Our campuses show we're practicing cultural genocide on ourselves (http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-our-campuses-show-were-committing-cultural-genocide-against-ourselves)
QuoteFiascoes like this raise the question of how this society allowed its education system to become steadily poorer the more money it stuffed into it. And how did we allow our centres of higher learning to degenerate into these theatres of the absurd where stupefying sums are squandered to enable questionably qualified people to teach largely irrelevant material in life-assured sinecures of six-hour work weeks with three months annual holidays, while thoughtful discussion is suppressed, all to produce masses of under-educated people largely unqualified to get or hold a serious job? Obviously, the answer is complicated, and some of it was touched upon a few weeks ago when I excerpted from the Ontario Secondary School Teachers’ Federation publication that the solution to deteriorating school testing results was to eliminate the tests.
Never been to a school, have you.
Let me guess. You're in favor of the discontinuance of education that promotes anything you don't like.
Damned I'm good!
As long as X, is politicized, it will turn to shit. So since education has long been politicized ... it turned to shit.
Of course maybe Left shit smells worse to you than Right shit, but that is just prejudice. All shit smells the same to me.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2017, 10:28:35 AM
All shit smells the same to me.
maybe you need to get out of your neihborhood more often. Cause the bathroom in a predominantly black neighborhood definitely smells different than the bathroom in a white boy or chinese neighborhood. Spices in => spices out ;-)
as far as D and R go: Its same product different brand
Universities are not the only thing that is absurd. Have you watched any TV made for 3 year olds lately? Its seems like since around 2000 the programming for kids less than 5 yrs old has been made by successive generations of mentally unstable or brain-dead people. You want to know why young people less than 20 are so messed up. Just review the TV that they grew up with
Quote from: fencerider on November 25, 2017, 12:49:29 PM
maybe you need to get out of your neihborhood more often. Cause the bathroom in a predominantly black neighborhood definitely smells different than the bathroom in a white boy or chinese neighborhood. Spices in => spices out ;-)
as far as D and R go: Its same product different brand
Universities are not the only thing that is absurd. Have you watched any TV made for 3 year olds lately? Its seems like since around 2000 the programming for kids less than 5 yrs old has been made by successive generations of mentally unstable or brain-dead people. You want to know why young people less than 20 are so messed up. Just review the TV that they grew up with
I blame Two Stupid Dogs and CatDog. I kind of liked CatDog.
Pr posts - theatres of the absurd.
You've been watching too much Fox News.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 25, 2017, 09:48:11 AM
Let me guess. You're in favor of the discontinuance of education that promotes anything you don't like.
Damned I'm good!
This is not education. It is propaganda and indoctrination. Dumbing down.
Not learning how to think but what to think.
Worse still, it is very expensive to become a dumb democrat voter.
"Not learning how to think but what to think. "
What's your excuse, then...
Quote from: Shiranu on November 26, 2017, 01:41:32 AM
"Not learning how to think but what to think. "
What's your excuse, then...
My excuse is that I missed out on the Marxist indoctrination. No big loss.
And I didn't have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege like you did.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 02:05:21 AM
My excuse is that I missed the Marxist indoctrination. No big loss.
I think I missed that class too. And I was pretty radical in college. Whatever thoughts I have, they are surely not Marxist.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 02:16:48 AM
I think I missed that class too. And I was pretty radical in college. Whatever thoughts I have, they are surely not Marxist.
I did not go to college at all. Left school education (communist) at the age of 12.
Attended the university of life. It proved more useful.
Had a good job (Computer technician) and a decent pension to follow.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 02:20:43 AM
I did not go to college at all. Left school education (communist) at the age of 12.
Attended the university of life. It proved more useful.
Had a good job (Computer technician) and a decent pension to follow.
Well, you probably missed learning about a wide and varied number of subjects. I learned "something" about A-Z (archeology to zoology) and a bit of everything in between.
And it isn't that it mattered to me in my career (though geometry helped and knowing how to analyze data advanced me). But it mattered to me as an individual mostly.
There is almost no subject I don't know enough about to discuss it with someone who knows more, and I learn from THAT too. I can give examples if you are interested.
QuoteIt proved more useful.
If you grew up to be a bigot, then it really didn't.
Yeah.
Bigot. Racist. Islamophobe. Nazi. Literally Hitler.
This is wearing thin by now. It has no meaning at all anymore.
The idea is to demean, ridicule, shame anyone who does not think like you. Shut them down.
The contempt is mutual.
Yes. Possibly. Yes. Never said that. Literally never said that.
QuoteThe idea is to demean, ridicule, shame anyone who does not think like you. Shut them down.
No, the idea is to demean, ridicule, shame anyone who thinks bigotry is acceptable behaviour in a civilized society. Shut them down.
Is it the best strategy? No. You are far more likely to win people over with honey than with vinegar, hence the reason the stanch, dyed-in-the-wool Republicans and conservatives I know at my university I generally happen to be friends with and engage in friendly debate with rather than mock like yourself.
But trying to change someone of your age and convictions mind is an effort in futility, so the best I can do is poke at you and let you defeat your own argument when you retaliate... which coincidentally, has apparently been working well. I doubt very many (if any) people have been convinced to think like me, but I have noticed a shift away from thinking like you... that people don't just accept the radical shit you say at face value like they did a year, two, three years ago. And I am fine with that; I think you make a lot of very good points, you just take the solution twenty steps too far, or are blinded by your bigotry into seeing boogiemen who don't exist.
So thank you for continuing this dance, even if it does get incredibly obnoxious and trite and at times I have to say I fear on the borderline of doing more harm than good. The strength of you defeating yourself more often than not has done far more for my cause than I could ever do myself.
And by the way, I don't have contempt for you. I can count the people I know by name (I'll stretch the idea of name to include aliases) whom I have contempt for on one hand and maybe a finger or two on the other. I only have contempt for your position and your ideology, which is toxic and destructive to the fundamental Western ideals of Equality, Fraternity, Liberty. But I do not know you as an individual enough to dislike you, and I don't share your narrow mindedness that I should dislike you because you are different than me, like you do towards me and my generation.
And with that, cue short quip where you harm your integrity and position even more and me continuing to poke at it until you do so again, ad naseum as usual, with an occasional way-to-long post on my part to spice things up a bit.
I remember when there were liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats, and you had some choices. And before routine gerrymandering...
Everyone misses the days of their youth, but I have that reason.
Shiranu, you are stalking my posts. Naughty boy. Get a life.
If your goal is to change my mind, then you are wasting your time.
But it does give you a good opportunity to virtue signal, and to claim the moral high ground on every occasion. Feels good, doesn't it?
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 05:36:16 AM
Shiranu, you are stalking my posts. Naughty boy. Get a life.
If your goal is to change my mind, then you are wasting your time.
But it does give you a good opportunity to virtue signal, and to claim the moral high ground on every occasion. Feels good, doesn't it?
Well *I* for one would never try to change your mind. That would be a massive assumption it IS changeable.
Cavebear wrote:QuoteWell *I* for one would never try to change your mind. That would be a massive assumption it IS changeable.
Not at my age. Besides, I hate Marxism.
It is destroying western civilization and culture since 1920.
Nearly achieved its goal.
For the left, it is the quest for power. The destruction of the civilization is a just collateral damage.
Have you noticed that the Dems are throwing the Clintons under the bus? They became a liability for the party.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 05:56:19 AM
Cavebear wrote:Not at my age. Besides, I hate Marxism.
It is destroying western civilization and culture since 1920.
Nearly achieved its goal.
For the left, it is the quest for power. The destruction of the civilization is a just collateral damage.
Have you noticed that the Dems are throwing the Clintons under the bus? They became a liability for the party.
I do wish you would reconsider your view that everyone Left-Of-Center is a Communist. I am sure no Communist, but I do think that social cooperation yields benefits.
No. I am watching Europe flushed down the toilet by the left.
Americans don’t know that because it is not reported in the media, and they don’t care anyway.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 06:33:23 AM
No. I am watching Europe flushed down the toilet by the left.
Americans don’t know that because it is not reported in the media, and they don’t care anyway.
A question then... How do you rate the US Right and Left vs the European Right and Left on a 10 scale with Nazis 1 and Soviet Leninists 10?
You forgot the visuals.
This many, PR:
(https://thetomatos.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/two-hands-clipart-9.jpg)
Left and right are just as bad as each other now, because these days both the most extreme form of those sides have the biggest mouths, and it gets tiring watching them become irrational and senseless. Its even more profound when those who aren't quite that insane but float near the surface agree with their insanity because 'they're on their side of the argument', meaning they value their political stature more then common sense.
Marxism and Fascism exist, and often the side who champions one will deny they do or claim it isn't a bad thing when both are equally awful.
This is why its better to try and figure out a middle ground between liberal and conservative, otherwise fall into the pit on either end.
I've studied history since 1965, and today isn't that different from the antebellum Congress or the supposed isolationism of 1941. The internet makes them louder, but no more relevant.
There is an alarming trend where people are speaking out about something they don't know anything about with a confident authority. I can't tell if this is a new thing, or just something that's bubbled up from under the surface with recent events.
It scares the shit out of me. Just cooperate with the police and you won't get shot! Universities are liberal hotbeds! Women get as much respect as men in the workplace! I see all of that with my own two eyes!
Quote from: Mermaid on November 26, 2017, 07:59:10 AM
There is an alarming trend where people are speaking out about something they don't know anything about with a confident authority. I can't tell if this is a new thing, or just something that's bubbled up from under the surface with recent events.
It scares the shit out of me. Just cooperate with the police and you won't get shot! Universities are liberal hotbeds! Women get as much respect as men in the workplace! I see all of that with my own two eyes!
Dunning-Kruger Effect. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%22Kruger_effect)
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 05:56:19 AM
Cavebear wrote:Not at my age. Besides, I hate Marxism.
It is destroying western civilization and culture since 1920.
Nearly achieved its goal.
For the left, it is the quest for power. The destruction of the civilization is a just collateral damage.
Have you noticed that the Dems are throwing the Clintons under the bus? They became a liability for the party.
The Clintons are still driving the bus, don't get ahead of yourself. You sound like a Democrat who thinks that Trump was impeached yesterday, already. The Left = "those who reject the status quo". Shiranu for instance. They will always be with us, and will mostly be destructive. There are times when you need new tires on your car, but not every day, and not while it is going down the highway. Every generation or so though, we need new blood - Dracula.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 06:33:23 AM
No. I am watching Europe flushed down the toilet by the left.
Americans don’t know that because it is not reported in the media, and they don’t care anyway.
America or Europe goes thru waves of dissatisfaction with the status quo. We aren't exactly coordinated, just sort of (thanks George Soros). Some of your hard working immigrants want to take advantage of an opportunity for prosperity (poor people like that shit). Other immigrants want to take criminal advantage of an opportune chaos (Islam would have made no advance against Rome in its heyday).
Americans are happy? Not at all, worst since the 1960s (and a prior peak prosperity). If we are complacent, it is because we had our recession first, it is just now coming to Canada/Australia/NZ (real estate bubble from Chinese money). The other Anglo-phones were snide in 2008/2009 with the US. Don't throw stones in a glass house! And the UK? Brexit, if it happens, is no free lunch. I don't think it will happen, you are Germany's bitch now.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 05:28:50 AM
I remember when there were liberal Republicans, conservative Democrats, and you had some choices. And before routine gerrymandering...
Everyone misses the days of their youth, but I have that reason.
Same here! But actually this is the best of times, the worst of times. Avoid France, 1792!
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 06:21:45 AM
I do wish you would reconsider your view that everyone Left-Of-Center is a Communist. I am sure no Communist, but I do think that social cooperation yields benefits.
Cooperation only happens between like-minds of good-will. We are short of supply these days. I don't mind cooperating with Russians, do you?
Quote from: Mermaid on November 26, 2017, 07:59:10 AM
There is an alarming trend where people are speaking out about something they don't know anything about with a confident authority. I can't tell if this is a new thing, or just something that's bubbled up from under the surface with recent events.
It scares the shit out of me. Just cooperate with the police and you won't get shot! Universities are liberal hotbeds! Women get as much respect as men in the workplace! I see all of that with my own two eyes!
Continue to believe me, and deny your lying eyes! (sarc). Sorry, at work, nobody gets any respect. Women just thought, 50 years ago, when they resumed working outside the home, that they would get Father Knows Best treatment. Sorry, work is a jungle, and you need to keep your claws sharp. And nobody has sharper claws than a woman in the work place.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 02:16:48 AM
I think I missed that class too. And I was pretty radical in college. Whatever thoughts I have, they are surely not Marxist.
Groovy dude! I remember in early grade school, when unbuttoning both top buttons of your button-down shirt was a radical statement! And no, it was disallowed. As a concession they let us boys unbutton the top button. So what were you radical on? Toga, toga, toga?
I wasn't a humanities major, so I missed out on Marxism. I read up on that on my own. What little humanities courses I had, we had Plato's Republic drilled into us. And it still is in there. The rulers are the only people who need to lie or be allowed to - to paraphrase Plato.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 02:39:29 AM
Well, you probably missed learning about a wide and varied number of subjects. I learned "something" about A-Z (archeology to zoology) and a bit of everything in between.
And it isn't that it mattered to me in my career (though geometry helped and knowing how to analyze data advanced me). But it mattered to me as an individual mostly.
There is almost no subject I don't know enough about to discuss it with someone who knows more, and I learn from THAT too. I can give examples if you are interested.
Pr126 is self taught like my dad. I have lots of schooling, and always read widely on my own. Lived at the library. So lots of different subjects to enjoy. My formal education was mostly technical of course. Here is a conundrum .. if a university is about the universe, how come it isn't limited to astronomy? ;-)
yeah I never did get why they call it a university.
Quote from: Munch on November 26, 2017, 10:29:53 AM
yeah I never did get why they call it a university.
A university offers a wide range of subjects. This makes it different from a "college" that concentrates on a limited number of subjects.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 26, 2017, 10:42:06 AM
A university offers a wide range of subjects. This makes it different from a "college" that concentrates on a limited number of subjects.
Farther back .. a college is a formal study hall for university, that you join as a member. You are a member of a college, and the college is a part of the university. Of course back then, you became a junior cleric under minimum vows ... to study theology, law and medicine. "clark" is British for "cleric". At the University of Paris for example, colleges were grouped based on native language of the students, since instruction was in Latin. Since modernity, the university system has gone to pot ... many US colleges were under clerical control as recently as 100 years ago. Chapel attendance for students on Sunday was mandatory. Most 18 year olds, couldn't pass the entrance exam that existed 120 years ago. Standards have dropped until by the 1960s (thanks to veteran students who didn't fit the profile) that in-loco-parentis was functionally abolished, and campuses became free-for-alls.
Quote from: Baruch on November 26, 2017, 09:28:02 AM
Sorry, at work, nobody gets any respect. Women just thought, 50 years ago, when they resumed working outside the home, that they would get Father Knows Best treatment. Sorry, work is a jungle, and you need to keep your claws sharp. And nobody has sharper claws than a woman in the work place.
I rest my case.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 26, 2017, 08:52:38 AM
Dunning-Kruger Effect. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%22Kruger_effect)
Thank you for pointing this out. It helps to be able to put a name and definition to it.
Quote from: Mermaid on November 26, 2017, 11:43:31 AM
I rest my case.
Yes, men and women are just alike .. not. Yes, people are individuals, except when it is an advantage to flag wave one's group. I work with women a lot, for over 20 years now. My closest friend of all time was a female coworker ... and my closest current work friend is the same kind. They are fine people, same as the men. Any person, of any type, can be a pain in the ass of course. An all male office would be dull, I have worked in those before (engineering and software). On the other hand, the additional excitement that women bring to the work place is over-rated ;-) I find that given hobby-horse X, one can find reasons not to employ women, or not employ men. It is a matter of cherry-picking ... and prejudice. I see prejudice as stupidity, it prevents you from hiring the best, and prevents you from firing the worst.
Quote from: Baruch on November 26, 2017, 11:57:08 AM
Yes, men and women are just alike .. not.
Nobody said that.
Quote from: pr126 on November 26, 2017, 05:36:16 AM
Shiranu, you are stalking my posts. Naughty boy. Get a life.
If your goal is to change my mind, then you are wasting your time.
But it does give you a good opportunity to virtue signal, and to claim the moral high ground on every occasion. Feels good, doesn't it?
Can't really stalk something that cis being posted on a public forum.
Also not sure how many times I have to specifically say I'm not trying to change you before it seeps into what's left of your rotted brain that I have no interest in trying to change you...
Quote from: Shiranu on November 26, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
Can't really stalk something that cis being posted on a public forum.
Also not sure how many times I have to specifically say I'm not trying to change you before it seeps into what's left of your rotted brain that I have no interest in trying to change you...
Was that intentional, I just wondered.
Quote from: Munch on November 26, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
Was that intentional, I just wondered.
Actually, swyped that on accident on my phone and noticed it and thought it was kinda funny so I left it. Semi-intentional, I guess.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 26, 2017, 01:44:09 PM
Actually, swyped that on accident on my phone and noticed it and thought it was kinda funny so I left it. Semi-intentional, I guess.
Yeah, I suspect pr126 is Cis, not Trans ;-)