http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-41880700 (http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-41880700)
Less than 20 minutes from where I live. Posting this just because it's breaking news and full articles aren't out yet.
Edit: - https://www.ksat.com/news/shooting-sutherland-springs-church-gunfire-mass-shooting-airlife
About 3% of the town's population, killed in a few minutes.
Came to check on you. Take care. Any idea what is happening?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 05, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
Came to check on you. Take care. Any idea what is happening?
No clue, they haven't really released any info last I checked. I'm fine though, thank you Drunken.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 05, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
Came to check on you. Take care. Any idea what is happening?
Hey, Shoe, move along. Nothing to see here. It is a huge tragedy, but we must morn in respect for the victims; too early to talk about it or gun control (besides, people kill people; guns don't kill people.--clearly just a mentally ill person here.). Let's bow our heads in silence............Show respect--nothing to talk about.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 05, 2017, 06:24:20 PM
Hey, Shoe, move along. Nothing to see here. It is a huge tragedy, but we must morn in respect for the victims; too early to talk about it or gun control (besides, people kill people; guns don't kill people.--clearly just a mentally ill person here.). Let's bow our heads in silence............Show respect--nothing to talk about.
Correct, guns don't kill people, the US government does. Needs to do more killing.
LOL. OK, Mike. Take care guys, please.
Good grief.
It's really difficult to know what to say, other than that we need stronger gun laws. OBVIOUSLY, the wrong people are getting their hands on them!
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on November 05, 2017, 08:23:36 PM
Good grief.
It's really difficult to know what to say, other than that we need stronger gun laws. OBVIOUSLY, the wrong people are getting their hands on them!
It is clear that only the insane would do what was done today--guns or not. So, guns are clearly not the problem; it is our broken medical system that just has no interest in treating the mentally ill, much less curing them. Come on Hakurei, get your head together!!
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 05, 2017, 08:37:53 PM
It is clear that only the insane would do what was done today--guns or not. So, guns are clearly not the problem; it is our broken medical system that just has no interest in treating the mentally ill, much less curing them. Come on Hakurei, get your head together!!
Funny, I would have called the mentally ill "the wrong people." I guess that's just me. Defend your right to keep and arm nuts!
I stand corrected: the number of injured and killed was 10% of the population, not 3%.
No big deal. Happens all the time. I'm just grateful that someone got to exchange a few rounds with the gunman on his way out of the church. I'll bet he wasn't expecting that and maybe even crapped his pants for a second.
Quote from: SGOS on November 06, 2017, 08:29:51 AM
No big deal. Happens all the time. I'm just grateful that someone got to exchange a few rounds with the gunman on his way out of the church. I'll bet he wasn't expecting that and maybe even crapped his pants for a second.
There you are--the NRA solution. If everybody had been armed in that church, the gunman would not have had a chance. Therefore, all right minded NRA thinking (the very essence of mental health) would be armed.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2017, 09:43:05 AM
There you are--the NRA solution. If everybody had been armed in that church, the gunman would not have had a chance. Therefore, all right minded NRA thinking (the very essence of mental health) would be armed.
GGWAG* scenarios are exceedingly rare for a reason. Most people aren't actually willing to kill other people, regardless of the motivation. And if they do shoot, how exactly do they parse out who to shoot at if EVERYBODY has a gun? (Betting money on "who cares?") Finally, do citizens without any power assigned to them by the government have the right to be judge/jury/executioner? That's not even a grey area, folks.
*Good Guy With A Gun.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 06, 2017, 10:11:21 AM
GGWAG* scenarios are exceedingly rare for a reason. Most people aren't actually willing to kill other people, regardless of the motivation. And if they do shoot, how exactly do they parse out who to shoot at if EVERYBODY has a gun? (Betting money on "who cares?") Finally, do citizens without any power assigned to them by the government have the right to be judge/jury/executioner? That's not even a grey area, folks.
*Good Guy With A Gun.
My point, exactly. If you wanted to see a 'real' bloodbath, then arm all who were in that church and see how that would play out.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
My point, exactly. If you wanted to see a 'real' bloodbath, then arm all who were in that church and see how that would play out.
Ala the church scene in "Kingsman".
Apparently, the fake news people are wasting no time:
QuoteUsers of Google’s search engine who conduct internet searches for queries such as “who is Devin Patrick Kelley?†â€" or just do a simple search for his name â€" can be exposed to tweets claiming the shooter was a Muslim convert; or a member of Antifa; or a Democrat supporter…
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/06/google-is-surfacing-texas-shooter-misinformation-in-search-results-thanks-also-to-twitter/
Quote from: Baruch on November 05, 2017, 06:29:42 PM
Correct, guns don't kill people, the US government does. Needs to do more killing.
To relieve some population pressure?
Quote from: SGOS on November 06, 2017, 08:29:51 AM
No big deal. Happens all the time. I'm just grateful that someone got to exchange a few rounds with the gunman on his way out of the church. I'll bet he wasn't expecting that and maybe even crapped his pants for a second.
I'm waiting for the NRA to talk about how this good guy with a gun saved the day.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 06, 2017, 04:02:20 PM
Apparently, the fake news people are wasting no time:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/06/google-is-surfacing-texas-shooter-misinformation-in-search-results-thanks-also-to-twitter/
I happened to be surfing the TV channels mid-day yesterday when early reports of the shooting began appearing on the major cable news outlets, and even before there was an accurate casualty count, much less any hint of motive, I heard a couple of the Fox News people framing the report in the context of being "an attack on America's faithful". I suppose that is exactly what many in the Fox aka Bullshit Mountain News (thank you Jon Stewart) viewing audience would want to hear in order to support the fake notion of there being a "war on religion".
I won't listen to much news about this most recent shooting for several days, except maybe NPR or the BBC. Too many factions want to use these kinds of tragedies for their own nefarious ends by putting out false reports. In a week or so maybe enough of that will have been filtered out that I can find out what really happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4MEYz67iN0
I know he's not liked much on certain issues here, but here Paul does raise an interesting point about america's gun law and the status of it. There have been more and more mass shootings in the US, or more correctly, more mass shootings documented in the media in the US now more then any time in its history.
This instant media attention is very much a drawing factor to those seeing the media's reaction to every one, and it creates a sense of purpose for those who want to go out, buy a gun and kill a bunch of people.
That deeply messed up narcissistic mentality of self gratification spurned on by the media leads to a constant cycle in the modern day, and where we are in the information age, it will only get worse as a result, with little you can do about it. Killing a bunch of people to claim status for it, there are people in the world who live that like, and they achieve their goals no matter how many times we grieve for the dead.
I predict from this we're see more media outlets looking to blame factors for this shooting, games, movies, the parents, but the irony being its the media itself that creates this status and thus plants the seed for the next have a go mass shooter.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
To relieve some population pressure?
Seven billion more to go. That is why US special forces are on the Russian border.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 06, 2017, 04:02:20 PM
Apparently, the fake news people are wasting no time:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/06/google-is-surfacing-texas-shooter-misinformation-in-search-results-thanks-also-to-twitter/
Google is CIA. Just Be Evil.
After every mass shooting, the extreme gun rights advocates declare "it is too soon to talk of restrictions after such a tragedy". When you ask them "when" they say "give the victims time to get over the tragedy". After a few weeks, when you ask them to discuss it, they say it is "old news".
Somewhere between those two times, there must be some "magical instant" that is "the right time". They never will state when that is. And I can sure never pin them down about it.
What they want to do is just keep kicking the can down the road. They have to be stopped, or at least restricted, eventually. This can't continue.
The US once condoned slavery and it was strongly defended by a large minority of the US population. The US once condoned voting only by propertied white males and that was strongly supported by a large minority of the population. Both ideas were eliminated by great effort and argument.
It is time that the 2nd amendment be reinterpreted. I fully support hunters using sportsmanlike hunting guns. But we don't have militias anymore. We have an army and we have National Guard units. The citizens outside of those ARE NOT MILITIA!
More than 36,000 Americans were victims of firearm-related deaths in 2015.
States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence (Washington Post newspaper).
Almost all restrictions on gun ownership have majority public support (Pew Research Center).
There comes a time for things to change...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 01:47:38 AM
After every mass shooting, the extreme gun rights advocates declare "it is too soon to talk of restrictions after such a tragedy". When you ask them "when" they say "give the victims time to get over the tragedy". After a few weeks, when you ask them to discuss it, they say it is "old news".
Somewhere between those two times, there must be some "magical instant" that is "the right time". They never will state when that is. And I can sure never pin them down about it.
What they want to do is just keep kicking the can down the road. They have to be stopped, or at least restricted, eventually. This can't continue.
The US once condoned slavery and it was strongly defended by a large minority of the US population. The US once condoned voting only by propertied white males and that was strongly supported by a large minority of the population. Both ideas were eliminated by great effort and argument.
It is time that the 2nd amendment be reinterpreted. I fully support hunters using sportsmanlike hunting guns. But we don't have militias anymore. We have an army and we have National Guard units. The citizens outside of those ARE NOT MILITIA!
More than 36,000 Americans were victims of firearm-related deaths in 2015.
States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence (Washington Post newspaper).
Almost all restrictions on gun ownership have majority public support (Pew Research Center).
There comes a time for things to change...
Yes. To stop politicizing everything, ban all political parties. Put the military (in a business suit) in charge, like Gen Sisi in Egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih3evm8XoSI
Gotta play this, while going to class ... Egyptian Arabic from a beautiful Egyptian woman.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 07:06:08 AM
Yes. To stop politicizing everything, ban all political parties. Put the military (in a business suit) in charge, like Gen Sisi in Egypt.
Gotta play this, while going to class ... Egyptian Arabic from a beautiful Egyptian woman.
A new record of non-sequitor...