There are allegations that Alabama wingnut Roy Moore -- who will be remembered as the state judge who was twice removed from office, first for refusing to follow a court order to remove a two and a half ton ten commandments monument from the court house and after being re-elected to the same court, thrown out again for telling state probate court judges to ignore Obergefell and not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples -- has a history of being a sexual predator (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.63cd1aa594f3).
All I will say is that I won't be surprised if they prove true.
GOP senators are telling him to get out of the race -- of course, he won't. His competitor for the Republican nomination, Luther Strange, is being courted to mount a write-in campaign.
I will laugh so hard if this causes Alabama to elect a Democrat to the Senate next month (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama,_2017).
Quote from: trdsf on November 09, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
There are allegations that Alabama wingnut Roy Moore -- who will be remembered as the state judge who was twice removed from office, first for refusing to follow a court order to remove a two and a half ton ten commandments monument from the court house and after being re-elected to the same court, thrown out again for telling state probate court judges to ignore Obergefell and not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples -- has a history of being a sexual predator (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.63cd1aa594f3).
All I will say is that I won't be surprised if they prove true.
GOP senators are telling him to get out of the race -- of course, he won't. His competitor for the Republican nomination, Luther Strange, is being courted to mount a write-in campaign.
I will laugh so hard if this causes Alabama to elect a Democrat to the Senate next month (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama,_2017).
Who knows. But if he did, proves my point that dirty old men prefer 14 year old tricks ... rape or child bride or prostitute.
I guess that's why so many of them vacation in southeast Asia...
GOP official says he’d vote for Moore even if allegations are true (http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/359749-gop-official-says-hed-vote-for-moore-even-if-allegations-are-true)
QuoteAfter a long pause, Alabama Bibb County Republican chairman Jerry Pow tells me he'd vote for Roy Moore even if Moore did commit a sex crime against a girl.
"I would vote for Judge Moore because I wouldn't want to vote for Doug," he says. "I'm not saying I support what he did."
"Statutory rapist or Democrat? Meh, I'll go with the rapist." Gotta love the Family Values party. They might not have principles or scruples, but man do they have party loyalty out the wazoo.
QuoteI think it is a typical Democratic â€" Democrat â€" ploy to discredit Judge Moore, a sincere, honest, trustworthy individual,†Skipper said. "These allegations that surfaced today â€" to my knowledge, they're all bunk. No credibility whatsoever.â€
QuoteMoore denied the allegations, calling them "fake news" and a baseless attack on him by The Washington Post.
Fake news. Bigly. Yuge. If mimicking a national embarrassment with a 37% approval rating isn't a surefire way to get back in the public's good graces, I dunno what is.
Okay, there's party loyalty and then there's just straight up defending pedophilia (http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/359792-alabama-state-rep-roy-moores-accusers-should-be-prosecuted). That's a whole new layer of fucked up. It's like peeling an onion...
QuoteAn Alabama GOP state representative said Friday that he thinks legal action should be taken against the women who accused Roy Moore of sexual misconduct with a minor.
And charge them with what, exactly?
QuoteState Rep. Ed Henry told The Cullman Times that he is “not buying†the Washington Post report, which was published with accounts from four women and backed up by 30 sources.
Umm...why? Because the accused has an R next to his name? Cause I guarantee you that he'd be singing a different tune if a Democrat were accused.
Quote“If they believe this man is predatory, they are guilty of allowing him to exist for 40 years,†Henry said. “I think someone should prosecute and go after them. You can’t be a victim 40 years later, in my opinion.â€
That's one hell of a legal defense, don't you think?
Moore: "Your honor, I plead not guilty on the grounds that my accuser didn't immediately report the alleged crime"
Judge: "She was 14 at the time!"
Moore: "Yeah, and really bad at sex. I had to do all the work. So, am I being detained...?"
Judge: "Nah, you're free to go."
And apparently, some of Moore's supporters said something like this---Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter.
Theists and morality--ha, theists don't have any. They will say and do whatever they like and find a way to make it fit their religion.
The basics are that Roy Moore molested a 14 yer old girl who reported it to her mother and friends.
This is not proven, but likely by supporting discussions among family and friends that they recall at the time.
This is sufficient to suggest Moore withdraw as a candidate.
But Moore should not be considered a viable candidate for other reasons.
Moore is an anti birther against Obama. He was twice removed from office for installing religious artifacts in a State Courthouse and then later for ordering local officials to ignore a US Supreme court ruling about registering homosexuals to marry.
He considers State laws superior to the US Constitution and the Christian bible above all State laws. He thinks some States are following Islamic sharia law, but can't give a single example.
I ALMOST want him to be elected Senator to prove how crazy some Republicans/Extreme Conservatives are.
i am looking forward to every political candidate being accused of sexual impropriety ... in an environment of guilty until proven innocent. This should end politics in the US ... which means only guns are left ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 02:11:48 AM
i am looking forward to every political candidate being accused of sexual impropriety ... in an environment of guilty until proven innocent. This should end politics in the US ... which means only guns are left ;-(
There are 3 aspects to the accusation.
First, I have to agree with the "if true then he should withdraw" defense. A claim is not proof. There HAVE been false claims of improprieties. Moore denies the claim. He might be innocent
But second, as Mitt Romney said "
Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside." He probably should withdraw until the claims are investigated. He can run for office in the future.
Third, his election as Senator would keep his status in doubt. The Senate would have to vote to seat him, and that would be hard on his party.
Moore has a long history of utter idiocy. As a crazed theist, he has been on the top of my list of utterly despised individuals for decades.
He thinks that State Law supersedes Federal (Constitutional) law, and that Christian beliefs supersede both. If he were Moslem, he would support Sharia Law.
He was removed from office twice BY ALABAMANS for ignoring the law.
i am not a fan of Moore or any other politician. I don't believe in George Washington or Lincoln anymore. I have grow up, and like the Ancient Mariner, have woken wiser and sadder.
But people, who don't know anything, other than the bull in the news, think they know he is guilty or innocent? Salem witch trials that. Americans never change.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:50:42 AM
i am not a fan of Moore or any other politician. I don't believe in George Washington or Lincoln anymore. I have grow up, and like the Ancient Mariner, have woken wiser and sadder.
But people, who don't know anything, other than the bull in the news, think they know he is guilty or innocent? Salem witch trials that. Americans never change.
Easy question: Should Roy Moore withdraw from the Senate election?
Mitt Romney had the right answer. He said
“Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections,†Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and 2012 GOP presidential nominee, tweeted. “I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
Easy question: Should Roy Moore withdraw from the Senate election?
Mitt Romney had the right answer. He said “Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections,†Romney, a former Massachusetts governor and 2012 GOP presidential nominee, tweeted. “I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside.
Every candidate should withdraw from every election. It was a bad idea in Athens, and still is. Romney is a shit head. Why quote him? Why not Eve Braun on how big Hitler is in bed? Romney BTW was guilty as hell ... his own words, taped by the hired help. And grandfather of the ACA. Just nuke Boston already.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
Every candidate should withdraw from every election. It was a bad idea in Athens, and still is. Romney is a shit head. Why quote him? Why not Eve Braun on how big Hitler is in bed? Romney BTW was guilty as hell ... his own words, taped by the hired help. And grandfather of the ACA. Just nuke Boston already.
Most candidates are honorable (to the extent a politician can be).
Romney is a shit head, but he NAILED Moore. No sex implied.
Records suggest Hitler had "small hands". *coff coff*
Romney is a Dem hero for RomneyCare...
If you nuked Boston harbor, would annyone notice"? Other than the mud on the Commons of course... (pay the man, Shirley)
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
Most candidates are honorable (to the extent a politician can be).
Romney is a shit head, but he NAILED Moore. No sex implied.
Records suggest Hitler had "small hands". *coff coff*
Romney is a Dem hero for RomneyCare...
If you nuked Boston harbor, would annyone notice"? Other than the mud on the Commons of course... (pay the man, Shirley)
Hitler said that Churchill was a gangster. There is a photo with Churchill and a tommy gun ;-) Something he and Stalin agreed on. So we should support Hitler? Or Stalin?
RomneyCare is proof that no Republican can be trusted, not to be a Democrat. Same with Bill Clinton, the arch-Republican.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:32:22 PM
Hitler said that Churchill was a gangster. There is a photo with Churchill and a tommy gun ;-) Something he and Stalin agreed on. So we should support Hitler? Or Stalin?
RomneyCare is proof that no Republican can be trusted, not to be a Democrat. Same with Bill Clinton, the arch-Republican.
Hitler and Stalin were pre-Tumps with authority and armies... I would even bet both referred to "fake news".
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
Hitler and Stalin were pre-Tumps with authority and armies... I would even bet both referred to "fake news".
Propaganda starts with the Catholic Church. Then along came the early mobile printing press and fake news was born in the Protestant movement.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:13:52 PMRomney is a Dem hero for RomneyCare...
I dunno if I'd go that far, but the non-crazy Republicans have been a decent source of copyable policies for centrist Dems. I mean, what are the Republicans going to do, attack their own policies?
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 11, 2017, 04:30:41 PM
I dunno if I'd go that far, but the non-crazy Republicans have been a decent source of copyable policies for centrist Dems. I mean, what are the Republicans going to do, attack their own policies?
Judging by the Republican reaction to the ACA... yes. They are going to attack their own policies.
The plot, she thickens.
Senator Yertle... er, McConnell is now calling for Moore to stand aside (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41973952). And as I predicted earlier in this thread, Moore refuses to. So far, anyway. He's going the Asshole route by ragetweeting against everyone and everything that opposes him instead.
Quote from: trdsf on November 13, 2017, 01:39:58 PM
The plot, she thickens.
Senator Yertle... er, McConnell is now calling for Moore to stand aside (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41973952). And as I predicted earlier in this thread, Moore refuses to. So far, anyway. He's going the Asshole route by ragetweeting against everyone and everything that opposes him instead.
Which of course, only makes things worse for Moore. *grabs a bag of popcorn*
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 12:55:08 AM
Judging by the Republican reaction to the ACA... yes. They are going to attack their own policies.
You can fool all the people, all the time ... and it is bipartisan.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 13, 2017, 02:43:18 PM
Which of course, only makes things worse for Moore. *grabs a bag of popcorn*
Well, the only group that's unshakeably for him is his evangelical base. Mainstream Republicans -- even Alabama mainstream Republicans -- find him problematic for them at
best.
It's telling that Moore is only averaging a couple points ahead of Jones in a state where Democrats rarely break the 40% margin. One poll by the Republican group JMC Analytics taken just as the news was breaking shows Jones ahead and Moore in deeper trouble than it appears (http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Alabama-Senate-Executive-Summary-General-Election-Poll-2.pdf).
My own most disturbing takeaway from that poll is that 29% of respondents say the allegations make them
more likely to vote for Moore, rather than less. Among self-identified evangelicals, that number rises to 37%. Yup, allegations of being a child molester make around 1/3 of the Alabama electorate
more likely to vote for the molester.
Dear Alabama: Please secede. We'll even hold the door for you.
Quote from: trdsf on November 14, 2017, 10:37:17 AM
Dear Alabama: Please secede. We'll even hold the door for you.
Secede hell!! Give it Mexico!!
Quote from: trdsf on November 14, 2017, 10:37:17 AMMy own most disturbing takeaway from that poll is that 29% of respondents say the allegations make them more likely to vote for Moore, rather than less. Among self-identified evangelicals, that number rises to 37%. Yup, allegations of being a child molester make around 1/3 of the Alabama electorate more likely to vote for the molester.
Yeah. And they'll explain exactly what they think the role of women should be in society: taken young and henceforth dominated by their husbands. Mere sexual assault seems pretty mild in comparison.
Quote from: articleBut there’s a group of Moore’s allies for whom the basic idea of an unmarried older man “courting†a teenage girl is not anathema at allâ€"fundamentalist home-schoolers. Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson, who endorsed Moore in the contested Republican primary and has spoken at his rallies, told an audience in 2009 that girls should marry when they’re “about 15 or 16.†Moore has appeared several times on a radio show hosted by Kevin Swanson, an ultra-conservative Colorado pastor who defended Robertson's notion that girls should marrying at 15 because it helps them avoid sexual sin.
Moore has an even deeper relationship with Doug Phillips, a disgraced leader in the “Biblical patriarchy†movement. Phillips was president of Vision Forum, a Texas-based organization devoted to the “restoration of the Christian household.†In Phillips’ world, men ought to be self-sufficient by the time they marry, but women live under their father’s authority until they marry. Ideally, in fact, a woman would live under her father’s literal roof until her wedding day. Phillips promoted the concept of “stay-at-home daughters,†in which girls live at home until they marry, often forgoing formal education and focusing on homemaking skills. Independence is essentially a flaw in a Christian wife, who, Phillips taught, should be willing to call her husband “Lord.â€
The family "values" party
Quote from: trdsf on November 13, 2017, 01:39:58 PM
He's going the Asshole route by ragetweeting against everyone and everything that opposes him instead.
He has a perfect example of it "working" in the white house.
Moore's attempt to worm his way out of this is that not only did he never do anything improper with her, he doesn't even know who she is (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/moore-denies-knowing-fifth-accuser-despite-signed-yearbook.html). Despite signing her yearbook. Not the smartest tool in the shed.
Reminds me of That 70s Show when Kelso brags about having sex, is told that she's pregnant, then immediately pretends to not know her.
(https://37.media.tumblr.com/80c0b36add88bc2f8bc952946fa352bd/tumblr_mwqi9rDo881snreilo7_400.gif)
So far, only Rand Paul is standing by his endorsement (for now); every other Senator who endorsed Moore has retracted it. Even so, it looks like the GOP may find themselves forced to help elect Moore just so they can expel him and let the (Republican) governor appoint another temporary Senator (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/new-gop-plan-elect-moore-so-that-he-can-be-expelled.html).
We're going to need more popcorn.
Quote from: trdsf on November 14, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
So far, only Rand Paul is standing by his endorsement (for now); every other Senator who endorsed Moore has retracted it. Even so, it looks like the GOP may find themselves forced to help elect Moore just so they can expel him and let the (Republican) governor appoint another temporary Senator (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/new-gop-plan-elect-moore-so-that-he-can-be-expelled.html).
We're going to need more popcorn.
You are being distracted so you won't pay attention to the tax reform bill.
Meanwhile in other recent events .. FDR and Eleanor cheat on each other, and Eleanor is lesbian. Therefore they are unqualified to serve our fine Puritan nation.
Quote from: trdsf on November 13, 2017, 01:39:58 PM
The plot, she thickens.
Senator Yertle... er, McConnell is now calling for Moore to stand aside (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41973952). And as I predicted earlier in this thread, Moore refuses to. So far, anyway. He's going the Asshole route by ragetweeting against everyone and everything that opposes him instead.
Yertle, OMC! that is perfect. He IS known as "the Turtle", by temperment and appearance, but I never thought of Yertle...
And if Yertle says he believes the women, that is pretty much the opinion of the entire Senate Republicans because otherwise he would never have said it.
Quote from: aitm on November 14, 2017, 01:19:40 PM
He has a perfect example of it "working" in the white house.
I would support any President, who wanted to start genocide in the Rose Garden (at the WH). But he still wouldn't be working, just telling others to do it.
Two more accusers (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html).
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DkKmSPewJ4I/UdmgZ_Yk6kI/AAAAAAAAAjs/K3Wg6yTvW3U/s1600/I+am+Shocked+Shocked.JPG)
Quote from: trdsf on November 16, 2017, 12:14:42 PM
Two more accusers (http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/new_roy_moore_accuser_he_didnt.html).
Damn. No way this is going to work out for him now. He might as well drop out at this point.
Sen Franken - D ... accused of groping. Read all about it (Google it).
All the politicians are going down. "Mr Smith Goes To Washington" was a fantasy ... in that Jimmy Stewart played a good guy. The opponents of this character ... those were for real though.
Your MK Ultra induced puritan hysteria, and anti-Russia hysteria are just how the public is being used to support warring factions in the Deep State.
And it is international, there is a new narrative on the Vegas shooter, that would curl your hair, if you didn't pull it out first. Ever hear of the scifi movie where aliens are causing people to commit suicide, to depopulate the planet? Well that will happen, when people find out that they have been lied to comprehensively ... for the last 60 years.
Heard a great new phrase today "weaponized sanctimony"
Quote from: Cavebear on November 15, 2017, 02:59:09 AM
Yertle, OMC! that is perfect. He IS known as "the Turtle", by temperment and appearance, but I never thought of Yertle...
I used to hear Jim Ward call him that (and do impressions), on Stephanie Miller's program. Haven't thought about it for a while, though.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 16, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Damn. No way this is going to work out for him now. He might as well drop out at this point.
He might as well... but he won't. After all, he's got to go to Washington to do his god's work! Who's apparently too lazy to get off his ass and do it himself.
Yeah, for an all-powerful God he sure seems to need the help of puny humans a lot to get his plan accomplished.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 16, 2017, 01:40:27 PM
I used to hear Jim Ward call him that (and do impressions), on Stephanie Miller's program. Haven't thought about it for a while, though.
I don't remember where I heard it first used, but it's definitely appropriate.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 16, 2017, 03:24:23 PM
Yeah, for an all-powerful God he sure seems to need the help of puny humans a lot to get his plan accomplished.
That is exactly the idea. G-d is potentiality, actuality comes thru us. Including the planning. Plan evil, get evil. Plan good, get good. Choose wisely.
Quote from: trdsf on November 16, 2017, 03:29:32 PM
I don't remember where I heard it first used, but it's definitely appropriate.
There is a liberal political cartoon on DailyKos ... all the characters are animals, including him.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 16, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
Damn. No way this is going to work out for him now. He might as well drop out at this point.
Ha! You really don't know the people of Alabama, do you!
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 17, 2017, 10:24:23 AM
Ha! You really don't know the people of Alabama, do you!
You might be surprised. The latest Faux News poll can't even manufacture a lead for Moore -- they show Jones leads 50-42 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/16/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-poll-245558). That's outside the margin of error. Two percent say they'll vote for another candidate than these two, so
if these numbers stay static, there aren't enough undecideds out there for Moore to catch up.
Quote from: trdsf on November 17, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
You might be surprised. The latest Faux News poll can't even manufacture a lead for Moore -- they show Jones leads 50-42 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/16/roy-moore-doug-jones-alabama-poll-245558). That's outside the margin of error. Two percent say they'll vote for another candidate than these two, so if these numbers stay static, there aren't enough undecideds out there for Moore to catch up.
I can only hope and pray you are correct! :braceface:
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 17, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
I can only hope and pray you are correct! :braceface:
I'll accept the 'hope' part, anyway. :biggrin2:
Quote from: trdsf on November 17, 2017, 03:08:41 PM
I'll accept the 'hope' part, anyway. :biggrin2:
I was referring to the Alabama part of your comment. That's about all they do there is pray--thinking is not recommended nor encouraged.
Quote from: trdsf on November 17, 2017, 03:08:41 PM
I'll accept the 'hope' part, anyway. :biggrin2:
Agree with the "hope" part.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 17, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
I was referring to the Alabama part of your comment. That's about all they do there is pray--thinking is not recommended nor encouraged.
I agree that "thinking" doesn't seem to be a basic part of the Alabama culture. And ANY form of forced sexual action is wrong.
But I think there are some false equivalencies going on. Bill Clinton engaged in an extra-marital affair with a consenting adult woman. That was wrong, but a concern between he and his wife. Al Franken forcible kissed a women and pretended to grab her breasts later in a bad joke. Both those events were wrong.
But Donald Trump bragged about groping many women "because he could get away with it" and used his position in pageants to intrude on teens dressing for the events. Roy Moore assaulted a 14 year old girl and stalked teen girls in malls to find vulnerable assaultable ones, and used his position as District Attorney to bully them into staying quiet.
None of these events and more to come I am sure were justifiable. But there are differences in degree.
And Al Franken apologized immediately and completely. Roy Moore and Trump deny it all in numerous situations and threaten to sue the women who make accusations.
There is SOME difference.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 12:06:11 AM
I agree that "thinking" doesn't seem to be a basic part of the Alabama culture. And ANY form of forced sexual action is wrong.
But I think there are some false equivalencies going on. Bill Clinton engaged in an extra-marital affair with a consenting adult woman. That was wrong, but a concern between he and his wife. Al Franken forcible kissed a women and pretended to grab her breasts later in a bad joke. Both those events were wrong.
But Donald Trump bragged about groping many women "because he could get away with it" and used his position in pageants to intrude on teens dressing for the events. Roy Moore assaulted a 14 year old girl and stalked teen girls in malls to find vulnerable assaultable ones, and used his position as District Attorney to bully them into staying quiet.
None of these events and more to come I am sure were justifiable. But there are differences in degree.
And Al Franken apologized immediately and completely. Roy Moore and Trump deny it all in numerous situations and threaten to sue the women who make accusations.
There is SOME difference.
I happen to agree. Some people have never been gentlemen. Some didn't start as gentlemen but became that later. But Americans since Salem witch trials, are all sex mania, all the time.
Quote from: Baruch on November 18, 2017, 02:36:31 AM
I happen to agree. Some people have never been gentlemen. Some didn't start as gentlemen but became that later. But Americans since Salem witch trials, are all sex mania, all the time.
Not even most. But some are too many.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 02:38:55 AM
Not even most. But some are too many.
But no need for feed the "death to all men" feminist agenda either. Just because men aren't the best, is no reason to listen to psycho-bitches with an axe to grind (I don't mean accusers).
Quote from: Baruch on November 18, 2017, 02:41:43 AM
But no need for feed the "death to all men" feminist agenda either. Just because men aren't the best, is no reason to listen to psycho-bitches with an axe to grind (I don't mean accusers).
I will not discuss "psycho-bitches" vs male sexual predators.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 02:45:33 AM
I will not discuss "psycho-bitches" vs male sexual predators.
There are female sexual predators too. If you prefer X over Y ... that is just human, and prejudice.
There is a perpetual problem for females accusing males, even the next morning. Double standard for them (she asked for it?).
But I would say a man claiming he ass sexually predated on (by a woman or a gay man) will not be believed either.
Quote from: Baruch on November 18, 2017, 02:52:08 AM
There are female sexual predators too. If you prefer X over Y ... that is just human, and prejudice.
There is a perpetual problem for females accusing males, even the next morning. Double standard for them (she asked for it?).
But I would say a man claiming he ass sexually predated on (by a woman or a gay man) will not be believed either.
EOL
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 12:06:11 AM
And Al Franken apologized immediately and completely. Roy Moore and Trump deny it all in numerous situations and threaten to sue the women who make accusations.
I might add that in 2006 when that picture was taken, Franken was a comedian and radio host. Not, so far as I know, even a
potential future candidate at that time, much less actually running to be a Senator.
Also, NOT 14.
Quote from: trdsf on November 20, 2017, 02:46:13 PM
I might add that in 2006 when that picture was taken, Franken was a comedian and radio host. Not, so far as I know, even a potential future candidate at that time, much less actually running to be a Senator.
Also, NOT 14.
Don't worry, when feminists are done, all men will be castrated ;-(
Quote from: trdsf on November 20, 2017, 02:46:13 PM
I might add that in 2006 when that picture was taken, Franken was a comedian and radio host. Not, so far as I know, even a potential future candidate at that time, much less actually running to be a Senator.
Also, NOT 14.
Let's keep in mind that the photo was a joke. A BAD joke to be sure. And a forced tongue kiss (yuck) was bad and deserving of condemnation.
There are bad things and worse things. Franken is on the mild end of bad things compared to others.
Oh, here's an interesting tidbit I missed -- Alabama's other senator, Richard Shelby, says he's writing in the name of some other (unnamed) Repub in the special election next month (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-15/the-latest-shelby-will-write-in-someone-other-than-moore).
He also says he's "worried about damage to the Republican brand."
I'll just leave that there. I'll be over in this corner here giggling.
Quote from: trdsf on November 27, 2017, 01:42:30 PMHe also says he's "worried about damage to the Republican brand."
Normally, I'd say that ship has sailed. But in this case, that ship has sailed around the world, mutinied, scuttled at an island, interbred with the natives, nearly got wiped out by a mysterious syphilis outbreak, repopulated, and the descendants fashioned another ship and promptly sailed it right into a typhoon.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 27, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Normally, I'd say that ship has sailed. But in this case, that ship has sailed around the world, mutinied, scuttled at an island, interbred with the natives, nearly got wiped out by a mysterious syphilis outbreak, repopulated, and the descendants fashioned another ship and promptly sailed it right into a typhoon.
Mutiny on the PNAC ... argh, matey!
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 27, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Normally, I'd say that ship has sailed. But in this case, that ship has sailed around the world, mutinied, scuttled at an island, interbred with the natives, nearly got wiped out by a mysterious syphilis outbreak, repopulated, and the descendants fashioned another ship and promptly sailed it right into a typhoon.
And yet they are running this country. And I don't have that much faith that it will change much in 2018.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 27, 2017, 09:23:12 PM
And yet they are running this country. And I don't have that much faith that it will change much in 2018.
If voting mattered, they would make it illegal ;-) We have rulers, not leaders (same as the other crown colonies).
According to polls (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-roy-moore-back-in-front-time-and-trump-are-probably-helping/), Moore's recovering. The effect of the scandal is diminishing over time (though it seems strange that being a pedo is something the public will only hold against you for a short time) and Trump's quasi-endorsement is putting the idjit vote on lock.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 29, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
According to polls (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-roy-moore-back-in-front-time-and-trump-are-probably-helping/), Moore's recovering. The effect of the scandal is diminishing over time (though it seems strange that being a pedo is something the public will only hold against you for a short time) and Trump's quasi-endorsement is putting the idjit vote on lock.
Used to be in the South, you married cousins, and married young (well the girl was young, the man older). That is probably the culture Mr Moore comes from. Not my culture ...
Is anyone here assuming that most Americans think like San Francisco freaks? Not that there is anything wrong with San Francisco, or freaks, but they aren't exactly the common man.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 27, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Normally, I'd say that ship has sailed. But in this case, that ship has sailed around the world, mutinied, scuttled at an island, interbred with the natives, nearly got wiped out by a mysterious syphilis outbreak, repopulated, and the descendants fashioned another ship and promptly sailed it right into a typhoon.
Not to be too picky, but if the sailors interbred with the natives, they probably had very healthy children. Genetics works that way. Otherwise, Right On!
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 29, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
According to polls (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-is-roy-moore-back-in-front-time-and-trump-are-probably-helping/), Moore's recovering. The effect of the scandal is diminishing over time (though it seems strange that being a pedo is something the public will only hold against you for a short time) and Trump's quasi-endorsement is putting the idjit vote on lock.
It's going to come down, ultimately, to who's more motivated to get to the polls: the deplorables, or those who want Alabama to not be represented by a child molester.
It's chilling to think that the way America looks at Alabama is the way the rest of the world looks at America. Didn't we used to have our shit together, at least most of the time? This has to be what it felt like to be living in Rome when they noticed the Visigoths on the horizon.
Mo(o)re fun... Ol' Roy just said the last time America was "great" was when we had slavery (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/roy-moore-america-was-great-during-slavery/ar-BBGnmaH?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout):
QuoteAt a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were unitedâ€"even though we had slaveryâ€"they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction." The individual who asked the question was among the only African-Americans in attendance at the rally. In stating this, Moore seemingly implied he'd be able to overlook the enslavement of other human beings as long as families are "united," an interesting perspective from a man accused of repeatedly preying on young girls.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2017, 03:20:09 AM
Not to be too picky, but if the sailors interbred with the natives, they probably had very healthy children. Genetics works that way. Otherwise, Right On!
The syphilis line is a sailor/STD joke. But otherwise, you are correct.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 08, 2017, 09:04:11 PM
The syphilis line is a sailor/STD joke. But otherwise, you are correct.
One of the "benefits" of international trade is that diseases get spread around though many means. The survivors don't have to worry about the new disease so much. Every isolated group gets used to some disease vector and survives. It balances out.
I'm feeling too lazy to look up who gave who which disease, but I understand that everyone had some to spread to newcomers, LOL!.
And research suggests that my apparent resistance to influenza has something to do with my ancestors surviving the Plague in Europe... You suffer something, you gain something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZdbTxgRmjs
As if the pedo allegations weren't enough, the guy is clearly out of his gourd.
Not only is the idea that teaching evolution not related to crime ("if you teach people they came from animals, they'll act like animals" what is this, the 30s?), violent crime in the US has generally been decreasing, though recently there has been a slight uptick (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-murder-rate-is-up-but-still-far-below-its-1980-peak/). So this picture of evolution-induced murder and mayhem isn't particularly accurate.
And this goes back to my point about Democrats and Republicans largely occupying different worlds.
Sure, you and I might look at that evolution-murder connection as baffling, but for conservatives who get their views on society from Evangelical Christian sources, it's not terribly uncommon for evolution to be demonized as a satanic, society-destroying menace much like homosexuality or communism. And they repeat this garbage (apparently without the slightest shred of skepticism) until it seems sensible and self-evident.
This is the gulf of opinion that we have to bridge with these people. Wide and getting wider all the time.
His name is Michael Morell ... former deputy head of CIA, former acting head of CIA ... under Obama. He is spilling the beans on his inside job to help Hillary, during and post-election.
Much more important than a dirty old man from Alabama.
Well. All I can say is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc
A lovely double loss for Asshole, who first backed Strange, who lost, and then backed Moore, who lost. And evidence that there may be hope for Alabama yet. Even though 48.4% of them have no problem with the idea of an accused pedophile representing them.
Quote from: trdsf on December 13, 2017, 10:38:03 AM
Well. All I can say is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVM1nUmDHHc
A lovely double loss for Asshole, who first backed Strange, who lost, and then backed Moore, who lost. And evidence that there may be hope for Alabama yet. Even though 48.4% of them have no problem with the idea of an accused pedophile representing them.
The political loss of both Strange ans Moore is going to drive Trump raving around the White House at night and lead to more weird Twitter posts. I sat, the more the better. As his craziness is more exposed to the country, the easier it will be to negate him.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 15, 2017, 03:36:47 AM
The political loss of both Strange ans Moore is going to drive Trump raving around the White House at night and lead to more weird Twitter posts. I sat, the more the better. As his craziness is more exposed to the country, the easier it will be to negate him.
He's claiming that this election proves him right about the Alabama election in the first place, which is an odd claim since
his candidate lost to the more Trumpish candidate, and then the Trumpish candidate lost to a moderate Democrat.
It's probably true, Strange would have beaten Jones without breaking a sweat, but I'm tremendously amused that Asshole is trying to claim a victory out of a double loss.
Quote from: trdsf on December 15, 2017, 09:20:11 AM
He's claiming that this election proves him right about the Alabama election in the first place, which is an odd claim since his candidate lost to the more Trumpish candidate, and then the Trumpish candidate lost to a moderate Democrat.
It's probably true, Strange would have beaten Jones without breaking a sweat, but I'm tremendously amused that Asshole is trying to claim a victory out of a double loss.
More disgusted than amused. Why? Because this is classical trump. He has always done this. He makes a claim (matters not what it is) and if proven wrong he still maintains he was proven right. And his followers agree with him. Facts are meaningless for him, for he creates his own as he goes; and they do not have to be consistent. Whatever he says, whenever he says it is the truth. And his followers agree with him. He will never change.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 15, 2017, 10:41:17 AM
More disgusted than amused. Why? Because this is classical trump. He has always done this. He makes a claim (matters not what it is) and if proven wrong he still maintains he was proven right. And his followers agree with him. Facts are meaningless for him, for he creates his own as he goes; and they do not have to be consistent. Whatever he says, whenever he says it is the truth. And his followers agree with him. He will never change.
I think I can afford to be amused. A Republican lost in one of the reddest of the red states. Every other elected Republican in the country, especially those up for re-election next year, is now looking over their shoulder in a very nervous way.
Quote from: trdsf on December 15, 2017, 12:21:22 PM
I think I can afford to be amused. A Republican lost in one of the reddest of the red states. Every other elected Republican in the country, especially those up for re-election next year, is now looking over their shoulder in a very nervous way.
I must admit I am amused with and about Moore. He is just the poster child for all evangelicals and born again types. How anyone who claims to be christian can claim to be moral is beyond me.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 15, 2017, 05:26:40 PM
I must admit I am amused with and about Moore. He is just the poster child for all evangelicals and born again types. How anyone who claims to be christian can claim to be moral is beyond me.
That is the problem with "no true Scotsman". Isn't it also true that one contradiction, disproves the over-generalization? So just one good Christian, is enough to defeat the negative rhetoric that "all Christians are bad", though not enough to defeat the 99% who are bad ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on December 15, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
That is the problem with "no true Scotsman". Isn't it also true that one contradiction, disproves the over-generalization? So just one good Christian, is enough to defeat the negative rhetoric that "all Christians are bad", though not enough to defeat the 99% who are bad ;-(
Christianity is 100% bad. Individual christians should be judged by how they act; the christian religion itself is without morals, ethics or a decent set of values. Not all christians are Christian. Nor are they christian all the time. The christian religion is the christian religion all the time. I accept people as people. So, there is no over-generalization.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 15, 2017, 08:36:39 PM
Christianity is 100% bad. Individual christians should be judged by how they act; the christian religion itself is without morals, ethics or a decent set of values. Not all christians are Christian. Nor are they christian all the time. The christian religion is the christian religion all the time. I accept people as people. So, there is no over-generalization.
Yes, you represent the nihilism (opposition to) generalization. Not a bad position ... non-ideological.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 15, 2017, 08:36:39 PM
Christianity is 100% bad. Individual christians should be judged by how they act; the christian religion itself is without morals, ethics or a decent set of values. Not all christians are Christian. Nor are they christian all the time. The christian religion is the christian religion all the time. I accept people as people. So, there is no over-generalization.
I am with you on that. No good Christians. But also no good Jews, Moslems, Hindus, etc...
They are all deluded and possibly "unsane". I don't think any of them is nuts so much as I think ALL of them are.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 08:26:06 AM
I am with you on that. No good Christians. But also no good Jews, Moslems, Hindus, etc...
They are all deluded and possibly "unsane". I don't think any of them is nuts so much as I think ALL of them are.
I know religious people as paranoid as you post.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 15, 2017, 03:36:47 AM
The political loss of both Strange ans Moore is going to drive Trump raving around the White House at night and lead to more weird Twitter posts. I sat, the more the better. As his craziness is more exposed to the country, the easier it will be to negate him.
I came, I saw, I concurred.
Quote from: Baruch on December 15, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
That is the problem with "no true Scotsman". Isn't it also true that one contradiction, disproves the over-generalization? So just one good Christian, is enough to defeat the negative rhetoric that "all Christians are bad", though not enough to defeat the 99% who are bad ;-(
Yeah, 99% of Christians make the rest of them look bad...
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 22, 2017, 05:49:22 PM
Yeah, 99% of Christians make the rest of them look bad...
And the other 1% are kindly old deluded grammas who bake cookies for all the children and don't think a whole lot about such unhappy things.
I doubt that thinking is a priority with such folks. Emotion is their forte.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2017, 02:50:54 PM
I doubt that thinking is a priority with such folks. Emotion is their forte.
EQ over IQ is equally unbalanced, relative to the alternative. Balance the Force, Luke.
Hey, merry Christmahannakwanzika Baruch! Or happy solstice, which is what I celebrate. I hate the short days of winter, but I am enjoying today's apricity.
Well, surprise surprise. Internationally known knuckledragger Moore has filed a last-minute complaint alleging massive poll fraud and demanding a new election (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42501154) in Alabama.
The Alabama Secretary of State has said Jones will be certified on schedule at 1pm today.
Aw, bless his pointy little head. Republicans always seem to be sore losers, as happened when Franken won, and was then held up from taking office for about 6 months. I feel a very definite schadenfreude over Moore's fit of pique. Sometimes I think it's really too bad that hell doesn't exist - for people like him to be roasted in for eternity.
And Doug Jones is now officially the Senator-Elect for Alabama and will be taking his seat Jan 3, with his election certified by Republican SecState John Merrill, Republican Governor Kay Ivey and Republican Attorney General Steve Marshall, while the courts essentially told Moore to fuck off (albeit in legalistic language).
Quote from: trdsf on December 28, 2017, 10:05:22 AM
Well, surprise surprise. Internationally known knuckledragger Moore has filed a last-minute complaint alleging massive poll fraud and demanding a new election (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42501154) in Alabama.
You'd think a guy like that would know how to pull out.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 28, 2017, 09:47:08 PM
You'd think a guy like that would know how to pull out.
So you like, never had sex, and never will? Totally asexual? He may be a maniac, but that doesn't make sex evil.
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
So you like, never had sex, and never will? Totally asexual? He may be a maniac, but that doesn't make sex evil.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/2ykka41AwzRXW/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
So you like, never had sex, and never will? Totally asexual? He may be a maniac, but that doesn't make sex evil.
I think that was perhaps a reference to coitus interruptus. Maybe not, though, since that's pulling out prematurely, and Moore would likely never do that.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2017, 04:38:37 PM
I think that was perhaps a reference to coitus interruptus. Maybe not, though, since that's pulling out prematurely, and Moore would likely never do that.
All men are rapists, particularly if they are White (says Black feminist). Also all men are pedophiles (but never women). Even though I don't have obvious signs of victimhood, I consider myself a victim too. I want all the feminists to pay me back for their sociopathy (not really, their money is tainted).
Racism is just one flavor of sociopathy, as is misogyny ... but those aren't the only ones. Poor Gentile idiots think I am wealthy and intelligent, just because I am Jewish. More sociopathy. Wealthy intelligent Jews think that some people are poor and stupid, just because they are Gentiles. More sociopathy.
Everyone should be a Democrat, because everyone is a loser, and they think that everyone else owes them. Nobody should be a Republican, because everyone is a loser, and they think that they own everyone. This is why I am Independent, I am trying to be less of a sociopath, not more of one.
Quote from: trdsf on December 28, 2017, 03:35:02 PM
And Doug Jones is now officially the Senator-Elect for Alabama and will be taking his seat Jan 3, with his election certified by Republican SecState John Merrill, Republican Governor Kay Ivey and Republican Attorney General Steve Marshall, while the courts essentially told Moore to fuck off (albeit in legalistic language).
It IS hopeful, seeing Moore squashed like a bug on the windshield...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
It IS hopeful, seeing Moore squashed like a bug on the windshield...
Don't ask for whom the bell tolls ... all government pensions to go to zero ... sooner not later. Welcome to Weimar.