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Title: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Baruch on November 28, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
Pouring more gasoline on the flames of nihilism ...

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/the-case-for-not-being-born
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on November 28, 2017, 07:59:44 PM
Interesting, but that ship's already sailed for most of us.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Baruch on November 28, 2017, 08:06:04 PM
A couple people here loudly proclaim that they are nihilists ... but don't know if that means they are anti-natalists.  It still matters to me, because my daughter is anti-natalist ... and while I am not, I share her pessimism.

I follow Nietzsche ... I agree with all three axioms in this paper:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2099162.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Gilgamesh on November 29, 2017, 04:46:07 PM
Anti-natalism is only logical. Look at how many children already exist in this world who need parents. Why create more.

It's just tons of people have this weird imperative to spawn their own children - to continue their own bloodline. I'm wondering if this imperative is biological and I'm just defunct, because almost everyone who I've talked to about this has it, while I never did.

Rather, I'm chiefly concerned with creating good, reasonable people - which I'm convinced has more to do with nurture than nature. The obsession with creating a person who looks like oneself makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Sal1981 on November 29, 2017, 04:52:53 PM
I liked the video in the bottom more, about Effective Altruism.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Baruch on November 29, 2017, 06:59:55 PM
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Anti-natalism is only logical. Look at how many children already exist in this world who need parents. Why create more.

It's just tons of people have this weird imperative to spawn their own children - to continue their own bloodline. I'm wondering if this imperative is biological and I'm just defunct, because almost everyone who I've talked to about this has it, while I never did.

Rather, I'm chiefly concerned with creating good, reasonable people - which I'm convinced has more to do with nurture than nature. The obsession with creating a person who looks like oneself makes no sense to me.

There are people who aren't supposed to have sex.  There are people who aren't supposed to marry.  There are people who aren't supposed to parent.  I am not sure myself where I fall.  But I didn't have a child to propagate a blood-line.  Most children happen because of lust of the adults, an unplanned side effect.  My wife and I planned it, as a controlled experiment.  Blood-lines are important for old money ... like European aristocracy.  Don't know any such people personally.  Being a good teacher is a good thing ... see the movie, Goodbye, Mr Chips.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Cavebear on December 23, 2017, 02:48:53 PM
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There are people who aren't supposed to have sex.  There are people who aren't supposed to marry.  There are people who aren't supposed to parent.  I am not sure myself where I fall.  But I didn't have a child to propagate a blood-line.  Most children happen because of lust of the adults, an unplanned side effect.  My wife and I planned it, as a controlled experiment.  Blood-lines are important for old money ... like European aristocracy.  Don't know any such people personally.  Being a good teacher is a good thing ... see the movie, Goodbye, Mr Chips.

Without making this a moral question, aren't 7.5 billion of us enough?
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2017, 01:19:50 AM
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Without making this a moral question, aren't 7.5 billion of us enough?

Generally speaking, yes.
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 06:33:56 AM
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Generally speaking, yes.

Good.  So let's have everyone stop screwing around for a few years...
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 09:01:54 AM
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Good.  So let's have everyone stop screwing around for a few years...

That would trigger all the randy college kids, so can't be done!
Title: Re: Anti-natalist?
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 10:51:46 AM
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That would trigger all the randy college kids, so can't be done!

Just shut down the hormones...  Marriage usually works.