But not according to Trump himself. Actually, he is impressed with himself:
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Trump has ceaselessly touted his administration as being historically effective, claiming last month he had accomplished more than “ any president in history†in the first nine months.
But Americans aren't as impressed. They aren't buying it:
QuoteMore than two-thirds of Americans believe the improbable president has accomplished “little†or “nothing†in office so far, while he holds the lowest net approval rating of any president in seven decades of polling.
In the poll of 1,005 adults, 65 percent said they saw few accomplishments coming out of the Trump White House so far, even as Trump has repeatedly claimed he is already one of the most productive presidents in history. That number is up from 56 percent who said he had accomplished little after his first 100 days.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/most-americans-think-trump-accomplished-171556277.html
I wish he had achieved nothing, but that's unfortunately not the case. Everything he has managed to achieve has almost universally set us back both domestically and certainly internationally.
Quote from: SGOS on November 06, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
But not according to Trump himself. Actually, he is impressed with himself
I think it's pretty clear by now that Asshole's grasp on and relation to reality is idiosyncratic at best.
As far as I can tell, Trump has not one positive political appointment--has not one positive political (or in any other area) accomplishment; there is not one positive thing I can say about the creature.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2017, 09:45:56 AM
As far as I can tell, Trump has not one positive political appointment--has not one positive political (or in any other area) accomplishment; there is not one positive thing I can say about the creature.
I can actually say one good thing about him: his presence keeps the christofascist Pence out of the Oval Office, because a) Pence is perfectly willing to legislate his religion and b) Pence is an experienced politician who can accomplish getting his religion legislated.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 06, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
I wish he had achieved nothing, but that's unfortunately not the case. Everything he has managed to achieve has almost universally set us back both domestically and certainly internationally.
Perhaps established polls like to use the same questions over the years for the sake of consistency. Up until now, poll makers may not have felt compelled to ask a question like, "How much damage has President X done to America's well being?" To introduce a new question at this time would create a new criteria that could not be directly compared to previous polls.
It would also upset many less informed Republicans who would say the poll was leading, since it never asked the same question when Hillary Clinton was president.
Quote from: trdsf on November 06, 2017, 09:59:20 AM
I can actually say one good thing about him: his presence keeps the christofascist Pence out of the Oval Office, because a) Pence is perfectly willing to legislate his religion and b) Pence is an experienced politician who can accomplish getting his religion legislated.
Hence the downside to a Trump impeachment. Unless we did a two-fer.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2017, 10:28:46 AM
Hence the downside to a Trump impeachment. Unless we did a two-fer.
Absent something so egregious that even the GOP has to finally sit up and take noticeâ€"and I don't even care to think what kind of an obscenity against civil law that would take for them anymore, so practiced are they at deliberately looking the other way when another Republican is involvedâ€"impeachment won't happen until there are Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate, at which point Pope Mike no longer would have the legislature he would need to enact his agenda. Without the House and Senate on his side, Pence would be relatively harmless to ride out the remainder of Asshole's term.
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More than two-thirds of Americans believe the improbable president has accomplished “little†or “nothing†in office so far
I wouldn't quite say nothing. You don't get a golf handicap like Trumps by sitting around Washington all day.
Quote from: trdsf on November 06, 2017, 10:34:53 AM
Absent something so egregious that even the GOP has to finally sit up and take noticeâ€"and I don't even care to think what kind of an obscenity against civil law that would take for them anymore, so practiced are they at deliberately looking the other way when another Republican is involvedâ€"impeachment won't happen until there are Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate, at which point Pope Mike no longer would have the legislature he would need to enact his agenda. Without the House and Senate on his side, Pence would be relatively harmless to ride out the remainder of Asshole's term.
I like your plan.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2017, 09:45:56 AM
As far as I can tell, Trump has not one positive political appointment--has not one positive political (or in any other area) accomplishment; there is not one positive thing I can say about the creature.
Yeah. The appointments are probably the most damaging thing he's done so far. Almost every one of them has been the absolute last person any sane person would pick for the job and most of them constitute an existential threat to the agencies they're supposed to run. Even if we purge these swampy slimeballs from office, the damage has already been done and it'll likely take a lot of agencies (especially the EPA) years to recover. And then we get to go through this again when the next conservative troglodyte takes power. Yay.
fake news.....of course it's fake news....every Trumpie will tell you....it's all fake. He will make amurica great again if everyone will just let him...*snif*
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 06, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
The appointments are probably the most damaging thing he's done so far. Almost every one of them has been the absolute last person any sane person would pick for the job and most of them constitute an existential threat to the agencies they're supposed to run.
And the fucking GOP majority in the legislature gave every one of them a free pass despite common sense objections from the minority party (McConnell to Warren: "the senator will take her seat"), so I suppose that one could say that Trump's greatest accomplishment is that he has demonstrated to the world just how fucked up the GOP really is.
Quote from: Luther Martini on November 06, 2017, 01:05:51 PM
And the fucking GOP majority in the legislature gave every one of them a free pass despite common sense objections from the minority party (McConnell to Warren: "the senator will take her seat"), so I suppose that one could say that Trump's greatest accomplishment is that he has demonstrated to the world just how fucked up the GOP really is.
Yes. Even Republicans who later blasted Trump bent over and took his nominees. Corker didn't say no even once. Nor did Flake. McCain said yes to DeVos, Mnuchin, and Tillerson. WTF was he smoking?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/31/us/politics/trump-cabinet-confirmation-votes.html
When the next elections happen in NC, I'm going to bear in mind Burr and Tillis' complicity in this disaster. The North remembers.
Quote from: SGOS on November 06, 2017, 10:08:54 AM
it never asked the same question when Hillary Clinton was president.
Well, Hillary was the invisible president, I guess...
Quote from: Jason78 on November 06, 2017, 10:55:30 AM
I wouldn't quite say nothing. You don't get a golf handicap like Trumps by sitting around Washington all day.
I don't know enough about golf to know how to read this, but maybe some of you do:
(http://wojdylosocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-12-at-11.39.48-PM.png)
Does this tell us what Chump's handicap is?
Here is a link to an article on golf.com with some additional insight into Trump's ability on the links including some information substantiating allegations that in addition to being an accomplished golfer, he often bends the rules in his favor. Or, more bluntly stated ... evidently he cheats. Is anyone surprised?
http://www.golf.com/tour-news/2017/08/02/six-things-we-learned-golfs-depth-look-first-golfer-president-trump
Oh, I just can't believe Chump would cheat at golf, or anything else!
(https://www.americangolf.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/522124_545005785517836_1399632375_n.jpg)
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
I don't know enough about golf to know how to read this, but maybe some of you do:
(http://wojdylosocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-12-at-11.39.48-PM.png)
Does this tell us what Chump's handicap is?
I wonder how much he cheats at golf--he lies about everything else, why not golf.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Well, Hillary was the invisible president, I guess...
Like Cheney and Biden?
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 06, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
Yeah. The appointments are probably the most damaging thing he's done so far. Almost every one of them has been the absolute last person any sane person would pick for the job and most of them constitute an existential threat to the agencies they're supposed to run. Even if we purge these swampy slimeballs from office, the damage has already been done and it'll likely take a lot of agencies (especially the EPA) years to recover. And then we get to go through this again when the next conservative troglodyte takes power. Yay.
The Powell Memo was real, and before PNAC. You are just peasants awaiting the abattoir.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2017, 04:03:27 PM
Well, Hillary was the invisible president, I guess...
And Gore...
Trump accomplished one thing, via Mitch McConnell. Gorsuch will linger for decades like a pestilence...
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
I don't know enough about golf to know how to read this, but maybe some of you do:
(http://wojdylosocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Screen-Shot-2017-01-12-at-11.39.48-PM.png)
Does this tell us what Chump's handicap is?
It would let us make an educated guess at it, anyway. The Course Rating is the average score expected of a scratch golfer on that course under normal circumstances, generally between 67 and 77. The Slope Rating is a measure of the difficulty of the course, between 55 and 155. For both ratings, higher numbers equal more difficult courses. Within limits, there should be a direct relationship between the player's scores, and those two numbers.
They look a *little* hinky to me, but I'll have to do some math to be sure. The only thing that looks odd is that 70, but it's odd in the wrong direction if he were sandbagging.
His removal of so many regulations is probably going to be his main lasting legacy; environmental groups are saying that the regulations he has been cutting won't show up instantly, but rather take 5-10 years to fully manifest themselves.
The problem I see with this is we will hopefully have a progressive in office by that time, and all the blame will fall on their shoulders.
Quote from: trdsf on November 07, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
It would let us make an educated guess at it, anyway. The Course Rating is the average score expected of a scratch golfer on that course under normal circumstances, generally between 67 and 77. The Slope Rating is a measure of the difficulty of the course, between 55 and 155. For both ratings, higher numbers equal more difficult courses. Within limits, there should be a direct relationship between the player's scores, and those two numbers.
They look a *little* hinky to me, but I'll have to do some math to be sure. The only thing that looks odd is that 70, but it's odd in the wrong direction if he were sandbagging.
Well, to be honest, it COULD mean he hit the peak of his game 2011 to 2014. But that's unlikely. Few players get better after 40.
It could mean he is inconsistent and had a few good years. That's unlikely. You can have good days and bad, but not usually whole years.
It could mean he played some courses that suited his game. If you have a right-handed fade and most of the hazards are on the left, it would help. But few courses are so unbalanced.
I played with a co-worker who just tapped the ball out of "unfair hazards" (woods, bad lies, bunkers) routinely and didn't count that stroke. Needless to say, we never played him for money. LOL!
But I recall someone pointing out on MSNBC a few weeks ago that "Presidents get a lot of "foregiveness" on the golf course, and that probably also applies to the guy who owns the golf course.
Which is of course saying that Trump cheats as a privelege.
And I have to add something personal about golf... My Dad was a dedicated (and honest) scratch golfer. I used to visit for the Member/Guest tourney at his club. The tourney was some weird quota system involving handicaps and points. I could barely break 100 and Dad was always trying to "correct' my swing even when I did better than usual. But one year, it was rainy and miserable and Dad had enough to do to manage his own normally good game.
I however was FREE! And I had one of the best rounds of my life on one of the top 50 toughest courses at the time. I was free to ATTACK!
As most of you can guess, I am not one of the most cautious people in the world. I deliberately sliced around right doglegs. I daringly hit over trees. I putted out of a sand trap (to Dad's horror). I drove off 5 par holes with a 2 iron (I hate woods). I did everything Dad thought was wrong.
We won because I had gone nuts. I have the trophy to prove it.
And that was the last time I ever played golf with him... No, he didn't die, I just quit. I went out "on top".
Quote from: Shiranu on November 07, 2017, 11:12:40 AM
His removal of so many regulations is probably going to be his main lasting legacy; environmental groups are saying that the regulations he has been cutting won't show up instantly, but rather take 5-10 years to fully manifest themselves.
The problem I see with this is we will hopefully have a progressive in office by that time, and all the blame will fall on their shoulders.
That would be the usual pattern of the last 60 years. Republicans promise tax changes will grow the economy and all they do is strangle it. Then the Democrats want to fix the economy and the Republicans benefit but scream loudly.
Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 11:14:20 AM
Well, to be honest, it COULD mean he hit the peak of his game 2011 to 2014. But that's unlikely. Few players get better after 40.
It could mean he is inconsistent and had a few good years. That's unlikely. You can have good days and bad, but not usually whole years.
It could mean he played some courses that suited his game. If you have a right-handed fade and most of the hazards are on the left, it would help. But few courses are so unbalanced.
I played with a co-worker who just tapped the ball out of "unfair hazards" (woods, bad lies, bunkers) routinely and didn't count that stroke. Needless to say, we never played him for money. LOL!
But I recall someone pointing out on MSNBC a few weeks ago that "Presidents get a lot of "foregiveness" on the golf course, and that probably also applies to the guy who owns the golf course.
Which is of course saying that Trump cheats as a privelege.
And even more game decay in their 60s and 70s. I have seen Palmer, Player and Nicklaus play -- at the time, Jack was 60, Gary was 65 and Arnie was 70. And I nearly got beaned that day by arguably the greatest player that ever lived -- Jack's golf ball had no business being where I was, absent a slice on
my scale.
Generally speaking, you see higher scores associates with higher course/slope ratings. That's as it should be. What makes that 70 stand out is first that he hasn't any other scores even remotely in that area --
especially not on much easier courses -- and that it is on a definitely difficult course. It's possible he had One Magical Dayâ,,¢.
It's also possible that he's been sandbagging. To calculate an official USGA handicap, it's based on your ten best scores over your last twenty rounds. Bill Gates got caught doing it -- he was in a charity event and reported a 30 handicap, then went out and shot an 87, roughly the equivalent of a scratch golfer shooting a 57. Even the director of the USGA's handicapping system said "no way".
Statistically, you just don't see someone who consistently shoots in the mid-70s to mid-80s, with a good correlation between score and course/slope, suddenly go out and shoot 70 on a tough course.
So I suspect that 70 was reported because it was in a situation where a) he wanted the win with his inflated handicap and b) he was unable to
not report it if he wanted to claim that win.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 11:14:20 AM
And I have to add something personal about golf... My Dad was a dedicated (and honest) scratch golfer. I used to visit for the Member/Guest tourney at his club. The tourney was some weird quota system involving handicaps and points. I could barely break 100 and Dad was always trying to "correct' my swing even when I did better than usual. But one year, it was rainy and miserable and Dad had enough to do to manage his own normally good game.
I however was FREE! And I had one of the best rounds of my life on one of the top 50 toughest courses at the time. I was free to ATTACK!
As most of you can guess, I am not one of the most cautious people in the world. I deliberately sliced around right doglegs. I daringly hit over trees. I putted out of a sand trap (to Dad's horror). I drove off 5 par holes with a 2 iron (I hate woods). I did everything Dad thought was wrong.
We won because I had gone nuts. I have the trophy to prove it.
And that was the last time I ever played golf with him... No, he didn't die, I just quit. I went out "on top".
I have always hit my best golf shots when the only swing thought I had was "Fuck it."
And yeah, there is
definitely something to playing within your game. There's a par-5 I attack with three five irons (and a wedge, if I'm not on the green) because I know within limits where my five iron's going to go. I can't say that about my woods. Driver comes out if the hole is a sharp dogleg right because I *always* slice a driver, especially if I try to kill it. I have chipped with a 3-iron because my ball was under a 3' tall pine tree and in the clutches of some plant that I suspect was kin to Cthulhu, and it was the only way to get
any club on the ball.
I would describe my game either as 'two shots of undeserved brilliance buried within one hundred twenty of futility' or 'two strokes of Ben Hogan surrounded by one hundred twenty of Harpo Marx'. But I keep going back. Those occasional brilliant shots are all the sweeter for the sea of
merde they claw their way out of. I'll always remember that 40' putt with three breaks diving into the hole like it was under remote control... never mind that it was for an 8 on a par 3.
Quote from: trdsf on November 07, 2017, 01:07:25 PM
And even more game decay in their 60s and 70s. I have seen Palmer, Player and Nicklaus play -- at the time, Jack was 60, Gary was 65 and Arnie was 70. And I nearly got beaned that day by arguably the greatest player that ever lived -- Jack's golf ball had no business being where I was, absent a slice on my scale.
Generally speaking, you see higher scores associates with higher course/slope ratings. That's as it should be. What makes that 70 stand out is first that he hasn't any other scores even remotely in that area -- especially not on much easier courses -- and that it is on a definitely difficult course. It's possible he had One Magical Dayâ,,¢.
It's also possible that he's been sandbagging. To calculate an official USGA handicap, it's based on your ten best scores over your last twenty rounds. Bill Gates got caught doing it -- he was in a charity event and reported a 30 handicap, then went out and shot an 87, roughly the equivalent of a scratch golfer shooting a 57. Even the director of the USGA's handicapping system said "no way".
Statistically, you just don't see someone who consistently shoots in the mid-70s to mid-80s, with a good correlation between score and course/slope, suddenly go out and shoot 70 on a tough course.
So I suspect that 70 was reported because it was in a situation where a) he wanted the win with his inflated handicap and b) he was unable to not report it if he wanted to claim that win.
I have always hit my best golf shots when the only swing thought I had was "Fuck it."
And yeah, there is definitely something to playing within your game. There's a par-5 I attack with three five irons (and a wedge, if I'm not on the green) because I know within limits where my five iron's going to go. I can't say that about my woods. Driver comes out if the hole is a sharp dogleg right because I *always* slice a driver, especially if I try to kill it. I have chipped with a 3-iron because my ball was under a 3' tall pine tree and in the clutches of some plant that I suspect was kin to Cthulhu, and it was the only way to get any club on the ball.
I would describe my game either as 'two shots of undeserved brilliance buried within one hundred twenty of futility' or 'two strokes of Ben Hogan surrounded by one hundred twenty of Harpo Marx'. But I keep going back. Those occasional brilliant shots are all the sweeter for the sea of merde they claw their way out of. I'll always remember that 40' putt with three breaks diving into the hole like it was under remote control... never mind that it was for an 8 on a par 3.
Ah a golfer after my own heart. When the mind says "I can DO this", you usually can't but the game is in the trying, not the score. No guts, no glory.
So hitting the ball once 250 yards uphill with a 2 iron to gimme distance to the hole is good. The look on Dad's face - Priceless!
I was the lowest member of the high school golf team (undefeated for 2 years but not because of me usually). But there was that one match when the 40' putt over a curve went in on the last hole with everyone watching. To save the win.
It doesn't get better then that.