This story may not be as important as White House collusion with Russia, and it may only be unethical, rather than illegal, but it seems like something that needs to be fixed, and without a lot of debate. I'm wondering if others here view this as more than just a scandal that will pass. I feel like I'm watching the Democratic Party come to an end.
Just for something to refer to:
https://www.salon.com/2017/11/04/donna-brazile-dishes-dirt-on-dems-clinton-where-does-the-party-go-now/
Quote from: SGOS on November 04, 2017, 09:39:54 AM
This story may not be as important as White House collusion with Russia, and it may only be unethical, rather than illegal, but it seems like something that needs to be fixed, and without a lot of debate. I'm wondering if others here view this as more than just a scandal that will pass. I feel like I'm watching the Democratic Party come to an end.
Just for something to refer to:
https://www.salon.com/2017/11/04/donna-brazile-dishes-dirt-on-dems-clinton-where-does-the-party-go-now/
Both major parties needed to die, about 100 years ago. They are foul smelling zombies that are over-ripe.
Oh and ... Trump is the Anti-Christ! He just appointed a Carlyle Group stooge to be the next chair of the Fed. All your kopecks belong to us now!
On a realistic note, I do follow scandal in the party I used to belong to. Right now it is irredeemable ... but that has been true since 1861. It will go on stinking up the place for centuries to come, like rotting mummies in Egypt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJxgxVH0Fsk
Bad movies don't die, they go to DVD ... bad parties the same thing ...
Feminist Mummy ... aka Pharaoh Hillary.
PS - Salon is a DNC/CIA cointelpro.
Read actual comments by actual high level Democrats on the future of their party, and not from Hillarybots trying to cover their dumb asses. They say some interesting things. Tulsi Gabbard, Elizabeth Warren, Keith Ellison, Bernie Sanders ... they are all being, and have been, cock blocked by the Clinton Crime Syndicate.
Quote from: Baruch on November 04, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
Both major parties needed to die, about 100 years ago. They are foul smelling zombies that are over-ripe.
Foul smelling yes, but each party does need some organizational bodies. Maybe this isn't possible without corruption and we need to move toward an anarchy of people just throwing their hats into the ring of contenders.
I actually agree with some things you say, but you seldom provide alternative solutions for broken democracy. You tend to gravitate towards throwing it out. I find this odd since monarchy and dictatorships have such a poor track record. I'd prefer a solution that doesn't stamp out democracy, because I believe people should have a say in how they are governed. In the past, you have posted comments suggesting you oppose self governance, but I can never really tell if you actually believe the things you say.
Quote from: SGOS on November 04, 2017, 10:49:42 AM
Foul smelling yes, but each party does need some organizational bodies. Maybe this isn't possible without corruption and we need to move toward an anarchy of people just throwing their hats into the ring of contenders.
I actually agree with some things you say, but you seldom provide alternative solutions for broken democracy. You tend to gravitate towards throwing it out. I find this odd since monarchy and dictatorships have such a poor track record. I'd prefer a solution that doesn't stamp out democracy, because I believe people should have a say in how they are governed. In the past, you have posted comments suggesting you oppose self governance, but I can never really tell if you actually believe the things you say.
End democracy? ... we are a republic, not a democracy. Like Rome, not like Athens. As a Roman republic, we need to keep our daggers sharp. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. I don't prescribe, I describe. What you feel dying, isn't the Democrat Party ... it is your own political naivety. I have undergone the same transformation. Hulk mad! Hulk smash! Puny "political" god!
Yes, in politics, I can be very rhetorical, I see no other way to express myself except hyperbolically. Giving milk-toast solutions to society-ending events ... is not worth my time. I have to agree with Hillary on one thing ... "What difference at this point does it make?"
Yeats had words for this time ...
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
Self governance isn't done thru parties and elections. It is done by getting out of bed, using the potty, brushing out your hair, getting your clothes on, getting your wallet and other things, going outside and getting some breakfast and coffee. It isn't about policy wonks. Humanity is what it is, I don't think it can be improved. You can accept that or go on building castles in the air.
God, I'd hate to be you.
Quote from: SGOS on November 04, 2017, 09:39:54 AMThis story may not be as important as White House collusion with Russia, and it may only be unethical, rather than illegal, but it seems like something that needs to be fixed, and without a lot of debate. I'm wondering if others here view this as more than just a scandal that will pass. I feel like I'm watching the Democratic Party come to an end.
I was going to make a thread about this myself, but I worried that it'd be viewed as a Bernie supporter trying to rehash primary grievances rather than a Democrat seriously worried about the behavior and future trajectory of the Democratic party.
If true, these allegations paint a picture of a major political party whose elections are a sham because the nominee was chosen long before voting has actually begun due in no small part to payment of substantial sums of money. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the corrosive effect this sort of legal corruption may have on liberal policies in the long run.
Americans who advocate for democracy, and not just Bernie supporters, should be very concerned by this. It's not something to be brushed away simply because it worked in favor of one's preferred candidate this time.
Apparently the DNC has a reputation among the public as an "undemocratic organization that doesn’t appear to truly stand for anything." Are they wrong? Then let's act like it.
Also, I'd like to point out that Donna Brazile fed questions to the Clinton campaign prior to a primary debate, which is clearly unethical and a blatant attempt to bias the results of a supposedly impartial primary debate.
While this doesn't automatically invalidate her assertions, it doesn't engender much admiration for her, either. So don't expect me to sing her praises.
Yes, Hillary may have won the nomination without this. But that is not the point. It's ugly behavior. It's good that some respected Democratic leaders are acknowledging this so quickly and not sweeping it under the carpet.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 04, 2017, 11:56:40 AM
Also, I'd like to point out that Donna Brazile fed questions to the Clinton campaign prior to a primary debate, which is clearly unethical and a blatant attempt to bias the results of a supposedly impartial primary debate.
While this doesn't automatically invalidate her assertions, it doesn't engender much admiration for her, either. So don't expect me to sing her praises.
Apparently, she admits that but minimizes it as a employment survival tactic. I can understand that, but it's still not acceptable. Writing it in a tell all book confuses the issue too. Is she a disgruntled whistle blower or actually trying to help? Either way, it's good that it's out there so at least someone may want to change things.
Quote from: SGOS on November 04, 2017, 12:10:41 PM
Yes, Hillary may have won the nomination without this. But that is not the point. It's ugly behavior. It's good that some respected Democratic leaders are acknowledging this so quickly and not sweeping it under the carpet.
Elizabeth Warren foremost among them. Treating this sort of thing seriously is why they're respected in the first place.
Others, not so much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=YHWaIlpc8Cc
Perez needs to be shown the door, but that's just a start. There were a lot of people involved in this.
Quote from: SGOS on November 04, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
God, I'd hate to be you.
Irony much? Haven't voted Republican since 86, haven't voted Democrat since 96. Both parties left me ... for it is much more lucrative to cock-suck billionaires. The plutocracy isn't ideological, it is only for itself. Ancien Regime. I can hear the guillotines getting ready. But the billionaires would be nothing, without billions of idiots enabling them. Sometimes the people wise up, and sacrifice the corrupt leaders ... while carefully avoiding blame themselves. See Vichy France, not just Nazi Germany. The corrupt commons trundles on.
It is absolutely necessary for you to be you and me to be me. We are separate individuals .. more or less. Otherwise solipsism is real and so is multiple personality disorder ;-) I don't want to be anyone else, on principle. Not only known unknowns, but unknown unknowns in being someone else. The best actor to play my part? Myself of course ;-))
Back from breakfast and studying 11th century Hispanic Arab-Jewish theology over a spicy breakfast burrito and two cups of coffee. Now a little posting, then shopping and lunch. The Andalusian Dream, bitches!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwuamoFC-U
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 04, 2017, 11:56:40 AM
Also, I'd like to point out that Donna Brazile fed questions to the Clinton campaign prior to a primary debate, which is clearly unethical and a blatant attempt to bias the results of a supposedly impartial primary debate.
While this doesn't automatically invalidate her assertions, it doesn't engender much admiration for her, either. So don't expect me to sing her praises.
Simple CYA. She is deeply implicated, more than Tulsi, but then even Tulsi isn't completely clean, nor is Elizabeth. I would like Ellison in my district, would vote for him, because of his being a Muslim. Make assholes' heads spin. I voted for Obama for that reason, twice, because I wanted t make asshole's heads spin. He was a disappointment, but he wasn't working for me either. The Obamas are Clinton wannabes ... but without all the sex scandal. I would want anti-candidates in every jurisdiction, just to make the status quo spin until their heads drop off!
The Samson Option ... pull down the pagan temple on the heads of the American Philistines (not Palestinians).
While I would love to see the death of the two party system, I think things like this will neither bring the big two down, nor is America ready for something more logical like runoff elections and multiple parties.
To call America's third party options an absolute joke would be an understatement. They generally make the Tea Party branch of the Republican party look rational.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 04, 2017, 01:55:10 PM
While I would love to see the death of the two party system, I think things like this will neither bring the big two down, nor is America ready for something more logical like runoff elections and multiple parties.
To call America's third party options an absolute joke would be an understatement. They generally make the Tea Party branch of the Republican party look rational.
His name was (not Seth Rich) Gary Johnson ;-) So you will only vote for a giant party that can do stuff on a massive scale (and is therefore the target of every plutocrat and grifting policy wonk)? Idealism that.
Quote from: Baruch on November 04, 2017, 02:05:33 PM
His name was (not Seth Rich) Gary Johnson ;-) So you will only vote for a giant party that can do stuff on a massive scale (and is therefore the target of every plutocrat and grifting policy wonk)? Idealism that.
Gary "What Is Aleppo?" Johnson?
No thanks.
I'm more idealist than not, but that doesn't mean I'll choose a candidate with no chance and less brains just to stick it to the man. And if they won, they would be no different or worse, and I would then be obligated to oppose them because they have become the man.
Until a better option comes along, voting for the lesser of two evils is the most pragmatic option I have. I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot just for the fun of it.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 04, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Gary "What Is Aleppo?" Johnson?
No thanks.
Everyone makes mistakes. You're on camera for months, no matter how intelligent you are, you're bound to seriously flub a question sooner or later.
Let's give him a softball. He'll knock it out of the park, just watch. This one's easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8m1LGp1AxA
...riiight... So between him and Jill "harmful wifi" Stein, 2016 wasn't exactly a stellar year for third-party candidates. Though judging by the favorability ratings, the two major parties didn't do a great job, either.
All the more reason for the process of becoming a presidential candidate to be as fair and transparent as possible. Without that, we won't win. And no one wants a second-term Trump.
Sanders weighs in on Twitter
Donald Trump: "The real story on Collusion is in Donna B's new book. Crooked Hillary bought the DNC & then stole the Democratic Primary from Crazy Bernie!"
Bernie Sanders: "We won't be distracted from your efforts to give billionaires tax cuts, take health care from millions and deny climate change. Do your job."
I don't entirely disagree with Sanders on this, these are all very important battles. But we can't properly fight those battles when our electoral process is fubar. No one likes dwelling on 2016, but unless we correct our mistakes, our future is going to look an awful lot like our past.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 04, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Gary "What Is Aleppo?" Johnson?
No thanks.
I'm more idealist than not, but that doesn't mean I'll choose a candidate with no chance and less brains just to stick it to the man. And if they won, they would be no different or worse, and I would then be obligated to oppose them because they have become the man.
Until a better option comes along, voting for the lesser of two evils is the most pragmatic option I have. I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot just for the fun of it.
You will mature in your own time. Cynicism has to be earned!
Quote from: Baruch on November 05, 2017, 01:10:18 AM
You will mature in your own time. Cynicism has to be earned!
I tried cynicism for a few years. Didn't take.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 05, 2017, 01:12:34 AM
I tried cynicism for a few years. Didn't take.
It grows on you ... but not yet. Enjoy your youth while you can, and don't worry about the wrinkled asshole you will eventually become ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on November 05, 2017, 01:14:12 AM
It grows on you ... but not yet. Enjoy your youth while you can, and don't worry about the wrinkled asshole you will eventually become ;-)
We seldom agree, but I am in complete agreement on cynicism here.. I've never been so cynical about anything as much as politics in the past few decades.
It seems as if everything we ever learned we thought was good turned out to be more rotten than we could have ever imagined.
It almost feels like every medical advance was to keep us living longer when we should have all died at much younger ages like nature intended. Hows that for cynicism?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 05, 2017, 05:03:28 AM
I've never been so cynical about anything as much as politics in the past few decades. It seems as if everything we ever learned we thought was good turned out to be more rotten than we could have ever imagined.
More rotten than we could have ever imagined! I've wondered why this is so. I think it's because the people that fed us the bullshit were well intended but unaware of the truth. Being young we bought the bullshit because our mentors gained nothing by lying to us, so we assumed it was true. But while they were not lying, they were not telling the truth. They were only telling us what they believed, and I know now that much of what I have been told, especially as a child, was simply false. Politics is more rotten than I ever could have imagined.
Quote from: SGOS on November 05, 2017, 05:51:53 AM
More rotten than we could have ever imagined! I've wondered why this is so. I think it's because the people that fed us the bullshit were well intended but unaware of the truth. Being young we bought the bullshit because our mentors gained nothing by lying to us, so we assumed it was true. But while they were not lying, they were not telling the truth. They were only telling us what they believed, and I know now that much of what I have been told, especially as a child, was simply false. Politics is more rotten than I ever could have imagined.
Like your own colon, politics is. But it is necessary, even if disgusting. Politics is applied kakocracy ... because political science is applied proctology ;-) That is why they tell the citizens ... bend over and cough!
Quote from: Shiranu on November 04, 2017, 01:55:10 PM
While I would love to see the death of the two party system, I think things like this will neither bring the big two down, nor is America ready for something more logical like runoff elections and multiple parties.
To call America's third party options an absolute joke would be an understatement. They generally make the Tea Party branch of the Republican party look rational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJVROcKFnBQ
That was so much like one year ago, the talking heads were right again, except for who won the election ;-))
Trump/Clinton was the only election I ever made an all-nighter out of. My site had an analog meter looking read out thing, much like Pythons Silly Party/Sensible Party meter. As the exit poll results started coming in, the needle pointed solidly to Clinton. As the actual vote count started to come in, Trump leaped ahead, but the needle indicated Clinton even more. This was explained by the fact that the first states had few electoral votes and weren't indicative of the final outcome. As the bigger states started coming in, the two jockeyed back and forth, but the needle was hard on Clinton, like it had broken a spring and flopped all the way over.
The actual votes were fairly even, but the needle was stuck. I started wondering what actually drove the meter. Was it votes, some guy guessing, weeks of previous poll results? The needle always said Clinton, no matter what was actually happening to the counts. A half hour before all the results were in, the needle suddenly went to the center, although the vote count was still even. What was driving the damn needle? Then somewhere nearing the returns from Florida, the meter went to Trump, and stayed there as the commentators went from happily reporting into a trancelike daze.
The whole night made no sense. It was weird. Clearly, I have not yet mastered the art of counting. I'm fairly good at addition and subtraction, but how to count seems to remain beyond my comprehension.
Quote from: SGOS on November 05, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
Trump/Clinton was the only election I ever made an all-nighter out of. My site had an analog meter looking read out thing, much like Pythons Silly Party/Sensible Party meter. As the exit poll results started coming in, the needle pointed solidly to Clinton. As the actual vote count started to come in, Trump leaped ahead, but the needle indicated Clinton even more. This was explained by the fact that the first states had few electoral votes and weren't indicative of the final outcome. As the bigger states started coming in, the two jockeyed back and forth, but the needle was hard on Clinton, like it had broken a spring and flopped all the way over.
The actual votes were fairly even, but the needle was stuck. I started wondering what actually drove the meter. Was it votes, some guy guessing, weeks of previous poll results? The needle always said Clinton, no matter what was actually happening to the counts. A half hour before all the results were in, the needle suddenly went to the center, although the vote count was still even. What was driving the damn needle? Then somewhere nearing the returns from Florida, the meter went to Trump, and stayed there as the commentators went from happily reporting into a trancelike daze.
The whole night made no sense. It was weird. Clearly, I have not yet mastered the art of counting. I'm fairly good at addition and subtraction, but how to count seems to remain beyond my comprehension.
Cointelpro and false flag events. You are in the CIA matrix. The spooks were just messing with you, and millions of other debt/wage slaves.
Quote from: Baruch on November 05, 2017, 10:09:39 AM
Cointelpro and false flag events. You are in the CIA matrix. The spooks were just messing with you, and millions of other debt/wage slaves.
After I posted, I pondered about the screwy meter, and then I remembered that the meter was openly described as a prediction meter, not a vote counter. I have no idea what the components of the predictors were, probably a combination of previous polls and the opinions of talking heads. It did eventually get it right, but not until the votes were actually counted. It was more like a stupid gimmick than an actual tool.
Quote from: SGOS on November 05, 2017, 10:46:28 AM
After I posted, I pondered about the screwy meter, and then I remembered that the meter was openly described as a prediction meter, not a vote counter. I have no idea what the components of the predictors were, probably a combination of previous polls and the opinions of talking heads. It did eventually get it right, but not until the votes were actually counted. It was more like a stupid gimmick than an actual tool.
Maybe. Or was it simply summarizing the output of Ada, the computer program the DNC was using to manage Hillary's victory? Software is completely reliable, just ask Westworld.
Is Trump the Yeltsin of the US, will tanks take on Congress like they did in Moscow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6P7IckXkaY
Quote from: Baruch on November 05, 2017, 01:56:52 PM
Maybe. Or was it simply summarizing the output of Ada, the computer program the DNC was using to manage Hillary's victory? Software is completely reliable, just ask Westworld.
Is Trump the Yeltsin of the US, will tanks take on Congress like they did in Moscow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6P7IckXkaY
Ada was a Pentagon software from the 80s. Named after Ada Lovelace (1815â€"1852), who has been credited with being the first computer programmer. Using Babbage's differential engine machine IIRC.
Yes, that was the older usage. I studied Ada in the 80s, but never got to use it. But the name was re-used for the D-party polling software for last years election. No creativity (how many computer projects are named "genesis"?). Also management that approves these things, are no smarter than the management in Dilbert.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 06:37:19 AM
Yes, that was the older usage. I studied Ada in the 80s, but never got to use it. But the name was re-used for the D-party polling software for last years election. No creativity (how many computer projects are named "genesis"?). Also management that approves these things, are no smarter than the management in Dilbert.
I find it hard to disagree with anyone who reads and understands 'Dilbert'. Who do you identify with best there? I am mostly "Alice". I see you as a cross between Wally and Catbert.
But actually, to the Democratic Party, ADA stands for "Americans for Democratic Action", a PAC seeking donations $5,000 or less.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 06:48:54 AM
I find it hard to disagree with anyone who reads and understands 'Dilbert'. Who do you identify with best there? I am mostly "Alice". I see you as a cross between Wally and Catbert.
But actually, to the Democratic Party, ADA stands for "Americans for Democratic Action", a PAC seeking donations $5,000 or less.
Also "Americans for Disability Act" ... are you disabled?
Here, from your holy scripture ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/09/clintons-data-driven-campaign-relied-heavily-on-an-algorithm-named-ada-what-didnt-she-see/?utm_term=.de5691672ab3
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 06:51:28 AM
Also "Americans for Disability Act" ... are you disabled?
Here, from your holy scripture ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/11/09/clintons-data-driven-campaign-relied-heavily-on-an-algorithm-named-ada-what-didnt-she-see/?utm_term=.de5691672ab3
As I said, named for "Ada, Countess of Lovelace, mathematician"
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 07:13:49 AM
As I said, named for "Ada, Countess of Lovelace, mathematician"
Who was the first denier of AI. Smart girl that. Led Turing by 100 years.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 07:17:06 AM
Who was the first denier of AI. Smart girl that. Led Turing by 100 years.
Interesting that you weren't mentioning her before I did. Nice research though. After-the-fact, but nice...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 07:53:59 AM
Interesting that you weren't mentioning her before I did. Nice research though. After-the-fact, but nice...
Next you will tell me you advised Babbage too ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 07:49:47 PM
Next you will tell me you advised Babbage too ;-)
Nope. I only claim real things.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:50:47 AM
Nope. I only claim real things.
For your self you do. When you prognosticate you are just as bad as all the others. Perception changes the facts to un-facts.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 02:20:36 AM
For your self you do. When you prognosticate you are just as bad as all the others. Perception changes the facts to un-facts.
What you are basically saying is that real news is the same as fake news. I disagree. Real news is facts. "Fake news" is whatever is embarrassing to some person/party/idea.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 02:26:52 AM
What you are basically saying is that real news is the same as fake news. I disagree. Real news is facts. "Fake news" is whatever is embarrassing to some person/party/idea.
You still think that Edward R Murrow, Eric Sevareid and Walter Cronkite types are informing us of publicly important business. That died with the Powell Memo. The results of the Powell Memo and PNAC, over the decades since, has destroyed any faith I have in democracy.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 02:35:54 AM
You still think that Edward R Murrow, Eric Sevareid and Walter Cronkite types are informing us of publicly important business. That died with the Powell Memo. The results of the Powell Memo and PNAC, over the decades since, has destroyed any faith I have in democracy.
I have read the Powell Memo a few times in my life, and I re-read it again today quickly since you mentioned it. It is a general ultra-conservative polemic accusing communists and socialists of taking over the US government. There are few facts involved, just a claim.
If you base your political and social views on such a "nearly Bircher" view, I am sorry for you. It doesn't have to be that way.
There are many people, a majority in fact, who think that a gradual improvement in the lives of all people is a general benefit to humankind. As opposed to the idea that only some people should benefit for society.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 02:47:48 AM
I have read the Powell Memo a few times in my life, and I re-read it again today quickly since you mentioned it. It is a general ultra-conservative polemic accusing communists and socialists of taking over the US government. There are few facts involved, just a claim.
If you base your political and social views on such a "nearly Bircher" view, I am sorry for you. It doesn't have to be that way.
There are many people, a majority in fact, who think that a gradual improvement in the lives of all people is a general benefit to humankind. As opposed to the idea that only some people should benefit for society.
So mid 20th century. Powell wasn't just anyone, he was a Supreme Court Justice. A godfather of the plutocracy ... as was Scalia.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:29:13 AM
So mid 20th century. Powell wasn't just anyone, he was a Supreme Court Justice. A godfather of the plutocracy ... as was Scalia.
Any damn fool lawyer came become a Supreme Court Justice. Just consider Clarence Thomas. And Scalia was a good example of a nut with too much legal experience. One of the smartest idiots I ever read the opinions of.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 10:49:38 AM
Any damn fool lawyer came become a Supreme Court Justice. Just consider Clarence Thomas. And Scalia was a good example of a nut with too much legal experience. One of the smartest idiots I ever read the opinions of.
But ... but .. Thomas is Black so anything he says is gold ... or you aren't a Democrat. Oh yeah, Thomas is a race traitor, because all Blacks are the Uncle Toms of the D party. Why not virtue signal about how bad Whites are and how wonderful Blacks are. I don't have any prejudice ... people are people ... and don't turn your back on them. And it is OK to diss Scalia (in D party rhetoric) because Italian-Americans count as White now, though they didn't 100 years ago.
Once I knew of the Dred Scott case ... I have never looked back on the SCOTUS.
Quote from: SGOS on November 05, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
Trump/Clinton was the only election I ever made an all-nighter out of.
I wish I could say the same. The 2000 election had me on edge on election night and then some.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:54:17 AM
But ... but .. Thomas is Black so anything he says is gold ... or you aren't a Democrat. Oh yeah, Thomas is a race traitor, because all Blacks are the Uncle Toms of the D party. Why not virtue signal about how bad Whites are and how wonderful Blacks are. I don't have any prejudice ... people are people ... and don't turn your back on them. And it is OK to diss Scalia (in D party rhetoric) because Italian-Americans count as White now, though they didn't 100 years ago.
Once I knew of the Dred Scott case ... I have never looked back on the SCOTUS.
SCOTUS made the Dred Scott decision... Which I think you approve of?
The history of the US has been to gradually include immigrant groups to positions of political influence. It saddens me to see you posting in such intolerant ways.
"and don't turn your back on them"? Oh man, the shallow end of the pool has become too deep.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
SCOTUS made the Dred Scott decision... Which I think you approve of?
The history of the US has been to gradually include immigrant groups to positions of political influence. It saddens me to see you posting in such intolerant ways.
"and don't turn your back on them"? Oh man, the shallow end of the pool has become too deep.
You are projecting, that I look like Col Sanders (of fried chicken fame). Sorry, I don't constantly look behind me when out in public. But even my cat scratches me on accident, or deliberately some times ;-) People are much more dangerous.
I would love for a Black Hispanic Trannie Muslim to be the next President. And no, not because I am some fuzzy headed Liberal ;-) Just to make America's head spin around until it comes off. I would vote for Keith Ellison for President in a heartbeat ... in spite of him being a Democrat. At least I don't think he has touched children or taken baksheesh from ME potentates.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 11, 2017, 11:34:14 AM
I wish I could say the same. The 2000 election had me on edge on election night and then some.
Yes, it was weird. And then in 2016 it got weirder ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:39:37 PM
You are projecting, that I look like Col Sanders (of fried chicken fame). Sorry, I don't constantly look behind me when out in public. But even my cat scratches me on accident, or deliberately some times ;-) People are much more dangerous.
I would love for a Black Hispanic Trannie Muslim to be the next President. And no, not because I am some fuzzy headed Liberal ;-) Just to make America's head spin around until it comes off. I would vote for Keith Ellison for President in a heartbeat ... in spite of him being a Democrat. At least I don't think he has touched children or taken baksheesh from ME potentates.
I would prefer a level headed moderate with a moderate Congress as backup. Like me as President and a Congress full of Mes...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:43:03 PM
I would prefer a level headed moderate with a moderate Congress as backup. Like me as President and a Congress full of Mes...
Oops? Yes, moderation at least is saner than immoderation. But that isn't the style these days. The 60s have returned, and mini-skirt politics is hot.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Oops? Yes, moderation at least is saner than immoderation. But that isn't the style these days. The 60s have returned, and mini-skirt politics is hot.
I have to wear a miniskirt? I just got the bell-bottoms recuffed!