During the crisis in Puerto Rico Trump has shown an unparalleled level of incompetence. While the people are in survival mode after the wind of 3 hurricanes, the best Trump can do is say they should be helping themselves. Do we really want an ignoramus in the Whie House? The Constitution gives Congress authority to impeach the president for any reason; no crime necessary.
If the Republitards in Congress are to yellow-bellied to do the right thing and get rid of the worst president in our history, shouldn't we start recalling our representatives.
Quote from: fencerider on September 30, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
During the crisis in Puerto Rico Trump has shown an unparalleled level of incompetence. While the people are in survival mode after the wind of 3 hurricanes, the best Trump can do is say they should be helping themselves. Do we really want an ignoramus in the Whie House? The Constitution gives Congress authority to impeach the president for any reason; no crime necessary.
If the Republitards in Congress are to yellow-bellied to do the right thing and get rid of the worst president in our history, shouldn't we start recalling our representatives.
The best comment I heard on TV this week was not whether Trump knew Puerto Rico was a part of the US last year or last week, but whether he understands it even NOW.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 01:30:19 AM
The best comment I heard on TV this week was not whether Trump knew Puerto Rico was a part of the US last year or last week, but whether he understands it even NOW.
Ouch.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 01:30:19 AM
The best comment I heard on TV this week was not whether Trump knew Puerto Rico was a part of the US last year or last week, but whether he understands it even NOW.
Unclear actually. We gave the people citizenship in 1917, to prevent the German navy from occupying it. But it is a commonwealth, same as Philippines was shortly before WW II ... so no, PR isn't part of the US, it isn't a territory like American Samoa. PR terrorists who tried to assassinate President Truman didn't think it was. Is John McCain an American, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone?
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 10:50:13 AM
Unclear actually. We gave the people citizenship in 1917, to prevent the German navy from occupying it. But it is a commonwealth, same as Philippines was shortly before WW II ... so no, PR isn't part of the US, it isn't a territory like American Samoa. PR terrorists who tried to assassinate President Truman didn't think it was. Is John McCain an American, since he was born in the Panama Canal Zone?
I offer you an informatice quote from Wikipedia:
"Puerto Rican citizenship was first legislated by the United States Congress in Article 7 of the Foraker Act of 1900 and later recognized in the Constitution of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican citizenship existed before the U.S. takeover of the islands of Puerto Rico and continued afterwards. Its affirmative standing was also recognized before and after the creation of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico in 1952. Puerto Rican citizenship was recognized by the United States Congress in the early twentieth century and continues unchanged after the creation of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico."
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
I offer you an informatice quote from Wikipedia:
"Puerto Rican citizenship was first legislated by the United States Congress in Article 7 of the Foraker Act of 1900 and later recognized in the Constitution of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican citizenship existed before the U.S. takeover of the islands of Puerto Rico and continued afterwards. Its affirmative standing was also recognized before and after the creation of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico in 1952. Puerto Rican citizenship was recognized by the United States Congress in the early twentieth century and continues unchanged after the creation of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico."
Error Will Robinson ... we took over Puerto Rico in 1898 in the Spanish American War. So they were US citizens before the US takeover? I think they mean after the Commonwealth was established in 1948-52 by President Truman. Before that the President ruled Puerto Rico as the King of Spain had done previously.
"and the Jones Act of 1917, which made Puerto Ricans U.S. citizens" also from Wikipedia.
I wasnt talking about citizenship. Now that you brought it up I will have to look up citizenship for Puerto Ricans. I don't know the details of the relationship of the U.S. and Puerto Rico, but clearly if we are going to call them a territory we have an obligation to provide emergency assistance for the major disaster they are now in.
Maybe people can overlook Trump being a dumbass while nobody is getting hurt, but nobody should be overlook Trump's behavior in a crisis
Quote from: fencerider on October 02, 2017, 02:30:32 AM
I wasnt talking about citizenship. Now that you brought it up I will have to look up citizenship for Puerto Ricans. I don't know the details of the relationship of the U.S. and Puerto Rico, but clearly if we are going to call them a territory we have an obligation to provide emergency assistance for the major disaster they are now in.
Maybe people can overlook Trump being a dumbass while nobody is getting hurt, but nobody should be overlook Trump's behavior in a crisis
Technically not a territory like Guam. A commonwealth ... think British. But they have the right to secede, unlike California. So we are providing emergency aide .. but if a D does it .. it is great, if an R does it .. sucks to be you. Well, we don't know yet if FEMA etc is as bad this time as Katrina, but they were already dealing with Texas and Florida. So please send all of your ill gotten gain and filthy lucre to a legitimate charity, to help out Puerto Rico. Or shut your TDS up.
Quote from: fencerider on September 30, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
worst president in our history,
Dude, any president from the 80's and earlier would be hated even more than Trump if they were president today. It's not that the current POTUS is the worst - it's that the current political climate is more sensitive to bigotry (perceived or real) than ever before. But as far as policies and public image go, Trump is far more progressive than politicians were 30 years ago.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Dude, any president from the 80's and earlier would be hated even more than Trump if they were president today. It's not that the current POTUS is the worst - it's that the current political climate is more sensitive to bigotry (perceived or real) than ever before. But as far as policies and public image go, Trump is far more progressive than politicians were 30 years ago.
You are so right on! Why just yesterday I saw him (or should it be Him) walking on water.....................
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 02, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
You are so right on! Why just yesterday I saw him (or should it be Him) walking on water.....................
Before you post you should consider whether the content of your would-be post adds more to the forum space than it takes away. You never create dialogue. You just sarcastically agree with everyone who you disagree with.
Here, this would be a good read for you, so you may improve your contributions:
https://alfredmacdonald.com/2012/12/26/dissecting-the-frog-on-sarcastic-paraphrase/
(It's actually a good read for anyone who enjoys argumentation, or anyone who enjoys observing it.)
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
Before you post you should consider whether the content of your would-be post adds more to the forum space than it takes away. You never create dialogue. You just sarcastically agree with everyone who you disagree with.
Here, this would be a good read for you, so you may improve your contributions:
https://alfredmacdonald.com/2012/12/26/dissecting-the-frog-on-sarcastic-paraphrase/
(It's actually a good read for anyone who enjoys argumentation, or anyone who enjoys observing it.)
I would engage you in dialogue except trying to talk to you about your new ruler Trump would be as productive as trying to dissuade a theist their god is a fiction. Why bother?
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 02, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
I would engage you in dialogue except trying to talk to you about your new ruler Trump would be as productive as trying to dissuade a theist their god is a fiction. Why bother?
Saying you won't engage someone in debate on the grounds that their position is unchanging is certainly a good tactic to avoid losing arguments and having to change your position.
But seriously read that page.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Dude, any president from the 80's and earlier would be hated even more than Trump if they were president today. It's not that the current POTUS is the worst - it's that the current political climate is more sensitive to bigotry (perceived or real) than ever before. But as far as policies and public image go, Trump is far more progressive than politicians were 30 years ago.
How soon we forget. Also ... All D presidents were wonderful (said by a D supporter).
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
Before you post you should consider whether the content of your would-be post adds more to the forum space than it takes away. You never create dialogue. You just sarcastically agree with everyone who you disagree with.
Here, this would be a good read for you, so you may improve your contributions:
https://alfredmacdonald.com/2012/12/26/dissecting-the-frog-on-sarcastic-paraphrase/
(It's actually a good read for anyone who enjoys argumentation, or anyone who enjoys observing it.)
I much prefer sarcasm and wit, to decapitation by the Inquisition of the DNC or RNC.
Quote from: Baruch on October 02, 2017, 01:25:31 PM
How soon we forget. Also ... All D presidents were wonderful (said by a D supporter).
As opposed to the genious Presidents; Nixon, Ford, Bush 2, and Trump...
Quote from: fencerider on September 30, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
During the crisis in Puerto Rico Trump has shown an unparalleled level of incompetence. While the people are in survival mode after the wind of 3 hurricanes, the best Trump can do is say they should be helping themselves. Do we really want an ignoramus in the Whie House? The Constitution gives Congress authority to impeach the president for any reason; no crime necessary.
If the Republitards in Congress are to yellow-bellied to do the right thing and get rid of the worst president in our history, shouldn't we start recalling our representatives.
While I'm as anxious as anyone to see the demented Cheeto sent packing back to his tower in NYC, there's a couple reasons I would prefer them to at least wait until the Mueller investigation wraps up.
One, 'high crimes and misdemeanors' is the bar set by the Constitution, and while he's a monumental asshole and complete incompetent, I can't at my most optimistic consider either of those a high crime or misdemeanor. Now, incompetence brings the 25th Amendment into play, but that's for Pence and the Cabinet to implement, not Congress.
Two, impeachment
should be uncommon. The two times it went to the Senate, it was done for political reasons -- House and Senate Republicans simply wanted to get rid of Andrew Johnson, and later Bill Clinton (remember that even Witchfinder General Ken Starr had to ultimately admit that there was no wrongdoing in the Whitewater matter). Nixon short-circuited what was by then his inevitable impeachment and conviction by resigning. House Democrats (unwisely, in my opinion) took impeachment off the table as the lies and criminality over the Iraq invasion began to mount, and they did
that for political reasons -- they didn't want to look like it was retaliation for attempted
coup d'état against Clinton.
Third, I'm not sure I want Pence in charge. He's a religious extremist who's not afraid to try to legislate his religion. And unlike his boss, he's a politician who knows how to get what he wants through a legislature. I certainly don't want him promoted this early in the term, when he has plenty of time to build incumbency before 2020.
So yes, I'm content to await the outcome of the Mueller investigation.
Quote from: trdsf on October 04, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
While I'm as anxious as anyone to see the demented Cheeto sent packing back to his tower in NYC, there's a couple reasons I would prefer them to at least wait until the Mueller investigation wraps up.
One, 'high crimes and misdemeanors' is the bar set by the Constitution, and while he's a monumental asshole and complete incompetent, I can't at my most optimistic consider either of those a high crime or misdemeanor. Now, incompetence brings the 25th Amendment into play, but that's for Pence and the Cabinet to implement, not Congress.
Two, impeachment should be uncommon. The two times it went to the Senate, it was done for political reasons -- House and Senate Republicans simply wanted to get rid of Andrew Johnson, and later Bill Clinton (remember that even Witchfinder General Ken Starr had to ultimately admit that there was no wrongdoing in the Whitewater matter). Nixon short-circuited what was by then his inevitable impeachment and conviction by resigning. House Democrats (unwisely, in my opinion) took impeachment off the table as the lies and criminality over the Iraq invasion began to mount, and they did that for political reasons -- they didn't want to look like it was retaliation for attempted coup d'état against Clinton.
Third, I'm not sure I want Pence in charge. He's a religious extremist who's not afraid to try to legislate his religion. And unlike his boss, he's a politician who knows how to get what he wants through a legislature. I certainly don't want him promoted this early in the term, when he has plenty of time to build incumbency before 2020.
So yes, I'm content to await the outcome of the Mueller investigation.
Causes for impeachment would come FROM the Mueller investigation.
But like Agnew protecting Nixon from impeachment, Pence might also have to go first. I'll admit some uncertainty of that. Pence is (thankfully) not Agnew. A deal for Pence might not be the worst thing.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
Causes for impeachment would come FROM the Mueller investigation.
But like Agnew protecting Nixon from impeachment, Pence might also have to go first. I'll admit some uncertainty of that. Pence is (thankfully) not Agnew. A deal for Pence might not be the worst thing.
Better get Pence first .. otherwise the gays and atheists are going in the ovens ;-( He is a Christian theocrat.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2017, 12:10:48 PM
Causes for impeachment would come FROM the Mueller investigation.
But like Agnew protecting Nixon from impeachment, Pence might also have to go first. I'll admit some uncertainty of that. Pence is (thankfully) not Agnew. A deal for Pence might not be the worst thing.
My point exactly. Going for a removal now is pointless. Let's wait for the Mueller investigation to give us real crimes and misdemeanors. Mere assholitude is not an impeachable offense (neither is a blowjob, but the GOP was desperate to get even with a Democrat who dared win elections).
I'd almost rather Pence *were* Agnew -- crooked to the core so he could be sidelined. Pence is politician enough to get his extremist religious agenda through a GOP congress that's having trouble uniting behind Asshole because he can talk their language and cut the kind deals that are necessary. Congress doesn't like being ordered around the way Asshole does it, especially not by tweet. If he weren't so profoundly self-absorbed and immature, the damage he could have done by now is immense.
In some ways, having him stick around is almost (ALMOST!!) preferable, since with his psychotically unpredictable hand at the helm, he'll have an awful time accomplishing anything. Pence could get his christofascist agenda enacted, while Asshole can't.
Quote from: trdsf on October 04, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
My point exactly. Going for a removal now is pointless. Let's wait for the Mueller investigation to give us real crimes and misdemeanors. Mere assholitude is not an impeachable offense (neither is a blowjob, but the GOP was desperate to get even with a Democrat who dared win elections).
I'd almost rather Pence *were* Agnew -- crooked to the core so he could be sidelined. Pence is politician enough to get his extremist religious agenda through a GOP congress that's having trouble uniting behind Asshole because he can talk their language and cut the kind deals that are necessary. Congress doesn't like being ordered around the way Asshole does it, especially not by tweet. If he weren't so profoundly self-absorbed and immature, the damage he could have done by now is immense.
In some ways, having him stick around is almost (ALMOST!!) preferable, since with his psychotically unpredictable hand at the helm, he'll have an awful time accomplishing anything. Pence could get his christofascist agenda enacted, while Asshole can't.
Hillary taking a $1 million dollar bribe from Qatar ... is an impeachable offense against a Secretary of State.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Dude, any president from the 80's and earlier would be hated even more than Trump if they were president today. It's not that the current POTUS is the worst - it's that the current political climate is more sensitive to bigotry (perceived or real) than ever before. But as far as policies and public image go, Trump is far more progressive than politicians were 30 years ago.
It's not just bigotry... Donald Trump's actual policies have been deplorable as well. At least most previous politicians were either terrible people but decent politicians or they were great people but terrible politicians... Donald Trump is both just a shitty human being and an unbelievably incompetent politician and statesman. I think you really have to dig deep and go to presidents like Grant, John Tyler, Fillmore, Andrew Johnson,Harding to find the last time we had such a failure of a president, and we aren't even a full year into his reign yet.
Mind you, the "worst" presidents who were highly unpopular overwhelmingly all came before the 1980's (Bush Jr. is the exception to the rule), so your statement that it's the sensitivity of modern society doesn't really seem to hold much factual basis to it and instead is more just stereotyping the younger generations to try and defend your man as well as just seems like a desperate attempt at blaming anyone other than your guy for why people don't like him. At a certain point, you just have to face the music and say he is just the living embodiment of douchery.
And let's cut the bullshit, it's not "perceived" bigotry from Trump; if his statements and actions do not fit the bill of being a bigot, than it's time we retire that word from the English language because it's clear it has lost any meaning.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 05, 2017, 12:58:45 AM
It's not just bigotry... Donald Trump's actual policies have been deplorable as well. At least most previous politicians were either terrible people but decent politicians or they were great people but terrible politicians... Donald Trump is both just a shitty human being and an unbelievably incompetent politician and statesman. I think you really have to dig deep and go to presidents like Grant, John Tyler, Fillmore, Andrew Johnson,Harding to find the last time we had such a failure of a president, and we aren't even a full year into his reign yet.
Mind you, the "worst" presidents who were highly unpopular overwhelmingly all came before the 1980's (Bush Jr. is the exception to the rule), so your statement that it's the sensitivity of modern society doesn't really seem to hold much factual basis to it and instead is more just stereotyping the younger generations to try and defend your man as well as just seems like a desperate attempt at blaming anyone other than your guy for why people don't like him. At a certain point, you just have to face the music and say he is just the living embodiment of douchery.
And let's cut the bullshit, it's not "perceived" bigotry from Trump; if his statements and actions do not fit the bill of being a bigot, than it's time we retire that word from the English language because it's clear it has lost any meaning.
See, if you don't like a politician, don't vote for them again, if you ever did. End of story. That is all you get to do as a citizen, sometimes. And focus on the real power, Congress.
Quote from: Baruch on October 05, 2017, 12:19:57 AM
Hillary taking a $1 million dollar bribe from Qatar ... is an impeachable offense against a Secretary of State.
Evidence please...
Quote from: Shiranu on October 05, 2017, 12:58:45 AM
It's not just bigotry... Donald Trump's actual policies have been deplorable as well. At least most previous politicians were either terrible people but decent politicians or they were great people but terrible politicians... Donald Trump is both just a shitty human being and an unbelievably incompetent politician and statesman. I think you really have to dig deep and go to presidents like Grant, John Tyler, Fillmore, Andrew Johnson,Harding to find the last time we had such a failure of a president, and we aren't even a full year into his reign yet.
Mind you, the "worst" presidents who were highly unpopular overwhelmingly all came before the 1980's (Bush Jr. is the exception to the rule), so your statement that it's the sensitivity of modern society doesn't really seem to hold much factual basis to it and instead is more just stereotyping the younger generations to try and defend your man as well as just seems like a desperate attempt at blaming anyone other than your guy for why people don't like him. At a certain point, you just have to face the music and say he is just the living embodiment of douchery.
And let's cut the bullshit, it's not "perceived" bigotry from Trump; if his statements and actions do not fit the bill of being a bigot, than it's time we retire that word from the English language because it's clear it has lost any meaning.
No actually, Trump is far more insane than any other President in our history. Any rational and objective view suggests it. Even Nixon actually intended to govern. Trump is off in Never-Never Land. And I don't say that happily or lightly. I wish he was just manipulative. Presidents can function that way. He is just plain nuts!
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 04:05:32 AM
No actually, Trump is far more insane than any other President in our history. Any rational and objective view suggests it. Even Nixon actually intended to govern. Trump is off in Never-Never Land. And I don't say that happily or lightly. I wish he was just manipulative. Presidents can function that way. He is just plain nuts!
He is just plain nuts! ... says Mr Peanut ;-)
Trump is the anti-Christ ... claims atheist ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 05:42:49 PM
He is just plain nuts! ... says Mr Peanut ;-)
Trump is the anti-Christ ... claims atheist ;-))
So wrong again. Atheists have no more belief in an anti-christ than a christ. Both are superstitions we do not pay attention to.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 10:25:47 PM
So wrong again. Atheists have no more belief in an anti-christ than a christ. Both are superstitions we do not pay attention to.
Your SQ (Satire Quotient) is really low. You are not color blind, you are smiley blind ...
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 10:27:41 PM
Your SQ (Satire Quotient) is really low. You are not color blind, you are smiley blind ...
Rational people are often very literal. But you are right, I missed the smiley. That said, I bet you meant it.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 10:30:31 PM
Rational people are often very literal. But you are right, I missed the smiley. That said, I bet you meant it.
We all have bad days.
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 10:40:42 PM
We all have bad days.
But some of us have reasons, My TV blinked off, the car timing belt needs to be replaced, and I burned my mouth on a home-made pizza.
What is your "bad day"?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 11:06:29 PM
But some of us have reasons, My TV blinked off, the car timing belt needs to be replaced, and I burned my mouth on a home-made pizza.
What is your "bad day"?
That is a pretty bad day. Hope you can fix your pizza eating timing, find your belt to hold your pants up, and learn to live without the idiot box.
Quote from: Baruch on October 09, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
That is a pretty bad day. Hope you can fix your pizza eating timing, find your belt to hold your pants up, and learn to live without the idiot box.
I'm a suspender guy. My car is a timing belt type of mechanism. And I use the "idiot box" mostly to watch science, nature, and history DVDs. Congrats, another 0 for 3 try...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 11, 2017, 02:13:04 AM
I'm a suspender guy. My car is a timing belt type of mechanism. And I use the "idiot box" mostly to watch science, nature, and history DVDs. Congrats, another 0 for 3 try...
Takes an idiot to know an idiot box ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 11, 2017, 07:14:01 AM
Takes an idiot to know an idiot box ;-)
If watching science, nature, and history DVDs on the "idiot box" makes me an idiot, I will stand tall and proud.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 11, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
If watching science, nature, and history DVDs on the "idiot box" makes me an idiot, I will stand tall and proud.
You are using a technology ... not TV. TV is for vidiots. They only put good stuff on, because it won't fit on Youtube.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on October 02, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
Dude, any president from the 80's and earlier would be hated even more than Trump if they were president today. It's not that the current POTUS is the worst - it's that the current political climate is more sensitive to bigotry (perceived or real) than ever before. But as far as policies and public image go, Trump is far more progressive than politicians were 30 years ago.
I would say he is not yet the worst SCROTUS of all time, but it's only been a few months.
What I will say is that if he was able to get one or two of the things he wanted, for example:
A repeal of the ACA with no real replacement
An unencumbered agenda to silence dissent, the media in particular
A fetish for nuclear proliferation
A fetish to make NK and perhaps a few more places uninhabitable
An unencumbered agenda to kick people out of the country
Then not only would he be the worst President in history, he could be in the running for the most terrible leader of all time in any context.
Quote from: trdsf on October 04, 2017, 11:51:04 AM
'high crimes and misdemeanors' is the bar set by the Constitution
well I had to go read the Constitution again. You had me thinkng I slipped into an alternate universe... The Constitution makes it a requirement to impeach for treason, bribery, or high crimes. (In other words there are a lot of things that Congress can choose to let somone get away with, but they can’t overlook these particular things) No where does the Constitution say that these are the only reasons to impeach an elected official.
Mueller investigation: something makes me think Mueller is trying to lock Trump up for 100 years. Hey Mueller you only need to get 10 years. He is already an old fart.
I like that term assholitude :-D
Quote from: fencerider on October 17, 2017, 04:55:00 AM
well I had to go read the Constitution again. You had me thinkng I slipped into an alternate universe... The Constitution makes it a requirement to impeach for treason, bribery, or high crimes. (In other words there are a lot of things that Congress can choose to let somone get away with, but they can’t overlook these particular things) No where does the Constitution say that these are the only reasons to impeach an elected official.
Mueller investigation: something makes me think Mueller is trying to lock Trump up for 100 years. Hey Mueller you only need to get 10 years. He is already an old fart.
I like that term assholitude :-D
One of the key aspects of governance is ... selective enforcement. Particularly if an agency is its own reviewer. This is hard to avoid with Congress. Don't ask me ... I would impeach all of them, not just the one's I voted for, but definitely all those I didn't vote for.
Quote from: fencerider on October 17, 2017, 04:55:00 AM
well I had to go read the Constitution again. You had me thinkng I slipped into an alternate universe... The Constitution makes it a requirement to impeach for treason, bribery, or high crimes. (In other words there are a lot of things that Congress can choose to let somone get away with, but they can’t overlook these particular things) No where does the Constitution say that these are the only reasons to impeach an elected official.
Mueller investigation: something makes me think Mueller is trying to lock Trump up for 100 years. Hey Mueller you only need to get 10 years. He is already an old fart.
I like that term assholitude :-D
You're right, I had forgotten treason and bribery. But I don't think either of those are likely charges.
I don't mind Mueller going for a 100 year sentence -- if he has enough for a sentence like that, then at least *some* of it will stick. And we only really need one charge for a successful impeachment. Alternately, if he has enough for a sentence like that then perhaps, as in 1974, the GOP will realize continued support is untenable and at the very least not stand in the way.
Quote from: trdsf on October 17, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
You're right, I had forgotten treason and bribery. But I don't think either of those are likely charges.
I don't mind Mueller going for a 100 year sentence -- if he has enough for a sentence like that, then at least *some* of it will stick. And we only really need one charge for a successful impeachment. Alternately, if he has enough for a sentence like that then perhaps, as in 1974, the GOP will realize continued support is untenable and at the very least not stand in the way.
More stuff came out today, on the Russian uranium deal, that the FBI sat on, involving OK by Obama, massive bribery by Russian interests, and a giant bribe to the Clinton Foundation. Yes, only Republicans are evil ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 11, 2017, 08:08:12 PM
You are using a technology ... not TV. TV is for vidiots. They only put good stuff on, because it won't fit on Youtube.
Wow, talk about misunderstanding! You should see the 2 shelves of my Science/Nature/History DVDs.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 18, 2017, 02:03:51 AM
Wow, talk about misunderstanding! You should see the 2 shelves of my Science/Nature/History DVDs.
You probably still have a VCR ... stone tablet much? ;-) You are supposed to stream everything now, so that NSA can watch you as you watch it.
Quote from: Baruch on October 18, 2017, 07:14:00 AM
You probably still have a VCR ... stone tablet much? ;-) You are supposed to stream everything now, so that NSA can watch you as you watch it.
I have a VCR. Its the only way I can watch the original Disney Fantasia.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 18, 2017, 09:57:47 AM
I have a VCR. Its the only way I can watch the original Disney Fantasia.
But ... but ... you like boring literal facts, and hate all fiction and art, right?
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
More stuff came out today, on the Russian uranium deal, that the FBI sat on, involving OK by Obama, massive bribery by Russian interests, and a giant bribe to the Clinton Foundation. Yes, only Republicans are evil ;-)
I was day dreaming while driving. On wed or thurs Steel and Ungar on the XM had some expert on on the subject. I want to try to get the podcast because the Uranium deal with Russia was as bad as it gets. Apparently all locked up in contracts that can not be changed... I’m glad I didnt vote for Hillary either. (thats right boys and girls, I didnt vote for Trump or Hillary. I voted against them both.)
Selling our uranium to Russia is as stupid as Obama giving fighter aircraft to Egypt after the government we made a deal with was overthrown by military coup
Quote from: fencerider on October 22, 2017, 04:11:33 AM
I was day dreaming while driving. On wed or thurs Steel and Ungar on the XM had some expert on on the subject. I want to try to get the podcast because the Uranium deal with Russia was as bad as it gets. Apparently all locked up in contracts that can not be changed... I’m glad I didnt vote for Hillary either. (thats right boys and girls, I didnt vote for Trump or Hillary. I voted against them both.)
Selling our uranium to Russia is as stupid as Obama giving fighter aircraft to Egypt after the government we made a deal with was overthrown by military coup
Contracts are inviolate (but citizenship isn't). How convenient is that? See Cyprus, Greece and Catalonia. I am starting to like the French/Russian revolution more.
But ... but ... everything is proven if a R-thug does it, but if a D-thug does it, then if you weren't in the room when Obama and Hillary and Putin cut their palms and made a blood oath ... then it is fake news. Corruption isn't partisan. Using partisanship to cock-block law enforcement is ... suicidal. If we refuse to enforce laws ... then passing more laws won't help (same problem with legalized prostitution ... that we assume that regulations will be enforced).
Quote from: Baruch on October 18, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
But ... but ... you like boring literal facts, and hate all fiction and art, right?
I live by facts. But I can also indulge in the "willing suspension of disbelief" for some entertainment. WHEN I choose AND recognizing I am doing it. Understanding the factual world does not mean that fiction is not a part of the realm of the mind.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 23, 2017, 03:22:11 AM
I live by facts. But I can also indulge in the "willing suspension of disbelief" for some entertainment. WHEN I choose AND recognizing I am doing it. Understanding the factual world does not mean that fiction is not a part of the realm of the mind.
Glad you clarified that. Now about this delusion about being a bear ...
Quote from: Baruch on October 23, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
Glad you clarified that. Now about this delusion about being a bear ...
The cavebear symbolism suits me. Slow to rouse and quick to anger. Hits hard. Want to discuss the symbolism of "baruch"?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 27, 2017, 03:31:22 AM
The cavebear symbolism suits me. Slow to rouse and quick to anger. Hits hard. Want to discuss the symbolism of "baruch"?
First modern man, first modern Jew ... not an animal.
Quote from: Baruch on October 27, 2017, 01:43:46 PM
First modern man, first modern Jew ... not an animal.
I didn't realize "baruch" was nearly 200,000 years old! Or that jews went back so far too. Must have awkward when the hunters roasted a pig.... Salad in the cave for one?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 27, 2017, 02:06:59 PM
I didn't realize "baruch" was nearly 200,000 years old! Or that jews went back so far too. Must have awkward when the hunters roasted a pig.... Salad in the cave for one?
If a pre-Cro-Magnon is modern to you, then your iPhone must be way ... out of date ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 28, 2017, 04:32:49 AM
If a pre-Cro-Magnon is modern to you, then your iPhone must be way ... out of date ;-)
I have a simple cordless phone with NoMoRoBo, and it works just fine for me, thank you very much. Unless I am expecting a call from a contractor, all the other calls are just junk to be deleted daily.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 31, 2017, 12:58:47 AM
I have a simple cordless phone with NoMoRoBo, and it works just fine for me, thank you very much. Unless I am expecting a call from a contractor, all the other calls are just junk to be deleted daily.
I screen calls too. Simple enough even a cave man can do it (posting this from my man cave).
Quote from: Baruch on October 31, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
I screen calls too. Simple enough even a cave man can do it (posting this from my man cave).
How many calls per day do you answer? I am nearing 0.1.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 31, 2017, 08:46:50 AM
How many calls per day do you answer? I am nearing 0.1.
Not counting work calls, and texts, I am about where you are. I keep a land line just as a honey pot for salesmen, pollsters and bill collectors.
I dont answer numbers I dont know. But afterwards I try to call back to see what happens. If I call back and its D/C I know its a scam artist. If I call back and its some business I dont know I assume its a telemarketer. Either way I save the number and then block it. Makes it nice and quiet. After the first time they call, they may call again, but the phone doesnt ring anymore. :-D
I got a simple system for saving the numbers
scammer 1
scammer 2
telemarketer 1
telemarketer 2
my old phone had 33 telemarketer numbers. before the smart phone let me block the numbers, I just looked at the name on the screen and said I aint answering **-*
Quote from: fencerider on October 22, 2017, 04:11:33 AM
I was day dreaming while driving. On wed or thurs Steel and Ungar on the XM had some expert on on the subject. I want to try to get the podcast because the Uranium deal with Russia was as bad as it gets. Apparently all locked up in contracts that can not be changed... I’m glad I didnt vote for Hillary either. (thats right boys and girls, I didnt vote for Trump or Hillary. I voted against them both.)
You strike me as liberal-leaning (at least that's what I garnered from your posts -- do correct me if I'm wrong). Did you really think the best time to make a principled stand was during the same election year we had a vacancy in the Supreme Court (which was prevented from being filled by GOP for a year), and potentially even more should Kennedy or another justice resign? Anyways, it's the past now.
Quote from: fencerider on October 22, 2017, 04:11:33 AMSelling our uranium to Russia is as stupid as Obama giving fighter aircraft to Egypt after the government we made a deal with was overthrown by military coup
This needs to be addressed because it's bullshit:
QuoteThe claim that Clinton gave 20 percent of America’s uranium to Russia is incorrect and clearly misleading. Trump is referring to Russia’s nuclear power agency purchasing a majority stake in a Toronto-based energy company between 2009 and 2013. The company had mines and land in a number of US states with huge uranium production capacity â€" a move the US State Department signed off on. But PolitiFact did a thorough fact-check of the claim last year when Trump first made it on the campaign trail, and found the following faults with it:
1. The mines, mills, and land the company holds in the US account for 20 percent of the US’s uranium production capacity, not actual produced uranium.
2. The State Department was one of nine federal agencies and a number of additional independent federal and state regulators that signed off on the deal.
3. President Obama, not Secretary Clinton, was the only person who could’ve vetoed the deal.
4. Since Russia doesn’t have the legal right to export uranium out of the US, its main goal was likely to gain access to the company’s uranium assets in Kazakhstan.
5. Crucially, the main national security concern was not about nuclear weapons proliferation, as Trump suggests, but actually ensuring the US doesn’t have to depend too much on uranium sources from abroad, as the US only makes about 20 percent of the uranium it needs. An advantage in making nuclear weapons wasn’t the main issue because, as PolitiFact notes, “the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.â€
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/17/14649980/trump-clinton-russia-uranium
Secretary of State or any member of CFIUS cannot veto the transaction:
"Only the President has the authority to suspend or prohibit a covered transaction" (top of 74569)
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/foreign-investment/Documents/CFIUSGuidance.pdf
No uranium ever left the US, nor can it ever leave, according to a statement by Nuclear Regulatory Commission:
QuoteNRC’s review of the transfer of control request determined that the U.S. subsidiaries will remain the licensees, will remain qualified to conduct the uranium recovery operations, and will continue to have the equipment, facilities, and procedures necessary to protect public health and safety and to minimize danger to life or property. The review also determined that the licensees will maintain adequate financial surety for eventual decommissioning of the sites. Neither Uranium One nor ARMZ holds an NRC export license, so no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.
Also, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP04_TVbW8k
The deal was done on the up and up, requiring multi-agency review and approval. No criminal conspiracy whatsoever. Just standard policy practiced out in the open; it's your right to disagree with this policy, of course.
Now, question to you and others: Any fact-based argument as to why the transaction should have been stopped? I have yet to hear/read a convincing argument in answer to this question.
If the Narrative is ... Russia is Evil ... then the DNC etc is Russian agents.
Meanwhile, if we are selling the US to the Chinese Communist Party already, why not sell the crumbs to Putin? The Americans are slaves. Get back to picking that cotton, you DNC troll ;-)
Quote from: fencerider on November 03, 2017, 12:35:44 AM
I dont answer numbers I dont know. But afterwards I try to call back to see what happens. If I call back and its D/C I know its a scam artist. If I call back and its some business I dont know I assume its a telemarketer. Either way I save the number and then block it. Makes it nice and quiet. After the first time they call, they may call again, but the phone doesnt ring anymore. :-D
I got a simple system for saving the numbers
scammer 1
scammer 2
telemarketer 1
telemarketer 2
my old phone had 33 telemarketer numbers. before the smart phone let me block the numbers, I just looked at the name on the screen and said I aint answering **-*
I used to block calls. But, when blocked, they seem to shift to new numbers. I can block a few dozen numbers, but it doesn't seem to be worth the effort. They just use new ones.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 04, 2017, 12:59:33 AM
I used to block calls. But, when blocked, they seem to shift to new numbers. I can block a few dozen numbers, but it doesn't seem to be worth the effort. They just use new ones.
I use an app called Mr Number. It does a pretty good job of filtering out the cocksucking sacks of shit who need to die agonizingly... er, filtering out phone scammers. It has a good block list and lets me add to it.
Quote from: trdsf on November 04, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
I use an app called Mr Number. It does a pretty good job of filtering out the cocksucking sacks of shit who need to die agonizingly... er, filtering out phone scammers. It has a good block list and lets me add to it.
What techs can Mr Number be used with?
Sylar: I meant that I wasn’t paying attention when a good conversation about the uranium deal was going on. If I had been paying attention I would know as much about it as you do.
I didn’t make any stand on principal in the election. There was no way I was going to vote for Hillary even if she was the only candidate on the ballot. Personally I thought Jill Stein was a better candidate than Hillary or Trump. Everyone should be voting for who they think is best not who is most likely to win.
Quote from: fencerider on November 04, 2017, 05:25:08 AM
Sylar: I meant that I wasn’t paying attention when a good conversation about the uranium deal was going on. If I had been paying attention I would know as much about it as you do.
I didn’t make any stand on principal in the election. There was no way I was going to vote for Hillary even if she was the only candidate on the ballot. Personally I thought Jill Stein was a better candidate than Hillary or Trump. Everyone should be voting for who they think is best not who is most likely to win.
While I agree with you on principle, there is also the matter on trying to make sure the worst candidate does not win. I voted for Clinton to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, even THAT did not work. And now we have Trump in his full inglorious existence...
If you voted for Stein, you may have helped elect Trump...
Quote from: fencerider on November 04, 2017, 05:25:08 AM
Sylar: I meant that I wasn’t paying attention when a good conversation about the uranium deal was going on. If I had been paying attention I would know as much about it as you do.
I didn’t make any stand on principal in the election. There was no way I was going to vote for Hillary even if she was the only candidate on the ballot. Personally I thought Jill Stein was a better candidate than Hillary or Trump. Everyone should be voting for who they think is best not who is most likely to win.
Correct, except Jill Stein (cough) showed she could be bought by Hillary after the election. You should have voted for Gary Johnson ;-)
I don't think anyone knew about the Uranium One deal until quite recently ... the conspirators (Obama, Hillary, Mueller, Putin ...) suppressed the whistle blowers.
Remember it is only a lie when an R person lies about yellow cake (Bush), but it is the truth when a D person lies about yellow cake (Obama).
Quote from: Cavebear on November 04, 2017, 05:35:24 AM
While I agree with you on principle, there is also the matter on trying to make sure the worst candidate does not win. I voted for Clinton to defeat Trump. Unfortunately, even THAT did not work. And now we have Trump in his full inglorious existence...
If you voted for Stein, you may have helped elect Trump...
Other people here, at the time, said that. I would de-citizen anyone who says what you just said. Vote your conscience, or choose not to vote. Both are legal. Making something "implicitly" illegal to suite political ideology ... is insane. How about ... one party, one candidate, one vote ... Big Clinton will tell you who to vote for. Hillary Clinton was and still is a monster. Donald Trump is no gentleman, and probably cheats on his taxes and does crooked business deals. They are actually the same ... grifters ... operating in different arenas. Trump was chosen by the DNC, Hillary and MSM to be the R party candidate, in order to shoe-in the election for Her. But now we find out, the Clinton Criminal Syndicate had already taken over the DNC before the election even started, because Obama left it millions of dollars in the hole. Then thru ... whatever means ... money appeared after being money laundered by the Clinton Foundation, to pay off the DNC debt. Then 99% of all state level D party fund raising, went to Her, only crumbs went back to elect local Democrats. Hence their poor showing, and the failure to get Electoral College votes in key states that were a shoe in, like Wisconsin. Now everyone who wasn't already a Hillarybot, in the D party of self destruction, is being purged. The Clinton Crime Syndicate will never let their claws loose from the D party. They intend to rule it in perpetuity, like the Bush Crime Syndicate does with the R party. Both Bush and Clinton ... Carlyle Group and CIA. The Clintons are trojan horses ... R party members ... all the way back to college. Hired on the long term plan to infiltrate and destroy the D party. I sure hope they are successful ... even though I have no love for the R party.
Quote from: fencerider on November 04, 2017, 05:25:08 AM
Sylar: I meant that I wasn’t paying attention when a good conversation about the uranium deal was going on. If I had been paying attention I would know as much about it as you do.
I didn’t make any stand on principal in the election. There was no way I was going to vote for Hillary even if she was the only candidate on the ballot. Personally I thought Jill Stein was a better candidate than Hillary or Trump. Everyone should be voting for who they think is best not who is most likely to win.
Everyone is free to vote for who they think is best -- that is absolutely a given. I guess I am a bit more pragmatic and goal-oriented. Clinton (or even Trump, despite being an imbecile) as people did not matter to me. What mattered was policy. I chose to elect the person who resembled most my policy preference AND was somewhat capable of winning in order to eventually implement said policy. That's why even if I preferred Stein over Clinton, I could never vote for the former, because that would be like throwing away my vote. Stein's sure-loss helps me accomplish nothing.
I have always been an independent voter -- this was the first year ever I registered as a Democrat, just so I can elect Bernie in the California Primary. Previously, I've voted for Democrats or Republicans in local or state elections, depending on the candidate.
Meanwhile trumph has picked Sam Clovis as head "scientist" at the agriculture department.. What a fucking winner this asswipe is.. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/01/politics/kfile-sam-clovis-newsletters/?iid=ob_mobile_article_footer_expansion Read it and weep.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 04, 2017, 01:20:17 AM
What techs can Mr Number be used with?
I'm using it on Android; I think there's an iOS version too.
Quote from: Sylar on November 05, 2017, 04:36:39 AM
Everyone is free to vote for who they think is best -- that is absolutely a given. I guess I am a bit more pragmatic and goal-oriented. Clinton (or even Trump, despite being an imbecile) as people did not matter to me. What mattered was policy. I chose to elect the person who resembled most my policy preference AND was somewhat capable of winning in order to eventually implement said policy. That's why even if I preferred Stein over Clinton, I could never vote for the former, because that would be like throwing away my vote. Stein's sure-loss helps me accomplish nothing.
I have always been an independent voter -- this was the first year ever I registered as a Democrat, just so I can elect Bernie in the California Primary. Previously, I've voted for Democrats or Republicans in local or state elections, depending on the candidate.
If I thought a 3rd party could garner 34% of the electoral votes I would give it a try.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 03:07:08 AM
If I thought a 3rd party could garner 34% of the electoral votes I would give it a try.
And that is why you are still a D-R bitch. Think of the US as a two-headed Stockholm Hostage.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 06:33:22 AM
And that is why you are still a D-R bitch. Think of the US as a two-headed Stockholm Hostage.
You can't treat anything seriously, can you? The idea of a 3rd party has historical roots in US politics. There were Whigs, No-Nothings, Unionists, Bull Moose, Progressive, etc parties in our history. The Republicans were a 3rd Party once. In fact, they might become a 3rd Party again.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 06:38:29 AM
You can't treat anything seriously, can you? The idea of a 3rd party has historical roots in US politics. There were Whigs, No-Nothings, Unionists, Bull Moose, Progressive, etc parties in our history. The Republicans were a 3rd Party once. In fact, they might become a 3rd Party again.
Whigs were the 2nd party. Democrat-republicans (renamed Democrats) were the 1st party (contrary to Federalists like the first two Presidents). The D-R party was created by Jefferson as a counter move to the coup de etat staged in 1787. Whigs were a counter move to the creation of the D-R party, as pro-England (mostly NY and New England). South of Mason-Dixon, there were too many Scotch-Irish for there to be any nostalgia for Britain. This still infects our politics today, hence the "Special Relationship" across "The Pond". Sorry, No-Nothings were not a serious party like the Whigs ... who got renamed Republicans ... and from there the D-R party had to become just Democrat ... but there is that underlying collusion between the two, in name origin, as well as in fact.
Quote from: Baruch on November 07, 2017, 06:42:50 AM
Whigs were the 2nd party. Democrat-republicans (renamed Democrats) were the 1st party (contrary to Federalists like the first two Presidents). The D-R party was created by Jefferson as a counter move to the coup de etat staged in 1787. Whigs were a counter move to the creation of the D-R party, as pro-England (mostly NY and New England). South of Mason-Dixon, there were too many Scotch-Irish for there to be any nostalgia for Britain. This still infects our politics today, hence the "Special Relationship" across "The Pond". Sorry, No-Nothings were not a serious party like the Whigs ... who got renamed Republicans ... and from there the D-R party had to become just Democrat ... but there is that underlying collusion between the two, in name origin, as well as in fact.
Yes, I know about the Democrat-Republicans. Rolls-eyes...
I mentioned the No-Nothings as a 3rd party, which they were and where this discussion started. You actually can only either make weak jokes or state the obvious apparently.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 07, 2017, 08:02:28 AM
Yes, I know about the Democrat-Republicans. Rolls-eyes...
I mentioned the No-Nothings as a 3rd party, which they were and where this discussion started. You actually can only either make weak jokes or state the obvious apparently.
False equivalence. Same time period ... anti-Masonic party. So that proves that Bill Clinton is Illuminati, yes?
Quote from: Sylar on November 05, 2017, 04:36:39 AM
Everyone is free to vote for who they think is best -- that is absolutely a given. I guess I am a bit more pragmatic and goal-oriented.
I think that if everyone was voting for their own best choice not who they thought could win that there would be no way in hell that Trump would have gotten chosen. Herman Cain is a genius compared to this Orange Dumbunny
Quote from: fencerider on November 09, 2017, 12:28:14 AM
I think that if everyone was voting for their own best choice not who they thought could win that there would be no way in hell that Trump would have gotten chosen. Herman Cain is a genius compared to this Orange Dumbunny
At this point, voting by party is dumb. Sorry fellow Atheistforum people. Nixon vs HHH or Nixon vs McGovern wasn't a good choice either, this isn't new. Johnson vs Goldwater? Sheesh, two choices of death.
Quote from: Baruch on November 09, 2017, 05:23:56 AM
At this point, voting by party is dumb. Sorry fellow Atheistforum people. Nixon vs HHH or Nixon vs McGovern wasn't a good choice either, this isn't new. Johnson vs Goldwater? Sheesh, two choices of death.
HHH would have been a better choice over Nixon in 1968, Nixon was a better choice over McGovern in 1972 for general political leadership , Johnson was a better choice over Goldwater in 1964. But I voted for McGovern because I knew Nixon was a slimy bastard. And ethics matter.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 12:45:48 AM
HHH would have been a better choice over Nixon in 1968, Nixon was a better choice over McGovern in 1972 for general political leadership , Johnson was a better choice over Goldwater in 1964. But I voted for McGovern because I knew Nixon was a slimy bastard. And ethics matter.
I agree, ethics matters ... hence my non-support for the Clintons after 1994. But on that basis, it is very hard to be politically active. Only Machiavelli rules in politics.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 02:09:35 AM
I agree, ethics matters ... hence my non-support for the Clintons after 1994. But on that basis, it is very hard to be politically active. Only Machiavelli rules in politics.
See, that's where equivalency fails. Bill Clinton had weird consensual not-quite-sex with a adult female and the Republicans went crazy about it.
But Trump brags about groping women routinely ("because he can") and intrudes in their dressing rooms and Moore is assaulting a 14 year old girl and they "circle the wagons" to protect them. Both were wrong, but the hypocrisy is amazing.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 04:03:13 AM
See, that's where equivalency fails. Bill Clinton had weird consensual not-quite-sex with a adult female and the Republicans went crazy about it.
But Trump brags about groping women routinely ("because he can") and intrudes in their dressing rooms and Moore is assaulting a 14 year old girl and they "circle the wagons" to protect them. Both were wrong, but the hypocrisy is amazing.
I think that D people secretly want to jet to that private island with Bill, and diddle underage girls, or in a private 747 while over international waters. Disgusting. And I don't support Trump. And yes, politicians are a lot worse than hypocritical. WW III is coming. There are too many people, that is why "rent is too damn high" ... well nukes will solve that little problem.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 10:48:24 AM
I think that D people secretly want to jet to that private island with Bill, and diddle underage girls, or in a private 747 while over international waters. Disgusting. And I don't support Trump. And yes, politicians are a lot worse than hypocritical. WW III is coming. There are too many people, that is why "rent is too damn high" ... well nukes will solve that little problem.
I really do appreciate that you have become more honest and direct. Unfortunately, your honesty and directness doen't make me think more highly of you. Your opinions are drifting further into ultra-conservative thinking.
Democrats do not generally want to join your imagined jet flight to a private island of immorality.
More sadly, you are engaged in a world of 20 years ago that didn't even exist then.
And "WW III is coming. There are too many people, that is why 'rent is too damn high' ... well nukes will solve that little problem". Are you having a rent problem? Or is it too many "damn immigrants"? Do you want a nuclear war to reduce the world population? Of whom?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 11:01:46 AM
I really do appreciate that you have become more honest and direct. Unfortunately, your honesty and directness doen't make me think more highly of you. Your opinions are drifting further into ultra-conservative thinking.
Democrats do not generally want to join your imagined jet flight to a private island of immorality.
More sadly, you are engaged in a world of 20 years ago that didn't even exist then.
And "WW III is coming. There are too many people, that is why 'rent is too damn high' ... well nukes will solve that little problem". Are you having a rent problem? Or is it too many "damn immigrants"? Do you want a nuclear war to reduce the world population? Of whom?
I am far-Right ... so it should sound like that, honestly. And of course, inevitably, you project your concerns right off of CNN onto me. I have no problem with immigrants ... my ancestors were immigrants. I am not pr126 .. he isn't conservative enough. No, I have low rent, but was projecting D party values using Jimmy McMillan. If being far-Right doesn't win me friends, well, color me surprised. And no, the Clintons didn't start getting completely immoral, and white-collar criminal, until after leaving office. I guess they didn't want to embarrass the Secret Service detail ... until Obama, when they went off to the whore houses on their own.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 11:08:44 AM
I am far-Right ... so it should sound like that, honestly. And of course, inevitably, you project your concerns right off of CNN onto me. I have no problem with immigrants ... my ancestors were immigrants. I am not pr126 .. he isn't conservative enough. No, I have low rent, but was projecting D party values using Jimmy McMillan. If being far-Right doesn't win me friends, well, color me surprised. And no, the Clintons didn't start getting completely immoral, and white-collar criminal, until after leaving office. I guess they didn't want to embarrass the Secret Service detail ... until Obama, when they went off to the whore houses on their own.
You are not "far-right" Baruch. You are far-far-far right slightly over the horizon. You are beyond my ability to even discuss serious issues with you.
I wish it was otherwise.
Going by their website; CNN is a republican organization. They say things no Democrat would think of saying. Have to be out in Alex Jones territory to think CNN is too liberal. Its a moderate organization but definitely on the R side of the aisle.
For someone on the fire right you hide it well Baruch. I thought you were a moderate or a wildcard. I can admit to being a wildcard. Sometimes I listen to Alex Jones hangin on every word, but most of the time I think he’s full of crap (be a scary world if Limbaugher actually believes everything he says) Sometimes I listen to Mike Malloy and be tellin the radio “calm down Mikeâ€. There are also times when I hear Malloy say something and I’ll be thinking “Its about time what took you so long?â€.
: Mike Malloy is a far left atheist; now only on XM radio. On wed nights is church night. The day where he either generally makes fun of church or digs up dirt on religious leaders
ðŸ¤" I hope Baruch is not so far to the right that he thinks Trump is a hero
Nukes will not solve a rent problem. That would make only certain places safe to live. Rent will double or Triple after using nukes
Quote from: fencerider on November 11, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
Going by their website; CNN is a republican organization. They say things no Democrat would think of saying. Have to be out in Alex Jones territory to think CNN is too liberal. Its a moderate organization but definitely on the R side of the aisle.
For someone on the fire right you hide it well Baruch. I thought you were a moderate or a wildcard. I can admit to being a wildcard. Sometimes I listen to Alex Jones hangin on every word, but most of the time I think he’s full of crap (be a scary world if Limbaugher actually believes everything he says) Sometimes I listen to Mike Malloy and be tellin the radio “calm down Mikeâ€. There are also times when I hear Malloy say something and I’ll be thinking “Its about time what took you so long?â€.
: Mike Malloy is a far left atheist; now only on XM radio. On wed nights is church night. The day where he either generally makes fun of church or digs up dirt on religious leaders
ðŸ¤" I hope Baruch is not so far to the right that he thinks Trump is a hero
I think CNN is a bit conservative but not very rightist. When I switch from MSNBC, CNN doesn't bother me much. I am somewhere between them.
I like the hosts of both. But I'll admit the choice of guests does show a difference. And I dislike hosts of any persusion who would let a guest finish a sentence. I just can't watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC at 7 pm because of that. And Ari "someone" is getting like that too at 6 pm.
Baruch "hid" it well until recently. He stuck to religion. Something released his inner John Birch lately.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 11:36:26 AM
You are not "far-right" Baruch. You are far-far-far right slightly over the horizon. You are beyond my ability to even discuss serious issues with you.
I wish it was otherwise.
You are perfectly sane over baking etc. but you expect sanity in politics? That is crazy!
Quote from: fencerider on November 11, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
Going by their website; CNN is a republican organization. They say things no Democrat would think of saying. Have to be out in Alex Jones territory to think CNN is too liberal. Its a moderate organization but definitely on the R side of the aisle.
For someone on the fire right you hide it well Baruch. I thought you were a moderate or a wildcard. I can admit to being a wildcard. Sometimes I listen to Alex Jones hangin on every word, but most of the time I think he’s full of crap (be a scary world if Limbaugher actually believes everything he says) Sometimes I listen to Mike Malloy and be tellin the radio “calm down Mikeâ€. There are also times when I hear Malloy say something and I’ll be thinking “Its about time what took you so long?â€.
: Mike Malloy is a far left atheist; now only on XM radio. On wed nights is church night. The day where he either generally makes fun of church or digs up dirt on religious leaders
ðŸ¤" I hope Baruch is not so far to the right that he thinks Trump is a hero
Nukes will not solve a rent problem. That would make only certain places safe to live. Rent will double or Triple after using nukes
OK, you got me, I was channeling. I am a wildcard. I should tar Cavebear, but I should use honey, so the bees will take revenge on Winnie the Poo. I was channeling the plantation owners ... not myself. I own no plantation, I keep no slaves (except by being part of society). The plantation owners are bent on Hell on Earth, they always are. They own the planet (see 3 guys who own as much as the lower half of America combined?). They can set fire to it if they want, just ask the SA crown prince. No, Trump is no hero ... unless an arsonist is a hero for urban renewal (calling Emperor Nero ...). And yes, MSM is right wing, in the sense that they are all controlled by the CIA, who by definition is right wing. And the FBI, since the 60s, control all the left wing groups.
And you know, though I work with the military, I don't ever, ever want wars. I don't want the things I worked on in the past to be used. I don't want to see the young people I work with every day, killed because LBJ needs a hard on ...
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:17:17 PM
I don't want to see the young people I work with every day, killed because LBJ needs a hard on ...
Missed a few generations there Baruch?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 11:59:04 AM
I think CNN is a bit conservative but not very rightist. When I switch from MSNBC, CNN doesn't bother me much. I am somewhere between them.
I like the hosts of both. But I'll admit the choice of guests does show a difference. And I dislike hosts of any persusion who would let a guest finish a sentence. I just can't watch Chris Matthews on MSNBC at 7 pm because of that. And Ari "someone" is getting like that too at 6 pm.
Baruch "hid" it well until recently. He stuck to religion. Something released his inner John Birch lately.
I think you meant ... talking heads that "won't" let the guest finish their sentence ... are bad. Been off TV addiction for 12 years now. I attend TVA religiously ... TV Anonymous.
I have a hidden history in my own family. I have mentioned some of it. Sometimes I channel my grandfathers. My own father was quite moderate in comparison. Well, now that I got you hooked, I have this used car I think would make you the the cat's meow ... get lots of dates with the pretty young things ...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
Missed a few generations there Baruch?
Since 2001 we have been in bipartisan perpetual war. Rip Van Winkle much? LBJ is a good target ... such a nice man he was. I would never talk about Eisenhower like that. He knew how to kill people properly ... under a Congressional declaration of war.
Quote from: Baruch on November 11, 2017, 01:21:24 PM
I think you meant ... talking heads that "won't" let the guest finish their sentence ... are bad. Been off TV addiction for 12 years now. I attend TVA religiously ... TV Anonymous.
I have a hidden history in my own family. I have mentioned some of it. Sometimes I channel my grandfathers. My own father was quite moderate in comparison. Well, now that I got you hooked, I have this used car I think would make you the the cat's meow ... get lots of dates with the pretty young things ...
Thank you. Quite correct, I meant "wouldn't". I have the most awful time completing contractions. My thoughts are WAY faster than my fingers. I also can't type "Th" words without going "TH", but I usually catch those.
You wouldn't believe how much grief the contraction thing has caused me over the years though. :(
Quote from: Cavebear on November 11, 2017, 04:03:13 AM
See, that's where equivalency fails. Bill Clinton had weird consensual not-quite-sex with a adult female and the Republicans went crazy about it.
But Trump brags about groping women routinely ("because he can") and intrudes in their dressing rooms and Moore is assaulting a 14 year old girl and they "circle the wagons" to protect them. Both were wrong, but the hypocrisy is amazing.
Hell, they have people in Alabama saying they'll vote for Roy Moore
even if the allegations against him are true. They're so bound up in their political prejudices they'd be willing to send a child molester to the Senate just because there's an 'R' after his name and he says 'JAYZUS!' louder than his opponent. And then they claim they're the ones with a special pipeline to (their) god.
That said, the polling after the accusations were made public show Moore and Jones roughly at parity, or Moore ahead but only within the margin of error of the poll. I can't remember the last time a Democrat was competitive in Alabama. I think it might've been 1978, but I'd genuinely have to google it.
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 12:42:05 AM
Hell, they have people in Alabama saying they'll vote for Roy Moore even if the allegations against him are true. They're so bound up in their political prejudices they'd be willing to send a child molester to the Senate just because there's an 'R' after his name and he says 'JAYZUS!' louder than his opponent. And then they claim they're the ones with a special pipeline to (their) god.
That said, the polling after the accusations were made public show Moore and Jones roughly at parity, or Moore ahead but only within the margin of error of the poll. I can't remember the last time a Democrat was competitive in Alabama. I think it might've been 1978, but I'd genuinely have to google it.
A high placed official in Ala. said something to the effect; Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 12, 2017, 04:45:47 PM
A high placed official in Ala. said something to the effect; Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter.
I kinda figured sex mania wasn't confined to Democrat men ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 12, 2017, 04:45:47 PM
A high placed official in Ala. said something to the effect; Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter.
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wish the Deep South would secede again. I sure as shit wouldn't stop them.
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wish the Deep South would secede again. I sure as shit wouldn't stop them.
Only if they get on a raft first. These states don't rightly belong to those crazy assholes.
Steele and Ungar: Steele made the point They would rather vote for a pedaphile than vote for a Democrat.
Supposedly Mary was 13 and Joseph was 15...
I suppose TVA could be a good thing. Maybe you could pretend that Trump isnt in the White House ;-)
Quote from: fencerider on November 13, 2017, 01:06:51 AM
Steele and Ungar: Steele made the point They would rather vote for a pedaphile than vote for a Democrat.
Supposedly Mary was 13 and Joseph was 15...
I suppose TVA could be a good thing. Maybe you could pretend that Trump isnt in the White House ;-)
Doesn't matter who is in the White House, or anywhere else. Life is meaningless, just ask our resident nihilists.
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 11:39:12 PM
This is exactly the kind of thing that makes me wish the Deep South would secede again. I sure as shit wouldn't stop them.
New England puritans wanted to secede first ... good riddance? The original PC was from Boston, and prudery too.
retreat to Catalina Island.... those rafts wont be able to cross the current ;-)
Quote from: trdsf on November 12, 2017, 12:42:05 AM
Hell, they have people in Alabama saying they'll vote for Roy Moore even if the allegations against him are true. They're so bound up in their political prejudices they'd be willing to send a child molester to the Senate just because there's an 'R' after his name and he says 'JAYZUS!' louder than his opponent. And then they claim they're the ones with a special pipeline to (their) god.
That said, the polling after the accusations were made public show Moore and Jones roughly at parity, or Moore ahead but only within the margin of error of the poll. I can't remember the last time a Democrat was competitive in Alabama. I think it might've been 1978, but I'd genuinely have to google it.
When Republicans in any place say they would rather have a Republican Senator who is a pedophile than a Democratic Senator who is generally conservative and qualified . that is a very bad situation.
Ans let me say this... I don't think a conservative Democratic Senator from Alabama is going to be any solid vote for Democrats in the Senate. Conservative is still conservative. But it would be hard to find anyone crazier and less ethical than Roy Moore.
Quote from: fencerider on November 15, 2017, 12:28:55 AM
retreat to Catalina Island.... those rafts wont be able to cross the current ;-)
Been there, done that ... 1968. But went on the tourist boat. Wasn't so poor I needed a raft. Catalina was owned by the chewing gum conspiracy, and they did illegal gambling there, back in the day, before Las Vegas.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 15, 2017, 01:57:12 AM
When Republicans in any place say they would rather have a Republican Senator who is a pedophile than a Democratic Senator who is generally conservative and qualified . that is a very bad situation.
Ans let me say this... I don't think a conservative Democratic Senator from Alabama is going to be any solid vote for Democrats in the Senate. Conservative is still conservative. But it would be hard to find anyone crazier and less ethical than Roy Moore.
Republicans/former Southern Democats .. really want you down on the plantation picking cotton. They have had enough of the Copperheads too.
Quote from: Baruch on November 15, 2017, 02:10:13 AM
Republicans/former Southern Democats .. really want you down on the plantation picking cotton. They have had enough of the Copperheads too.
While I know you mean well, you should probably study US history a bit more accurately. Copperheads were Northerners who supported secession. You meant "carpetbaggers".
Quote from: Cavebear on November 15, 2017, 02:40:31 AM
While I know you mean well, you should probably study US history a bit more accurately. Copperheads were Northerners who supported secession. You meant "carpetbaggers".
Carpetbaggers were Jews, so you support Gen Grant's infamous order in Tennessee? A Jew was Sec of War for the Confederacy, that didn't happen under Lincoln.
Yeah, the analogy was strained. Blue dog Ds are Rs in disguise. Copperheads were enemies of Lincoln in the N states. The emphasis being on "enemy" within your own lines.
A R official that supports a pedophile R candidate, is like an R official of that time, who supported the Copperheads. R pedophiles are internal enemies of the R party. Just as D pedophiles are internal enemies of the De party.
you mean like the wmn that says Bill Clinton raped her in 1978?
Its a sick sick world..... (forgot the rest of that quote)
and then there’s JFK and Donald Trump
the D party for decaying
and the R party for revolting
Lincoln was a vampire slayer so of course he has a lot of enemies ;-)
Quote from: fencerider on November 16, 2017, 01:17:53 AM
you mean like the wmn that says Bill Clinton raped her in 1978?
Its a sick sick world..... (forgot the rest of that quote)
and then there’s JFK and Donald Trump
the D party for decaying
and the R party for revolting
Lincoln was a vampire slayer so of course he has a lot of enemies ;-)
It is necessary for every politician to be an unindicted felon ... that way the CIA can control them thru blackmail. Worked for J Edgar too.
Quote from: Baruch on November 15, 2017, 07:18:04 PM
Carpetbaggers were Jews, so you support Gen Grant's infamous order in Tennessee? A Jew was Sec of War for the Confederacy, that didn't happen under Lincoln.
Yeah, the analogy was strained. Blue dog Ds are Rs in disguise. Copperheads were enemies of Lincoln in the N states. The emphasis being on "enemy" within your own lines.
A R official that supports a pedophile R candidate, is like an R official of that time, who supported the Copperheads. R pedophiles are internal enemies of the R party. Just as D pedophiles are internal enemies of the De party.
Carpetbaggers were any Northener who moved the the South to start a business during the Reconstruction Era about 1865-1877. The name comes from the habit of making satchels from worn carpets (waste not, want not). Many brought Northern industrial skills to the rather un-industrialized South and actually started businesses which improved the impoverished Southern situation and employed former Confederate soldiers and freed slaves.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 12:27:34 AM
Carpetbaggers were any Northener who moved the the South to start a business during the Reconstruction Era about 1865-1877. The name comes from the habit of making satchels from worn carpets (waste not, want not). Many brought Northern industrial skills to the rather un-industrialized South and actually started businesses which improved the impoverished Southern situation and employed former Confederate soldiers and freed slaves.
Wrong. It was Jewish itinerant salesmen from the North, that created anti-Semitism (just ask Gen Grant). They quickly forgot who their Sec of War had been. You are repeating a stereotype from Gone With The Wind.
Trump election and Russia-gate predicted 2400 years ago!
“In a democracy, someone who fails to get elected to office can always console himself with the thought that there was something not quite fair about it.â€
― Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War
Quote from: Baruch on November 18, 2017, 02:08:52 AM
Wrong. It was Jewish itinerant salesmen from the North, that created anti-Semitism (just ask Gen Grant). They quickly forgot who their Sec of War had been. You are repeating a stereotype from Gone With The Wind.
Your anti-Semitism is recognized.
EOL
Quote from: Cavebear on November 18, 2017, 03:05:52 AM
Your anti-Semitism is recognized.
EOL
Just being honest about $&$^# Gentiles ;-) You Yankees all think that Gone With The Wind is unedited truth.
More plot thickening.
Flynn's legal team has stopped coöperating with Asshole's (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42105048), telling them that " they can no longer discuss the investigation into alleged Russia interference in the 2016 US election".
It is not known whether they're merely distancing themselves from the clusterfuck in the White House, negotiating a deal, or are actually coöperating with Mueller's investigation.
Just because that one idiot who thinks Trump isn't racist might see it here...
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23722297_2127512773926356_1167791995990792959_n.jpg?oh=dfa32c6a39ce86c2febd0317fd34cfd9&oe=5AD682F8)
I'm sure it's all coincidental.
Quote from: trdsf on November 24, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
More plot thickening.
Flynn's legal team has stopped coöperating with Asshole's (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42105048), telling them that " they can no longer discuss the investigation into alleged Russia interference in the 2016 US election".
It is not known whether they're merely distancing themselves from the clusterfuck in the White House, negotiating a deal, or are actually coöperating with Mueller's investigation.
That is true of any investigation ... you aren't supposed to do a trial by public opinion. And suspects are supposed to cooperate with prosecution? Really? But yes, it would be so smart to continue to communicate with someone indicted or likely to be ... so your communications can be added to the pile of evidence ... not!
So far, what seems to be the case, is that Flynn is guilty of influence peddling with the Turkish government, over Gulen. But if it is a CIA op, then no matter what he did, it is still legal. Same as the CIA assassination of JFK. They may have a show trial, but find him innocent on a technicality. Of just not indict him. But none of that has anything to do with Russia. If Flynn was working for the CIA and they choose to sacrifice him, that would be a bad mistake on their part. If Flynn wasn't working for the CIA, then he is going to jail, but probably of the country club type. On the other hand, it might be a double cross, that Flynn was trying to get Erdogan to show his cards ... so that something can be done about Erdogan (similar to a cop posing as a drug user to bring down a drug dealer). Gulen seems to be a billionaire crime lord, who works for the US (as does Soros). He will probably die in US exile, but in his sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QseSvczllw
However ...
Gülen: "Muslims have a unique responsibility in fighting terror." ... officially, they are pacifist, support education and medical care. Think of Chinese Communist opposition to Falun Gong in China.
And we all know that the US is behind all terrorism world-wide. The Muslim terror in particular (Wilson's War). So what is CIA up to with Gulen or Erdogan? Double cross or triple cross? I have Gulen's book on Sufi contemplation, that that may put me three-degrees of separation from Trump ;-). Nothing radical in it. Of course Salafists hate all Sufis, so the Saudis must hate him too. And Erdogan is clearly a megalomaniac (wants to be Caliph of all Muslims) and proto-dictator (though not as bad as NorKs). But that is usually the kind of ally the US prefers.
can’t condemn Moore cause he’s as dirty as him.
They forgot about Putin. Trump still hasnt pointed any fingers at Putin.
Baruch that is usually the kind of ally the U.S. prefers: It makes the CIA’s work so much easier because wannabe dictators aren’t afraid to get their hands dirty. and if they have money the CIA gets to keep their own.
Quote from: fencerider on November 25, 2017, 12:27:17 PM
can’t condemn Moore cause he’s as dirty as him.
They forgot about Putin. Trump still hasnt pointed any fingers at Putin.
Baruch that is usually the kind of ally the U.S. prefers: It makes the CIA’s work so much easier because wannabe dictators aren’t afraid to get their hands dirty. and if they have money the CIA gets to keep their own.
Actually Trump and Putin had an hour long conversation during or after the Vietnam regional summit ... anyone not Machiavellian is a fool.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/21/trump-putin-russia-syria-257407
I fail to see why Americans want nuclear war with Russia or China. Is the US done messing up every other country on Earth? Apparently not.
More on Flynn vs Turkey:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/25/michael-flynn-turkey-215865
The Deep State is not of one mind, but a coalition of competing interests. Pro and anti-military coup, pro and anti-Gulen, pro and anti-Erdogan. America is a cheap whore, for sale to everyone. Turkey has been manipulated into genocidal paranoia before, in 1915. Internal dissidents were blamed for Turkish military failures ... Armenians and Kurds and Greeks ... genocide was the result.
Trump would need to actually break a law in order to be impeached. Unfortunately, not helping PR enough is not a criminal act nor is not being aware that PR inhabitants are U.S. citizens.
I am similarly not convinced that Trump had direct knowledge of any collusion with Russia because there's no reason for him to. He has people who would handle that sort of thing in his campaign and, indeed, what we are seeing is the people in his campaign getting nabbed by investigations but not a single thing solidly tying him to the collusion. An even moderately competent scheme would have him totally insulated from the wrongdoing.
The best we can hope from this investigation is that Trump is politically gutted by having a ton of highly placed people in his campaign thrown in jail for collusion. On the other hand, the rules of sanity don't really apply to Trump. He makes baseless assertions, and then when he is confronted with facts that prove his assertion wrong, he just makes up more assertions to discredit those facts. This got him into the White House so he would use it here.
I'm sure no matter how strong the evidence is he will just label it a liberal smear campaign and at least 30% of voters will believe him.
Quote from: Baruch on November 18, 2017, 03:11:56 AM
Just being honest about $&$^# Gentiles ;-) You Yankees all think that Gone With The Wind is unedited truth.
A few movies I think are utter fiction:
Birth Of A Nation
Gone With The wind
Star Wars
Star Trek
Terminator
Alien
The Wizard Of Oz
Up
Despicable Me
Every James Bond Movie
Quote from: Cavebear on November 26, 2017, 02:09:04 AM
A few movies I think are utter fiction:
Birth Of A Nation
Gone With The wind
Star Wars
Star Trek
Terminator
Alien
The Wizard Of Oz
Up
Despicable Me
Every James Bond Movie
But did you enjoy any of them? That is the point, not to used them as policy positions.
Okay, Flynn's not only copped to a crime, but is coöperating with Mueller (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42192080). The White House announced that "nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr Flynn" and then immediately cancelled a scheduled appearance by Asshole in front of reporters.
Oh, and predictably, he's trying to weasel out of meaningful punishment by hiding behind his god and pretending he's really fully reformed and doesn't need to be punished: "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right". Coward. A real man would stand up and say "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and I am prepared to accept my punishment, and shall continue to work to make amends for what I have done".
Quote from: trdsf on December 01, 2017, 03:43:26 PM
Okay, Flynn's not only copped to a crime, but is coöperating with Mueller (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42192080). The White House announced that "nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr Flynn" and then immediately cancelled a scheduled appearance by Asshole in front of reporters.
Oh, and predictably, he's trying to weasel out of meaningful punishment by hiding behind his god and pretending he's really fully reformed and doesn't need to be punished: "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right". Coward. A real man would stand up and say "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and I am prepared to accept my punishment, and shall continue to work to make amends for what I have done".
I want Flynn to take off his mask, and reveal the big eyed Grey alien underneath ;-) I think enhanced interrogation is mandated, for all D-R officials.
Quote from: trdsf on December 01, 2017, 03:43:26 PM
Okay, Flynn's not only copped to a crime, but is coöperating with Mueller (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42192080). The White House announced that "nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr Flynn" and then immediately cancelled a scheduled appearance by Asshole in front of reporters.
Oh, and predictably, he's trying to weasel out of meaningful punishment by hiding behind his god and pretending he's really fully reformed and doesn't need to be punished: "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right". Coward. A real man would stand up and say "I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong and I am prepared to accept my punishment, and shall continue to work to make amends for what I have done".
Flynn turned. He got the "out Of Jail Free" card from Mueller. Which means he provided serious information on higher-ups. And there aren't many higher-ups other than Trump and family...
It is the end of the beginning...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 02, 2017, 02:20:31 AM
Flynn turned. He got the "out Of Jail Free" card from Mueller. Which means he provided serious information on higher-ups. And there aren't many higher-ups other than Trump and family...
It is the end of the beginning...
I am not so sure; while I hope with every fiber in my body that you are correct, I will not think justice will come to Trump and Co. until it actually does. Will Trump use the excuse of a Korean War to establish martial law and then dictatorship (with the Hitler blueprint)? Far fetched? Okay.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 02, 2017, 08:42:31 AM
I am not so sure; while I hope with every fiber in my body that you are correct, I will not think justice will come to Trump and Co. until it actually does. Will Trump use the excuse of a Korean War to establish martial law and then dictatorship (with the Hitler blueprint)? Far fetched? Okay.
When George W came in, they were divided ... war against China (remember the US spy plane forced down) or war against ME. The Chinese got lucky. New Republican administration ... war against NorK or war against Iran? Look at either very carefully. When you least expect it, the US will invade Lichtenstein ... and lose.
On NorK ... in 1950, it was a patrol by SoK that triggered the inevitable NorK response. If it is a war in Korea, it will be by mistake by the SoK government triggering the inevitable NorK response. The real question is, how to keep Japan on the US side, instead of becoming a colony of China. It depends on what Japan does ultimately. NorK control of SoK ... means a destabilized Japan ... and China is more free to pressure or occupy Taiwan.
The US has planned war against Iran since 1979. It all depends on what the SA crown prince is doing, and the Qatar connection (SA want excuse to take their natural gas (because colluding with Iran or whatever). Iran will not directly attack SA, unless directly attacked first. In which case, Riyadh and the gulf oil fields are taken out, and oil goes to $150 per barrel, and everyone is happy again.
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2017, 09:14:24 AM
When George W came in, they were divided ... war against China (remember the US spy plane forced down) or war against ME. The Chinese got lucky. New Republican administration ... war against NorK or war against Iran? Look at either very carefully. When you least expect it, the US will invade Lichtenstein ... and lose.
On NorK ... in 1950, it was a patrol by SoK that triggered the inevitable NorK response. If it is a war in Korea, it will be by mistake by the SoK government triggering the inevitable NorK response. The real question is, how to keep Japan on the US side, instead of becoming a colony of China. It depends on what Japan does ultimately. NorK control of SoK ... means a destabilized Japan ... and China is more free to pressure or occupy Taiwan.
The US has planned war against Iran since 1979. It all depends on what the SA crown prince is doing, and the Qatar connection (SA want excuse to take their natural gas (because colluding with Iran or whatever). Iran will not directly attack SA, unless directly attacked first. In which case, Riyadh and the gulf oil fields are taken out, and oil goes to $150 per barrel, and everyone is happy again.
The US, within one or several intel branches, has multiple plans for each AO (Area of Operation) in the world; and they are always being re-evaluated. I mean that the US had plans for war with/or in, each country of the world, friendly or not. I've seen a few of these myself, but know that there are teams always working on all of them.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 02, 2017, 11:12:48 AM
The US, within one or several intel branches, has multiple plans for each AO (Area of Operation) in the world; and they are always being re-evaluated. I mean that the US had plans for war with/or in, each country of the world, friendly or not. I've seen a few of these myself, but know that there are teams always working on all of them.
And there are competing versions of the Dark State ... there isn't just one, even within a country. I am sure that our Dark State isn't in full accord with the British version.
And Asshole just admitted to obstruction of justice on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937007006526959618). If he knew Flynn lied when Flynn resigned/was fired, and the day after that he asked Comey to back off, that is the definition of obstruction of justice.
I think we can take the question marks off this thread's title.
Quote from: trdsf on December 02, 2017, 05:09:22 PM
And Asshole just admitted to obstruction of justice on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/937007006526959618). If he knew Flynn lied when Flynn resigned/was fired, and the day after that he asked Comey to back off, that is the definition of obstruction of justice.
I think we can take the question marks off this thread's title.
I wouldn't have asked Comey to back off. I would have fired him on inauguration day. That and every other turd appointed by Obama.
This is what D party folks consider to be professional journalism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=130&v=d7Uy0Uznw4E
Quote from: Baruch on December 02, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
I wouldn't have asked Comey to back off. I would have fired him on inauguration day. That and every other turd appointed by Obama.
This is what D party folks consider to be professional journalism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=130&v=d7Uy0Uznw4E
You are spinning out of control again, Baruch... Get a grip. Breathe deeply and often.
Spamming = objection to hysterical violent D party members?
Quote from: Baruch on December 09, 2017, 04:58:32 AM
Spamming = objection to hysterical violent D party members?
I'm a D (by pathetic choice, not party loyalty) and not feeling hysterical or violent...
Spamming meaning, false information to attack individuals.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 09, 2017, 06:00:54 AM
I'm a D (by pathetic choice, not party loyalty) and not feeling hysterical or violent...
Spamming meaning, false information to attack individuals.
False information like ... Hillary's email server? And no, not every D party member is hysterical or violent ... just the "true" ones.
Nonsensei you are wrong. No crime has to be committed to be impeached; unless you are refering to the attitude of republicans in Congress. go read the Constitution more carefully.
Congress can impeach any one for any reason. Or they can choose to overlook some very serious offenses. But what they can not do is ignore treason, bribery, or high crimes. If any of these 3 happens they have no choice but to impeach.
There are two definitions of treason. The common law definition; which puts people in prison; and the political definition which is only used for impeachment.
There is a really big argument and several books written about what exactly a high crime is...
Bribery. Everyone knows what that is without explanation. If you give money or something of value to someone for a favor, or someone gives you money or something of value for a favor, you’ve comitted bribery. Doesnt matter if you are giving or getting the benefit. ðŸ¤" Holee Crap!!! If you are a representative in Congress and you change your vote to get money for your next election, you have committed an impeachable offense. I think that is more than half of Congress. How can the people have a proper impeachment when more than 50% need to be impeached??
Bill Clinton got impeached for having a BJ (maybe Congress was jealous). There is nothing to keep them from impeaching Trump for incompetence in the Constitution.
I am going to guess that they wont impeach him unless we force them to because they think that kissin up will get them reelected
QuoteI am going to guess that they wont impeach him unless we force them to because they think that kissin up will get them reelected
Not just that, but he is getting done some of the worst shit they have wanted for years. They may distance themselves from him for popularity reasons, but I am sure the majority of Republicans are loving the results... if not the man getting them done.
Quote from: Baruch on December 09, 2017, 09:52:42 AM
False information like ... Hillary's email server? And no, not every D party member is hysterical or violent ... just the "true" ones.
Hillary Clinton's email server never turned out to have any unsecure or valuable information on it. It was examined. Nothing was found.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 12, 2017, 02:24:10 AM
Hillary Clinton's email server never turned out to have any unsecure or valuable information on it. It was examined. Nothing was found.
And you want me to respect you? It had numerous classified materials on it. Part of which was shared with her daughter (on the Bengazi issue) ... stuff that was above Top Secret. Are you really Mr Comey ... or that lower ranking FBI Hillary hack they have disclosed ... re-wrote the initial assessment of the server-gate? Right ... just fake news. Well, you are a fake bear (sometimes) ... or just a hack for the DNC.
Quote from: Baruch on December 12, 2017, 07:10:04 AM
And you want me to respect you? It had numerous classified materials on it. Part of which was shared with her daughter (on the Bengazi issue) ... stuff that was above Top Secret. Are you really Mr Comey ... or that lower ranking FBI Hillary hack they have disclosed ... re-wrote the initial assessment of the server-gate? Right ... just fake news. Well, you are a fake bear (sometimes) ... or just a hack for the DNC.
Yep, I confess. I'm a hack fer Hillary.
Not! LOL!
Seriously, the Benghazi investigations always were true fake news. Nothing there to find any more than the pathetic Comet Pizza sex trade scam pushed by Fox News.
The long investigations of Clinton's emails never exposed anything and they weren't hackable. There IS something to be said for a server the Russians even couldn't find.
I assume you DO understand that voting for someone doesn't make one a "hack", right?
You would do better (and I hope you will) by arguing more facts and fewer innuendos.
Quote from: fencerider on November 11, 2017, 11:44:20 AM
For someone on the fire right you hide it well Baruch. I thought you were a moderate or a wildcard.
This is only now becoming obvious to you? I find that hard to take seriously. But I'm happy you finally realize it.
Quote from: fencerider on December 10, 2017, 03:49:38 AM
But what they can not do is ignore treason, bribery, or high crimes. If any of these 3 happens they have no choice but to impeach.
Sadly, wrong. Nothing and no one can FORCE Congress to impeach a President.
Quote from: SGOS on December 18, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
This is only now becoming obvious to you? I find that hard to take seriously. But I'm happy you finally realize it.
At the risk of repeating myself, Baruch is far-right, ultra-religious, and maybe anarchist in a pre-WWI European sense. I doubt he entirely rational. All readers here should keep that in mind.
Knowledge does not equal intelligence does not equal rationality.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
At the risk of repeating myself, Baruch is far-right, ultra-religious, and maybe anarchist in a pre-WWI European sense. I doubt he entirely rational. All readers here should keep that in mind.
Knowledge does not equal intelligence does not equal rationality.
Somewhere in my memory, I remember Brauch saying something to the effect that rationality is to be abhorred. But I doubt I could find that post, and I may have misinterpreted. However, in my defense, I am seldom able to make heads or tales out of half of what he says.
Quote from: SGOS on December 18, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
Somewhere in my memory, I remember Brauch saying something to the effect that rationality is to be abhorred. But I doubt I could find that post, and I may have misinterpreted. However, in my defense, I am seldom able to make heads or tales out of half of what he says.
Nor can I sometimes. And nor can he. It is one reason he makes silly jokes a lot. It hides his lack of depth. It gives him a diversion. Rather like Trump.
I think of Baruch as like William Jennings Bryan. I won't remember this accurately, but something like "a mile wide but as shallow as a plate". You get the idea though.
Quote from: SGOS on December 18, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
This is only now becoming obvious to you? I find that hard to take seriously. But I'm happy you finally realize it.
Definitely a wildcard, but not a maverick. I am not McCain, I don't even like him.
Sorry, you refugees from Woodstock 1.0 ... 2.0 ... etc think anyone with any common sense is The Man. Well I am man, even a male demigod, but I am not The Man.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 12:45:56 PM
Sadly, wrong. Nothing and no one can FORCE Congress to impeach a President.
Show the shit show, the real Zapruder tape, and they will suck their own dicks like a Mongolian contortionist, if asked nicely to do so.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 12:52:04 PM
At the risk of repeating myself, Baruch is far-right, ultra-religious, and maybe anarchist in a pre-WWI European sense. I doubt he entirely rational. All readers here should keep that in mind.
Knowledge does not equal intelligence does not equal rationality.
I agree. Now y'all go an apply it to your addle-pated selves ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on December 18, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
Somewhere in my memory, I remember Brauch saying something to the effect that rationality is to be abhorred. But I doubt I could find that post, and I may have misinterpreted. However, in my defense, I am seldom able to make heads or tales out of half of what he says.
Context is everything. You have to read all of my posts, all my likes, all other people's posts, and all their likes ... for the last 30 months. Get crackin'.
My output is cumulative and comprehensive. Others might suffer from short term memory loss.
But I can comment on your paraphrase .. in context ... rationality is tautology, and tautology is stale and lifeless. Life comes from contingency, not tautology, with a good kick in the ass from self contradiction.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2017, 01:06:28 PM
Nor can I sometimes. And nor can he. It is one reason he makes silly jokes a lot. It hides his lack of depth. It gives him a diversion. Rather like Trump.
I think of Baruch as like William Jennings Bryan. I won't remember this accurately, but something like "a mile wide but as shallow as a plate". You get the idea though.
Well I will admit that Clarence Darrow was a sharper butter knife than William Jennings Bryan. But both were old men at the Scopes trial. And you are still wrong about the Cross Of Gold speech.
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
Well I will admit that Clarence Darrow was a sharper butter knife than William Jennings Bryan. But both were old men at the Scopes trial. And you are still wrong about the Cross Of Gold speech.
Took you 5 posts to get to this?
You want our currency to be based on SILVER? You've got to be jesting (as usual).
The best thing Bryan did for his reputation was die after the Scopes trial. Otherwise he would be a minor footnote in history.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 03:40:37 AM
Took you 5 posts to get to this?
You want our currency to be based on SILVER? You've got to be jesting (as usual).
The best thing Bryan did for his reputation was die after the Scopes trial. Otherwise he would be a minor footnote in history.
Actually not ... US currency should be based on cow patties. And what about all this hatred for someone who died before you were born, and you never met? Well maybe the stupid Scopes trial is triggering ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 08:51:15 AM
Actually not ... US currency should be based on cow patties. And what about all this hatred for someone who died before you were born, and you never met? Well maybe the stupid Scopes trial is triggering ;-)
You think that I shouldn't care about people who died before I was born? Lincoln died before I was born. John Adams died before I was born. Somewhere there was a male and a female who were first considered "human" (at different times) before I was born.
And untold bloody butchering theists died before I was born. They all affected my life, so I care about them.
And cow patties make bad currency. Otherwise, dung beetles would be the bankers. Hmmm, perhaps... But silver did not then and does not now. The economists at the time of Bryan realized that. Which is why you don't see Bryan's Head in the Futurama Hall of President Heads (or lists in history books today).
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 11:14:13 AM
You think that I shouldn't care about people who died before I was born? Lincoln died before I was born. John Adams died before I was born. Somewhere there was a male and a female who were first considered "human" (at different times) before I was born.
And untold bloody butchering theists died before I was born. They all affected my life, so I care about them.
And cow patties make bad currency. Otherwise, dung beetles would be the bankers. Hmmm, perhaps... But silver did not then and does not now. The economists at the time of Bryan realized that. Which is why you don't see Bryan's Head in the Futurama Hall of President Heads (or lists in history books today).
I almost had you worshipping Kephra, the Egyptian beetle god who pushes the Sun across the sky!
According to the US Constitution, silver is money, and the mint simply is to take silver provided by the private sector, and Mint it into coin. with a small surcharge back to the Mint. Copper coin was the only Federal money, provided as a public convenience. Small quantities of gold coin were also minted on private sector demand, but we didn't have much gold to share initially.
The gold standard was an invention of the Bank of England, and really got going in 1816 after the end of the Napoleonic wars. The British Empire and their Bank, screwed the US and everyone else for decades after that, first with loans to the various US Federal Banks (predecessors to the Federal Reserve) then screwed over Lincoln (loans in the form of interest bearing currency (some was fiat, but some was interest bearing bonds), and by 1871 had the US by the short hairs. This tightening of the screws by the British, continued from 1871 until 1913, when the Federal Reserve was created, so that the US could help the British Empire in their predations, though it mostly went to support WW I. WW I broke the back of the Empires in general, and the post WW I attempt to return to the gold standard, failed, because of the degree of breakdown in the British Empire. Pound Sterling (aka Silver) was also debased as a result of WW I. The Europeans never recovered enough before WW II started. US (FDR) control of the gold markets from 1933, let to the Bretton-Woods system (designed to help Europe recover further thru stable Atlantic trade and loans) in 1944, and which ended in 1971, thanks to France, and the Vietnam War.
So that is all fantasy huh?
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2017, 01:36:15 PM
I almost had you worshipping Kephra, the Egyptian beetle god who pushes the Sun across the sky!
According to the US Constitution, silver is money, and the mint simply is to take silver provided by the private sector, and Mint it into coin. with a small surcharge back to the Mint. Copper coin was the only Federal money, provided as a public convenience. Small quantities of gold coin were also minted on private sector demand, but we didn't have much gold to share initially.
The gold standard was an invention of the Bank of England, and really got going in 1816 after the end of the Napoleonic wars. The British Empire and their Bank, screwed the US and everyone else for decades after that, first with loans to the various US Federal Banks (predecessors to the Federal Reserve) then screwed over Lincoln (loans in the form of interest bearing currency (some was fiat, but some was interest bearing bonds), and by 1871 had the US by the short hairs. This tightening of the screws by the British, continued from 1871 until 1913, when the Federal Reserve was created, so that the US could help the British Empire in their predations, though it mostly went to support WW I. WW I broke the back of the Empires in general, and the post WW I attempt to return to the gold standard, failed, because of the degree of breakdown in the British Empire. Pound Sterling (aka Silver) was also debased as a result of WW I. The Europeans never recovered enough before WW II started. US (FDR) control of the gold markets from 1933, let to the Bretton-Woods system (designed to help Europe recover further thru stable Atlantic trade and loans) in 1944, and which ended in 1971, thanks to France, and the Vietnam War.
So that is all fantasy huh?
No, your preaching to the choir in a way. I know the history. But we went off the silver standard a century ago and the gold standard a half ago. Currency is mostly fictitious now, just accepted IOUs. Although I have some silver certificates stashed as $2 bills. Only for history and humor.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2017, 02:28:14 PM
No, your preaching to the choir in a way. I know the history. But we went off the silver standard a century ago and the gold standard a half ago. Currency is mostly fictitious now, just accepted IOUs. Although I have some silver certificates stashed as $2 bills. Only for history and humor.
Yes ... history had moved on, but that means the status quo approaches death ever more closely. Technically we went off the domestic silver market in 1965, to fund the Vietnam War. The international gold standard was badly hurt from 1914 - 1944, enough that the domestic gold standard couldn't hold up. The artificially fixed price of silver and gold (relative to FR notes) was ... a fools game in the long run ... fantasy of omnipotent governments, not unlike the Euro now. LBJ knew that doing both guns and butter was inflationary. So how does the death of the present, which dies each second, sound to you? Tick-tock, tick-tock. Entropy is real, progress is the delusion that on net, we can borrow from Peter to pay Paul, and exponentially too. Progress only seems to happen, because we aren't doing the accounting properly (including all streams). We privatize the gains and socialize the losses.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 09, 2017, 04:07:55 AM
You are spinning out of control again, Baruch... Get a grip. Breathe deeply and often.
Maybe a bit less LSD would also be in order...
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2017, 03:16:11 PM
Maybe a bit less LSD would also be in order...
Zombie thread much? I get high on myself, saves a lot of money and police questioning.
Oh, I'm so proud of you!
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
Well I will admit that Clarence Darrow was a sharper butter knife than William Jennings Bryan. But both were old men at the Scopes trial. And you are still wrong about the Cross Of Gold speech.
are you talking about microScopes, teleScopes, or oscilloScopes? and why would you take any of them apart with a butter knife?
I find the arguments between Baruch and Cavebear to always be entertaining. Baruch: an enigma because he is a wildcard. Cavebear: a man that has the freedom of not ever being brain-washed by religion.
I just read that part of the Constitution again. It says Congress has the responsibility to coin money for the U.S.. It also says that it is up to Congress to determine the current coin of the realm. (no mention of silver regarding Congress) After that is says the states are not allowed to coin money. Interestingly enough, it says that the states are only allowed to pay debts with gold or silver.
My interpretation is that Congress can make paper money if they want to (to pay the U.S. debts to the states) but the states can only pay their debts to the U.S. with gold or silver. Its a set-up for some ridiculous problems.
Quote from: fencerider on December 27, 2017, 11:35:55 PM
are you talking about microScopes, teleScopes, or oscilloScopes? and why would you take any of them apart with a butter knife?
I find the arguments between Baruch and Cavebear to always be entertaining. Baruch: an enigma because he is a wildcard. Cavebear: a man that has the freedom of not ever being brain-washed by religion.
I just read that part of the Constitution again. It says Congress has the responsibility to coin money for the U.S.. It also says that it is up to Congress to determine the current coin of the realm. (no mention of silver regarding Congress) After that is says the states are not allowed to coin money. Interestingly enough, it says that the states are only allowed to pay debts with gold or silver.
My interpretation is that Congress can make paper money if they want to (to pay the U.S. debts to the states) but the states can only pay their debts to the U.S. with gold or silver. Its a set-up for some ridiculous problems.
Yes, the Federal government was tied down, with only excise taxes for income. The Treasury needed accepted money for its own use (gold and silver). And of course the Feds will always exploit the States (one of the reasons for the Civil War).
Eventually, that exploitation was extended to the Income Tax. You are only allowed to pay it with US currency, so you have to get some, to pay your taxes. You can't use BitCoin.
How did early Congress interpret that provision? Spanish milled dollars (piece of eight) was the definition of a dollar. Coinage act of 1792. George Washington himself contributed his silverware from Mt Vernon, for the first half dismes (dimes). The Constitution is always undermined, by "applicable legislation" as implied by how each term is interpreted by Congress. And the WH undermines, by using signing statements (ukase).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1792_half_disme
http://jpatton.bellevue.edu/bottomline/dollar.html
This also regulated the relative value of gold vs silver, which created problems (the gold coin got exported to Britain for melting, because the gold was undervalued relative to silver). Of course Congress changed their mind. Hamilton argued for a central bank and got it. America had been burned by Continental Currency during the Revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_American_currency#Continental_currency
The Spanish milled dollar remained legal currency in the US until 1857. Yes, Congress can define a dollar as such and such a fraction of BitCoin.
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The Constitutional amendment to define the Fed and Income Tax is an enigma, basically a blank check on you! It was sold because of it's modest amount and it would only apply to the very rich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Act
The first US central tank issued only bank-to-bank notes. They weren't for circulation. That didn't start until 1914.
Basically, our great-grandparents enslaved us to J P Morgan and Congressional hubris (spending like a drunk sailor).
Wouldn't it be interesting if the US govt announced that bitcoin is an illegal pyramid scheme? CRASH!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 10, 2018, 01:58:54 PM
Wouldn't it be interesting if the US govt announced that bitcoin is an illegal pyramid scheme? CRASH!
All governments are illegal pyramid schemes ... just ask Pharaoh. But as long as the government has the monopoly of violence ... best to go along.
If there ever is a regular block-chain money, it will only come from the Federal Reserve or Bank of England ... not from private parties.
Apparently it's treason to not clap for Chump at his state of the union speech:
Trump on Democrats who failed to clap for him: 'Can we call that treason? Why not?' (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-on-democrats-who-failed-to-clap-1517863448-htmlstory.html)
I mean, really!? I think Chump will soon find out exactly what the word "treason" means!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 06, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Apparently it's treason to not clap for Chump at his state of the union speech:
Trump on Democrats who failed to clap for him: 'Can we call that treason? Why not?' (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-on-democrats-who-failed-to-clap-1517863448-htmlstory.html)
I mean, really!? I think Chump will soon find out exactly what the word "treason" means!
If only you would be right. I think Trump invented teflon. Nothing sticks. Basically he is doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants to.
Well, Reagan was called the Teflon president, but Chump is even more slippery!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 06, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Apparently it's treason to not clap for Chump at his state of the union speech:
Trump on Democrats who failed to clap for him: 'Can we call that treason? Why not?' (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-on-democrats-who-failed-to-clap-1517863448-htmlstory.html)
I mean, really!? I think Chump will soon find out exactly what the word "treason" means!
I think we're a closer to the point where we need to impeach
while it's still possible than anyone wants to think. He's actively cultivating a cult of personality, and at risk of invoking Godwin's Law, we've seen where that sort of thing leads.
Quote from: trdsf on February 06, 2018, 02:27:32 PM
I think we're a closer to the point where we need to impeach while it's still possible than anyone wants to think. He's actively cultivating a cult of personality, and at risk of invoking Godwin's Law, we've seen where that sort of thing leads.
I don't think it is possible right now. How in the world would the House agree to impeach? It wouldn't. If the congress changes to a Democratic one, then there is a slight glimmer of hope that it could happen. But I don't even see that as very much of a possibility. Our country is really, just so fucked up--I think it's called circling the drain.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 06, 2018, 03:02:36 PM
I don't think it is possible right now. How in the world would the House agree to impeach? It wouldn't. If the congress changes to a Democratic one, then there is a slight glimmer of hope that it could happen. But I don't even see that as very much of a possibility. Our country is really, just so fucked up--I think it's called circling the drain.
Politically, no, it's not possible, not with the current Congress. Ryan would never let a serious threat of impeachment come to the floor. The motion offered by Al Green (D-TX) in December was a privileged motion and required a floor vote, and Ryan was happy to allow that since there wasn't a hope in hell of it passing. The separate motions offered by Brad Sherman (D-CA) and Steve Cohen (D-TN) were not privileged, and got assigned (properly, I might add) to the Judiciary Committee, where the Republican majority has simply failed to hold a hearing on them.
And that's the real danger in all this: the Republican majorities in the House and Senate are content to just keep looking the other way and looking the other way and looking the other way and occasionally issuing a mild 'tut tut' about some screamingly inappropriate/unethical comment from the Orange Disaster and just won't do anything about it until it's too late... and then it's
too late.
I look forward to pissing on trump's grave. Unfortunately, dictators live long lives. So I'll have to remain healthy.
Quote from: trdsf on February 06, 2018, 03:37:45 PM
Politically, no, it's not possible, not with the current Congress. Ryan would never let a serious threat of impeachment come to the floor. The motion offered by Al Green (D-TX) in December was a privileged motion and required a floor vote, and Ryan was happy to allow that since there wasn't a hope in hell of it passing. The separate motions offered by Brad Sherman (D-CA) and Steve Cohen (D-TN) were not privileged, and got assigned (properly, I might add) to the Judiciary Committee, where the Republican majority has simply failed to hold a hearing on them.
And that's the real danger in all this: the Republican majorities in the House and Senate are content to just keep looking the other way and looking the other way and looking the other way and occasionally issuing a mild 'tut tut' about some screamingly inappropriate/unethical comment from the Orange Disaster and just won't do anything about it until it's too late... and then it's too late.
I have never been a pessimistic kind of guy. I have always maintained that the world is in the best condition it has ever been in. But, since Trump, I really, really wonder. Is it too late??--for this country it just might be.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 06, 2018, 01:47:56 PM
If only you would be right. I think Trump invented teflon. Nothing sticks. Basically he is doing whatever he wants to whoever he wants to.
As opposed to Rep Joe Wilson, who yelled at Obama in an address to Congress "You Lie"!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 06, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Apparently it's treason to not clap for Chump at his state of the union speech:
Trump on Democrats who failed to clap for him: 'Can we call that treason? Why not?' (https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-trump-on-democrats-who-failed-to-clap-1517863448-htmlstory.html)
I mean, really!? I think Chump will soon find out exactly what the word "treason" means!
You mean the Hillary funded, Russian sourced, Obama approved October surprise ... which has blown up on the treasonous followers of the debauched D party leaders?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 06, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
As opposed to Rep Joe Wilson, who yelled at Obama in an address to Congress "You Lie"!
Obama is a politician. Everything they say is a lie.
Quote from: Baruch on February 06, 2018, 06:34:12 PM
Obama is a politician. Everything they say is a lie.
Joe Wilson is a politician too, so when he said Obama lied, he was lying.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 06, 2018, 06:49:24 PM
Joe Wilson is a politician too, so when he said Obama lied, he was lying.
Yes, so at this point, like the defeat of the magical dragon, you should shrink to infinity inside yourself ... because nature supposedly abhors a contradiction.
It will be fun waterboarding all the D party psychopaths ... the R party psychopaths of course think they are exempt ...
Quote from: Baruch on February 06, 2018, 07:05:29 PM
Yes, so at this point, like the defeat of the magical dragon, you should shrink to infinity inside yourself ... because nature supposedly abhors a contradiction.
It will be fun waterboarding all the D party psychopaths ... the R party psychopaths of course think they are exempt ...
You are withdrawing into sarc again.
Which magical dragon are you referring to? The red and white dragons of Myrlyn, or those of the Chinese, or Dragonball Z, etc?
I hope you aren't supporting waterboarding anyone in reality...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 06, 2018, 08:20:42 PM
You are withdrawing into sarc again.
Which magical dragon are you referring to? The red and white dragons of Myrlyn, or those of the Chinese, or Dragonball Z, etc?
I hope you aren't supporting waterboarding anyone in reality...
Not I ... but then that is why we have the State. To discover enemies both foreign and domestic, and to dispose of them. So yes, those who will, try their hand at revolution ... and be disposed of.
Quote from: Baruch on February 06, 2018, 11:10:08 PM
Not I ... but then that is why we have the State. To discover enemies both foreign and domestic, and to dispose of them. So yes, those who will, try their hand at revolution ... and be disposed of.
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical". Jefferson
Quote from: Cavebear on February 06, 2018, 11:50:07 PM
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical". Jefferson
Quote slave owners and slave rapists much?
And no, if you want a French Revolution, go to France to do it. They need to be executed.
Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 07:01:39 AM
Quote slave owners and slave rapists much?
And no, if you want a French Revolution, go to France to do it. They need to be executed.
Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of. The important thing is that we do our best to imagine a better world and struggle on, stammerring and shambling, towards it.
I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...
We could make a long list of things to be ashamed of...
You are simply excusing your poor choice of quotation. If Jefferson believed anything he said, he would have manumitted his own slaves at death, or better yet while still alive.
Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 07:09:56 AM
You are simply excusing your poor choice of quotation. If Jefferson believed anything he said, he would have manumitted his own slaves at death, or better yet while still alive.
I won't be draw into a complete defense of Jefferson. He was wrong about some things, right about others.
WE can do better.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 07:06:01 AM
Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of.
I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...
For this generation we should be ashamed of Dodart Jigalo Trump. What they say about us in 2118 will probably be influenced by our decision to keep him or get rid of him.
I think it would be a good idea for Mueller to prosecute Trump before Trump fires him. The Constitution requires that the president be impeached for criminal activity. There is no grounds to say he can not be prosecuted. Sitting members of Congress can be prosecuted when a real crime is committed. They can not be prosecuted on frivolous charges. Only in a republican wet-dream would Mueller be charging Trump on frivolous charges. BTW the Constitution says that the president can not pardon anyone for an impeachable offense. i.e. Trump can not pardon himself to get out of imprachment
Quote from: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 07:06:01 AM
Every generation and century has things to be ashamed of. The important thing is that we do our best to imagine a better world and struggle on, stammerring and shambling, towards it.
I dread to think what our descendants in 2118 will think of the horrible people WE were...
We could make a long list of things to be ashamed of...
In the future peopl will look in the past and say "Can you believe those barbarians had ate animals and were mostly hetrosexual?"
Apparently Chump's never even been a billionaire - just a wanna-be! Nothing but a con man, that's our president:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELs9HF5xIPo
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2018, 01:44:06 PM
Apparently Chump's never even been a billionaire - just a wanna-be! Nothing but a con man, that's our president:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELs9HF5xIPo
Why do you think he never revealed his tax returns??
Huh. Out of $200 million that he took in from his father altogether, and according to this, has maybe only $400 million. That's 50 years for a doubling time. That comes out to an interest rate of a measly 1.44%.
Yeah. Genius businessman. He could have literally put his $200 mil into a savings account and be richer than he is right now.
Too bad the snowflakes are melting again, like a year ago. Is this an annual thing now?
Sorry, if they knew then, what is known now ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAOijFfqXWo
Bill Clinton would not only be the second President to be impeached (indicted) but also the first to be convicted.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 08, 2018, 04:24:07 AM
In the future peopl will look in the past and say "Can you believe those barbarians had ate animals and were mostly hetrosexual?"
If the future world is homosexual, there won't be many people, LOL!
Quote from: fencerider on February 08, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
For this generation we should be ashamed of Dodart Jigalo Trump. What they say about us in 2118 will probably be influenced by our decision to keep him or get rid of him.
I think it would be a good idea for Mueller to prosecute Trump before Trump fires him. The Constitution requires that the president be impeached for criminal activity. There is no grounds to say he can not be prosecuted. Sitting members of Congress can be prosecuted when a real crime is committed. They can not be prosecuted on frivolous charges. Only in a republican wet-dream would Mueller be charging Trump on frivolous charges. BTW the Constitution says that the president can not pardon anyone for an impeachable offense. i.e. Trump can not pardon himself to get out of imprachment
A Republican Congress will never impeach Trump.
Impeachment is not for regular crimes. It is poorly understood. The President can be "impeached" for anything. It is a political decision by Congress to remove a President (and some other elected officials) from office.
If impeached, a trial is conducted in the Senate. IF convicted, the President is thereby removed from office.
THEN, the former President may or may not be charged with crimes in regular court.
Thanks. You did learn something in poli-sci.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 09, 2018, 02:29:38 AM
A Republican Congress will never impeach Trump.
Impeachment is not for regular crimes. It is poorly understood. The President can be "impeached" for anything. It is a political decision by Congress to remove a President (and some other elected officials) from office.
If impeached, a trial is conducted in the Senate. IF convicted, the President is thereby removed from office.
THEN, the former President may or may not be charged with crimes in regular court.
To the best of my knowledge, it's not entirely settled as to whether a president is immune from regular prosecution while in office. The grand jury that handed down the Watergate indictments wanted to indict Nixon, but Jaworsky talked them down to only naming him an unindicted co-conspirator because he didn't want to open that can of Constitutional wormsâ€"it would have been a major distraction to the investigation.
I thinkâ€"obligatory I Am Not A Lawyer here, but I am a PoliSci grad with a particular interest in Constitutional balancesâ€"that it's still an undecided matter if the President can be held responsible outside the impeachment process for a criminal matter, while still in office. For political matters, only the impeachment process applies.
So, for example, if the Orange Disaster Area really
did go out and shoot someone in Times Square, he couldn't hide behind executive privilege unless it could be demonstrated that it was in the course of executing (no pun intended) his duties and responsibilities under the Constitution, and even then he'd have a hell of a time of it.
The law is always murky, either because human behavior is murky, or the legal profession is murky. Nothing is ever settled, because there is always another jurisdiction or another judge.
One other thing occurs to me, and I not only don't have a good answer either way on it, I don't even know which way I lean.
If a President is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate over a criminal matter, would further legal proceedings in the criminal court system constitute double jeopardy under the Fifth Amendment?
I think he should be impeached just for this:
(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1440,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1518102074/180208-stern-trump-hair-tease_hiy8tu)
You can pine all day long for the nostalgic ideas of 3rd parties, but until someone or large groups of someone's can garner enough money to take over and control the mass media we're stuck with 2 parties. It's the monied interests that control politics and not mere wishful thinking about the 3rd party that has yet to make any significant dent.
The Rs and Ds still control by far the lions share of all the wealth in the world and without a militaristic overthrow they'll continue to control it...and who do you suppose controls the military? Hint: It ain't 3rd party candidates.
Once Trump finishes his only term in office he can then be prosecuted fully and probably convicted and hopefully sent to serve the rest of his days in a maximum security prison.
It's probably never going to happen, but in legalese it could conceivably occur.
I'd prefer he be sent to Guantanamo and held in the Muslim radical section.. That would be some sweet justice.. It won't happen, but gee, sure would make my balls tingle with delight..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 09, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
You can pine all day long for the nostalgic ideas of 3rd parties, but until someone or large groups of someone's can garner enough money to take over and control the mass media we're stuck with 2 parties. It's the monied interests that control politics and not mere wishful thinking about the 3rd party that has yet to make any significant dent.
The Rs and Ds still control by far the lions share of all the wealth in the world and without a militaristic overthrow they'll continue to control it...and who do you suppose controls the military? Hint: It ain't 3rd party candidates.
The most likely source for a moderately successful third party right now, alas, are the teabaggers, and all it will take is someone like the Kochs to bankroll it.
On the plus side, that would fracture the GOP right up the middle and a lot of congressional districts might go blue when the other votes are split between the classic GOP and the wingnuts.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 09, 2018, 03:43:49 PM
You can pine all day long for the nostalgic ideas of 3rd parties, but until someone or large groups of someone's can garner enough money to take over and control the mass media we're stuck with 2 parties. It's the monied interests that control politics and not mere wishful thinking about the 3rd party that has yet to make any significant dent.
The Rs and Ds still control by far the lions share of all the wealth in the world and without a militaristic overthrow they'll continue to control it...and who do you suppose controls the military? Hint: It ain't 3rd party candidates.
It isn't the parties either. The CIA controls the media, and both parties. This is for your own good. Now go on and pay attention to your own business, citizen.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 09, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Once Trump finishes his only term in office he can then be prosecuted fully and probably convicted and hopefully sent to serve the rest of his days in a maximum security prison.
It's probably never going to happen, but in legalese it could conceivably occur.
I'd prefer he be sent to Guantanamo and held in the Muslim radical section.. That would be some sweet justice.. It won't happen, but gee, sure would make my balls tingle with delight..
If I were the father of the owner of a certain blue dress, I would skin some former President, alive (not really).
Quote from: trdsf on February 09, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
One other thing occurs to me, and I not only don't have a good answer either way on it, I don't even know which way I lean.
If a President is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate over a criminal matter, would further legal proceedings in the criminal court system constitute double jeopardy under the Fifth Amendment?
I don't think so. Conviction in the Senate only results in loss of office, not jail time.
I don't know if this has been discussed here yet, but it really scares me into thinking that theocracy isn't very far off for the U.S.A.:
Meet Donald Trump’s New Evangelical Advisory Board (https://thinkprogress.org/meet-donald-trumps-new-evangelical-advisory-board-6a5bfc5460d7/)
I may have heard about this before, somewhere, but I apparently forgot about it. It's not a thing I want to forget about, though, as dangerous as it seems to be.
But then, there's this:
Trump’s environmental good news (https://religionnews.com/2018/02/06/trumps-environmental-good-news/)
QuoteThe good news out of Washington is that the White House has withdrawn the nomination of Kathleen Hartnett White to head the President’s Council of Environmental Quality. A leading shill for the carbon industry, the one-time chair of the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality would have joined Energy Secretary Rick Perry and EPA Administrator Greg Pruitt in a troika of climate change deniers driving the Trump Administration’s environmental policies.
But his next pick for the post could be even worse. As I keep having to say over and over since the last election, we'll just have to wait and see.
Ah, of course. The Orange Disaster Area is perfectly happy to release a Republican memo against the advice of both his DoJ and the FBI, but oh no he has to block the Democrats' memo, even though its release was unanimously approved by the House Intelligence committee (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43012430)â€"unlike Nunes' crayon scribblings, which went out on a party-line vote. You know, the one that had a Russian-backed social media push to have it released (http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1).
This House would have already impeached any Democratic President who had done a tenth of this shit. So instead of #ReleaseTheMemo, how about #FuckingRepublicanHypocrites?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 10, 2018, 02:48:46 PM
I don't know if this has been discussed here yet, but it really scares me into thinking that theocracy isn't very far off for the U.S.A.:
Meet Donald Trump’s New Evangelical Advisory Board (https://thinkprogress.org/meet-donald-trumps-new-evangelical-advisory-board-6a5bfc5460d7/)
I may have heard about this before, somewhere, but I apparently forgot about it. It's not a thing I want to forget about, though, as dangerous as it seems to be.
How is that different than Reagan or George W? Carter was/is a very religious Southern Baptist. We were planned as the second Israel/Atlantis by Francis Bacon. As you are an atheist, I am sure if there is even one religious person in your town, you are hiding under your bed ;-) But that is unnecessary. Most of us don't bite (and neither do atheists).
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 10, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
But then, there's this:
Trump’s environmental good news (https://religionnews.com/2018/02/06/trumps-environmental-good-news/)
But his next pick for the post could be even worse. As I keep having to say over and over since the last election, we'll just have to wait and see.
Stop carbon now, by walking to work/shopping.
Quote from: trdsf on February 10, 2018, 04:26:12 PM
Ah, of course. The Orange Disaster Area is perfectly happy to release a Republican memo against the advice of both his DoJ and the FBI, but oh no he has to block the Democrats' memo, even though its release was unanimously approved by the House Intelligence committee (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43012430)â€"unlike Nunes' crayon scribblings, which went out on a party-line vote. You know, the one that had a Russian-backed social media push to have it released (http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1).
This House would have already impeached any Democratic President who had done a tenth of this shit. So instead of #ReleaseTheMemo, how about #FuckingRepublicanHypocrites?
The Republican memo was redacted, because it had to be. The Democrat memo can be released too, after it is redacted. It is D-party psychosis ... that there is a vast Right Wing conspiracy to aid our Reptilian invaders. And of course R-party is hypocrites, they are traitors, same as the D-party traitors. Y'all get a room, in the dark, with knives, and we will see who, if anyone, makes it out. I can definitely not mind losing 200 million mentally broken Americans. The remaining 120 million of us, won't miss either of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogBawPAgQjo
"The opposition party didn't clap for me. Waahhh!"
Get this buffoon out of office ASAP.
*edit - Also, disingenuous editing. The Dems sat stonefaced during some seriously objectionable boasts and Trump's least objectionable statements (and a "USA! USA!" chant) were dubbed over that.
I want a YouTube of a Clinton orgy on Pleasure Island ... courtesy of Jeffrey Epstein. Who was friends with a lot of people, including Donald Trump. In fact, I won't vote for another Presidential candidate, unless they are a porn star, and I can watch how well they perform on YouTube.
Yeah, those traitorous Democrats ought to move to France, or something. ;)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 11, 2018, 05:47:54 PM
Yeah, those traitorous Democrats ought to move to France, or something. ;)
With time machine. Particularly Madame Defarge. Feminism didn't start in the US, in the 1960s. Stick that in your croissant.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 09, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Once Trump finishes his only term in office he can then be prosecuted fully and probably convicted and hopefully sent to serve the rest of his days in a maximum security prison.
or in the psyche ward
Quote from: trdsf on February 09, 2018, 01:48:47 PM
One other thing occurs to me, and I not only don't have a good answer either way on it, I don't even know which way I lean.
If a President is impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate over a criminal matter, would further legal proceedings in the criminal court system constitute double jeopardy under the Fifth Amendment?
The best explanation I have heard says basically that a President is immune to direct criminal indictment. The correction is to impeach and convict the President removing him from office. THEN the former President is subject to criminal indictments.
If Hillary had been elected we'd never have the possibility of having a space force, but the Space Cadet in Chief will give us one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfHPLpXKfWg
Presumably it would look a lot like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNzjOjW5ymw
Started with President Reagan's Star Wars program. I knew one of the program manager (contractor) proposal leaders (back in 1988). My employer's proposal (I wasn't involved, natch) failed due to failure to listen carefully to the customer (find out what they want, before you propose to meet that want).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Command
Until last year it was ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Functional_Component_Command_for_Space
But as of this year it is ... a Joint Force Space Component under USSTRATCOM (I guess that makes it an HQ not a functional unit).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Strategic_Command
This over-all organization includes the recently created ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command
NSA goes back to Bletchley Park cooperation between the US and Britain during WW II.
So yes, regardless of who the President is, this stuff is real, and has been for a long time. Thank G-d the Brits have Dr Who and the Tardis! Guess he was off fighting space monsters (or The Master) while the Russian turncoat and his daughter were hit with special nerve gas last week ;-(
Well, I'm sure we need a space force - how else will we be able to fight and defeat Ming the Merciless?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
Well, I'm sure we need a space force - how else will we be able to fight and defeat Ming the Merciless?
You are no Flash Gordon!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzFwECV8Kkk
President Xi is Ming the Merciless. All you round eyes, bow down now!
No, I'm Flesh Gordon!
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2018, 08:03:21 PM
No, I'm Flesh Gordon!
I don't seem to have that one in my video collection. But I would like to have the one Putin seems to have on Trump...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:36:45 AM
I don't seem to have that one in my video collection. But I would like to have the one Putin seems to have on Trump...
Here is the one we have on Putin ... long live Russia! I expect a like from Munch, for the usual reasons ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHaVH9HhfI
GODDAMN!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lgbt-alarm-as-trump-signs-religious-liberty-exec-order
Quote[The orderâ€"first reported Wednesday night by Religion News Serviceâ€"will “help ensure that faith-based organizations have equal access to government funding and equal right to exercise their deeply-held beliefs,†Trump said.
But if those last three wordsâ€"“deeply-held beliefsâ€â€"sound familiar, it’s because they are often used to justify anti-LGBT legislation in the name of “religious freedom.†Indeed, LGBT advocates say that the executive order is yet another federal action that could potentially encourage discrimination against LGBT people in the name of religion.
“We’re very concerned because this administration has a pattern of inviting discrimination in the name of religion,†Camilla Taylor, Director of Constitutional Litigation for the LGBT legal advocacy group Lambda Legal, told The Daily Beast shortly before the Rose Garden event./quote]
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 03, 2018, 10:30:18 PM
GODDAMN!
https://www.thedailybeast.com/lgbt-alarm-as-trump-signs-religious-liberty-exec-order
Quote[The orderâ€"first reported Wednesday night by Religion News Serviceâ€"will “help ensure that faith-based organizations have equal access to government funding and equal right to exercise their deeply-held beliefs,†Trump said.
But if those last three wordsâ€"“deeply-held beliefsâ€â€"sound familiar, it’s because they are often used to justify anti-LGBT legislation in the name of “religious freedom.†Indeed, LGBT advocates say that the executive order is yet another federal action that could potentially encourage discrimination against LGBT people in the name of religion.
“We’re very concerned because this administration has a pattern of inviting discrimination in the name of religion,†Camilla Taylor, Director of Constitutional Litigation for the LGBT legal advocacy group Lambda Legal, told The Daily Beast shortly before the Rose Garden event.
As if I needed another reason to vote in next Tuesday's primary and this fall's general... I've really had enough of this christian sharia bullshit.
By all means, vote. But it takes even more than voting to promote whatever X agenda you have. You have to participate in the guts of whatever party you support, for free. And throw money at them too ... and not just during elections. Voters are passive aggressive, when they aren't passive passive.
It seems we've taken another step in the path leading to theocracy.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 04, 2018, 01:33:21 PM
It seems we've taken another step in the path leading to theocracy.
Sorry, atheism will always be a minority position, same as vegetarianism. Nothing wrong with it, but manifest destiny it ain't.
The US was founded by deists, freemasons, christians, jews ... not too many muslims around back then. But there was Egyptmania .. courtesy of the freemasons ... ever notice the Washington Monument? That is the sun god, Ra's penis. George Washington is giving the ignorant US, the fickle finder of fate.
Didn't Obama go to the National Prayer Breakfast?
Oh, so you're a p
Quote from: Baruch on May 04, 2018, 06:27:38 PM
Sorry, atheism will always be a minority position, same as vegetarianism. Nothing wrong with it, but manifest destiny it ain't.
Oh, so now you're a prophet?
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 04, 2018, 06:47:55 PM
Oh, so you're a pOh, so now you're a prophet?
Yes, it is inevitable we will evolve into big brained Grey aliens, we were visited by our time traveling descendants in the 1950s.
Atheists have a divine right to disbelieve.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 04, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
Atheists have a divine right to disbelieve.
Just don't try that outside of Buckingham Palace.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 04, 2018, 07:15:55 PM
Atheists have a divine right to disbelieve.
Mild objection: It plays into the hands of those who are convinced we atheists BELIEVE is some sort of deity. Other than that, good joke.
The problem with debating with Baruch is that you occasionally have to read his posts. I generally try not to to save myself the rolling of the eyes. If his posts suddenly get factual and serious, let me know.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 05, 2018, 02:43:06 AM
The problem with debating with Baruch is that you occasionally have to read his posts. I generally try not to to save myself the rolling of the eyes. If his posts suddenly get factual and serious, let me know.
When everyone starts agreeing with me, I will stop ignoring them ;-)
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/05/trumps-white-house-faith-office-is-a-white-evangel.html
Theocracy here we come
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 17, 2018, 03:20:23 PM
https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/05/trumps-white-house-faith-office-is-a-white-evangel.html
Theocracy here we come
The evangelists have turned a blind eye to the moral failings of Trump and sycophants in exchange for legislation and executive orders they have long desired.
That doesn't say a lot of good things about THEM, does it?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 01:37:32 AM
The evangelists have turned a blind eye to the moral failings of Trump and sycophants in exchange for legislation and executive orders they have long desired.
That doesn't say a lot of good things about THEM, does it?
These are the same people who doubled down on Roy Moore after it came out he was a kiddie fiddler. Because, I suppose, he was molesting underage girls FOR JAY-ZUS!
Quote from: trdsf on May 19, 2018, 08:14:04 AM
These are the same people who doubled down on Roy Moore after it came out he was a kiddie fiddler. Because, I suppose, he was molesting underage girls FOR JAY-ZUS!
Since January 2017, I have been rather "intellectually" (but not ethically) admiring the mental flexibility of the moral fanatics who have suddenly discovered that an amoral creep who brags about abusing women "because he can", has non-disclosure agreements with enough women to keep a lawyer busy full time, encourages foreign nations to bribe him, and speaks out of both sides of his mouth is A FINE PERSON TO SUPPORT AS PRESIDENT!
Well, no real surprise. Every politician knows that if they make loud noises in the collection plate, they will discover ALL is forgiven.
But "impeach Trump"? Ain't never gonna happen. The House "probably" wouldn't and the Senate for sure would never vote the 2/3 majority required even if some lunatic taped grenades to their heads!
Instead, go vote Democratic in November this year and in 2020
The House and the Senate can't impeach Trump, but we voters can. Some people may miss voting day. *I* am counting down the days NOW. I can't wait! It can't come too soon.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 08:45:31 AM
But "impeach Trump"? Ain't never gonna happen. The House "probably" wouldn't and the Senate for sure would never vote the 2/3 majority required even if some lunatic taped grenades to their heads!
Instead, go vote Democratic in November this year and in 2020
The House and the Senate can't impeach Trump, but we voters can. Some people may miss voting day. *I* am counting down the days NOW. I can't wait! It can't come too soon.
The only practical political advice you have given. If you don't vote, don't complain. Too bad identity politics gets in the way ... only a Black gay Hispanic women can hit all the buttons in a D-campaign. Keep pissing off all the White straight Anglo men and see what it gets you.
Quote from: Baruch on May 19, 2018, 11:43:56 AM
The only practical political advice you have given. If you don't vote, don't complain. Too bad identity politics gets in the way ... only a Black gay Hispanic women can hit all the buttons in a D-campaign. Keep pissing off all the Whit straight Anglo men and see what it gets you.
OK. I'm here. *sigh*
"Black gay Hispanic women"? Is there anyone other than straight Causasian males you DON'T hate? Of course, that assumes you like ME (a straight Caucasian male) who is also an atheist.
I must also LMAO at you connecting Black and Hispanic. You DO know that Hispanics are from Spain and that Spain was settled by the same goth/visigoth/frankish peoples who settled in most of Europe after Rome collapsed and then became the epitome of "white", right? And that it was the Romans who were (dare I say?) Phoenicians from (god help you) THE MIDDLE EAST!
You are, without a doubt, the most screwed-up self-proclaimed "educated" person I have ever met. I am ashamed to share a "race" with you. Except of course, there is no such thing in reality as "race", but deep down, you probably don't agree with that.
So rejoice, REJOICE I SAY, I have responded to one of your posts, recognizing your existence, (but only personally, in my own mind, considering that the Admins are watching over us all) thinking you a very well-self-developed complete idiot!
You are back on "ignore".
I don't hate anyone. And I think that D-creatures lie when they say how much they love minorities. They want their money and their vote, but nothing else. That is why African-Americans didn't come out for Hillary like they came out for Barak.
Yes, virtue signaling is a kind of obsession with New Englanders.
In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess. I'll have to work to get out of this thread.
You say you don't hate anyone, but you sure don't like anyone NOT LIKE YOU. I do like other people. My deepest known ancestors came here early (from a European, not native American POV). Us in the 1600s, Canada in the 1600s. Since that time we marrid into about every immigrant group that has arrived or fallen onto our shores.
I am English, Scots, Irish, French, Norman, Scandanavian, , Russin, Slovakian, and probaly some where else everywhere. I have nieces who are part Korean. A DNA test says I am partly east asian and partly Middle Eastern, I'm from everywhere.n And if you met me, you would say I was English.
What I am is American. And if you disagree, I will take a shillelagh and lööma your dry sonn! OK?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 19, 2018, 02:22:09 PM
In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess. I'll have to work to get out of this thread.
You say you don't hate anyone, but you sure don't like anyone NOT LIKE YOU. I do like other people. My deepest known ancestors came here early (from a European, not native American POV). Us in the 1600s, Canada in the 1600s. Since that time we marrid into about every immigrant group that has arrived or fallen onto our shores.
I am English, Scots, Irish, French, Norman, Scandanavian, , Russin, Slovakian, and probaly some where else everywhere. I have nieces who are part Korean. A DNA test says I am partly east asian and partly Middle Eastern, I'm from everywhere.n And if you met me, you would say I was English.
What I am is American. And if you disagree, I will take a shillelagh and lööma your dry sonn! OK?
People not like me? Politically obsessed people aren't like me - but i enjoy gigging them. I only mention politics here because it is far more important to posters than say .. philosophy. I also keep one eye pealed for the Left and one for the Right, just in case.
I include many people as American ... but people still fighting the Civil War, from the North side, are Yanks in the Attic vs Confederates in the Attic (name of a book). One can have many a theory about what is going on, but we really don't know.
Quote from: Baruch on May 20, 2018, 12:58:22 AM
One can have many a theory about what is going on, but we really don't know.
But you know that Hillary is running the Illuminati, right? And she was responsible for the last recession, and the cost of tea in China.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 20, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
But you know that Hillary is running the Illuminati, right? And she was responsible for the last recession, and the cost of tea in China.
She is a minor character actor, compared to QEII and the Pope. And the D-party is a children's party compared to royalty and the Vatican. Don't mistake the hired help, for the owners.
Pamela Churchill was a latter day Mata Hari ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9W_Ar0YY5Y
Her last husband, Averell Harriman, the boss of the D-party at one point, and one of the founders of the CIA, she cultivated the Clintons when nobody knew who they were. MI6 runs everything. Including the 2016 US Presidential election ... Americans only think they aren't a part of the Commonwealth. It is convenient for the Queen to let them think so.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 20, 2018, 06:21:38 PM
But you know that Hillary is running the Illuminati, right? And she was responsible for the last recession, and the cost of tea in China.
I will take that as sarcasm or satire, or even a straight-forward joke. But not seriously.
You should never take seriously anything I say. ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 22, 2018, 01:29:42 PM
You should never take seriously anything I say. ;-)
Quite the opposite, you are one of the few truly intelligent people here. Not knocking the others. Someone has to do janitorial duty ;-) ... "Flowers For Algernon"
Quote from: Baruch on May 22, 2018, 08:26:40 PM
... "Flowers For Algernon"
Funny you should mention that. Told someone the other day that that story is the blueprint for what it feels like to grow old. The memory of hitting that home run, making that great football catch, all the tennis aces, pouring coffee without spilling any....................and on and on. I can remember those things--won't happen again. Could be depressing, if I let it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 23, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
Funny you should mention that. Told someone the other day that that story is the blueprint for what it feels like to grow old. The memory of hitting that home run, making that great football catch, all the tennis aces, pouring coffee without spilling any....................and on and on. I can remember those things--won't happen again. Could be depressing, if I let it.
It is very much like descriptions of Alzheimers in particular.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 22, 2018, 01:29:42 PM
You should never take seriously anything I say. ;-)
Should I treat all your future statements that way?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 23, 2018, 09:23:33 AM
Funny you should mention that. Told someone the other day that that story is the blueprint for what it feels like to grow old. The memory of hitting that home run, making that great football catch, all the tennis aces, pouring coffee without spilling any....................and on and on. I can remember those things--won't happen again. Could be depressing, if I let it.
I read 'Flowers For Algernon' when it was first published was published in 1966 and was joint winner of that year's Nebula Award for Best Novel (the original publication was before my reading time). I cried at the end. I did not, however think of it in terms of aging. I was too young. I can understand it in that way now though.
I turned 68 this week. That's not "old" in today's terms in an industrial society, but I understand I am getting there. 78 will be harder, 88 might be the end. I don't want to be like Charlie...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
I read 'Flowers For Algernon' when it was first published was published in 1966 and was joint winner of that year's Nebula Award for Best Novel (the original publication was before my reading time). I cried at the end. I did not, however think of it in terms of aging. I was too young. I can understand it in that way now though.
I turned 68 this week. That's not "old" in today's terms in an industrial society, but I understand I am getting there. 78 will be harder, 88 might be the end. I don't want to be like Charlie...
Kudos. I think I read it, as a school reading assignment, before 1974. Same reaction then as you, same realization of mortality now as you. Last 5 years got to watch my mother slowly die. No fun at all for either of us. If you haven't dealt closely with a dying relative, don't if it can be avoided. That way what is coming upon you, will be a surprise! And the cats are not much help either.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
I read 'Flowers For Algernon' when it was first published was published in 1966 and was joint winner of that year's Nebula Award for Best Novel (the original publication was before my reading time). I cried at the end. I did not, however think of it in terms of aging. I was too young. I can understand it in that way now though.
I turned 68 this week. That's not "old" in today's terms in an industrial society, but I understand I am getting there. 78 will be harder, 88 might be the end. I don't want to be like Charlie...
You do have a choice. Become like Charlie------or die. Take your pick........................
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 25, 2018, 09:24:54 AM
You do have a choice. Become like Charlie------or die. Take your pick........................
Since he isn't a snowflake, he doesn't get to claim a third choice.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 25, 2018, 09:24:54 AM
You do have a choice. Become like Charlie------or die. Take your pick........................
Was that the choice? I think the idea was that we (collectively) are both "Charlies". Some struggling through life, and some easing along understanding almost everything. The point of the story, (beyond the obvious exaggerations) was that there was a Charlie who drops dishes and barely understands written words, and a Charlie who can think brilliantly. And the 3rd party was the teacher who saw both sides of all of us.
And let me say that I don't ignore the surface level of the story from the teacher's POV. It is all tragic on the surface. I feel for her at the start, the middle, and the end. When Charlie returns to the class at the end, I cry for her too. She "knew him when" at both extremes, and saw what he "could have been".
And don't forget to cry for Algernon... He briefly sensed that he knew something more than other mice, and lost that, as Charlie did.
Very nice analysis.
Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2018, 11:31:19 AM
Very nice analysis.
Oh crap, now I guess I have to take you off "ignore"... For a while...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
Oh crap, now I guess I have to take you off "ignore"... For a while...
If you are a literature critic, do you have to put a dragon fang thru it, because it is a horucrux?
Quote from: Baruch on May 25, 2018, 11:42:32 AM
If you are a literature critic, do you have to put a dragon fang thru it, because it is a horucrux?
Of course. As we drink the Amontillado.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 12:37:07 AM
I read 'Flowers For Algernon' when it was first published was published in 1966 and was joint winner of that year's Nebula Award for Best Novel (the original publication was before my reading time). I cried at the end. I did not, however think of it in terms of aging. I was too young. I can understand it in that way now though.
You and me both. Although I read it as a SF-horror story. Back in the mid-70s when I first read it, I was coming at it as someone who had always not only relied upon, but prized his own intellect. It was with a mounting sense of genuine terror that I continued to read back down through the descent, hoping for something to stop the fall, knowing that it wasn't going to happen because it wasn't that kind of book.
I have a copy, but I approach it only gingerly and occasionally, and it's probably why I overreact internally when I do something innocent but dumb like forget my phone or my rain jacket or, as I've done a couple times now, that I've put water on to boil and come into the kitchen only to see about half an inch of rapidly evaporating water... time for a proper tea kettle with a whistle, I guess. Walking into the living room and wondering what the hell I was doing in there really frightens me when it happens.
Quote from: trdsf on May 25, 2018, 12:56:22 PM
You and me both. Although I read it as a SF-horror story. Back in the mid-70s when I first read it, I was coming at it as someone who had always not only relied upon, but prized his own intellect. It was with a mounting sense of genuine terror that I continued to read back down through the descent, hoping for something to stop the fall, knowing that it wasn't going to happen because it wasn't that kind of book.
I have a copy, but I approach it only gingerly and occasionally, and it's probably why I overreact internally when I do something innocent but dumb like forget my phone or my rain jacket or, as I've done a couple times now, that I've put water on to boil and come into the kitchen only to see about half an inch of rapidly evaporating water... time for a proper tea kettle with a whistle, I guess. Walking into the living room and wondering what the hell I was doing in there really frightens me when it happens.
That, my friend, is amazing! I never thought of it that way. While it is difficult to recall precisely where some story line turned, I remember having chills up my spine when Charlie understood he was beyond the comprehension of Ms. Kinnian. But I still considered it a sci-fi plot though a tragedy.
Thinking of it now with your suggestions, I can see it as a sort of modern gothic tragedy. Scary brilliant person, caring average person, ascent and fall...
As a teen though, I think it made me think of learning and the fear of failing, but also such profound sadness for both Charlie and Algernon.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 01:09:42 PM
That, my friend, is amazing! I never thought of it that way. While it is difficult to recall precisely where some story line turned, I remember having chills up my spine when Charlie understood he was beyond the comprehension of Ms. Kinnian. But I still considered it a sci-fi plot though a tragedy.
Oh, I know exactly the line that did me in: "Algernon bit me." Just those three little words, that foreshadowed everything that was going to happen. I got a certain tightness in the chest and tremor up the spine just typing it out. And what made it worse was that you knew Charlie knew what it meant. It's like being told you have Alzheimer's while you still have enough of yourself left to fully grasp what that means.
Quote from: trdsf on May 25, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
Oh, I know exactly the line that did me in: "Algernon bit me." Just those three little words, that foreshadowed everything that was going to happen. I got a certain tightness in the chest and tremor up the spine just typing it out. And what made it worse was that you knew Charlie knew what it meant. It's like being told you have Alzheimer's while you still have enough of yourself left to fully grasp what that means.
Yeah. I had a different line. Something about Ms. Killian talking to Charlie about a book and she could understand the connectiond he was making.
Like in Ender's Game when you first realized the "game" was real.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 01:46:30 PM
Yeah. I had a different line. Something about Ms. Killian talking to Charlie about a book and she could understand the connectiond he was making.
Like in Ender's Game when you first realized the "game" was real.
As I travel down this road, I grow to appreciate something my mom would say, time to time. 'Growing old is not for the weak!'
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 25, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
As I travel down this road, I grow to appreciate something my mom would say, time to time. 'Growing old is not for the weak!'
MY Mom ended that sentence with "for sissies" but the thought is the same. She golfed until she couldn't, she cooked until she couldn't, she walked until she couldn't. She wrote letters until she couldn't then bought a non-computer memory machine for typing (a "Brother"?), then used a pen held in both hands when that was all she could manage. Until she couldn't.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:28:21 AM
MY Mom ended that sentence with "for sissies" but the thought is the same. She golfed until she couldn't, she cooked until she couldn't, she walked until she couldn't. She wrote letters until she couldn't then bought a non-computer memory machine for typing (a "Brother"?), then used a pen held in both hands when that was all she could manage. Until she couldn't.
My Mom did the same, including golf. And smoking like a chimney. She last golfed when she was 86. She smoked for 75 years. They don't make moms like that anymore ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 06:46:14 AM
My Mom did the same, including golf. And smoking like a chimney. She last golfed when she was 86. She smoked for 75 years. They don't make moms like that anymore ;-)
Congrats to both our Moms.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:28:21 AM
MY Mom ended that sentence with "for sissies" but the thought is the same. She golfed until she couldn't, she cooked until she couldn't, she walked until she couldn't. She wrote letters until she couldn't then bought a non-computer memory machine for typing (a "Brother"?), then used a pen held in both hands when that was all she could manage. Until she couldn't.
Seems like our mothers had much in common. If that is accurate, then we were lucky sons.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 29, 2018, 12:17:56 PM
Seems like our mothers had much in common. If that is accurate, then we were lucky sons.
Yeah, "good Mom genes".
Yup, he's at it again: now he claims an "absolute right" to pardon himself (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHN3IJ_j8A
...but even Nixon never claimed he could pardon himself.
Quote from: trdsf on June 04, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Yup, he's at it again: now he claims an "absolute right" to pardon himself (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434).
All those new "privacy policies" you've agreed to lately... Trump snuck this into the fine print. :-)
(http://i1.wp.com/www.frominsultstorespect.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/peanuts-and-blame.jpg?resize=600%2C808)
Quote from: trdsf on June 04, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Yup, he's at it again: now he claims an "absolute right" to pardon himself (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHN3IJ_j8A
...but even Nixon never claimed he could pardon himself.
Yeah, he thinks he can pardon himself, but I bet he never does whenever he farts.
Quote from: trdsf on June 04, 2018, 03:29:42 PM
Yup, he's at it again: now he claims an "absolute right" to pardon himself (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44359434).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiHN3IJ_j8A
...but even Nixon never claimed he could pardon himself.
Yes, there is Presidential privilege (as executive branch and as CinC). The US president isn't a ceremonial diplomat as that position is in some countries. There are three contending branches of government, neither is completely subordinate to the other.
Nixon should have done a coup, and attacked Congress directly, like Yeltsin did ;-) I no longer believe anyone does anything wrong, who opposes Democrats. ;-))
Trump may deserve impeachment, but it won't happen. First "impeachment" is merely a "bringing of charges" in the House. That only means a trial in the Senate. The Senate is not going to convict Trump of anything. The Chief Justice would be the Judge (with some House Members as Prosecutors) and require 67 Senators to vote to convict.
As a practical matter, that isn't going to happen, so forget about it. I mean, really seriously, forget about it...
Quote from: Cavebear on June 05, 2018, 03:51:53 AM
Trump may deserve impeachment, but it won't happen. First "impeachment" is merely a "bringing of charges" in the House. That only means a trial in the Senate. The Senate is not going to convict Trump of anything. The Chief Justice would be the Judge (with some House Members as Prosecutors) and require 67 Senators to vote to convict.
As a practical matter, that isn't going to happen, so forget about it. I mean, really seriously, forget about it...
Yes, but in 2019 after the 2018 November miracle, the Communist Millennials get out the vote and turn every elected office up for grabs, into a W European communist party membership.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 05, 2018, 03:51:53 AM
Trump may deserve impeachment, but it won't happen. First "impeachment" is merely a "bringing of charges" in the House. That only means a trial in the Senate. The Senate is not going to convict Trump of anything. The Chief Justice would be the Judge (with some House Members as Prosecutors) and require 67 Senators to vote to convict.
As a practical matter, that isn't going to happen, so forget about it. I mean, really seriously, forget about it...
Practically speaking, no, it's not going to happen. Although if the Democrats take control of the House this fall and bring charges, even if they don't go to the Senate, the Repub leadership may try to push him out, same as they did Nixon -- mostly out of fear for what might happen to them in 2020.
I wonder, if Chump is impeached, how many of his supporters would take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them?
Or at least try to end them.
Quote from: trdsf on June 05, 2018, 07:48:42 PM
Practically speaking, no, it's not going to happen. Although if the Democrats take control of the House this fall and bring charges, even if they don't go to the Senate, the Repub leadership may try to push him out, same as they did Nixon -- mostly out of fear for what might happen to them in 2020.
Nixon was undone by a coup from the FBI. Sound familiar? The R-party did nothing, the Deep State did everything.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 05, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
I wonder, if Chump is impeached, how many of his supporters would take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them?
Or at least try to end them.
Don't ask for civil war ... that way lies madness.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 05, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
I wonder, if Chump is impeached, how many of his supporters would take up arms against a sea of troubles, and by opposing, end them?
Or at least try to end them.
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 08, 2018, 01:05:22 AM
No more; and by a sleep, to say we end
the heart-ache, and the thousand natural shocks
that Flesh is heir to? 'Tis a consummation
devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
when we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
must give us pause.
Hamlet was a massive failure ... and psychotic.
But he was a lot of fun at parties...
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 08, 2018, 01:45:28 PM
But he was a lot of fun at parties...
Not if poisoned swords and chalices were involved ;-(
I keep hoping this Trump will be the last Trump, and if that's the case, the rapture will happen during his tenure:
QuoteIn a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Corinthians 15:52
After the rapture the rest of us can get on with having a great future.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2018, 02:19:34 PM
I keep hoping this Trump will be the last Trump, and if that's the case, the rapture will happen during his tenure:
1Corinthians 15:52
After the rapture the rest of us can get on with having a great future.
Not when you are actually reincarnated as cock-roaches per Hinduism. Gandhi said not to worry about the HaShoah ... righteous people who are murdered can hope to reincarnate as Hindus.
Flowers for Algernon to add a different twist to your outlook, I will say that I read it too. I found it on the bookshelf at home. My mom said it was a required book for a psychology class she had in school. So I had the question of why this book was in a psychology class in the back of my head from the first page.
be nice if we could give some kind of intel enhancing drug to Trump for the next 3 years. the big dose; not the little one
Trump can and should be impeached for incompetence... maybe they keep him around because they realized he's so dumb they can get him to do anything they want him to do. Well we can hope its not because they are so dumb or loaded up on drugs that they think he is a smart guy
Quote from: fencerider on June 09, 2018, 10:41:30 PM
Trump can and should be impeached for incompetence... maybe they keep him around because they realized he's so dumb they can get him to do anything they want him to do. Well we can hope its not because they are so dumb or loaded up on drugs that they think he is a smart guy
I know this was partly in jest, but I actually think this is why they keep him around. They can get him to push through a whole lot of things potentially harmful to the middle class, and if something really backfires to come back at the party, they can blame it on Trump, with the old "buck stopped there" defense. If something actually works out well, they will all be there to take credit. In addition, I don't see Trump being the party's undoing. Republicans have shown amazing resiliency. Of course they only compete with one other party.
Quote from: SGOS on June 09, 2018, 10:58:01 PM
I know this was partly in jest, but I actually think this is why they keep him around. They can get him to push through a whole lot of things potentially harmful to the middle class, and if something really backfires to come back at the party, they can blame it on Trump, with the old "buck stopped there" defense. If something actually works out well, they will all be there to take credit. In addition, I don't see Trump being the party's undoing. Republicans have shown amazing resiliency. Of course they only compete with one other party.
No real competition ... Bernie bros only kept around for laughs. There is only the Goldman-Sachs party.
The real problem is that Trump is dumb, for he is not that. He is cunning. He appears dumb on the surface because he does not have the agenda of a typical politician; his major goal is to put money into his pocket and the pockets of those (mainly family) close to him. Everything is run thu that filter--how will this financially help me. Hell, even his golf puts money in his pocket since he uses his own courses. The closest parallel I can think of is a mafia boss. He is running this country as his 'family'. He is replacing the bureaucratic structure with is own people and at all levels. With 2 more years to go, it will impossible to undo all of those appointments. He is replacing patriotism with nationalism for a reason. He loves autocratic dictators and hopes to be one one day. He is actually so good at what he is doing that his presidency is much worse than I had imagined it would be. I have a bad feeling about 2020 (he could easily win that) and then what the hell will 2024 look like???
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2018, 01:14:50 PM
The real problem is that Trump is dumb, for he is not that. He is cunning. He appears dumb on the surface because he does not have the agenda of a typical politician; his major goal is to put money into his pocket and the pockets of those (mainly family) close to him. Everything is run thu that filter--how will this financially help me. Hell, even his golf puts money in his pocket since he uses his own courses. The closest parallel I can think of is a mafia boss. He is running this country as his 'family'. He is replacing the bureaucratic structure with is own people and at all levels. With 2 more years to go, it will impossible to undo all of those appointments. He is replacing patriotism with nationalism for a reason. He loves autocratic dictators and hopes to be one one day. He is actually so good at what he is doing that his presidency is much worse than I had imagined it would be. I have a bad feeling about 2020 (he could easily win that) and then what the hell will 2024 look like???
Nobody can predict the future. Not even the ADA election analysis software used by the Hillary campaign.
So yes, by all means, count your chickens before they hatch ... not at all clear about the 2018 electoral cycle, and any Dems elected will be more conservative than those currently in office. It has never been the plan (of Goldman-Sachs) to have the Dems nominate only Black Muslim gay trans-women for office ... no matter what propagandists claim.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2018, 01:14:50 PM
The real problem is that Trump is dumb, for he is not that. He is cunning. He appears dumb on the surface because he does not have the agenda of a typical politician; his major goal is to put money into his pocket and the pockets of those (mainly family) close to him. Everything is run thu that filter--how will this financially help me. Hell, even his golf puts money in his pocket since he uses his own courses. The closest parallel I can think of is a mafia boss. He is running this country as his 'family'. He is replacing the bureaucratic structure with is own people and at all levels. With 2 more years to go, it will impossible to undo all of those appointments. He is replacing patriotism with nationalism for a reason. He loves autocratic dictators and hopes to be one one day. He is actually so good at what he is doing that his presidency is much worse than I had imagined it would be. I have a bad feeling about 2020 (he could easily win that) and then what the hell will 2024 look like???
I'm hoping that by 2020 "The commander of Cheese" will have screwed things up so badly that the powers that be will have to put a Democrat in the office to clean things up before the next Republican gets in to fuck things up again. It's a game being played with us all, by someone who really doesn't know the rules.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 10, 2018, 05:44:40 PM
I'm hoping that by 2020 "The commander of Cheese" will have screwed things up so badly that the powers that be will have to put a Democrat in the office to clean things up before the next Republican gets in to fuck things up again. It's a game being played with us all, by someone who really doesn't know the rules.
This is how I see it. He hasn't fucked things up--not in his eyes nor the eyes of his followers. And he IS playing the game by the rules; his rules. And he is wildly successful so far. His bank account is probably much bigger than it was a year ago, but not as big as it will become. We are really talking at cross purposes when we talk about Trump. Most news media outlets talk of the 'accepted' rules, guidelines, morals and ethics of the past. Trump cares nothing about those. He does not follow them, and has never pretended to. He isn't now. Why should he? He has gotten away with all that he has wanted to and will continue to do so until people start talking to him (and the rest of us) in terms he understands.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2018, 02:19:34 PM
I keep hoping this Trump will be the last Trump, and if that's the case, the rapture will happen during his tenure:
1Corinthians 15:52
After the rapture the rest of us can get on with having a great future.
Well, when Trump goes, I won't exactly consider it The Rapture, but I might feel a minor secular rapture of general happiness and relief.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2018, 02:28:18 AM
Well, when Trump goes, I won't exactly consider it The Rapture, but I might feel a minor secular rapture of general happiness and relief.
How I felt when George W left the WH.
Yeah, how wrong I was to think we could never have a president worse than Dubya!
It seems like we have a Russian mole in the WH this time, surely the highest-placed mole in the history of this country.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Yeah, how wrong I was to think we could never have a president worse than Dubya!
It seems like we have a Russian mole in the WH this time, surely the highest-placed mole in the history of this country.
When Reagan was elected I thought. "He's an idiot". When Dubya was elected, I thought "OK THIS dimwit is a real idiot, Give me Reagan". When Trump was elected, I wanted Dubya back...
And I'm pretty sure now that I REALLY don't want to know who the next Republican President is whenever it happens.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Yeah, how wrong I was to think we could never have a president worse than Dubya!
It seems like we have a Russian mole in the WH this time, surely the highest-placed mole in the history of this country.
You are underestimating Boris Obama and Natasha Clinton. The question is who do they work for, who is Fearless Leader? Soros perhaps?
Yeah, right - got citations?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 06:07:48 PM
Yeah, right - got citations?
Uranium One. Anyone, even Palin who can see Russia from her porch ... are Fifth columnists. I am happy for Russia however, at least they have a country. All the US has is the final collapse of democratic corruption (notice small d).
What is it about Uranium One (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/) that you think has anything to do with anything?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2018, 06:55:37 PM
What is about Uranium One (https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/) that you think has anything to do with anything?
Political scandal doesn't require violation of the law. Per Nixon, it is impossible for the President to violate the law. Obama knew this too. So the question is political embarrassment and consequences. Are there consequences to what politicians do or not? I wish Obama wasn't involved, but afraid that he is one of all Presidents since Nixon, who are as ruthless as Nixon, as corrupt as Nixon. It is easier to think Obama was duped by the Clinton crime family.
Space Force is the newest Drumpf retardation.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 20, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
Space Force is the newest Drumpf retardation.
The Trump brain imagines and the Trump brain declares the world "SO".
Seriously, he has no sense of rational thought, and little sense of law. In fact, his entire family seems to consider "law" an inconvenience. I might exempt Melanija Knavs Trump as just married to him...
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 20, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
Space Force is the newest Drumpf retardation.
Yes, the Federal government needs to create a sixth branch of the military because, as Trump said, "When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space." I mean how expensive could American dominance in space possibly be? This will make Trump's wall look incidental.
(https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/0053_defense-comparison-full.gif)
Remember the days when Republicans at least pretended to want to shrink the Federal government? Of course, this entire announcement is another one of his distractions.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 20, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
Space Force is the newest Drumpf retardation.
Like the Wall, will never happen. This is just triggering fun toward the Left. Like shaking the ant farm up.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 20, 2018, 12:32:13 PM
Yes, the Federal government needs to create a sixth branch of the military because, as Trump said, "When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space." I mean how expensive could American dominance in space possibly be? This will make Trump's wall look incidental.
(https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/0053_defense-comparison-full.gif)
Remember the days when Republicans at least pretended to want to shrink the Federal government? Of course, this entire announcement is another one of his distractions.
The only reason to go into space was for the military, see Sputnik and Vanguard (failed) and Explorer (success). This isn't new. Most US rocket technology was developed from the V2 German missile. So this is a nothing-burger for me. I was involved in the militarizing of space back when I was an engineer during the Cold War. What is interesting about the proposal, is that the USAF is no longer considered competent enough to take care of space ... as they have since the 1960s.
Quote from: Baruch on June 20, 2018, 12:45:30 PM
This is just triggering fun toward the Left.
And Libertarians I would assume.
Now we will be able to really take the fight to Ming the Merciless! He's doomed I say, DOOMED!
I've heard of religious pareidolia. Now we have political pareidolia:
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/hot-topics/trump-cloud-man-captures-photos-of-cloud-resembling-president-donald-trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YEhNHNydIs
Why do people keep insulting orange orangutans by saying they look like Trump!?
600 United Methodists file complaint against Sessions for child abuse, discrimination (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/06/19/united-methodists-church-complaint-jeff-sessions-border-policy/713986002/)
Bah, is that all they see in the sky is an orange disaster area? I've seen KitchenAid countertop mixers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/7689532830/), numbers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/8360900928/), sharks (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/10551470476/), the Flying Spaghetti Monster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/717412428/), McDonald's Gobblins (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/4776632080/), a teed-up golf ball (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/28106521971/), mushrooms (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/28403513070/), and a pond doing a pretty darn good impersonation of a very large Guinness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/34940915636/).
Now Drumpf has decided to not separate families at borders and blames the democrats for not passing better laws.
Well, he has to blame someone other than himself, and democrats are convenient.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 20, 2018, 06:43:55 PM
Well, he has to blame someone other than himself, and democrats are convenient.
I think it must have been a couple of weeks now since I heard NPR play a sound bite of Trump blaming the Democrats for the current treatment of immigrant children.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 20, 2018, 06:10:52 PM
Now Drumpf has decided to not separate families at borders and blames the democrats for not passing better laws.
The First Lady didn't like it, and that persuaded the President. But the law says, you can't keep unaccompanied minors in jail with adults ... for the children. Most of the children are unaccompanied.
Quote from: Baruch on June 21, 2018, 03:51:55 AM
The First Lady didn't like it, and that persuaded the President. But the law says, you can't keep unaccompanied minors in jail with adults ... for the children. Most of the children are unaccompanied.
Why is it suddenly so important for Trump to follow the law in this case? Why not in other cases?
Quote from: SGOS on June 21, 2018, 04:22:43 AM
Why is it suddenly so important for Trump to follow the law in this case? Why not in other cases?
So, you are saying, Trump (or Obama) should routinely ignore the law? Which law did Obama ignore, or Trump ignore? In the scandal of Russiagate ... it seems that nobody under Obama, or Obama for that matter, obeyed the law.
Trump was following the same law as Obama, until just yesterday, then wrote an executive order. Since when is an executive order a law? Congress didn't write any bill to change anything in regard to immigration enforcement. Signing statements have also gotten out of control.
I have a big problem with all of these executive orders. Let Congress pass a law, and the President sign it.
Quote from: Baruch on June 21, 2018, 06:48:16 AM
So, you are saying, Trump (or Obama) should routinely ignore the law?
No, I didn't say anything. It was a question.
Quote from: SGOS on June 21, 2018, 07:01:13 AM
No, I didn't say anything. It was a question.
Why is it suddenly so important for Trump to follow the law in this case? - The President is the law, whether Obama or Trump.
Why not in other cases? - Why ask why any politician chooses one thing over another? Probably roll of the dice.
Now I ask you, which laws are you talking about? It is still illegal, to immigrate without authorization, into any country. Europe has decided to be generous in granting authorization, but that is ending now. The US grants unofficial authorization, by lack of enforcement. I see a problem with either strategy ... being too generous, legally, or in giving a nod and a wink to millions of illegals living in the US, because people like the cheap labor.
But as long as politicians and their supporters believe "the end justifies the means" ... then we are not a civil society, we are a crime wave.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 20, 2018, 06:43:55 PM
Well, he has to blame someone other than himself, and democrats are convenient.
Democrats: "We didn't think we had to tell the president not to be a soulless bastard. Our bad."
Oh, it gets worse. It's now alleged that they're drugging kidsâ€"sometimes with powerful psychotropicsâ€"to keep them "calm" (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-medication/u-s-centers-force-migrant-children-to-take-drugs-lawsuit-idUSKBN1JH076).
If true, this is a Hague-worthy crime against humanity, not a merely impeachable high crime or misdemeanor.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 21, 2018, 08:02:58 AM
Democrats: "We didn't think we had to tell the president not to be a soulless bastard. Our bad."
Like Bill and Hillary? Don't throw stones ... in politics, all houses are made of glass. You can take those 12,000 children into your home, if you want them.
Quote from: trdsf on June 21, 2018, 11:58:09 AM
Oh, it gets worse. It's now alleged that they're drugging kidsâ€"sometimes with powerful psychotropicsâ€"to keep them "calm" (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-medication/u-s-centers-force-migrant-children-to-take-drugs-lawsuit-idUSKBN1JH076).
If true, this is a Hague-worthy crime against humanity, not a merely impeachable high crime or misdemeanor.
This happens to many kids in school today. Maybe you need to stop over-prescription of AD and ADHD drugs in the schools too? Nobody here complained when Obama was doing this.
Quote from: Baruch on June 21, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
This happens to many kids in school today. Maybe you need to stop over-prescription of AD and ADHD drugs in the schools too? Nobody here complained when Obama was doing this.
That's because Obama didn't make racist statements against latinos and take children away from parents to be treated like animals. Obama didn't also fit it into his propaganda like Drumpf. Also this cam from Clinton whom didn't use such aggressive acts of bondage of illegals but every goddamn Trump supporter will derp derp derp
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 21, 2018, 02:39:02 PM
That's because Obama didn't make racist statements against latinos and take children away from parents to be treated like animals. Obama didn't also fit it into his propaganda like Drumpf. Also this cam from Clinton whom didn't use such aggressive acts of bondage of illegals but every goddamn Trump supporter will derp derp derp
You're forgetting that in Baruchistan, because one kid in a public school was identified as having a potentially medicatable condition, was evaluated for it, and was properly prescribed something to help manage it at some point during the Obama administration, therefore AIIIEEE HILLARY EVIL!!!1!
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 21, 2018, 02:39:02 PM
That's because Obama didn't make racist statements against latinos and take children away from parents to be treated like animals. Obama didn't also fit it into his propaganda like Drumpf. Also this cam from Clinton whom didn't use such aggressive acts of bondage of illegals but every goddamn Trump supporter will derp derp derp
That is false. Are you a Leftist propagandist? Jacobin (online mag) is for you. The pictures of children being treated as animals (and yes, I do feel for the children) originally came from the Obama administration. President Obama is an anti-White racist by his own words ... but much more articulate than President Trump. Yes, I agree that bad words don't make a bad situation better ... I don't like Trump either. If you want to rid the world of racism, rid it of race ... aka exterminate the human race. But for those children who are in fact orphans, please adopt some. Otherwise you can stop the virtue signaling and false concern. I know I am not virtuous ... at least I am self aware and honest.
Quote from: trdsf on June 21, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
You're forgetting that in Baruchistan, because one kid in a public school was identified as having a potentially medicatable condition, was evaluated for it, and was properly prescribed something to help manage it at some point during the Obama administration, therefore AIIIEEE HILLARY EVIL!!!1!
No ... actually I have never claimed that Hillary is responsible for the over prescription of mood altering drugs to children. But do your own research please. I am sure that years ago, this was all part of the Trump master race plan.
Quote from: Baruch on June 21, 2018, 07:29:43 PM
That is false. Are you a Leftist propagandist? Jacobin (online mag) is for you. The pictures of children being treated as animals (and yes, I do feel for the children) originally came from the Obama administration. President Obama is an anti-White racist by his own words ... but much more articulate than President Trump. Yes, I agree that bad words don't make a bad situation better ... I don't like Trump either. If you want to rid the world of racism, rid it of race ... aka exterminate the human race. But for those children who are in fact orphans, please adopt some. Otherwise you can stop the virtue signaling and false concern. I know I am not virtuous ... at least I am self aware and honest.
So Drumpf isn't a bigot and made th illegal immigragration policy much wors? What are you smoking?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on June 21, 2018, 08:32:56 PM
So Drumpf isn't a bigot and made th illegal immigragration policy much wors? What are you smoking?
So? And are you an alien with an expired visa or some other awkwardness? I think Ms Trump is trying to make things better for the children. Did Michelle Obama do that? How many orphans are you going to adopt?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 20, 2018, 02:34:43 PM
Why do people keep insulting orange orangutans by saying they look like Trump!?
Because the orangutans have more honest orange hair?
Quote from: Baruch on June 21, 2018, 07:29:43 PM
That is false. Are you a Leftist propagandist? Jacobin (online mag) is for you. The pictures of children being treated as animals (and yes, I do feel for the children) originally came from the Obama administration. President Obama is an anti-White racist by his own words ... but much more articulate than President Trump. Yes, I agree that bad words don't make a bad situation better ... I don't like Trump either. If you want to rid the world of racism, rid it of race ... aka exterminate the human race. But for those children who are in fact orphans, please adopt some. Otherwise you can stop the virtue signaling and false concern. I know I am not virtuous ... at least I am self aware and honest.
OK, there comes a time when someone bizarre nut-case like Baruch just HAS to be confronted.
The pictures of children on the news recently being treated as animals in chain link pens was NOT from the Obama administration. They were recent and reported on legitimate news sites.
President Obama was not an anti-White racist by his own words. Give me quotes, supported by dates place and time to support your claim and in context with fake ellipses.
"Yes, I agree that bad words don't make a bad situation better". Well, then try not using them. That would be a good start! Try using facts. I know that might be a hard change, but DO give it a try.
"If you want to rid the world of racism, rid it of race". Do you even understand that "race" is a false construction? "Race" is merely a matter of appearance of adaptation to local conditions over time. All humans are the same species. And our ancestors 100,000 years ago seem to have been as intelligent as we are today. We just have more accumulated information. Take a 100,000 year old human baby and raise it here today and you would know the difference. Send a baby today back then, and it wouldn't be superior.
You want to get rid of race? Stay in one spot. And die. Or interbreed so thoroughly that no genetic differences can arise. Do you have a preference?
Actually, I have come to doubt your self awareness and honesty. I used to think you were rather intelligent. I now understand that you are somewhat educated in a few limited areas, but not actually very thoughtful. There is a difference between knowing some esoteric stuff and actually being intelligent. You aren't.
Do y'all know what Trump derangement syndrome is?
The existing law, which has been in place for 22 years, was signed by President Clinton.
How many orphans are you hosting, Cavebear? You are like Comrade Dr Zivago ... I am sure you can host a few in your mansion.
Yes, this is all about racism, how all White males need to be exterminated. If the folks trying to immigrate were high paid technical folks, then there is no issue (H1B). But then Indians and Chinese are OK, but Latinos are not.
Personally ... I like Latinos. I wish they would immigrate millions to New England, and expel all the Puritans back to Europe. Make Boston into Guadalajara Del Norte.
Quote from: Baruch on June 22, 2018, 02:20:47 AM
Do y'all know what Trump derangement syndrome is?
The existing law, which has been in place for 22 years, was signed by President Clinton.
How many orphans are you hosting, Cavebear? You are like Comrade Dr Zivago ... I am sure you can host a few in your mansion.
Yes, this is all about racism, how all White males need to be exterminated. If the folks trying to immigrate were high paid technical folks, then there is no issue (H1B). But then Indians and Chinese are OK, but Latinos are not.
Personally ... I like Latinos. I wish they would immigrate millions to New England, and expel all the Puritans back to Europe. Make Boston into Guadalajara Del Norte.
So you are in favor of what Presidente Vincente Fox once said about "The Reqonquista"?
Personally, I just want people to come here from everywhere in generally equal numbers. A general immigration of Asians, Africans, Europeans, South Americans and Australians is JUST fine with me.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 22, 2018, 02:51:18 AM
So you are in favor of what Presidente Vincente Fox once said about "The Reqonquista"?
Personally, I just want people to come here from everywhere in generally equal numbers. A general immigration of Asians, Africans, Europeans, South Americans and Australians is JUST fine with me.
For New England, yes ... get rid of it, make it into New New Mexico. Just for you and people like you ... payback for past injustices by THE most self righteous people in the US.
Otherwise we actually don't differ. That and I don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome ... on him or Obama or ... I have gotten over all past elections already.
The D party is assisting The Reconqista all they can (with the help of R party employers). That is bipartisan.
I wondered when the lie about the alleged "Democrat law" would surface.
And yes, I said lie. Asserting that Trump's policy of family separation is Clinton's or Obama's fault is a lie (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/). Period, end of statement. Sorry that reality disagrees with you.
Well, no, I'm not sorry about that at all.
Quote from: trdsf on June 22, 2018, 10:50:40 AM
I wondered when the lie about the alleged "Democrat law" would surface.
And yes, I said lie. Asserting that Trump's policy of family separation is Clinton's or Obama's fault is a lie (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/). Period, end of statement. Sorry that reality disagrees with you.
Well, no, I'm not sorry about that at all.
There is no end to alternate facts, but it has reached epic proportions under Trump. If you can't deal with reality, you can simply choose the facts that fulfill your needs, and you can even change the facts when it suits your purpose. Recently, it seems that more and more people are willing to believe bullshit that would have been laughed at in the past. All politicians lie. We know this. We even accept it as part of governance, but the lies never seemed as incredible as the shit Trump invents, and his supporters swallow lies that don't even make sense. Some will accept them even when they know it isn't so. We are a dysfunctional society.
Quote from: SGOS on June 22, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
There is no end to alternate facts, but it has reached epic proportions under Trump. If you can't deal with reality, you can simply choose the facts that fulfill your needs, and you can even change the facts when it suits your purpose. Recently, it seems that more and more people are willing to believe bullshit that would have been laughed at in the past. All politicians lie. We know this. We even accept it as part of governance, but the lies never seemed as incredible as the shit Trump invents, and his supporters swallow lies that don't even make sense. Some will accept them even when they know it isn't so. We are a dysfunctional society.
D lies good, R lies bad. As an Independent, I hate both of you. Accepting incompetent or mentally deranged candidates at election time ... good reason to end elections entirely. The American people aren't fit to be self governing.
Nothing since Nov 1963 is true, an probably even earlier. You can't pledge fealty to Satan and remain a free people.
Quote from: SGOS on June 22, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
There is no end to alternate facts, but it has reached epic proportions under Trump. If you can't deal with reality, you can simply choose the facts that fulfill your needs, and you can even change the facts when it suits your purpose. Recently, it seems that more and more people are willing to believe bullshit that would have been laughed at in the past. All politicians lie. We know this. We even accept it as part of governance, but the lies never seemed as incredible as the shit Trump invents, and his supporters swallow lies that don't even make sense. Some will accept them even when they know it isn't so. We are a dysfunctional society.
Pretty much. One expects a politician to shade the truth in order to put their side in the best possible light, and hell, we
all do that.
Every other politician when caught out will either claim they were misquoted, or that they misspoke, or blame a staffer, or even once in a while acknowledge that they did, in fact, lie. All of these at least recognize that yes, there is a thing that is true and that what was said wasn't.
This current bunch doubles down on the lie
even in the face of documentary evidence that they were wrong. Not even necessarily lying, just factually wrong about something, and it started the day of the inauguration, and it was
a conscious and deliberate choice to lie.
So the initial statement that the inaugural had the biggest crowd ever? Well, okay, that could just have been an honest mistake. Certainly I wouldn't expect the Orange Disaster Area to be spending his time up on that platform counting heads.
But as soon as the documentary evidence came out that it wasn't? Repeating the claim was no longer an honest mistake, it was a deliberate lie.
And it's a pattern that's been repeated since day one. Politifact identifies fully 69% of his statements as Mostly False, False, or Pants On Fire -- compared to 17% Mostly True or True (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/). If you add the Half True to the Mostly True and True, for maximum benefit of the doubt, that's 32% -- the same percentage that's just plain False.
I mean, never mind being made to miss Dubya or Nixon in comparison. I'm starting to think rebelling against George III was a bad idea.
Quote from: Baruch on June 22, 2018, 12:59:05 AM
So? And are you an alien with an expired visa or some other awkwardness? I think Ms Trump is trying to make things better for the children. Did Michelle Obama do that? How many orphans are you going to adopt?
"I don't really care
Do U?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX8Lz03fBHw
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 22, 2018, 01:25:06 PM
"I don't really care
Do U"
If Mrs. Trump had made a conscious decision to wear that jacket and used it to address insincerity, hypertrophy of sentiment and apathy I would have a new respect for her. Unfortunately she apparently is oblivious to what she is even wearing, confirming my existing opinion that she is currently spending her life going through the motions.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 22, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
If Mrs. Trump had made a conscious decision to wear that jacket and used it to address insincerity, hypertrophy of sentiment and apathy I would have a new respect for her. Unfortunately she apparently is oblivious to what she is even wearing, confirming my existing opinion that she is currently spending her life going through the motions.
I can't really fault just going through the motions. Can you imagine being married to the Orange Disaster Area without tuning out entirely?
Could she possibly have not known what she was wearing? Like putting a sign on someone's back that says "kick me"? Maybe a staffer thought they were being funny?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on June 22, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
If Mrs. Trump had made a conscious decision to wear that jacket and used it to address insincerity, hypertrophy of sentiment and apathy I would have a new respect for her. Unfortunately she apparently is oblivious to what she is even wearing, confirming my existing opinion that she is currently spending her life going through the motions.
Like Michelle and Hillary? Or are only D First Ladies worthy of respect? Rhetorical question, I already know which of you escaped from the lunatic asylum ... in Cuba.
I don't see how Mrs. Trump did not know nor understand what she was wearing. She is a fashion maven and is fully aware of what clothing can do and what effect clothing can have. Plus, she wore the jacket onto the plane and immediately had social media explode about the jacket. On the return exit, she made sure that she wore that jacket again--she did not do that by accident. She is married to the orange buffoon, and for that I feel sorry for he. However, she does not HAVE to be married to him; could easily divorce him. She has enough of her money to not worry about not eating or anything else.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 22, 2018, 07:21:37 PM
I don't see how Mrs. Trump did not know nor understand what she was wearing. She is a fashion maven and is fully aware of what clothing can do and what effect clothing can have. Plus, she wore the jacket onto the plane and immediately had social media explode about the jacket. On the return exit, she made sure that she wore that jacket again--she did not do that by accident. She is married to the orange buffoon, and for that I feel sorry for he. However, she does not HAVE to be married to him; could easily divorce him. She has enough of her money to not worry about not eating or anything else.
So this is where you post eh, Donatella Versace?
If y'all are putting on your metrosexualism then OK ... because we are gay tolerant here, but fashion Fascists!
I just don't see her willingly wearing a $39 jacket. It doesn't ring true, somehow. Maybe the fake news has fooled me again.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 23, 2018, 01:31:02 PM
I just don't see her willingly wearing a $39 jacket. It doesn't ring true, somehow. Maybe the fake news has fooled me again.
"Willingly"? Do you think she was forced by The Donald? At first I thought she had simply threw the thing on without thinking. But then, she wore it on the return trip as well. I did not think much of her even before was the first lady--I think less of her now.
Quote from: Baruch on June 22, 2018, 07:32:13 PM
So this is where you post eh, Donatella Versace?
If y'all are putting on your metrosexualism then OK ... because we are gay tolerant here, but fashion Fascists!
As usual lately, you make no fucking sense. I guess ever since you felt you were a betrayed democrat, your brains have become scrambled and all that flows from your fingers is garbled shit.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 23, 2018, 01:53:05 PM
As usual lately, you make no fucking sense. I guess ever since you felt you were a betrayed democrat, your brains have become scrambled and all that flows from your fingers is garbled shit.
At least I am a former Democrat, not a current one. Nor a former nor current Republican.
Quote from: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
At least I am a former Democrat, not a current one. Nor a former nor current Republican.
Firmly ensconced in the inane party.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 23, 2018, 10:39:02 PM
Firmly ensconced in the inane party.
Me or you? I am non-ideological, I am realism based, not ideologically based. The way people behave, is the way it is. Deal with it.
Quote from: SGOS on June 24, 2018, 05:32:51 AM
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?? back at you. So if one agrees with the D party one is non-ideological? Or if one has any opinion at all, one is ideological?
Empiricism - they way things are, like it or not aka realism. Rationalism - the way things we want it to be, in some reasonable fashion.
The second isn't going to happen, by definition, and rationalists are going to go home disappointed almost all the time. For example ...
It took almost 5000 years to end chattel slavery ... except it actually didn't end, it changed form (teenage girl prostitution in the US, indentured servitude in SA). I happen to agree that from a rational moral POV, chattel slavery is wrong.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 05:56:53 AM
So if one agrees with the D party one is non-ideological?
Democrats are ideological. Liberals are ideological.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 05:56:53 AM
Or if one has any opinion at all, one is ideological?
You are a conservative. Your hatred for liberals removes you from the realm of realism and belies an emotionally driven philosophy devoid of reason, typical of the right wing. You are an ideologist. There is nothing you can do about this. You cannot rise above the rest of humanity. You can only pretend that you have.
Quote from: Baruch on June 23, 2018, 11:32:07 PM
Me or you? I am non-ideological, I am realism based, not ideologically based. The way people behave, is the way it is. Deal with it.
You call your posts 'dealing with it'??? Your recent crap smacks of a baby with a broken toy--whining and crying and carrying on.
Quote from: SGOS on June 24, 2018, 07:06:28 AM
Democrats are ideological. Liberals are ideological.
You are a conservative. Your hatred for liberals removes you from the realm of realism and belies an emotionally driven philosophy devoid of reason, typical of the right wing. You are an ideologist. There is nothing you can do about this. You cannot rise above the rest of humanity. You can only pretend that you have.
Interesting ;-) Conservatives and Republicans are ideological. So are Independents ... so nobody has any objectivity (realism).
I don't hate liberals, I hate ideology ... so I hate both sides. If I were Conservative, I would be a Republican.
So Liberals are non-emotional, are objective/realist? I don't think you meant to claim that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 24, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
You call your posts 'dealing with it'??? Your recent crap smacks of a baby with a broken toy--whining and crying and carrying on.
I share videos like pr126? I am not Rachel Maddow, not that crying is a bad thing. So how many orphans are you adopting?
Yes, I deal with it, by not making false claims about myself, the only person I truly know.
I will let others make false or true claims about public figures. We will never know what is fact vs fiction in regards to them.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 10:05:58 AM
So how many orphans are you adopting?
About the same as you.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 10:04:45 AM
I don't hate liberals, I hate ideology ... so I hate both sides.
No, you hate liberals. You hate Democrats. One can smell the venom in your posts. Had you ever expressed that venom at conservatives or Republicans, I might believe you hate both sides.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 10:04:45 AM
If I were Conservative, I would be a Republican.
Why? Not all conservatives are Republicans. Many are Libertarian.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 10:04:45 AM
So Liberals are non-emotional, are objective/realist? I don't think you meant to claim that.
No, I never said that or implied it. That's just you shouting to an empty room about a straw man you invented on your own.
Just for your information, ideologies are not by definition bad. They can be either good or bad. And having no ideology is of no particular importance or even noteworthy.
Quote from: SGOS on June 24, 2018, 12:16:52 PM
No, you hate liberals. You hate Democrats. One can smell the venom in your posts. Had you ever expressed that venom at conservatives or Republicans, I might believe you hate both sides.
Why? Not all conservatives are Republicans. Many are Libertarian.
**No, I never said that or implied it. That's just you shouting to an empty room about a straw man you invented on your own.
Just for your information, ideologies are not by definition bad. They can be either good or bad. And having no ideology is of no particular importance or even noteworthy.
Good clarification. Particularly **. I thought that is what you meant, but I didn't know for sure.
I have said plenty of times, rhetorically ... put the Ds in the Blue FEMA camp and Rs in the Red FEMA camp. There is plenty of hatred for Republicans here, you want me to join y'all's 15 minute collective hate (see 1984)? ... but I disagree with the hatred part in general (read into MikeCLs tone sometimes).
So you think, realistically, I would execute Ds and give the Rs a pass? I would execute their memes, both sides. Human ideas are mostly horrid. If I hated people X, I would certainly be in favor of killing them (see Nazis and Commies). That is because they cause genocide. It is self defense to kill them (but only if push comes to shove, not because they have thought crimes). But short of that, just kill their evil ideas.
To be clear ... I hate every R there has ever been, Lincoln included ... no ... just the policies. Lincoln was faced with an insurmountable difficulty, and did the best he could. But he greatly strengthened the central government and the eventual reintroduction of the central bank, and British influence. Those were side effects, I doubt he intended them. Rs then and now are nothing like him.
To be clear ... I hate every D there has ever been, LBJ included ... no ... just the policies. LBJ killed a million Vietnamese to help the MIC and his own investments. He implemented an anti-family welfare system that has destroyed millions of families. Jefferson Davis did less damage than LBJ. Just to mention another great Democrat. Both Jefferson Davis and LBJ wanted the President dead, and both got what they wanted.
Most people here have no notion of good or bad, other than their gut feelings. That is part of being Liberal these days. I think most Americans consider Libertarians to be bat-shit crazy Conservatives, worse than Republicans. Hardly an endorsement. Gilgamesh is perhaps a Libertarian. I am not. I am in favor of authoritarian government, but only the Centrist/Independent kind.
There aren't many politicians I have any respect for ... but Ellison and Gabbard are interesting people. Aside from being politicians of course. Both of those claim to be D. The Clintons claim to be D, but they never were. Never accept anyone's self-labeling. Same thing with Sanders, he isn't a D either, and Trump isn't an R. Y'all being played for chumps. I suspect both Sanders and Trump are Independents. Trump being Libertarian, and Sanders being Collectivist.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 24, 2018, 10:58:22 AM
About the same as you.
Yes, but are you virtuous? You can show an angry chip on your shoulder at times.
So far, I don't see you as being a whiney hypocrite unlike some people (not posting here).
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 02:41:39 PM
I have said plenty of times, rhetorically ... put the Ds in the Blue FEMA camp and Rs in the Red FEMA camp.
Yes, you have, but I don't believe it. You hate liberals but defend conservatives. If you thought they were both worthy of your disrespect, you wouldn't change the subject, reframe the debate, or deflect criticism of conservatives. You simply don't allow for any blame of conservatives, even when they truly warrant criticism. Your, "Yeah, but Hillary," defense exemplifies this. You buy into all the conservative's liberal stereotyping and parrot their anti-liberal talking points. Even worse, liberals aren't just social justice warriors, they become communists, or French revolutionaries. These bizarre over simplifications and hyperbole address your pro conservative bias, and you should accept it if you want to be taken seriously.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 02:44:50 PM
Yes, but are you virtuous? You can show an angry chip on your shoulder at times.
Am I virtuous? By what standard? Actually, I don't strive for 'virtue', for that is like beauty--in the eye of the beholder. I very much have an angry chip on my shoulder at times. With Trump as president it is impossible not to. I am like you, I am deeply disillusioned by what my country has become and that makes me angry. But lately your lashing about is just plain unintelligible. You seem so infantile in your labeling and pronouncements. I think you are more disillusioned and angry than I.
Hell, the Republican party's not even free of hyper-partisanship in it's own ranks. The extremists hate the less extreme for not being extreme enough. Much like the Middle East, I guess.
Quote from: SGOS on June 24, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
Yes, you have, but I don't believe it. You hate liberals but defend conservatives. If you thought they were both worthy of your disrespect, you wouldn't change the subject, reframe the debate, or deflect criticism of conservatives. You simply don't allow for any blame of conservatives, even when they truly warrant criticism. Your, "Yeah, but Hillary," defense exemplifies this. You buy into all the conservative's liberal stereotyping and parrot their anti-liberal talking points. Even worse, liberals aren't just social justice warriors, they become communists, or French revolutionaries. These bizarre over simplifications and hyperbole address your pro conservative bias, and you should accept it if you want to be taken seriously.
I defend traditions, but not because they are traditional. Conservative isn't traditional ... they are simply reactionary progressives, rather than revolutionary progressives. Nobody almost, in the US, is actually traditional (count the Amish etc). The conservatives want to conquer the planet for the wealthy and corporations ... I don't see that as traditional at all. The liberals want to conquer the planet for the UN and socialism ... I don't see that as liberal at all.
Almost all here are of the revolutionary progressive faction. Gilgamesh and pr126 are reactionary progressives (they aren't anything like Amish). This is a great opportunity for clarification. It is a difference in how consciousness is framed (and I frame differently than when I was younger).
What separates progressive from traditional? But don't call it regressive, it's pejorative. Progressives look to the future (reactionaries fear it, revolutionaries embrace it). Optimists vs pessimists, but future oriented. Tradition means, look to the past. And I get more clarity the farther I look back. How not only is the American Revolution questionable, but so is the Roman Republic and the Athenian Democracy. This is why I tolerate Islam ... because it is traditional. I understand exactly what they are about (though I don't think they actually want to live per 1400 years ago). Same thing with older forms of Christianity (see Catholicism) ... and Hinduism and Buddhism in their historical forms, not as New Age. Classic paganism is interesting but neo-paganism is questionable, because it is projecting the present into the past. I have spent the last two months learning what made an ancient Egyptian what he was. Way before Western civilization was even an idea. It gives me perspective, just as trying to get into the minds of Eastern culture does.
Y'all don't like the rhetoric? Well it isn't my isolated view, it is contextual against all the rhetoric spewed by folks here (and anywhere). Really, now many here will hate a politician's wife because of her clothing? That isn't rhetorical?
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 24, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
Am I virtuous? By what standard? Actually, I don't strive for 'virtue', for that is like beauty--in the eye of the beholder. I very much have an angry chip on my shoulder at times. With Trump as president it is impossible not to. I am like you, I am deeply disillusioned by what my country has become and that makes me angry. But lately your lashing about is just plain unintelligible. You seem so infantile in your labeling and pronouncements. I think you are more disillusioned and angry than I.
Yes, there is no truth. Just feelings. Reminds me of a song ...
I understand your anger, but of course am upset by it, but not at what you are angry about. Anger is bad for the holder of it.
Yes, we are both of similar age, similar nationality ... and so are disillusioned. Isn't it liberating to be free of idealism? (rhetorical question).
I see interesting connections, as memes come up. Just a humble meme farmer from Kekistan.
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2018, 06:07:33 PM
Yes, there is no truth. Just feelings. Reminds me of a song ...
I understand your anger, but of course am upset by it, but not at what you are angry about. Anger is bad for the holder of it.
Yes, we are both of similar age, similar nationality ... and so are disillusioned. Isn't it liberating to be free of idealism? (rhetorical question).
I see interesting connections, as memes come up. Just a humble meme farmer from Kekistan.
Anger is like seeking revenge. It will consume you if you let it or take it too far. And all that does is hurt you and nobody else. So, I do come to anger from time to time (and much more now than in the past)--but I do try to let that go after a bit. I don't think I've ever been 'idealistic' so I can't really be free of something I've not been bound up with. Actually, that was considered a problem by myself early in life. I wanted to fit 'in' and idealism would have made that easier. But as much as I wanted to embrace one idealism or another, I simply could not buy all that waneeded to buy into any particular idealism. I just picked this idea and that idea and ran with that. That did not lead to any particular group, in fact it seemed to keep me out of most. As it turns out idealism is an individual thing, so I guess I am idealistic in my own way. Sort of like the meaning of my life is unique to me. I too, see interesting (and odd to most other people) connections, but I try not to be consumed by them or over blow them or beat them to death.
All good points. Heartfelt. Real.
Well pessimists are never disappointed ;-) Outside of rhetoric, I am optimistic, because young people make me be optimistic. Then again, I wouldn't be young again, for any reason. No reason to give up hard earned experience.
Probably what draws us together, is we both follow our own drummer.
Being too self involved, is solipsist. I am glad there are other people, would have no balance without them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 22, 2018, 05:25:41 PM
Could she possibly have not known what she was wearing? Like putting a sign on someone's back that says "kick me"? Maybe a staffer thought they were being funny?
The message on the jacket was a very poor choice. But she is a model and married to The Donald and used to stupid messages, so it probably didn't register with her. But mostly, she doesn't matter.
It's just that she (as far as I know) has never worn anything else like that, or even anything with words on it. So why would she have chosen that particular trip to have worn the silly thing? I already thought we were in the Bizarro universe, but now I'm sure.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 25, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
It's just that she (as far as I know) has never worn anything else like that, or even anything with words on it. So why would she have chosen that particular trip to have worn the silly thing? I already thought we were in the Bizarro universe, but now I'm sure.
Well, I've worn some pretty stupid messages on shirts than seemed clever at the time, but my shirts held not international impact. But for someone on the international stage, at an event designed to have meaning, who let her out dressed in that PARTICULAR jacket? Wasn't there anyone who had a jacket for her saying "I Love You All"?
I have wondered about women's clothing with trendy French on it ... does the woman know what it says?
How many Americans will ever even hear about this?
QuoteWASHINGTON â€" The U.S. has the authority to keep prisoners locked up at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp for a century without charging them with a crime, as long as the U.S. keeps fighting terrorist groups like the Taliban, al Qaeda or its affiliates, the Trump administration argued in federal court on Wednesday...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc5jr_l_i10
If this can be done to anyone, it can be done to YOU!
Sorry, but after the D party fucked the universe, just to be Republican-lite ... I no longer care about due process.
The best "bleeding heart" is right after you put your bayonet thru it ;-)
Oh yeah. As if I didn't already think the Orange Disaster Area was a fucking asshole. That Russian hacking that Mueller issued twelve indictments over? It's Obama's fault, not Russia's (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44833479).
Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a popsicle stick. What a piece of fucking shit. And now he's off to Finland to plaster his lips all over Putin's ass.
I am genuinely thankful that there is no reason to think I will ever have to look on him in person, because I fucking well *would* spit on him and call him "Traitor" to his face rather than shake his hand.
Quote from: trdsf on July 14, 2018, 09:58:48 PM
Oh yeah. As if I didn't already think the Orange Disaster Area was a fucking asshole. That Russian hacking that Mueller issued twelve indictments over? It's Obama's fault, not Russia's (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44833479).
Jesus H. motherfucking Christ on a popsicle stick. What a piece of fucking shit. And now he's off to Finland to plaster his lips all over Putin's ass.
I am genuinely thankful that there is no reason to think I will ever have to look on him in person, because I fucking well *would* spit on him and call him "Traitor" to his face rather than shake his hand.
Obama is a Trump puppet, Hillary is a Trump puppet, George Shrub another Trump puppet ... is there no super power he doesn't have?
Who killed Seth Rich? Why do they want to kill Julian Assange?
This country is going to go down hill fast:
QuoteThis week, the Trump Department of Justice actually argued in court that gay people aren’t protected by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and therefore employers should be able to fire someone based solely on their sexual orientation. The administration is openly advocating for bigotry against a large population of its own citizens with this argument, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECffphRarQI
I'm afraid once the SCOTUS is sufficiently stacked with right-wing politicos, the GOP will never lose another SCOTUS case. Where will America be in a decade?
I think it is OK to fire people for being members of a banned political party. I would ban both D and R parties ... recalcitrants should then lose their jobs. Free trip to Venezuela for Ds and to Somalia for Rs.
The past quarter century or so has been a slow slide into intolerance in the US. Bush senior once said he didn't think atheists should be considered citizens, and looking back he was a "tolerant Republican". Bush junior said he "he saw a soul" in Putin. They have gotten less sensible and less tolerant ever since, to the point where they will deliberately separate children from their parents now as a tactical maneuver, accept Russian intrusions into our elections, and think trade wars are good for US farmers and manufacturers.
Farmers can't leave the US but manufacturers are all planning to move production overseas. Gee that sure makes things better here, right?
Trump wants to be "one of the big guys". Unfortunately, the "guys" are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran; the least democratic and free nations on the Earth.
Trump is a loser on the wordlwide stage he is playing on. I would love to play him at chess. He would just throw his pieces out on the board one at a time, having no concept of a coordinated attack.
It wouldn't be such a disaster if he understood his limitations. There have been Presidents who were not up to the job but paid attention to experienced advisors. But Trump will not even do that.
Trump does deserve to be impeached, but that won't happen unless the Democrats have a sweeping election in November to the point where both the House and the Senate are a large majority.
I will hope for that, but I don't expect that in the Senate. So basically, the House will have to reassert it's powers and stop the Orange Idiot.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 03:12:28 AM
The past quarter century or so has been a slow slide into intolerance in the US. Bush senior once said he didn't think atheists should be considered citizens, and looking back he was a "tolerant Republican". Bush junior said he "he saw a soul" in Putin. They have gotten less sensible and less tolerant ever since, to the point where they will deliberately separate children from their parents now as a tactical maneuver, accept Russian intrusions into our elections, and think trade wars are good for US farmers and manufacturers.
Farmers can't leave the US but manufacturers are all planning to move production overseas. Gee that sure makes things better here, right?
Trump wants to be "one of the big guys". Unfortunately, the "guys" are Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran; the least democratic and free nations on the Earth.
Trump is a loser on the wordlwide stage he is playing on. I would love to play him at chess. He would just throw his pieces out on the board one at a time, having no concept of a coordinated attack.
It wouldn't be such a disaster if he understood his limitations. There have been Presidents who were not up to the job but paid attention to experienced advisors. But Trump will not even do that.
Trump does deserve to be impeached, but that won't happen unless the Democrats have a sweeping election in November to the point where both the House and the Senate are a large majority.
I will hope for that, but I don't expect that in the Senate. So basically, the House will have to reassert it's powers and stop the Orange Idiot.
I guess you never heard about the Whites Only lunch counters? Yes, only in recent times have Americans been violent monkeys. But you are correct, the House is the center of any real democracy. That was by design. But the founders distrusted democracy ... hence the emphasis on republic ... which was radical in its own time ... what no king? Well Washington was a bit of a king for 8 years, after the coup of 1787.
Anyone not sickened by Trump's performance in Helsinki is no patriot!
It seems that Vlad the Impaler has impaled The Donald...and by extension, America.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 17, 2018, 08:27:14 PM
Anyone not sickened by Trump's performance in Helsinki is no patriot!
It seems that Vlad the Impaler has impaled The Donald...and by extension, America.
Is that you, Senator McCarthy? I thought you were long dead ;-(
You have lost all perspective in your expression ... but I wouldn't censor you, that is too Franco-German ... see next post
Vlad was from what is now Romania. And the present Queen of GB is a direct descendant of said Vlad. Which is simply Slavic for James.
Proper description of Anglo-American free speech ... in proper English ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Qep46tQoQ
The values of censorship is Russian and Catholic ... the values of blocking hate speech is French and German.
Of course those opposed to free speech, are in the same Western family as England and America ... if you don't mind sharing the cattle car with Robespierre and Hitler.
In battle for nonverbal dominance at U.S.-Russia summit, Putin was the clear winner, experts say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/07/17/in-battle-for-nonverbal-dominance-at-u-s-russia-summit-putin-was-the-clear-winner-experts-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f89a6f006f)
Quote
Carrie Keating was almost slack-jawed with amazement by the end of President Trump’s news conference with Russian leader Vladimir Putin Monday. Keating has studied the nonverbal gestures of politicians for three decades, but she found the performance between the two men on the stage nothing short of incredible.
“Whoever made the arrangements, they so clearly favored Putin. You saw him do almost every dominant behavior you could stage in social science lab study,†said Keating, a psychology professor who studies charisma and leadership at Colgate University.
Keating quickly ticked off more than a dozen nonverbal assertions of dominance by Putin â€" including Putin’s agile hop onto the podium (vs. Trump’s lumbering walk), Putin’s animated gestures and the way he often disregarded the audience when speaking.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 15, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
This country is going to go down hill fast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECffphRarQI
I'm afraid once the SCOTUS is sufficiently stacked with right-wing politicos, the GOP will never lose another SCOTUS case. Where will America be in a decade?
Shit and the libertarians and republicans are so into their shit they lack insight.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 18, 2018, 04:30:48 PM
In battle for nonverbal dominance at U.S.-Russia summit, Putin was the clear winner, experts say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/07/17/in-battle-for-nonverbal-dominance-at-u-s-russia-summit-putin-was-the-clear-winner-experts-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f89a6f006f)
I love it! Used to be that Western pundits engaged in the black arts of Kremlinology. Now they do Trumpology ... while being paid by Soros.
They keep saying that since we are not at war with Russia it isn't treasonous for Trump to act like Putin is his bro while Russia has tampered with the election and is still tampering with our politics. It's like their stupid or something.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 18, 2018, 09:10:25 PM
They keep saying that since we are not at war with Russia it isn't treasonous for Trump to act like Putin is his bro while Russia has tampered with the election and is still tampering with our politics. It's like their stupid or something.
You are wrong. The US is at war with Russia. At war with everyone. It is the only way we can keep our economy energized since 1940.
So, was Obama treasonous because he met with Putin? Aren't all Americans treasonous per King George III?
All nations tamper, we tamper with our own elections. Didn't you know that the Democrats stole the 1960 election, by stuffing ballots of dead people in Chicago? Don't be naive.
I think Russia's attack on our election was an act of war. I'd really hate to get in a shooting war with them, but we need to do something that will get their attention so they won't keep doing that sort of thing.
I am in ways glad this won't end in bloodshed most likely, and Russia will walk all over us... but I hope I have time to jump ship before they sink it.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
I am in ways glad this won't end in bloodshed most likely, and Russia will walk all over us...
For now. But I'd wager that between Trump and Crimea (and oopsie, shooting down a civilian plane), they've brought down serious long-term repercussions that counteract any short-term gains.
In a few years, Trump will be out of office and Putin's Russia still has just as much enemies but not as much friends, especially in high places.
The probable end results of the Second Cold War look much the same as the first.
Maybe China/India will take over, and put us squabbling has-beens in the corner.
Life and the death of empires was so much easier before M.A.D. ...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Maybe China/India will take over, and put us squabbling has-beens in the corner.
Be careful what you wish for...
I dunno about India, but China has actually been making great improvements, especially in alternative energy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China) and beefing up R&D (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-r-d/china-spends-279-bln-on-rd-in-2017-science-minister-idUSKCN1GB018), particularly AI (https://www.wired.co.uk/article/why-china-will-win-the-global-battle-for-ai-dominance).
Barring some sort of military confrontation or similar disaster, they are on track to becoming an increasingly powerful player in global politics.
The funny thing is that China's strategy is almost the exact opposite as Russia. Instead of engaging in military adventurism and meddling with rivals (which angers them and brings down sanctions), China is going for a much more peaceable strategy of economic growth and technological gain, which has been working wonders for them so far.
Basically, China is going for the tech/science victory while Russia is going for a more rush-heavy domination victory. It doesn't take a genius to realize which strat is going to work better long-term.
And the crazy thing is that all this is going down in an autocracy, which seemingly is absolutely horrendous to a country's wellbeing.
My theory for the longest time was that individual freedom is absolutely vital for the success of a country - that all other things being equal, countries with western-style democracy outperform countries with autocratic or dictatorial forms of government. While I'm not giving up on that idea, these developments are certainly casting doubts on it.
Hell, Chinese state media (and common Chinese people) used Trump as an example of how democracy sucks (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/17/democracy-is-a-joke-says-china-just-look-at-donald-trump) and I've gotta say, they're not wrong.
Wanna see some pictures of Trump? Just google the word "idiot." :-p
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2018, 02:58:34 PM
I am in ways glad this won't end in bloodshed most likely, and Russia will walk all over us... but I hope I have time to jump ship before they sink it.
Venezuela or S Africa awaits.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 19, 2018, 01:54:03 PM
I think Russia's attack on our election was an act of war. I'd really hate to get in a shooting war with them, but we need to do something that will get their attention so they won't keep doing that sort of thing.
Everyone is at war. Why do you think otherwise? And yes, get the Russian's attention ... tell Vladimir to put on a shirt, when he rides horses in Siberia, looking all sexy like King Julian ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 19, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
For now. But I'd wager that between Trump and Crimea (and oopsie, shooting down a civilian plane), they've brought down serious long-term repercussions that counteract any short-term gains.
In a few years, Trump will be out of office and Putin's Russia still has just as much enemies but not as much friends, especially in high places.
The probable end results of the Second Cold War look much the same as the first.
Zombie Clinton she's our corpse, if she can't rot, nobody can.
Crimea is part of Russia, has been for 200 years. We brought down the Dutch airliner, but failed in the false flag attempt. That pacifist Obama is so ... wimpy.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Maybe China/India will take over, and put us squabbling has-beens in the corner.
Life and the death of empires was so much easier before M.A.D. ...
So yes the Barbarians will win. Too masculine for the effeminate book readers. So are you Visigoth or Ostrogoth?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 19, 2018, 05:41:29 PM
Wanna see some pictures of Trump? Just google the word "idiot." :-p
Said by a paper-mache Marx head.
PS ... China was predicted to win in the 21st century, in The Rise And Fall Of The Great Powers (by Kennedy, not that idiot Fukuyama (Mr End of History).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Great_Powers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_History_and_the_Last_Man ... the basis of all Western foreign policy since 1992.
Oh, no, Russia's not trying to hack our elections (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44898505)...
Two priorities: the first one is getting the Orange Disaster Area and Ayatollah Pence out of our White House.
And the second is PHYSICAL BALLOTS. Electronic voting is not secure. There's no Constitutional requirement that votes be counted Election night, and I don't give a flying fuck if the media want to be able to report immediately. Paper ballots aren't 100% secure -- nothing is -- but you can't reach out from a basement in Moscow and flip a switch and fuck over our country.
Quote from: trdsf on July 20, 2018, 07:05:30 AM
Oh, no, Russia's not trying to hack our elections (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44898505)...
Two priorities: the first one is getting the Orange Disaster Area and Ayatollah Pence out of our White House.
And the second is PHYSICAL BALLOTS. Electronic voting is not secure. There's no Constitutional requirement that votes be counted Election night, and I don't give a flying fuck if the media want to be able to report immediately. Paper ballots aren't 100% secure -- nothing is -- but you can't reach out from a basement in Moscow and flip a switch and fuck over our country.
Sorry, victims of schizophrenia and psychosis ... won't do well at the ballot box. The D party has to be purged of its infesting Left parasites, or close up shop. Bernie was just chum to attract the Left-sharks for killing. I agree, I am grateful my location uses paper ballots (which are then counted electronically). So why is it OK for the CIA or FBI, to hack our elections? Why is it OK for Britain (MI5 and MI6) to hack our elections?
Western Intel will defend us from the Left-shark-nado ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAuIXCDd2Fw
Quote from: trdsf on July 20, 2018, 07:05:30 AM
Oh, no, Russia's not trying to hack our elections (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44898505)...
Two priorities: the first one is getting the Orange Disaster Area and Ayatollah Pence out of our White House.
And the second is PHYSICAL BALLOTS. Electronic voting is not secure. There's no Constitutional requirement that votes be counted Election night, and I don't give a flying fuck if the media want to be able to report immediately. Paper ballots aren't 100% secure -- nothing is -- but you can't reach out from a basement in Moscow and flip a switch and fuck over our country.
The GOP doesn't want secure elections, they want to keep open the option of being able to steal elections when they're close enough, which is why they love close elections, because they're much easier to hack. And the media always seems to turn them into a horse race.
Just came across this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZv8MsDsdsQ
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 20, 2018, 01:19:29 PM
The GOP doesn't want secure elections, they want to keep open the option of being able to steal elections when they're close enough, which is why they love close elections, because they're much easier to hack. And the media always seems to turn them into a horse race.
Yeah, JFK had old Mayor Daley do it the hard way ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 18, 2018, 04:30:48 PM
In battle for nonverbal dominance at U.S.-Russia summit, Putin was the clear winner, experts say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/07/17/in-battle-for-nonverbal-dominance-at-u-s-russia-summit-putin-was-the-clear-winner-experts-say/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.96f89a6f006f)
I also noted that Putin came to the podium at Helsinki with 1/4" thick stack of papers (of facts I assume) and Trump walked up with none. The deliberate ignorance that Trumps sees as his best talent is fine when arguing with city leaders but NOTHING when experienced international leaders handle him as a clown.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
I also noted that Putin came to the podium at Helsinki with 1/4" thick stack of papers (of facts I assume) and Trump walked up with none. The deliberate ignorance that Trumps sees as his best talent is fine when arguing with city leaders but NOTHING when experienced international leaders handle him as a clown.
Yes, proof that Putin can read ... but can't afford a teleprompter as nice as Obama. Perhaps Trump has eyesight problems?
Will impeachment be the next Democratic litmus test? (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/will_impeachment_be_the_next_democratic_litmus_test.html)
QuoteNothing gets the liberal crazies more energized than the prospect of impeaching Trump. This worries the national Democratic leadership because its members know that nothing would be more detrimental to their chances of retaking Congress than not only appearing to be off their nuts by calling for the impeachment of a president with no evidence that he's done anything wrong, but also energizing the Republican base, motivating Republicans to come out and vote.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 01:56:10 AM
Yes, proof that Putin can read ... but can't afford a teleprompter as nice as Obama. Perhaps Trump has eyesight problems?
1. Proof that Putin keeps facts at hand and Trump does not.
2. The teleprompter was not used by either, and is irrelevant to both anyway.
3. Obama wasn't involved. Had he been, he probably would have refuted anything Putin said.
4. Can't say much about Trump's eyesight. But he doesn't show any foresight or aftersight. He just lives in the moment and is shocked when people mention things he has said in the past that contradicts what he is said before. Well, when you routinely lie, you should at least be smart enough to remember your lies for 6 hours. Trump can't. He lies, changes the lie 6 hours later, then reverts to the original lie in another 6 hours.
5. Trump doesn't have eyesight problems (that I know of) but he sure has memory problems.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 21, 2018, 04:04:20 AM
1. Proof that Putin keeps facts at hand and Trump does not.
2. The teleprompter was not used by either, and is irrelevant to both anyway.
3. Obama wasn't involved. Had he been, he probably would have refuted anything Putin said.
4. Can't say much about Trump's eyesight. But he doesn't show any foresight or aftersight. He just lives in the moment and is shocked when people mention things he has said in the past that contradicts what he is said before. Well, when you routinely lie, you should at least be smart enough to remember your lies for 6 hours. Trump can't. He lies, changes the lie 6 hours later, then reverts to the original lie in another 6 hours.
5. Trump doesn't have eyesight problems (that I know of) but he sure has memory problems.
I voted for Obama for President, twice, but not because he was my messiah. Trump continues what Obama started .. the death of everyone in Ukraine, Libya, Syria and Yemen. That is how Americans refute ... we murder you. You may be right about memory problems, you and I have them too.
Quote from: pr126 on July 21, 2018, 03:56:19 AM
Will impeachment be the next Democratic litmus test? (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/07/will_impeachment_be_the_next_democratic_litmus_test.html)
Nothing ticks off RINOs than Democrat sex maniacs. Obama wasn't that. What ticks off DINOs more than any Republican who is not a Clinton.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2018, 04:07:16 AM
I voted for Obama for President, twice, but not because he was my messiah. Trump continues what Obama started .. the death of everyone in Ukraine, Libya, Syria and Yemen. That is how Americans refute ... we murder you. You may be right about memory problems, you and I have them too.
"You voted for Obama twice"... There is hope for you yet. Well, he wasn't my "messiah" either, just the best candidate at the time. And likely the President I most agree with in my lifetime.
I was supporting Hillary Clinton in early 2008 and after thinking about what Obama was saying (as opposed to the speeches he was giving) I changed my mind. I agreed with him more often the more I heard from him. And then I agreed with with Clinton in 2016 as the best continuation.
The world would have made more sense and been safer if Clinton had been elected in 2016, and Russia had a lot to do with that not happening. Trump has made the world a more insane place, lost our allies, and encouraged dictators around the world to push.
Trump WILL go down in US history as the "Worst President Ever".
Quote from: Shiranu on July 21, 2018, 08:17:13 AM
2015 called, they said you need to stop living in it.
I may agree with you, but please don't quote someone and not include their name. Its too hard to go find it. Just leave it in the quote, OK? No offense, just a request.
(https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2018-07/207775_5_.jpg)
Impeachment is a political show trial. That is what the impeachment against President Andrew Johnson (Southern VP under Lincoln in 1865) and President Bill Clinton (again, against a Southern boy) was all about. That is what the threatened impeachment against Nixon was all about. Presidents before and after Nixon did far worse! So yes, Trump could be impeached, and still get acquitted (as did Johnson and Clinton). But it would be all about getting revenge for the D party losing (when they had a sure win) in 2016. And about revenge for the D party losing (when they had a sure win) in 2000. D's just can win for losing, literally. Al and Hillary were lame candidates. Was their nomination ... deliberate?
QuoteWas their nomination ... deliberate?
I believe it was. Nobody expected Trump to win, except Trump.
Same as with Mitt Romney.
I also believe that Obama was selected, not elected.
Think of a 2 horse race.
Put up your favorite horse and a lame horse, that you know it can't win.
This time the favorite didn't win. Despite the race was rigged.
Quote from: pr126 on July 22, 2018, 11:25:50 AM
I believe it was. Nobody expected Trump to win, except Trump.
Same as with Mitt Romney.
I also believe that Obama was selected, not elected.
Think of a 2 horse race.
Put up your favorite horse and a lame horse, that you know it can't win.
This time the favorite didn't win. Despite the race was rigged.
Smart people only play with dice, that are weighted in their favor. Fair fight is for children.
"Madam President" is threatening to run again in 2020.
Which is funny because she can hardly walk. She has serious health issues.
If she appears in a wheelchair, the media will swoon, look, just like FDR.
Me after reading that tirade...
(https://i.gifer.com/YX8.gif)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 22, 2018, 01:07:41 PM
Me after reading that tirade...
(https://i.gifer.com/YX8.gif)
If you like political show trials, how about show trials for student demonstrators? Not so funny then.
Only two men have become president in modern time without winning the popular vote - both Republicans: 43 was put in office by SCOTUS, and 45 by the electoral college.
And yet you claim it's Democrats that steal elections?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2018, 05:23:07 PM
Only two men have become president in modern time without winning the popular vote - both Republicans: 43 was put in office by SCOTUS, and 45 by the electoral college.
And yet you claim it's Democrats that steal elections?
Don't even get me started on gerrymandering and voter i.d. laws.
Not to say Democrats don't love themselves some good ol' gerrymandering themselves, but Republicans have taken it to the next level.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2018, 05:23:07 PM
Only two men have become president in modern time without winning the popular vote - both Republicans: 43 was put in office by SCOTUS, and 45 by the electoral college.
And yet you claim it's Democrats that steal elections?
Yes, 1963 was the Stone Age ... or at least right after that, all Left thinking Americans got some drugs and got stoned;-(
And about Hillary and her bastardizing of the 2016 primaries and D-convention ...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 22, 2018, 05:41:51 PM
Don't even get me started on gerrymandering and voter i.d. laws.
Not to say Democrats don't love themselves some good ol' gerrymandering themselves, but Republicans have taken it to the next level.
Crying over spilt milk and sour grapes ... yuck combination.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2018, 05:23:07 PM
Only two men have become president in modern time without winning the popular vote - both Republicans: 43 was put in office by SCOTUS, and 45 by the electoral college.
And yet you claim it's Democrats that steal elections?
That's one of the core rules of the Big Lie tactic: loudly accuse your opponents of that which your own side is guilty. Having actual evidence of the accusation is of no relevance; having contradictory evidence is to be ignored loudly (for example, "fake news").
That's why he called Peter Strzok's testimony "disgusting." Pot, kettle and black - sounds like a law firm.
Trump doesn't wake with a morning wood, but with a woodn't.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
That's why he called Peter Strzok's testimony "disgusting." Pot, kettle and black - sounds like a law firm.
Don't know what was wrong with him, maybe MK-Ultra conditioning? But Strzok gesticulated his face like out of The Exorcist.
Facial gesticulation? First time I've come across that phrase. You're a real wordsmith!
State Department deletes a statement condemning Russia over MH17 downing right after Trump's Putin summit (https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-deletes-statement-criticizing-russia-over-mh17-attack-trump-putin-2018-7)
It's stuff like this that makes people wonder about the Prez being in Putin's pocket.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2018, 01:31:04 PM
Facial gesticulation? First time I've come across that phrase. You're a real wordsmith!
Thanks. But William F Buckley I ain't ;-) His bizarre gesticulation was all over the Internet the day he ... fibbed.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 23, 2018, 06:37:06 PM
State Department deletes a statement condemning Russia over MH17 downing right after Trump's Putin summit (https://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-deletes-statement-criticizing-russia-over-mh17-attack-trump-putin-2018-7)
It's stuff like this that makes people wonder about the Prez being in Putin's pocket.
It was never proven who shot it down. But we can assume that Hades lies directly under the Kremlin ... atheists are experts at that kind of thing ;-)
Best bets it was the Kiev government false flag, trying to make the Donbas folks look guilty, or the Russians. The US is allied to actual Nazis in Kiev. I am sure Democrats are very proud of Joe Biden's terrorism support ... as they are supportive of McCain's support of ISIS in Syria.
Quote from: pr126 on July 22, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
"Madam President" is threatening to run again in 2020.
Which is funny because she can hardly walk. She has serious health issues.
If she appears in a wheelchair, the media will swoon, look, just like FDR.
Well, Hillary Clinton isn't being pushed around in a wheelchair, though you may have seen some photoshopped images on Fox or bad blogs. But she won't run again.
Biden might, but there are probably more interesting and younger candidates more suited to the current electorate. I won't suggest any ones in particular.
QuotePresident Trump drew comparisons to George Orwell’s 1984 in an attack on the media during a speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention Tuesday.
In his address to the convention in Kansas City, Trump defended his decision to slap tariffs on the U.S.’s trading partners. As Trump told the crowd that “it’s all working out,†he warned those in the audience against believing what they see in the news.
“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,†Trump said.
For some, the quote immediately recalled a line from Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984: “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.â€
'What You're Seeing... Is Not What's Happening.' People Are Comparing This Trump Quote to George Orwell (http://time.com/5347737/trump-quote-george-orwell-vfw-speech/)
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
'What You're Seeing... Is Not What's Happening.' People Are Comparing This Trump Quote to George Orwell (http://time.com/5347737/trump-quote-george-orwell-vfw-speech/)
Of course. And for good reason. Trump isn't Big Brother. But he might be the grandfather of Big Brother if we aren't careful.
Ben Franklin once said that "we have given you a republic, if you can keep it". That's the question now. Rome wasn't built in a day, and it didn't fall in a day either.
Will a democracy republic last? Ask the Greeks, Romans, French...
The Orange Disaster Area on tape discussing paying off a model over an affair with his then-lawyer (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44949500). Y'know, after repeatedly denying knowing anything about it although he's already admitted reimbursing his lawyer for the payout. No wonder he wants people to not believe their eyes and ears.
I'm having me a warm and fuzzy Watergate flashback, m'self. Ah, tapes.
For now they're playing tapes, I hope soon they'll be playing Taps.
Quote from: trdsf on July 25, 2018, 03:36:38 PM
The Orange Disaster Area on tape discussing paying off a model over an affair with his then-lawyer (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44949500). Y'know, after repeatedly denying knowing anything about it although he's already admitted reimbursing his lawyer for the payout. No wonder he wants people to not believe their eyes and ears.
I'm having me a warm and fuzzy Watergate flashback, m'self. Ah, tapes.
MSNBC has been big on the Watergate comparisons lately. But we had a Congress with stature and self-identity then. They told Nixon to leave and he did. Can you even IMAGINE Trump paying any attention to Congress now? Trump will have to go kicking and screaming, dragged by his heels and he STILL might win in 2020 if the courts he has arranged allow it (and they will 5-4 all the way).
Don't believe your lying eyes, believe your lying president.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 03:54:23 PM
Don't believe your lying eyes, believer your lying president.
Well that's what Trump keeps saying. Are you suggesting his inflamed supporters will suddenly become analytical?
No, just the first two syllables of that word...
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
No, just the first two syllables of that word...
You meant of course "in" and "flamed." LOL!
I actually had to decide if "flamed" was one syllable or two...
No, I meant the first two syllables of "analytical." :-P
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 04:59:06 PM
No, I meant the first two syllables of "analytical." :-P
I know, I know, LOL!
Now Trump's claiming that Russia will interfere in the mid-term elections - for the Democratic party!
He's just planting a seed in his base, so if the Dems do well they'll think Russia helped them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
Now Trump's claiming that Russia will interfere in the mid-term elections - for the Democratic party!
He would know all about that. One wonders if he was told to say that by Putin.
One does, indeed...
Cut out the Middle Man. I would vote directly for Putin myself. He looks better without a shirt than Hillary or Donald.
Quote from: Baruch on July 25, 2018, 07:54:45 PM
Cut out the Middle Man. I would vote directly for Putin myself. He looks better without a shirt than Hillary or Donald.
Oh... I like it but the visual is just nasty. Thanks a lot.
I'm heading for the liquor cabinet in hopes that whiskey will cleanse the palate.
Quote from: ferdmonger on July 25, 2018, 08:23:20 PM
Oh... I like it but the visual is just nasty. Thanks a lot.
I'm heading for the liquor cabinet in hopes that whiskey will cleanse the palate.
Russians are superior men ... and Western dandies just can't handle it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSASHp7enk
Sam Seder? Last name is Jewish. Why are you watching that Rothschild mouthpiece?
What!?
That's one of the most stupid things I've ever seen you ask - and that's saying a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbHnvWjhhCw
You responded, didn't you? Mission Accomplished!
Meathead!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2018, 08:07:29 PM
Meathead!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48TewJlc6BA
I am irresistably reminded of the summer of 1973:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sNwyV_fEM
Turns out (surprise surprise) the Orange Disaster Area knew about the meeting between his aides and a Russian delegation (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44976725).
In other news, the Congressional GOP continues to sit on their collective ass and do nothing about their crook in the White House, when we all know they would've started impeachment hearings on any Democrat with a twentieth the dirt that's already been dug up on Lord Dampnut.
Oh no, the one they want to impeach is Rod Rosenstein (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/26/the-articles-of-impeachment-against-rod-roesnstein-annotated/?utm_term=.1edb0c3e975a). Basically for just doing his job.
Quote from: trdsf on July 27, 2018, 10:28:35 AM
In other news, the Congressional GOP continues to sit on their collective ass and do nothing about their crook in the White House, when we all know they would've started impeachment hearings...
I am beginning to think that they are not doing nothing; they seem to be working overtime to keep the truth from the US public and to block having anything done to Trump. Money runs deep.
Quote from: trdsf on July 27, 2018, 10:28:35 AMOh no, the one they want to impeach is Rod Rosenstein (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/26/the-articles-of-impeachment-against-rod-roesnstein-annotated/?utm_term=.1edb0c3e975a). Basically for just doing his job.
I heard about that. A family member said that the House was bringing up articles of impeachment. I was briefly impressed by their sudden courage against Il Dunce. Turns out it's just Trump sycophants with an axe to grind against the Old Guard for making The Don uncomfortable. :/
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 27, 2018, 11:19:41 AM
I heard about that. A family member said that the House was bringing up articles of impeachment. I was briefly impressed by their sudden courage against Il Dunce. Turns out it's just Trump sycophants with an axe to grind against the Old Guard for making The Don uncomfortable. :/
Impeachment against Rosenstein, for delaying or obfuscating documents demanded by Congress. Nothing will happen. Citizens can go back to sheep (I mean sleep).
Yeah, I heard they backed off on the Rosenstein impeachment, at least for now. But for crying out loud, on July 4th(!) the GOP were in Moscow glad-handing the Russians!
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 27, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
I am beginning to think that they are not doing nothing; they seem to be working overtime to keep the truth from the US public and to block having anything done to Trump. Money runs deep.
See, that's the part that doesn't make sense. A lot of them -- at least the leadership -- have been in politics long enough to know that they're going to get clobbered this November despite the brave face they try to put on it, and a significant chunk of the money is going to follow the power, not their party, and they can't
not know that. Worse, even some of their traditional sugar daddies like the Kochs are known to be squeamish about the Orange Disaster Area, especially with trade war talk in the air.
So mainstream Republicans are either not fired up about voting this fall, or are pissed off about what their party leader is doing and going to vote for someone else (not necessarily the Democrat, just not the Republican) if they vote at all, independents are swinging away from them hard, and Democrats are more fired up than they've been in ages. If you go over the polling -- take your choice of sites, 538, RCP, Sabato -- even the built-in gerrymandered advantage isn't going to help them beyond mitigating the damage. And the only thing they can count on the Orange Disaster Area to do is aperiodically dip his oar in with something that's only going to piss off more people than it pleases. They can't get elected on their knuckledraggers alone (in most places). I think that's why so many of them are retiring this year, they want to leave before they get kicked out.
I'll get the popcorn.
Quote from: trdsf on July 27, 2018, 02:24:13 PM
See, that's the part that doesn't make sense. A lot of them -- at least the leadership -- have been in politics long enough to know that they're going to get clobbered this November despite the brave face they try to put on it, and a significant chunk of the money is going to follow the power, not their party, and they can't not know that. Worse, even some of their traditional sugar daddies like the Kochs are known to be squeamish about the Orange Disaster Area, especially with trade war talk in the air.
So mainstream Republicans are either not fired up about voting this fall, or are pissed off about what their party leader is doing and going to vote for someone else (not necessarily the Democrat, just not the Republican) if they vote at all, independents are swinging away from them hard, and Democrats are more fired up than they've been in ages. If you go over the polling -- take your choice of sites, 538, RCP, Sabato -- even the built-in gerrymandered advantage isn't going to help them beyond mitigating the damage. And the only thing they can count on the Orange Disaster Area to do is aperiodically dip his oar in with something that's only going to piss off more people than it pleases. They can't get elected on their knuckledraggers alone (in most places). I think that's why so many of them are retiring this year, they want to leave before they get kicked out.
I'll get the popcorn.
I want so very much to go along with what you just said. It makes sense. It is very reasonable. That's the problem for me, though. Reasoning seems to have gone out the window. I still have this sinking feeling (can't sink much more, can it??????) that the Repubs will still be in control after Nov. Doesn't make sense, isn't reasonable---but there it is.
I agree Mike. The GOP will do whatever they see as necessary to maintain their control of both the House and Senate. They're very good at stealing elections and getting away with it - it's what they do.
It's certainly possible. The trend is against them, but there's still a few months left, and Bob knows anything can happen. The numbers are actually more difficult for the Senate than the House -- most of the tossup seats in play are Democrats in red states, but divided control will be better than nothing.
And, I'm a 'glass half full' kind of guy.
Actually, I'm a 'why is the glass twice as big as it needs to be' kind of guy, but you know what I mean. :D
I cant help but wonder just how many Republicans (and Democrats) have been compromised by the Russians. Perhaps this "loyalty" to Trump is much more about self-preservation than any ideological conviction.
Remember Roy Moore busting into Russian like it was nothing? Remember just how vehemently Donald Trump backed a child-molesting, far-right nutjob (who happens to be full of praise for Putin)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbpZ1-W_Ipc[/youtube
By itself it certainly was interesting, but nothing particularly fishy. But when you look at how deeply Russian money (and apparently agents) have infiltrated our politics... even if it completely innocent, it becomes incredibly suspicious.
I don't think cutting off the head will fix the problem anymore; even with Trump gone both our politics and frankly our society has been heavily influenced and manipulated by the Russians, and it's going to take some real work to fix that. I am not particularly convinced we can.
I always believed the Cold War was over, but it really feels more and more like the Soviets never really went away, they just shrunk... and now they are winning. China has essentially assumed the role as the world super-power and are greatly expanding their influence in Africa (which is an unbelievable resource pool to have), and the Russians and all their puppet states across the Middle East are actively over-throwing Eastern governments, occupying European countries and destabilizing NATO from within.
Likewise when you look at global trend... democracies are decreasing, and autocracies are on the rise... which again favours China and Russia over NATO and the States.
I will praise Putin. He is a Russian patriot. And neither Russians, nor patriots, deserve your hate. Y'all sound so much like LBJ, in 1965 ... oh right, he was a Democrat too.
Now that we know you say stupid shit just to get a rise out of us, you can go fuck with someone else - see if you can find anyone who gives a damn what you have to say.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 27, 2018, 07:42:29 PM
Now that we know you say stupid shit just to get a rise out of us, you can go fuck with someone else - see if you can find anyone who give a damn what you have to say.
Well you can go %&%^$^ with a bunch of drugged up yippies, if you can find a time machine to get back to the 1968 Democrat National Convention. Don't think you can. I would have been happy if the 60s Establishment had simply shown y'all no mercy at all ... well actually sad, but a happy kind of sad.
Fuck off twit.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 27, 2018, 07:49:20 PM
Fuck off twit.
Young SJW of 1918 ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUwsrapJcA0
Young people today think they are doing something new ...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 27, 2018, 03:40:51 PM
I always believed the Cold War was over, but it really feels more and more like the Soviets never really went away, they just shrunk... and now they are winning. China has essentially assumed the role as the world super-power and are greatly expanding their influence in Africa (which is an unbelievable resource pool to have), and the Russians and all their puppet states across the Middle East are actively over-throwing Eastern governments, occupying European countries and destabilizing NATO from within.
More or less. Never forget that Vlad
the Impaler Putin spent 16 years as an officer in the KGB, from Brezhnev in 1975 through Andropov and Chernenko and ultimately Gorbachev in 1991, and later spent a year as director of the KGB's successor agency, the FSB, under Yeltsin. He practices national oligarchy and international destabilization as if the Politburo never went away.
Quote from: trdsf on July 28, 2018, 05:16:30 AM
More or less. Never forget that Vlad the Impaler Putin spent 16 years as an officer in the KGB, from Brezhnev in 1975 through Andropov and Chernenko and ultimately Gorbachev in 1991, and later spent a year as director of the KGB's successor agency, the FSB, under Yeltsin. He practices national oligarchy and international destabilization as if the Politburo never went away.
And you listen to everything the US 17 Intel agencies say? They killed JFK, or have you forgotten that. The Cold War never ended in the US either, the US cannot be sustained, without war ... just like the Mongol Horde.
Should we be prepared for a false flag attack on the U.S. to gin up support for war? Would Trump go to war to gin up support for himself? Might he try to use a war with Iran as a weapon of mass distraction to divert attention away from his treason? Would America gain anything by bombing Iran? Does anyone really care? War would be great news for "defense" contractors - they'd rake in hundreds of billions of $$$$, so they likely will push hard for a war with anyone, they love war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kojDxlJbySE
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/donald-trump-may-be-prepared-to-strike-iran-sources-say/10037728
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-28/james-mattis-dismisses-reports-possible-strike-iran-as-fiction/10046824
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/30/bolton-iran-mek-terrorism-trump/
"Would Trump go to war to gin up support for himself?"
Absolutely! There would be no downside to a war for Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 28, 2018, 02:47:35 PM
Should we be prepared for a false flag attack on the U.S. to gin up support for war? Would Trump go to war to gin up support for himself? Might he try to use a war with Iran as a weapon of mass distraction to divert attention away from his treason? Would America gain anything by bombing Iran? Does anyone really care? War would be great news for "defense" contractors - they'd rake in hundreds of billions of $$$$, so they likely will push hard for a war with anyone, they love war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kojDxlJbySE
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-27/donald-trump-may-be-prepared-to-strike-iran-sources-say/10037728
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-28/james-mattis-dismisses-reports-possible-strike-iran-as-fiction/10046824
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/30/bolton-iran-mek-terrorism-trump/
So which reptile aliens are responsible for 9/11 now? Are pure energy beings responsible for helping the Russians to figure out Podesta's password was "password"?
(https://www.amandamichellejones.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Alphabet-Chart.jpg)
Trump reportedly taught global trade policy with brightly-colored cue cards with minimal information (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-tariffs-eu-colorful-cards-2018-7)
At first, I honestly thought this was a joke. A satirical portrayal of our stable genius by someone who exaggerates his characteristic dotard qualities to the extreme. But then I remembered that he reportedly likes single-page memos with his own name sprinkled throughout, otherwise he quickly loses attention. So, legit? I really hope not, but it sure seems that way.
Btw, has anyone gotten confirmation that this guy has read a book yet? Asking for a friend. At this point, I'd even take his word for it. If he said he read Animal Farm and thought that Snowball was a cuck and Napoleon "makes the best deals", I'd give him props for reading one more book this year than most of his fanbase.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 28, 2018, 02:47:35 PM
Would Trump go to war to gin up support for himself? Might he try to use a war with Iran as a weapon of mass distraction to divert attention away from his treason?
Of course he would. The man is a sociopath. The only thing that matters to him is himself.
Funny that would describe a great many people ... egotistical individualists.
I guess we'd better leave Trump alone and stop bad-mouthing him - or else!
QuoteRight wing pastor Franklin Graham, son of the late Billy Graham, has some harsh words for those in the media who are talking about Trump’s payoffs to porn stars and Playboy playmates. Graham says that if they keep talking about these things they will have to face God’s wrath. Graham is just the latest in a long line of false prophets who are earning themselves a one-way ticket to damnation, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2tLi_J5tMs
The Graham family have been way too connected to politics. They damage Christianity doing that. Christianity was meant to be non-political.
Crackers everyone, Graham Crackers that is ;-)
So, now Trump threatens to blackmail America. Surprise...he thinks the presidency is a protection racket.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm9XULgu_EQ
Make America Grovel Again!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 29, 2018, 06:28:19 PM
I guess we'd better leave Trump alone and stop bad-mouthing him - or else!
Franklin Graham...I vaguely recall something about him recently. *rifles through an overstuffed folder illustrated with a circle labelled "Famous by proxy" overlapping a circle labelled "Says dumb shit constantly"* Aha! Here it is.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/UFXvdh_H80dzHvmLWA8PUoL8ER6sKfi3gCznQAoAQoc.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=960&s=f39afd63970d4eab5a24337d9e915988)
Trump: "Youse got a nice country here, be a shame if somethin' happened to it..."
Quote from: Baruch on July 29, 2018, 07:01:40 PM
The Graham family have been way too connected to politics. They damage Christianity doing that. Christianity was meant to be non-political.
Crackers everyone, Graham Crackers that is ;-)
Yeah, that's what Constantine thought.
Trump likes to pay hush money to people he's screwed - like American farmers.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 29, 2018, 07:27:41 PM
Trump likes to pay hush money to people he's screwed - like American farmers.
And every time he screws someone it gets more expensive!
Well it refreshing that it is "no longer" OK to be a douche in public office. Don't nominate them, then you won't have to keep them out of stuffing the ballot box.
Meanwhile .. I have always been divided on "withholding approval" by the President on a bill. Just veto it, and if they can't overturn the veto, then Congress should resign ;-))
A government of the [corporate] people, by the [corporate] people, and for the [corporate] people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB3MQkGuDJc
Well, if you like your Citizens United, you can keep your Citizens United. How come Obama never proposed any law to reverse this? Crickets ...
If Mueller has such "conflict of interest," why is it just now being mentioned? Did Trump consider this his ace-in-the-hole, to be released at the optimal time? Or has he just made the shit up, like he's been doing for so long?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SivNdA9QMU
Mueller was involved with ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller
Mueller supported the 9-11 fake investigation, supported the 2003 fake invasion of Iraq, he supported early versions of unconstitutional wiretaps we have today. Pure Deep State guy, and in private practice after corruption and organized crime among other things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act_of_1939
Both Republicans and Democrats in high office routinely violate the Hatch Act. They are partisan, can they be anything else? So only an Independent prosecutor should be allowed in any investigation ... if you can find one.
He was among those interviewed to be the head of the FBI (for him the second time) and didn't get the job. Sour grapes?
Does anyone in the US not have a conflict of interest relative to Mr Trump? See it would be hard to have a fair trial of anyone so famous ... as Nixon, Clinton or Trump. Not that would ever stop a political show trial. It was this kind of thing that caused the end of the Roman Republic.
But MSNBC? Like CNN etc I respect them the same way I respect my toilet paper after I have used it. Mueller I would respect however (if we ignore his partisan background of course). I would think y'all would hate him, because of his military service.
Now Old Bug Eyes says that collusion is not a crime. He says he's looked through the U.S. code and there's no crime called "collusion." Is he conceding that collusion happened but that it's OK, because it's not a crime? Maybe he should look it up under "conspiracy."
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 30, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Now Old Bug Eyes says that collusion is not a crime. He says he's looked through the U.S. code and there's no crime called "collusion." Is he conceding that collusion happened but that it's OK, because it's not a crime? Maybe he should look it up under "conspiracy."
Let's save time here and call it obstruction.
Much more succinct.
Quote from: ferdmonger on July 30, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Let's save time here and call it obstruction.
Much more succinct.
Even more succinct ... political parties obstruct each other ... get over it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 30, 2018, 08:39:20 PM
Now Old Bug Eyes says that collusion is not a crime. He says he's looked through the U.S. code and there's no crime called "collusion." Is he conceding that collusion happened but that it's OK, because it's not a crime? Maybe he should look it up under "conspiracy."
Clintons, Obamas, Clintons again .... conspiracy to commit politics. But when will the executions start? That is what y'all want, that and free escargot.
Dems are unhinged. Mental.
"This isn't politics anymore it is the world's dumbest religion"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8xEw2gjEVk
Quote from: ferdmonger on July 30, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Let's save time here and call it obstruction.
Much more succinct.
Old Bug Eyes seems to've had a collusion collision!
Well, now the real trouble for the GOP starts: the Orange Disaster Area has attacked his own party's most reliable deep pockets (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45021213).
I'll make the popcorn â€" betcha the politicos follow the money, while the knuckledraggers follow Lord Dampnut. This'll be fun to watch.
Quote from: trdsf on July 31, 2018, 03:39:36 PM
Well, now the real trouble for the GOP starts: the Orange Disaster Area has attacked his own party's most reliable deep pockets (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45021213).
I'll make the popcorn â€" betcha the politicos follow the money, while the knuckledraggers follow Lord Dampnut. This'll be fun to watch.
Yes, maybe the Chinese are right ... Trump is a strategist/tactical genius? Who doesn't want to poon the Koch brothers?
Quote from: ferdmonger on July 30, 2018, 10:08:39 PM
Let's save time here and call it obstruction.
Much more succinct.
Collision is not specifically a crime. It is shorthand for conspiracy in many forms though. Trump et al have gamed the debate talking about collusion not being a crime, when it is the crimes involved in conspiracy that are the crimes. I am not fooled.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 02:04:03 AM
Collision is not specifically a crime. It is shorthand for conspiracy in many forms though. Trump et al have gamed the debate talking about collusion not being a crime, when it is the crimes involved in conspiracy that are the crimes. I am not fooled.
Usually it is the coverup that gets you in trouble, not the original scandal. Ask Nixon.
Quote from: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 01:17:30 PM
Usually it is the coverup that gets you in trouble, not the original scandal. Ask Nixon.
Ask the Catholic church.
It isn't' the crime, it's the cover-up.
Quote from: ferdmonger on August 01, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Ask the Catholic church.
It isn't' the crime, it's the cover-up.
Correct, if the bishops had fessed up, I would think the Catholic Church had a future. A system that relies on self incrimination (confession) shouldn't run out of integrity. Nobody will trust them enough to self-incriminate.
Is Trump really a great businessman, or is he a great Russian asset?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXI6hNwWsOU
Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart â€" Or His Handler? (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html)
All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 Charts (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868)
Trump seems to lie every time he opens his mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IAgMXtyYtI
He lies when he doesn't even need to lie! I think he lies just for the fun of it.
I slurp up Liberal tears with gusto! With Conservatives, I prefer to drink their blood.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 06:10:06 PM
Trump seems to lie every time he opens his mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IAgMXtyYtI
He lies when he doesn't even need to lie! I think he lies just for the fun of it.
I don't think he even tries to figure out what he says is a lie or not--he doesn't care. He says whatever he thinks will benefit him the most. So why would he care about truth--whatever he says when he says it is the truth.
I need to get some ID so I can go buy some groceries...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
I need to get some ID so I can go buy some groceries...
Can they card paper-mache heads? Seems inappropriate if the customer is already made of card board.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
I need to get some ID so I can go buy some groceries...
Yeah, like the grocery store needs a picture ID to sell me broccoli. Trump is guilty of the failure of the very rich to understand how real life works.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 12:39:54 AM
Yeah, like the grocery store needs a picture ID to sell me broccoli. Trump is guilty of the failure of the very rich to understand how real life works.
True. See food is a terror weapon. Only day old bread for you, and Flint Michigan water.
Quote from: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 08:39:00 AM
True. See food is a terror weapon. Only day old bread for you, and Flint Michigan water.
How little you know. I bake my own bread. And I even collect pure rainwater in sterile containers...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
How little you know. I bake my own bread. And I even collect pure rainwater in sterile containers...
Like dairymen who produce unpasteurized milk, the storm troopers will visit you ;-( You must not be independent of the Food Mafia.
Quote from: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 08:54:02 AM
Like dairymen who produce unpasteurized milk, the storm troopers will visit you ;-( You must not be independent of the Food Mafia.
I'm not. I think. That is a very bizarre analogy, meaning little but suggesting less.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 09:09:14 AM
I'm not. I think. That is a very bizarre analogy, meaning little but suggesting less.
Don't mention "Monsanto" unless you are all alone in a sound proof closet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt5VtuQUL5I
Also don't sell lemonade or hot dogs.
Quote from: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 09:12:34 AM
Don't mention "Monsanto" unless you are all alone in a sound proof closet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt5VtuQUL5I
Also don't sell lemonade or hot dogs.
I think I can safely promise not to sell lemonade hot dogs. I like mine with mustard. Sometimes dill relish or even some chili.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 09:15:06 AM
I think I can safely promise not to sell lemonade hot dogs. I like mine with mustard. Sometimes dill relish or even some chili.
Commas not comas.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 09:17:40 AM
Try that one again...
I missed a comma, and then joked about it, recursively. Higher computer science joke within a joke.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
How little you know. I bake my own bread. And I even collect pure rainwater in sterile containers...
Isn't rain water dangerous? What kind of pollution is in the stuff? Have you ever had it tested for toxins?
Just wondering...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
Isn't rain water dangerous? What kind of pollution is in the stuff? Have you ever had it tested for toxins?
Just wondering...
Puritans out to protect everyone from themselves, wanna know.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
Isn't rain water dangerous? What kind of pollution is in the stuff? Have you ever had it tested for toxins?
Just wondering...
The rainwater is for my 6 Venus Fly traps. I should have explained... They don't deal well with chlorinated tap water. That's why most VFTs people buy die.
But I suppose the rainwater would be good in an emergency. Better than drinking the pond water.
Cool, I bet those fly traps are a lot more fun than fly swatters!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
Cool, I bet those fly traps are a lot more fun than fly swatters!
I catch flies inside by hand. My cats are envious. If you haven't carefully fed a grabbed housefly into a VFT trap to see it close suddenly, you don't know what lethality is, LOL! I LOVE those things...
I tried catching flies with chopsticks, but I sucked at it! ;-D
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
I tried catching flies with chopsticks, but I sucked at it! ;-D
You must learn the mastery of the single chopstick, only then will you understand the rice...
Seriously, you sucked a fly off a chopstick? LOL!
Sure, best way to eat flies! To quote Bobby Fischer -"best by test!"
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
I tried catching flies with chopsticks, but I sucked at it! ;-D
Miyamoto Musashi you are not. Broken rice bowl too? Musashi didn't eat the flies, he scared the ninjas.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 03:54:34 PM
Sure, best way to eat flies! To quote Bobby Fischer -"best by test!"
That is what Count Dracula's assistant said too. Are you also related to Igor?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 02:34:59 PM
The rainwater is for my 6 Venus Fly traps. I should have explained... They don't deal well with chlorinated tap water. That's why most VFTs people buy die.
But I suppose the rainwater would be good in an emergency. Better than drinking the pond water.
Takes scum to know pond scum? (sarc). Some of the best biological species I know are scum.
Actually I would be afraid of the amoebas and other tiny critters. Drink them, and die.
Who Is The Mystery Man Behind @realDonaldTrump? (Besides The President) (https://www.npr.org/2018/04/19/603904858/who-is-the-mystery-man-behind-realdonaldtrump-besides-the-president)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 07:27:07 PM
Who Is The Mystery Man Behind @realDonaldTrump? (Besides The President) (https://www.npr.org/2018/04/19/603904858/who-is-the-mystery-man-behind-realdonaldtrump-besides-the-president)
Speechwriters been in demand ever since politicians got lazy.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 02:41:57 PM
I catch flies inside by hand. My cats are envious. If you haven't carefully fed a grabbed housefly into a VFT trap to see it close suddenly, you don't know what lethality is, LOL! I LOVE those things...
If you ever visit up this way, I will take you to the carnivorous plants section of the local conservatory. I really didn't think they'd survive all that well in Ohio, but they do fine even though they're kept outside year-round. Flytraps, pitcher plants, I think sundews too.
I kept VFTs several years ago, and I was shocked when it flowered. I had no idea they had flowers.
Quote from: trdsf on August 06, 2018, 01:49:45 AM
If you ever visit up this way, I will take you to the carnivorous plants section of the local conservatory. I really didn't think they'd survive all that well in Ohio, but they do fine even though they're kept outside year-round. Flytraps, pitcher plants, I think sundews too.
I kept VFTs several years ago, and I was shocked when it flowered. I had no idea they had flowers.
Flowers? Hippie VFT.
Here's a big surprise:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ljINMHC6A
He's not really an actor, he just plays one in the movies...
Per Wiki ... Seagal should also get along well with Trump (alleged sexual predation). I suspect Seagal likes semi-naked men on horseback ;-)
Look what Dennis Rodman did for N Korea!
Here is the guy to act as a peace maker between D and R ... no, not Robin Williams, the two-headed guy ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl3e-OUnavQ
Remember this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFENSU8CmZk
Atheistforums florist
Hell, Trump doesn't even care if he causes his oldest son to go to prison as long as he can save his own ass! WTF!?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 08, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
Hell, Trump doesn't even care if he causes his oldest son to go to prison as long as he can save his own ass! WTF!?
Really?? I haven't heard anything about this.
Also, *coughingfit*Stalin*coughingfit*
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 08, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
Hell, Trump doesn't even care if he causes his oldest son to go to prison as long as he can save his own ass! WTF!?
The President can pardon anyone, at anytime, for any reason, or no reason at all. Clinton did. So you think he wouldn't pardon his oldest son? Well, maybe he hates his oldest son, wants to teach him a lesson ...
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 08, 2018, 07:18:33 PM
Really?? I haven't heard anything about this.
Also, *coughingfit*Stalin*coughingfit*
Anyone connected with NYC or New Jersey real estate is a mobster. But then so are most of the people in Congress. Cohen clearly is a "consiglieri" aka Jewish mafia lawyer. Think the Star Trek classic episode where they went to Planet Chicago ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7eGdtvo85U
We are living this right now.
And this is in fact, the greatest live action "reality show" ... it is what the Don does ... capiche?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 04, 2018, 03:54:34 PM
Sure, best way to eat flies! To quote Bobby Fischer -"best by test!"
That was P-K4...
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 08, 2018, 07:18:33 PM
Really?? I haven't heard anything about this.
Also, *coughingfit*Stalin*coughingfit*
Oh yeah, he chucked Little Donnie under the bus when he tweeted that Junior
did in fact meet the Russians at Trump Tower for dirt on political opponents (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45100770), leaving Junior to have to double down on the "it was about adoptions!" story, thus by implication calling the Orange Disaster Area a liar.
I foresee a frosty Thanksgiving dinner with the family in the White House this November...
Anyway, here's your scorecard on how the lies about the Trump Tower meeting have evolved over time (from the above BBC News link):
- 8 July 2017: The New York Times reveals the June 2016 meeting took place and Mr Trump Jr releases a statement describing it as a “short introductory meeting†that focused on Russian adoptions
- 9 July 2017: The Times reports that Mr Trump Jr was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before the meeting. He confirmed the report but said in a second statement that “no meaningful information†came from the meeting
- 11 July 2017: Mr Trump Jr tweets screenshots of his email correspondence that discussed setting up the meeting just minutes before the email chain was revealed in a Times story. The emails showed he was eager to accept “sensitive†information that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trumpâ€
- 12-16 July 2017: The president’s lawyer Jay Sekulow denies that Mr Trump was involved in his son’s initial statement to the Times
- 2 June 2018: The Times reports that Mr Trump’s lawyers wrote a letter to special counsel Mueller acknowledging that he dictated his son’s initial statement
- 26 July 2018: The president’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen says that Mr Trump approved the June 2016 meeting, contradicting previous statements by the Trump legal team
- 5 August 2018: The president says his son took the meeting “to get information on an opponentâ€, but denies having any knowledge of it
It is hard to control a family business. The one founded by my father's father, fell apart after he died. Damn kids!
Quote from: trdsf on August 09, 2018, 05:58:06 AM
Oh yeah, he chucked Little Donnie under the bus when he tweeted that Junior did in fact meet the Russians at Trump Tower for dirt on political opponents (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45100770), leaving Junior to have to double down on the "it was about adoptions!" story, thus by implication calling the Orange Disaster Area a liar.
I foresee a frosty Thanksgiving dinner with the family in the White House this November...
Anyway, here's your scorecard on how the lies about the Trump Tower meeting have evolved over time (from the above BBC News link):
- 8 July 2017: The New York Times reveals the June 2016 meeting took place and Mr Trump Jr releases a statement describing it as a “short introductory meeting†that focused on Russian adoptions
- 9 July 2017: The Times reports that Mr Trump Jr was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before the meeting. He confirmed the report but said in a second statement that “no meaningful information†came from the meeting
- 11 July 2017: Mr Trump Jr tweets screenshots of his email correspondence that discussed setting up the meeting just minutes before the email chain was revealed in a Times story. The emails showed he was eager to accept “sensitive†information that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trumpâ€
- 12-16 July 2017: The president’s lawyer Jay Sekulow denies that Mr Trump was involved in his son’s initial statement to the Times
- 2 June 2018: The Times reports that Mr Trump’s lawyers wrote a letter to special counsel Mueller acknowledging that he dictated his son’s initial statement
- 26 July 2018: The president’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen says that Mr Trump approved the June 2016 meeting, contradicting previous statements by the Trump legal team
- 5 August 2018: The president says his son took the meeting “to get information on an opponentâ€, but denies having any knowledge of it
I wonder how long it will take for The Donald to say that his son, Junior, was just a neighbor and he really never knew much about him...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 09, 2018, 06:51:48 AM
I wonder how long it will take for The Donald to say that his son, Junior, was just a neighbor and he really never knew much about him...
Like George W and Enron? Standard procedure man.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 09, 2018, 04:44:00 AM
That was P-K4...
Oh...uh...yeah, that's the ticket! ;-)
This is so hard to believe, how can all these people believe that Trump is the saviour of the planet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x71QNZsVqIc
Because he is a clear sign of the End Time! Obviously ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 09, 2018, 07:22:12 PM
This is so hard to believe, how can all these people believe that Trump is the saviour of the planet?
Trump's presidency was NOT decided in heaven - unless heaven is in Moscow!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 09, 2018, 07:36:10 PM
Trump's presidency was NOT decided in heaven - unless heaven is in Moscow!
End Time is when your money runs out. No more subscription to Time.
We may not hear about this from the MSM, so I'm glad Kyle is on top of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3GxFCA0x2s
The reason Trump was put in office by Putin is the goal of destroying America's economy - America first, the Europe.
The giant timeline of everything Russia, Trump and the investigations (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/features/russia-timeline/)
You are the inverse of pr126 ... that isn't a good thing.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2018, 07:43:53 PM
Anyone connected with NYC or New Jersey real estate is a mobster. But then so are most of the people in Congress. Cohen clearly is a "consiglieri" aka Jewish mafia lawyer. Think the Star Trek classic episode where they went to Planet Chicago ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7eGdtvo85U
We are living this right now.
And this is in fact, the greatest live action "reality show" ... it is what the Don does ... capiche?
A friend from Chicago sent me an email yesterday noting that last weekend, Chicago had 72 shootings, and 12 left dead ranging in age from 11 to 66. Having said that, A Piece of the Action might be my all time favorite episode of the original Star Trek.
Gangsterism went down hill, when they got rid of the 1928 Packard touring car, and the Thompson sub-machinegun. You have to know what kind of alien planet you are on, and learn to fit into native culture. Illinois, to my knowledge, is still a pretty corrupt place at all levels of government. A long history of bribes and official abuse/neglect. Lincoln was the last honest man elected from there ;-(
And remember, in the 19th century, Americans E of the Mississippi admired the Wild Wild West.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
And remember, in the 19th century, Americans E of the Mississippi admired the Wild Wild West.
When I was a kid, Abraham Lincoln, Davy Crocket, and the Civil War seemed like the olden days, but I was born 43 years after the 19th Century. Didn't miss it by much. Now at my age, the taming of the west on horseback that began before the invention of the repeating rifle doesn't strike me as that long ago. What does impress me is how far we came with science and technology since the Gettysburg Address. It makes you wonder just how much mankind had been fucking around for the first 100,000 years. First some guy learned how to chip flint. Thousands of years go by and then another guy invents the wheel. Thousands more go by and someone comes up with the shovel. And all of a sudden everything started happening at once and we are flying through space and blowing each other up with atomic bombs. Great advancements in science, but none in politics. We are still being governed by complete idiots.
Religion is supposed to bring wisdom to mankind, but after all this time we still have very little of it. Science has done more to improve our condition in the last 300 years than religion did in the last 30,000 years. Our science has far outstripped our wisdom because there's none at all coming to us from religion. It's time we gave up the idea that religion can give us anything other than false hope, and start to think in terms of our place in the reality of a dangerous cosmos.
But we won't do that, we'd rather just keep bombing each other back to the stone age.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
Religion is supposed to bring wisdom to mankind, but after all this time we still have very little of it. Science has done more to improve our condition in the last 300 years than religion did in the last 30,000 years. Our science has far outstripped our wisdom because there's none at all coming to us from religion. It's time we gave up the idea that religion can give us anything other than false hope, and start to think in terms of our place in the reality of a dangerous cosmos.
But we won't do that, we'd rather just keep bombing each other back to the stone age.
Greater technical ability at being a-moral. More efficient raping, pillaging and murder. Just ask Aleppo Syria.
Yeah, in the 1960s, the 1940s weren't that long ago, just the same as the 1990s are now.
Yes, iPhone made in China by wage slaves ... Enlightenment in action.
Maybe this is something like what Trump has in mind fo0r his Space Force:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98
The Trump administration is like sharks in a feeding frenzy, or a bunch of hens at a pecking party. We don't need to have "shark week" any more, it's going to be a permanent part of the U.S. government, apparently.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2018, 07:40:25 PM
The Trump administration is like sharks in a feeding frenzy, or a bunch of hens at a pecking party. We don't need to have "shark week" any more, it's going to be a permanent part of the U.S. government, apparently.
Don't diss the lawyer class, sharks part in respect (part of old joke).
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2018, 04:10:16 PM
Maybe this is something like what Trump has in mind fo0r his Space Force:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98
So his aerospace is already Baroque? Can you launch your interceptors in one minuet?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2018, 02:28:10 PM
Religion is supposed to bring wisdom to mankind, but after all this time we still have very little of it. Science has done more to improve our condition in the last 300 years than religion did in the last 30,000 years. Our science has far outstripped our wisdom because there's none at all coming to us from religion. It's time we gave up the idea that religion can give us anything other than false hope, and start to think in terms of our place in the reality of a dangerous cosmos.
But we won't do that, we'd rather just keep bombing each other back to the stone age.
Religion has never brought wisdom to humankind. Rather, it is that humankind has learned what works and does not work to keep human societies functioning. All that religion has ever done is steal the hard-won experience of humankind and write about it while adding some nonsense guys in the sky to explain what we had already learned. And some idiotic religious rules about a special day of the week dedicated to giving money to them.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2018, 03:43:18 AM
Religion has never brought wisdom to humankind. Rather, it is that humankind has learned what works and does not work to keep human societies functioning. All that religion has ever done is steal the hard-won experience of humankind and write about it while adding some nonsense guys in the sky to explain what we had already learned. And some idiotic religious rules about a special day of the week dedicated to giving money to them.
And Druids already knew that the world was round. Are you a Druid?
Humanity has no wisdom, history proves it again and again and ...
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2018, 05:46:49 AM
Humanity has no wisdom, history proves it again and again and ...
Stunning generalization for such a huge and varied group.
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
Stunning generalization for such a huge and varied group.
Everyone thinks they are great ... but don't take their word for it ...
(https://i.imgur.com/dDzblDP.jpg)
Well, he does love the poorly educated, and they love him right back.
I thought for sure that this must've been a photoshop or something. So I went and found the tweet (https://twitter.com/AZGOP/status/1026577916128362497). It's 100% real.
Trump continued the job expansion that began under Obama, from about 2011. The jobs created so far however, are not good jobs. If we count 7 years of expansion, then that is 70+14 months or 84 months. So not quite 90. Of course Obama-god is responsible for the earlier poor expansion, just as Trump-god is responsible for the more recent poor expansion.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 09, 2018, 06:51:48 AM
I wonder how long it will take for The Donald to say that his son, Junior, was just a neighbor and he really never knew much about him...
About three seconds after he decides Junior is a liability. Could happen sooner rather than later if he figures out Junior's calling him a liar. I don't think he's smart enough to realize that. He's perfectly capable of believing both his tweets and Junior's statements at the same time, even if they're mutually exclusive.
An alternate possibility reminds me of Roland Hedley's Return to Reagan's Brain in Doonesbury...
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/782a17209214012f2fe300163e41dd5b)
I like Doonesbury too. One of the few good things to crawl out of the 60s.
Many people seem to think that Trump will go down soon, and he will, but only on Putin...
Any time there's something that might harm Trump it turns out not to involve him in any way.
Manafort's team made a request that none of the stuff at trial discuss Trump, and Mueller's team agreed.
Flynn's in on some bullshit "lying to the FBI" charge and shows no signs of telling on Trump.
Michael Cohen's a scumbag, but Mueller isn't prosecuting him, indicating that Cohen has nothing on Trump.
None of the guys above seem to have had immunity, and none of them besides Flynn are the kinds of dudes who'd take a fall for Trump.
Nothing hard has come out, and anything that could have been hard proof has turned out to be nothing. Snowflakes get beat.
It's not over yet, since the weight-challenged female has not yet begun to sing. They were after Clinton for years before they got around to Monica, and Clinton lied about it.
A nice Washington Examiner article. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/byron-york-if-mueller-didnt-charge-flynn-and-manafort-with-collusion-then-who-was-colluding)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 13, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
It's not over yet, since the weight-challenged female has not yet begun to sing. They were after Clinton for years before they got around to Monica, and Clinton lied about it.
Which lie I find preferable to selling out to a foreign power. It's a little tragic to think that over the last 50 years in the GOP, you have to consider Nixon a *high* water mark.
Yeah, we do live in interesting times, huh?
Quote from: trdsf on August 13, 2018, 07:17:07 PM
Which lie I find preferable to selling out to a foreign power. It's a little tragic to think that over the last 50 years in the GOP, you have to consider Nixon a *high* water mark.
You already did. How much schlock do you buy from China? Not that there is anything wrong with that. And most of you are old Viet Cong supporters.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 13, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
Yeah, we do live in interesting times, huh?
That is a Chinese curse ... see my next comment, Round Eyes.
Trump donors irked (http://theweek.com/speedreads/790832/trump-campaign-donors-are-getting-irritated-money-being-used-elongated-hush-payments) that some of their money is being used as "slush funds to pay fired or troublesome employees"
Well, there's a very simple solution to that problem...
Quote"It's diverting donor money that could be used to wage the midterm election battle or store resources for Trump's re-election," said Dan Eberhart, Trump donor and America First adviser. "Instead, it's an elongated hush payment."
Diverting funds away from the election battle, sounds terrible. An electoral loss would be awful...for Trump. Not quite so bad for America, though.
QuoteAt the same time, he said, "they still want to win elections," so wallets aren't necessarily closed.
Makes perfect sense. I mean, what's the alternative? Supporting someone who doesn't betray your trust and embarrass you daily? That's crazy talk.
GOP forbid Trump should use his own money to pay for hush. His hush fund is probably bigger than his legal fund. Maybe he should ask his boss Putin to pay some of it?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 17, 2018, 01:39:43 PM
GOP forbid Trump should use his own money to pay for hush. His hush fund is probably bigger than his legal fund. Maybe he should ask his boss Putin to pay some of it?
With really rich people, they always use other people's money ... particularly tax payers.
"Would not concede despite all available evidence" - yep that's Trump, all right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCHPh8R-YY
Trump really came unhinged today getting on Marine-1. I think Mueller is starting to get under his skin. It's starting to look like everyone but Trump is going to get in trouble. I dont know how that math works.
He should have already been kicked out for gross incompetence. I guess he's still a useful idiot to somebody. I wonder if he gets charged with a crime if Congress will still look the other way. The Constitution requires that a president committing a crime to be impeached. But obviously Congress doesnt care what it says. they screw it up all the time
Quote from: fencerider on August 17, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
Trump really came unhinged today getting on Marine-1. I think Mueller is starting to get under his skin. It's starting to look like everyone but Trump is going to get in trouble. I dont know how that math works.
He should have already been kicked out for gross incompetence. I guess he's still a useful idiot to somebody. I wonder if he gets charged with a crime if Congress will still look the other way. The Constitution requires that a president committing a crime to be impeached. But obviously Congress doesnt care what it says. they screw it up all the time
If the GOP remains in control, they will. They'd've already impeached any Democrat who'd done even a tenth the shit that the Orange Disaster Area has already done.
As a matter of practical politics, absent an indictable offense, I'm not entirely sure a Democratic House would impeach either. In the first place, barring a blue tidal wave this fall, there's just no chance of getting 67 votes to convict in the Senate. And as a purely political matter, they don't want to hand the keys of the White House over to Ayatollah Pence.
Granted, even if video surfaced of the Orange Disaster Area fucking a dead goat and using an American flag as a condom, the Republicans would find a way to keep making excuses for him, or at least clearing their throats and looking the other way.
(https://i.imgur.com/CeNfpcN.jpg)
Kaisch knows what's up. (And it doesn't take a genius to figure out why Trump doesn't like Kaisch (https://twitter.com/johnkasich/status/1019027296668340224?lang=en))
It's tempting to paint the Trumpster fire as a liberal VS conservative battle, but really this is a mutual threat.
Quote from: fencerider on August 17, 2018, 08:50:48 PM
Trump really came unhinged today getting on Marine-1. I think Mueller is starting to get under his skin. It's starting to look like everyone but Trump is going to get in trouble. I dont know how that math works.
He should have already been kicked out for gross incompetence. I guess he's still a useful idiot to somebody. I wonder if he gets charged with a crime if Congress will still look the other way. The Constitution requires that a president committing a crime to be impeached. But obviously Congress doesnt care what it says. they screw it up all the time
Second Investigative Counsel to be formed ... to investigate massive collusion and interference with election ... by Democrats, who are linked to Putin thru Obama-Kenyan administration.
This is why Trump can't be a racist: with those bone spurs he could never run a race...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 17, 2018, 08:35:05 PM
"Would not concede despite all available evidence" - yep that's Trump, all right!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grCHPh8R-YY
All Trump had to do was go to youtube and watch the thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXVGQnJm0w
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 18, 2018, 01:25:06 AM
Kaisch knows what's up. (And it doesn't take a genius to figure out why Trump doesn't like Kaisch (https://twitter.com/johnkasich/status/1019027296668340224?lang=en))
Being an Ohioan, I know that John Kasich is no moderate (defunding Planned Parenthood, and tried the same union-busting shit that Walker did in Wisconsin, but we overturned it at the ballot box), but props where they're due.
I think he's pretty clearly positioning himself for 2020 as the Anti-Trump. My wishful thinking scenario is Kasich getting the nomination, and the Orange Disaster Area running as an independent out of egotism, pique, spite, bull-headedness, whatever. I'll make the popcorn. :)
Oh, Rudy. According to Giuliani, "truth isn't truth (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45241838)". Chuck Todd's reaction is... appropriate:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk-HotbUwAAJzOa.jpg)
You expected honesty?
I wonder when the TDS will burn itself out.
Pace it, folks, there are another 6 years to go. SMH.
Quote from: pr126 on August 20, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
I wonder when the TDS will burn itself out.
Pace it, folks, there are another 6 years to go. SMH.
Republicans need that long to recover from ODS.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2018, 09:37:19 AM
Republicans need that long to recover from ODS.
What?! O was the best president America ever had. The ONE.
Quote from: trdsf on August 20, 2018, 09:00:11 AM
Oh, Rudy. According to Giuliani, "truth isn't truth (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45241838)". Chuck Todd's reaction is... appropriate:
The motto of the Trump administration. (the other, unstated one, is 'Look how fucking rich I've become!'
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 20, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
The motto of the Trump administration. (the other, unstated one, is 'Look how fucking rich I've become!'
Good sans culottes POV
Quote from: trdsf on August 20, 2018, 09:00:11 AM
Oh, Rudy. According to Giuliani, "truth isn't truth (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45241838)". Chuck Todd's reaction is... appropriate:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk-HotbUwAAJzOa.jpg)
Leave it to Old Bug Eyes to muddy the swamp water...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum3KPb3y1Q
Quote from: pr126 on August 20, 2018, 01:20:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum3KPb3y1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum3KPb3y1Q)
(http://[url=https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk_ahEkW4AAlOE_.jpg%5Dhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dk_ahEkW4AAlOE_.jpg%5B/url%5D)
John Oliver can be funny and informative at the same time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkd57lPfPU
Quote from: trdsf on August 20, 2018, 09:00:11 AM
Oh, Rudy. According to Giuliani, "truth isn't truth (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45241838)". Chuck Todd's reaction is... appropriate:
For now they're just muddying the water, I expect soon they'll be bloodying the water.
So Lord Dampnut is afraid of picking up a perjury rap if he testifies under oath to the Mueller investigation (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45254374).
Psst, Donnie -- the simple fix to that is to quit lying. I mean, if you change your story six times before finally admitting the truth of something, that's six lies right there.
Anyway, we're right back into Howard Baker territory again (remember when Republicans actually gave a fuck about good governance?):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sNwyV_fEM
If he's determined to not be put under oath, that only makes me wonder what it is he doesn't want to have to say on the record under penalty of perjury...
He may not even know what the truth is after so many lies. Or maybe he's just not able to keep from lying under any circumstances.
So, it isn't really Trump's Space Force, it comes from "defense" contractors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChrxtpe0SA
All that money will be great for the sacred shareholders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgk3HaaNxE
The Orange Disaster Area's ex-lawyer has made a plea deal (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546). He is expected to plead guilty to tax fraud and campaign finance violations. It is not yet known if this also means he's going to be coöperating with Mueller's probe, or the details of his plea deal. It may be that he knew he was busted and pleaded out just to get it over with, or it may be that he's turned.
Stay tuned.
Quote from: trdsf on August 21, 2018, 03:37:22 PM
The Orange Disaster Area's ex-lawyer has made a plea deal (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546). He is expected to plead guilty to tax fraud and campaign finance violations. It is not yet known if this also means he's going to be coöperating with Mueller's probe, or the details of his plea deal. It may be that he knew he was busted and pleaded out just to get it over with, or it may be that he's turned.
Stay tuned.
Here's to hoping the reduced sentencing was for him to squeal against Trump, which has been the goal all along.
Pleading guilty to campaign finance violations... but the Trump campaign also did absolutely nothing wrong and it's all a witch hunt. Mmhmm. Okay.
There certainly exists a Trump Derangement Syndrome, and it exists for the people who believe his crimes aren't that big of deal or, even worse, didn't happen. I wonder how long they can kick and pout about reality before it sinks in.
Michael Cohen implicated Trump as a part of his criminal acts. The Constitution is clear. If the president is found guilty of a felony or a misdemeanor, Congress must impeach him. There is no choice for Congress what they will do. It requires that president to be impeached and removed from office.
At best that means we go from a wannabe dictator to a wannabe theocract. I will be excited as the next guy when trumps farce comes to an end, but it doesn't look like things will significantly improve.
Now it's time for pardons. Curious to see how that will play out. But will it come down to Trump's word vs Cohen's? It'd be nice to know just what evidence they actually have against Trump.
I hope I don't run out of popcorn...
Good thing Trump has all the best people - I'd hate to see him with all the worst people!
Speaking of working (and colluding) with the worst people, the judge threw out the defamation lawsuit against Christopher Steele (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/christopher-steeles-victory-in-a-dc-court/568057/), the author of the famous Trumpâ€"Russia dossier.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 21, 2018, 08:31:20 PM
Good thing Trump has all the best people - I'd hate to see him with all the worst people!
yup instead of Trump screwing them they would be screwing him.
Pence is probably gloating about now.... thinking about it soon being his turn to screw the U.S.. After Trump being so crazy, it will probably take a little while for people to realize Pence is no angel.
Quote from: fencerider on August 21, 2018, 05:07:07 PM
Michael Cohen implicated Trump as a part of his criminal acts. The Constitution is clear. If the president is found guilty of a felony or a misdemeanor, Congress must impeach him. There is no choice for Congress what they will do. It requires that president to be impeached and removed from office.
Obama, George W, Clinton ... remember those criminals. They have been shitting on your worthless Constitution for centuries now.
If you want to arrest criminals, put the Dems in FEMA camps (next to Republicans).
The 2016 election showed me, that most voters deserve the death penalty. (sarc)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 21, 2018, 08:42:46 PM
Speaking of working (and colluding) with the worst people, the judge threw out the defamation lawsuit against Christopher Steele (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/christopher-steeles-victory-in-a-dc-court/568057/), the author of the famous Trumpâ€"Russia dossier.
First we kill all the lawyers ...
we dont need no FEMA camps. just put a fence around D.C. and call it the forbiden zone
Drumpf will never be impeached. His hold is too strong. Also the government is too corrupted and the Drumpf fan club is too stupid. The libertarians and others decide to wait it out for a new election that will never elect their third party candidates. Meanwhile the far left is still having a fit and their politicians are getting screwed by eachother. I woundn't be surprised if the party collapses on itself.
Let's see... Manafort goes down in flames (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265676), and Cohen implicates his former boss in a federal crime (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZFTUtbn1RU
Fuck popcorn, that deserves a martini.
Quote from: trdsf on August 22, 2018, 02:16:41 AM
Let's see... Manafort goes down in flames (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265676), and Cohen implicates his former boss in a federal crime (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45265546)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZFTUtbn1RU
Fuck popcorn, that deserves a martini.
The Trump is probably clutching at bricks trying to stay afloat. And we should all toss him a few in support... I have a cinder block I'll be glad to offer.
(https://i.redditmedia.com/f9iRY7EOZu-_9f48hMxmsjRo-I-tRy6M3MD6uP8V3yk.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=0b948ee5cd84d912fa83bb06b947a94a)
My favorites are the second and fourth ones.
#2 - "Sure, he plead guilty to arson and murder, but they didn't convict on the jaywalking charge! WITCH HUNT!"
#4 - Remember when Trump said that he'd surround himself with "the best people"? LOL
*edit - for #1 I think he got a little confused on what constitutes a crime. Senior moment. It happens. And the second sentence is a classic Trump whataboutism that you're just supposed to listen and believe.
The trouble with all this is that the more desperate Trump gets the more dangerous he'll be. What he'll do is anybody's guess, but it won't be good for America.
Because you're not likely to see this anywhere else, I want to post it here, just so y'all will know about it:
QuoteThe Trump administration unveiled their new environmental plans this week that would significantly roll back clean air protections that were put in place by President Obama. The EPA admits in their own assessments that their new plans will result in roughly 1,400 American deaths per year, but they seem fine with that if it helps the fossil fuel industry make a few more dollars each year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUX1FyAq0A
Yeah, these kind of life-and-death decisions are the things that should really doom this administration. Instead we're talking about Stormy Daniels and some pee-pee tape. :(
Also, whenever I hit the environmentalism gong, I always have to deal with blithering idiots who seem to think that making money and curbing pollution are mutually exclusive (asbestos - the perfect building material for the discerning real estate mogul) or envision the environment as if it were some sort of far-away, ultra-resistant thing that can take care of itself so we need not concern ourselves with it.
I've gotten really tired of having to basically say this:
(https://pics.me.me/why-would-you-want-to-save-the-environment-because-im-13690278.png)
Richard Nixon said "I am not a crook" - but he was a lying crook.
Why Trump Supporters Believe He Is Not Corrupt
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/what-trumps-supporters-think-of-corruption/568147/
... Trump’s supporters say they care about corruption. During the campaign, they cheered his vow to “drain the swamp†in Washington, D.C. When Morning Consult asked Americans in May 2016 to explain why they disliked Hillary Clinton, the second most common answer was that she was “corrupt.†And yet, Trump supporters appear largely unfazed by the mounting evidence that Trump is the least ethical president in modern American history. When asked last month whether they considered Trump corrupt, only 14 percent of Republicans said yes. Even Cohen’s allegation is unlikely to change that.
The answer may lie in how Trump and his supporters define corruption. In a forthcoming book titled How Fascism Works, the Yale philosophy professor Jason Stanley makes an intriguing claim. “Corruption, to the fascist politician,†he suggests, “is really about the corruption of purity rather than of the law. Officially, the fascist politician’s denunciations of corruption sound like a denunciation of political corruption. But such talk is intended to evoke corruption in the sense of the usurpation of the traditional order.â€
Fox’s decision to focus on the Iowa murder rather than Cohen’s guilty plea illustrates Stanley’s point. In the eyes of many Fox viewers, I suspect, the network isn’t ignoring corruption so much as highlighting the kind that really matters. When Trump instructed Cohen to pay off women with whom he’d had affairs, he may have been violating the law. But he was upholding traditional gender and class hierarchies. Since time immemorial, powerful men have been cheating on their wives and using their power to evade the consequences.
The Iowa murder, by contrast, signifies the inversionâ€"the corruptionâ€"of that “traditional order.†Throughout American history, few notions have been as sacrosanct as the belief that white women must be protected from nonwhite men. By allegedly murdering Tibbetts, Rivera did not merely violate the law. He did something more subversive: He violated America’s traditional racial and sexual norms.
Once you grasp that for Trump and many of his supporters, corruption means less the violation of law than the violation of established hierarchies, their behavior makes more sense. ...
Trump supporters don't mind that he lies and is corrupt because they consider him to be working in their best interests, doing bad deeds in pursuit of a greater good. "He may be a thug but he's our thug." I think the only way his supporters will turn against him is if he overtly betrays their values, such as advocating the use of federal funds to make abortion free and legal.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 22, 2018, 02:05:54 PM
Because you're not likely to see this anywhere else, I want to post it here, just so y'all will know about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUX1FyAq0A
Less dead than from Obama's foreign policy!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 22, 2018, 03:21:46 PM
Richard Nixon said "I am not a crook" - but he was a lying crook.
Our only honest politician?
Of course he is corrupt. People don't call it that if the corruption works in their favor though. Obama's corruption hurt me. He can burn in Hell. What Trump did in NYC real estate, 10 years ago, didn't.
Great, now Trump wants to have his own private army! Yeah, that's just what America and the world needs.
QuotePresident Donald Trump is increasingly venting frustration to his national security team about the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan and showing renewed interest in a proposal by Blackwater founder Erik Prince to privatize the war, current and former senior administration officials said.
Prince's idea, which first surfaced last year during the president's Afghanistan strategy review, envisions replacing troops with private military contractors who would work for a special U.S. envoy for the war who would report directly to the president...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGWwLZH77II
When war is profitable, war is perpetual.
Russians are falling from the sky the same way gringos were falling from the sky in The 3 Amigos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCJMjLRe15k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C61Yba072lA

Quote from: Unbeliever on August 22, 2018, 06:05:39 PM
Great, now Trump wants to have his own private army! Yeah, that's just what America and the world needs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGWwLZH77II
When war is profitable, war is perpetual.
Never heard of Blackwater ... which became Hillary's private army when she was Sec of State?
British History's Biggest Fibs With Lucy Worsley Episode 1; The Wars Of The Roses ... on Youtube ...
Will Trump be the next King Richard III, to be lied about for the next 500 years?
It's time for the republicans to dust off that playbook.
Impeach Clinton for lying about an affair, but ignore the lying about an affair that affected an election.
Surely they will stand up and support their principles.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 22, 2018, 02:05:54 PM
Because you're not likely to see this anywhere else, I want to post it here, just so y'all will know about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpUX1FyAq0A
THAT the Republicans' dirty little secret. While Trump is keeping the public's eyes on his nonsense, his administration is busy doing outrageous things to profit business at the expense of the environment, research, and public interest.
The seven stages of Trump Derangement Syndrome (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/the_seven_stages_of_trump_derangement_syndrome.html)
QuoteDonald Trump's election in 2016 upset the Washington, D.C. apple cart â€" bigly! Not only were his detractors, critics, and opponents adversely triggered by the stunning defeat of Hillary Clinton, but they continue to wallow miserably in the Seven Stages of Trump Derangement Syndrome. And unlike the seven stages of grief, the ill effected show no signs of recovery or acceptance.
There are no 'stages' involved in TDS.
It is a single step.
One needs to clear the initial hurdle... it's all hyperbole after that.
Quote from: ferdmonger on August 22, 2018, 10:15:40 PM
It's time for the republicans to dust off that playbook.
Impeach Clinton for lying about an affair, but ignore the lying about an affair that affected an election.
Surely they will stand up and support their principles.
I would have been happy if the Republicans had made the Clintons disappear. But they are too useful, as double agents.
Just like Republicans, Democrats have no principles .. other than winning by any means possible.
Quote from: pr126 on August 23, 2018, 12:29:46 AM
The seven stages of Trump Derangement Syndrome (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/the_seven_stages_of_trump_derangement_syndrome.html)
These Demotards post videos ... just like you do. Then complain about you. Yes, Obama was an alien Muslim from Planet Bro.
Quote from: ferdmonger on August 22, 2018, 10:15:40 PM
It's time for the republicans to dust off that playbook.
Impeach Clinton for lying about an affair, but ignore the lying about an affair that affected an election.
Surely they will stand up and support their principles.
They really don't care (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45274175). It's all about the hypocrisy.
Quote from: trdsf on August 23, 2018, 09:40:42 AM
They really don't care (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45274175). It's all about the hypocrisy.
You are intolerant of hypocrisy? That is dissing a protected D party voting group. You must turn in your SJW membership card now!
Quote from: pr126 on August 23, 2018, 12:29:46 AM
The seven stages of Trump Derangement Syndrome (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/08/the_seven_stages_of_trump_derangement_syndrome.html)
It's like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian. Even when reality is proving them explicitly wrong, they will just repeat over and over how right they are and passive-aggressively insist that it's everyone else who is delusional.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2018, 09:46:08 AM
It's like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian. Even when reality is proving them explicitly wrong, they will just repeat over and over how right they are and passive-aggressively insist that it's everyone else who is delusional.
Says the true believer in the Obama god and the Hillary god ;-)
Latest from the Bloviating Orange: Impeach me and everyone's going to be poor (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45285585). Oh, and even though Cohen's a dirty liar, what he pled guilty to isn't even really a crime. The Orange Disaster Area knows this because he watches TV. And without him and his brain in charge, the economy will completely fall apart.
The hell with impeachment, I'm thinking Amendment 25 Section 4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Vice_Presidential%E2%80%93Cabinet_declaration) again...
Oh, and regarding impeachment? Pretty much it's just Republicans talking about it (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-are-talking-about-impeachment-way-more-than-democrats/), usually to lie about Democrats planning to impeach the instant they have a majority. Meanwhile, Pelosi took impeachment off the table (again) (https://www.apnews.com/84e70fc19bc14b0a90526e9473c502d1/The-Latest:-Pelosi-says-impeachment-'not-a-priority), and the only Democrat running for Congress on an explicitly impeachment based platform lost their primary.
Methinks the GOP doth protest too much.
Well, the economy will crash with or without Trump, but I think it's his (Putin's) objective to make it crash such that it will never be a viable economy again.
Quote from: trdsf on August 23, 2018, 01:20:59 PM
The hell with impeachment, I'm thinking Amendment 25 Section 4
Methinks the GOP doth protest too much.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Vice_Presidential%E2%80%93Cabinet_declaration)
Do you think Trump actually thought about the 25th amendment enough to keep firing his cabinet to prevent them from voting him out? ... probably not.
I guess orange disaster will follow Agent Orange everywhere he goes except to the stomping grounds of is base
Now Trump's secretary of education wants to spend taxpayer money to supply guns to schools!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9jzbu95gHk
What a horrible bunch of goons we've got running our country.
Quote from: fencerider on August 23, 2018, 02:13:32 PM
Do you think Trump actually thought about the 25th amendment enough to keep firing his cabinet to prevent them from voting him out? ... probably not.
I guess orange disaster will follow Agent Orange everywhere he goes except to the stomping grounds of is base
I think he stopped reading amendments at Two.
Although I bet he's gonna get real familiar with Five if he has a smart lawyer.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 23, 2018, 01:38:18 PM
Well, the economy will crash with or without Trump, but I think it's his (Putin's) objective to make it crash such that it will never be a viable economy again.
Good. Then the Mexicans can make tacos out of all of you. Aztecs are proven to have done ritual cannibalism.
DeVos is the sister of Prince (Blackwater) right? The head of the private army the DNC loves.
How much better would America be if Hillary was in the White House as president.
One can dream...
Does being so hateful get as boring to be as it is to read?
Quote from: Shiranu on August 24, 2018, 03:21:53 AM
Does being so hateful get as boring to be as it is to read?
Don't be a hater, love Hitler (video burlesques).
(https://i.redd.it/nm0a8mhph0i11.jpg)
You can almost smell the fear and desperation.
Yeah, smells like bacon...
Yeah, we really need a traitorous president to have his own private army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Xr77ajOO4
Those rare earth elements are exactly the reason for the war in Afghanistan. If you thought it had something to do with 9/11 or bin Laden, you've been sold a bill of goods - and you bought it.
All the oil in Iraq, going to China, all the minerals in Afghanistan, going to China.
Maybe Trump will soon have a meltdown, like the Wicked Witch of the West!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GJcKuVGm8
Atheists are sociopaths like Goldilocks, or like the witch in the Gingerbread House?
Quote from: trdsf on August 23, 2018, 10:07:58 PM
I think he stopped reading amendments at Two.
Although I bet he's gonna get real familiar with Five if he has a smart lawyer.
I think all the skeletons are about to come out of the closet...
The president of the United States fucked up while coloring the flag for children.
I don't know if that is ground for impeachment, but it's stupid enough to warrant at least thinking about it.
Well, he's a sort of peachy color, so maybe he's already been impeached in the abstract, and all we have to do is make it real.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 25, 2018, 05:56:36 PM
Well, he's a sort of peachy color, so maybe he's already been impeached in the abstract, and all we have to do is make it real.
Michael Cohen's lawyer is Lanny Davis, a long time friend of Hillary Clinton. He was forced by the Papal Nuncio to retract some of his loud public claims he has made recently. He had to do two Hail Hillaries and donate $100 into the plate.
The Republicans were SO OUTRAGED by Bill Clinton getting a blow-job from a willing intern that they impeached him.
But the Republicans don't care that:
Trump admitted on tape that he sexually assaulted many women
Invaded dressing rooms at beauty pageants routinely
Engaged in racial housing discrimination
Has Mafia ties
Created a totally false university
Deliberately damaged apartments to drive tenants away
Declared bankruptcy 4 times are strictly a profit tactic
Hired undocumented workers to demolish a building, underpaid the workers, and didn't provide protective wear
Committed "marriage rape"
Broke New Jersey casino rules (and that takes some effort)
Violated anti-trust regulations
Falsified condo agreements and expectations
Routinely fails to pay workers and contractors (daring them to sue him)
Bought his own books to improve selling statistics
Hired undocumented women as models
Did business with Cuba when it was illegal
Lies about charity gifts
And that doesn't bother the Republicans...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 01:45:14 AM
The Republicans were SO OUTRAGED by Bill Clinton getting a blow-job from a willing intern that they impeached him.
The Republicans are outraged about EVERYTHING done by anyone not a Republican. Doesn't even matter if it's not even illegal or unethical. I'm still waiting for the hearings on Condie Rice's and Colin Powell's private email servers.
The only actual Trump Derangement Syndrome is the blind, slavering, deranged worship Trumpies have for the Orange Disaster Area. I mean, I'm a die-hard Democrat, but I'm perfectly willing
and capable of discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Clinton and Obama presidencies -- or Carter or Johnson or Kennedy or Truman or Roosevelt or however far back you care to go.
You can't get a Republican to ever admit the possibility that
any Republican president ever did
anything wrong, or that any Democratic president ever did anything right. Half the time, you can't even get them to admit to things that Republicans actually
did, no matter how much documentary evidence there is.
Personally, I refuse to engage with the delusional. As soon as a conversation starts with "Socialist cucks..." or the like, fuck 'em. That's not someone who wants to, or
can, have an actual exchange of ideas. Their brains are set in concrete.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 01:45:14 AM
And that doesn't bother the Republicans...
Nope, not in the least. Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the modern Republican. I can remember when one could still have a meaningful conversation with one. It really hasn't been possible for the most part since 1994 and the rise of Newt Gingrich and scorched-earth politicking. Evil Twin and I quit talking politics around 2000 (for the record, he was a McCain supporter, and it took me five years to get off McCain's mailing list because I bought him a campaign T-shirt as a birthday present) because we valued our friendship more than our politics. The only time we really talk politics anymore is when we *both* are bitching about Libertarians.
Quote from: trdsf on August 27, 2018, 02:42:54 AM
The Republicans are outraged about EVERYTHING done by anyone not a Republican. Doesn't even matter if it's not even illegal or unethical. I'm still waiting for the hearings on Condie Rice's and Colin Powell's private email servers.
The only actual Trump Derangement Syndrome is the blind, slavering, deranged worship Trumpies have for the Orange Disaster Area. I mean, I'm a die-hard Democrat, but I'm perfectly willing and capable of discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the Clinton and Obama presidencies -- or Carter or Johnson or Kennedy or Truman or Roosevelt or however far back you care to go.
You can't get a Republican to ever admit the possibility that any Republican president ever did anything wrong, or that any Democratic president ever did anything right. Half the time, you can't even get them to admit to things that Republicans actually did, no matter how much documentary evidence there is.
Personally, I refuse to engage with the delusional. As soon as a conversation starts with "Socialist cucks..." or the like, fuck 'em. That's not someone who wants to, or can, have an actual exchange of ideas. Their brains are set in concrete.
Nope, not in the least. Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the modern Republican. I can remember when one could still have a meaningful conversation with one. It really hasn't been possible for the most part since 1994 and the rise of Newt Gingrich and scorched-earth politicking. Evil Twin and I quit talking politics around 2000 (for the record, he was a McCain supporter, and it took me five years to get off McCain's mailing list because I bought him a campaign T-shirt as a birthday present) because we valued our friendship more than our politics. The only time we really talk politics anymore is when we *both* are bitching about Libertarians.
LIKE, LIKE, LIKE...
I think what most differentiates Democrats from Republicans is that Democrats don't support Democrat politicians who turn out to be scumbags and Republicans support their scumbags to the death.
And I am not surprised by that. I once had a carpool member who thought sports penalties were just a calculation of the game. That there was nothing wrong with breaking all the rules if the benefit was greater than the penalty. He considered rules just to be "things to be manipulated".
That is not a way that I can think. But Republicans, by evidence, do. It is both baffling and a cause for alarm and anger.
The scariest things in US populations to me are the people who support Trump in spite of all the values they profess to believe and yet easily ignore for this one person. Look at the Swift-Boat campaign against Kerry and attacks on Max Cleveland, yet support for Bush and Trump who evaded the draft as "warriors". Look at how they won't even acknowledge people like McCain as brave and heroic.
The hypocrisy sickens me. They are living in a world of not rational thought and happy in it.
Sorry, but people are psychopathic ... this shows up particularly in their political expression. Just like "Sneeches" with or without stars.
I can't decide if this one is funny or scary - maybe some of both:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hpyC1Zcl4Y&t=218s
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 27, 2018, 04:51:48 PM
I can't decide if this one is funny or scary - maybe some of both:
Actually, fundamentalists speak in tongues even when they don't think they are...
Fundamentalists, Pentacostals, Charismatics ... are all separate movements, mostly within Protestantism. But expect ignorance from atheists.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 04:57:21 PM
Actually, fundamentalists speak in tongues even when they don't think they are...
I well recall the one time I got talked into going to an evangelical service. I don't remember how I got talked into it, or why I said yes, but when they started speaking in tongues, I clearly remember thinking, "These people are
fucking insane." Glossolalia is fucking useless if it's not a real, in-use language. Otherwise it's just "Lama lambacthala lamasala rama rama khlamachta..." and
that's not a fucking language. That's gibberish. Speaking in tongues means using languages speakers of that language can understand, not blathering random syllables that the pastor can then claim means anything he wants them to mean.
Quote from: trdsf on August 28, 2018, 01:02:58 AM"Lama lambacthala lamasala rama rama khlamachta..."
By the hoary hosts of Hoggoth! A prophecy!
*dons weird hat and sacred undies*
I shall translate this prophecy with my ancient mayan runestones! ($5.99 each at Walmart)
Now to google translate it from mayan to aramaic to british english to actual english.
It says..."9 times 9 the sacred serpent will rise the indecipherable"
Clearly, it's talking about the Draco constellation (or the Athenian legislator of the same name) and a leader of 9 territories instituting a new world order. Huzzah! Or maybe sacred means unholy and 9 times 9 refers to the year in which an unholy leader will reign. Or the number of years of his/her reign. Or maybe September 9th. And indecipherable obviously means incredible/awe-inspiring. Duh.
Oh my IPU, is this really how religions get started? Nah, I'm probably doing something wrong. Ooh, better take a past historical event and then form-fit it to this prophecy. Can't be proven wrong when you never stick your neck out at all. Unfalsifiable is just a fancy way of saying incontestable.
Boom. Proof of divine presence right there. Take that, atheists!
Quote from: trdsf on August 28, 2018, 01:02:58 AM
I well recall the one time I got talked into going to an evangelical service. I don't remember how I got talked into it, or why I said yes, but when they started speaking in tongues, I clearly remember thinking, "These people are fucking insane." Glossolalia is fucking useless if it's not a real, in-use language. Otherwise it's just "Lama lambacthala lamasala rama rama khlamachta..." and that's not a fucking language. That's gibberish. Speaking in tongues means using languages speakers of that language can understand, not blathering random syllables that the pastor can then claim means anything he wants them to mean.
The Didache, from like the 1st century CE, says that if someone will speak in tongues .. then keep your mouth shut unless there is someone there to interpret. Old old problem.
Using scripture as a rune ... was practiced by rabbis in the 2nd century CE. All prophecy is after the fact, not before. Rubes will be rubes. The other folks were examining sheep entrails.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2018, 04:57:21 PM
Actually, fundamentalists speak in tongues even when they don't think they are...
Ever heard of bibliomancy? That's when you open your Bible at "random" and put your finger on a "random" verse, and that's God speaking directly to you. I've known people who actually do this, and believe it!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Ever heard of bibliomancy? That's when you open your Bible at "random" and put your finger on a "random" verse, and that's God speaking directly to you. I've know people who actually do this, and believe it!
That is what the rabbis did, except it wasn't a book, it was a scroll ... and there was no chapters, verses or punctuation.
You can also treat hebrew letters as numbers (the Greeks did the same). From that you do gematria.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-abe-pearl-harbor-remember-ripped-trade-1093230
Dammit, Trump. I was trying to just chill out a bit and make fun of fundies, but he's just gotta make a fool of himself to stay in the headlines. *sigh*
This is like some sh*t that some racist dotard would say, not some fit, young...he's how old? 72. Damn. Well, that explains that. I guess he really is a racist old fogey.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 28, 2018, 05:39:27 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-abe-pearl-harbor-remember-ripped-trade-1093230
Dammit, Trump. I was trying to just chill out a bit and make fun of fundies, but he's just gotta make a fool of himself to stay in the headlines. *sigh*
This is like some sh*t that some racist dotard would say, not some fit, young...he's how old? 72. Damn. Well, that explains that. I guess he really is a racist old fogey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No
"Not this good will you look when you are 900 years old" - Yoda
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 28, 2018, 05:39:27 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-abe-pearl-harbor-remember-ripped-trade-1093230
Dammit, Trump. I was trying to just chill out a bit and make fun of fundies, but he's just gotta make a fool of himself to stay in the headlines. *sigh*
This is like some sh*t that some racist dotard would say, not some fit, young...he's how old? 72. Damn. Well, that explains that. I guess he really is a racist old fogey.
Also... no, he fucking well
doesn't remember Pearl Harbor. His birthday is June 14, 1946. Pearl Harbor was attacked December 7, 1941. He doesn't remember
any part of World War II.
That's like me saying I remember the launch of Sputnik. Hint: I was born in 1963.
Quote from: trdsf on August 28, 2018, 11:29:30 PM
Also... no, he fucking well doesn't remember Pearl Harbor. His birthday is June 14, 1946. Pearl Harbor was attacked December 7, 1941. He doesn't remember any part of World War II.
That's like me saying I remember the launch of Sputnik. Hint: I was born in 1963.
Yeah, Astronaut Shepherd going up on the Redstone, then Astronaut Glenn going up on the Atlas. Don't remember Grissom though, in between.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/reports-trump-warned-evangelical-leaders-of-violence-from-democrats-if-republicans-lose-the-midterms/2018/08/28/4f397bb6-ab0a-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?utm_term=.81f95029c236
QuoteAt Monday’s dinner with the Christian leaders, Trump described the November election in dire terms.
“You’re one election away from losing everything that you’ve got,†he said, according to NBC News.
Yes, that would be very, very unfortunate. Thoughts and prayers.
Thoughts and prayers.
QuoteTrump also erroneously claimed Monday that he had done away with the Johnson Amendment, which he described to the evangelical leaders as a “disaster for you,†according to the NBC report.
The provision bars religious institutions and other tax-exempt organizations from endorsing political candidates.
Prelude to an attack on secularism?
Y'all love "signing statements" with Obama does them ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Amendment
Not sure what if anything Trump's nuance on this law has any practical effect. But rest assured, the Republicans will be shortly rounding up Gays and Democrats for Final Solution, right?
The SCOTUS already eroded some secularism while Obama was still in office.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 29, 2018, 12:05:12 PM
Thoughts and prayers. Thoughts and prayers.
My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who believes thoughts and prayers do anyone any good at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY4c2AZxV0k
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 29, 2018, 01:21:43 PM
My thoughts and prayers go out to anyone who believes thoughts and prayers do anyone any good at all.
How about ... hold your breath until you turn blue (state)?
Maxine is the genius fo the D-party ;-))
The bad guys always have an advantage over the good guys, because they don't mind breaking rules (or laws) in order to win - and the GOP must win at any cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWM2wOAwhdo&t=334s
Quote"President Trump warned evangelical leaders Monday night that Democrats “will overturn everything that we’ve done and they’ll do it quickly and violently†if Republicans lose control of Congress in the midterm elections.
Speaking to the group in the State Dining Room of the White House, Mr. Trump painted a stark picture of what losing the majority would mean for the administration’s conservative agenda, according to an audiotape of his remarks provided to The New York Times by someone who attended the event.
“They will end everything immediately,†Mr. Trump said. “When you look at antifa,†he added, a term that describes militant leftist groups, “and you look at some of these groups, these are violent people.â€
A White House spokesman, Hogan Gidley, declined to elaborate on what the president meant."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzsbWUsCayA
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 30, 2018, 02:01:14 PM
The bad guys always have an advantage over the good guys, because they don't mind breaking rules (or laws) in order to win - and the GOP must win at any cost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWM2wOAwhdo&t=334s
Democrats don't break rules? Bwahaha.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Ever heard of bibliomancy? That's when you open your Bible at "random" and put your finger on a "random" verse, and that's God speaking directly to you. I've known people who actually do this, and believe it!
Sounds like a Ouiji Board. I played people with that. A little peeking and you can get the moving thing anywhere you want. In fact, with practice, unpeeking memory can get the guide anywhere you want.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 01, 2018, 08:43:37 PM
Sounds like a Ouiji Board. I played people with that. A little peeking and you can get the moving thing anywhere you want. In fact, with practice, unpeeking memory can get the guide anywhere you want.
Ah, but that is cheating. You will come back as a que ball on a billiard table ;-)
I think that politics has replaced religion.
The same animosity and hatred between Democrats and Republicans that was between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland until they come to their senses.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
I think that politics has replaced religion.
The same animosity and hatred between Democrats and Republicans that was between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland until they come to their senses.
Don't hold your breath .. R and D are senseless.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
I think that politics has replaced religion.
The same animosity and hatred between Democrats and Republicans that was between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland until they come to their senses.
And just like in that situation, one side is actually pretty objectively in the right and one is pretty objectively in the wrong.
Also, if you think religion isn't a big part of America's hatred... well, once again you really need to learn more about American culture.
Quote from: pr126 on September 04, 2018, 01:22:44 PM
I think that politics has replaced religion.
The same animosity and hatred between Democrats and Republicans that was between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland until they come to their senses.
Advice from someone free of animosity? Or just as angry and for much, much stupider reasons?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 04, 2018, 01:39:56 PM
And just like in that situation, one side is actually pretty objectively in the right and one is pretty objectively in the wrong.
Also, if you think religion isn't a big part of America's hatred... well, once again you really need to learn more about American culture.
Exactly ... the Catholics should burn all the Protestants at the stake ;-)
Americans are very religious, and ideological. Even without religion, we would kill over ideology.
QuoteShortly after his first congressional campaign in 1988, radio station WRCR-FM in Rushville, Indiana hired Pence to host a weekly half-hour radio show, Washington Update with Mike Pence. In 1992, Pence began hosting a daily talk show on WRCR, The Mike Pence Show, in addition to a Saturday show on WNDE in Indianapolis.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you...the next president of the United States of America!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKO_IhgKKpQ
I'm sure Pence has been chomping at the bit just waiting for his chance to become the most powerful man in the world - and turn America into a Dominionist Christian theocracy.
Here's our Fearless Leader, meeting with sheriffs, getting from them a plaque:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuOkhbqbUs8
Jeez, it's getting hard to listen to this traitor!
Hopefully you will get theocrat Pence. And he will burn all the atheists (I don't want that). Beware of what you ask for.
Well, it ought to be an interesting day in the White House today (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)...
I am less disturbed by White House staffers taking it upon themselves to prevent an unstable President from issuing dangerous orders â€" Kissinger and Schlesinger did the same towards the end of the Nixon Administration, ordering the military command to verify with them any nuclear launch order, and when Nixon boarded the helicopter to take him away from the White House, the nuclear football did not go with him even though he would still be president for another two hours.
What I do find disturbing is their willingness to allow all the damage that the Orange Disaster Area is doing domestically and internationally, because he gives them cover to pursue their political goals, particularly the ones they know are unpopular and unwanted. I don’t care if they’ve prevented some of the damage: they’re still willing to let this unstable narcissist be (nominally) in control because they can get all their right wing madness implemented while everyone’s watching the lunatic rant.
That’s cowardly and dishonest. They know the man they’re trying to “contain†is a danger to the country, and rather than take the legal route â€" Section 4 of the 25th Amendment â€" they’re content to let the White House be a clown car rather than a limousine. Because their political and policy goals are more important to them than the well-being of the nation. The writer is no unsung hero, secretly protecting the nation from an out-of-control president. The writer is an anonymous coward, using the sideshow as a cover.
I find the timing interesting: no one's talking about Kavanaugh now, giving Senate Republicans an additional chance to shove through the nomination without anyone looking too closely.
The Orange Disaster Area, meanwhile, is throwing a screaming purple fit, calling it treason and demanding the Times hand over the name of the writer (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-anonymous-editorial.html).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Mh9KxdSzg&t=318s
TDSS strikes again.
Quote from: pr126 on September 06, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Mh9KxdSzg&t=318s
Coup de etat is all American. That is what the Constitutional convention under Washington and Franklin were doing ... ask Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson.
Mike Pence wants to be President badly, same as LBJ. Same as George H W Bush (see Reagan shooting). Or it could be a setup of Pence.
Democrats so desperate, they are even willing to support a R-person assassinating a R-President.
Quote from: pr126 on September 06, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Mh9KxdSzg&t=318s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Mh9KxdSzg&t=318s)
"Totally anonymous, hur hur funny how that works..."
Yes, tell me more about how you would publish an article about how your boss is a lunatic under your own name. It's kinda like those damn whistleblowers, always wanting to protect the anonymity and stuff to avoid retribution! What a bunch of cucks!
You keep on sharing this guy, and I have to admit I have only watched a few clips, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest tool in the rocket science.
I'm looking forward to Trump's meltdown over this. I wonder just how desperate he's becoming. His tweets should be fun to read for a change!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 06, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
I'm looking forward to Trump's meltdown over this. I wonder just how desperate he's becoming. His tweets should be fun to read for a change!
Without Trump you might not have any entertainment at all. Grousing is what the grouses here do best ;-)
Anonymous accusations ... just like a show trial in the old Soviet Union .. who would have thunk it?
A great many accusations actually come without anonymity ... maybe they are just stupid ...
Quote from: Shiranu on September 06, 2018, 01:36:41 PMYou keep on sharing this guy, and I have to admit I have only watched a few clips, but he doesn't seem to be the brightest tool in the rocket science.
PR probably doubles this guy's views.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 06, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
I'm looking forward to Trump's meltdown over this. I wonder just how desperate he's becoming. His tweets should be fun to read for a change!
Nothing interesting yet :(.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 06, 2018, 09:06:09 PM
Nothing interesting yet :(.
Oh, I don't know. As far as I can recall, this is the first time he's explicitly referred to reporting and opinion as "TREASON? (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037464177269514240)" rather than railing about "fake news", "lying reports" and other Trumpisms for "You bastard, how did you find that out?"
Now, treason is a crime defined in the Constitution and not a word to be thrown about lightly, since it is also a capital crime. So I think it does represent a raising of the stakes in his ongoing war with the media. And his most committed followers are listening (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45361667). I fear it’s only a matter of time â€" and not very much time â€" before there’s real violence by his wanna-be brownshirts. I fear there will be a shooting or bombing at a polling place this November, or a Democratic campaign rally this fall, or an attack on a newspaper or television station.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 06, 2018, 03:16:46 PM
I'm looking forward to Trump's meltdown over this. I wonder just how desperate he's becoming. His tweets should be fun to read for a change!
Remember when we used to look to the Presidency for leadership?
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 07, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Remember when we used to look to the Presidency for leadership?
JFK was a demi-god, when I was little. Then the CIA/FBI killed him. Damn atheists ;-)
Sorry, I have seen no leadership since JFK. Wonder why?
Quote from: trdsf on September 07, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
Oh, I don't know. As far as I can recall, this is the first time he's explicitly referred to reporting and opinion as "TREASON? (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037464177269514240)" rather than railing about "fake news", "lying reports" and other Trumpisms for "You bastard, how did you find that out?"
Now, treason is a crime defined in the Constitution and not a word to be thrown about lightly, since it is also a capital crime. So I think it does represent a raising of the stakes in his ongoing war with the media. And his most committed followers are listening (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45361667). I fear it’s only a matter of time â€" and not very much time â€" before there’s real violence by his wanna-be brownshirts. I fear there will be a shooting or bombing at a polling place this November, or a Democratic campaign rally this fall, or an attack on a newspaper or television station.
So, leakers and fifth-columnists are good then? Next Democrat President should have lots of fun. Or did that already happen? Why was Obama so impotent?
Quote from: trdsf on September 07, 2018, 09:09:39 AM
Oh, I don't know. As far as I can recall, this is the first time he's explicitly referred to reporting and opinion as "TREASON? (https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037464177269514240)" rather than railing about "fake news", "lying reports" and other Trumpisms for "You bastard, how did you find that out?"
Now, treason is a crime defined in the Constitution and not a word to be thrown about lightly, since it is also a capital crime. So I think it does represent a raising of the stakes in his ongoing war with the media. And his most committed followers are listening (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45361667). I fear it’s only a matter of time â€" and not very much time â€" before there’s real violence by his wanna-be brownshirts. I fear there will be a shooting or bombing at a polling place this November, or a Democratic campaign rally this fall, or an attack on a newspaper or television station.
Yeah, so far they've just been
muddying the water, but soon I'm afraid they'll start
bloodying the water...
What can the courts do if Trump just ignores their decisions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kal1sFQi5bA
“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.†Andrew Jackson
Remembering the Time Andrew Jackson Decided to Ignore the Supreme Court In the Name of Georgia’s Right to Cherokee Land (https://sustainatlanta.com/2015/04/02/remembering-the-time-andrew-jackson-decided-to-ignore-the-supreme-court-in-the-name-of-georgias-right-to-cherokee-land/)
One other thing about this anonymous op-ed bothers me: the writer had to know that the Disaster-in-Chief would blow a gasket over it and make their self-proclaimed "resistance" even harder to carry out. It's self-defeating at a minimum. Most likely it's going to make an out-of-control, paranoid man even more out-of-control and paranoid, and make trying to mitigate the damage he's doing even more difficult.
Part of me wonders if this is something put out by a loyalist who's seeing the Orange Disaster Area undermined by his own staff and knows this is going to make that more difficult. I wonder if there are any Bannon/Breitbart people remaining in the White House -- this would not only strengthen their hand by making it harder to interfere with their extremist agenda, but it's just the sort of false flag operation I think they're capable of.
The other part wonders if the writer is deliberately trying to push the Orange One over the edge entirely and force the Cabinet's hand with regard to Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.
Hell, we may never know what's really going on. I've wondered whether Trump's people didn't put this out to give him an excuse for a general purge of WH staff, so he could hire people more loyal to him. It's just about impossible to second-guess these masters of manipulation.
Quote from: trdsf on September 07, 2018, 03:45:30 PMPart of me wonders if this is something put out by a loyalist who's seeing the Orange Disaster Area undermined by his own staff and knows this is going to make that more difficult. I wonder if there are any Bannon/Breitbart people remaining in the White House -- this would not only strengthen their hand by making it harder to interfere with their extremist agenda, but it's just the sort of false flag operation I think they're capable of.
The other part wonders if the writer is deliberately trying to push the Orange One over the edge entirely and force the Cabinet's hand with regard to Section 4 of the 25th Amendment.
The whole thing reminds me a lot of Town of Salem (a Mafia-style game where there are two factions, each person's true allegiance is hidden to others, and they set up executions each day, usually with members of one group working together to systematically eliminate all members of the other group)
Come to think of it, the Trump administration has as much ex-members as any of Town of Salem, as well as a penchant for purging their ranks in a sort of faction warfare.
I'm deeply troubled by how well this analogy fits.
I'm sure glad other people watch FOX News, so I don't have to:
Sean Hannity Guest Claims Donald Trump Is the ‘Most Sound-Minded’ President Everâ€"And Science Proves It (https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-trump-sound-minded-1109227)
I'm sure Trump's fan-base believes this with all their pea-pickin' little hearts.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 07, 2018, 01:34:20 PM
Yeah, so far they've just been muddying the water, but soon I'm afraid they'll start bloodying the water...
Blood is good. Then we can see if Ds are real people or zombies ;-) Oh, it is your people, Antifa ... who took first blood already. Payed by Soros.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 07, 2018, 09:54:15 AM
Remember when we used to look to the Presidency for leadership?
Yeah, like when Obama was President. Srsly
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 07, 2018, 03:18:44 PM
What can the courts do if Trump just ignores their decisions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kal1sFQi5bA
“John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.†Andrew Jackson
Remembering the Time Andrew Jackson Decided to Ignore the Supreme Court In the Name of Georgia’s Right to Cherokee Land (https://sustainatlanta.com/2015/04/02/remembering-the-time-andrew-jackson-decided-to-ignore-the-supreme-court-in-the-name-of-georgias-right-to-cherokee-land/)
I remember reading that quote in history classes. Today, it would take a DC police action if the White House security team resisted. Maybe Army. A more interesting question is whether the Cabinet and/or staff would push him out the front door...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 03:31:01 AM
Yeah, like when Obama was President. Srsly
He was a great disappointment. And then he has behaved badly after leaving office. I know Africans and African-Americans at work, that I respect more.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 03:35:28 AM
I remember reading that quote in history classes. Today, it would take a DC police action if the White House security team resisted. Maybe Army. A more interesting question is whether the Cabinet and/or staff would push him out the front door...
This did happen in S Korea a couple years ago. Also Japan actually jailed one of their PM's back in the 70s ... something we didn't do with Nixon. The Asians are clearly more intelligent than we are ;-)
In response to the earlier convo about the leaks...
Obama recently said this in one of his rallies, and it's spot on... it doesn't really matter if the leaks are true or not, because it's them patting themselves on the back for putting bandaids on a gaping wound, while still encouraging the guy widening the wound to keep doing what he is doing.
Quote“These people aren’t elected, they aren’t accountable, they’re not doing us a service by actively promoting 90 percent of the crazy stuff that’s coming out of this White House and then saying, ‘don’t worry, we’re preventing the other 10 percent.’â€
Quote from: Shiranu on September 08, 2018, 02:15:06 PM
In response to the earlier convo about the leaks...
Obama recently said this in one of his rallies, and it's spot on... it doesn't really matter if the leaks are true or not, because it's them patting themselves on the back for putting bandaids on a gaping wound, while still encouraging the guy widening the wound to keep doing what he is doing.
No win situation. Both parties should be completely discredited. I welcome our Chinese overlords.
Maybe alien invasion wouldn't be such a bad thing...
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 02:47:28 PM
Maybe alien invasion wouldn't be such a bad thing...
Do you mean Mexicans or Martians? And "yes" is not an answer, LOL!
Well, if "Martians" invaded they'd be illegal, too, but it's hard to build a wall to keep them out, much less get them to pay for it! ;-P
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 02:58:07 PM
Well, if "Martians" invaded they'd be illegal, too, but it's hard to build a wall to keep them out, much less get them to pay for it! ;-P
Question. If you come straight down into a country from outer space, have you really illegally crossed a border?
Better minds than mine would be needed to answer that! ;-P
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 03:04:01 PM
Better minds than mine would be needed to answer that! ;-P
Alien lawyers can never be illegal aliens ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 03:04:01 PM
Better minds than mine would be needed to answer that! ;-P
*I* know, let's ask Trump!
I hope all those Trump fans who helped put this traitor in office are happy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qr0wBwN4PU
No, I don't hope they're happy, I hope they're miserable and hate themselves.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
I hope all those Trump fans who helped put this traitor in office are happy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qr0wBwN4PU
No, I don't hope they're happy, I hope they're miserable and hate themselves.
On a side note her boobs are amazing
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 02:21:30 PM
I hope all those Trump fans who helped put this traitor in office are happy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qr0wBwN4PU
No, I don't hope they're happy, I hope they're miserable and hate themselves.
You had me worried for a moment. *I* hope they are throw themselves off a dam. But, then, they would probably throw themselves on the wet side...
Trump bragged about having the tallest building in lower Manhattan after the towers fell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct97ljiUlVk
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 03:32:45 PM
Trump bragged about having the tallest building in lower Manhattan after the towers fell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct97ljiUlVk
Well did he? He might or might not have.
Oh, he bragged, Well, duh, that's what he does. Bet he didn't even know. And of course, it doesn't matter to anyone but him.
But I couldn't find out...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 03:00:01 PM
Question. If you come straight down into a country from outer space, have you really illegally crossed a border?
Prefacing it with the obligatory I Am Not A Lawyer... no, probably not. National borders do not extend upwards indefinitely, otherwise orbiting a satellite would be a nightmare of diplomatic negotiations. I think the rule of thumb is that aircraft are subject to national boundaries, but spacecraft are not. It's probably tucked away somewhere in the Outer Space Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty).
As a side note, there is a body of opinion that Eisenhower had received intelligence that the Soviets were about to launch Sputnik I, and rather than accelerate the Explorer program to try to beat them to it, he let the Soviets launch first to get a precedent for unrestricted orbital overflight. After all, once the Russians had orbited Sputnik I and II before Explorer I launched, they couldn't complain about American satellites passing over their territory when there had been no objection from the Americans for Soviet satellites overflying theirs.
Quote from: trdsf on September 12, 2018, 03:40:52 PM
Prefacing it with the obligatory I Am Not A Lawyer... no, probably not. National borders do not extend upwards indefinitely, otherwise orbiting a satellite would be a nightmare of diplomatic negotiations. I think the rule of thumb is that aircraft are subject to national boundaries, but spacecraft are not. It's probably tucked away somewhere in the Outer Space Treaty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty).
As a side note, there is a body of opinion that Eisenhower had received intelligence that the Soviets were about to launch Sputnik I, and rather than accelerate the Explorer program to try to beat them to it, he let the Soviets launch first to get a precedent for unrestricted orbital overflight. After all, once the Russians had orbited Sputnik I and II before Explorer I launched, they couldn't complain about American satellites passing over their territory when there had been no objection from the Americans for Soviet satellites overflying theirs.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised. Politic thinking at the top level is beyond me. And beyond Eisenhower too, maybe. But a staff member might have thought of it that way.
I think the Putin/Trump agenda is the destruction of the economies of the West, with "America first" then Europe. Trump wants to punish the Western banks that stopped loaning him money and reward the Russian banks that did loan him money.
Quote“The federal deficit hit $895 billion in the first 11 months of fiscal 2018, an increase of $222 billion, or 32 percent, over the same period the previous year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).
The nonpartisan CBO reported that the central drivers of the increasing deficit were the Republican tax law and the bipartisan agreement to increase spending. As a result, revenue only rose 1 percent, failing to keep up with a 7 percent surge in spending, it added.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k7lIy_qSeQ
Quote“Voters haven't embraced the tax overhaul President Donald Trump signed late last year, but one of the main architects of the bill still thinks Democrats made an error in pledging to revisit the law.
"They are running on it and it's a huge mistake because no one wants to go back to the bad old days when the economy was flat, paychecks were flat," Rep. Kevin Brady, a Texas Republican, said in an interview that aired Friday morning on CNBC. He chairs the House Ways and Means Committee, the chamber's tax writing panel.
Republicans have tried to put tax reform back to the forefront in recent days, about two months ahead of midterm elections when they will try to stop Democrats from taking a House majority. Later this month, the House GOP aims to pass a bill that would make individual tax cuts approved last year permanent and would ease rules around retirement accounts, among other proposals.
The tax law, the GOP's signature achievement of this Congress, has failed to catch on with voters the way Republicans hoped. About 37 percent of registered voters approve of the platform, versus roughly 42 percent who disapprove, according to a RealClearPolitics average of polls. Consequently, Republican candidates have not used it heavily in ads across the country, despite the insistence from House Speaker Paul Ryan and other GOP leaders that the measure is working.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HplNzGvfYnU
Just more wealth care for the people who
really matter to the GOP.
Remember the days when Trump's handling of Puerto Rico was a "big" issue?
God, the simple times. But at least we can relive those memories...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQDbEDCFG1w
Trump is saying that his handling of Puerto Rico was an absolute success (right after the death toll got bumped up by several thousand, with the majority of those coming from lack of aid to the island in the months following) as well as moving $10,000,000 from hurricane response and relief programs to move to ICE detention centres.
Fucking. Psychopath. If you haven't seen his remarks about 9/11 as well... give them a look. Literally right after 9/11, his first thought was, "Huh, I have the biggest building in Manhattan again! Cool!".
Wait until censorship goes full on in the US, with Republicans in charge. Not so good for you or me.
I think the Putin/Trump agenda is the destruction of the economies of the West, with "America first" then Europe. Trump wants to punish the Western banks that stopped loaning him money and reward the Russian banks that did loan him money.
Succinctly stated and quite possibly true.
Trump never saw any of these investigations coming to fruition, and we can only hope Mueller sees them through.
Quote from: ferdmonger on September 12, 2018, 09:37:30 PM
I think the Putin/Trump agenda is the destruction of the economies of the West, with "America first" then Europe. Trump wants to punish the Western banks that stopped loaning him money and reward the Russian banks that did loan him money.
Succinctly stated and quite possibly true.
Trump never saw any of these investigations coming to fruition, and we can only hope Mueller sees them through.
Mueller works for Satan, same as the rest of them.
I did not know that. Thanks.
3000 dead in Puerto Rico. --> Trump: A tremendous unsung success!
3000 dead on 9/11. --> Trump: Yeah! Now I have the tallest building in downtown Manhattan!
Dude is just a straight-up psychopath.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 14, 2018, 03:58:22 AM
3000 dead in Puerto Rico. --> Trump: A tremendous unsung success!
3000 dead on 9/11. --> Trump: Yeah! Now I have the tallest building in downtown Manhattan!
Dude is just a straight-up psychopath.
Most Americans are, that is why they voted for two psychopaths. Could have had Gary Johnson, but no ...
Yes, too bad Trump is trying to equal Shrub's record on Katrina. Too bad Republicans control the weather ... so you can blame them for that.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 14, 2018, 03:58:22 AM
3000 dead on 9/11. --> Trump: Yeah! Now I have the tallest building in downtown Manhattan!
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-bragged-tallest-building/
According to this, whether he "bragged" or not is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, he was definitely bragging.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 14, 2018, 05:53:52 PM
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-bragged-tallest-building/
According to this, whether he "bragged" or not is a matter of opinion. In my opinion, he was definitely bragging.
I'll even give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he wasn't bragging... why the fuck would you still bring up your building is now the tallest?
At the absolute least it was a horrible train of thought to say out loud, even if he didn't mean it in the most remotely braggadocio of ways. But you also have to remember he is Trump, who bragged about how "unsung, amazing" his handling of Puerto Rico (that left nearly 3000 people dead) was.
So yeah, he was bragging.
Yeah, according to Trump those 3000 people did not die - it was the Democrats who inflated the number just to make him look bad.
As if he needs anyone other than himself to make him look bad...
Quote from: Shiranu on September 14, 2018, 06:03:24 PM
I'll even give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he wasn't bragging... why the fuck would you still bring up your building is now the tallest?
At the absolute least it was a horrible train of thought to say out loud, even if he didn't mean it in the most remotely braggadocio of ways. But you also have to remember he is Trump, who bragged about how "unsung, amazing" his handling of Puerto Rico (that left nearly 3000 people dead) was.
So yeah, he was bragging.
Some of us don't like stereotypical New Yorkers. Cavebear has definitely turned me off on New England folk.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 14, 2018, 06:03:24 PM
I'll even give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he wasn't bragging... why the fuck would you still bring up your building is now the tallest?
At the absolute least it was a horrible train of thought to say out loud, even if he didn't mean it in the most remotely braggadocio of ways. But you also have to remember he is Trump, who bragged about how "unsung, amazing" his handling of Puerto Rico (that left nearly 3000 people dead) was.
So yeah, he was bragging.
What condition did Obama leave FEMA in? Consider that also.
"The hurricane caused close to $62 billion in damage in the United States and at least $315 million in the Caribbean. Hurricane Sandy is the nation's most expensive storm since Hurricane Katrina, which caused $128 billion in damage. New York was most severely impacted due to damage to subways and roadway tunnels."
So is Obama personally responsible for not doing more to minimize the damage caused by Sandy? After all ... Shrub is personally responsible for Katrina. Darn those HAARP folks!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 12, 2018, 08:01:14 PM
I think the Putin/Trump agenda is the destruction of the economies of the West, with "America first" then Europe. Trump wants to punish the Western banks that stopped loaning him money and reward the Russian banks that did loan him money.
That is entirely possible, though not proven. But my bet is that Trump is a bit vengeful. He does seem to focus on "those who did him wrong" in his mind.
Well, allow me to expand on that idea. Trump is likely to be proven eventually to either be in the pocket of the Russians OR gladly willing to go along with them in their desires because he like authoritarian leaders. Neither is in the service of the US.
That does not bother Trump. Democracy, and the defense of democracy, is not his goal. His goal is power, wealth, and control. If enough people understand that in 7 weeks from now, his ability to control (but not his ability to destroy) will be diminished and history will conclude that the American People narrowly escaped a dictator. But his ability to destroy will still be functional.
We will need to deal with that after the mid-term elections. No one who is as basically insane as Trump can be allowed to continue to damage our international relationships and our internal politics for long.
Politicians are rarely charitable. Evidence? Nixon.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2018, 11:40:50 PM
That is entirely possible, though not proven. But my bet is that Trump is a bit vengeful. He does seem to focus on "those who did him wrong" in his mind.
Well, allow me to expand on that idea. Trump is likely to be proven eventually to either be in the pocket of the Russians OR gladly willing to go along with them in their desires because he like authoritarian leaders. Neither is in the service of the US.
That does not bother Trump. Democracy, and the defense of democracy, is not his goal. His goal is power, wealth, and control. If enough people understand that in 7 weeks from now, his ability to control (but not his ability to destroy) will be diminished and history will conclude that the American People narrowly escaped a dictator. But his ability to destroy will still be functional.
We will need to deal with that after the mid-term elections. No one who is as basically insane as Trump can be allowed to continue to damage our international relationships and our internal politics for long.
And the more desperate he becomes, the more dangerous he'll be, to both the U.S.A and the world. And all I can do is watch helplessly, like someone who knows a huge meteor is heading straight for the planet, but can do nothing to stop it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 15, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
And the more desperate he becomes, the more dangerous he'll be, to both the U.S.A and the world. And all I can do is watch helplessly, like someone who knows a huge meteor is heading straight for the planet, but can do nothing to stop it.
I keep thinking "November 6th, November 6th, November 6th"...
Failing that, Mueller...
Failing that "Jurrasic Park Attacks The White House"?
Even after November the new term won't start until January, and after that he'll still have lots of time in the office to destroy stuff, since, even if the Dems win both the House and Senate, it'll take a long time to actually get him out.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 15, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
Even after November the new term won't start until January, and after that he'll still have lots of time in the office to destroy stuff, since, even if the Dems win both the House and Senate, it'll take a long time to actually get him out.
Yes, of course, November 6th is just the start. But I expect that some Repubs will grow a spine if they survive "The Blue Wave"...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 02:37:27 PM
I keep thinking "November 6th, November 6th, November 6th"...
Failing that, Mueller...
Failing that "Jurrasic Park Attacks The White House"?
That last remark ... could happen. Velociraptors, like sharks, will grant lawyers (most politicians) professional courtesies ;-) Trump not being a lawyer, will get eaten. Obama not.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 15, 2018, 03:00:08 PM
Even after November the new term won't start until January, and after that he'll still have lots of time in the office to destroy stuff, since, even if the Dems win both the House and Senate, it'll take a long time to actually get him out.
Burn the whole thing down. I am counting Putin and Xi to end this ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f64F6BcHsY
Will being impeached actually help Trump in 2020? Only if he remains in office:
QuoteAccording to new reports, Donald Trump is reportedly telling those closest to him that getting impeached may actually help his chances of winning reelection in 2020. Obviously the President doesn’t understand what kind of trouble he could actually be in if calls for impeachment continue to grow louder because he’s ignoring the fact that he’d likely be ineligible to run for President again if it happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zRfyr5v4Q
Quote from: Cavebear on September 15, 2018, 03:02:58 PM
Yes, of course, November 6th is just the start. But I expect that some Repubs will grow a spine if they survive "The Blue Wave"...
I don't. They'll just feel emboldened if they survive it. The only way to break them is to crush them electorally. It's like the idiot who just barely won the 12th district special election last month -- he had a lead of 1500 votes (in a district designed to be a safe R seat) with about 8500 absentee and provisional ballots outstanding, and he kept demanding the Democratic candidate concede. Which command of mathematics explains why Republicans seem to think that they can cut taxes on everyone except the people who need tax relief, spend like no tomorrow on the military, and balance the budget.
At the very least, a 'tax and spend' Democrat has the decency to go about raising the money
before spending it, as opposed to a 'borrow and mortgage my children and grandchildren for my own personal gain' Republican.
Mostly true. But no Republican has been serious about balancing any budget since at least Reagan. And the "Republican" Bill Clinton came closest to balancing the budget.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 15, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
Will being impeached actually help Trump in 2020? Only if he remains in office:
Quote
According to new reports, Donald Trump is reportedly telling those closest to him that getting impeached may actually help his chances of winning reelection in 2020. Obviously the President doesn’t understand what kind of trouble he could actually be in if calls for impeachment continue to grow louder because he’s ignoring the fact that he’d likely be ineligible to run for President again if it happens
That's an interesting question. The Constitution doesn't explicitly bar an impeached and convicted President from running and getting elected again, although the Senate may add a ban on future federal-level service if they convict. When District Court Judge Alcee Hastings was convicted by the Senate in 1989, they didn't bar him from future Federal office, and four years later Hastings was elected to Congress, where he still serves today.
'Nother little object lesson here â€" Hastings, a Democrat, was impeached by a Democratic-controlled House (by a vote of 413-3) and convicted by a Democratic-controlled Senate on eight of eleven charges they voted on (a further six were dispensed with as being unnecessary as Hastings had already been convicted).
Republicans, on the other hand, simply don't care what crimes their fellow Republicans commit â€" one cannot with any honesty claim that
any Democratic President who had done a tenth of the things the Orange Disaster Area has wouldn't already be the subject of an impeachment investigation, and probably already impeached in the House and sent on to the Senate for action.
So that is why the D party didn't impeach LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama? They are all guilty of war crimes. Though Carter is only guilty of being afraid of rabbits.
At least one Republican won't put up with the BS coming out of the Republican party anymore:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-donor-les-wexner-announces-departure-from-republican-party-after-obama-visit_us_5b9d455ae4b046313fbbbdf1
QuoteOhio billionaire and longtime Republican donor Les Wexner says he is officially done with the party, and was prompted to leave after former President Barack Obama visited the state.
Wexner, the CEO of retail conglomerate L Brands, which owns Victoria’s Secret and Bath & Body Works, announced at a leadership summit in Columbus on Thursday that he “won’t support this nonsense in the Republican Party†anymore,
I really hope this will set a long-term trend.
Chris Hedges is someone I think worth listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPk9HSLagVg
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 16, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
At least one Republican won't put up with the BS coming out of the Republican party anymore:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-donor-les-wexner-announces-departure-from-republican-party-after-obama-visit_us_5b9d455ae4b046313fbbbdf1
I really hope this will set a long-term trend.
That tremor your seismographs just picked up was my jaw hitting the floor. Lex... er Les Luthor... dammit! Wexner has bailed on the Repubs? Wow. Just... wow.
Mr Hedges ... don't hedge your bets? Financially, the craziness can continue longer than you can protect your assets. Te financial craziness is driven by the political craziness.
Burn down the American empire? Well ... only a true pyro would burn down his own house, while he was still in it.
Quote from: trdsf on September 16, 2018, 08:27:46 PM
That tremor your seismographs just picked up was my jaw hitting the floor. Lex... er Les Luthor... dammit! Wexner has bailed on the Repubs? Wow. Just... wow.
Every week, there seem to be more and more Republicans leaving the party and/or abandoning Trump. I consider this a decent action of the "better" people understanding the inanity and craziness of the Trumpians.
Nixon was forced to resign due to factual crimes. Trumpians will be charged one at a time for sheer meanness, corruption, and idiocy.
Why feel reassured by Mike Pence supporters? With him as President, everyone here will be in a FEMA camp, run by Christians.
Yeah we can't win, even if we win. Damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 01:50:53 PM
Yeah we can't win, even if we win. Damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
Well, technically, we are not "damned" either way. And neither are Christians, for that matter. They just don't wake up after death and realize it. We atheists, on the other hand realize that we are not damned BEFORE we die.
Well, then, let's just say we're screwed either way. I've been expecting the rise of powerful theocrats for a while, and soon they'll be coming into their own.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Well, then, let's just say we're screwed either way. I've been expecting the rise of powerful theocrats for a while, and soon they'll be coming into their own.
Not in the US. The theists are mostly old and dying off. TROTW is another problem though. Poverty creates stupidity and stupidity creates religion.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 01:50:53 PM
Yeah we can't win, even if we win. Damned if we do, and damned if we don't.
Proof of G-d if I ever read one ;-))
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2018, 02:57:15 PM
Well, then, let's just say we're screwed either way. I've been expecting the rise of powerful theocrats for a while, and soon they'll be coming into their own.
They've actually been here for awhile.
Swaggart, Falwell, Robertson, and the new breed like Olsteen.
Different guys that need money.
Quote from: ferdmonger on September 22, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
They've actually been here for awhile.
Swaggart, Falwell, Robertson, and the new breed like Olsteen.
Different guys that need money.
Billy Graham was the first successful one. And the Bakkers.
Quote from: ferdmonger on September 22, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
They've actually been here for awhile.
Swaggart, Falwell, Robertson, and the new breed like Olsteen.
Different guys that need money.
They are less socially and politically important than they used to be.
(https://imgur.com/a/e43KhMI)
They are less socially and politically important than they used to be.
Thank god! (Giant smiley unattached.)
Quote from: ferdmonger on September 26, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
They are less socially and politically important than they used to be.
Thank god! (Giant smiley unattached.)
Waves come and waves go. Both the anti-religious and the religious ignore history.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2018, 02:50:00 AM
Waves come and waves go. Both the anti-religious and the religious ignore history.
I am not religious, nor am I anti-god. One can't be anti-god if you don't think one exists.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 12:10:00 AM
I am not religious, nor am I anti-god. One can't be anti-god if you don't think one exists.
I am not anti-Democrat, since none exist. Same with Republicans. No true Americans.
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 02:20:49 AM
I am not anti-Democrat, since none exist. Same with Republicans. No true Americans.
There is evidence that both Democrats and Republicans exist. And one might say that there are "Americans". Variously indigineous, invading, and imported.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 07:15:41 AM
There is evidence that both Democrats and Republicans exist. And one might say that there are "Americans". Variously indigineous, invading, and imported.
Fictions like Adam and Eve. I thought you didn't support fictions ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2018, 01:07:22 PM
Fictions like Adam and Eve. I thought you didn't support fictions ;-)
I think YOU exist. That is close enough to fiction.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 27, 2018, 01:30:33 PM
I think YOU exist. That is close enough to fiction.
You are wrong. Neither of us exist, here, on this forum. Just digital data which is neither alive nor conscious.
QuoteDr. Justin Frank, Pschoanalyst and author puts Donald Trump on Sigmund Freud's couch on the Thom Hartmann Program, what is the 45th President's major malfunction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbc7EaKKyU
Yes ... psychological analysis will probably find a narcissistic psychopath. Typical of politicians and media stars. So?
There is an old saying ... anyone who actually wants to be Pope, is unfit for that office.
QuotePresident Donald Trump spoke at the United Nations against the dangers of socialism, which he believes will lead to increased and unjustified policing, power centralized into the hands of a few people and poverty for the many.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48xxCLynWu4
Typical Republican policy. But I thought real Republicans hate Trump?
Who the hell says things like this!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we0awE-rnL4
I'd love to read those love letters! I bet they're hot!
Bang on political cartoon about Trump's SC nominee and the GOP's response...
(http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/media/photologue/photos/cache/CH-MacKinnon-09_29_2018_original.jpg)
Kim vs Trump ... yes, probably they recognize a fellow narcissist.
Yes, Per D party ... never let any R ever appoint anyone to any judgeship etc again ... really?
Were you at those parties the Kavanaugh went to at that exclusive prep school?
For me, I can never vote for any D candidate again, not even Obama. Too much psychopathy among their gross leadership. Like Maxine Waters.
I want every D party official accused of visiting Comet Pizza ... and mobbed by the peasants with torches and pitchforks? No need for a trial, you know they are Satanic.
The above posts are amazing. Trump is a child, he needs control, he fights order, etc. And this is the person the minority elected and REJOICE in? It says more about his supporters tan hin, but he does seem to be psychologigally damaged...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 05:36:40 AM
The above posts are amazing. Trump is a child, he needs control, he fights order, etc. And this is the person the minority elected and REJOICE in? It says more about his supporters tan hin, but he does seem to be psychologigally damaged...
Everyone is psychologically damaged. The fight is over victimization ... get with the program.
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 06:27:24 AM
Everyone is psychologically damaged. The fight is over victimization ... get with the program.
Speak for yourself, Horatio. Not all who live are damaged.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 07:18:39 AM
Speak for yourself, Horatio. Not all who live are damaged.
So ... not a true Democrat then.
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 12:32:53 PM
So ... not a true Democrat then.
Never was. Not a party member. But given the 2 choices, I end up voting for Democrats by default. Given threats to freedom via anarchy (everyone for themself) and theocracy on the R side and greater taxes to support infrastructure D etc. I 'd rather "pay than pray"...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 12:38:45 PM
Never was. Not a party member. But given the 2 choices, I end up voting for Democrats by default. Given threats to freedom via anarchy (everyone for themself) and theocracy on the R side and greater taxes to support infrastructure D etc. I 'd rather "pay than pray"...
Like I said ... centrist.
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2018, 12:55:06 PM
Like I said ... centrist.
On a scale of 0-100 with Marx on the 100, i'm probably 60. You are probably 35 and PR is probably 20. In actuality, I'm more a Teddy Roosevelt Progressive. I think you are more a Franklin Pierce type.
QuoteAccording to a new report from the Trump administration, the planet is absolutely headed for a 7 degree temperature increase by the year 2100. But rather than using that as a flashpoint to spark change, they are using it as an excuse to say that we should go ahead and reduce fuel standards since there’s nothing we can do to stop the inevitable. They are wrong, but that hasn’t stopped them in the past, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2h1heDGwMws
"The planet is doomed, so let's just go ahead and kill it now."
Yep, sounds like Republicans, all right. Maybe they believe that if they fuck the planet up enough, then Jesus will have to come back and save his flock.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2018, 01:10:35 PM
On a scale of 0-100 with Marx on the 100, i'm probably 60. You are probably 35 and PR is probably 20. In actuality, I'm more a Teddy Roosevelt Progressive. I think you are more a Franklin Pierce type.
I like Teddy Roosevelt too. Until he split the ticket in 1912 and let the Wilsonian monster in. To stop the Taft-o-saurus. That is the origin of the RINO and DINO duopoly.
Franklin Pierce is an interesting choice. I admire Andrew Jackson more.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2018, 06:16:24 PM
"The planet is doomed, so let's just go ahead and kill it now."
Yep, sounds like Republicans, all right. Maybe they believe that if they fuck the planet up enough, then Jesus will have to come back and save his flock.
What, so they can fuck up heaven as badly as they fucked up the earth? Or that they can fuck up the new earth as bad as the old one? That's an argument to get rid of the problem and restart from backup, which is still bad news to you if you're part of the problem.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on October 01, 2018, 10:45:16 PM
What, so they can fuck up heaven as badly as they fucked up the earth? Or that they can fuck up the new earth as bad as the old one? That's an argument to get rid of the problem and restart from backup, which is still bad news to you if you're part of the problem.
Try Buddhism/Hinduism ... keep fucking things up again and again ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2018, 06:16:24 PMAccording to a new report from the Trump administration, the planet is absolutely headed for a 7 degree temperature increase by the year 2100.
Presumably written by the Chinese to reduce the US's manufacturing capabilities, right?
But seriously, the Trump administration is actively seeking to make global warming worse (http://time.com/5372406/climate-change-epa-coal-trump/) - which is worse than doing nothing at all.
Forgot politics for a second. We've known about this problem for decades and decades, there's no doubt that it's real and the expected effects are catastrophic. And not in some distant way. No, this is going to haunt us - in ways we can't even imagine yet and probably for the rest of our lives. And it's going to haunt our children. And our children's children.
Doing nothing (or worse) about this problem at a national level is simply unforgivable. Left, right, center, whatever. Doesn't matter.
We can and should make putting the brakes on this incoming storm a major priority for any administration. Full stop.
Ah ... so end China (manufacturing and cars) by bombing them back to the Stone Age?
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 02, 2018, 01:03:34 AM
Presumably written by the Chinese to reduce the US's manufacturing capabilities, right?
But seriously, the Trump administration is actively seeking to make global warming worse (http://time.com/5372406/climate-change-epa-coal-trump/) - which is worse than doing nothing at all.
Forgot politics for a second. We've known about this problem for decades and decades, there's no doubt that it's real and the expected effects are catastrophic. And not in some distant way. No, this is going to haunt us - in ways we can't even imagine yet and probably for the rest of our lives. And it's going to haunt our children. And our children's children.
Doing nothing (or worse) about this problem at a national level is simply unforgivable. Left, right, center, whatever. Doesn't matter.
We can and should make putting the brakes on this incoming storm a major priority for any administration. Full stop.
Too many people believe that God is in charge, and he'd never let things get too bad. At least, not until it's time for Armageddon - then all bets are off.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 02, 2018, 01:12:00 PM
Too many people believe that God is in charge, and he'd never let things get too bad. At least, not until it's time for Armageddon - then all bets are off.
Silly theology by silly people. G-d isn't nice. Read Job, Ecclesiastes and Lamentations.
Quote from: Baruch on October 02, 2018, 07:16:47 PM
Silly theology by silly people. G-d isn't nice. Read Job, Ecclesiastes and Lamentations.
Damn straight h's a prick.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 02, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
Damn straight h's a prick.
Also a perfect memory, and vindictive ;-)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 02, 2018, 09:14:29 PM
Damn straight h's a prick.
In this mosaic Trump isn't just
A prick but several hundred.
Zoom at your peril.
(https://redditupvoted.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/0pekvxx.jpg)
It was so much more primitive in the 70s when we made symbol pictures of Lincoln etc.
Where's Waldo?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 02, 2018, 10:48:56 PM
In this mosaic Trump isn't just A prick but several hundred.
Zoom at your peril.
Not while I'm at work, I won't!
Meanwhile, just to prove that he's made of awful â€" and apparently see if he can break the record for the widest gender gap ever recorded in an American election â€" the Orange Disaster Area is now actively mocking Dr Blasey Ford's testimony (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727618).
Granted, this is the same guy who openly mocked a disabled reporter (https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-reporter-with-disability-berman-sot-ac.cnn).
Any other person would have been driven from public life by now just for the first one. I simply cannot fathom why anyone would support this vile entity any longer.
Quote from: trdsf on October 03, 2018, 10:40:01 AM
Meanwhile, just to prove that he's made of awful â€" and apparently see if he can break the record for the widest gender gap ever recorded in an American election â€" the Orange Disaster Area is now actively mocking Dr Blasey Ford's testimony (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45727618).
Granted, this is the same guy who openly mocked a disabled reporter (https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/26/donald-trump-mocks-reporter-with-disability-berman-sot-ac.cnn).
Any other person would have been driven from public life by now just for the first one. I simply cannot fathom why anyone would support this vile entity any longer.
I agree 100%!!!! Yet look at all the women who are holding up 'Women for Trump' signs!!!That goes into the 'I just, for the life of me, can't figure this out!' WTF at its most profound!!
They (Trump supporters/fanatics) have been taught to believe lies when told them, and to worship and obey authority. They can't help it, the indoctrination has been too effective for them to resist it. And that's if they even wanted to resist it, but they don't even realize that there is anything to be resisted. The powers that be are grandmasters of manipulation and psychological encouragement, and have chosen the lowest common denominator to suborn.
Okay, I got my FEMA testing alert.
I put the odds at 50-50 that Lord Dampnut uses it within the next six months in order to distract from something he got himself stuck in.
Actually, I put it at about 50-50 that he uses it before (or on) Election Day to stir up fear and/or disrupt GOTV activities.
Apparently Trump's whole life has been a fraud. He's not a "self-made man" at all, and that was one of his major talking points. There seems to be a reason that he has affluenza:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtLrDz9Qznk
Used car salesmen and squillionaires are within the psychopath spectrum.
I would mock any and all D or R people, but it seems unnecessary at this point. They have lost any credibility they once had.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 03, 2018, 11:49:55 AM
I agree 100%!!!! Yet look at all the women who are holding up 'Women for Trump' signs!!!That goes into the 'I just, for the life of me, can't figure this out!' WTF at its most profound!!
The problem with most political behavior is that it depends on stereotypical behavior .. aka stereotyping people. Not all women are the same.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2018, 02:43:25 PM
Apparently Trump's whole life has been a fraud. He's not a "self-made man" at all, and that was one of his major talking points. There seems to be a reason that he has affluenza:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtLrDz9Qznk
Like father, like son.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 03, 2018, 10:11:16 PM
Like father, like son.
Robespierre would be happy you are "woke".
Wh...wha...what? Trump really didn't just parlay the "small loan of 1 MILLION DOLLARS from his dah-dee into billions through sheer will and genius building skills? Say it ain't so Trumpites! He couldn't have been involved in cheating, lying and tax fraud schemes since it's common knowledge that all taxes are derived from the Devil himself and only exist to take his HARD EARNED money to GIVE to us underserving types. No, he's only rich because he had to work a billion times harder than everyone else! Or..did he merely just work harder at lying than everyone else?
Quote from: trdsf on October 03, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
Okay, I got my FEMA testing alert.
I put the odds at 50-50 that Lord Dampnut uses it within the next six months in order to distract from something he got himself stuck in.
Actually, I put it at about 50-50 that he uses it before (or on) Election Day to stir up fear and/or disrupt GOTV activities.
I expect that "Lord Dampnut" (LOL on that phrase!) will do anything OTHER than show his taxes statements in order to stay in power.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 04, 2018, 01:09:04 AM
Wh...wha...what? Trump really didn't just parlay the "small loan of 1 MILLION DOLLARS from his dah-dee into billions through sheer will and genius building skills? Say it ain't so Trumpites! He couldn't have been involved in cheating, lying and tax fraud schemes since it's common knowledge that all taxes are derived from the Devil himself and only exist to take his HARD EARNED money to GIVE to us underserving types. No, he's only rich because he had to work a billion times harder than everyone else! Or..did he merely just work harder at lying than everyone else?
The revolutionary Left usually fails. And being pacifists opposed to gun control, the war won't last very long at all.
This is how it goes down ... to end the 1960s ...
There was no Greening of America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pwro3vCUdU
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 01:14:37 AM
The revolutionary Left usually fails. And being pacifists opposed to gun control, the war won't last very long at all.
This is how it goes down ... to end the 1960s ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pwro3vCUdU
Wasn't it just a few decades ago that the Right was screaming that the Left was violent, and willing to use weapons to support their cause? Sure, have it both ways. That is the Right theory.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
Wasn't it just a few decades ago that the Right was screaming that the Left was violent, and willing to use weapons to support their cause? Sure, have it both ways. That is the Right theory.
Didn't change a thing ... Nixon ended the student protests and the ghetto riots. Yes, we are all violent .. and we virtue signal too.
I will take status quo violence usually, over the revolutionary kind.
Quote from: trdsf on October 03, 2018, 02:25:34 PM
Okay, I got my FEMA testing alert.
Me, too. First time that I can recall. WTF was that about? Cause it didn't strike me as routine.
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2018/10/02/nationwide-emergency-alert-test-planned-oct-3-test-messages-will-be-sent (https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2018/10/02/nationwide-emergency-alert-test-planned-oct-3-test-messages-will-be-sent)
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 04, 2018, 02:52:25 AM
Me, too. First time that I can recall. WTF was that about? Cause it didn't strike me as routine.
You have been warned. I am sure Alex Jones could say a lot about it ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 06:38:33 AM
You have been warned. I am sure Alex Jones could say a lot about it ;-)
Modern version of "hide under your desk and pray"... Except who has a desk these days? And who has an office? I do have a VERY sturdy storm drain. Not so deep as a well, nor as wide as a church door, but twill serve.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 07:01:11 AM
Modern version of "hide under your desk and pray"... Except who has a desk these days? And who has an office? I do have a VERY sturdy storm drain. Not so deep as a well, nor as wide as a church door, but twill serve.
Not so old, that we practiced nuclear drill hiding under our school desks. Maybe you remember that?
Kiss ass goodbye only applies to Mongolian contortionists.
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2018, 07:10:37 AM
Not so old, that we practiced nuclear drill hiding under our school desks. Maybe you remember that?
Kiss ass goodbye only applies to Mongolian contortionists.
We were limber as youths in the 60s. And SOME of us (like me) laughed at the absurdity. I remember once that if there was a 10 minute warning, we should all go home. I lived 15 minutes away...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 01:14:07 AM
I expect that "Lord Dampnut" (LOL on that phrase!) will do anything OTHER than show his taxes statements in order to stay in power.
There are some wonderful politician anagrams -- you may recall that 'Spiro Agnew' is 'Grow A Penis', and 'Ronald Wilson Reagan' is 'Insane Anglo Warlord'.
Quote from: trdsf on October 04, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
There are some wonderful politician anagrams -- you may recall that 'Spiro Agnew' is 'Grow A Penis', and 'Ronald Wilson Reagan' is 'Insane Anglo Warlord'.
Outstanding. Sadly, anagrams baffle me. I was better with slogans. Most of which I probably couldn't even enter HERE! Hey, when they start with "Tricky Dick" you can guess...
Evidently we've been lied to all our lives! It turns out that crime really does pay, after all!
Who knew!?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
I know I've already posted about this, but it bears repeating, I think.
Crime always pays.
We are all criminals.
if you aren't rich yet, you are doing it wrong!
Go dress up and Gandhi, tell us how holy you are.
I will be glad when all the MSM is shut down by whatever dictator we so richly deserve.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 01:16:43 PM
Outstanding. Sadly, anagrams baffle me. I was better with slogans. Most of which I probably couldn't even enter HERE! Hey, when they start with "Tricky Dick" you can guess...
My favorite slogan from the early 70s was "Dick Nixon before he dicks you!"
(https://i.redd.it/63w60lr819q11.jpg)
Coming soon:
"We lost the election because the libs bused in illegals!"
*picture of a school bus posted on FB with the mexican flag clumsily photoshopped on it*
*tidal wave of angry, gun-toting "peaceful" protestors going absolutely apeshit for 4 years*
--OR--
"Whew, that was a close election. So close that the SCOTUS had to step in. 5-4 decision in our favor. Your candidate lost fair and square, don't be such crybabies about it!"
If Beto does not win, I'm not sure I am going to bother being optimistic anymore about America. Yes, progressives are winning... in states that are already progressive. America is more than New York, California, New England...
About a third of Americans polled believe Kavanaugh is innocent. Trying my best to look at it from a neutral point of view... I just don't see how anyone can hold this position. I completely understand the position of, "I don't know.", and can accept that, but if you are sure he is innocent after those hearings then there is not a chance in hell you aren't supporting him only because of his party.
I said it in another thread that America is a conservative nation... but it seems like we are becoming something far worse than that. We have become a regressive country... we have installed politicians who fight tooth and nail to bring us back to Gilded Age economics, that institute racist policies that effects millions upon millions of minorities in an attempt to make them second-class citizens, that wants to return us to the more ugly periods of sexism against women (I mean for fucks sake, we have a sitting U.S. president who fired a crowd up to laugh at a rape victim).
I don't see America recovering in my life time, especially not without some drastic events intervening the path we have gone down. My mom has always described American politics as a swinging pendulum, but I would take it one further... American society is a swinging pendulum, but each returning swing from one side strikes harder and harder each time in retaliation against the other.
The best one can do it seems is to put your head down, be a good person and hope you can avoid the crossfire for as long as you can... eventually you will get caught up in the shit storm, so might as well enjoy the calm before as long as you can.
Looking at all the evidence to the contrary, how can people think Kavanaugh is totally innocent is beyond me. When 3 victims com fowarrd and th FBI and the Government is covering shit up it isn't really that hard to see.
Does anyone has irrefutable evidence of Kavanagh guilt?
Or it it just mass hysteria goaded by the Democrat party?
I know, it is a cover up by the FBI. The same lot who done the same for HRC.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 05, 2018, 02:23:59 AM
Looking at all the evidence to the contrary, how can people think Kavanaugh is totally innocent is beyond me. When 3 victims com fowarrd and th FBI and the Government is covering shit up it isn't really that hard to see.
He isn't innocent. Any American, on any day, has committed 3 felonies. On that basis, never confirm any appointee to any office ever again (unless Jesus). I don't know what felonies he has committed. I do believe, that an R has committed many of the same felonies that a D has committed. They aren't different species. I would be happy if we closed all our courts, and sent the judges into unemployment, along with all the police and all the lawyers. All those folks are parasitic. If you have a legal problem ...
Same with Trump or any other American, and their taxes. Did Trump cheat? Damn right. Everyone should? There are no valid laws in a country based on treason and genocide. Embrace your evil side while you still can.
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 02:41:50 AM
Does anyone has irrefutable evidence of Kavanagh guilt?
Or it it just mass hysteria goaded by the Democrat party?
I know, it is a cover up by the FBI. The same lot who done the same for HRC.
All Republicans are shape shifting reptilians. Alex Jones told them so. It is only fake news if the Democrats look bad. And clearly Soros is behind both factions, in N America and Europe.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 05, 2018, 01:23:09 AM
(https://i.redd.it/63w60lr819q11.jpg)
Coming soon:
"We lost the election because the libs bused in illegals!"
DO not count your chickens before they hatch. With every fiber of my being, I wish a democratic sweep in the coming election. But my reasoning tells me it just isn't going to happen. As a country, this election will be the final nails into the coffin.
Kavanaugh is guilty of... not being a Democrat!
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 09:50:27 AM
Kavanaugh is guilty of... not being a Democrat!
No, he's guilty of not being pro-choice. If the Democrats had nominated Kavanaugh and he was pro-choice, and Dr. Ford went to the Republicans, the Republicans would be using the same tactic to prevent him from being appointed. When it comes to the Supreme Court, abortion is the number one thing liberals and conservatives care about. Ending legal abortion, after all, is what Trump promised in 2016: that Roe would be “automatically†be overturned should he be elected.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 05, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
No, he's guilty of not being pro-choice. If the Democrats had nominated Kavanaugh and he was pro-choice, and Dr. Ford went to the Republicans, the Republicans would be using the same tactic to prevent him from being appointed. When it comes to the Supreme Court, abortion is the number one thing liberals and conservatives care about. Ending legal abortion, after all, is what Trump promised in 2016: that Roe would be “automatically†be overturned should he be elected.
So accusing him of being a serial rapist, an alcoholic and a child molester was just a deception?
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
So accusing him of being a serial rapist, an alcoholic and a child molester was just a deception?
It is a tactic to prevent him from being appointed to the Supreme Court. Do I think Dr. Ford is lying? No. The Democrats were looking for anything to block Kavanaugh's appointment and they are using Dr. Ford as a means to an end. The Republicans would have done the exact same thing. Trump is countering by reframing Kavanaugh as the victim. Both sides know how important this appointment and the midterm elections are and both sides are taking off the gloves.
Based on his performance in his second round of testimony, he's mostly guilty of lacking a judicial temperament and of bringing an entirely unnecessary cloud over the Supreme Court. I am realist enough to know that despite appearances, certainly the justices are partisan. But they do generally make the effort of at least trying to appear non-partisan, and Kavanaugh couldn't be bothered to do that. The politic thing to do was leave attacking the Democrats to the Republicans.
Now, I question not just his fitness to serve, but also his intelligence and his emotional maturity.
This would have all been over with by now if they'd pulled Kavanaugh and nominated Amy Coney Barrett (an ideological match of Gorsuch) and they'd've had their right-wing court in place in time for the opening of the term this week.
But of course, the general intelligence and emotional maturity of the Republican Party is in question, too.
The law "innocent until proven guilty" is not for everyone. There are exceptions.
All it needs is to burn a cross on his front lawn before lynching him.
Just like in the good old days.
Quote from: trdsf on October 05, 2018, 11:06:17 AMNow, I question not just his fitness to serve, but also his intelligence and his emotional maturity.
Nah. It's all because he's a Republican. PR said so, and he's never said anything here that has ever turned out to be wrong.
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
The law "innocent until proven guilty" is not for everyone. There are exceptions.
Yeah--the question is asked--how much money do you have? That decides it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 05, 2018, 08:55:47 AM
DO not count your chickens before they hatch. With every fiber of my being, I wish a democratic sweep in the coming election. But my reasoning tells me it just isn't going to happen. As a country, this election will be the final nails into the coffin.
Since 2016 ... I can emote that the end of the US is a good thing. Not knowledge, not belief. And with every fiber of my being. Like wishing an asteroid had struck Germany or the USSR in the 1930s.
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 10:45:04 AM
So accusing him of being a serial rapist, an alcoholic and a child molester was just a deception?
Every human is evil. Doesn't matter what the specifics are. Both sides virtue signal ... but forget about "our father in Hell, damned be his name".
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 05, 2018, 10:58:57 AM
It is a tactic to prevent him from being appointed to the Supreme Court. Do I think Dr. Ford is lying? No. The Democrats were looking for anything to block Kavanaugh's appointment and they are using Dr. Ford as a means to an end. The Republicans would have done the exact same thing. Trump is countering by reframing Kavanaugh as the victim. Both sides know how important this appointment and the midterm elections are and both sides are taking off the gloves.
Congress should be more Turkish ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi96f4v5iC0
But the Turks forgot to bring guns to a food fight.
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
The law "innocent until proven guilty" is not for everyone. There are exceptions.
All it needs is to burn a cross on his front lawn before lynching him.
Just like in the good old days.
Dems don't do that anymore, the Repubs do now. Dems prefer to send you to their Gulag.
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2018, 11:09:28 AM
The law "innocent until proven guilty" is not for everyone. There are exceptions.
All it needs is to burn a cross on his front lawn before lynching him.
Just like in the good old days.
In many people's mind, the consequences go beyond Kavanaugh's guilt or innocence. The seriousness can't be overstated.
Liberal argument: If Kavanaugh is truly innocent, slandering an innocent man who will continue to be a federal judge is morally preferable to millions of women losing their reproductive rights.
Conservative argument: If Kavanaugh is truly guilty, appointing a man who sexually assaulted a woman in his youth is morally preferable to the continued slaughter of millions of unborn babies.
Yes, this is why we will have Civil War, if it is as stereotyped as you said. I hope not. In that stereotype there is a lot more evil to do than just extending or ending the right to terminate a pregnancy. The Handmaid's Tale anyone?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 05, 2018, 10:28:36 AM
No, he's guilty of not being pro-choice. If the Democrats had nominated Kavanaugh and he was pro-choice, and Dr. Ford went to the Republicans, the Republicans would be using the same tactic to prevent him from being appointed. When it comes to the Supreme Court, abortion is the number one thing liberals and conservatives care about. Ending legal abortion, after all, is what Trump promised in 2016: that Roe would be “automatically†be overturned should he be elected.
The Republicans don't really care about abortion or any other social issue, they only use those as hot-button items to fire up their base. They only really care about financial issues, which most people, especially their base don't even understand.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 05, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Yeah--the question is asked--how much money do you have? That decides it.
No, I think the question is: how much money can you make for us?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
The Republicans don't really care about abortion or any other social issue, they only use those as hot-button items to fire up their base.
I sometimes think that, but then I note that their base today becomes their leadership tomorrow (a phenomenon that rank-and-file democrats are envious of), so I think they sincerely do care about this issue.
For starters, its antagonizes their religious sensibilities and their related preoccupation with policing sexual morality. (see homosexuality, birth control, HPV vaccine, etc)
Secondly, it conflicts with their concept of the traditional role of women as keepers of home and hearth foremost.
Thirdly, it's one of those complex, morally-ambiguous things that stupid people can't really grock - characterizing it as simple infanticide is much easier for them to grasp. Thus, there will always be a subgroup who finds it positively abhorrent, which the Republicans gleefully cater towards and who in turn become Republicans.
You may be right, it's impossible to put my head in their space and see the world as they see it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
You may be right, it's impossible to put my head in their space and see the world as they see it.
Imagine someone who's kind of lost in the modern world, fears the future, and longs for an idealized past.
Also, someone who gets their news from Hannity and Alex Jones. Fear and disinformation are the two major motivating factors, here.
Necrocephalic? I can picture that...
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
The Republicans don't really care about abortion or any other social issue, they only use those as hot-button items to fire up their base. They only really care about financial issues, which most people, especially their base don't even understand.
It is possible to understand finance. But not if you believe in a free lunch, or benefits without work. Those two are why people don't understand finance. Nobody can make you understand something, when it is in your short term interest, to not understand it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
You may be right, it's impossible to put my head in their space and see the world as they see it.
That is why you fail (see chess strategy). And why they fail for the same reason. If you can't anticipate their next move, then it is unclear what your present move should be.
QuoteThe law "innocent until proven guilty" is not for everyone.
1. I am not the judge, nor the jury, in this case. Innocent until proven guilty is stating the rules for a court, not what a private citizen is forced to think.
2. Kavanaugh is not appearing before a judge nor jury. This was simply a hearing and had no legal implications, so innocent until proven guilty is not even relevant in this case.
3. Do you believe O.J. Simpson is innocent simply because he was proven innocent? Was Carl DeLuna guilty and deserved to be executed even though the officer admits he lied about the evidence and someone else has repeatedly stated that he was the one who actually did it?
The law is not by nature what is right, nor is it what is wrong.
4. To go back to 1 and 2, this is a job interview... tell me a single other job where if you were being accused of sexual assault, rightfully or wrongfully, your employer wouldn't care.
QuoteAll it needs is to burn a cross on his front lawn before lynching him.
Cut the drama, all people are saying is that there are better choices for the Supreme Court, even ones that share his hateful ideology but at least don't have credible evidence that they attempted to rape someone against them.
It's not like this "case", if you even want to call it that given it has no legal ramifications, is determining if he should be executed, or even lose his normal job or... well, anything, really.
Your worst nightmare is realized.
Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed (51-49) for the supreme court.
The circus is over.
Imagine being so partisan you celebrate an accused rapist who is being reviewed by he BAR association, who was nominated to take away reproductive rights for women, being elected to a life time appointment and one of the most powerful positions in the nation, just because it sticks it to "the left"...
Accused yes. Proven no.
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 02:44:40 AM
Accused yes. Proven no.
Accused by credible sources who asked the FBI to investigate it, while he himself consistently tried to avoid any investigation into it. You have multiple times now accused Ford of being guilty until proven innocent, so let's cut the charade of that being what you care about.
Guilty people don't ask the FBI to investigate them, and innocent people aren't terrified of the FBI getting involved.
The fact of the matter is we will never know if he is guilty because there was no actual investigation. There are judges that share his ideology who aren't accused of raping women... why is this where the right wants to make it's stand, other than to be hateful?
Did Ford categorically state that she was actually raped by Kavanaugh?
I did not hear that. If it was a rape, why was it not reported to the police at the time?
How about the parents?
Also, I find it suspicious to air all this at the most convenient time. 37 years later.
The end justifies the means.
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 03:04:02 AM
Did Ford categorically state that she was actually raped by Kavanaugh?
I did not hear that. If it was a rape, why was it not reported to the police at the time?
How about the parents?
Also, I find it suspicious to air all this at the most convenient time. 37 years later.
The end justifies the means.
And 3 people came up to say they were raped by a chronic liar? And the cover up is obvious. And you are blind.
Hypothetical question: is there a conservative on the planet who is such a complete POS that even PR won't try to defend him? Or is it just 100% partisan circling the wagons all day, every day?
QuoteDid Ford categorically state that she was actually raped by Kavanaugh?
Yes.
QuoteIf it was a rape, why was it not reported to the police at the time?
Trauma? Shame? The fact that the overwhelming majority of rapists walk Scot-free while the woman has to deal with the social stigma? The fear of retaliation?
There are literally hundreds of reasons why women (and men) don't come forward.
QuoteAlso, I find it suspicious to air all this at the most convenient time. 37 years later.
Yes... it's totally "suspicious" to bring up a crime when someone is being interviewed for one of the, arguably, top 10 most powerful government positions in the United States. A crime you had told your therapist and family about years before. Why would anyone bring it up at a time like that...
You have already decided she is guilty because you rather your "side" win than believe a woman could be sexually assaulted by a drunkard. And judging by your remarks above you obviously don''t have much sympathy for other rape victims as well since you apparently know nothing about the ramifications of sexual violence.
I would like to sit here and pretend to be shocked, but it's not like this is the first time you have indicated you have a bit of a misogynistic streak to your character.
If Kavanaugh is guilty as you are all convinced, why has he been confirmed to the supreme court?
Should he not be on the way to prison for rape?
I know, a massive cover up. Is the FBI also guilty of collusion? Sure they are.
Attorneys: Christine Blasey Ford doesn't want Kavanaugh impeached, has no regrets
https://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/attorneys-ford-doesnt-want-kavanaugh-impeached-has-no-regrets
WASHINGTON (CNN) - As Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh awaits a final Senate confirmation vote, a lawyer representing Christine Blasey Ford says she absolutely does not want him impeached if Democrats take control of Congress.
Ford's attorney Debra Katz tells CNN's Dana Bash in an interview that Ford only wanted to tell her story to Senate Judiciary Committee members. She doesn't want the process to drag on into the next Congress should Democrats end up winning control on Capitol Hill.
"Professor Ford has not asked for anything of the sort. What she did was to come forward and testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee and agree to cooperate with any investigation by the FBI and that's what she sought to do here," Katz said. ...
"And this was what she wanted to do, which was provide this information to the committee so they could make the best decision possible. And I think she still feels that was the right thing to do, so I don't think she has any regrets." ...
I have a lot of respect for Dr. Ford. She didn't have to put herself in the middle of a political maelstrom and media circus by telling a painful personal story for which she knew she would be criticized and mocked. She put her reputation on the line when she had no incentive to do so other than doing what she felt was right. I hope testifying doesn't negatively affect her career.
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 04:18:14 AM
If Kavanaugh is guilty as you are all convinced, why has he been confirmed to the supreme court?
Should he not be on the way to prison for rape?
I know, a massive cover up. Is the FBI also guilty of collusion? Sure they are.
They are afraid of King Trump.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 06, 2018, 03:46:40 AM
And 3 people came up to say they were raped by a chronic liar? And the cover up is obvious. And you are blind.
All humans are chronic liars ... we call it ... fiction. What are you lying about? Or just lying down?
Dr Ford was involved with hypnosis, and lied about it. MK Ultra much? Just more gamesmanship by the CIA aka Gestapo?
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 01:51:22 AM
Your worst nightmare is realized.
Brett Kavanaugh is confirmed (51-49) for the supreme court.
The circus is over.
Not yet, the full Senate hasn't taken final confirmation action. The media can milk this awhile longer.
The whole point of this exercise, is to get some controversial Senate votes that can't be denied, that can be used in the upcoming Senate elections.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 06, 2018, 04:01:13 AM
Hypothetical question: is there a conservative on the planet who is such a complete POS that even PR won't try to defend him? Or is it just 100% partisan circling the wagons all day, every day?
Can you hate conservatives as much as I hate liberals? Hypothetical question only. Atheism, religion of hate. Oh ... sorry pr126 ... that is Islam.
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 04:18:14 AM
If Kavanaugh is guilty as you are all convinced, why has he been confirmed to the supreme court?
Should he not be on the way to prison for rape?
I know, a massive cover up. Is the FBI also guilty of collusion? Sure they are.
Putin did it. He has Thanos powers, the Commie stones are his, in his gauntlet of Marx!
Everyone here is 4 years old, hiding under their bed covers from the Boogie Man.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 06, 2018, 05:07:30 AM
They are afraid of King Trump.
Y'all should be afraid of King Jesus. How much does Soros pay y'all for posting here?
Who needs evidence when you have faith? [in the democrat party]? :)
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2018, 02:56:12 AM
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2018/10/02/nationwide-emergency-alert-test-planned-oct-3-test-messages-will-be-sent (https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2018/10/02/nationwide-emergency-alert-test-planned-oct-3-test-messages-will-be-sent)
I got my test in the last two days on my cell phone. The special buzz alarmed me. I thought an untracked hurricane was coming or something like that. It just goes to show that FEMA does work. Yay FEMA! It works!
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 05:57:51 AM
Who needs evidence when you have faith? [in the democrat party]? :)
Politically as in religion, faith is worthless. Evidence is of little importance. So what is the solution? Vote Republican?
Quote from: SGOS on October 06, 2018, 09:46:00 AM
Politically as in religion, faith is worthless. Evidence is of little importance. So what is the solution? Vote Republican?
If you prefer the globalist/socialist utopia promised, vote Democrat.
See how well it works in California, New York, Detroit etc.
Open borders? Watch Europe implode. Take it as a warning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftA0lngeuXY
QuoteWho needs evidence when you have faith? [in the democrat party]? :)
Who needs evidence when you have faith? [that the person making credible accusations is lying because she is a woman]? :)
Quote from: pr126 on October 06, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
well, if you prefer the Marxist utopia promised, vote Democrat.
See how well it works in California, New York, Detroit etc.
There is no Marxist Utopia in the US. I don't know where it is now, but California was the 7th largest economy in the world. New York is probably the 1st largest economy in the US, and has more culture like the arts, although I'm talking about a city, which isn't as big as a state. Detroit put all of it's eggs in the American automobile industry, which survived for as long as it did on an unrealistic patriotism to buy American even while Japan, and now Korea of all places, are making more popular and economical cars for the American consumer. Detroit was always a major shithole IMO. California not so much, especially as you travel north. I wouldn't want to live in New York or California. Some places in the US are more desirable shitholes to live than others. I don't want a Marxist Utopia anymore than I want a fascist republic. Since I left Chicago when I was 17, I've always lived in places surrounded by conservatives. IMO, these types of places are the least worst shitholes, but my life revolves around nature, and I don't make choices about where I live based on the local political climate. I don't think I would be happier surrounded by liberals if it meant being in crowds and tall buildings.
Quote from: SGOS on October 06, 2018, 09:46:00 AM
Politically as in religion, faith is worthless. Evidence is of little importance. So what is the solution? Vote Republican?
Admit the US is dead not alive. Later you can admit that G-d is alive, not dead.
Has the US ever been like Athens? No. Has the US ever been like the Roman Republic? Yes. Plutocracy and militarism. So unless you are a plutocrat or associated with the MIC (or domestic injustice system) ... you are a pleb (welfare mother) or slave.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 06, 2018, 10:52:46 AM
Who needs evidence when you have faith? [that the person making credible accusations is lying because she is a woman]? :)
It actually doesn't matter if she told the truth. The Dems have been POONED by the master of Reality TV. And Trump can still afford great looking hookers.
The really sad thing for the Republicans is, if they didn't have a man with the emotional maturity of a three year old in the White House, they could have resolved this in a minute by â€" as I suggested before â€" withdrawing Kavanaugh and instead nominating any one of a number of female conservative Federal judges. Judge Barrett's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett) name was the one most often mentioned, but she's in no way the only alternative. Democrats would have been unable to mount a very serious opposition to a female nominee under the circumstances, Republicans would have their conservative court, and that would be that. That's plain old politics.
Instead, you have a spoiled asshole in the Executive who throws a tantrum if anyone even hints at saying "no" to him, and a hypocrite, coward and liar running the Senate who didn't even want Kavanaugh nominated in the first place (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/07/us/politics/trump-mcconnell-supreme-court.html) about to shove through a damaged nominee and guaranteeing a damaged court that can only operate under a cloud of public distrust for years to come.
There are times I wonder if this is all a plot by libertarian-leaning Republicans to undermine any vestige of trust left in any part of the government whatsoever.
Said if before. Trump isn't the Real President (tm). Pence is. As was Biden and Cheney before him. Voters are so cute when they are confused and angry.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 04, 2018, 06:09:42 PM
Evidently we've been lied to all our lives! It turns out that crime really does pay, after all!
Who knew!?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
I know I've already posted about this, but it bears repeating, I think.
Crimes always pays if you get away with it. And most great wealthy people live off the crimes of their fathers. I would say to ask the Trump children, but I won't sink that low. Ask the Rockefellers. Well beyond the statutes of limitations...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:50:51 AM
Crimes always pays if you get away with it. And most great wealthy people live off the crimes of their fathers. I would say to ask the Trump children, but I won't sink that low. Ask the Rockefellers. Well beyond the statutes of limitations...
Jealous you can't share your pirate booty with Hell spawn? (sarc). Actually children are wonderful.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 04:03:59 AM
Jealous you can't share your pirate booty with Hell spawn? (sarc). Actually children are wonderful.
I didn't get my wealth from Daddy. I saved like mad. Actually, none of your post makes much sense in general or specific.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 05:04:28 AM
I didn't get my wealth from Daddy. I saved like mad. Actually, none of your post makes much sense in general or specific.
That's OK. I am American enough to appreciate "self made". But sometimes (not you) it means "newly stolen". Saving is hard if you have a spouse or children or impoverished family/friends. I had the first two. And those social burdens make it hard to keep what you save. I am building my second "fortune" having lost the first in divorce. However, the point of money isn't to have it, but to spend it where it is needed. I hope to leave this world the way I came in, with no fortune at all, having applied it.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 08:41:06 AM
That's OK. I am American enough to appreciate "self made". But sometimes (not you) it means "newly stolen". Saving is hard if you have a spouse or children or impoverished family/friends. I had the first two. And those social burdens make it hard to keep what you save. I am building my second "fortune" having lost the first in divorce. However, the point of money isn't to have it, but to spend it where it is needed. I hope to leave this world the way I came in, with no fortune at all, having applied it.
OK, that was serious, and I will treat it seriously. Sometimes men suffer from divorces. A friend of my father's (so close we called him "Uncle") spent his life living above a garage after divorce. Be equally, many women spend much of their lives in poverty after divorces raising children on low salaries. And both sides can feel alone and separated from their children.
No one wins.
I agree that money isn't the object of life. Mine will go to my siblings and their children in hopes that they have easier lives than I did. Recall me mentioning roaches dropping off the ceilings at night when I was younger...
You can't take it with you when you die. I've mentioned having money. But I live like a college student. I just don't love "things" much. I do need a better chair to watch MSNBC from. The headrest is too low on the current one and bends my neck. And even then, I am thinking about a computer chair without wheels attached.
All my basic furniture is "old stuff from parents and grandparents". I may splurge on an oak dining table and 4 chairs soon, but that is 20 years overdue. I live a simple life. "House Beautiful" magazine is never going to visit me, LOL.
A simple life, regardless of resources, is best. But for me reading and writing are a part of what is best. That and being useful to customers, employers, friends and relatives. Not so simple as a hermit miser. In Hinduism, the ideal old age is that of the hermit, but without any goods (no miserliness, you give it away before you move into the forest to contemplate mortality by yourself). For some the "forest" is the cremation ground.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
A simple life, regardless of resources, is best. But for me reading and writing are a part of what is best. That and being useful to customers, employers, friends and relatives. Not so simple as a hermit miser. In Hinduism, the ideal old age is that of the hermit, but without any goods (no miserliness, you give it away before you move into the forest to contemplate mortality by yourself. For some the "forest" is the cremation ground.
My Filosofic does not extend quite so far.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 12:34:28 PM
My Filosofic does not extend quite so far.
And I am clearly not S Asian, but I think they provide a useful contrast.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
And I am clearly not S Asian, but I think they provide a useful contrast.
How are you sure you are not? DNA test?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:13:24 PM
How are you sure you are not? DNA test?
You know I did, and that I am not ... though over 40,000 years ago, some ancestry in Europe comes from W Asia or S Asia. But not recently. Though we are all Africans as of 80,000 years ago, including the earlier hominids who left Africa earlier.
I happen to admire many cultures. But I have to defend W European/American culture from its competitors.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:19:03 PM
You know I did, and that I am not ... though over 40,000 years ago, some ancestry in Europe comes from W Asia or S Asia. But not recently. Though we are all Africans as of 80,000 years ago, including the earlier hominids who left Africa earlier.
I happen to admire many cultures. But I have to defend W European/American culture from its competitors.
Close, but behind the times.
"But I have to defend W European/American culture from its competitors" Why?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:21:45 PM
Close, but behind the times.
"But I have to defend W European/American culture from its competitors" Why?
Says a self hating American? Shiranu much?
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:32:09 PM
Says a self hating American? Shiranu much?
Oh I don't mind the US being in Europe. Let WW4 be fought there instead of here. I besides, those GIs bring home lovely wives and that improves the gene pool.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 02:35:21 PM
Oh I don't mind the US being in Europe. Let WW4 be fought there instead of here. I besides, those GIs bring home lovely wives and that improves the gene pool.
Good points ;-) A brother of my father-in-law brought back a German girl. Quite an exile for her, to go to a small town in the Colorado mountains.
Yes, per neutron bombs, the point is to use Europe as hostages and cannon fodder. We are so ... virtuous ;-) But they did refuse the neutron bombs.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:38:40 PM
Good points ;-) A brother of my father-in-law brought back a German girl. Quite an exile for her, to go to a small town in the Colorado mountains.
Yes, per neutron bombs, the point is to use Europe as hostages and cannon fodder. We are so ... virtuous ;-) But they did refuse the neutron bombs.
Well I am proud to say that my family tree now has a Japanese woman, a South Korean women, and a half Korean guy. And if you look at it right, they have the reverse.
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 04:03:59 AM
Actually children are wonderful.
Yeah, especially with a little catsup!
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
Well I am proud to say that my family tree now has a Japanese woman, a South Korean women, and a half Korean guy.
So help me, I read that last clause as "half a Korean guy" and was going to ask what happened...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 07, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
Well I am proud to say that my family tree now has a Japanese woman, a South Korean women, and a half Korean guy. And if you look at it right, they have the reverse.
Korean guy .. upper or lower half? ;-) That's gotta hurt!
Quote from: Baruch on October 07, 2018, 02:32:09 PM
Says a self hating American? Shiranu much?
I don't hate being American, I only hate that being American has become synonymous with being a boring and horrible human being. Yes... we always did horrible things... but we also lead the way in magnificent achievements in science, in war, in culture as well as pioneering revolutionary new ways of thinking culturally and politically for many generations.
I hate that we are trying to regress into repeating everything we did wrong rather than celebrating and emulating everything we did right. In that way, I would argue I am quite conservative... I want to conserve the things that made America great, and it was never our bigotry, our racism, our sexism, nor classism and screwing our fellow citizen over that did those things... it was our drive for progress, for equality, for excellence and being the moral beacon of the world that made us great.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gl7CTdK.jpg)
(https://images.8tracks.com/cover/i/009/070/542/tumblr_ms29ua07jd1s8h29zo1_r1_500-8089.png?rect=6,48,444,444&q=98&fm=jpg&fit=max)
so depressing
Quote from: trdsf on October 07, 2018, 05:42:46 PM
So help me, I read that last clause as "half a Korean guy" and was going to ask what happened...
LOL! But BIL. His dad married a Korean woman. She was loved in the family. No problems there.
It offends my intelligence that certain groups of republicans say that a obvious corrupted liar should be respected and praised as a member of SCOPTUS. It also offends my intelligence that they say its a liberal's problem and snobbishly laugh. It should everyone's problem but these people who can be good people are stupid and bigoted as fuck and I like to hit them with a crrowbar.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 10, 2018, 02:38:28 PM
It offends my intelligence that certain groups of republicans say that a obvious corrupted liar should be respected and praised as a member of SCOPTUS. It also offends my intelligence that they say its a liberal's problem and snobbishly laugh. It should everyone's problem but these people who can be good people are stupid and bigoted as fuck and I like to hit them with a crrowbar.
Yes, the SCOTUS should all be centrist. They SHOULD be a safety zone. Kavanaiugh will not be.
I suspect that, if the Republicans lose any mid-term elections, they'll just take them to court, all the way up to the SCOTUS. And then, guess what? They'll win.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 10, 2018, 03:13:10 PM
I suspect that, if the Republicans lose any mid-term elections, they'll just take them to court, all the way up to the SCOTUS. And then, guess what? They'll win.
Yes. No more to say. Just Yes. OK, more...
I look at the world thinking if Al Gore hadn't been cheated from the Election in 2000. We would have solar power everywhere. We would not have climate change now, we would have transcontinental maglevs.
Don't laugh. We would... 18 years is a long time. We went to the moon in 9.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 10, 2018, 04:33:26 PM
Yes. No more to say. Just Yes. OK, more...
I look at the world thinking if Al Gore hadn't been cheated from the Election in 2000. We would have solar power everywhere. We would not have climate change now, we would have transcontinental maglevs.
Don't laugh. We would... 18 years is a long time. We went to the moon in 9.
If Al Gore had not been such an abject coward, we may not be on the doorstep of a dictatorship.
The Republicans know how to fight dirty, and are not afraid to do just that. The Democrats either don't know how, are afraid to. or both. The corporations win either way, but the people lose more with the GOP in power.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 10, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Yes, the SCOTUS should all be centrist. They SHOULD be a safety zone. Kavanaiugh will not be.
BS ... SCOTUS worthless since Dred Scott decision over 150 years ago. Where were you people when Citizen's United was approved by SCOTUS?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 10, 2018, 06:55:58 PM
The Republicans know how to fight dirty, and are not afraid to do just that. The Democrats either don't know how, are afraid to. or both. The corporations win either way, but the people lose more with the GOP in power.
Rollerball ... enjoy your entertainment, citizen! All corporations, all the time.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 10, 2018, 02:38:28 PM
It offends my intelligence that certain groups of republicans say that a obvious corrupted liar should be respected and praised as a member of SCOPTUS. It also offends my intelligence that they say its a liberal's problem and snobbishly laugh. It should everyone's problem but these people who can be good people are stupid and bigoted as fuck and I like to hit them with a crrowbar.
Funny, that is exactly what some Republicans are saying about the Democrats ... that unless you give them a dictatorship, they will take their spunk-in-spiced soy latte, and run home to watch Oprah and have a good cry.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 10, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
If Al Gore had not been such an abject coward, we may not be on the doorstep of a dictatorship.
A bug not a feature. We have insect overlords, not reptilians. Social insects are ruled by Queens.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 10, 2018, 06:42:51 PM
If Al Gore had not been such an abject coward, we may not be on the doorstep of a dictatorship.
Gore and Kerry both. I have little doubt in my mind that Kerry had his election stolen in 2004 right here in Ohio, and despite all his posturing about not backing down, he immediately caved anyway.
I'm sorry, but the notion that the exit polls happened to be inaccurate only in Ohio and nowhere else â€" which is what you need to believe in order to accept the "official" 2004 results as being true and accurate â€" is bullshit. The simple facts are:
- exit polling is not a "guess", it's a well-researched way to measure, within statistical limits, the results of voting; and
- only one out of every 37 Kerry votes needed to be flipped to a Dubya vote to change the exit poll result to the "official" result; and
- the CEO of Diebold, HQ'd right here in Ohio and manufacturer of electronic voting machines, had in a rather Orwellian way publicly promised to deliver Ohio for Dubya.
I for one would really prefer for the head of a voting machine manufacturer to publicly promise to deliver accurate results without regard to who they personally support.
In the future, thanks to the Internet, and the crappy security that has to be so CIA can hack everything ...
elections will happen, from home, not a polling booth, and you won't even know the results are as fake as the primaries that Hillary won.
So in one of his first cases, Kavanaugh is already arguing in favour of indefinite detention of immigrants without a trial. Even Neil, Trumps other appointee, had reservations about this.
But remember, innocent until proven guilty. Isn't that what I was told to think about him? Apparently he doesn't share your ideals...
Some people wonder why people support Trump. My husband has a degree in business, manages our financial investments, and the economy is by far the issue he cares about most. He believes that Trump's confrontation of China's worldwide economic and strategic aggression, its internal oppression and balancing trade between US and China will be Trump's legacy. He didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but says if Trump continues to push China and protect America's economic interest he will vote for him, regardless of other issues, because he feels economic trade rules will affect America for generations. Agree or disagree, this is part of Trump's appeal.
Quote from: trdsf on October 11, 2018, 12:44:00 AM
Gore and Kerry both. I have little doubt in my mind that Kerry had his election stolen in 2004 right here in Ohio, and despite all his posturing about not backing down, he immediately caved anyway.
I'm sorry, but the notion that the exit polls happened to be inaccurate only in Ohio and nowhere else â€" which is what you need to believe in order to accept the "official" 2004 results as being true and accurate â€" is bullshit. The simple facts are:
- exit polling is not a "guess", it's a well-researched way to measure, within statistical limits, the results of voting; and
- only one out of every 37 Kerry votes needed to be flipped to a Dubya vote to change the exit poll result to the "official" result; and
- the CEO of Diebold, HQ'd right here in Ohio and manufacturer of electronic voting machines, had in a rather Orwellian way publicly promised to deliver Ohio for Dubya.
I agree with all that you said. But I'd prefer if all voting was done with paper ballots.
I for one would really prefer for the head of a voting machine manufacturer to publicly promise to deliver accurate results without regard to who they personally support.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 11, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
I agree with all that you said. But I'd prefer if all voting was done with paper ballots.
So would I. There's no law that says all ballots have to be counted and announced fifteen minutes after the polls close. On a matter this important, I want a paper trail.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 11, 2018, 11:02:42 AM
Some people wonder why people support Trump. My husband has a degree in business, manages our financial investments, and the economy is by far the issue he cares about most. He believes that Trump's confrontation of China's worldwide economic and strategic aggression, its internal oppression and balancing trade between US and China will be Trump's legacy. He didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but says if Trump continues to push China and protect America's economic interest he will vote for him, regardless of other issues, because he feels economic trade rules will affect America for generations. Agree or disagree, this is part of Trump's appeal.
So they would ignore the flaws for their preferred positives. That's just selfish and insane in one go.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 11, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
So they would ignore the flaws for their preferred positives. That's just selfish and insane in one go.
We voted for Clinton even though she's a horrible person because she supported more of our interests. My husband thinks Trump is a horrible person but he's willing to vote for him if the Democrats don't put forth a candidate who will play hardball with China and prioritize US economic interests, which they probably won't. It's not about ignoring the flaws but balancing them against priorities. There nothing insane about believing the health of the American economy is a top priority.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 11, 2018, 11:02:42 AM
Some people wonder why people support Trump. My husband has a degree in business, manages our financial investments, and the economy is by far the issue he cares about most. He believes that Trump's confrontation of China's worldwide economic and strategic aggression, its internal oppression and balancing trade between US and China will be Trump's legacy. He didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but says if Trump continues to push China and protect America's economic interest he will vote for him, regardless of other issues, because he feels economic trade rules will affect America for generations. Agree or disagree, this is part of Trump's appeal.
Trump is much smoke and little fire. What little he as done, has been show and tell. And no one can say how the trade war will work out. The alternative to letting China become the primary economy starting in the 90s ... was nuclear war. The USSR is down, and Russia is better than the USSR, but not by much economically. The Chinese Communist Party morphed ... but with Xi becoming the new Mao ... it seems we are seeing "peak China" for now. The tendency of nations is to try to become hegemon, with many competitors. Keeping the competition to non-violence is a challenge. The US became undisputed hegemon in 1992 ... but that was never meant to last. Not only a revived Russia, and an ever more vigorous China, but an EU led by Unified Germany ... oppose this.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on October 11, 2018, 01:05:17 PM
We voted for Clinton even though she's a horrible person because she supported more of our interests. My husband thinks Trump is a horrible person but he's willing to vote for him if the Democrats don't put forth a candidate who will play hardball with China and prioritize US economic interests, which they probably won't. It's not about ignoring the flaws but balancing them against priorities. There nothing insane about believing the health of the American economy is a top priority.
Nixon sold out the US to China way back in the 70s. I was all for it back then. Al Gore was caught in a China scandal in the 2000 election. How soon we forget. That election was so close, that one item could have turned it.
There can be no healthy US economy, without a healthy world economy. Unfortunately the first is impossible, because the second is impossible. That is why you have human trafficking immigration criminality, being supported at the highest levels. Deplorables, all the way down.
The Dems made a pack with the Clinton Cthulhu ... because she promised to eat the gays last.
Most people won't consider the economy vs voting. Most people believe in a magical free lunch, that many are kept from getting, because Trump etc is a meanie!
Quote from: Shiranu on October 11, 2018, 06:01:11 AM
So in one of his first cases, Kavanaugh is already arguing in favour of indefinite detention of immigrants without a trial. Even Neil, Trumps other appointee, had reservations about this.
But remember, innocent until proven guilty. Isn't that what I was told to think about him? Apparently he doesn't share your ideals...
Innocent until proven guilty ... bwahaha ... hasn't been true since we got Al Capone for tax evasion. Idealists believe all sorts of happy nonsense.
Declaration of Independence = lies
US Constitution and amendments = lies
US legal code based on the above = more lies
Keep trying what is failing, it is sure to work if you try hard enough.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 11, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
So they would ignore the flaws for their preferred positives. That's just selfish and insane in one go.
Voters = insane primates
Just...wow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUqv8LTkw
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 11, 2018, 03:29:57 PM
Just...wow...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egGUqv8LTkw
I admit I know nothing about Kanye West, I've never heard him speak before and I'm not even sure I have heard any of his songs. I will only say that I agree with Trump when he responded, "That was quite something."
Democrats don't like when welfare/crime slaves think independently. Gotta keep that 10% strongly voting blindly for communism.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on October 11, 2018, 08:49:12 PM
Baruch=FOS
LBJ was Satan himself. Just ask the Vietnamese. And LBJ was every inch a Democrat.
Quote from: Baruch on October 10, 2018, 08:34:44 PM
Where were you people when Citizen's United was approved by SCOTUS?
Screaming angry! And still angry to this day.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 01:37:53 AM
Screaming angry! And still angry to this day.
Yes, both parties in Congress jumped into action to .... yawn. Term limits anyone?
Quote from: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 02:24:54 AM
Yes, both parties in Congress jumped into action to .... yawn. Term limits anyone?
I hate dark money. On either side. Astroturf crap with names that disguise their intent.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 14, 2018, 05:15:13 AM
I hate dark money. On either side. Astroturf crap with names that disguise their intent.
Every congressman should wear a suit coat, with the logos of all his/her sponsors on it.
Quote from: Baruch on October 14, 2018, 07:54:45 AM
Every congressman should wear a suit coat, with the logos of all his/her sponsors on it.
That WOULD make them more honest. In fact, I rather like the idea. "Senator Smith, brought to you today by The Koch's, The Catholic Church, and some PACs"
Quote"President Donald Trump likes to boast that he’s breaking records with the latest low unemployment figures. Here’s another record for his administration: The 2018 federal deficit hit the highest level of the last six years.
The deficit jumped 17 percent (or by $113 billion) to $779 billion at the end of Trump’s first fiscal year, according to final figures released Monday by the Treasury Department. That’s mostly due to the massive corporate tax cut that slashed rates from 35 percent to 21 percent, choking revenue for spending, which climbed 3 percent. Much of that was a hike in defense spending and money to pay interest on the climbing federal debt, CNN reported.
The U.S. government’s $523 billion in interest payments to service its debt in 2018 â€" the highest ever â€" was more than the entire economic output of Belgium this year, Bloomberg reported."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbauVaaw4Vk
Does this surprise anyone? Not me, I've been saying for a while that the Putin/Trump agenda is the ruination of America's economy ("America first"), and then the economy of the EU. They seem to be right on track to do just that.
Like the EU? Move to the EU. They need suckers to replace the Greeks, Brits maybe the Italians, the Hungarians ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUenC7BWjZ8
It's interesting to see Trump admit that he lies, but will his fan base ever believe that?
Only the government should be allowed to lie - Plato
Full quote:
To the rulers of the state then, if to any, belongs the right to use falsehood, to deceive either enemies or their own citizens, for the good of the state: and no one else may meddle with this privilege. - The Republic
Known liars ... George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, FDR ...
I bet no president has ever lied nearly as much as the current occupant of the WH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-HxgdboOU
Oh, but CNN is "fake news," huh?
2000 lies? Kimmel calls it "lie2K"! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQruDaf7bKs
Truthiness is the new reality (same as the old reality).
Tell it to Reverend Weems.
I am looking forward to Election Day when people who despise Trump win. The House at least. The Senate seems unlikely.
The saddest part, but almost sensible, is that the theists will support Trump in spite of his faults that far out range anything previous Presidents did in spite of his immoral and unethical behavior and views. He gave them 2 radical insane SCOTUS and they forgive him for everything.
That's sick!
Quote from: Cavebear on November 03, 2018, 02:30:08 AM
I am looking forward to Election Day when people who despise Trump win. The House at least. The Senate seems unlikely.
The saddest part, but almost sensible, is that the theists will support Trump in spite of his faults that far out range anything previous Presidents did in spite of his immoral and unethical behavior and views. He gave them 2 radical insane SCOTUS and they forgive him for everything.
That's sick!
Maybe. I dred elections now. Someone will be disappointed. Will they start a civil war? Democrats do. Just one step closer to elections being banned, replaced by dictatorship. And yes, you are partisan ... as are most other people. I am not in this sense, I hate inhumanity, which seems to be brought to the fore by politics. The center cannot hold, as long as the wings find it profitable to divide and disintegrate the US.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 03, 2018, 02:30:08 AM
I am looking forward to Election Day when people who despise Trump win. The House at least. The Senate seems unlikely.
I know it is popular in some circles to think Trump will be defeated in a few days. I predict that the Repubs will retain control of both houses and that Trump will be reelected in two years. I don't see much hope for this country; and it seems to be a sickness that is creeping around the world.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
I know it is popular in some circles to think Trump will be defeated in a few days. I predict that the Repubs will retain control of both houses and that Trump will be reelected in two years. I don't see much hope for this country; and it seems to be a sickness that is creeping around the world.
You may be right. But the idea that people will turn centrist and moderate, shake hands, and stop acting out ...is even more unlikely. Think Planet of the Apes. I voted for as many non-R non-D as I could. I had to choose the R over the D when no independent was available ... for the same reasons I voted for Obama over McCain or over Romney ... I don't vote for ...
When I voted for Obama, it wasn't because of the D after his name, but in spite of it.
My default is Demo. Never, ever a Repub. Once upon a time, that was not the case. I would, every now and again, vote independent or Rep. Now, all repubs represent evil--yeah, 100%. So, I consider the issues and who represents those issues I care about. If an independent represents those then I vote for them; otherwise I default to a Demo.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
My default is Demo. Never, ever a Repub. Once upon a time, that was not the case. I would, every now and again, vote independent or Rep. Now, all repubs represent evil--yeah, 100%. So, I consider the issues and who represents those issues I care about. If an independent represents those then I vote for them; otherwise I default to a Demo.
I did that once, then stopped voting. I didn't like myself that way. I understand that demonizing an opposition is what you do before war and genocide. I can see genocide coming to the US.
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 11:43:40 AM
I did that once, then stopped voting. I didn't like myself that way. I understand that demonizing an opposition is what you do before war and genocide. I can see genocide coming to the US.
Yeah, so can I.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
I know it is popular in some circles to think Trump will be defeated in a few days. I predict that the Repubs will retain control of both houses and that Trump will be reelected in two years. I don't see much hope for this country; and it seems to be a sickness that is creeping around the world.
I think so, as well, but I'm a pessimist, so I always expect the worst. Occasionally the worst doesn't happen, and I can be glad I was wrong. I
really hope I'm wrong in this case! I hope we don't see a terrorism style of civil war, which seems to have already begun. Whatever happens, I don't expect it to be good for this country.
War in general, and civil war in particular, are never good ideas. But people keep turning to it again and again ;-(
Americans could stick together better, with an external enemy like the Soviet Union. That is part of the reason for the "Russia, Russia" narrative. I seem to recall and Outer Limits episode about this ...
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 03, 2018, 11:35:20 AM
My default is Demo. Never, ever a Repub. Once upon a time, that was not the case. I would, every now and again, vote independent or Rep. Now, all repubs represent evil--yeah, 100%. So, I consider the issues and who represents those issues I care about. If an independent represents those then I vote for them; otherwise I default to a Demo.
I swore never to vote for another Republican during the attempted
coup d'état against President Clinton -- not only do I remain unconvinced that articles of impeachment brought by a lame duck House even need to be considered by a Senate of the next Congress, but the standing ovation that then-chairman (and professional class hypocrite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Hyde#Extramarital_affair))
Edward Henry Hyde and the Repubs on the Judiciary Committee gave Witchhunter General Starr at the end of his testimony was the most revoltingly partisan display I had ever seen, up to that point. Especially if you're old enough to remember the way Pete Rodino ran the Judiciary Committee during Watergate. The Republicans clearly had no interest in unearthing the facts -- they wanted revenge on a President they were unable to defeat in two elections, no more, no less.
That doesn't mean I will always vote for the Democrat, but I will withhold my vote in specific races if there's no acceptable alternative.
Democrats want revenge too. That is what Hitler wanted against GB and France. So noble a motivation. Is that any different than KKK who want revenge for the US Civil War?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZD_xyAjC-E
Yawn ... broken promises of every slime ball politician ever. Have you ever read H L Mencken? Now there was a newspaper man ...
"A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar."
"Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods."
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
But ... wishing everyone a happy day. I want everyone to be successful and happy, though I now it won't happen, because I know people work a cross purposes. For Americans ... go vote if you haven't already. Be a good sport, and don't be too upset if your candidate looses or too arrogant if your candidate wins. Unlike some others on the Internet, I don't feed on liberal tears, or conservative ones either.
Quote from: Baruch on November 06, 2018, 12:52:38 PM
But ... wishing everyone a happy day. I want everyone to be successful and happy, though I now it won't happen, because I know people work a cross purposes. For Americans ... go vote if you haven't already. Be a good sport, and don't be too upset if your candidate looses or too arrogant if your candidate wins. Unlike some others on the Internet, I don't feed on liberal tears, or conservative ones either.
well said. whatever happens happens
Today will be the day the US of A will cement it's claim to the stupidest people in the world. To be clear. The dems will win more seats, but the repubs will retain control of both houses--throw in the presidency and the supreme court and the agents of the 1% and the religious will have free reign over what is left of the govt.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2018, 01:18:15 PM
The dems will win more seats, but the repubs will retain control of both houses--throw in the presidency and the supreme court and the agents of the 1% and the religious will have free reign over what is left of the govt.
https://youtu.be/WH1NihRN5cU
I'll just mark this under Trump, since it ties into his strong armed tactics...
In El Paso, ICE and Border Patrol have been gathering around polling centres to try and intimidate Hispanics from voting.
I have heard it said the U.N. needs to start getting involved and overseeing our elections, and I agree with that whole-heartedly. We also just recently had some issues with our machines changing votes, which hurt both sides.
Elections are a fucking joke; hundreds of thousands of people being purged (they just coincidently are overwhelmingly minorities), untrustworthy machines, the person with less votes winning... I voted this year, and have in every election I could, but it's reaching the point where even I question if voting actually matters. It seems like if it still does, they are finding any way they can to make sure it doesn't.
The powers that be have gotten very tired of having to bow to the voters of this country, and would like nothing better than to do away with voting completely. They may soon get their way.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2018, 01:18:15 PM
Today will be the day the US of A will cement it's claim to the stupidest people in the world. To be clear. The dems will win more seats, but the repubs will retain control of both houses--throw in the presidency and the supreme court and the agents of the 1% and the religious will have free reign over what is left of the govt.
Try not to have a fit over things you can't control. You aren't the commissar in charge of one party elections ... yet. But you could do worse than my precinct if someone would just make you dictator ...
As I IMed before ... some precincts allow early voting, with proper ID vetting of voters vs voter rolls (not many get past that). Just having a drivers license isn't enough to vote, you have to register weeks before. Properly made ballots, with proper tabulation. But the majority of precincts in the US suck, as do most of the states and counties, apparently. Local politics at its best.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2018, 04:25:01 PM
The powers that be have gotten very tired of having to bow to the voters of this country, and would like nothing better than to do away with voting completely. They may soon get their way.
I would second that. Then get rid of the American people, replace them with 100 million or so hard working Chinese. Send all the existing Americans to Venezuela. Once you have a Chinese America, with one party under Xi ... you can revive proper voting ;-)
I have to wonder what kind of voting Shiranu is complaining about. Letting people with no valid ID vote? Letting people not registered vote? I could hope not. As posted above, there have been solutions for this, from before 2000. Meanwhile the D party has been accused in Georgia of fixing things ...
Quote from: Baruch on November 06, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
Try not to have a fit over things you can't control.
This coming off your keyboard??? :)))) Okay...............................
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 06, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
This coming off your keyboard??? :)))) Okay...............................
I merely act as the walls for this echo chamber ... most of you like Blue Meanies, allergic to music. Nowhere man to the rescue!
Quote from: Baruch on November 06, 2018, 07:38:15 PM
Meanwhile the D party has been accused in Georgia of fixing things ...
Of course - the GOP always accuses its opponents (sans evidence) of doing exactly what it is already doing.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2018, 08:15:24 PM
Of course - the GOP always accuses its opponents (sans evidence) of doing exactly what it is already doing.
If both do it, ban both parties. As an Independent I would love to end y'alls reign of terror.
Trump must be crapping himself after the election. 2nd term looking less and less likely... Thankfully!
Quote from: James51 on November 07, 2018, 03:52:52 AM
Trump must be crapping himself after the election. 2nd term looking less and less likely... Thankfully!
Or it just means he's going to try and create an image of himself that will get more votes, while working out some more rigged systems behind the public image, now knowing the threat of losing
Quote from: Munch on November 07, 2018, 04:55:59 AM
Or it just means he's going to try and create an image of himself that will get more votes, while working out some more rigged systems behind the public image, now knowing the threat of losing
Trump had, and still has plenty of Rs who don't support him. We need JEB, we need JEB!
What's a Jeb, sounds like something you put on a horse
May be, he'll go with something like 'I wasn't impeached! See, I am totally awsome!'
And dat's a lot of gals, dems. Good job. Puhahahah. :)
I was wrong about the midterm. I did not really think the dems would take the house. Happy to be wrong in this instance.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 07, 2018, 08:42:50 AM
I was wrong about the midterm. I did not really think the dems would take the house. Happy to be wrong in this instance.
Right? So was I. I woke up at 7 smt in the morning, and found my phone in the dark to check,lol. I couldn't wait to turn on the comp. And shouted at mom from bed. :) We got up and watched the news.
It affected my whole day to be honest. I went out and made some shopping, which I needed but I couldn't find it in me for a few days now. Walked around, ate American fast food to celebrate. :p
Montana as 2 senators and only one representative. It's the first time I've seem Montana go all Republican. The Democratic Senator lost by a hair. It was something like 49.9% to 49.2%. Republicans losing the House didn't surprise me. The Congress usually drifts in a direction to oppose a sitting president. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I know of none off the top of my head. Life goes on.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 07, 2018, 11:14:42 AM
Right? So was I. I woke up at 7 smt in the morning, and found my phone in the dark to check,lol. I couldn't wait to turn on the comp. And shouted at mom from bed. :) We got up and watched the news.
It affected my whole day to be honest. I went out and made some shopping, which I needed but I couldn't find it in me for a few days now. Walked around, ate American fast food to celebrate. :p
I was braced for a glum next two years. But was pleasantly surprised (hasn't happened for quite some time with politics)--it does make today much brighter. Hope I'm not just setting myself up for more disappointments in the future. :) Another surprise--many, many more women winning seats, which I take as another good sign. So, Shoe, happy day!!
Quote from: SGOS on November 07, 2018, 11:53:26 AM
Montana as 2 senators and only one representative. It's the first time I've seem Montana go all Republican. The Democratic Senator lost by a hair. It was something like 49.9% to 49.2%. Republicans losing the House didn't surprise me. The Congress usually drifts in a direction to oppose a sitting president. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I know of none off the top of my head. Life goes on.
"It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -Calvin Coolidge
This is why a divided Congress is a good thing.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 07, 2018, 12:02:29 PM
I was braced for a glum next two years. But was pleasantly surprised (hasn't happened for quite some time with politics)--it does make today much brighter. Hope I'm not just setting myself up for more disappointments in the future. :) Another surprise--many, many more women winning seats, which I take as another good sign. So, Shoe, happy day!!
Happy day, sweety. Hugs. :)
I look forward to his book Mein Kampf mit der Vernunft.
I know I'm suppose to be excited, but...
Republicans GAINED three seats in the Senate. They elected, in multiple states, representatives who are more inline with Trumpian ideology than against it. It just seems like those partisan lines are getting thicker and thicker, and the Republicans view this as a victory, even if they lost the House.
This was an election that was suppose to be stacked against the Republicans, and they came out on top... and not just that, the Republican party has shifted further inline with Trumpism than against it.
That said... Colorado elected an openly gay, Jewish progressive and I have been looking at moving to Colorado so... that's pretty dope. And a Somali-Muslim woman, and a Palestinian woman (as well as an Iranian-American in Florida and an Afghani-American)... as well as the two first Native American representatives, one in my home state, won. As a whole, the Democratic Party shifted to actually represent Democrats' demographics, and that is amazing... but it still seems America as a whole has not embraced that and it's still a country for, of and by old white people.
All I really see is that the government now even more accurately represents just how divided the country is, and I don't think that partisanship is a good thing.
Edit: Of course, I also live in a State that, even if it was just by a whisker, chose blatant, expressed bigotry and hatred over a candidate who literally visited left, right, and middle of the political spectrum and of the State and promised to work for everyone, regardless of their political orientation.... so I am living right in the heart of American partisanship it seems and that probably skews my outlook a bit.
This will certainly make for an interesting next couple of years. The Republicans will not roll over and play dead, you can be sure of that.
I hope we can finally stop hearing about the "caravan" from Trump, now that the elections are done.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 07, 2018, 01:15:30 PM
I know I'm suppose to be excited, but...
Republicans GAINED three seats in the Senate. They elected, in multiple states, representatives who are more inline with Trumpian ideology than against it. It just seems like those partisan lines are getting thicker and thicker, and the Republicans view this as a victory, even if they lost the House.
This was an election that was suppose to be stacked against the Republicans, and they came out on top... and not just that, the Republican party has shifted further inline with Trumpism than against it.
You are right. Do you know why the first thing I did in the morning was to check American midterm elections? It's not because I was curious or wanted to be informed. Or not because I love it, almost as much as I love to blame it for evereything in the world. It's because what happens in the US, what comes between a monkey's lips, determines the price of food I can afford daily. And the point we arrived over here is so dark, at this point I am so fucking exhausted, I am happy seeing some sort of a change, even the slightest. Some sort of a fight.
And this one turned out OK. Much better than I expected honestly. And he is afraid, I don't care who says what. I know him, we have one here. And I love that.
He is going to get the second term. In my opinion. World has seen much worse, sweety. You know that. For now, that is. It's exactly like in that video Unbeliever posted and Munch called ageist, and apparently nobody took seriously,lol. We are quite a few generations of whiners, not doers. And we'll get what we deserve.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 07, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
I hope we can finally stop hearing about the "caravan" from Trump, now that the elections are done.
Soros planned it, but Soros is a fellow billionaire.
Now we need World War III and a draft. Just rid ourselves of Millennials?
Quote from: James51 on November 07, 2018, 03:52:52 AM
Trump must be crapping himself after the election. 2nd term looking less and less likely... Thankfully!
Well, that remains to be seen. The results were closer than the polling indicated they would be. What remains to be seen is whether there's a fault in the way polling is done (unlikely but not impossible -- it's not a hard science like physics or chemistry, but neither is it bullshit like astrology), or whether Trumpsters are either refusing to answer or lying to pollsters, just as a matter of fucking with "the system", or whether there's been skulduggery with voting machines.
I am inclined to thinking most of it is Trumpsters refusing, or screwing with, pollsters â€" with just a
soupçon of deliberately screwing over Democratic strongholds, you know, just happening to forget to send the power cords along with the machines (only to polling places in mostly Democratic areas, isn't it funny how that works out) and selectively purging voter rolls (https://www.wired.com/story/georgia-voting-machine-issues-heighten-scrutiny-brian-kemp/) or posting signs that read "Don't vote for Democrats on Tuesday and sing 'Oh how I love Jesus' on Sunday" in churches serving as polling places (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/11/06/elections-2018-florida-church-discourages-voting-democrats/1911606002/).
FWIW, I don't think churches should be used as polling places. The poll workers at my local are excellent, but there's some creepy past pastor worship going on in there â€" seriously, the paintings of the previous pastors are bigger than the crucifixes, and all of them are painted in exactly the same pose.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 07, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
I look forward to his book Mein Kampf mit der Vernunft.
Is that you, Chancellor Merkel?
Quote from: Baruch on November 03, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Maybe. I dred elections now. Someone will be disappointed. Will they start a civil war? Democrats do. Just one step closer to elections being banned, replaced by dictatorship. And yes, you are partisan ... as are most other people. I am not in this sense, I hate inhumanity, which seems to be brought to the fore by politics. The center cannot hold, as long as the wings find it profitable to divide and disintegrate the US.
The center has not held. We are in a partisan era, mostly by Republicans moving farther to the Right each election cycle. As far as I can tell, the Democrats are pretty much where they were 40 years ago.
The idea that just because the parties are farther apart shows they are both moving away from "center" is a false equivalency. If I stay where I am standing and another person moves farther away, that doesn't mean that I moved.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 02:16:10 AM
The center has not held. We are in a partisan era, mostly by Republicans moving farther to the Right each election cycle. As far as I can tell, the Democrats are pretty much where they were 40 years ago.
The idea that just because the parties are farther apart shows they are both moving away from "center" is a false equivalency. If I stay where I am standing and another person moves farther away, that doesn't mean that I moved.
Hm ... 40 years ago they were into "why did McGovern lose". How did you turn out on the 8values poll some of us took awhile back? Anarchist? Bloodthirsty Revolutionary? Bloodthirsty Reactionary? Just kidding. Most people here who did, and who admitted their results, were moderate to hard Left.
It isn't just about the Republicans. They are 1/3 of the electorate. The problem for both parties is they have lost the middle 1/3. I saw nothing partisan I wanted to support 2 years ago, and also this election. DNC and RNC continue to play with the band on the USA Titanic.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 02:16:10 AM
The center has not held. We are in a partisan era, mostly by Republicans moving farther to the Right each election cycle. As far as I can tell, the Democrats are pretty much where they were 40 years ago.
The idea that just because the parties are farther apart shows they are both moving away from "center" is a false equivalency. If I stay where I am standing and another person moves farther away, that doesn't mean that I moved.
I doubt that voters change their values much. Moving to the right happens at the decision making level, and has little to do with voters.
Quote from: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 02:52:56 AM
Hm ... 40 years ago they were into "why did McGovern lose". How did you turn out on the 8values poll some of us took awhile back? Anarchist? Bloodthirsty Revolutionary? Bloodthirsty Reactionary? Just kidding. Most people here who did, and who admitted their results, were moderate to hard Left.
It isn't just about the Republicans. They are 1/3 of the electorate. The problem for both parties is they have lost the middle 1/3. I saw nothing partisan I wanted to support 2 years ago, and also this election. DNC and RNC continue to play with the band on the USA Titanic.
I came out on the survey right on Bernie Sanders' forehead. I'm dead-enter Libertarian/Left. But that's my personal view for an idealized universe of people just like me. Since the world is (sadly) not all "just like me", I think some accomodations have to be made.
Let's just say that if Trump had a fatal heart attack, I wouldn't mourn much...
I would like to think of myself as an independent voter. But every time I have to make a choice, I end up with a Democrat. If Republicans weren't so damn MEAN and anti all-people-vote all the time, I would consider them more.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 07:01:31 AM
I came out on the survey right on Bernie Sanders' forehead. I'm dead-enter Libertarian/Left. But that's my personal view for an idealized universe of people just like me. Since the world is (sadly) not all "just like me", I think some accomodations have to be made.
Let's just say that if Trump had a fatal heart attack, I wouldn't mourn much...
I would like to think of myself as an independent voter. But every time I have to make a choice, I end up with a Democrat. If Republicans weren't so damn MEAN and anti all-people-vote all the time, I would consider them more.
Sort of answered the question. Nothing wrong with the answer. I wouldn't mind if all the D and R party officials dropped dead. Myself .. I would end up with an independent candidate each time. I can no longer consider either D or R, as first choice, ever again. They have burned their bridges.
Quote from: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 12:54:10 PM
Sort of answered the question. Nothing wrong with the answer. I wouldn't mind if all the D and R party officials dropped dead. Myself .. I would end up with an independent candidate each time. I can no longer consider either D or R, as first choice, ever again. They have burned their bridges.
Name the Independent candidates (non R or D) you have actually voted for.
I voted for Anderson in 1980.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 12:57:43 PM
Name the Independent candidates (non R or D) you have actually voted for.
I voted for Anderson in 1980.
You are older than me .. so not Cotton Mather?
No national office. State office gives you my location. It is enough to say I was surprised how many Independents filed. I voted Independent for both Governor and Lt Governor for example.
In the past I wouldn't vote independent, that has only happened in 2008 and on.
Quote from: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 01:05:47 PM
You are older than me .. so not Cotton Mather?
No national office. State office gives you my location. It is enough to say I was surprised how many Independents filed. I voted Independent for both Governor and Lt Governor for example.
In the past I wouldn't vote independent, that has only happened in 2008 and on.
On might wonder about Mather's Remarkable Providences...
Are you from Maine? NH?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 01:24:01 PM
On might wonder about Mather's Remarkable Providences...
Are you from Maine? NH?
I know a Mr Main ... but I don't know which state he is from. He is in charge of military/civilian training in our unit.
Never got closer than Kennedy International.
Quote from: Baruch on November 09, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
I know a Mr Main ... but I don't know which state he is from. He is in charge of military/civilian training in our unit.
Never got closer than Kennedy International.
The State you are in is the state you are in. I don't really care.
Dropped Cotton like a rock, didn't you?
Trump's trying to remove the cataracts from the eyes of Justice. He doesn't just believe he's above the law, he believes that, for him, no law exists.
Wow, I just found out that Matt Whitaker, the acting attorney general, believes judges should have a "biblical view of justice"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/matthew-whitaker-acting-attorney-general-judges-christian
“Because natural law is often used from the eye of the beholder, if you will,†Whitaker said. “I’d like to see things like their world view. What informs them? How have they lived their life? Are they people of faith? Do they have a biblical view of justice? Which I think is very important.â€
“What I know is that as long as they have that worldview, that they’ll be a good judge. And if they have a secular worldview, that ‘this is all we have here on Earth’, then I’m going to be very concerned about how they judge.â€
I still think the right is trying to turn America into a theocracy, and this is just one step more in that direction.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 09, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Trump's trying to remove the cataracts from the eyes of Justice. He doesn't just believe he's above the law, he believes that, for him, no law exists.
The law has to be blind. It is written by politicians.
You know the Guardian is a communist rag, right?
I like the judges Hitler used after the 1944 assassination attempt. They were certainly godless, unless you count Hitler as deity.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 09, 2018, 04:29:20 PM
I still think the right is trying to turn America into a theocracy, and this is just one step more in that direction.
The Talebangelical wing of the GOP is pushing that way. And the profit
über alles wing doesn't care as long as they can make a buck from it.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 09, 2018, 07:01:31 AM
Let's just say that if Trump had a fatal heart attack, I wouldn't mourn much...
I can give you two words that would make you mourn just a little: President Pence.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 09, 2018, 03:22:46 PM
Trump's trying to remove the cataracts from the eyes of Justice. He doesn't just believe he's above the law, he believes that, for him, no law exists.
Just like Nixon and Clinton. Civil War 2.0 now! Turn the internet over to China, to insure patriotism by algorithm.
Quote from: trdsf on November 10, 2018, 11:16:15 AM
The Talebangelical wing of the GOP is pushing that way. And the profit über alles wing doesn't care as long as they can make a buck from it.
Yep, in some people's universe, Pat Robertson became President in 1988. Why are all the parallel universes, dystopias?
If you hate money, give all you have away to the nearest atheist shelter.
Quote from: trdsf on November 10, 2018, 11:17:11 AM
I can give you two words that would make you mourn just a little: President Pence.
Let's consider Trump as a gibbering idiot orangutan and Pence as the mildly annoying web-footed wanna-be duck. Give me Pence. He would be chewed into mincemeat.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 07:38:08 AM
Let's consider Trump as a gibbering idiot orangutan and Pence as the mildly annoying web-footed wanna-be duck. Give me Pence. He would be chewed into mincemeat.
To consider trump as 'a gibbering idiot orangutan' is a disservice to the orangutan and not accurate. Trump has a plan and it has worked, as far as he is concerned, very very well. His goal is to amass as much wealth for he and his clan as he can. He cares nothing for this country; only in keeping his core happy so he can stay in power longer. He is the king of chaos and he uses it very well. He knows what he wants and has effectively thrown up a smoke screen of chaos that allows him to do his stuff in the background. The only kink so far has been this election. My only hope is that he loses enough of his base that he is finally toppled from power. But I still think he would win re-election again if he were to run today. My country is more stupid and nationalistic than I had ever imagined.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 14, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
To consider trump as 'a gibbering idiot orangutan' is a disservice to the orangutan and not accurate. Trump has a plan and it has worked, as far as he is concerned, very very well. His goal is to amass as much wealth for he and his clan as he can. He cares nothing for this country; only in keeping his core happy so he can stay in power longer. He is the king of chaos and he uses it very well. He knows what he wants and has effectively thrown up a smoke screen of chaos that allows him to do his stuff in the background. The only kink so far has been this election. My only hope is that he loses enough of his base that he is finally toppled from power. But I still think he would win re-election again if he were to run today. My country is more stupid and nationalistic than I had ever imagined.
My apologies to the orang-u-tan. The hair confused me. The orang-u-tan has a much more lively expression in the eyes, a reasonably developed sense of neighborliness, and doesn't bother anyone.
TDS 24/7. Whatever gets you to sleep at nights.
Only 6 years to go.
BTW, Hillary Clinton is thinking to run 2020 for president. Don't let her down! Third time lucky.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5VP5nuLVCI
Hillary Clinton can suck dick
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 14, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Hillary Clinton can suck dick
She has outsourced that task to Monica Lewinsky.
Hillary Clinton would surely have made a better President them The Donald. She wouldn't have alienated our allies, would have put honest and mission-oriented people in Secretary positions (as opposed to people abusing the public trust), and certainly would have organized intelligent reactions to Russian and Chinese cyberattacks.
Her marital relations with Bill are irrelevant. That is between them and not a matter of governance.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 12:10:32 PM
Hillary Clinton would surely have made a better President them The Donald. She wouldn't have alienated our allies, would have put honest and mission-oriented people in Secretary positions (as opposed to people abusing the public trust), and certainly would have organized intelligent reactions to Russian and Chinese cyberattacks.
Her marital relations with Bill are irrelevant. That is between them and not a matter of governance.
Hitler or Stalin would have made a better US President .. since 1960. This world is coming to and end soon. The Bilderbergers have decreed it.
And on sex mania and adultery ... try to explain your position to any board of inquiry regarding access to classified information. I have to say ... JFK did deserve to be deposed ... but I wouldn't have shot his dick off. Same with Bill Clinton. The Senate had their chance, and blew off someone ... in the men's room.
Quote from: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 12:58:23 PM
Hitler or Stalin would have made a better US President .. since 1960. This world is coming to and end soon. The Bilderbergers have decreed it.
Please include me in your pre-ascension Will. I'll be around to collect. And I will thank you in my non-prayers.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 14, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Hillary Clinton can suck dick
CIA says ... you will put the Clintons and the Bushes into glass coffins as your forever dynasties ... ala Beijing and Moscow.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 07:38:08 AM
Let's consider Trump as a gibbering idiot orangutan and Pence as the mildly annoying web-footed wanna-be duck. Give me Pence. He would be chewed into mincemeat.
Ha ... Pence will put all the gays in a woodchopper ;-( Don't even think it. You would like an American Ayatollah ... huh? How New England of you.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 03:10:19 PM
Please include me in your pre-ascension Will. I'll be around to collect. And I will thank you in my non-prayers.
Political science classes in hippie land (college) ... rotted your common sense. You would have access to classified information, and violate every covenant that grants you access, to be more edgy? Hey look at me, Edward Snowden, before Edward Snowden was even born? And no, having access to that stuff ... is not a good thing. Best to not have a job requirement for it, believe me.
Or all you deviants just jealous that you have fewer lovers than ... Wilt Chamberlain? Neither JFK nor Bill, can even cast a shadow compared to that dick.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 14, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Hillary Clinton can suck dick
I suspect that is what drove Bill to be a satyr (male nymphomaniac). He realized that both of her ends had teeth.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 03:10:19 PM
Please include me in your pre-ascension Will. I'll be around to collect. And I will thank you in my non-prayers.
Only Republicans leave bequests to self admitted millionaires.
Quote from: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
Ha ... Pence will put all the gays in a woodchopper. Don't even think it. You would like an American Ayatollah ... huh?
Ahaha. Netflix are always making propaganda in favour of gays, lesbians, LGBT etc. :D
I think this is a political thing to normalise LGBT...
Besides i must indicate that i don't think beign gay is not normal.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on November 14, 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Ahaha. Netflix are always making propaganda in favour of gays, lesbians, LGBT etc. :D
I think this is a political thing to normalise LGBT...
Besides i must indicate that i don't think beign gay is not normal.
There are good gay people, of course. Even good normies. I don't have a problem, for example, with psychopathic lesbians ... it is the psychopathic part that worries me, not the lesbian part.
I don't mind if people normalize furries ... just don't expect many people to appreciate your public exhibitionism.
Quote from: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 07:59:50 PM
There are good gay people, of course. Even good normies. I don't have a problem, for example, with psychopathic lesbians ... it is the psychopathic part that worries me, not the lesbian part.
I don't mind if people normalize furries ... just don't expect many people to appreciate your public exhibitionism.
If we are living in a society that appreciates free speech, exhibitionism wouldn't be a problem.
But i appreciate that the society in which we live may lead a man that exhibits his thinks openly, to be subjected bad things...
For instance, to freely say i am an atheist in Turkey and -as far as i understand in the USA- can causes one to be subjected public lynch...
whatever. Netflix is a monopolic firm and the scenarists is on the right track to shape the humans' mind...
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on November 14, 2018, 08:10:31 PM
If we are living in a society that appreciates free speech, exhibitionism wouldn't be a problem.
But i appreciate that the society in which we live may lead a man that exhibits his thinks openly, to be subjected bad things...
For instance, to freely say i am an atheist in Turkey and -as far as i understand in the USA- can causes one to be subjected public lynch...
whatever. Netflix is a monopolic firm and the scenarists is on the right track to shape the humans' mind...
If you want to make love ... to another man's wife, while he watches, but he doesn't like it, in a country that allows crimes of passion ... then you have problems my friend. There is no free speech, unless you have the money to pay for it.
Quote from: Baruch on November 14, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
If you want to make love ... to another man's wife, while he watches, but he doesn't like it, in a country that allows crimes of passion ... then you have problems my friend. There is no free speech, unless you have the money to pay for it.
I was thinking when i was younger the USA was being administired by what the constitution orders...
But the reality is that the people who have the money actually orders, like you rightly indicate.
now i am crying while i am learning more and more about how things are on progress in the world...
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on November 14, 2018, 08:27:55 PM
I was thinking when i was younger the USA was being administired by what the constitution orders...
But the reality is that the people who have the money actually orders, like you rightly indicate.
now i am crying while i am learning more and more about how things are on progress in the world...
What doesn't Khashoggi you, makes you stronger. Be strong. You can't survive in the jungle without it.
I thought the US was wonderful when I was a child. Even though I was close in time to WW II (parents and grandparents in it) I didn't hate Germans or Japanese. I still don't though they did nasty things. I just wasn't aware how nasty my own country was ... they don't teach that in school. I am just now getting to the point of forgiving the Americans too.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 14, 2018, 07:38:08 AM
Let's consider Trump as a gibbering idiot orangutan and Pence as the mildly annoying web-footed wanna-be duck. Give me Pence. He would be chewed into mincemeat.
Pence can put his Talebangelical aims into policy without looking like a snarling, childish moron, and has been in legislative and executive government long enough to know how to do it. He's genuinely the more dangerous of the two, certainly in terms of social policy. The Orange Disaster Area keeps getting in his own way and picking fights that don't need to be picked and managing to piss off strategic members of his own side; Ayatollah Pence would more likely not do that.
As much as I fear a continued Trump administration, I think a Pence administration would be far worse in the long run. I'd expect some version of A Handmaid's Tale. Even without a "President Pence," we may still be heading towards a theocracy. Too many influential factions are pushing hard to put Christianity's spokespersons in charge of the government.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 15, 2018, 01:27:54 PM
As much as I fear a continued Trump administration, I think a Pence administration would be far worse in the long run. I'd expect some version of A Handmaid's Tale. Even without a "President Pence," we may still be heading towards a theocracy. Too many influential factions are pushing hard to put Christianity's spokespersons in charge of the government.
First we kill the non-Believers ...
Then we kill the non-Christians ...
Then we kill the non-Catholics ...
Pope is happy. World is returned to circa 1500.
I am watching a piece of news right now. They are mocking his claim that people are voting in disguise. LOOL I didn't know that one.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 16, 2018, 03:59:06 AM
I am watching a piece of news right now. They are mocking his claim that people are voting in disguise. LOOL I didn't know that one.
People use disguise all the time. Make them vote naked ... particularly the pretty ones. All I get to see are little old ladies.
There are strange things with the voting boxes in Broward Country FL. Turkey isn't the only place that has crooked elections.
NO.
Looking forward to Trump ending all WH press conferences. A judge ruled he can't expel a particular reporter, for inappropriate behavior. He was inappropriate, out of control, even before he "accidentally" touched the aide, when she tried to grab the microphone. If the President can't pull a press pass ... ban all reporters from the WH. At least until an Obama judge rules that the President is completely powerless, even in the WH.
Wow, those F-35s are really stealthy - even right next to it, you can't see it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPm5xjsHKc
You are demonstrating just as much ignorance as the President. Running for office in 2020? The first stealth planes were in WW II, in Britain and Germany. Airplanes made with plywood and glue, less metal. That is what the Spruce Goose of Howard Hughes was all about. And no, only Harry Potter has a cloak of invisibility.
Melania says: be bestial.
I keep wondering whether keeping Trump as President is better in the long run (to 2020 elections where he might be cast out) vs the damage he can do to our world relationships until then and considering that Pence might win in 2020 if Trump is impeached and convicted.
It is not an easy thing to evaluate. Trump IS an international embarrassment and diplomatic disaster, but perhaps keeping him in office until 2020 would be better.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 17, 2018, 12:01:35 AM
I keep wondering whether keeping Trump as President is better in the long run (to 2020 elections where he might be cast out) vs the damage he can do to our world relationships until then and considering that Pence might win in 2020 if Trump is impeached and convicted.
It is not an easy thing to evaluate. Trump IS an international embarrassment and diplomatic disaster, but perhaps keeping him in office until 2020 would be better.
Should have made Jimmy Carter President-for-Life.
Quote from: Cavebear on November 17, 2018, 12:01:35 AM
I keep wondering whether keeping Trump as President is better in the long run (to 2020 elections where he might be cast out) vs the damage he can do to our world relationships until then and considering that Pence might win in 2020 if Trump is impeached and convicted.
It is not an easy thing to evaluate. Trump IS an international embarrassment and diplomatic disaster, but perhaps keeping him in office until 2020 would be better.
Barring a 'smoking gun' piece of evidence, there's no conviction possible -- and even
with that kind of evidence, I expect the Republicans would go out of their way to pretend it didn't exist. I mean, at this point, it feels like it's only a matter of time before the Orange Disaster Area
does shoot a guy on 5th Avenue (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/opinion/trump-midterms-shoot-fifth-avenue.html)... and Congressional Republicans will continue to make excuses for him and look the other way and pretend nothing happened.
Actually, I doubt Trump could figure out how to fire a gun, so I think the denizens of 5th Ave. can feel safe.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 17, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
Actually, I doubt Trump could figure out how to fire a gun, so I think the denizens of 5th Ave. can feel safe.
True. He's more likely to hire someone to be a ghost-shooter for him, and then claim the credit himself.
https://youtu.be/KNCJCnHGHKM
This is very interesting, with a lot of food for thought:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ZEY_c1e8Q
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/edward-j-watts/mortal-republic/
QuoteWhat killed the Roman Republic? It wasn’t plague, external enemies, civil war, or corruption, although all of those things played a role. No, writes Watts (Chair, History/Univ. of California, San Diego; Hypatia: The Life and Legend of an Ancient Philosopher, 2017, etc.), author of the superb The Final Pagan Generation (2015). What killed the Republic was its electorate. “A republic is not an organism,†he writes, meaningfully. “It has no natural life span. It lives or dies solely on the basis of choices made by those in charge of its custody.†That electorate chose to trade the freedoms and responsibilities of representative government for the security of the Pax Augusta, for “they came to believe that freedom from oppression could only exist in a polity controlled by one man.†Watts chronicles the death as one by which the ambitions of would-be rulers, bribes offered and accepted, and votes bought and sold all contributed to the arrival of imperial and totalitarian rule. The seeds of destruction had been scattered long before the fact. As the author writes, for instance, even Rome at its height was no stranger to scandals, in one case requiring the unheard-of executions of three Vestal Virgins whose behavior had not, in fact, been appropriately virginal. Still, better angels often spoke, as when Pompey and Crassus, political foes on the brink of civil war, agreed to follow the rules such that “the most powerful men in the Roman state clearly specified that they trusted the system to protect them from their rivals and to allow them to compete fairly within the rules it set." Given that mistrust of institutions is a key ingredient in the collapse of republican rule, as we are witnessing daily, the lesson is pointed.
QuotePulitzer Prize-winning reporter David Cay Johnston may know Donald Trump better than any other working journalist, having first profiled the forty-fifth president in 1988 and tracked him ever since. He was the first to write about a potential Trump presidency when Trump announced his campaign in June 2015, and we turn to him now for a comprehensive examination of the first one hundred days of Donald Trump’s presidency in his book 'It’s Even Worse Than You Think: What the Trump Administration Is Doing to America'. He provides unique insight about the actions the new administration is quietly approving without drawing the attention of the Washington press corps, and examines phenomena the mainstream press stopped covering years ago. Join Johnston for a deep exposition of the workings of federal government agencies as they affect the lives of all Americans: from our wallets, to our health care, to our safety.
David Cay Johnston is a journalist, author, and winner of the 2001 Pulitzer Prize for Beat Reporting. He has chronicled Donald Trump’s conduct in his books: Temples of Chance and the New York Times bestseller The Making of Donald Trump. He has been called “One of America’s most important journalists†by The Washington Monthly, and he has acted as an uncredited source of documents and insight for major campaign reports by The Washington Post, The New York Times, Bloomberg, and network television.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azck1jY79cA
It's good to hear people that really know what they're talking about.
But does he consider Barak or Hillary to be gods? That would pretty much discount anything he has to say to me. You are not a true Democrat unless you believe in the apotheosis of DNC vermin. So atheists are not true Democrats.
And the video is way too long. Watched the first minute only. Tired after work.
Besides, Pence is clearly the "acting" President ... like Cheney. Trump is the actor President like George W.
Pentagon says troops at US border to cost about $210 million (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/pentagon-says-troops-at-us-border-to-cost-about-210-million/2018/11/20/b8bbd0c6-ed12-11e8-8b47-bd0975fd6199_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.559d131cd5d8)
I'm starting to sympathize more and more with conservative outrage at wasteful federal spending. The problem is I don't think they truly understand what's wasteful and what's not - they seem particularly blind to wasteful spending when a "good, conservative guy" is in office.
QuoteOn Tuesday, Trump said he was sure the troops are happy to be on the border mission, even though it means being away from home over Thanksgiving.
(https://i.imgur.com/8KTtscB.jpg?fb)
Nuking Mexico is cheaper ... so why don't you penny pinchers advocate that? Politician in Cali suggested we use nuke against legal gun owners in the US!
Do you know that the military costs you ...
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
It isn't cheap. Cheapskates and pacifists unite!
Well, we all know how much Republicans hate government business being conducted over private emails, right?
Let's all wait for them to start chanting "Lock her up!" again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e7c14cedbe0).
While you're at it, lock him up too (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071).
And while we can't lock him up for this (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html), just how fucking stupid does he have to be before Republicans admit he's fucking stupid?
Quote from: trdsf on November 23, 2018, 04:05:56 PM
Well, we all know how much Republicans hate government business being conducted over private emails, right?
Let's all wait for them to start chanting "Lock her up!" again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e7c14cedbe0).
While you're at it, lock him up too (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071).
And while we can't lock him up for this (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html), just how fucking stupid does he have to be before Republicans admit he's fucking stupid?
I agree, arrest anyone currently or formerly a government official who is using a private email system to circumvent the law (you must make all emails public property (to National Archives) if you are an Federal official.
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/court-rules-foia-can-apply-private-email-accounts
Its the law. How about arresting Obama/Hillary etc for subverting the election process in 2016? That is even more serious than Watergate. That and colluding with Russia on Uranium One and god knows how many other foreign powers, particularly Perfidious Albion (GB).
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/us/politics/private-email-trump-kushner-bannon.html
So yes, let's arrest them all, for violating the law. And no statute of limitations other than when the law changed to require FOIA.
But you have to prove, in a court of law, that official email/publication was subverted deliberately and consciously. An email to my mother, from work, if it ever happened, isn't considered egregious. In fact, I don't think it ever did happen.
All of my work emails are done on a government system. I am not a government official just a contractor. I can use it for limited non-work use. But none of it is private. And I must be careful, using my private email address, for anything work related ... because I can't legally do that. None of us can. So if I seriously talked about my job, on this forum, I would be violating the law (it isn't just email, but anything considered as a public record).
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 17, 2018, 01:23:47 PM
Actually, I doubt Trump could figure out how to fire a gun, so I think the denizens of 5th Ave. can feel safe.
How to properly use a gun...
Take apart the gun and clean it thoroughly.
Re-assemble it carefully.
Load the gun.
Look down the barrel carefully to examine it for loose grit.
Stick the barrel in your mouth.
Pull the trigger.
If you are dead, then the gun operated as designed...
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 01:00:16 AM
How to properly use a gun...
Take apart the gun and clean it thoroughly.
Re-assemble it carefully.
Load the gun.
Look down the barrel carefully to examine it for loose grit.
Pull the trigger.
If you are dead, the gun operated as designed...
Left coast (either one) would do that. They can't help being urban feral monkeys. People in flyover country have no problem with it.
Quote from: trdsf on November 23, 2018, 04:05:56 PM
Well, we all know how much Republicans hate government business being conducted over private emails, right?
Let's all wait for them to start chanting "Lock her up!" again (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ivanka-trump-used-a-personal-email-account-to-send-hundreds-of-emails-about-government-business-last-year/2018/11/19/6515d1e0-e7a1-11e8-a939-9469f1166f9d_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3e7c14cedbe0).
While you're at it, lock him up too (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/24/jared-kushner-private-email-white-house-243071).
And while we can't lock him up for this (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/us/politics/trump-phone-security.html), just how fucking stupid does he have to be before Republicans admit he's fucking stupid?
At least a few Republicans have admitted he's stupid, and have even left the party. I don't know how many, though, and certainly it's not nearly enough.
Quote from: Green Bottle on November 18, 2018, 03:01:06 PM
https://youtu.be/KNCJCnHGHKM
Oh well, who would pay attention to her? She can't even speak right American. ;)
Yeah, but she's fun to listen to!
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 01:39:53 PM
At least a few Republicans have admitted he's stupid, and have even left the party. I don't know how many, though, and certainly it's not nearly enough.
LOCK THEM UP, LOCK THEM UP...Yeah, I know that's stupid, but it would be fair play. Fortunately, most of us don't play that schoolyard game.
Have you noticed that the only Republicans who criticize Trump are those who are retiring or been ousted from office? And even THEY are cautious because his tweets could ruin their new lobbyist job?
A truly functional government will depend on those who owe Trump nothing.
I hope there will soon come a time when all those rabid Trump fans will realize they've been had for a song. Maybe then we'll get things back to "normal."
But I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 02:01:15 PM
I hope there will soon come a time when all those rabid Trump fans will realize they've been had for a song. Maybe then we'll get things back to "normal."
But I won't hold my breath.
I won't hold my breath. Those Trump fanatics will die of old age thinking they were right.
The problem is that Trump's supporters are basically the stupidest people in the nation and we only learned in 2016 how many of them there really are. They are the ones who didn't graduate from high school or did and shouldn't have, the angered and stupid, the conspiracy-theorists, the loons who talk to God on the sidewalks, the people who think that mere evolutionary skin-color adaptations (aka "race") matters, who are convinced everyone is out to get them, who fear change in their small hard lives (and I know about that), and who have 20 years of inedible dried food in a garage.
I'm really more afraid of them than I am Trump. Trump will be re-elected or not and he will be gone one way or another in the normal course of politics.
But they will remain...
Sounds like a horror movie! The next Republican wanna-be-dictator that comes along after Trump may be able to harness the power of the deplorables even better than Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
Sounds like a horror movie! The next Republican wanna-be-dictator that comes along after Trump may be able to harness to power of the deplorables even better than Trump.
Or harness the Zombie Hillary, or the Commie Bernie? The E and W coast of the US ... large populations of liberals, convenient nuclear targets (yes, not just for threatening US citizens for not turning over our guns (see recent California politician).
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 24, 2018, 02:23:31 PM
Sounds like a horror movie! The next Republican wanna-be-dictator that comes along after Trump may be able to harness to power of the deplorables even better than Trump.
Every politician learns from the previous successful ones. It's possible. I'm not amazed by school yard bullies. They all learned it from a previous one. What I wonder about is who was the first one...
I wonder which person will model Trump but do it smoother and better if we don't stop it now?
Quote from: Cavebear on November 24, 2018, 02:36:25 PM
Every politician learns from the previous successful ones. It's possible. I'm not amazed by school yard bullies. They all learned it from a previous one. What I wonder about is who was the first one...
I wonder which person will model Trump but do it smoother and better if we don't stop it now?
Adam ...
There is no other person like Trump. We like smooth talking killers like Obama.
For those who think GHW Bush was a good president, here's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPYaQzTjho
Like any good President, Bush Sr was a good killer.
If you can't beat 'em, make 'em shut the hell up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0TDGoeq27k
Well, that is the Hatch Act ...
https://www.fda.gov/aboutfda/workingatfda/ethics/ucm071602.htm
For Federal employees and contractors ... we have limited rights (while at work). So you think you can simply not do your job, and campaign for candidate X, while at work? Or against a sitting President (who is CinC)? And for a military person, your political rights are even more restricted, because you are under discipline even when not on duty?
Off duty ... Federal non-uniform employees, and contractors can do what they want, so long as it isn't on government time and not with government supplies. Crossing the line? If you have the privilege of taking a government laptop home, to work form home ... you can't use that laptop for partisan activities. But you can buy your own computer, and use that.
Otherwise we have to have the spoils system .. the D party has to fire all R party employees when they come to power, and vice versa.
IMHO ... I don't support the notion of political rights in the first place, but that is a minority opinion. I support the notion of political obligations. I don't support rebels, revolutionaries, anarchists, assassins, criminals ... IMHO ... they have no rights.
“I have decided to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right. We do expect something in return. We expect to foster a conservative governing philosophy consisting of limited government and respect for traditional American virtues. We expect a return on our investment."
Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/betsy-devos-trumps-big-donor-education-secretary
The rich don't even need to pretend any more that they don't expect action for their money.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 04, 2018, 02:32:40 PM
“I have decided to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right. We do expect something in return. We expect to foster a conservative governing philosophy consisting of limited government and respect for traditional American virtues. We expect a return on our investment."
Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/betsy-devos-trumps-big-donor-education-secretary
The rich don't even need to pretend any more that they don't expect action for their money.
Well, the D party as %^%$&& education for 50 years now. It is the R party's turn. Of course any attempt at training monkeys will fail. It all ends in poo, anyway.
Trump thinks Cohen should serve a full, complete sentence, but he can barely even put together a full, complete sentence himself! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWVM62DjbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0JgrWQI6Go
Not as bad as you know, treason, but not exactly making a great impression with the other leaders.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 04, 2018, 02:32:40 PM
“I have decided to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right. We do expect something in return. We expect to foster a conservative governing philosophy consisting of limited government and respect for traditional American virtues. We expect a return on our investment."
Betsy DeVos, Secretary of Education
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/betsy-devos-trumps-big-donor-education-secretary
The rich don't even need to pretend any more that they don't expect action for their money.
I don't find it odd that some people seek power to accomplish their ideas. Some of the Trump appointees are true believers in their goals.
What I DO find odd is that they have such nutso ideas to begin with. Where do these people come from? Did they have weird family lives? Did they get bullied by some person they are seeking revenge upon? They are clearly nuts, so "something" must have gone wrong in their lives...
Anything D party wants ... nuts. Anything the DNC wants ... psycho. Anything Clintons/Obamas want ... just don't even go there.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 05, 2018, 04:53:44 AM
They are clearly nuts, so "something" must have gone wrong in their lives...
Yeah, nowadays they call it "affluenza."
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 05, 2018, 01:19:26 PM
Yeah, nowadays they call it "affluenza."
Maybe living in a dump as I do, and working full time ... means I am none of the deplorables. You are a very out, outlier.
Rex Tillerson on Trump (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-trump-undisciplined-doesnt-like-read-tries-do-illegal-things/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.d69d6bc3e218):
“What was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented Exxon Mobil corporation,†Tillerson said, was “to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, ‘This is what I believe.’"
Hmm, this sounds like a familiar song. Yet so far, it's been easy for Republicans to dismiss these sorts of claims as liberal character assassination. But Tillerson is hardly a liberal. Are they going to eventually acknowledge these claims as having some basis in reality or are they going to stick to their gut feeling that Dear Leader is wonderful to the very end?
Also, has Trump read a book this year? I'd even accept a novella at this point.
i prefer an illiterate but honest man, than a devil with a PhD. But then I am a small "d" democrat. Not an elitist. When I praise Machiavelli, I am being a devil's advocate.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 07, 2018, 12:28:54 PM
Also, has Trump read a book this year? I'd even accept a novella at this point.
I seriously doubt Trump's
ever read a book. I doubt he's even read a short story, much less a novella.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 01:12:27 PM
I seriously doubt Trump's ever read a book. I doubt he's even read a short story, much less a novella.
Runs in that crowd ... George W reading a kids book to kids while 9/11 happened?
Yeah, and I bet he didn't even have a pet goat!
I have decided that the Whiny Little Bitch should not be impeached. The goddamn GOP should be forced to ride this horse('s ass) in the next election. That is what the scumbags deserve.
The Republican party deserves to be disbanded and outlawed as the treasonous gang of thugs it is.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 07, 2018, 05:49:29 PM
The Republican party deserves to be disbanded and outlawed as the treasonous gang of thugs it is.
I agree. And let their treasonous partners, Democrats join them. Do you think Guantanamo is big enough to take both? All Americans are treasonous by nature ... except Independents of course ;-)
Nazis everywhere ... MSM and Hollywood present ... Attack of the Killer Tomato Republicans! Ree!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jth4yATniS4
The one about the Democrats being Communists ... should be a take off on "Attack of the Mushroom People" (tied with Attack of the Killer Tomatoes as worst movie of all time).
(https://i.imgur.com/bzNYqVj.jpg)
"He just tells it like it is!" - Trump personality cult
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 07, 2018, 12:28:54 PM
Rex Tillerson on Trump (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-trump-undisciplined-doesnt-like-read-tries-do-illegal-things/?noredirect=on&utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.d69d6bc3e218):
“What was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented Exxon Mobil corporation,†Tillerson said, was “to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, ‘This is what I believe.’"
Hmm, this sounds like a familiar song. Yet so far, it's been easy for Republicans to dismiss these sorts of claims as liberal character assassination. But Tillerson is hardly a liberal. Are they going to eventually acknowledge these claims as having some basis in reality or are they going to stick to their gut feeling that Dear Leader is wonderful to the very end?
Also, has Trump read a book this year? I'd even accept a novella at this point.
Well, he might have read "Dick, Jane, and Sally Run For Office". It has pictures... Beyond that, it has to be "Show me the MONEY"!
Quote from: Cavebear on December 09, 2018, 09:50:45 AM
Well, he might have read "Dick, Jane, and Sally Run For Office". It has pictures... Beyond that, it has to be "Show me the MONEY"!
Purify your soul, give all your money back to the government, from whence it came ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dziw2xDm95c
JFK's pattern with women, same as Bill Clinton's pattern with women.
There is no sort of equivalence between Trump and any previous president. But keep on believing there is, since you seem to need it so badly.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 10, 2018, 08:18:08 PM
There is no sort of equivalence between Trump and any previous president. But keep on believing there is, since you seem to need it so badly.
I suspect Trump is less good in bed. Neither JFK nor Bill Clinton had to buy off former lovers who were disappointed between the sheets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg58jADiZGI&t=207s
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/confession-judgment.asp
Now Trump says he'll be proud to shut the government down if he doesn't get the funding for his wall. I guess he's completely given up on Mexico paying for it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 12, 2018, 05:57:03 PM
Now Trump says he'll be proud to shut the government down if he doesn't get the funding for his wall. I guess he's completely given up on Mexico paying for it.
I am personally looking forward to a coup. But I expect to be disappointed. Even if we have a coup, the wrong persons will be shot. Stupid monkeys. King Julian would make a better ruler ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApuFuuCJc3s
That definitely moves me toward monarchy!
Yeah, San Diego is like that, lived there 1978-79.
NO COUP FOR YOU!
LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 12, 2018, 07:15:27 PM
NO COUP FOR YOU!
LOL
Speaking of Sacha Baron Cohen ... his Bruno character would make a good German ruler.
Yeah, a good German ruler could take measured action...
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 01:11:12 PM
Yeah, a good German ruler could take measured action...
But only in metric ;-) Yes, bring back Otto von Bismarck.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 12, 2018, 05:57:03 PM
Now Trump says he'll be proud to shut the government down if he doesn't get the funding for his wall.
Much to the joy of his fans, who earlier demanded nothing less than Mexico paying for it. If funding is such a problem, surely they can take up a private collection and would have no problem filling it to the brim. No doubt Donald himself would donate the bulk of his vast fortune for such a noble cause. Any fool need only gaze upon him to see that here is a man who prioritizes the welfare of his country over himself.
Yeah, I thought of that, but they don't want to use their own money, they want to take the money from "entitlements," so they can claim there's not enough money to pay for things that people really need.
Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/russian-maria-butina-pleads-guilty-in-effort-to-forge-kremlin-bond-with-us-conservatives/2018/12/13/c27f2d26-fe4f-11e8-ad40-cdfd0e0dd65a_story.html?utm_term=.0b3393584471)
QuoteA Russian gun rights activist pleaded guilty Thursday to conspiring with a senior Russian official to infiltrate the conservative movement in the United States as an agent for the Kremlin from 2015 until her arrest in July.
Maria Butina, 30, became the first Russian national convicted of seeking to influence U.S. policy in the run-up and through the 2016 election as a foreign agent, agreeing to cooperate in a plea deal with U.S. investigators in exchange for less prison time.
Butina admitted to working with an American political operative and under the direction of a former Russian senator and deputy governor of Russia’s central bank to forge bonds with officials at the National Rifle Association, conservative leaders, and 2016 U.S. presidential candidates, including Donald Trump, whose rise to the Oval Office she presciently predicted to her Russian contact.
Quote
Butina crossed paths with Trump in July 2015, when she asked the newly declared Republican candidate about Russia and sanctions at a public event in Las Vegas. “We get along with Putin,†Trump told Butina, referring to the Russian president. “I don’t think you’d need the sanctions.â€
Hmmm...
She worked as an operative for a Russian banker Aleksandr Torshin, who met with Donald Jr in 2016 (https://www.newsweek.com/alexander-torshin-donald-trump-jr-meeting-716095).
QuoteTorshin attended the NRA's convention every year between 2012 and 2016, occasionally with Butina at his side, and has met every NRA president since 2012. Through his connections to the group, Torshin was selected to be an election monitor during the 2012 US presidential election.
Torshin's twitter:
(https://i.imgur.com/XGyEgKF.png)
No collusion, you guys.
There never was any Russian "gun rights group," that was just a front to use as an excuse to get the NRA over to Moscow to plan their treason.
There are more holes in Trump's defense than in all his golf courses combined! LOL
QuoteJesse discusses Trump's intent to do away with the 14th Amendment protection of "birthright citizenship" through the unilateral (and UNCONSTITUTIONAL) use of Executive Order. Also talked about is the history of citizenship in this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yaY9xp3RuU
I'm telling you, the dumb fuck thinks he was elected "king" instead of president. It's bad enough having a tit-turd like that as president!
Yeah, even his wife sucks - and that's about all she's good for.
Apparently she was a professional.
She was a gold-digger, but at least she got what she wanted out of the deal.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Much to the joy of his fans, who earlier demanded nothing less than Mexico paying for it. If funding is such a problem, surely they can take up a private collection and would have no problem filling it to the brim. No doubt Donald himself would donate the bulk of his vast fortune for such a noble cause. Any fool need only gaze upon him to see that here is a man who prioritizes the welfare of his country over himself.
If you believe his stupid rhetoric, then you might as well have voted for him. I didn't.
There are no good Americans. Just ask Xi and Putin.
I would burn the Constitution myself, except it doesn't matter, and I hate wasting my time. As long as Americans can vote, there is no need for law.
Quote from: Baruch on December 13, 2018, 07:28:29 PM
I hate wasting my time.
All any of us can do is waste time. Life is a waste of time, but it can still be fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdyW48HlMKo
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2018, 07:54:11 PM
All any of us can do is waste time. Life is a waste of time, but it can still be fun.
Says Endorphin Man.
Trevor's God voice was great! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 14, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
Trevor's God voice was great! LOL
People are easily impressed by talking heads that live inside boxes.
I just want to know how closely Trump's orange prison jumpsuit will match his complexion.
He won't be able to die his hair so he'll revert to being a bald old bastard.
He'd better take asylum in Russia the next chance he gets.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 17, 2018, 01:24:58 PM
He'd better take asylum in Russia the next chance he gets.
Like Feinstein and Gore need to seek asylum in China? How in the trade war, any act against Trump (in new circumstances) is helping China?
Americans can't decide ... to treason over to Russia or over to China. Just nuke America already, nobody will miss it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/explain-the-chinese-spy-sen-feinstein/2018/08/09/0560ca60-9bfd-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e3b8ab984119
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 13, 2018, 01:39:13 PM
Much to the joy of his fans, who earlier demanded nothing less than Mexico paying for it. If funding is such a problem, surely they can take up a private collection and would have no problem filling it to the brim. No doubt Donald himself would donate the bulk of his vast fortune for such a noble cause. Any fool need only gaze upon him to see that here is a man who prioritizes the welfare of his country over himself.
Indeed, you have shown the true solution to all the Republican's demands about paying for The Wall. Since they love demanding that people pay for everything they use (National Parks, roads, gas), surely they would have no problem in demanding that those individuals who want a massive multi-thousand-mile wall pay for it themselves...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 01:52:31 AM
Indeed, you have shown the true solution to all the Republican's demands about paying for The Wall. Since they love demanding that people pay for everything they use (National Parks, roads, gas), surely they would have no problem in demanding that those individuals who want a massive multi-thousand-mile wall pay for it themselves...
This is a $1.5 billion wall vs a $5 billion wall. D-s have already compromised with total R evil ... bwaaha.
Shut down he government, and keep it shut down, permanently? The D-s are falling for it ...
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
Can we all say, "useful idiots"?
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2018, 07:13:12 AM
This is a $1.5 billion wall vs a $5 billion wall. D-s have already compromised with total R evil ... bwaaha.
Shut down he government, and keep it shut down, permanently? The D-s are falling for it ...
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
Can we all say, "useful idiots"?
Show me the $1.5 billion wall bill from the Democrats...
Trump wants a wall so badly, but now the walls are closing in on him - and there's no R2D2 to turn off the trash compactors.
Does Trump's threat to shut down the government, if he doesn't get funding for a wall, constitute blackmail? Is he trying to blackmail the American people?
Quote from: Cavebear on December 18, 2018, 08:35:43 AM
Show me the $1.5 billion wall bill from the Democrats...
Already funded in 2019 FY budget. Not a new item for January Congress.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
Does Trump's threat to shut down the government, if he doesn't get funding for a wall, constitute blackmail? Is he trying to blackmail the American people?
Not going far enough. He should de-citizen and exile most Americans ... to Cuba (Ds) or Somalia (Rs). All Ds and Rs are 5th columnists.
BTW - collusion isn't criminal, it is normal political and corporate behavior. If that is illegal, then politics and business are illegal.
Apparently Trump's foundation was a sham and a criminal organization all this time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlyLyaEGIak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENWW7-6J6UQ
Can anyone really claim to be surprised that the WLB is and always was a fucking crook?
There are about 100 million people in America that love the guy, no matter what he's done. They don't believe he's a crook, though, since they only listen to the right-wing echo chamber.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
There are about 100 million people in America that love the guy, no matter what he's done. They don't believe he's a crook, though, since they only listen to the right-wing echo chamber.
Pence is the real Hitler, Trump is just Mussolini?
Pence had a 40% approval rating as governor of fucking Indiana. I can't imagine where you get the absurd idea that he is some sort of political mastermind.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 19, 2018, 11:40:50 PM
Pence had a 40% approval rating as governor of fucking Indiana. I can't imagine where you get the absurd idea that he is some sort of political mastermind.
You keep putting words in my mouth. They don't all fit in yours?
Doesn't matter, when real martial law is declared. Pence is a tool, they all are. Aren't you a Soros tool?
No more ISIS in Syria? We're outa there!
Putin is a global puppet master, who's pulling on every string, even strings no one else can see. Trump is giving him what wants while there's still time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHl-2RF16e8
Dems hate withdrawal from Syria. Warmongers!
Trump wants to give Putin a Christmas present, so he'll give him Syria.
Of course, everyone's talking about Syria, and so have no time to talk about the lifting of sanctions on Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/sanctions-oleg-deripaska-russia-trump.html
QuoteAren't you a Soros tool?
I never met the man.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 20, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
I never met the man.
But Baruch needs his two minutes of hate. For him, Soros is Emmanuel Goldstein.
Well, another one bites the dust. Now Mattis is out, citing irreconcilable differences with Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
Well, another one bites the dust. Now Mattis is out, citing irreconcilable differences with Trump.
Wow. The Walking Dead has more original cast members at this point.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 20, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
I never met the man.
Not needed. Just a phone call with one word ... Telefon.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
But Baruch needs his two minutes of hate. For him, Soros is Emmanuel Goldstein.
You mean, he shot up the Patriarch Tomb in Hebron? What are you smoking?
If you like the enemy of your enemy, and Soros is the enemy of Trump ... then go at it. But then you are Soros' bitch.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
Well, another one bites the dust. Now Mattis is out, citing irreconcilable differences with Trump.
Mattis wanted ... war, more war ... so do you. Nihilist Democrats want WW III on Republican WH, the Nihilist Republicans want something opposite. One of the D talking heads already said, he hoped the economy would collapse, just to get even with Trump. No good Democrat/Republican alive today.
(https://i.redd.it/yhzi7qn9th521.png)
Meanwhile, Elon Musk buys laptops for Flint middleschoolers for $423,600.
Which do you think will have a better return on investment?
(That's libtards for ya, always frittering their money away on healthcare and education when they could be buying more guns and walls)
Quote from: Minimalist on December 19, 2018, 07:39:56 PM
Can anyone really claim to be surprised that the WLB is and always was a fucking crook?
WLB, "Wall-Loving-Bsomething?"
Trump went all the way to Moscow to study trickle-down economics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viczzJkFjZY
Haha ... so Mr Steele, you are homeless? Good!
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 21, 2018, 03:45:11 PM
Trump went all the way to Moscow to study trickle-down economics.
"Trickle-down" is just standing under the toilet. It is a failed dream among some people who think the rich should be richer. After all, if you have a fancy pool, you need a pool-boy, right? That's a job! And probably a gardener for the yard (who hopefully speaks just enough American to accept instruction and not argue about the roses).
Definition of "American English": A language that, if you speak slowly and loudly, everyone anywhere will understand...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 25, 2018, 10:55:48 PM
"Trickle-down" is just standing under the toilet. It is a failed dream among some people who think the rich should be richer. After all, if you have a fancy pool, you need a pool-boy, right? That's a job! And probably a gardener for the yard (who hopefully speaks just enough American to accept instruction and not argue about the roses).
Definition of "American English": A language that, if you speak slowly and loudly, everyone anywhere will understand...
Time travel back to 1960, take advantage of what our parent's did, a unique post WW II situation.
Quote from: Baruch on December 25, 2018, 11:49:24 PM
Time travel back to 1960, take advantage of what our parent's did, a unique post WW II situation.
I don't have to, I did. I'm the heir of all the tech world since WWII to today. Though it IS getting a bit complicated lately. Maybe I should buy a smart phone, just to see what they do.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:16:20 AM
I don't have to, I did. I'm the heir of all the tech world since WWII to today. Though it IS getting a bit complicated lately. Maybe I should buy a smart phone, just to see what they do.
Terrible idea! Stick to a flip phone, or lose your soul to the Dark State.
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 02:33:29 AM
Terrible idea! Stick to a flip phone, or lose your soul to the Dark State.
On your advice, I shall not...
Quote from: Cavebear on December 26, 2018, 02:37:00 AM
On your advice, I shall not...
With a flip phone, only time travelers from 2005 can mess with you.
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2018, 02:38:51 AM
With a flip phone, only time travelers from 2005 can mess with you.
I bought a $25 cricket phone, activated for 1 month, to stay in contact with my brother while we traveled to FL to spring Dad loose from the hospital and get him here to live with me... Other than that, I have no use for them.
My android phone has lots of cool apps that I've downloaded. It was free, all I have to do is make one call a month, which is the only call I make in a month. There are some really good apps at the play store, math, games, books, etc., that I would rather not do without now that I have them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2018, 01:52:44 PM
My android phone has lots of cool apps that I've downloaded. It was free, all I have to do is make one call a month, which is the only call I make in a month. There are some really good apps at the play store, math, games, books, etc., that I would rather not do without now that I have them.
There is no such thing as free. Just your failure at accounting. So now that you are a hollowed out shell, will you get your next job as a department store manikin?
QuoteDonald Trump bone-headedly exposes the identities and location of Navy Seal Team Five members on Twitter after a surprise visit to troops overseas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTCWXte4b8
Fake News. Seals confirm they do these photo ops often, while concealing appearance of individuals, and their names.
Is that you, pr126?
Quote from: Cavebear on December 25, 2018, 10:55:48 PM
"Trickle-down" is just standing under the toilet. It is a failed dream among some people who think the rich should be richer. After all, if you have a fancy pool, you need a pool-boy, right? That's a job! And probably a gardener for the yard (who hopefully speaks just enough American to accept instruction and not argue about the roses).
Trickle-down, Laffer curve, supply-side... whatever you call it, it's been voodoo economics for damn near 40 years now. The simple fact is, if money stagnates out into huge immobile pools, the economy stops working -- money has to
move for there to be an economy.
The Republican Party desperately needs someone to stand up and tell Grover Norquist to go fuck himself. Hard, fast, sideways, and without lube.
"You haven't gotten [a raise] in more than ten years. More than ten years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one...I said no, make it ten percent. Make it more than ten percent. Because it's been a long time...So congratulations."
-- Trump, in Iraq, speaking to troops about military pay, which has increased every year except one for 30 years, and which is going up by 2.6%, the largest increase in nine years
Quote from: trdsf on December 28, 2018, 03:55:59 AM
Trickle-down, Laffer curve, supply-side... whatever you call it, it's been voodoo economics for damn near 40 years now. The simple fact is, if money stagnates out into huge immobile pools, the economy stops working -- money has to move for there to be an economy.
The Republican Party desperately needs someone to stand up and tell Grover Norquist to go fuck himself. Hard, fast, sideways, and without lube.
Only a small portion of the Republicans ever supported Grover Norquist. Didn't George W reduce government expenditures every year? No? The Republicans and Democrats both support big spending, and no balancing the budget, they only differ on how to engage the profligacy.
Libertarians are captives of the Right, just as Socialists are captives of the Left. The mainline pretends to listen while the election is going on, but once the election is over, they screw you (because Libertarians and Socialists are the extremes).
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 28, 2018, 06:32:22 AM
"You haven't gotten [a raise] in more than ten years. More than ten years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one...I said no, make it ten percent. Make it more than ten percent. Because it's been a long time...So congratulations."
-- Trump, in Iraq, speaking to troops about military pay, which has increased every year except one for 30 years, and which is going up by 2.6%, the largest increase in nine years
So .. prefer Trump reduce military salaries and benefits? Why would you want him to do that? Hmmm?
Do you think that Trump may have meant ... an increase before or after inflation? Inflation is greater than 3%, so a raise of 2.6% is a loss.
No, none of that. The WLB is just a fucking liar and he says whatever shit pops into his head.
I'd have thought you would have figured that out by now.
How's he doing with Mexico paying for the wall or these easy-to-win trade wars.
The man is a little more than a used-car salesman.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 28, 2018, 06:32:22 AM
"You haven't gotten [a raise] in more than ten years. More than ten years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one...I said no, make it ten percent. Make it more than ten percent. Because it's been a long time...So congratulations."
-- Trump, in Iraq, speaking to troops about military pay, which has increased every year except one for 30 years, and which is going up by 2.6%, the largest increase in nine years
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2018, 12:33:10 PM
Do you think that Trump may have meant ... an increase before or after inflation? Inflation is greater than 3%, so a raise of 2.6% is a loss.
If the CEO where I worked announced, "I got you a big one...I said no, make it ten percent. Make it more than ten percent. Because it's been a long time...So congratulations" everyone would be expecting a 10% raise. Instead he posted how raises are determined and which financial goals were met during the fiscal year to explain why every employee was getting a 2% raise in 2019. He didn't congratulate himself, he congratulated the employees for meeting the financial goals. That's what actual leaders do.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 28, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
No, none of that. The WLB is just a fucking liar and he says whatever shit pops into his head.
I'd have thought you would have figured that out by now.
How's he doing with Mexico paying for the wall or these easy-to-win trade wars.
The man is a little more than a used-car salesman.
Trump is doing exactly what Putin put him in power to do - create as much chaos as possible for America and its allies. His boss, Putin, is well pleased.
Elections really do have consequences:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HEAs37Cn8k
Here's how Government workers can continue to pay rent while the government is shut down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sTIzaTC5IE
Quote from: Minimalist on December 28, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
No, none of that. The WLB is just a fucking liar and he says whatever shit pops into his head.
I'd have thought you would have figured that out by now.
How's he doing with Mexico paying for the wall or these easy-to-win trade wars.
The man is a little more than a used-car salesman.
Some people can't even sell a used car. Useless.
Since the virtue of selfishness is the US national creed ... I expect, both parties to burn the country down, and try to both collect the fire insurance.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 28, 2018, 02:09:50 PM
Trump is doing exactly what Putin put him in power to do - create as much chaos as possible for America and its allies. His boss, Putin, is well pleased.
Since Putin has super-powers, I expect all you atheists to be converted to his cult of personality. Putin is so fond of Xi's new clothes (as in Emperor's New Clothes), he thinks he wants to use the same tailor. Xi has made himself Chinese Communist Party Chair for life. Like Kim Jong Un, only more so. Putin has been mucking around with what passes for term limits in Russia. So Putin is exploring just what trick is required for him to become Czar.
If Trump continues to shut down the Federal government (aside from the DoD) ... he might try the same thing. He has a cult of personality far more extroverted than Obama or Hillary could imagine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPmlX4kWgjs
The hero for the whole 1960s counter-cultural revolutionaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auzdXyXGYfA
Drink a wax tadpole (famous mistranslation of a Cola-Cola ad in China).
Putin doesn't need super powers, all he needs is bookoo bucks, a cadre of hackers and a distinct lack of ethics.
Oh, and a willing stooge.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 28, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
Putin doesn't need super powers, all he needs is bookoo bucks, a cadre of hackers and a distinct lack of ethics.
Oh, and a willing stooge.
Like all the hippies from the 60s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHaVH9HhfI
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 28, 2018, 03:58:25 PM
Here's how Government workers can continue to pay rent while the government is shut down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sTIzaTC5IE
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QuoteOh, and a willing stooge.
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/you-rang-5abd7f.jpg)
Or ... as per 2000 election scandal in California fund raising (down the memory hole?) ... and other events since (Chinese spy employed by a certain woman politician for ... 20 years) ... are the D party people being bought off by the Chinese, because the Chinese don't want Russia to get too much power thru the R party? Bwahaha ... America, where everything is for sale, except your soul, if you are an atheist, because they don't have a soul to sell.
Corruption, plain and simple.
Here are the humans being manipulated by some aliens ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHomWdiXch0
Ever since I was a little boy, The Twilight Zone has been real, and the last three years, only getting more so, whaha.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 27, 2018, 04:58:04 PM
Trump doing boneheaded stuff is not a surprise. I met people like him in my career. They have this weird talent for for wrong almost all the time, but sucking up to higher management as they ruin everything to pieces.
They remind me of people who drive too slow, change lanes suddenly, signal left while moving right, and leave accidents in their trail, all the while wondering why so many people have accidents right behind them.
Trump is an deliberate accident-causer who seeks chaos. I can't wait for the Democrats to start exposing his political, family, and financial illegalities in 2019.
Quote from: Cavebear on December 28, 2018, 11:09:37 PM
Trump doing boneheaded stuff is not a surprise. I met people like him in my career. They have this weird talent for for wrong almost all the time, but sucking up to higher management as they ruin everything to pieces.
They remind me of people who drive too slow, change lanes suddenly, signal left while moving right, and leave accidents in their trail, all the while wondering why so many people have accidents right behind them.
Trump is an deliberate accident-causer who seeks chaos. I can't wait for the Democrats to start exposing his political, family, and financial illegalities in 2019.
Chaos is very profitable. Called Shock Doctrine or Crisis Theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
Crisis theory. That is socialist too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_theory
See, ever since industrialization, we produce more goods than we can consume ... Capitalism/Socialism ... fraternal twins separated at birth.
Partly because of the uncertainty created by Trump the stock market has been quite volatile lately. I wonder if it's about to crash? It is a chaotic (in the mathematical sense) system, one that could be very fragile. It may not take much to destabilize it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Partly because of the uncertainty created by Trump the stock market has been quite volatile lately. I wonder if it's about to crash? It is a chaotic (in the mathematical sense) system, one that could be very fragile. It may not take much to destabilize it.
All Democrats want Armageddon, so they can have the cold satisfaction of saying "I told you so". Markets are naturally chaotic. Just like the ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwZVGKG30s
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 01:23:15 PM
Partly because of the uncertainty created by Trump the stock market has been quite volatile lately. I wonder if it's about to crash? It is a chaotic (in the mathematical sense) system, one that could be very fragile. It may not take much to destabilize it.
I bailed out in March at Dow 25,000, expecting that Trump would basically "ruin everything". I would have gotten out at 26,000 in Feb, but I wasn't sure if interfund equity transfers caused tax liabilities (Apparetly they don't, but the IRS will tell me in a few weeks).
That not "timing the market"; that's "seeing that an raving idiot will screw up everything he touches".
Well, as I've said, I think he's there to screw up everything he can - except, of course, his own fortune.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 06:26:41 PM
Well, as I've said, I think he's there to screw up everything he can - except, of course, his own fortune.
I would be surprised if he did screw up his own fortune, but maybe there are masochist billionaires hiding somewhere.
My guess is that if you subtract out what he owes Putin's bankers his "fortune" is largely an illusion.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
My guess is that if you subtract out what he owes Putin's bankers his "fortune" is largely an illusion.
That is true for about all tycoons. And most of them aren't even raccoons. Do you understand that every dollar, paper or digital, is a debit, not a credit? So if you have a million dollars (now, not 100 years ago), you are in debt to the government for a million dollars plus interest? It matters if you are the credit end or the debit end. So basically, since 1971, Americans have fought over who can best play "button, button, who's got the button" aka Musical Fed Chairs.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 07:17:45 PM
My guess is that if you subtract out what he owes Putin's bankers his "fortune" is largely an illusion.
My guess is you're completely right about that! I think he only pretends to be a billionaire, when he's really just scamming along as a con artist, increasing his "brand" by using the office of president to make financial gains.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 07:31:47 PM
My guess is you're completely right about that! I think he only pretends to be a billionaire, when he's really just scamming along as a con artist, increasing his "brand" by using the office of president to make financial gains.
But, but ... I thought Elon Musk was a god!
Who the hell mentioned Musk?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 07:43:41 PM
Who the hell mentioned Musk?
The Cowardly Lion, if I recall the lyrics exactly. Elon Musk is a classic con artist.
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2018, 07:20:31 PM
That is true for about all tycoons. And most of them aren't even raccoons. Do you understand that every dollar, paper or digital, is a debit, not a credit? So if you have a million dollars (now, not 100 years ago), you are in debt to the government for a million dollars plus interest? It matters if you are the credit end or the debit end. So basically, since 1971, Americans have fought over who can best play "button, button, who's got the button" aka Musical Fed Chairs.
Where the fuck did you study economics? Trump University?
I think he learned economics the old fashioned way - by navel gazing until he got enlightened.
So they are building camps and military bases more than 8 miles from the border. I will get stuck in the crossfire of this Drumpf border war, I just know it.
Quote from: Minimalist on December 29, 2018, 08:03:48 PM
Where the fuck did you study economics? Trump University?
Ignorance of the crowd ... at least you have good company.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 29, 2018, 08:11:31 PM
I think he learned economics the old fashioned way - by navel gazing until he got enlightened.
No, the coins in my collection tells the tale, of human hubris always a fail.
Why is it necessary to contemplate withdrawing the cent or nickel from circulation? The nickel is metallic, not digital money. Currently its dollar value is greater than its metal value. The metal value is 3.6 cents, but the face value is 5.0 cents. The difference of 1.4 cents is the seignorage. But we are missing the sign on the numbers. Since 1971, all paper/digital dollars are negative, they are debits. The metallic part of the coin is the credit part. So 3.6-5.0=-1.4. As long as the seignorage is negative, it can circulate, otherwise it becomes profitable to pull it from circulation at face value, and make a profit by melting it for scrap. This has happened in the 1960s with the silver coins 10 cent thru 50 cent. This melting down is the implosion of the currency. With paper money, this happens at a much lower ratio, since it is usually always cheaper to print a paper note that is worth more than its face value. Except during hyperinflation like in Venezuela now. With a high enough inflation rate, it is better use to burn the paper money as fuel, than to spend it. The geniuses think they have this beat, with digital money, money that is just entries on a magical spreadsheet. With hubris, when someone is doing something wrong, they simply double down on the original mistake. Which is to say, they have removed the market signal from the money supply, as a way to avoid responsibility. This is like famous cases where an incompetent stationary engineer (boiler man) who doesn't want to take responsibility for the boiler, tapes over the temp or pressure gauge of the boiler, because the warning bell of the steam overflow keeps him awake. If you can't see or hear it, then it isn't real, right? This is why, to be a stationary engineer (maintenance guy in a Manhattan building) you have to be certified in your training.
Corruption, like entropy, tends to expand into all nooks and crannies. A con artist can flourish better if he can convince more people that he is practicing a get rich quick scheme, that for a mere purchase price of $15.99 for his tell all book, you can learn his investment secrets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVl9SQ-KVmE
Immediate impact back then, Bush-Obama wrote two checks, IOUs on American taxpayers. 7 trillion to the US banks and 7 trillion to the European banks. That is debt to the US taxpayer, because the US government has no money, they just have the ability to indemnify the taxpayers into the indefinite future. And just because the Grim Reaper hasn't shown up on your doorstop with a demand you pay up now .. doesn't mean that you will live forever, or that your feet aren't already caught up in the wood chipper. This has been done before ... see the story of Joseph in Genesis/Exodus. The Egyptian people had to sell themselves into slavery, to get access to government food banks. In the US this was renamed Food Stamps, and eventually privatized as SNAP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_ancient_Egypt
What drives political-economy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
The more we learn about Trump/Drumpf, his family, and business, the more we see they are all grifters dedicated to trying (and assuming) to make a fortune by running a government on the sly. And, bizarrely, failing.
Damn, if you can't make money running a govt, you have GOT to be pretty stupid...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 02, 2019, 05:24:27 AM
The more we learn about Trump/Drumpf, his family, and business, the more we see they are all grifters dedicated to trying (and assuming) to make a fortune by running a government on the sly. And, bizarrely, failing.
Damn, if you can't make money running a govt, you have GOT to be pretty stupid...
Corruptions aren't news. They are standard business practice.
"2019 will be a fantastic year for those not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Just calm down and enjoy the ride..."
â€" Trump
BOHICA
Quote from: Cavebear on January 02, 2019, 05:24:27 AM
The more we learn about Trump/Drumpf, his family, and business, the more we see they are all grifters dedicated to trying (and assuming) to make a fortune by running a government on the sly. And, bizarrely, failing.
Damn, if you can't make money running a govt, you have GOT to be pretty stupid...
The same could be said of running a casino where assholes give you their money willingly. The Fuckhead-In-Chief couldn't even make a profit doing that.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 02, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
"2019 will be a fantastic year for those not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Just calm down and enjoy the ride..."
â€" Trump
BOHICA
Every year is bad, when you are old. For obvious reasons. Also the claims of success, by every administration since Washington, should be questioned.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 02, 2019, 11:33:40 AM
The same could be said of running a casino where assholes give you their money willingly. The Fuckhead-In-Chief couldn't even make a profit doing that.
True. Not a good manager at all. And this was known before the election. Hillary had no business experience at all, not even a lemonade stand.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 02, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
"2019 will be a fantastic year for those not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Just calm down and enjoy the ride..."
â€" Trump
BOHICA
I'm not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, I suffer instead from Traitor Derangement Syndrome.
Trump is feeling sorry for himself, and becoming more paranoid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLt8OtzUSkg
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 02, 2019, 10:22:17 AM
"2019 will be a fantastic year for those not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Just calm down and enjoy the ride..."
â€" Trump
BOHICA
I found it discouraging that Trump started the year with such a snarky, negative message. I guess I should not have expected anything else.
I wonder if he will still be in office this time a year from now. The walls are closing in on him while he's begging for a wall!
Quote from: LoriPinkAngel on January 02, 2019, 04:58:06 PM
I found it discouraging that Trump started the year with such a snarky, negative message. I guess I should not have expected anything else.
I expected nothing else.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 02, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
I wonder if he will still be in office this time a year from now. The walls are closing in on him while he's begging for a wall!
Pence would be President. Frying pan or fire?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 02, 2019, 01:34:14 PM
I'm not suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, I suffer instead from Traitor Derangement Syndrome.
Only the R version... but I will be happy when the US comes to a violent end. Astronomy lovers, meteor anyone?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGs0oepUq0M
I am only disappointed at the partisanship. If you hate everyone, then you aren't racist.
That meteor was anti-semitic, it only destroyed Manhattan.
Elect a clown, expect a circus! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtR_DUo7qWE
What would happen if the newly Democratic House were to subpoena Trump's tax returns and he refused to provide them?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2019, 06:09:58 PM
What would happen if the newly Democratic House were to subpoena Trump's tax returns and he refused to provide them?
Civil war. But first kill all the Jews. We must always do that first.
See, such an optimistic future.
What about sending Obama/Clinton to The Hague for war crimes against Libya?
What does that have to do with my question? See, Baruch, this is why some here are annoyed by your posts, they often seem apropos of nothing.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2019, 06:46:50 PM
What does that have to do with my question? See, Baruch, this is why some here are annoyed by your posts, they often seem apropos of nothing.
George W/Dick are war criminals. Barak/Joe are war criminals. Other people were involved in both cases, including Hillary. So why are you in favor of war crimes, but against cheating on your taxes?
In a lawless regime (bi-partisan), I see no limit to absolute power by Legislature, Executive or Court. All depends on who has the most guns.
What makes you think I'm in favor of war crimes?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2019, 06:49:13 PM
What makes you think I'm in favor of war crimes?
Democrats = Jesus Christ sinlessness. An interesting American heresy. Two headed too.
When have you ever called here, for the trial of Barak Obama etc? You silence says it loud and clear.
A criminal society has a criminal government. When you are criminal, top to bottom, that is the end state of corruption.
So, anyone here who hasn't specifically called for a prosecution of anyone for war crimes is in favor of war crimes? That pretty much includes us all, I think.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2019, 06:54:11 PM
So, anyone here who hasn't specifically called for a prosecution of anyone for war crimes is in favor of war crimes? That pretty much includes us all, I think.
You dodge the question. You didn't say even George W/Dick ... let alone Barak/Joe. But LBJ was the biggest war criminal of the litter.
So shall we slice and dice how many war criminals can dance on the head of a pin?
And not just Libya, but Syria and Ukraine. Putin would be justified in exterminating the US and Nato. Just leave Israel alone, because we are special ;-)
But if the new Sec of State, gets interrogated, told he doesn't need counsel, and then gets caught in an inconsistency ... to prison with him!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 02, 2019, 06:06:10 PM
Pence would be President. Frying pan or fire?
Pence is far more dangerous; he's a career politician who knows how to put a smiling face on his Talebangelical wishlist. A Pence presidency is safe only if he's damaged goods too, and even the Republicans only see him as a caretaker until 2020.
Quote from: trdsf on January 04, 2019, 10:58:27 AM
Pence is far more dangerous; he's a career politician who knows how to put a smiling face on his Talebangelical wishlist. A Pence presidency is safe only if he's damaged goods too, and even the Republicans only see him as a caretaker until 2020.
The Never-Trump Republicans want either JEB or Mit. Disgusting.
The Two-Faced Democrats want either Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden. Equally disgusting.
But yes, get Pence as President. Then get Dominionism and no more damn elections. Burn off your noses to spite your faces.;-)
Trump knows more about everything than anyone! What a stable genius!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kG7HfD-oM
QuoteRachel Maddow reviews instances when Donald Trump parroted Russian narratives on international affairs in a way that seems oddly out of character from Trump's typical presentation of how he understands the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcfIfrTOnU
For you bloodthirsty savages ... and anarchists ... only immediate nuclear immolation of Russia, would prove that the government isn't a tool of Russian svengalis.
Shame you didn't think of that when the Obama administration was shelling out our uranium to Putin, eh?
Is that before or after you send all the Republicans to Andersonville?
And no, Trump doesn't know much, Pence knows everything. Ds keep swinging at the Donald piñata hoping candy will fall out ;-)
And as I have claimed, MSM isn't liberal or conservative, it is Establishment, it is CIA. If I wanted to go down that kind of stuff, I would find a secret agent and suck his ...
Quote from: Minimalist on January 02, 2019, 11:33:40 AM
The same could be said of running a casino where assholes give you their money willingly. The Fuckhead-In-Chief couldn't even make a profit doing that.
When the Casino Rules say you are guaranteed a profit in the long run, and you can't make money doing THAT, yeah, ya gotta be pretty incompetent.
So, aside from Trump's general political and history blankness, his inability to make a profit in a Sure Thing is "businessly" damning. LOL!
As far as any evidence suggests (some now and more to come later as the House gets his tax returns - and they will), Trump basically loses at every venture he tries even when he fails to pay his contractors.
Had his Dad given ME the money and bail-outs he gave The Donald, I WOULD actually be a multi-billionaire by now, unlike him.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 02:42:53 AM
When the Casino Rules say you are guaranteed a profit in the long run, and you can't make money doing THAT, yeah, ya gotta be pretty incompetent.
So, aside from Trump's general political and history blankness, his inability to make a profit in a Sure Thing is "businessly" damning. LOL!
As far as any evidence suggests (some now and more to come later as the House gets his tax returns - and they will), Trump basically loses at every venture he tries even when he fails to pay his contractors.
Had his Dad given ME the money and bail-outs he gave The Donald, I WOULD actually be a multi-billionaire by now, unlike him.
True about his business acumen. But then we don't elect people for their business acumen, otherwise what is Hillary's qualification? A lot of major US businesses, bigger than the Trump enterprise, are creative accounting, with or without government backing. Speaking of which, what is the Federal Reserve .. that isn't Federal and has no reserve?
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 02:42:53 AM
Had his Dad given ME the money and bail-outs he gave The Donald, I WOULD actually be a multi-billionaire by now, unlike him.
He'd've probably done better just to sink it all into CDs and T-bills. But then, like Dubya before him, he was "born on third and thinks he hit a triple". But basically yeah, if you can't make money off a casino, you're a complete and total business idiot. It's one of the few businesses that's mathematically all but guaranteed to be profitable, and he declared bankruptcy
six times for his casinos.
Quote from: trdsf on January 05, 2019, 05:23:54 AM
He'd've probably done better just to sink it all into CDs and T-bills. But then, like Dubya before him, he was "born on third and thinks he hit a triple". But basically yeah, if you can't make money off a casino, you're a complete and total business idiot. It's one of the few businesses that's mathematically all but guaranteed to be profitable, and he declared bankruptcy six times for his casinos.
Probably true, because back then you could get good rates on ordinary things. And held for decades, the money accumulates. The hardest way to make money is to change in and out all the time, paying the stock broker each time for the privilege. That "churn" when promoted by the stock broker, used to be illegal. Now it is the basis of the pseudo-market.
Quote from: trdsf on January 05, 2019, 05:23:54 AM
He'd've probably done better just to sink it all into CDs and T-bills. But then, like Dubya before him, he was "born on third and thinks he hit a triple". But basically yeah, if you can't make money off a casino, you're a complete and total business idiot. It's one of the few businesses that's mathematically all but guaranteed to be profitable, and he declared bankruptcy six times for his casinos.
Yeah, I started Sept 1986 with a full $86,000 mortgage on the house, an old Chevette Scooter car, and barely a dime in my checking/savings account. I mean I was not only broke, I owed my parents $6,000 to cover the down payment on the house. And THEY insisted on market rate interest because they had had to take it out of their investments.
So I just stopped spending money. Joined a carpool, made every lunch to eat at work, went nowhere on vacation, and saved every dime. Yeah, I wasn't working at Walmart, but I had co-workers in the office who were spending every dime they earned and were living paycheck to paycheck at the same salary (and it was Federal Govt, so it wasn't large).
In 2 years, I repaid my parents and bought a new car (Ford Taurus wagon) on a 5 year loan. Paid it off in 2 years. Refinanced my mortgage 2x (from about 10% to 8% to 6%) and from 30 years to 20 yeara to 10 years.
Paid that off in 10 years. No mortgage! After that, everything went into Vanguard stock indexes (spread into a 9 grid - High Cap, Mid Cap and Small Cap by Value, Growth, and Blended). I wish I had bailed in 2008, but that's "timing the market" and not usually a good idea. I recovered and also moved every dime I had in the index Funds in 2010. Had a good ride up.
Settled in for the long term, but then Trump came along. I decided (correctly, it seems) that he was going to wreck the economy and bailed out in early 2018, transferring Vanguard funds to Money Markets and Treasury Bonds. While the Dow fell from 26,000 to 23,000 I was earning 3%.
And my credit union offerred a 3.65% 24 month CD, so I threw $20,000 (their max) into one from my .01% checking account. And they are also offerring 3.05% for a new 24 month CD (max $50,000). That has to be "new money", so I have to take it out of my savings account there (at 0.5%), move it to my commercial bank, then transfer it back (it is then considered "new money" since it comes from another bank to earn 3.05% on the same money that was getting .05%).
It's just like playing a game, but then you have more money around afterwards. The annoying thing is that I have to close my bank access accounts so no one can try to hack it. I should look at see if there is insurance for that. Closing and opening accounts can be a real pain sometimes.
But the reward is that I'm worth $1.2 million today instead of eating at fancy places the past 25 years (and never really wanted to). I'm not selling anything, I won't even discuss it much (I'll answer questions). Just buy Index funds when you are middle-aged and hold.
So, I'm renovating the home and yard, LOL! I expect to live here all the rest of my years. I'm seriously thinking of new furniture. The cats have clawed up my 25 year old easy chair, so that could be replaced. Time to change the carpet in the computer room. too. Linoleum would mean I don't have to keep the computer chair on the dumb plastic pad.
Time to stop living like a college dorm guy, wouldn't you say?
Well, since you can't take it with you when you check out of this mad house that is life, you might as well get some use out of it in the mean time!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 05, 2019, 02:18:50 PM
Well, since you can't take it with you when you check out of this mad house that is life, you might as well get some use out of it in the mean time!
Well, part of it is a game. But I'm going do have some very happy nieces and a nephew... LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
Well, part of it is a game. But I'm going do have some very happy nieces and a nephew... LOL!
What, no Menendez brothers to kill you for it? Guess you have no socialists in your family ;-)
QuoteDonald Trump has never been a fan of following the rule of law, but his latest idea may be the one that finally pushes the most ardent of Trump supporters over the line. The President is mulling the possibility of declaring a national state of emergency along our southern border so that he can use eminent domain to seize private property that is needed to start construction of his border wall. Isn’t this the kind of thing that conservatives were saying Democrats wanted to do â€" Come and confiscate their personal property?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15MKFoAjVxM
Why am I not surprised that Trump would do this?
I am hoping for martial law (not marshall, that is just a small part of the police force). We needed this in 1965. People aren't going to go willingly into the FEMA camps, are they?
Well, that depends - will there be free cable TV?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2019, 05:42:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15MKFoAjVxM
Why am I not surprised that Trump would do this?
Will he use this as his Reichstag's fire? Once he declares a national emergency, is martial law not soon to follow? Then the oyster is his for the plucking.
Well, I've said that the more desperate he becomes about the Mueller investigation the more dangerous he'll be, so nothing would surprise me.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Well, that depends - will there be free cable TV?
Americans are so easily bought off (slaps own head).
Quote from: Baruch on January 07, 2019, 07:42:28 PM
Americans are so easily bought off (slaps own head).
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QuoteAs the president threatens to declare a national emergency to build his border wall, Stephanie Ruhle and Ali Velshi look into what exactly that means and what new powers that would give the president. Weighing in: Former CIA agent and National Security Council Spokesman, Ned Price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMytyZ115Oo
When will people realize that this is exactly why Putin put Trump in the office of president to do? Chaos is the agenda, and chaos is what we're getting. Putin is laughing his ass off.
He's coming to my town and will hold a rally by Delia's (insult) on Thursday.
Something wicked your way comes...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 08, 2019, 06:12:58 PM
Something wicked your way comes...
Still hoping that Trump will make all the Democrats remove their human masks, to reveal the reptilian Marxists underneath ;-)
"Mango Mussolini" LOL
https://youtu.be/-tUWLfIiseI
Checks and balances are what keeps America from becoming a tyranny, but some people don't seem to understand that - or they like tyranny, one or the other.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Checks and balances are what keeps America from becoming a tyranny, but some people don't seem to understand that - or they like tyranny, one or the other.
In this case I'll put my money on Trump buying the everything and trying to bend everything to his will with support of dumb peasants. Tyranny? The dumb peasants, most republicans, and libertarians think it not (mental retardation). Denial is their forte and they say democrats are emotional.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Checks and balances are what keeps America from becoming a tyranny, but some people don't seem to understand that - or they like tyranny, one or the other.
A tyranny since Nov 22, 1963 at least. Forget LBJ?
Unfortunately if we do have to become a one party totalitarian society, I trust even the Republicans (who I otherwise hate) over the clearly psychotic Democrats.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
Checks and balances are what keeps America from becoming a tyranny, but some people don't seem to understand that - or they like tyranny, one or the other.
Checks and balances like ... 1861? Put one or more of the three branches of the Federales ... on LSD ... or put a significant number of state governments on LSD ... and none of that will apply.
Oh, since when have we declared war, as required by the Constitution? How many have you denounced all wars since 1945, as treason?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 09, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
In this case I'll put my money on Trump buying the everything and trying to bend everything to his will with support of dumb peasants. Tyranny? The dumb peasants, most republicans, and libertarians think it not (mental retardation). Denial is their forte and they say democrats are emotional.
As per the Cross of Gold speech, the urban areas are expendable.
Pelosi needs to negotiate - like Korben Dallas...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 07:23:05 PM
Pelosi needs to negotiate - like Korben Dallas...
Attack of the soy boys and the bull dykes?
People in the 60s did this to themselves ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gYmeabeDdQ ... particularly that last song ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTC3cfWfGk ... the original
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YSCLqwbAc ... future Democrat hit song
Yaknow, if it was *that* much of a national emergency and it's *that* important to him to get it done and he's *really* as rich as he says he is, he can just donate the $5 billion out of his own pocket and then claim it on his taxes or just recoup the outlay later this year because he's such a genius at business...
...yaknow, unless it's all just a temper tantrum, and/or he's not worth the "more than ten billion" he claims he is, and/or he's just a bloviating asshole. Hell, even I would be impressed if he'd throw in even just a billion of his own and put his money where his mouth is for once in his pathetic waste of a life.
Also, trying to blame the Democrats for the shutdown when it started before the Democrats took control of the House *and* when he said he'd be proud to own this shutdown? Fucking coward.
It takes two to Tango, but it only takes one politician to look stupid. I am glad nothing happened in that speech. It could have been much worse.
Trump now says that he never said Mexico would pay for the wall, despite saying that repeatedly. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mexico-wall-funding-money-pay-us-border-government-shutdown-trade-deal-a8721341.html)
We've never been at war with Eurasia.
Don't we have a guy who's really big on 1984 in here? I bet he utterly despises this Orwellian shift in the White House.
Schumer and Pelosi, in their rebuttal of Trump's campaign speech, reminded me of American Gothic - all they needed was a pitchfork!
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Trump now says that he never said Mexico would pay for the wall, despite saying that repeatedly. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mexico-wall-funding-money-pay-us-border-government-shutdown-trade-deal-a8721341.html)
We've never been at war with Eurasia.
Don't we have a guy who's really big on 1984 in here? I bet he utterly despises this Orwellian shift in the White House.
Up until 2017, I re-read it annually. There hasn't seemed much point since then.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2019, 02:39:13 PM
Trump now says that he never said Mexico would pay for the wall, despite saying that repeatedly. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mexico-wall-funding-money-pay-us-border-government-shutdown-trade-deal-a8721341.html)
We've never been at war with Eurasia.
Don't we have a guy who's really big on 1984 in here? I bet he utterly despises this Orwellian shift in the White House.
Brave New World has superseded 1984. As a press secretary for Nixon once said, that previous statement is no longer operative ;-)
Quote from: trdsf on January 10, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
Up until 2017, I re-read it annually. There hasn't seemed much point since then.
The movie, Brazil is much better, comes with Samba.
Yeah, and it comes with Harry Tuttle!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRfoIyx8KfU
Trump: I Never Said Mexico Would Pay For It.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFXjLxHbvKQ
LOL! President Beelzebutt is pulling more crap out of his ass.
Extortion: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
Trump is guilty of extortion and the blackmailing of America.
Lock him up!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 11, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
Extortion: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
Trump is guilty of extortion and the blackmailing of America.
Lock him up!
Pay up or shut up, plebs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmX2VzsB25s
That is how a man behaves, not an SJW.
I am hoping for cosplay einsatz-gruppen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nX3qfOClV8
The toy version for the Hitler Youth is already on sale!
Quote from: trdsf on January 09, 2019, 10:04:07 PM
Yaknow, if it was *that* much of a national emergency and it's *that* important to him to get it done and he's *really* as rich as he says he is, he can just donate the $5 billion out of his own pocket and then claim it on his taxes or just recoup the outlay later this year because he's such a genius at business...
...yaknow, unless it's all just a temper tantrum, and/or he's not worth the "more than ten billion" he claims he is, and/or he's just a bloviating asshole. Hell, even I would be impressed if he'd throw in even just a billion of his own and put his money where his mouth is for once in his pathetic waste of a life.
Also, trying to blame the Democrats for the shutdown when it started before the Democrats took control of the House *and* when he said he'd be proud to own this shutdown? Fucking coward.
It's not an "emergency" when you can decide whether to act on it and/or can wait to decide whet to do.
An "emergency" is something you have to respond to suddenly and unexpectedly.
The WALL is not an emergency...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:16:19 AM
It's not an "emergency" when you can decide whether to act on it and/or can wait to decide whet to do.
An "emergency" is something you have to respond to suddenly and unexpectedly.
The WALL is not an emergency...
An emergency ignored by both paid-off political parties for about 40 years now. The wall will be useful as a backstop for mass executions.
Oh, now, we won't be able to put the current regime up against a wall and do what's needed. We have to use more modern methods...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2019, 01:57:38 PM
Oh, now, we won't be able to put the current regime up against a wall and do what's needed. We have to use more modern methods...
Both parties deserve death by corruption, which is to say, their unburied corpses.
Yeah, like it says in Jeremiah 25:33.
https://people.com/politics/white-house-unpaid-water-bill/
White House can't pay its water bill? Maybe the White House staff should offer to do some work for the water utility, and pay the bill that way. Maybe Trump should grab a shovel and get to work!
Under Obama ... Secret Service on overseas assignment, caught visiting local prostitutes ... yeah, government workers "hard" at work again.
Well, boys will be boys, after all.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
Well, boys will be boys, after all.
Which is why I would only employ girls in my organizations ;-)
Maybe rural America has been brain-damaged by all the pesticides and fertilizers that have been in use in rural America for so long. Why else would they constantly vote against their own self-interests? Maybe that's what's really the matter with Kansas.
QuoteAfter careful analysis of survey data, polls, Presidential speeches, and responses from citizens, researchers have found that people who support Donald Trump lack basic compassion and empathy for their fellow human beings. What’s interesting is that these studies have found that both Democrats and Republicans are allegedly equal when it comes to caring for others, but the subset of Trump supporters studied were the outliers, showing no compassion for anyone. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains the results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikH0c6iyna0
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 13, 2019, 05:36:42 PM
Maybe rural America has been brain-damaged by all the pesticides and fertilizers that have been in use in rural America for so long. Why else would they constantly vote against their own self-interests? Maybe that's what's really the matter with Kansas.
The Red States don't consider atheism/sexual-promiscuity/gambling/drugs/violent-rap to be in their self-interest. That is a projection by the College Morlocks of Berkeley CA, who can't understand why the whole planet isn't Haight-Ashbury. The Blue States are envious of the completely corrupt lifestyle of such people though.
BTW - this is parallel to the original take over by the Christian hippies of the Roman Empire. Go up to a German barbarian with your peace sign, bro. Ever read the Book of Acts? Jewish hippies.
F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html)
Wouldn't it have been better to have found out about Trump's ties to Putin BEFORE we gave Trump control of our military assets!?
50 Moments That Define an Improbable Presidency (https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/)
Why does no one mention that the GOP sent eight of its people to Moscow last July? What did they discuss with the Russians behind closed doors?
Eight Republicans pick the worst possible place to celebrate July 4 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f52dcb0c17f0)
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 14, 2019, 03:23:53 PM
F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html)
Wouldn't it have been better to have found out about Trump's ties to Putin BEFORE we gave Trump control of our military assets!?
50 Moments That Define an Improbable Presidency (https://www.theatlantic.com/unthinkable/)
Why does no one mention that the GOP sent eight of its people to Moscow last July? What did they discuss with the Russians behind closed doors?
Eight Republicans pick the worst possible place to celebrate July 4 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f52dcb0c17f0)
True, anyone who would fire the successor of that great American J Edgar Hoover ... has to be commie for sure ;-)
In non-Trump news, Bolton drew up plans to attack Iran (https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-sought-options-to-strike-iran-11547375404)
Quote“It definitely rattled people,†a former senior U.S. administration official said of the request. “People were shocked. It was mind-boggling how cavalier they were about hitting Iran.â€
QuoteAs a think-tank scholar and Fox News commentator, Mr. Bolton repeatedly urged the U.S. to attack Iran, including in a 2015 New York Times op-ed titled, “To stop Iran’s bomb, bomb Iran.â€
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 14, 2019, 09:00:05 PM
In non-Trump news, Bolton drew up plans to attack Iran (https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-sought-options-to-strike-iran-11547375404)
We know Bolton is nuts. Is he just being used for blackmail? Do what I want, or I will unleash the Bolton?
Bolton knows he won't have to fight and die, so what's it to him? Iran is no threat to the U.S.A., but war is a lucrative racket.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
Bolton knows he won't have to fight and die, so what's it to him? Iran is no threat to the U.S.A., but war is a lucrative racket.
Of course. But as a street person, you have no need of money. You are St Unbeliever of Berkeley? Very Catholic, just like Shiranu is.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2019, 01:13:50 PM
Bolton knows he won't have to fight and die, so what's it to him? Iran is no threat to the U.S.A., but war is a lucrative racket.
Just ask Darth Cheney and his buddies at Halliburton.
However, Blackwater proposals to privatize the war in Afghanistan or in Syria, have been proposed. Mr Prince probably won't be operating in-country either, but his employees would. All ex military.
Quote from: Baruch on January 16, 2019, 01:49:54 AM
However, Blackwater proposals to privatize the war in Afghanistan or in Syria, have been proposed. Mr Prince probably won't be operating in-country either, but his employees would. All ex military.
Most people don't seem to be aware of the size of the mercenary force the US uses, nor how much they make.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 16, 2019, 09:25:02 AM
Most people don't seem to be aware of the size of the mercenary force the US uses, nor how much they make.
So you hate the Flying Tigers also? (1937-1941)
Guliani: "I never said there was no collusion." (https://www.axios.com/giuliani-never-said-no-collusion-campaign-russia-investigation-879981f9-8b22-4e5d-9fed-3419958cc010.html)
Cohen offered IT expert $50,000 to rig two online polls in Trump's favor (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/17/cohen-poll-rigging/2601299002/)
QuoteCohen also asked Gauger to create a Twitter account with the handle @WomenForCohen that would be run by a female friend of Gauger's to portray Cohen as a "sex symbol"
lmao! Reminds me a lot of the ill-fated "hotties for trump" campaign on reddit. It's truly sad what deep-seated insecurity and narcissism leads people to do.
Rigging elections is something both parties do. On the basis of ethics, I can't vote for either one, because both are Machiavellian ... the ends do justify the means.
Trump says San Antonio shows border walls work. Not only does San Antonio not have a wall, it's 150 miles from the border. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-border-wall-us-government-shutdown-san-antonio-mexico-el-paso-a8737216.html)
Trump notes low temps tonight: "Wouldn't be bad to have a little global warming right now!" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-twitter-climate-change-weather-global-warming-latest-a8737326.html)
Uggh.
Well, the Alamo had a wall around it. Didn't work very well, though.
Quote from: Baruch on January 02, 2019, 12:47:53 PM
True. Not a good manager at all. And this was known before the election. Hillary had no business experience at all, not even a lemonade stand.
The government is not a lemonade stand. Only a fucktard like Trump thinks there is any similarity at all.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 20, 2019, 08:19:51 PM
The government is not a lemonade stand. Only a fucktard like Trump thinks there is any similarity at all.
Trump couldn't manage a lemonade stand as well as a little girl, anyway. You know his business history.
But for now, a lot of it is either shut down or seething in frustration. The last SNAP cards were sent out this past week.
But will the Sans Cullotes be storming the Versailles Palace, or the Chamber of Deputies?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 20, 2019, 08:10:08 PM
Well, the Alamo had a wall around it. Didn't work very well, though.
As a Texan, I find your mocking ... childish. I know what you would choose, had you been there, when Col Travis drew the line and invited men who didn't want to stay, to cross it. Shiranu would have been with General Santa Ana of course ;-)
On the general tenor of returning to 1960s culture/politics ...
“WHAT IS OBJECTIONABLE, WHAT IS DANGEROUS ABOUT EXTREMISTS IS NOT THAT THEY ARE EXTREME, BUT THAT THEY ARE INTOLERANT. THE EVIL IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THEIR CAUSE, BUT WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THEIR OPPONENTS.†ROBERT F. KENNEDY, EXTREMISM, LEFT AND RIGHT
HA! Trump's been having pictures of himself altered to make him look thinner - and with bigger hands! LOL
Also, there's this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abRQwenkX4I
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 20, 2019, 07:55:53 PM
Trump says San Antonio shows border walls work. Not only does San Antonio not have a wall, it's 150 miles from the border. (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-border-wall-us-government-shutdown-san-antonio-mexico-el-paso-a8737216.html)
Trump notes low temps tonight: "Wouldn't be bad to have a little global warming right now!" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-twitter-climate-change-weather-global-warming-latest-a8737326.html)
Uggh.
Yeah, San Antonio got a kick out of that one :P. Had people going around the town and looking for the wall lol.
My guess is he probably did mean El Paso, and he probably was too ignorant to realize that El Paso and Ciudad de Juarez are two separate things. Culturally they are almost one giant city, but politically and economically not so much.
Support for Trump Impeachment higher than Trump poll numbers (https://www.newsweek.com/support-donald-trump-impeachment-higher-approval-rating-vs-new-poll-1300633)
"The survey also pitted Trump against hypothetical Democratic opponents for the 2020 election to see where things stood. Trump trailed all seven likely Democratic candidates"
Oof.
Correct, America is ready for pure communism. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of savages. One giant Venezuela. Ole
In 2015, Trump hoped to promote a business proposition, a high rise, in Moscow. Meanwhile Obama and Clinton gave away 1/5 of America's uranium to Moscow. All business activity, including before announcement of candidacy, campaign, election, or assuming office, is assumed by communists, to be treason.
(https://i.redd.it/nbynqyeyj77z.jpg)
Everyone I Don't Like Is A Nazi ...
The Autists Guide to Useful Idiots
There are only two political geniuses of the 20th century, Hitler and Stalin. The recent history of the US and the world, has been the underlying competition between these two world views, long after both initiators were dead. Both were socialist, though not of the same type. But the forgone conclusion is that socialism is unquestioned, that Zimbabwe and Venezuela are the universal futures of the world.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 23, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
Support for Trump Impeachment higher than Trump poll numbers (https://www.newsweek.com/support-donald-trump-impeachment-higher-approval-rating-vs-new-poll-1300633)
"The survey also pitted Trump against hypothetical Democratic opponents for the 2020 election to see where things stood. Trump trailed all seven likely Democratic candidates"
Oof.
I just can't bring myself to trust those polls, they're too easily manipulated. It recently came out that Trump's fixer, Cohen, paid a bribe to get Trump's poll numbers up during the campaign. How often do those kind of things happen that we don't hear about?
Quote from: Baruch on January 23, 2019, 09:51:13 PM
Correct, America is ready for pure communism. Couldn't happen to a better bunch of savages. One giant Venezuela. Ole
Meanwhile Obama and Clinton gave away 1/5 of America's uranium to Moscow.
You believe every anti-Clinton conspiracy theory out here in cyberspace, don't you?
Complex tale involving Hillary Clinton, uranium and Russia resurfaces (https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/07/blog-posting/complex-tale-involving-hillary-clinton-uranium-rus/)
QuoteThe story stems back to the 2015 book Clinton Cash, an investigation by Breitbart News editor-at-large Peter Schweizer. A chapter in the book suggest a pay-for-play scheme between the Clintons and Russia, accusing them of transferring uranium in exchange for donation money.
If you believe anything at all that comes from Breitbart then you can keep it to yourself. Why do you insist on afflicting us with this crap?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 24, 2019, 01:17:42 PM
I just can't bring myself to trust those polls, they're too easily manipulated.
That's certainly possible, though generally speaking, it's necessary to support the claim that the poll is rigged/manipulated rather than just declaring that it might be and assuming this to be the case. Otherwise, we're no different than Trump and his redcap cult.
Also, it's worth noting that that's far from the only poll that shows Trump trailing democratic challengers. Here's a recent Harvard/Harris poll (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/426495-poll-shows-36-percent-support-trumps-reelection-43-percent-would-vote-for) and here's a Politico one from August of last year (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/trump-2020-democrats-matchup-790890) (suffice it to say that public opinion has changed for Trump since then, and not in a beneficial way)
Sure, it's possible that this data is faulty, but what indication do we have that this is the case?
Well, you're right, of course, but my pessimism often get's in my way when reading anything on the net. I take everything with a big block of salt.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 24, 2019, 01:26:46 PM
You believe every anti-Clinton conspiracy theory out here in cyberspace, don't you?
Complex tale involving Hillary Clinton, uranium and Russia resurfaces (https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/07/blog-posting/complex-tale-involving-hillary-clinton-uranium-rus/)
If you believe anything at all that comes from Breitbart then you can keep it to yourself. Why do you insist on afflicting us with this crap?
Yes, I believe that Obama was President, and Hillary was SecOfState. Any time any government officials meet, it is a conspiracy against the common good. But not equally. Some people "lose" by getting lots of money and other perks.
So you are saying, the US has never met, on any level, with Russia, during the Obama administration? Or just that people tell made up stories about what happened during those years? Surely the second. Every administration has lies made against it, that aren't true, including the current one. That is part of how the game is played, including treason, assassination, grand theft ... including George W Bush and all others. I voted for Obama twice (but in spite of Hillary), because his policies are Republican-ish. Not my fault that the average voter is an idiot.
So take any wild story off the Internet, from the past 10 years, and ascribe that I support it? You will have to try harder than that.
I don't read Breitbart. I don't wear a Nazi uniform at home when nobody is looking. And you are ... just a paper mâché head. And a character assassin. Get back to Assassins Creed and try again.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 24, 2019, 01:17:42 PM
I just can't bring myself to trust those polls, they're too easily manipulated. It recently came out that Trump's fixer, Cohen, paid a bribe to get Trump's poll numbers up during the campaign. How often do those kind of things happen that we don't hear about?
My dad told me about poles, when I was a kid. When he was a kid, he was hired to go around and canvas for whatever. He explained how the question is phrased to get the result you might want. I have never, in my life, ever believed in any pole.
Well well well. Professional dirty trickster Roger Stone has been arrested.
If I weren't posting from my phone, I'd insert a video of Ren & Stimpy doing "Happy Happy Joy Joy". Stone's been pissing in the political swimming pool for more than 45 years, starting with Jeb Magruder and CREEP in Nixon's '72 campaign.
I shall properly toast this news when I get home tonight.
I wondered what was taking so long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9SrWIHhtM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dangerous_Case_of_Donald_Trump
Here's the PDF:
https://dangerouscase.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/A-Primer-for-the-Increasingly-Dangerous-Case-of-Donald-Trump-.pdf
Looks like trump has gotten permission from Coulter and Limbaugh to end the shutdown. Hooray. He, of course, is claiming victory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHRnvB5rruc
Well, for a few weeks, anyway.
Trump folded like a cheap camera.
Ann Coulter is on Real Time with Bill Maher tonight.
Wouldn't miss that for all the tea in China.
Coulter is one of the few people I just can't watch or listen to without literally tossing cookies. I let others listen to her, so I can listen to what they say about what she said.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 25, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
Trump folded like a cheap camera.
Ann Coulter is on Real Time with Bill Maher tonight.
Wouldn't miss that for all the tea in China.
Three weeks reprieve. Then back to The Green Mile for the Dems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDIe0YqFuzI
Quote from: trdsf on January 25, 2019, 01:32:24 PM
Well well well. Professional dirty trickster Roger Stone has been arrested.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
(https://i.redd.it/seb6l52nllc21.jpg)
Spot the least common denominator.
I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!
It has been even more embarrassing to us here.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!
You are wise. But Europeans frequently make the mistake about Anglophones, that we are European. And the English frequently make the mistake that Americans are English. We have little in common. As an American, I could say that there is nothing wrong with British culture, or Continental culture. Just that they are incommensurate.
I do venture into British issues, but only because we are separated by a common language ;-)
Unfortunately, in politics, there aren't any holds barred, so I hope your sensitivities aren't offended ;-) Things seem to have returned to the 1960s over the past 3 years. Not my favorite decade.
Most people here lean ... socialist aka moderate collectivist. To them, three of us here, seem to be far-right. Two Brits and myself. The Brits couldn't vote for Trump, and I could have, but didn't. The only one I know to have been, was banned for arguing with the moderator. Same happened to the classical Marxist. No arguing with the moderator.
Quote from: Baruch on January 25, 2019, 11:47:53 PM
You are wise. But Europeans frequently make the mistake about Anglophones, that we are European. And the English frequently make the mistake that Americans are English. We have little in common. As an American, I could say that there is nothing wrong with British culture, or Continental culture. Just that they are incommensurate.
I do venture into British issues, but only because we are separated by a common language ;-)
Unfortunately, in politics, there aren't any holds barred, so I hope your sensitivities aren't offended ;-) Things seem to have returned to the 1960s over the past 3 years. Not my favorite decade.
Most people here lean ... socialist aka moderate collectivist. To them, three of us here, seem to be far-right. Two Brits and myself. The Brits couldn't vote for Trump, and I could have, but didn't. The only one I know to have been, was banned for arguing with the moderator. Same happened to the classical Marxist. No arguing with the moderator.
So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 11:57:47 PM
So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.
Though I take it your "conservative" is a bit different than what we're used to in the States. I saw an article a few days ago that pretty much sums it up: Arizona lawmaker proposes porn tax to pay for border wall. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-state-lawmaker-proposes-porn-tax-to-fund-border-wall) (Throw in abortion and you get the trifecta of "modern" conservatism)
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 26, 2019, 12:30:02 AM
Though I take it your "conservative" is a bit different than what we're used to in the States. I saw an article a few days ago that pretty much sums it up: Arizona lawmaker proposes porn tax to pay for border wall. (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arizona-state-lawmaker-proposes-porn-tax-to-fund-border-wall) (Throw in abortion and you get the trifecta of "modern" conservatism)
You would be correct about that. I'm not against abortions, for one.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 11:57:47 PM
So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.
I am a liberal and like to liberate people. You say you are conservative; what are you trying to conserve?
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 11:57:47 PM
So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.
Conservative doesn't equal Right. Right/Left are rhetorical oversimplifications. Liberal vs Conservative is only slightly less bad. Are reactionaries conservative? Are revolutionaries liberal? BTW - I am a radical centrist, it took them 3.5 years here to figure that out, to pull down their anti-Fa mask to see me more clearly.
Culturally I am traditionalist, not conservative/liberal.
In the old days, my parents taught me to never discuss sex, politics or religion with strangers. This place is the opposite of that, Gott sei Dank!
I am sure that Bavarians, while conservative historically, are much less stuck up than der Plattdeutschers ... they are party animals. Just not sure which political party ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 26, 2019, 09:17:22 AM
I am a liberal and like to liberate people. You say you are conservative; what are you trying to conserve?
Probably his "vital juices" ;-))
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
I feel like I should keep my opinions on this topic to myself as a European, but... let's just say that the whole Trump thing has been very embarrassing to watch from way over here!
Nah, go ahead and have your opinion -- I don't let not being British (or European) stop me from having one about Brexit.
Quote from: Baruch on January 26, 2019, 10:35:02 AMBTW - I am a radical centrist
Don't lie to the newbie. You're a centrist like Trump is a centist. If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative. I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.
I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 12:51:02 AM
You would be correct about that. I'm not against abortions, for one.
How about the EU? I've heard talk from some conservatives here about how totalitarian they are and how these vile globalists want to create a pan-european army to conquer the world and institute a one-world-government.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 11:57:47 PM
So I am not the only one on the right side of the political spectrum here. Hope it won't cause any issues, but seeing as I'm from Southern Bavaria, by far the most conservative part of Germany, it shouldn't come as surprise to anyone.
There's a vast difference between German/European conservatism and American conservatism -- remember, we don't really have a liberal or left-wing party at the national level anymore. Despite some signs of life from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party in the last election, the Democrats are mainly centrist with occasional forays to both the center-left and center-right. Chancellor Merkel and the CDU/CSU are probably closer to our Democrats than our Republicans, which are more like AfD, sometimes NPD.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 26, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Don't lie to the newbie. You're a centrist like Trump is a centist. If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative. I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.
I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.
Some people still can't see thru their anti-Fa masks. I prefer V For Vengeance masks. I would blow up Parliament/Congress if infected with Left/Right revolutionaries (if they were in it). The burning of the Reichstag wasn't a bad thing, except the Nazis and others weren't in the building at the time.
No, never voted for Trump. Voted for Obama twice. But I didn't come to that point as a Left Revolutionary aka Rousseau/Voltaire. Rousseau was the original anti-Westerner, and Voltaire was the original anti-Abrahamic/anti-Semite. As an anglophone, I consider them to be the bad part of the Enlightenment ... but Locke and Hume are cool.
Renewables are OK, just don't expect to run a highly industrial society on them. Maybe exurb bourgeois. Like environmentalists who fly instead of walk. We have many wind turbines here, and Germany has many co-heat arrangements. Good stuff, but conservation doesn't equal production.
Rhetorically, I can call anything I want, anything I want. Same as the other agent provocateurs here. If I were the only one with hyperbole, you would have a point. Go get all the feminist Der presidential candidates to wet nurse you, if they will. But Tulsi Gabbard is the best. The idea of Bernie running again, or Hillary running again, is too geriatric.
Given his performance, both pro and con, I still see no reason to vote for Trump. And I don't vote party line (Independent). During the election in 2016, people here wanted there to be no neutrality, you either all vote for Hillary, or be Arkancided. Besides, as I have often stated, the President isn't the real boss now, the VP is (at least since Reagan). With the exception of one term G W Bush. VP Pence is going about the national business, quietly. While all attention is focused on the Clown in Chief. I will admit that Trump is a better clown than Obama. Obama is much to well spoken and PC.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 26, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
How about the EU? I've heard talk from some conservatives here about how totalitarian they are and how these vile globalists want to create a pan-european army to conquer the world and institute a one-world-government.
They will deny it of course. But maybe this guy, as Bavarian conservative, isn't so progressive for the EUSR. The Chinese are also totalitarian. The whole world wants slavery, as cucks, with free iPhones and SNAP cards and free medicines (drugs, recreational or otherwise). Humanity, per entropy, always tends toward degeneracy. The few alpha male/alpha females out there, are fighting to determine who the new Maduro will be.
Come 2020, if I am even still alive, unless the Ders pull off a miracle of a sane liberal (slightly Left of center) ... and given that I expect Trump to run ... I may have to sit it out (as I did 1996-2004). But if Pence is running, I will be tempted, same as with Gabbard. Assuming that they are can do pragmatists, who harbor some extreme opinions.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 26, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
Don't lie to the newbie. You're a centrist like Trump is a centist. If it weren't for Pr126, I'd consider you the forum's archconservative. I seriously doubt you even understand the difference between liberalism and communism.
I can't even being up renewables (technologies that shouldn't be a political hot potato) without you completely losing your mind.
I don't know if calling Baruch a Conservative is accurate. It seems to me he's just more of a contrarian, going against the popular opinions of this forum. At best, he might be considered Alt-Right, but I'm not sure about that either.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 01:26:04 PM
I don't know if calling Baruch a Conservative is accurate. It seems to me he's just more of a contrarian, going against the popular opinions of this forum. At best, he might be considered Alt-Right, but I'm not sure about that either.
You have a clear view, not blinded by your own ideology (not that you can't have one, but as they say, don't eat your own dog food).
Traditional is not the same as conservative. Conservative is relative to the present/future. Traditional is relative to the past. Over my lifetime, I have made a 180 turn in my metaphysics.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 01:26:04 PM
I don't know if calling Baruch a Conservative is accurate. It seems to me he's just more of a contrarian, going against the popular opinions of this forum. At best, he might be considered Alt-Right, but I'm not sure about that either.
He's Alt-
something, all right...
;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 26, 2019, 09:17:22 AM
I am a liberal and like to liberate people. You say you are conservative; what are you trying to conserve?
The things I value about my country: our Judeo-Christian values and morality, our culture, our laws, our art and history, etc.
Quote from: trdsf on January 26, 2019, 12:26:51 PM
There's a vast difference between German/European conservatism and American conservatism -- remember, we don't really have a liberal or left-wing party at the national level anymore. Despite some signs of life from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party in the last election, the Democrats are mainly centrist with occasional forays to both the center-left and center-right. Chancellor Merkel and the CDU/CSU are probably closer to our Democrats than our Republicans, which are more like AfD, sometimes NPD.
Good point, I can agree with that. The CDU is definitely a lot more liberal than the US Republicans for sure.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
The things I value about my country: our Judeo-Christian values and morality, our culture, our laws, our art and history, etc.
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Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
The things I value about my country: our Judeo-Christian values and morality, our culture, our laws, our art and history, etc.
I'm a bit unclear on the meaning of "Judeo-Christian values." Just what are those?
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
The things I value about my country: our Judeo-Christian values and morality, our culture, our laws, our art and history, etc.
That is more traditional than conservative. Conservative means someone who may want to retrain the cringeworthy innovations fo the 60s, because that was 50 years ago. For anglophones, non-anglophone cultures are misunderstood, we are that parochial. There is a lot of things about Germany that are positive. Same with any other culture. Albrecht Durer, he's our man, if he can't etch it, nobody can ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 26, 2019, 01:53:01 PM
I'm a bit unclear on the meaning of "Judeo-Christian values." Just what are those?
This should be interesting ... given his living arrangements ;-)) People can keep completely contradictory things in their head, at the same time, in fact we have to. Despite monists ... reality is schizoid.
I'm not schizoid, and neither am I...
Kyle covers the Trump VS anyone polls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaW6OarhKwA
Imho, he makes a fair point. It's too early to judge. We don't know who the nominee is going to be, we don't know how they're going to run their campaigns, what sorts of things will be in the news at the time (the Dem challenger could get hit with an October Surprise, aka a акÑ,ивные мероприÑÑ,иÑ). It's dangerous to get comfortable and assume a victory.
Still, I think these sorts of polls are a good indication that Trump isn't nearly as popular as his base likes to believe and that the people want someone different in charge. How well that'll translate to electoral gains is anyone's guess.
Easy to avoid an October surprise. Don't meet with Bill Clinton on the tarmac at midnight. Don't keep an unauthorized email server while a government employee. Don't sleep with people who aren't your spouse. Don't take money from foreign lobbyists, not even thru your charity (Clinton Foundation).
On the other hand, I don't see the Dems supporting a Progressive dream ticket. The primaries and convention will be fixed again. Joe Biden, all touchy feely.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
The things I value about my country: our Judeo-Christian values and morality, our culture, our laws, our art and history, etc.
Are you atheist? If so, what Judeo-Christian values are you referring to? Morality? What is that.
As a college student (decades ago) I majored in history and found that I really liked German history; very interesting.
Trump just opened the government so he could give a campaign speech. He may call it the SOTU, but it's just so he can rile up his fan-base again as he begins running for the next presidential election.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 26, 2019, 08:29:34 PM
Trump just opened the government so he could give a campaign speech. He may call it the SOTU, but it's just so he can rile up his fan-base again as he begins running for the next presidential election.
Yes, and we return to the same Mexican standoff in 20 days. So another win against the cuck Dems.
QuoteDon't sleep with people who aren't your spouse.
Tsk, Americans are such prudes. What's wrong with sleeping with people who aren't your spouse?
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 03:52:18 AM
Tsk, Americans are such prudes. What's wrong with sleeping with people who aren't your spouse?
If you are sleeping with more than one (however you define marriage) then you are part of the STD problem. So ... what is wrong with marriage? It is a feminist institution. Women choose who to mate with, the "rape culture" is overstated. Not prudish, just civilized. But if you want to be the bottom of the pile at a Roman orgy, feel free, until the Germans/Huns arrive.
But that quote was from a political context ... lots of sexual peccadilloes are ... fatal. Politically fatal to Bill Clinton and probably actually fatal to JFK. Male nymphomania? Just say no.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 26, 2019, 01:53:01 PM
I'm a bit unclear on the meaning of "Judeo-Christian values." Just what are those?
Oh, I meant things like valuing honesty (9th commandment), respecting your parents (4th commandment), condemning crime (6th and 8th commandment) and envy (10th commandment) and valuing faithfulness (7th commandment). Christianity and Judaism have a lot more texts that relate to morality, of course, but the 10 commandmens are an easy-to-understand example that everyone already knows about.
Quote from: Baruch on January 26, 2019, 02:14:05 PM
That is more traditional than conservative. Conservative means someone who may want to retrain the cringeworthy innovations fo the 60s, because that was 50 years ago. For anglophones, non-anglophone cultures are misunderstood, we are that parochial. There is a lot of things about Germany that are positive. Same with any other culture. Albrecht Durer, he's our man, if he can't etch it, nobody can ;-)
I'm not sure what label fits me best, I just know that I don't fit on either side of the extreme.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 04:39:03 AM
Oh, I meant things like valuing honesty (9th commandment), respecting your parents (4th commandment), condemning crime (6th and 8th commandment) and envy (10th commandment) and valuing faithfulness (7th commandment). Christianity and Judaism have a lot more texts that relate to morality, of course, but the 10 commandmens are an easy-to-understand example that everyone already knows about.
So, strongly post-Christian. There are a lot of Americans who are mildly post-Christian, who are in denial ;-) Only the 1st commandment is religious. And lots of disagreement on the meaning of all of them. Summarized by the positive and negative golden rule. Hillel and Kung Fu Tzu stating the negative one (don't do unto others ...) and Jesus stating the positive one (do unto others ...). Both exist as far back as ancient Egypt though. These are also often confused with "natural law". The positive rule is the origin of liberalism (who wouldn't like a free lunch) and the negative rule is the origin of conservativism (Don't touch my stuff). So the two are not only different, they are incompatible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
The actual empirical behavior, belies both. If you are an alpha male/female you do as you will, giving or taking according to your own authority. Needless to say, the beta majority, bitch about this, it is all they can do since they can't get it up. I was benefited by the generosity of others twice this past week alone. I try not to feel victimized ;-) Perhaps if I didn't appear to be a homeless old man? Thanks, I can pick my own lice. Apes.
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2019, 04:49:18 AM
So, strongly post-Christian. There are a lot of Americans who are mildly post-Christian, who are in denial ;-) Only the 1st commandment is religious. And lots of disagreement on the meaning of all of them. Summarized by the positive and negative golden rule. Hillel and Kung Fu Tzu stating the negative one (don't do unto others ...) and Jesus stating the positive one (do unto others ...). Both exist as far back as ancient Egypt though. These are also often confused with "natural law". The positive rule is the origin of liberalism (who wouldn't like a free lunch) and the negative rule is the origin of conservativism (Don't touch my stuff). So the two are not only different, they are incompatible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
The actual empirical behavior, belies both. If you are an alpha male/female you do as you will, giving or taking according to your own authority. Needless to say, the beta majority, bitch about this, it is all they can do since they can't get it up. I was benefited by the generosity of others twice this past week alone. I try not to feel victimized ;-) Perhaps if I didn't appear to be a homeless old man? Thanks, I can pick my own lice. Apes.
No doubt, the roots of these values are more ancient than any written texts we have. I suppose the Christian texts are just the latest incarnation of those thoughts, which European societies have based their culture on. I don't think we'd be running around as savage beasts if Christianity had never come about, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the tremendous influence that Christianity has had on European societies.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 05:00:08 AM
No doubt, the roots of these values are more ancient than any written texts we have. I suppose the Christian texts are just the latest incarnation of those thoughts, which European societies have based their culture on. I don't think we'd be running around as savage beasts if Christianity had never come about, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the tremendous influence that Christianity has had on European societies.
It is a branding/flavor. People are people, everywhere. The particular flavor in Europe is Christian, just as in the ME it is Islamic. Jewish people contribute indirectly wherever we have gone. Think ... gypsies with brains? But of course Asia has its own systems, Hinduism and Buddhism being the most prominent. And micro-societies.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/08/portraits-of-chinese-Mosuo-matriarchs/
Shangri-La is real. But like the decline of the last hunter-gatherer people (San people) it is dying, in favor of urban homogenization.
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2019, 04:37:50 AM
If you are sleeping with more than one (however you define marriage) then you are part of the STD problem.
No, if you're sleeping with people without using proper protection, you are part of the STD problem. There are plenty of porn-stars who sleep with lots of people in a professional setting, who are still clean because they understand how to not get an STD. Failing to explain safe sex to people, or failing to practice it, is the problem here.
QuoteBut that quote was from a political context ... lots of sexual peccadilloes are ... fatal. Politically fatal to Bill Clinton and probably actually fatal to JFK. Male nymphomania? Just say no.
Well yeah... hence my saying "Americans are prudes". There's no reason for the simply act of "having sex with someone other than a spouse" to be politically problematic
unless you are dealing with prudes.
(Of course, when it comes to having sex without being honest about it, you're getting into a different situation. But then, the main reason for lack of honesty is, again, being a bunch of prudes.)
Well, at least in the US (and maybe GB (Profumo affair), we are prudes. We don't generally approve of libertinism. Other cultures are different.
Yes, one can use protection, but people don't, you know that and I know that. People are rutting animals. Actual prostitutes would get a VD check once a week, where it is legalized. If we are all prostitutes, are you willing to go for your weekly checkup, your clean/dirty status reported to the police? Some people fantasize about being tarts or gigolos.
I myself am not a prude, but see libertinism as a sign of mental illness (which is not good for a political figure to be). Except for the more extreme parts of "Sulo", I am pretty open "for others, not necessarily for myself" ... consenting adults and all that. But given the new "look at me and it is rape" I can see that dying quickly. Maybe all un-married women should be kept in convents, after all?
QuoteYes, one can use protection, but people don't, you know that and I know that.
The great thing about protection is that it doesn't matter if other people do it, as long as
you do it, you'll be okay.
I definitely am conservative about sex, I think most of you would consider me a prude. I don't like one-night stands or hook-ups or sex outside of a trusting, committed relationship. I'm old-fashioned that way.
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 05:34:15 AM
The great thing about protection is that it doesn't matter if other people do it, as long as you do it, you'll be okay.
If effective. But there are lots of ways to exchange bodily fluids. Not fellatio, but do you kiss the mouth? Then welcome to herpes and hepatitis.
For these "new" folks. I work in military medicine. We get lectures on all this stuff annually. As well as human trafficking, assisting rape victims etc. And I am an expert at stupid rationalization of corruption.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 05:35:38 AM
I definitely am conservative about sex, I think most of you would consider me a prude. I don't like one-night stands or hook-ups or sex outside of a trusting, committed relationship. I'm old-fashioned that way.
You are not a hippie. Neither am I. I grew up in the 60s, and never thought what the older kids were doing, showed any intelligent life. But then I was a young Vulcan ;-) BTW - I was very scientific the first half of my life, but then I have switched to the humanities. I don't have the job motivation at my age, heading for the bone yard soon enough.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 05:35:38 AM
I definitely am conservative about sex, I think most of you would consider me a prude. I don't like one-night stands or hook-ups or sex outside of a trusting, committed relationship. I'm old-fashioned that way.
I don't really enjoy one-night stands or hook-ups or sex outside of a trusting, committed relationship either. Nothing about that prevents you from having sex with others than your spouse, though :wink:
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2019, 05:37:37 AM
You are not a hippie. Neither am I. I grew up in the 60s, and never thought what the older kids were doing, showed any intelligent life. But then I was a young Vulcan ;-) BTW - I was very scientific the first half of my life, but then I have switched to the humanities. I don't have the job motivation at my age, heading for the bone yard soon enough.
I am in my early 20s, but I feel much older than my peers. Always have. Adults have been telling me that I'm "mature" and "grown up" for my age my whole life. Make of that what you will.
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 05:45:02 AM
I don't really enjoy one-night stands or hook-ups or sex outside of a trusting, committed relationship either. Nothing about that prevents you from having sex with others than your spouse, though :wink:
If she allows you, then you are her bitch. Nothing wrong with that either. Particularly if she is a German dominatrix. As Freud said, if it doesn't involve sex, then it didn't happen.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 05:46:03 AM
I am in my early 20s, but I feel much older than my peers. Always have. Adults have been telling me that I'm "mature" and "grown up" for my age my whole life. Make of that what you will.
Reincarnation? Do you have a fetish for potting soil? ;-)
QuoteIf she allows you, then you are her bitch.
I'm not sure what the word "allows" means in this sentence, but the combination of words doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 06:48:40 AM
I'm not sure what the word "allows" means in this sentence, but the combination of words doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
English isn't my native language, Vulcan is ;-)
Not being personal, I try to deal with stereotypes only. But I was married to a woman for 17 years, so I know the score.
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2019, 06:51:54 AM
English isn't my native language, Vulcan is ;-)
Not being personal, I try to deal with stereotypes only. But I was married to a woman for 17 years, so I know the score.
I'm not sure how long I've been married, neither of us are keeping track. But mine is a bit... different.
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 06:48:40 AM
I'm not sure what the word "allows" means in this sentence, but the combination of words doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.
Yeah, welcome to Baruch....the longer you know him the less sense he makes. Says a lot of words....lot of words, but sometimes it's like there is a food processer twixt his brain and fingers and all the words get scrambly.....yes I said scrambly.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 04:39:03 AM
Oh, I meant things like valuing honesty (9th commandment), respecting your parents (4th commandment), condemning crime (6th and 8th commandment) and envy (10th commandment) and valuing faithfulness (7th commandment). Christianity and Judaism have a lot more texts that relate to morality, of course, but the 10 commandmens are an easy-to-understand example that everyone already knows about.
Christians have been standing in the way of social progress ever since they took power, and they always will. As for their values, psychological research (which is my field of expertise, BTW) shows that Christians are ones who most often break their own rules. For example, they are more likely to get a divorce, and more likely to be convicted of violent crimes. They deserve no credit for the moral values that have become commonplace today. It wasn't Christianity that ended slavery, or gave women the right to vote, or gave gay and lesbian people the right to marry. We have secularism to thank for those things.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 27, 2019, 01:21:49 PM
Christians have been standing in the way of social progress ever since they took power, and they always will. As for their values, psychological research (which is my field of expertise, BTW) shows that Christians are ones who most often break their own rules. For example, they are more likely to get a divorce, and more likely to be convicted of violent crimes. They deserve no credit for the moral values that have become commonplace today. It wasn't Christianity that ended slavery, or gave women the right to vote, or gave gay and lesbian people the right to marry. We have secularism to thank for those things.
You're correct on all accounts, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the huge influence that Christianity has had on Western views on morality.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
You're correct on all accounts, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the huge influence that Christianity has had on Western views on morality.
Yes, religion has had a huge effect upon what is called morality. But does that mean the effect was positive? I would suggest we, as a society, would be better off without that influence. The world would be better off.
As for your thought that morality is reflected by the 10 Commandments, which commandments are your referring to? What is the source of those commandments--and have you read them from the bible yourself?
The only good rules of the Ten Commandments are the most elementary school levels of ethical. Don't murder, don't lie, don't cheat. The rest of it can be summed up as, "Don't offend God, and don't question authority." Not exactly what I'd call ethical ideals. And then there are the rules about coveting property, of which include woman as property. As a standard for ethical behavior, I'd give the Ten Commandments a C-.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
You're correct on all accounts, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the huge influence that Christianity has had on Western views on morality.
Not all atheists want to return to paganism, some of them want to be elected to seats in the Galactic Senate, to help or hinder Emperor Palpatine.
Christianity was a means of continuing some key insights of pre-Christian morality. Morality goes back to early Bronze Age. The whole "holy communion" thing is actually, prehistoric. Like sin eating at early Irish funerals (eating food off the chest of the dead person, to justify the dead) or Bronze Age Syria (royal cult of annual feasts with the dead (see day after Halloween). Continuity rules, not the radical discontinuity that radicals imagine. Utopia means what?
Most folks on the geek/nerd side don't process certain kinds of thoughts/language. By nature more than by MK Ultra, they simply can't do a thought-crime ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY-OClWEUQQ
Some people here fantasize being robots, or uploaded AI. All part of the fetish community of being a humanoid or non-humanoid object.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 27, 2019, 01:45:38 PM
Yes, religion has had a huge effect upon what is called morality. But does that mean the effect was positive? I would suggest we, as a society, would be better off without that influence. The world would be better off.
As for your thought that morality is reflected by the 10 Commandments, which commandments are your referring to? What is the source of those commandments--and have you read them from the bible yourself?
Yes, because natural law, E O Wilson's ant colony ethics. Which queen to you serve?
On the other hand, was the Marquis de Sade the product of degenerate Catholicism, or of atheist libertinism?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 27, 2019, 01:49:50 PM
The only good rules of the Ten Commandments are the most elementary school levels of ethical. Don't murder, don't lie, don't cheat. The rest of it can be summed up as, "Don't offend God, and don't question authority." Not exactly what I'd call ethical ideals. And then there's the rule about coveting property, of which include woman as property. As a standard for ethical behavior, I'd give the Ten Commandments a C-.
Correct, in context. Also "covet" might actually mean bestiality etc. The Bible uses euphemisms to avoid direct sexual speech.
But there are always a minority of people, who think they are trans-human (in the empirical sense). Rationalists frequently fall into this mode, because they are Vulcans ;-) Of course human existence is a horrible thing, individually and socially. And the organism seeks escape, especially into fantasy. That is part of the drive behind religion. Some prefer Star Wars, others prefer Bronze Age Wars ;-) Fantasy in both cases. The human being hates to contemplate its own mortality except for Shiva or Durga worshippers, who practice cremation ground meditation. And certain kinds of Christian monks ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gofgWvSyA
This is why fictional horror is a "thing". A substitute for realistic mortality.
Early Christianity had many influences including Hinduism and Buddhism. And Egyptian culture.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 04:39:03 AM
Oh, I meant things like valuing honesty (9th commandment), respecting your parents (4th commandment), condemning crime (6th and 8th commandment) and envy (10th commandment) and valuing faithfulness (7th commandment). Christianity and Judaism have a lot more texts that relate to morality, of course, but the 10 commandmens are an easy-to-understand example that everyone already knows about.
I can't help asking
Which Ten Commandments? (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Which_Ten_Commandments.3F)
QuoteThere are three versions of the Ten Commandments in the Bible. Two of them are very similar, Exodus 20:2-Exodus 20:17[2] and Deuteronomy 5:6-Deuteronomy 5:21.[3]
The third version, in Exodus 34:12-Exodus 34:26,[4] is radically different, and is the only one which the Bible refers to as "the Ten Commandments". This is the second set which were given to Moses following the destruction of the first tablets when he suffered from an anger management failure after witnessing the Israelites worshipping the golden calf. While it has a few similarities to the original set, it does not include well known rational commandments such as "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not kill"; but has instead instructions about holy days, not cooking kids in their mothers' milk, and God expresses a distaste for sacrifices containing honey, leaven, or both blood and yeast (although either alone is apparently quite acceptable). God says Exodus 34:1 that this second set was also written on the first pair of tablets, so the "Ten Commandments" from Exodus 20:1 are probably not the Ten Commandments at all.
This is the list of the new commandments in Exodus 34:[5]
1. Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
2. Do not make any idols.
3. Celebrate the Festival of Unleavened Bread. For seven days eat bread made without yeast, as I commanded you. Do this at the appointed time in the month of Aviv, for in that month you came out of Egypt.
4. The first offspring of every womb belongs to me, including all the firstborn males of your livestock, whether from herd or flock.
5. Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem all your firstborn sons. No one is to appear before me empty-handed.
6. Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest, you must rest.
7. Celebrate the Festival of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Festival of Ingathering at the turn of the year.
8. Three times a year all your men are to appear before the Sovereign LORD, the God of Israel.
9. Do not offer the blood of a sacrifice to me along with anything containing yeast and do not let any of the sacrifices from the Passover Festival remain until morning.
10. Bring the best of the firstfruits of your soil to the house of the LORD your God. "Do not cook a young goat in its mother's milk."
And this set of commandments in Exodus 34 are the only set the Bible gives the label "the ten commandments" to.
Quote from: Exodus 34:28And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Quote from: Plu on January 27, 2019, 03:52:18 AM
Tsk, Americans are such prudes. What's wrong with sleeping with people who aren't your spouse?
Having never had a spouse, I've certainly got no problem with sex sans marriage. I'd never marry a woman who would have me for a husband.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
You're correct on all accounts, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the huge influence that Christianity has had on Western views on morality.
Of course. A tremendous impact. (http://www.womenhistoryblog.com/2007/10/puritan-laws-and-customs.html)
And they outlawed divorce before they outlawed slavery. A very strange morality. How fortunate we are to live in a (mostly) secular age!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 27, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
I can't help asking Which Ten Commandments? (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments#Which_Ten_Commandments.3F)
And this set of commandments in Exodus 34 are the only set the Bible gives the label "the ten commandments" to.
Yes! I was going to post this. I have found that most christians have not read the bible. And none of them are aware of these 3 sets of commandments. They are truly sheeple.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 27, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
Having never had a spouse, I've certainly got no problem with sex sans marriage. I'd never marry a woman who would have me for a husband.
Impossibly high standards? So would you implode or her explode?
If you ever had sex with a man or woman you are common law married. If just masturbation, then common hand married ;-)
Dear Leader is kind to his friends and comrades (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions-deripaska.html)
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 28, 2019, 12:10:14 AM
Dear Leader is kind to his friends and comrades (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/politics/trump-russia-sanctions-deripaska.html)
Trump is a dictator? Or you simply don't like the Justice Dept doing its job? How about during the Obama administration. Like Fast & Furious?
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 01:00:29 AM
Trump is a dictator? Or you simply don't like the Justice Dept doing its job? How about during the Obama administration. Like Fast & Furious?
Orange man bad. >:c
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 28, 2019, 03:32:57 AM
Orange man bad. >:c
MI6/CIA psyops. The political world is flat, and is mooning us.
I guess all those Hindus and Buddhists in the world have no morality at all, since they lack a Judeo-Christian book to tell them how to act.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 01:27:36 PM
You're correct on all accounts, but even as an atheist, I can't deny the huge influence that Christianity has had on Western views on morality.
Fortunately we're slowly getting over that. I won't deny the influence in the Western world given how long the Catholic Church wielded virtually unquestioned temporal authority, but I would not agree that it was overall a positive influence.
Now, the influence on the arts is profound -- I've been on a Bach cantata kick the last few days. <3
Quote from: trdsf on January 28, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
Fortunately we're slowly getting over that. I won't deny the influence in the Western world given how long the Catholic Church wielded virtually unquestioned temporal authority, but I would not agree that it was overall a positive influence.
Now, the influence on the arts is profound -- I've been on a Bach cantata kick the last few days. <3
Yes, we prefer the original influence (clue, not atheists) ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ_gLof5ifM
"Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant" Did you know, that the organ was commonly used to provide music in the amphitheater? Just like at US baseball games. Nothing is new.
And who can forget the charming opponents of the Romans in W Europe ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxilvLpCT7U
Visit, a hymn to the old ways ... this Jewish heretic is ready to embrace polytheism, to defeat Plato's Republic of cucks.
It takes a religious zealotry to be free, by survival or thru death ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVvn2IUFleo
Another good last stand ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydmWUfTpwSo
Which side will you be on, civilized tyranny, or barbarous liberty? See the elephant yet?
Well, who could've predicted this?
John Bolton Says Ultimate Goal In Venezuela Is To Take Their Oil (https://crooksandliars.com/2019/01/john-bolton-says-ultimate-goal-venezuela)
QuoteOn Thursday, John Bolton told Fox Business host Trish Regan the administration had the goal of putting U.S. companies in charge of Venezuela's oil production. Because freedom!
We have to. We went into Iraq to give the oil to China. We went into Afghanistan to give the minerals to China too. But the opium is for Russia ;-)
When some talking head said, in 2003, that the oil of Iraq would be made to pay for our little adventure ... I knew that shit wasn't going to happen.
Yeah - "Operation Iraqi Liberation." O.I.L. - lol
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 28, 2019, 09:03:35 PM
Yeah - "Operation Iraqi Liberation." O.I.L. - lol
We have been good bitches for China. But will this change soon?
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 09:31:56 PM
We have been good bitches for China.
I blame Nixon.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 28, 2019, 08:57:50 PM
Well, who could've predicted this?
John Bolton Says Ultimate Goal In Venezuela Is To Take Their Oil (https://crooksandliars.com/2019/01/john-bolton-says-ultimate-goal-venezuela)
(https://i.imgur.com/7nGbJuh.jpg)
Bolton is the Mustache of Death ;-( But you never accomplish anything other than love-ins with soy-boys.
Bolton doesn't want world peace, he wants a piece of the world - a big piece.
QuoteJesse talks about the out of control borrowing Donald Trump is having to do to pay for the dangerous tax cuts he and his party forced through. The U.S. Treasury announced that it is projecting to borrow ONE TRILLION DOLLARS this fiscal year, which is an increase of EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT over last year!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJmBRP1NUpM
I hope Trump has sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.
No deficits during the Obama years?
Quote from: Baruch on January 29, 2019, 06:48:55 PM
No deficits during the Obama years?
*Woman murders her five-year-old child.*
Baruch: "You never got angry at your child before?"
*CEO coerces employee into sexual favors*
Baruch: "You've never abused a position of power?"
Apparently, the severity of the wrongdoing doesn't matter. If you're not perfect, you're equally bad.
Whataboutism.
Besides, Baruch puts about as much effort into writing his posts as you should reading them.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 29, 2019, 07:19:31 PM
*Woman murders her five-year-old child.*
Baruch: "You never got angry at your child before?"
*CEO coerces employee into sexual favors*
Baruch: "You've never abused a position of power?"
Apparently, the severity of the wrongdoing doesn't matter. If you're not perfect, you're equally bad.
See, its true! I have to do most of these posts while posing as other people! Where are the other people? Just in my head?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2019, 08:06:25 PM
Whataboutism.
Besides, Baruch puts about as much effort into writing his posts as you should reading them.
Put as much talent into writing my posts as you should reading them ;-) Poly want an Internet? Squawk!
No reasoned arguments? I know that some of you are capable ...
1. Large Federal deficits are bad ... why? Genuine question.
2. The actions of one party are bad, while the same actions by another party are not bad ... why? Click bait question.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2019, 08:06:25 PM
Whataboutism.
Pretty much. Here's my whatabout on this topic: what about the fact that the last president to balance the budget was Bill Clinton -- surplus of $128 billion in his 2000 budget -- and that Dumbya immediately turned that into a $157.8 billion deficit in
his 2001 budget?
If Democrats are "tax and spend", at least we
get the money before spending it, rather than "mortgage our kids and grandkids, fuck 'em, not our problem" Republicans.
Quote from: Baruch on January 29, 2019, 10:39:21 PM
No reasoned arguments? I know that some of you are capable ...
1. Large Federal deficits are bad ... why? Genuine question.
2. The actions of one party are bad, while the same actions by another party are not bad ... why? Click bait question.
Trump reduced the taxes on the rich to such a degree that he had to increase the amount of money borrowed by a whole 84%. When has anything like that ever happened under the Obama administration? False-equivalence is like your whole schtick. Any time someone voices a legitimate complaint of this overtly corrupt administration, you justify it with, "But remember that one time Obama sneezed and didn't cover it up? Clearly, Trump is just more of the same."
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 29, 2019, 07:19:31 PM
*Woman murders her five-year-old child.*
Baruch: "You never got angry at your child before?"
*CEO coerces employee into sexual favors*
Baruch: "You've never abused a position of power?"
Apparently, the severity of the wrongdoing doesn't matter. If you're not perfect, you're equally bad.
This is a perfect example of false equivalency. Action "A" is compared to action "B" but is not really the same. False logic is a major human failure. It really annoys me often.
It is a teen girl who is raped and people say, "well you wore THAT"!
It is a black guy who is shot and people say "well why were you there"?
It is someone who is killed at a demonstration and people say "well, you shouldn't have been there".
Those are the voices that say "hide and shut up and don't speak your mind" and I resent that. We are intelligent and we have a right to speak. It is those who demand we shut up who have to change.
I don't always agree with people who speak their minds. And sometimes I think they are pretty stupid and I get annoyed. And I REALLY get annoyed with theists. But that stuff about "I'll defend your right to say it" is true for me.
Just not when we argue here, LOL! Oh yes, speak your mind and I'll speak mine and even be harsh sometimes. In these confines...
Quote from: trdsf on January 30, 2019, 12:35:14 AM
Pretty much. Here's my whatabout on this topic: what about the fact that the last president to balance the budget was Bill Clinton -- surplus of $128 billion in his 2000 budget -- and that Dumbya immediately turned that into a $157.8 billion deficit in his 2001 budget?
If Democrats are "tax and spend", at least we get the money before spending it, rather than "mortgage our kids and grandkids, fuck 'em, not our problem" Republicans.
I agree totally. Both parties are tax and spend. The difference is what the parties want to spend it on. I vote for Roman orgies myself ;-)
Obama helped support genocide in Libya, Syria and Ukraine. And I voted for him twice. Is that why you voted for him? In which case don't complain if direct intervention is made in Venezuela.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 12:46:02 AM
Trump reduced the taxes on the rich to such a degree that he had to increase the amount of money borrowed by a whole 84%. When has anything like that ever happened under the Obama administration? False-equivalence is like your whole schtick. Any time someone voices a legitimate complaint of this overtly corrupt administration, you justify it with, "But remember that one time Obama sneezed and didn't cover it up? Clearly, Trump is just more of the same."
Per MMT theory ... taxes are actually unnecessary. But then MMT folks are insane. MMT is the theory of cash/credit flow, that concentrates on the flows, and ignores the supply, provided that supply is isn't too low. In that theory, the Treasury can simply create enough cash/credit every year, to equal the GDP (as it develops). In that creation from nothing, there are no consequences (inflation). Which is to say, in their theory, the oversupply of cash/credit doesn't drive inflation, but other causes do. Socialism and people here should support MMT theory, because in that theory, you can afford any and all social programs, and the only reason not to do so, is because the rich are sadists, not because there isn't enough money/credit to pay for it.
The responders made my point. Whatever the D party advocated or did in the past, even the recent past is unimportant. Orange man bad! Even if Obama and Trump had the exact same policy and actions it is ... Orange man bad!
Maybe the two years I was here, there were all these Progressive objections to the Obama regime, but I must have been drinking too much and missed all those posts. Hypocrisy isn't just something in the past, it is ongoing today.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 07:04:17 AM
Per MMT theory ... taxes are actually unnecessary. But then MMT folks are insane. MMT is the theory of cash/credit flow, that concentrates on the flows, and ignores the supply, provided that supply is isn't too low. In that theory, the Treasury can simply create enough cash/credit every year, to equal the GDP (as it develops). In that creation from nothing, there are no consequences (inflation). Which is to say, in their theory, the oversupply of cash/credit doesn't drive inflation, but other causes do. Socialism and people here should support MMT theory, because in that theory, you can afford any and all social programs, and the only reason not to do so, is because the rich are sadists, not because there isn't enough money/credit to pay for it.
Typical tax the poor (because there are so many of them) logic. Say you have a teacher earning an income of $50,000. And say you have a wealthy guy who inherited $50,000,000 and has no actual income. The rich guy pays nothing.
Tax the assets along with the income...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 07:19:47 AM
Typical tax the poor (because there are so many of them) logic. Say you have a teacher earning an income of $50,000. And say you have a wealthy guy who inherited $50,000,000 and has no actual income. The rich guy pays nothing.
Tax the assets along with the income...
Doesn't match up with quote. In MMT ... there are no taxes on rich or poor. I am not advocating MMT, just point out that Progressives should.
If you have rich and poor, and you have taxes (as we do) then that is a whole other question.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 07:37:28 AM
Doesn't match up with quote. In MMT ... there are no taxes on rich or poor. I am not advocating MMT, just point out that Progressives should.
If you have rich and poor, and you have taxes (as we do) then that is a whole other question.
Ahh, found your MMT tax argument on a facebook page. What a bad example of logic THAT was!
I love it when people tell me what I "should" believe in. I believe in facts. If MMT works, let's see the evidence supporting that. Otherwise, how about we actually tax the people who have plenty to spare?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
I love it when people tell me what I "should" believe in. I believe in facts. If MMT works, let's see the evidence supporting that. Otherwise, how about we actually tax the people who have plenty to spare?
Warren's idea about taxing assets of those over $50M and $1B makes some sense. Income tax was general when most people earned money that way, but things have changed.
Things have changed because the rich have bought the legislators in congress. With all that money they can stack the deck in their favor to make and keep even more money. And they have no checks and balances to keep them in their place.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 07:19:47 AM
Tax the assets along with the income...
I'd be interested to hear how you would set that up.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 30, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
I'd be interested to hear how you would set that up.
Forget taxing the assets. I'd be satisfied if we just took away all the numerous loopholes the rich use to avoid taxation on their massive incomes.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
I love it when people tell me what I "should" believe in. I believe in facts. If MMT works, let's see the evidence supporting that. Otherwise, how about we actually tax the people who have plenty to spare?
Try communism too. It will be too late after your grand experiment with humanity, Dr Frankenstein. Without forethought, you are just a bumper car.
Not arguing against taxation. In the current scheme of things, it is necessary. But we can't do it right, because we are a criminal species (original sin). Christians think you can expiate original sin, but I am telling you, they are wrong. There is no redemption from Hell.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 12:12:44 PM
Warren's idea about taxing assets of those over $50M and $1B makes some sense. Income tax was general when most people earned money that way, but things have changed.
That and more, was true in 1960. But we have fallen into the septic tanks since then. If you tax A, of course the rich move their money making to B. They aren't stupid. You are (more money = more smart ... at least in Belair).
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
Forget taxing the assets. I'd be satisfied if we just took away all the numerous loopholes the rich use to avoid taxation on their massive incomes.
They paid Congress to put those loopholes in. And the voters were taken to the cleaners. Still want to play this game?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 30, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
Things have changed because the rich have bought the legislators in congress. With all that money they can stack the deck in their favor to make and keep even more money. And they have no checks and balances to keep them in their place.
And there is no way back, except becoming .... Zimbabwe (not Wakanda).
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 30, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
I'd be interested to hear how you would set that up.
Easy ... high real estate taxes. In one scheme, you only have real estate tax, not income tax. This makes the landowners pick up the entire tab.
How to confiscate gold? Make a tax that has to be paid in gold, not dollars.
BTW - corporations don't pay taxes. They pass the tax onto their customer, employees and vendors.
All those big fines that the banks were charged over the past 10 years? They got to take it off their corporate income tax as a deduction.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
They paid Congress to put those loopholes in. And the voters were taken to the cleaners. Still want to play this game?
You ask that as if I have a choice? It's either vote or give up. Those are the only options when it comes to this "game."
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 31, 2019, 12:49:24 AM
You ask that as if I have a choice? It's either vote or give up. Those are the only options when it comes to this "game."
Exactly ... once said ...
Can't win, can't break even, can't get out of the game. Life is an opportunity to show character in adversity, and whining about it doesn't cut it.
QuoteIn an ongoing effort to topple Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, Vice President Mike Pence met with members of the Venezuelan opposition at the White House Tuesday alongside Trump’s new special envoy to Venezuela, Elliott Abrams. Elliott Abrams is a right-wing hawk who was convicted in 1991 for lying to Congress during the Iran-Contra scandal, but he was later pardoned by President George H.W. Bush. Abrams defended Guatemalan dictator General EfraÃn RÃos Montt as he oversaw a campaign of mass murder and torture of indigenous people in Guatemala in the 1980s. RÃos Montt was later convicted of genocide. Abrams was also linked to the 2002 coup in Venezuela that attempted to topple Hugo Chávez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrcT3GJuh0A
QuoteAs the Trump administration continues its attempt to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, the U.S. has imposed a de facto embargo on oil from Venezuela’s state-run oil company. The new sanctions include exemptions for several U.S. firms, including Chevron and Halliburton, to allow them to continue working in Venezuela. We speak with prize-winning investigative journalist Allan Nairn about the push to privatize Venezuela’s oil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wifJII9W6ZI
Winning, not whining. And where is your Che t-shirt?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
Forget taxing the assets. I'd be satisfied if we just took away all the numerous loopholes the rich use to avoid taxation on their massive incomes.
I'd recommend a transaction tax on market trades; they don't have to be large because of the volume involved, they encourage buying and selling based on longer-term thinking, and they provide a disincentive to day-trading and other forms of market churn.
Also with regard to tax rates... mine run about 25% between fed, state and city at my income level, and then my refunds take it down to about 18%. But I'd much rather make $100,000 a year and pay 35%, or a million a year and pay 50%, even after refunds.
I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone bitching and moaning about their taxes when their net is ten, fifty, a hundred times my gross.
Quote from: Baruch on February 01, 2019, 06:49:51 PM
Winning, not whining. And where is your Che t-shirt?
Odd that you should say that, for you are the biggest whiner on this board, as well as the biggest setter of false equivalents. I'd rather wear a Che t-shirt than own one of trump, reagan, or any bush.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 01, 2019, 09:12:53 PM
Odd that you should say that, for you are the biggest whiner on this board, as well as the biggest setter of false equivalents. I'd rather wear a Che t-shirt than own one of trump, reagan, or any bush.
All things are equal, in Newspeak. There are no false equivalents. I don't whine about Obama or Trump, do I? I mock those who are grown men and women, who whine though. Adults are like children after all, they can't get over themselves. And I deliberately used a Trumptard word "winning". I don't know that I am winning ... like I said, things have pretty much sucked since 1963. I had high hopes, but my doctor removed those tumors some time ago.
Yes, you do have a reflexive hate of Republicans. I pretend I have a reflexive hate of Democrats, just to crowd please here. As was recently observed, I am a radical centrist. I am my own Che. If people here had a reflexive hatred of Democrats, I would knock Republicans. Did you hear about the 2016 Republican Presidential candidate line up? I did too, wasn't too funny, was it? JEB is our one true messiah.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
Forget taxing the assets. I'd be satisfied if we just took away all the numerous loopholes the rich use to avoid taxation on their massive incomes.
Taxing assets would free the most extreme wealthy inheritors (who have no technical income) of the burden of their wealth. LOL! Let's say you are a Walmart child and have $50M in untaxable assets. Would you even notice a 2% tax on that? Oh sure, you might scream about it, but could you actually notice the difference?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 02:02:20 AM
Taxing assets would free the most extreme wealthy inheritors (who have no technical income) of the burden of their wealth. LOL! Let's say you are a Walmart child and have $50M in untaxable assets. Would you even notice a 2% tax on that? Oh sure, you might scream about it, but could you actually notice the difference?
Multinationals .. how do you tax assets in other countries? Reciprocal taxation? The US is one of the biggest tax dodges for non-Americans around.
Quote from: Baruch on February 03, 2019, 03:38:06 AM
Multinationals .. how do you tax assets in other countries? Reciprocal taxation? The US is one of the biggest tax dodges for non-Americans around.
That's pretty odd, considering that most Republicans/conservatives think that corporate inversion is one of the biggest threats to the US tax base. That's where US corporations are fleeing overseas. But yet you think the US is the best place to dodge taxes...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 04:56:16 AM
That's pretty odd, considering that most Republicans/conservatives think that corporate inversion is one of the biggest threats to the US tax base. That's where US corporations are fleeing overseas. But yet you think the US is the best place to dodge taxes...
They are already there (MS and Apple in China). But many non-US companies/individuals flee here (see Wyoming).
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/wyoming-state-income-tax.html
Desperate Trump goes full fundie (https://abcnews.go.com/beta-story-container/Politics/trump-emerges-unexpected-champion-white-house-evangelicals/story?id=60894454)
QuoteThe president’s remarks focused on areas where the evangelical community say the president has delivered for them, which includes appointing conservative judges and taking an anti-abortion stance.
“Children, born and unborn, are made in the holy image of God,†the president said as the room erupted in applause. “Every life is sacred and every soul is a precious gift from heaven, as the Lord says,†he continued, echoing comments he made in Tuesday's State of the Union address.
QuoteAt one point during his remarks, the president appeared to misspeak or misread from the Teleprompter and touted the "abolition of civil rights" as an accomplishment led by "people of faith."
"I will never let you down," the president said to the room.
This is curiously timed as his approval rating sunk low (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428899-trump-had-worst-monthly-approval-rating-of-his-presidency-in-january) this January. I guess if you're badly in need of a sucker, it's convenient to have reliable brand at the ready.
I don't think he misspoke or misread from the teleprompter - evangelicals are trying to abolish civil rights and create a theocracy in America.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
I don't think he misspoke or misread from the teleprompter - evangelicals are trying to abolish civil rights and create a theocracy in America.
Nah. They're the real victims here. Between regular Starbucks cups, "Happy Holidays" said by some people around the holidays, evolution taught in schools, and abortion theoretically legal (abortion access is suspiciously worsening somehow), evangelical Christians - the only true Christians - are under full attack by liberals in all their satanic fury. I suppose evangelicals can console themselves with regular access to the POTUS, though that seems like such a small redress for all the persecution they've suffered.
Yeah, all those poor persecuted God-botherers finally have a messiah in the White House!
Funny. I thought Trump said during his campaign that he had no intention of reversing abortion because "the Supreme Court already made their decision." Does this mean the President...lied? *Gasp*
Well, according to Franklin Graham, Trump had never lied. And according to Sarah H. Sanders, God wanted him to be president. So, we're in good hands, even though the lousy libtards are hounding him with a witch hunt.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 06:44:31 PM
Well, according to Franklin Graham, Trump had never lied. And according to Sarah H. Sanders, God wanted him to be president. So, we're in good hands, even though the lousy libtards are hounding him with a witch hunt.
When you want someone to do a man's job ... elect a man ;-) Not all people who appear to be men, are men. Partisans lie about their team.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 07, 2019, 06:33:41 PM
Funny. I thought Trump said during his campaign that he had no intention of reversing abortion because "the Supreme Court already made their decision." Does this mean the President...lied? *Gasp*
No. That is conspiracy theory. Libs now want abortion on demand up until and after actual normal delivery. Feminism ... women who hate babies. Any abortion after maybe first trimester, is murder, always has been. If we can abort, after normal delivery, then we need to abort the liberals first.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
I don't think he misspoke or misread from the teleprompter - evangelicals are trying to abolish civil rights and create a theocracy in America.
They will, if they can. But won't the Catholics fuck all their evangelical children first?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 02:22:53 PM
Yeah, all those poor persecuted God-botherers finally have a messiah in the White House!
Only heretics think that. All Americans are heretics ... oops!
Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2019, 07:57:41 PM
They will, if they can. But won't the Catholics fuck all their evangelical children first?
It isn't just children they rape, but apparently nuns, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-5xvuql4A
Duh. I have said for awhile, most priests are hetero and not pedophile. So who are they fucking?
Solution, just say no to celibacy. Even Apostle Paul recommends this unless you have no concupiscence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concupiscence
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 07, 2019, 06:33:41 PM
Funny. I thought Trump said during his campaign that he had no intention of reversing abortion because "the Supreme Court already made their decision." Does this mean the President...lied? *Gasp*
That was gay marriage (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-president-elect-donald-trump-sex-marriage-settled/story?id=43513067). And that court case was fairly recent. Somehow, the 40+ old abortion case is not settled law. Trump logic. Go figure.
I remember how adamant evangelicals were about opposing gay marriage. Strange that this is their guy. I guess you have to take what you can get these days. Party first, principles second (or not at all)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 08:06:00 PM
It isn't just children they rape, but apparently nuns, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-5xvuql4A
Shocking*.
*(Editor's note; not at all shocking)
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2019, 09:04:12 PM
Party first, principles second (or not at all)
More like "Party first, and what are these 'principles' you refer to?"
Quote from: trdsf on February 07, 2019, 10:54:32 PM
More like "Party first, and what are these 'principles' you refer to?"
Small government (except for the military and drug war)
Fiscal responsibility (basically never)
Good stewards of the earth (yet global warming is globalist fiction)
Family values (as taught by the third wife alongside the fourth mistress)
Personal responsibility (it's almost inconceivable that this was ever a right-wing thing)
A shame, too. The on-paper Republicans aren't that bad. Hell, I'd probably support them if they got on board with science, toned down the social issues and bible-beating, and ran a pretty middle-of-the-road campaign.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2019, 09:04:12 PM
That was gay marriage (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-president-elect-donald-trump-sex-marriage-settled/story?id=43513067). And that court case was fairly recent. Somehow, the 40+ old abortion case is not settled law. Trump logic. Go figure.
I remember how adamant evangelicals were about opposing gay marriage. Strange that this is their guy. I guess you have to take what you can get these days. Party first, principles second (or not at all)
Settled law? Like the SCOTUS Dred Scott decision? Bwahah. SCOTUS is political and ephemeral just like the rest of it.
Hypocrisy and hyperbole oh my ... Philosophical Dorothy
Was Trump really first in his class at Wharton? Or did he just pull another lie out of his ass?
Was Trump really a top student at Wharton? His classmates say not so much (https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton)
President Beelzebutt does it again!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2019, 08:07:10 PM
Was Trump really first in his class at Wharton? Or did he just pull another lie out of his ass?
Was Trump really a top student at Wharton? His classmates say not so much (https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton)
President Beelzebutt does it again!
I heard people say the same about Obama, that he never spoke up in class. So maybe all US Presidents are preselected from shape shifting lizard aliens?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2019, 08:07:10 PM
Was Trump really first in his class at Wharton? Or did he just pull another lie out of his ass?
Was Trump really a top student at Wharton? His classmates say not so much (https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton)
President Beelzebutt does it again!
At this stage, it's news when he tells the truth. According to Politifact, they haven't identified an unequivocal truth from him in three and a half months (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/true/), but the latest bald-faced lie was only just less than a month ago (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/).
Fully 69% of Lord Dampnut's pronouncements have been mostly false, false, or goddamned lies (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/); only 11% have been just mostly true, and only 4% genuinely true.
What is truth? - Pontius Pilatus
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2019, 08:07:10 PM
Was Trump really first in his class at Wharton? Or did he just pull another lie out of his ass?
Was Trump really a top student at Wharton? His classmates say not so much (https://www.thedp.com/article/2017/02/trump-academics-at-wharton)
President Beelzebutt does it again!
Trump? First in his class?
(https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lol_vladimir_putin.gif)
Let's Just Say It: The Republicans Are The Problem (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.41f9ce6921d4)
QuoteWe have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 09, 2019, 02:22:35 PM
Let's Just Say It: The Republicans Are The Problem (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/lets-just-say-it-the-republicans-are-the-problem/2012/04/27/gIQAxCVUlT_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.41f9ce6921d4)
QuoteWe have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.
Well, duh. lol. You could call the Democratic Party mediocre at worst, but Republicans? They're outright corrupt, they reject science, embrace pseudoscience, and support theocratic policies. To say the two are equally bad options is absolutely ridiculous. Que our resident theist.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 09, 2019, 02:59:08 PM
Well, duh. lol. You could call the Democratic Party mediocre at worst, but Republicans? They're outright corrupt, they reject science, embrace pseudoscience, and support theocratic policies. To say the two are equally bad options is absolutely ridiculous. Que our resident theist.
Republican play to win. Democrats play to loose. Morality has nothing to do with it.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 09, 2019, 02:59:08 PMWell, duh. lol. You could call the Democratic Party mediocre at worst, but Republicans? They're outright corrupt, they reject science, embrace pseudoscience, and support theocratic policies. To say the two are equally bad options is absolutely ridiculous. Que our resident theist.
No kidding. I just saw a little blurb about how a Fox News host hasn't washed his hands in years because he doesn't believe in germs (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/11/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-wash-hands-10-years/2835616002/).
And these are the people the President turns to in his "executive time" for guidance. A pretty sizable portion of the public eats up whatever swill falls out of their mouths as well. It's a sad state of affairs when actual journalists are compared to psuedoscientific buffoons as if they were of equal stature.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 11, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
No kidding. I just saw a little blurb about how a Fox News host hasn't washed his hands in years because he doesn't believe in germs (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/11/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-wash-hands-10-years/2835616002/).
And these are the people the President turns to in his "executive time" for guidance. A pretty sizable portion of the public eats up whatever swill falls out of their mouths as well. It's a sad state of affairs when actual journalists are compared to psuedoscientific buffoons as if they were of equal stature.
Howard Hughes opposite? He was paranoid about germs. Fact .. overuse of cleanser has damaged human ability to deal with ordinary germs. Overprescription of antibiotics is building super-bugs thru darwinian evil-ution.
Actual journalists like ... Mussolini or Goebbels?
QuoteAccording to reports, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has been making huge profits by the family separation policies of the Trump Administration. The reports show that DeVos is invested heavily in adoption agency corporations that have been receiving and adopting out the migrant children that are being separated from their parents at the border. Everything this administration does is about the money, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCKtMvURmTk
QuoteRecently, the Trump administration told us that some of the thousands of children that they separated from their parents at the border and sent off to adoption agencies who then place them with sponsor families, uh, thousands of them. It's just too difficult to track them down to reunite them with their family. We just, we can't do that. We don't have the technology. I mean we have the technology back in the sixties to send human beings to the moon and get them home safely, but caught reuniting a child in the digital age with their parents. It is a step too far for this administration that seems wholly incompetent and that incompetence is 100 percent by design. This administration had no concern for returning these kids to their parents. They wanted to send a message to the rest of the world that if you come over here, we're going to make your life a living hell.
We're going to ruin your life. We're going to take away your kids. You'll probably never get them back. So you better think twice about coming here and there. Little plan there has backfired. Well, at least for everybody, except for Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, because as it turns out, Betsy DeVos, as she has with every other aspect of her life, is profiting hugely off the separation of families at the border being perpetrated by the Trump administration. Here's how this little scam that Betsy DeVos is helping to run works. Betsy DeVos, her family holds interest in a company called Bethany Christian services. Bethany Christian services has been one of the top recipients of these migrant children who have been separated from their families. Some of them get adopted out, some of them just get placed with sponsor families, but Bethany Christian services doesn't really keep good track of them. So there's not a whole lot to do.
And since they're taking in these, I guess you'd call them political prisoners from the federal government, there are getting a lot of federal tax payer money to go and lose these kids. Brian DeVos, Betsy DeVos, his cousin in law is actually an executive, uh, with Bethany Christian services. So the divorce family itself is profiting with our tax dollars off of these family separation policies. So if you're wondering why they're still doing this, even after they told us, first of all, they never had a policy to do it and second of all, they were just going to stop doing it anyway, but it's still happening every single day down there at the border and now they can't find any of the kids, but they're still gonna ship them to these horrible places like Bethany Christian. Uh, if you're wondering why that's still happening, it's because there's a member of the administration making money off of it.
She is not a nice person. Nice people don't work in politics. Never have.
As far as separating families, i would prefer to make the immigrants into tacos.
The children should be particularly tender (A Modest Proposal).
Mexican nachos, made with real Mexicans ;-(
If cannibalism is good enough for N Korea, it is good enough for the USA.
From another section, but it fits here ...
"Dems Border Proposal "Making This Entire Country A Sanctuary" For Illegals" ... Wilson's War where were employed jihadis to do our will since the 1980s, up until and including ISIS? Usually we repatriate the bastards that worked for the US instead of their own country ... S Vietnamese for example. Pr126 and Munch will be pleased if the US accepts all such Islamist illegals we can fill in the spaces with.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 11, 2019, 05:10:31 PM
QuoteAccording to reports, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has been making huge profits by the family separation policies of the Trump Administration. The reports show that DeVos is invested heavily in adoption agency corporations that have been receiving and adopting out the migrant children that are being separated from their parents at the border. Everything this administration does is about the money, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCKtMvURmTk
QuoteRecently, the Trump administration told us that some of the thousands of children that they separated from their parents at the border and sent off to adoption agencies who then place them with sponsor families, uh, thousands of them. It's just too difficult to track them down to reunite them with their family. We just, we can't do that. We don't have the technology. I mean we have the technology back in the sixties to send human beings to the moon and get them home safely, but caught reuniting a child in the digital age with their parents. It is a step too far for this administration that seems wholly incompetent and that incompetence is 100 percent by design. This administration had no concern for returning these kids to their parents. They wanted to send a message to the rest of the world that if you come over here, we're going to make your life a living hell.
We're going to ruin your life. We're going to take away your kids. You'll probably never get them back. So you better think twice about coming here and there. Little plan there has backfired. Well, at least for everybody, except for Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, because as it turns out, Betsy DeVos, as she has with every other aspect of her life, is profiting hugely off the separation of families at the border being perpetrated by the Trump administration. Here's how this little scam that Betsy DeVos is helping to run works. Betsy DeVos, her family holds interest in a company called Bethany Christian services. Bethany Christian services has been one of the top recipients of these migrant children who have been separated from their families. Some of them get adopted out, some of them just get placed with sponsor families, but Bethany Christian services doesn't really keep good track of them. So there's not a whole lot to do.
And since they're taking in these, I guess you'd call them political prisoners from the federal government, there are getting a lot of federal tax payer money to go and lose these kids. Brian DeVos, Betsy DeVos, his cousin in law is actually an executive, uh, with Bethany Christian services. So the divorce family itself is profiting with our tax dollars off of these family separation policies. So if you're wondering why they're still doing this, even after they told us, first of all, they never had a policy to do it and second of all, they were just going to stop doing it anyway, but it's still happening every single day down there at the border and now they can't find any of the kids, but they're still gonna ship them to these horrible places like Bethany Christian. Uh, if you're wondering why that's still happening, it's because there's a member of the administration making money off of it.
Fucking evil witch.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 11, 2019, 11:46:08 AM
No kidding. I just saw a little blurb about how a Fox News host hasn't washed his hands in years because he doesn't believe in germs (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/11/fox-news-host-pete-hegseth-wash-hands-10-years/2835616002/).
And these are the people the President turns to in his "executive time" for guidance. A pretty sizable portion of the public eats up whatever swill falls out of their mouths as well. It's a sad state of affairs when actual journalists are compared to psuedoscientific buffoons as if they were of equal stature.
And the reason he doesn't believe in germs is because he "can't see them" (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47201923). But I betcha he believes in one god or another... yeesh. He's now trying to walk it back and saying he was "joking".
Meanwhile, I harbor a secret hope that the Orange Disaster Area -- a noted germophobe -- has shaken hands with him recently. :D
Quote from: trdsf on February 12, 2019, 12:02:45 AMHe's now trying to walk it back and saying he was "joking".
It's possible he was, though I can't say that Fox News personalities are known for their (intentional) humor. There's a reason there's no conservative equivalent to The Daily Show.
Half the population is dumber than you, if you are even average.
i am beginning to suspect that the only people who work in government are people who can't find work elsewhere ;-)
I don't wash my hands as often as I probably should. But the germs and I have made a pact - I don't fuck with them and they don't fuck with me.
Seems to be working pretty well, so far.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 12, 2019, 01:24:49 PM
I don't wash my hands as often as I probably should. But the germs and I have made a pact - I don't fuck with them and they don't fuck with me.
Seems to be working pretty well, so far.
You could always mutate into a bleu cheese ;-)
Now you can get sick on your own terms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIq7PA-fn88
Jeez, what'll they think of next!?
Political parties have been like used toilet paper, for decades!
OK. What a few hours difference it makes. Conservatives were concerned that Trump had given up any real effort for The Wall, having been compromised to bits by the DNC and RNC. Now he has declared a national emergency, to get an $8 billion wall (not the $1.5 billion in the proposed legislation). Martial law ... to be opposed by Generalissimo AOC (last seen dressed up like Castro with a fake beard).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoVdarCEkc
Back to the 1960s we go.
Mods, can you move my post to the following thread?
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=13344.0
I think it's more appropriate.
Quote from: Sylar on February 15, 2019, 09:57:52 PM
Mods, can you move my post to the following thread?
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=13344.0
I think it's more appropriate.
Just click "Remove" on your post, after copying the post of course, then post it where you want it to be.
I'm sure Putin laughs himself to sleep every night thinking about all the chaos and disruption his operative Trump is causing in America.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 17, 2019, 08:29:54 PM
I'm sure Putin laughs himself to sleep every night thinking about all the chaos and disruption his operative Trump is causing in America.
If Putin has super-powers, I know who I am worshipping ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHaVH9HhfI
Good thing I studied Russian for 4 years in HS. We will bury you, comrade!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9va6cfRu7Zg
We should support Adolph Hitler, the one true prophet of modernity?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_3wanH27sc
But what about our good Chinese allies? cough, cough ... all their US/Euro borrowed technology supplied by your iPhone purchases? And stolen advanced nuke technology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSt5Lvpxpc
This isn't actually a reason to impeach the Orange Disaster Area, but it is something that should give you pause about some of his supporters.
Hard as it is to believe, this editorial titled "Klan needs to ride again" was published not in February of 1919, but just last week (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47295551). The editor then doubled down on the evil by telling another Alabama newspaper asking him about the incendiary editorial that "We'll get the hemp ropes out, loop them over a tall limb and hang all of them (https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2019/02/18/alabama-newspaper-ku-klux-klan-to-night-ride-again-linden-democrat-reporter-goodloe-sutton/2910436002/)".
Who are "them"? Why, Democrats, "Democrats in the Republican Party", and "socialist-communists" who it's okay to lynch because they aren't really Americans.
If your stomach can handle it, this is just the latest in a long line of evil from this little paper (https://www.alreporter.com/2019/02/19/editor-who-wrote-klan-editorial-has-penned-countless-racist-sexist-xenophobic-pieces/). This is just the first time (at least that anyone can find) that he's outright called for assassination of politicians he disagrees with.
He has been, needless to say, an absolutely slavering and slobbering Trump supporter from the moment the Mango Mussolini announced he was running. Although he's been a racist and sexist and homophobe for even longerâ€"the closest he's gotten to supporting the African-American community (I mean, other than from a rope) was to try to claim that the homosexuals were stealing their spotlight (https://www.alreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/022615.png).
Welcome to the party of Trump. Please check your morals at the door.
Wow, this guy is just full of Christian love, huh?
I would suggest not being a drag queen in certain neighborhoods. Don't be White in some neighborhoods either.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
Wow, this guy is just full of Christian love, huh?
"Love" is one of those words that mean something completely different to Christians than to everyone else. That and "freedom," "know," "good," etc.
QuoteHouse Democrats are accusing the Trump administration of moving toward transferring highly sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in potential violation of U.S. law. Critics say the deal could endanger national security while enriching close allies of President Trump. Saudi Arabia is considering building as many as 16 nuclear power plants by 2030, but many critics fear the kingdom could use the technology to develop nuclear weapons and trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. We speak with Democratic Congressmember Ro Khanna of California and Isaac Arnsdorf, a reporter with ProPublica. Arnsdorf first wrote about the intense and secretive lobbying effort to give nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia in 2017. His reporting was cited in the House report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfkdLuHfl-c
That's just what we need - a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
Already happening. The day the Iranians have a nuke, the Saudis will have one. Pakistan is Sunni. It is inevitable, as part of Agenda 21, that Sunni and Shia should ...
He must be using something.
Trump wants 6G internet ‘as soon as possible’
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/21/18234540/donald-trump-6g-internet-5g-us-telecom-cell-network-carriers
"ı want 5g, and even 6g, technology in the united states as soon as possible. ıt is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. american companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind. there is no reason that we should be lagging behind on something that is so obviously the future. ı want the united states to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies. we must always be the leader in everything we do, especially when it comes to the very exciting world of technology "
Yet America isn't the best.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 21, 2019, 10:03:33 AM
He must be using something.
Trump wants 6G internet ‘as soon as possible’
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/21/18234540/donald-trump-6g-internet-5g-us-telecom-cell-network-carriers
"ı want 5g, and even 6g, technology in the united states as soon as possible. ıt is far more powerful, faster, and smarter than the current standard. american companies must step up their efforts, or get left behind. there is no reason that we should be lagging behind on something that is so obviously the future. ı want the united states to win through competition, not by blocking out currently more advanced technologies. we must always be the leader in everything we do, especially when it comes to the very exciting world of technology "
It is about network security, NSA/GCHQ. As long as there are holes that the Western security services have, then your network equipment is OK. I presume that China was doing the same with Huawei and was going to share the metadata. Maybe the blowup occurred because the Chinese decided they were not going to share the metadata at all.
You really don't understand communications, it isn't about art, it is about spying.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 21, 2019, 12:16:25 PM
Yet America isn't the best.
Never was, never will be. Britain is best ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
I don't think he misspoke or misread from the teleprompter - evangelicals are trying to abolish civil rights and create a theocracy in America.
It could be both accidental teleprompter misreading AND the truth. Sometimes one like Trump can misread AND mean what he says. His mind is very fluid (watery).
Quote from: Baruch on February 21, 2019, 12:56:42 PM
It is about network security, NSA/GCHQ. As long as there are holes that the Western security services have, then your network equipment is OK. I presume that China was doing the same with Huawei and was going to share the metadata. Maybe the blowup occurred because the Chinese decided they were not going to share the metadata at all.
You really don't understand communications, it isn't about art, it is about spying.
LOL Do you get the point ?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 22, 2019, 10:46:14 AM
LOL Do you get the point ?
Your point ... that Euro-communism was right, before and after the fall of the Soviet Union ... as in that being pointed enough?
I am always surprised when otherwise intelligent people are completely blind to obvious things about their situation. Like ... the government is powerful and uses that power for its own purposes, not for you.
BTW - NJ wants to pass a law, banning anyone who is a millionaire, from running for office ... which would include Trump in 2020. Death to Capitalism! Long Live Lenin!
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
I am always surprised when otherwise intelligent people are completely blind to obvious things about their situation. Like ... the government is powerful and uses that power for its own purposes, not for you.
You never fail to amuse me. OF COURSE the GOVERNMENT strives to control things. It is made of people and people want to control things to their own ends. That's why Ben Franklin said we had "A Republic, if you can keep it." It TAKES some "keeping".
And that is why Trump and his lickspittle cronies are a danger to our Republic. They want to end it. And I don't mean partisan politics either. Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives alike see the danger (though some are more fearful of their political careers than others).
This is really fascinating! It only peripherally concerns Trump, but America's relationship with Saudi Arabia seems to be very complicated:
QuoteIn a TRMS Special Report, Rachel Maddow shares newly published documents revealing former Vice President Spiro Agnew appealed to the Saudi crown prince for millions of dollars to support what he described as a Zionist conspiracy against him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZcLAmsWnE
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2019, 02:28:11 PM
This is really fascinating! It only peripherally concerns Trump, but America's relationship with Saudi Arabia seems to be very complicated:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZcLAmsWnE
The US should distance itself from all of The Middle East. They exist only due to oil, and oil is going to be obsolete "soon".
When oil and gas are obsolete, so will most of humanity. Renewable (minus nuclear) will be insufficient for the present population or life style. Low density energy is not a one for one replacement of high density energy.
Yes, the Saudis are nasty, but the US is just as nasty. Beware the day, when everyone gets what is coming to them.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 06:36:59 PM
When oil and gas are obsolete, so will most of humanity. Renewable (minus nuclear) will be insufficient for the present population or life style. Low density energy is not a one for one replacement of high density energy.
Yes, the Saudis are nasty, but the US is just as nasty. Beware the day, when everyone gets what is coming to them.
Well, first, I didn't say "minus nuclear". And second, you fail to account for technology improvement.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 06:42:11 PM
Well, first, I didn't say "minus nuclear". And second, you fail to account for technology improvement.
Technology improvement = free lunch? Only to the ignorant.
Yes, most of your Lefty friends are anti-nuclear, even thorium reactors. Fusion reactors are not radiation free either.
It was Marx, the greatest technology prophet of all time, who thought that the steam engine and coal would lead to a free lunch utopia.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 06:46:32 PM
Technology improvement = free lunch? Only to the ignorant.
Yes, most of your Lefty friends are anti-nuclear, even thorium reactors. Fusion reactors are not radiation free either.
It was Marx, the greatest technology prophet of all time, who thought that the steam engine and coal would lead to a free lunch utopia.
Moore's Law, human ingenuity, and dumbass persistence... Beats a Luddite Flush (eventually.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Moore's Law, human ingenuity, and dumbass persistence... Beats a Luddite Flush (eventually.
Only if you eat silicon chips with French dip ;-) Humans are ingenious? Since when? Dumbass, definitely. Entropy will terminate any persistence.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
Only if you eat silicon chips with French dip ;-) Humans are ingenious? Since when? Dumbass, definitely. Entropy will terminate any persistence.
If it were up to you, we would be sweeping our caves very clean...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 06:55:41 PM
If it were up to you, we would be sweeping our caves very clean...
If it were up to you, we would be filing paperwork on that, in triplicate, on the cave walls ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:18:58 PM
If it were up to you, we would be filing paperwork on that, in triplicate, on the cave walls ;-)
Me? I hate paperwork except "after". Keep what ya need and toss the rest...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
The US should distance itself from all of The Middle East. They exist only due to oil, and oil is going to be obsolete "soon".
That's probably going to be the single greatest benefit of a post-oil system -- the ruination of the religious hystericals funded by the various Arab states when those funds go away, and the evaporation of those states' international power.
We can't impeach the president because Dems are scared they will lose office next term. So the obvious criminal tyrant can't be purged because republicans are idiots.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-democrats-impeach-trump
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 23, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
We can't impeach the president because Dems are scared they will lose office next term. So the obvious criminal tyrant can't be purged because republicans are idiots.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-democrats-impeach-trump
The Dems, like the Repubs in 1999, only want to virtue signal thru impeachment. They won't convict. Convictions mean they all end at the end of a rope.
Quote from: trdsf on February 23, 2019, 12:29:56 AM
That's probably going to be the single greatest benefit of a post-oil system -- the ruination of the religious hystericals funded by the various Arab states when those funds go away, and the evaporation of those states' international power.
With the return of the Middle Ages, that puts the Catholic Church back in power ;-) The Catholics have the "mass", they don't need no stinkin' oil.
QuoteGee I wonder where the Coast Guard terrorist got the idea to kill all of Donald Trump's enemies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Greeancrafk
With more than 100 million Trump supporters, even a small percentage of them, say 1%, (that's more than a million people!) willing to commit violence in the name of their idol, this country would be in grave trouble.
I see no problem with killing traitors. My list is different than yours. Though neither of us are assassins.
This is what happens when Centrism is rejected.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 23, 2019, 12:42:27 AM
We can't impeach the president because Dems are scared they will lose office next term. So the obvious criminal tyrant can't be purged because republicans are idiots.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/house-democrats-impeach-trump
Well, we can impeach assuming a party-line vote in the House. What we can't do is convict because as matters stand right now, there's no path to picking up 18 Republican votes to convict in the Senate. And a party-line vote in the House just looks like a hatchet job, or a tit-for-tat for the impeachment of Bill Clinton.
What worries me more is that
even if clear evidence of criminal activity is produced, you
still won't get 18 Republican Senators to vote to convict. There will be no delegation of leading Republicans to the White House, as there was in 1974 after the release of the 'smoking gun' tape, to tell him that it's over because they just don't care. Orrin Hatch said so explicitly, when questioned about allegations of criminal activity made by a US attorney:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9Ldkn5UDsI
Not even a pretense of "well I haven't seen the evidence" -- that would have been a fair comment, and a much less damning way to duck the question. Instead, Hatch just put it out there. The Pope can only dream of receiving the blind, slavering support that the Orange Disaster Area gets.
In 1974, Republicans still gave a shit about the country. In 2019 they no longer do.
Those Republicans are hard to figure. It's almost as if they've taken big bribes or been subject to major threats, to themselves or their families, to keep them from turning against Trump. I hope that's not the case, but it's hard to know why else they act as they do.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 23, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
Those Republicans are hard to figure. It's almost as if they've taken big bribes or been subject to major threats, to themselves or their families, to keep them from turning against Trump. I hope that's not the case, but it's hard to know why else they act as they do.
I am sure the "KKK" liberals can threaten families, and ICE employees, just like they did with Tucker Carlson. People here, with a different spin, would burn crosses on peopl's front yards ... at least if the homeowner is Catholic ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on February 23, 2019, 07:48:30 PM
I am sure the "KKK" liberals can threaten families, and ICE employees, just like they did with Tucker Carlson. People here, with a different spin, would burn crosses on peoples front yards ... at least if the homeowner is Catholic ;-)
Once again you are so full of shit it is dribbling out of your mouth.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 23, 2019, 08:06:05 PM
Once again you are so full of shit it is dribbling out of your mouth.
You aren't the extremist in this string, are you? Then it doesn't apply to you. If you think that any people have a right to special treatment, for any reason, then you are part of the problem. Needless to say, the wealthy, powerful and famous expect this special treatment. Spit in their soup.
"The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged!"
-- Trump
"The Washington Post is a Fact Checker only for the Democrats. For the Republicans, and for your all time favorite President, it is a Fake Fact Checker."
-- Trump
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2019, 07:21:23 AM
"The Mueller investigation is totally conflicted, illegal and rigged!"
-- Trump
"The Washington Post is a Fact Checker only for the Democrats. For the Republicans, and for your all time favorite President, it is a Fake Fact Checker."
-- Trump
in politics, there is no truth. Because politics is inherently biased, and strongly motivated.
Andrew McCabe claims Trump wanted war in Venezuela because “they have all that oil†(https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/20/18233394/mccabe-trump-venezuela-war-oil-lawrence)
I've been wondering all this time which country the Trump regime would go to war with first - would it be Venezuela or Iran? Or some other country? Well, we may be about to find out.
A war for oil can not be considered a "just war." A war for power cannot be considered a "just war." A war for Trump's prestige cannot be considered a "just war." A war for the profits of "defense" contractors cannot be considered a "just war."
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
Andrew McCabe claims Trump wanted war in Venezuela because “they have all that oil†(https://www.vox.com/world/2019/2/20/18233394/mccabe-trump-venezuela-war-oil-lawrence)
I've been wondering all this time which country the Trump regime would go to war with first - would it be Venezuela or Iran? Or some other country? Well, we may be about to find out.
A war for oil can not be considered a "just war." A war for power cannot be considered a "just war." A was for Trump's prestige cannot be considered a "just war." A war for the profits of "defense" contractors cannot be considered a "just war."
I agree--and the only 'just' wars for the US since WWII would be Korea, Kuwait, the beginning of the going after Osama. And one could question our conduct in all of those.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 25, 2019, 06:28:15 PM
I agree--and the only 'just' wars for the US since WWII would be Korea, Kuwait, the beginning of the going after Osama. And one could question our conduct in all of those.
I do too, but not because we get the oil. We didn't get the oil in Iraq, China did. Same with the minerals in Afghanistan. Going to China. So who is working for who?
The shadow reason is to keep resources out of the hands of Russia (which doesn't need them now anyway). The real reason is to secure them for China. If we go to war with Vietnam again, it will be because China told us to.
QuoteChinese negotiation Lui He laughs in Donald Trump's face in the Oval Office as Trump makes bogus and ridiculous claims about MOU's and trade agreements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krqy0srYelg
When this happened, with the Roman delegation to the city of Tarentum (the Greeks made fun of bad Latin pronunciation of Greek aka barber (ian)) ... it was war to the finish, capishe? I would hope that insults are not exchanged.
in any case, we can't tell if this is an act, or real insults. A part of me loves China, another part (Douglas MacArthur) would kill a billion people. See what inevitable competition for scarce resources brings about?
Quote from: trdsf on February 23, 2019, 12:29:56 AM
That's probably going to be the single greatest benefit of a post-oil system -- the ruination of the religious hystericals funded by the various Arab states when those funds go away, and the evaporation of those states' international power.
Indeed, one of the many benefits of escaping oil as a primary source of fuel is the diminution of the Middle Eastern Monarchies. Not for their religion (since I dislike all equally) but because of their casual but always-enforced racism, sexism, fascism, and social cruelty. I can only hope that economic changes will drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 05:06:24 AM
Indeed, one of the many benefits of escaping oil as a primary source of fuel is the diminution of the Middle Eastern Monarchies. Not for their religion (since I dislike all equally) but because of their casual but always-enforced racism, sexism, fascism, and social cruelty. I can only hope that economic changes will drag them kicking and screaming into the 19th century.
Easy .... walk everywhere. Don't heat your house unless you have a wood lot. You can't escape the need for energy, just what form you use. The most important energy source being food. If you don't grow all your own, you are a parasite on farmers. Cross of Gold Speech ... time to end urbanism.
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 06:46:06 AM
Easy .... walk everywhere. Don't heat your house unless you have a wood lot. You can't escape the need for energy, just what form you use. The most important energy source being food. If you don't grow all your own, you are a parasite on farmers. Cross of Gold Speech ... time to end urbanism.
What did you eat today? Name everything you can...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 08:26:23 AM
What did you eat today? Name everything you can...
Bourgeois is as bourgeois does. You are comfortable. Most of the world will hate you for that.
Well, Cohen\s opening statement to congress is certainly interesting. But the Republicans will just call him a liar and rally round their idol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMGaAvc0Cko
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
Well, Cohen\s opening statement to congress is certainly interesting. But the Republicans will just call him a liar and rally round their idol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMGaAvc0Cko
How is it Cohen is serving time for acting on behalf of Trump, but Trump is still a free man? If one is a criminal, doesn't that necessarily criminalize the other?
How come a convicted felon is testifying? #BelieveFelons.
Eventually the desperate Dems will get Trump, because he didn't return a library book in 1965.
Trump walked out of the summit with Kim? Breaking up is hard to do! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2019, 01:34:21 PM
Trump walked out of the summit with Kim? Breaking up is hard to do! LOL
Would you rather than have a bromance? Who would be on top?
I'd rather they'd climb so deeply inside each other that they both disappear.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2019, 01:34:21 PM
Trump walked out of the summit with Kim? Breaking up is hard to do! LOL
Sanctions are out only if your leader rhymes with -in.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
Well, Cohen's opening statement to congress is certainly interesting. But the Republicans will just call him a liar and rally round their idol.
Funny how none of them addressed the actual physical evidence he provided for some of his statements, too.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2019, 01:02:05 AM
Funny how none of them addressed the actual physical evidence he provided for some of his statements, too.
Yes, the actual photograph of Trump shapeshifting? Well there is photoshop, so what constitutes evidence in this degenerate age, beyond confirmation bias?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2019, 01:34:21 PM
Trump walked out of the summit with Kim? Breaking up is hard to do! LOL
Trump is learning that there are bigger and crazier people out there in the world than he is. Granted that he doesn't personally think he is crazy (I think), but Speaker Pelosi, Mueller, and the House Committee Chairpersons may show him the error of his assumptions...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 01, 2019, 08:54:15 AM
Trump is learning that there are bigger and crazier people out there in the world than he is. Granted that he doesn't personally think he is crazy (I think), but Speaker Pelosi, Mueller, and the House Committee Chairpersons may show him the error of his assumptions...
Democrats wear spandex super-suites with obsolete capes.
Quote from: trdsf on March 01, 2019, 01:02:05 AM
Funny how none of them addressed the actual physical evidence he provided for some of his statements, too.
They couldn't - they know it's all true.
Trump needs to forget about the art of the deal and learn the art of the real.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
Trump needs to forget about the art of the deal and learn the art of the real.
OK, as best I can understand it, here is the Trump mind...
1. Statements are irrelevent except how they benefit me.
2. Truth and lies only matter if they benefit me.
3. What should I say right now that benefits me?
4. Who is loyal to me today?
5. Are they likely to be loyal to me tomorrow?
6. What I said yesterday is irrelevant.
7. Yesterday doesn't matter.
8. Tomorrow never comes.
I hope you get the grift, er drift...
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2019, 01:34:49 PM
Trump needs to forget about the art of the deal and learn the art of the real.
Now who is smoking what? That isn't his character. Democrats want everyone to be identical pod people like themselves ;-) As a Kekistani, I don't approve.
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2019, 05:59:39 PM
Now who is smoking what? That isn't his character. Democrats want everyone to be identical pod people like themselves ;-) As a Kekistani, I don't approve.
Shirley, you jest! Democrats are as individually unlike as elements of a tossed salad. They are the most disorganized political party in the free world. When Republicans are challenged, the circle the wagons and fore outwards. Democrats form a circle and fire inwards.
If Al Franken had been a Republican, they would have fought to keep him in office to the death and shut down the "Gummint" to keep him in office. The Dems cast him out.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 04, 2019, 04:51:07 AM
Shirley, you jest! Democrats are as individually unlike as elements of a tossed salad. They are the most disorganized political party in the free world. When Republicans are challenged, the circle the wagons and fore outwards. Democrats form a circle and fire inwards.
If Al Franken had been a Republican, they would have fought to keep him in office to the death and shut down the "Gummint" to keep him in office. The Dems cast him out.
Dems... combination of The Crucible and Desire Under The Elms ... complete hypocrisy.
Quote from: Baruch on March 04, 2019, 05:09:23 AM
Dems... combination of The Crucible and Desire Under The Elms ... complete hypocrisy.
Heard of but not familiar with either. Care to explain?
Seems like Trump loves fake news (https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/04/activists-setup-local-news-sites/) after all.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 04, 2019, 08:27:16 AM
Heard of but not familiar with either. Care to explain?
The Crucible ... witch trial
Desire Under The Elms ... incest
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 04, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Seems like Trump loves fake news (https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/04/activists-setup-local-news-sites/) after all.
Snopes = DNC operation, same as CNN. I get my facts from The Onion.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 04, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Seems like Trump loves fake news (https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/04/activists-setup-local-news-sites/) after all.
Yeah, the right loves to accuse the left of whatever the right is doing, so when they get caught they can play "whataboutism" and say "but what about ..." and feel they can cheat because of their claims that the left is cheating - when it isn't.
I noticed that McConnell is blaming the Democrats for the Republicans trying to cheat in the North Carolina congressional election. Fancy that...
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 04, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
I noticed that McConnell is blaming the Democrats for the Republicans trying to cheat in the North Carolina congressional election. Fancy that...
Strange how the Republicans never seem to be responsible for anything they do, but they skin their knees and it's all "thanks, Obama!"
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 04, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
I noticed that McConnell is blaming the Democrats for the Republicans trying to cheat in the North Carolina congressional election. Fancy that...
Both are cheating. Integrity (we don't have) would stop all elections. Human beings are corrupt. That produces corrupt elections.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 04, 2019, 01:31:31 PM
I noticed that McConnell is blaming the Democrats for the Republicans trying to cheat in the North Carolina congressional election. Fancy that...
The Republicans' sense of entitlement would be breathtaking if it wasn't so repulsive. A duly authorized board judged the results tainted so they're going to hold a new election, and this is somehow "cheating". As if the Republican candidate's hiring of a guy who was
already known for rigging election results wasn't.
It's like the idiot over in the 12th district here who after the special election had about a 1500 vote lead, with about 6000 absentee and mail-in ballots still to be counted. What did he do? Claim victory, and piss and moan that the Democrat didn't immediately concede.
Then again, his grasp of mathematics might explain a lot about Republican budgets...
(https://i.redd.it/7aa6ieqvjjk21.png)
I bet Putin laughs himself to sleep every night.
And Putin would have pissed himself as Warlord Hillary drank Russian blood from Russian skulls? Weak sauce you fantasists.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 04, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Seems like Trump loves fake news (https://www.snopes.com/news/2019/03/04/activists-setup-local-news-sites/) after all.
Trump lives in fake news, in accusing others of his weaknesses (to try to preclude them from accusing him of those things, and is accustomed to casually breaking contracts.
And I read an interesting article about that last today.
It discussed "the failure of repeated strategies". The idea is that you can have successful strategies (with no ethical judgement made) in life, so long as you don't keep playing them against the same people over and over again.
This is a problem for Trump. He has used a strategy of cheating on his contracts for decades. He got away with it because the contractor he cheated in NY wasn't talking to the contractor he cheated in FL.
But on the national stage, he can't get away with that. He is now dealing with the same people over and over and they talk to one another about what he does. So his usual strategy no longer works and he is struggling to find ways to fend them off.
His only option is to go to his dedicated base. And to keep them engaged, he has to make more bizarre claims and promises. Since he can't fulfill any of them, he is getting more and more desperate.
I fear what he might do while digging his hole deeper...
320 million fantasists .... raised on Anime.
QuoteDonald Trump's convicted personal attorney Michael Cohen doesn't believe Trump will peacefully leave the White House if he loses in 2020, and we explore whether this is a real possibility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tp02MAdza8
I seriously doubt the military would support a coup that would keep Trump in power. But his followers are scary as hell, with more than 100 million of them out there loving this madman.
I am looking forward to Dr Who, going back in time, and blowing up Congress, so that Nixon is president forever, as a head in a jar, as in Futurama.
How about the Democrats, in 1960 conspiring to steal the election, by having Mayor Daley (catholic) in Chicago, getting dead people to vote so that JFK (catholic) becomes president instead of Nixon, all under the orders of Pope John XXIII (catholic) and JFK's father (head of Irish mafia). What should the punishment for that be?
Since fantasy is the best way to predict the future, what if all Democrats are human-masked reptilians per V?
No, you don't want me as dictator. I would kill you all (well, maybe not, that would simply be too much work, and I am lazy) per Caligula.
As I have stated before, my personal preference is to cancel all democracy. No more voting.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 08, 2019, 07:55:15 PM
I seriously doubt the military would support a coup that would keep Trump in power. But his followers are scary as hell, with more than 100 million of them out there loving this madman.
No, I don't think that even Trump could manage to stay in the White House if he lost the next election. There have to be limits even his supporters would not accept.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 03:17:41 AM
No, I don't think that even Trump could manage to stay in the White House if he lost the next election. There have to be limits even his supporters would not accept.
Correct. And I am not a supporter. I hate both DNC and RNC. But if the CIA wants an end to the Constitution, then it will end. Or did it end in Nov 1963?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 03:17:41 AM
No, I don't think that even Trump could manage to stay in the White House if he lost the next election. There have to be limits even his supporters would not accept.
If there are limits, we've yet to see any. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Trump lost and claimed the election was rigged. His supporters would take him at his word the way they always have.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 03:17:41 AM
No, I don't think that even Trump could manage to stay in the White House if he lost the next election. There have to be limits even his supporters would not accept.
Really? I am beginning to think otherwise. I would not be totally surprised if there isn't some sort of violent reactions to a Trump loss and him trying to stay in the WH. But then, I am not sure he won't engineer another round in office.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 11, 2019, 09:31:23 AM
Really? I am beginning to think otherwise. I would not be totally surprised if there isn't some sort of violent reactions to a Trump loss and him trying to stay in the WH. But then, I am not sure he won't engineer another round in office.
He is a tool, and a fool (Trump). Keep fixated on the Emperor with no clothes. There are lots of violent people in the US. They can be triggered by many things. I don't really see Americans going full nut job over a legitimate election (regardless of how people feel about the Electoral College). Continued ramping up of extremism however, by anyone, will result in civil war. Obama wanted to stay in the White House, as Baby Doc Duvalier. But I don't find that sentiment particularly threatening, in light of actual developments (yes, he did try to fuck the election over, in favor of Hillary, but he failed). AVDS is the problem, not TDS ... American Voter Derangement Syndrome. Easy to fix, suspend all elections. Set up a dictatorship. Americans want that, they just disagree on who should be the dictator. And that, is why I no longer believe in the future of the USA.
Ever read Oswald Spengler? He believed that democracy's fall in the West was inevitable, and that the natural next step was Caesarism and the decline of civilization as a whole.
That's what happens when huge portions of the population see the government as nothing more than an opportunity to steal from everyone else. People get angry.
Quote from: your_dude_james on March 11, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
Ever read Oswald Spengler? He believed that democracy's fall in the West was inevitable, and that the natural next step was Caesarism and the decline of civilization as a whole.
Hi, James. Would you mind creating an introduction thread so we know who you are?
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?board=2.0
(https://i.redd.it/8ro3e01othl21.jpg)
Quote from: your_dude_james on March 11, 2019, 02:37:06 PM
Ever read Oswald Spengler? He believed that democracy's fall in the West was inevitable, and that the natural next step was Caesarism and the decline of civilization as a whole.
That's what happens when huge portions of the population see the government as nothing more than an opportunity to steal from everyone else. People get angry.
Yes. Et tu, Iacobus? It is a generational thing, but kept up longer than expected, as we transitioned from a traditional agricultural society, to an industrial society based on cheap carbon energy. But that has ended in my own lifetime ... we are service oriented now. Too bad that American service sucks. The freebee of stealing North America has run its course, it can't be repeated. Similarly given our population and rate of consumption, the era of cheap carbon energy is over, that and we moved most industry to China, so we wouldn't have to smell it or jump out of windows (though Amazon workers are trying to catch up with Foxcon).
People will get angry ... that is what they do. But when civilization collapses (See Rome circa 400 CE) being calm or angry won't be worth spit. Do you look good in barbarian gear? Do you have any barbarian gear? It will be the coming style.
QuoteThe Mueller Investigation is already out, thanks to The Intercept's Ryan Grim, who collected every released report from the Mueller Investigation into the Mueller Papers.
According to Ryan Grim, The Mueller Papers represent the core of the investigation into the illegal activities of Donald Trump and the Trump administration, the collusion with Russia, and foreign oligarchs and much more.
What will be revealed in the Mueller Papers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W6xblxiZwA
https://www.justsecurity.org/46583/unsealed-documents-special-counsel-mueller-investigation/
There are no Hillary papers, because they Arkancided all the investigators ;-(
There never was any Hillary, she was just a figment of your imagination.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 11, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
There never was any Hillary, she was just a figment of your imagination.
That change of narrative, and CIA neurolinguistic programming, won't work on me, Obi Wan. I happen to know the C3PO and R2D2 are the droids I am looking for.
You're looking in a totally dark room for a black cat that isn't there - and finding it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 11, 2019, 07:45:22 PM
You're looking in a totally dark room for a black cat that isn't there - and finding it.
Takes talent!
QuoteDr. John Gartner, psychiatrist, founder of Duty to Warn, and co-editor of the book "Rocket Man: Nuclear Madness and the Mind of Donald Trump," joins David to update us on what he sees are the accelerating cognitive decline and mental state of Donald Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urB5Vsl176M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNa4eRotufQ
How much worse will Trump's mental decline have to get before the GOP and his fan club will admit there's something definitely wrong with him?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/12/politics/donald-trump-boeing-ceo-dennis-muilenberg/index.html
retard
I wonder if he called the airline CEO Dennis Boeing?
QuoteBack before most of us were born, President Harry Truman called out the GOP for lying to the American people, saying they were using “the best propaganda money can buy.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kgg6fauNFM
Quote from: Harry S. Truman
Today the forces of liberalism face a crisis. The people of the United States must make a choice between two ways of living â€" a decision which will affect us the rest of our lives and our children and our grandchildren after us.
On the other side, there is the Wall Street way of life and politics. Trust the leader! Let big business take care of prices and profits! Measure all things by money! That is the philosophy of the masters of the Republican Party.
Well, I have been studying the Republican Party for over 12 years at close hand in the Capital of the United States. And by this time, I have discovered where the Republicans stand on most of the major issues.
Since they won’t tell you themselves, I am going to tell you.
They approve of the American farmer â€" but they are willing to help him go broke.
They stand four-square for the American home â€" but not for
housing.
They are strong for labor â€" but they are stronger for restricting labor’s rights.
They favor a minimum wage â€" the smaller the minimum the better.
They indorse educational opportunity for all â€" but they won’t spend money for teachers or for schools.
They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine â€" for people who can afford them.
They approve of Social Security benefits â€" so much so that they took them away from almost a million people.
They believe in international trade â€" so much so that they crippled our reciprocal trade program, and killed our International Wheat Agreement.
They favor the admission of displaced persons â€" but only within shameful racial and religious limitations.
They consider electric power a great blessing â€" but only when the private power companies get their rake-off.
They say TVA is wonderful â€" but we ought never to try it again.
They condemn “cruelly high prices†â€" but fight to the death every effort to bring them down.
They think the American standard of living is a fine thing â€" so long as it doesn’t spread to all the people.
And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it.
Now, my friends, that is the Wall Street Republican way of life. But there is another way â€" there is another way â€" the Democratic way, the way of the Democratic Party.
Nothing new about the modern Republicans, after all. They're only more brazen about what they do, maybe.
I think rural Americans are the victims of toxic poisoning from all the pesticides and fertilizers they've been exposed to for so many decades. Their brains have been damaged to the point that they can't help but be stupid and gullible. It's not their fault.
Us small town/rural people will eat the urban hordes ... when the time comes ;-) None of you know where food comes from, other than a grocery store. No different than the Bread & Circuses mob in old Rome. With de-urbanization, US will lose 90% of its population to early mortality. Four horsemen of Apocalypse are coming for you all.
Quote from: Baruch on March 13, 2019, 01:17:50 AM
None of you know where food comes from, other than a grocery store.
None of us?
Really?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 13, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
None os us? Really?
If you do, then you are peasant, not proletariat. No matter where you currently live. Don't come knocking for food though, you won't get any, unless we see your voting record first ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on March 13, 2019, 01:17:50 AMNone of you know where food comes from, other than a grocery store.
I worked across the street from farmland (I could literally see rows of corn out the window) and went to the pig pickin' on an actual farm every year. I'm pretty sure I can figure that one out.
Believe it or not, even us city slickers have a vague idea of what goes on in rural areas. In fact, your whole idea looks a lot like projection of one of your own deficiencies - like a technophobe who doesn't understand laptops imagining that kids don't understand books.
food comes from black holes.
its true.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 03:17:41 AM
No, I don't think that even Trump could manage to stay in the White House if he lost the next election. There have to be limits even his supporters would not accept.
I love your optimism.
But the true sufferers of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) are precisely his followers. There is nothing he can do, nothing he can say, that they won't support 110%. Fuck the law, fuck the Constitution, fuck simple human decency, when their almighty master speaks, they listen and respond with more alacrity than Pavlov's dogs. Even if handed a resounding landslide defeat next year, a significant number of his supporters would back him staying on regardless.
I agree, he wouldn't manage being able to stay, but he and his mindless minions could make it a total clusterfuck.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 12, 2019, 07:51:16 PM
Nothing new about the modern Republicans, after all. They're only more brazen about what they do, maybe.
Was that really a Truman quote? It sounds a bit off his style and a bit too prophetic.
Manafort charged with 16 crimes by New York state, can't be pardoned by Trump (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html)
Trump's budget is vile even by Trump standards (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-budget-2020/?utm_term=.c5010401cb30)
Mnuchin vows to shield Trump from a congressional request to see his tax returns. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes/treasurys-mnuchin-will-try-to-shield-trump-tax-returns-idUSKCN1QV1ZA?utm_source=reddit.com) Who's a good boy?
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 14, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Manafort charged with 16 crimes by New York state, can't be pardoned by Trump (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html)
Trump's budget is vile even by Trump standards (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-budget-2020/?utm_term=.c5010401cb30)
Mnuchin vows to shield Trump from congressional request to see his tax returns. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes/treasurys-mnuchin-will-try-to-shield-trump-tax-returns-idUSKCN1QV1ZA?utm_source=reddit.com) Who's a good boy?
You are, yes you are a good boy... 100%
And Trump is going to see jail time eventually...
Not directly related to Trump, but it certainly has the same plutocratic stink and insultingly smirking while peddling said bullshit:
West Virginia tries to clamp down on water pollution and is met with a very bizarre pro-pollution counterargument:
QuoteBut in November, the West Virginia Manufacturers Association asked the joint rule-making review committee not to implement the standards.
They argue that the EPA encourages states to incorporate state-specific science, and that because West Virginians are heavier, their bodies can handle more pollutants, and that because they drink less water, they are less exposed to the pollutants.
https://www.register-herald.com/news/state_region/house-of-delegates-passes-bill-without-updated-human-health-water/article_793de696-6c5a-5189-bac1-e937c92822cc.html
WTF
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 14, 2019, 12:58:21 PM
Not directly related to Trump, but it certainly has the same plutocratic stink and insultingly smirking while peddling said bullshit:
West Virginia tries to clamp down on water pollution and is met with a very bizarre pro-pollution counterargument:
https://www.register-herald.com/news/state_region/house-of-delegates-passes-bill-without-updated-human-health-water/article_793de696-6c5a-5189-bac1-e937c92822cc.html
WTF
That. Is. The. Worst. Argument. Ever... And I'm not the least bit surprised...
Quote from: Cavebear on March 14, 2019, 02:50:10 AM
Was that really a Truman quote? It sounds a bit off his style and a bit too prophetic.
Well, I wasn't there at the time, but it's been reported that he did, indeed, say that:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/october-surprise/
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 14, 2019, 12:58:21 PM
Not directly related to Trump, but it certainly has the same plutocratic stink and insultingly smirking while peddling said bullshit:
West Virginia tries to clamp down on water pollution and is met with a very bizarre pro-pollution counterargument:
https://www.register-herald.com/news/state_region/house-of-delegates-passes-bill-without-updated-human-health-water/article_793de696-6c5a-5189-bac1-e937c92822cc.html
WTF
The sacred shareholders must make their profit! It matters not a whit who gets cancer or any other horrible malady, as long as the profits keep rolling in. Money is God to these people.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 14, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Manafort charged with 16 crimes by New York state, can't be pardoned by Trump (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/manafort-indictment.html)
Trump's budget is vile even by Trump standards (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-budget-2020/?utm_term=.c5010401cb30)
Mnuchin vows to shield Trump from a congressional request to see his tax returns. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes/treasurys-mnuchin-will-try-to-shield-trump-tax-returns-idUSKCN1QV1ZA?utm_source=reddit.com) Who's a good boy?
Jesus Christ. Not only is it the norm for Presidents to provide their tax returns, but Trump has been accused of deliberately cheating on his taxes. And his followers never stop to think that he might be hiding something...? Remember how they demanded Barack Obama's birth certificate because of an unfounded claim that he was secretly born in Africa? Where is that skepticism now?
Quote from: Baruch on March 13, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
If you do, then you are peasant, not proletariat. No matter where you currently live. Don't come knocking for food though, you won't get any, unless we see your voting record first ;-)
I'm proud to be a peasant, whereas you're just a piss-ant. But are you a puissant piss-ant?
Quote from: Blackleaf on March 14, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Jesus Christ. Not only is it the norm for Presidents to provide their tax returns, but Trump has been accused of deliberately cheating on his taxes. And his followers never stop to think that he might be hiding something...? Remember how they demanded Barack Obama's birth certificate because of an unfounded claim that he was secretly born in Africa? Where is that skepticism now?
Because their's a republican in office and he can't make any mistakes or be evil. He and the blinded right need to be purged.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 14, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
Because their's a republican in office and he can't make any mistakes or be evil. He and the blinded right need to be purged.
"Knock, knock, Ted Cruz."
(https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/1200x680/public/2018/10/the_purge_first_movie.jpg)
Quote from: Cavebear on March 14, 2019, 12:16:52 PM
You are, yes you are a good boy... 100%
And Trump is going to see jail time eventually...
Arrest all tax payers for fraud. Italy isn't the only one doing it.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 14, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
Because their's a republican in office and he can't make any mistakes or be evil. He and the blinded right need to be purged.
Sarcasm? Or do you want to join the Ds in the FEMA camp?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 14, 2019, 12:16:52 PM
You are, yes you are a good boy... 100%
And Trump is going to see jail time eventually...
I do hope you are clear seeing in this. I can only hope..........................and against hope.
US House and Senate reject Trump's "emergency" declaration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-renews-veto-threat-as-senate-prepares-to-rebuke-him-on-national-emergency/2019/03/14/2efbea36-4647-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.9cbc4b9fbbbb)
Looks like this guy's dead horse isn't doing so well.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2019, 01:37:00 PM
I'm proud to be a peasant, whereas you're just a piss-ant. But are you a puissant piss-ant?
Careful with tongue twisters, particularly in French, you could have your teeth guillotine your tongue ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 14, 2019, 09:23:02 PM
I do hope you are clear seeing in this. I can only hope..........................and against hope.
Bill, Hillary, George W and Barak haven't seen jail time. They are above the law. The US people put them in that position.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 14, 2019, 10:20:19 PM
US House and Senate reject Trump's "emergency" declaration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-renews-veto-threat-as-senate-prepares-to-rebuke-him-on-national-emergency/2019/03/14/2efbea36-4647-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.9cbc4b9fbbbb)
Looks like this guy's dead horse isn't doing so well.
Nope. The Establishment Republicans still want JEB in the White House ;-) Keep it in the CIA family.
But we will see how the veto goes, and the courts. The debt limit is coming up, that is the train coming down the tracks in the tunnel. It isn't the light of enlightenment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huwgDfN_4kI
Trump knows exactly what stochastic terrorism is, and he knows exactly how to use it.
Yes, Trump is baby Hitler, after a lot of face lifting ;-)
Your posting is like mine, very stochastic. Care to define that? Controlled randomness.
Quote from: Baruch on March 15, 2019, 07:27:03 PM
Care to define that?
What, you thought I didn't know the meaning of the word? LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 15, 2019, 07:35:27 PM
What, you thought I didn't know the meaning of the word? LOL
Pretty much a pseudo-intellectual jargon that means everything to nobody ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic
Because saying "random" is less cool.
QuoteA new app has launched that allows the MAGA hat crowd to avoid anyone who may disagree with their politics. This app leads users to “safe spaces†for the special snowflakes who are so terrified of liberals that they can’t even eat a meal next to them. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses the absurdity of these new app, and how it proves all of the talking points conservatives have about liberals are completely false.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOl_a5Rzxc
I would prefer the app that shows the orbital death ray where to take out liberal safe spaces (sarc).
There is no such thing as a safe space, except maybe an underground bunker. Any place where people gather in large numbers can become a target, whether it's a school, a church, a market, or a workplace. Safety is an illusion that we should forget about and just get on with life.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 16, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
There is no such thing as a safe space, except maybe an underground bunker. Any place where people gather in large numbers can become a target, whether it's a school, a church, a market, or a workplace. Safety is an illusion that we should forget about and just get on with life.
Was Hitler's bunker safe? Didn't think so. To be human is to die, eventually. The PTSD young can grow up, eventually. We have to give each age cohort time, about a decade. Thus it has always been. Back in the day, angsty teen cave men, we simply didn't warn them to jump when the mammoth was just about to stomp on them ;-) My daughter was a mess at 14. She was almost human by the time she was 24 ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
Well, I wasn't there at the time, but it's been reported that he did, indeed, say that:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/october-surprise/
That isn't exactly the same. I agree with most of what Truman said that was quoted there.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 17, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
That isn't exactly the same. I agree with most of what Truman said that was quoted there.
Seems very Truman to me too. Nothing controversial about what he said (as political rhetoric). Things haven't changed much, except that the Truman show is over.
Quote from: Baruch on March 17, 2019, 06:09:27 AM
Seems very Truman to me too. Nothing controversial about what he said (as political rhetoric). Things haven't changed much, except that the Truman show is over.
"Truman Show" being over. Cute. I watched that movie twice. But I mean that the political statements of Harry Truman were more accurately expressed on one page I saw than the other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCp0oJlrzyE
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably not a swan...
FYI:
Unfortunately, the picture of Dmitry Peskov isn't him, it's a guy named Richard Conn, which apparently was mis-labeled at Getty Images, where the picture was sourced from, as Dmitry Peskov.
QuoteA just-released blockbuster report by the New York Times is shedding light on just how far Deutsche Bank went to vouch for Donald Trump, despite numerous red flags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCv6gBoKWHM
Definitely not a swan...
Trump did business in Russia. Definitely the anti-Christ. Barak/Hillary did Uranium-One ... Satan himself. I would find it amusing for Putin to take over the US, just to see the Russia-Conspiracy-Maniacs all shit their pants (sarc). That would be cruel. I actually don't want anyone to be unhappy. Unfortunately that is the natural condition of the monkey people.
PS - the German banks are very crooked, like the ones in Switzerland. US banks are almost entirely criminal entities. Anyone with a mortgage or business loan in the US, is demonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh6wG8uNsr0
'What We Did Was a Scam': The Apprentice Creators Give Behind the Scenes Reveal of Trump's Show (https://people.com/politics/apprentice-creators-donald-trump-scam/)
Quote“He wanted to be paid back in a particular way, regardless of what you mentioned,†says Benza in the film. “He never really cared as long as you said the word ‘billionaire.’ “
Once you have accounts-receivable counted as wealth ... you pretty much can claim anything you want. Except sometimes you can't collect on them.
Trump's economic report gets lightened up with superhero, 'Star Wars,' Monty Python names (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/white-house-report-gets-loaded-with-fake-and-funny-intern-names.html)
I can't decide it this is funny or creepy.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 20, 2019, 08:02:53 PM
Trump's economic report gets lightened up with superhero, 'Star Wars,' Monty Python names (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/19/white-house-report-gets-loaded-with-fake-and-funny-intern-names.html)
I can't decide it this is funny or creepy.
Based on factual reporting, anything that Trump says is probably not to most peoples' advantage.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 21, 2019, 06:14:21 AM
Based on factual reporting, anything that Trump says is probably not to most peoples' advantage.
Based on human psychology, nothing anyone does, is to anyone's advantage, other than the person doing it. All else is virtue signaling (hypocrisy).
Says our resident futilitarian.
Drill, Baby, Drill! (Climate change, what's that?) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2019/03/20/federal-judge-casts-doubt-trumps-drilling-plans-across-us-because-they-ignore-climate-change/?utm_term=.d4c4b148995a)
The Western Energy Alliance (https://ballotpedia.org/Western_Energy_Alliance) (which, total shock, is actually a oil and gas mouthpiece and not an actual environmentalist organization) argues thusly:
"The judge is basically asking BLM to take a wild guess on how many wells will be developed on leases, prematurely." Clarification: they're talking about the Bureau of Land Management here. Yeah, I got confused, too.
And here's a delightful statistic: "Federal oil, gas and coal leasing â€" both on land and offshore â€" accounts for a quarter of America’s total carbon output" So go ahead and buy that Tesla, ExxonMobil will keep on drilling and burning without you. And thanks to Sugar Daddy Trump, they can do it with far less pesky regulations (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/climate/trump-environment-rules-reversed.html) holding them back from that sweet, sweet profit, the only thing that matters.
Trump fleeces his sheep (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-2020-election-donations-campaign-tower-new-york-a8833851.html)
Quote"Nearly $1.3m of donations to Donald Trump’s re-election campaign have subsequently been transferred to businesses owned by the US president."
The money has been spent on hotel rooms, rent, food, legal consulting and other services provided by Mr Trump’s firms, according to campaign filings analysed by Forbes.
So Republicans who thought they were helping their idol fund TV spots to help him win re-election actually just ended up footing the bill at Trump Towers for some lobbyist wine-and-dine or some legal defense fund for whichever innocent witch who got hit with felony charges this week. Money well spent, amirite?
I would be happy if hippie Dems were denied fuel and electricity. More for the rest of us.
And yes, business practices are ... nefarious. As they are in China or Germany ... except in China all crooks are members of the Communist Party.
“Never in my life did I think I would like to see a dictator,†the woman told the crowd. “But if there's going to be one, I want it to be Trump.â€.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTCceuioSfQ
Yep, "basket of deplorables," all right.
Twin sister of a Yippie Democrat?
I want a military dictatorship, civvies need not apply ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0mpicADzUQ
The corporate media don't want us to know what's really going on, because they want access to the recourse of Venezuela. And Trump want a war to wag the dog.
Yes, another victory for Socialism. Like in Saigon.
Wind power? Pssht! It only blows sometimes! (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-military-wind-energy-fox-news-sean-hannity-russia-mueller-media-1377881)
Rich coming from the guy who blows all the time.
QuotePresident Donald Trump repeated a claim that powering the U.S. with wind would not work because it “only blows sometimes" during an interview with Fox News yesterday.
This isn't the first time the public has been bombarded with the fact that their President knows less about science than some elementary school kids.
This is like someone claiming that solar-powered calculators don't work at night. What a stable idiot.
Well, they could just set up some big fans to blow at the wind turbines to make sure they keep turning, right?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 28, 2019, 04:54:00 PM
Well, they could just set up some big fans to blow at the wind turbines to make sure they keep turning, right?
Republican wind ... out of ass, Democrat wind ... out of mouth ;-)
Bitpartisanship ... when Democrat mouth meets Republican ass ;-))
Congress ... human centipede ;-(
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 28, 2019, 04:54:00 PM
Well, they could just set up some big fans to blow at the wind turbines to make sure they keep turning, right?
I read once about some guy who set up a big gas powered fan to blow wind at his sails so he could "sail" more effectively... LOL!
No doldrums for that fellow, huh?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 29, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
No doldrums for that fellow, huh?
One can only hope he ran out of gas and didn't know how to use actual wind to get back to shore... LOL!
I think the Man of Orange has oranges on the brain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUPsNgmXR7M
Trump on wind turbines: "they" say the noise causes cancer (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/climate/trump-wind-power.html)
Dumbass Donnie is really stepping up the renewables/green jobs fearmongering. My only explanations are: 1) he's dumb enough to believe this bullshit 2) he thinks you're dumb enough to believe this bullshit 3) he's desperately trying to change the topic from Mueller and the conveniently hidden report.
Oh, and by the way, a study in that article says that the USA could realistically get over half its power from renewables (which would also generate green jobs for Americans) without increasing the price of electricity, but after all these tax cuts for the rich and military spending increases, it's anyone's guess if we can afford it. Tired of winning, yet?
Oil companies have owned the government since Spindletop.
Fact is, the wind turbines are built and owned by China ... we gave that part of our future to the Chicoms also (under D-Communist party).
If all the corporations eventually merge into one giant corporation, and that corporation owns/controls the government and all the means of production, what would be the difference between that and communism? Would capitalism just morph into communism?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 04, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
If all the corporations eventually merge into one giant corporation, and that corporation owns/controls the government and all the means of production, what would be the difference between that and communism? Would capitalism just morph into communism?
We're pretty close to answering that question. Much of what we have is an illusion of choice, where one or very few companies own pretty much everything. They just use different names to make it seem like you have more choices than you do. This is especially prevalent in companies that sell eye glasses in America. Any time a small company pops up, they either buy that small company out or drive them out of business.
And yet, Republicans keep yammering about a "free market" - just another lie they tell!
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 04, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
If all the corporations eventually merge into one giant corporation, and that corporation owns/controls the government and all the means of production, what would be the difference between that and communism? Would capitalism just morph into communism?
You are woke. All corporations = all governments = all organized crime. Failed evil species. But Apocalypse isn't built in a day. I think China is beating us to that divine convergence, the Omega Point of Mao Tse Tung, not Teilhard de Chardin.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 04, 2019, 03:14:33 PM
And yet, Republicans keep yammering about a "free market" - just another lie they tell!
Humans are natural liars. Satan is their father. And his native language is falsehood. There is only one G-d, and that isn't good news.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 03, 2019, 11:40:01 PM
Trump on wind turbines: "they" say the noise causes cancer (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/climate/trump-wind-power.html)
Dumbass Donnie is really stepping up the renewables/green jobs fearmongering. My only explanations are: 1) he's dumb enough to believe this bullshit 2) he thinks you're dumb enough to believe this bullshit 3) he's desperately trying to change the topic from Mueller and the conveniently hidden report.
Oh, and by the way, a study in that article says that the USA could realistically get over half its power from renewables (which would also generate green jobs for Americans) without increasing the price of electricity, but after all these tax cuts for the rich and military spending increases, it's anyone's guess if we can afford it. Tired of winning, yet?
OK, I like you better lately...
Quote from: Baruch on April 04, 2019, 04:30:45 AM
Oil companies have owned the government since Spindletop.
Fact is, the wind turbines are built and owned by China ... we gave that part of our future to the Chicoms also (under D-Communist party).
1. Define "owned by china".
2. Democrats are no more "Communist" than Republicans are "Nazis". Stop doing that, it's just annoying and inaccurate.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 07, 2019, 05:22:41 AM
1. Define "owned by china".
2. Democrats are no more "Communist" than Republicans are "Nazis". Stop doing that, it's just annoying and inaccurate.
1. We have moved manufacturing, and ownership, to Chinese companies, for a great many products. Including wind turbines. The US is #3 behind China and Holland.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-wind-turbine-maker-is-now-world-s-largest
2. Sorry, Green New Deal isn't FDR, it is Communist, and moreover, many people thought FDR was a communist. The majority of new D-Pres-candidates have endorsed GND. Not saying you support extreme Left policies, but the DNC clearly does.
Quote from: Baruch on April 07, 2019, 09:04:03 AM
1. We have moved manufacturing, and ownership, to Chinese companies, for a great many products. Including wind turbines. The US is #3 behind China and Holland.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/chinese-wind-turbine-maker-is-now-world-s-largest
2. Sorry, Green New Deal isn't FDR, it is Communist, and moreover, many people thought FDR was a communist. The majority of new D-Pres-candidates have endorsed GND. Not saying you support extreme Left policies, but the DNC clearly does.
#1 "Chinese-owned" and "in China are not the same thing.
#2 I never mentioned "Green New Deal".
You actually LIKE Trump, don't you?
Quote from: Cavebear on April 07, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
#1 "Chinese-owned" and "in China are not the same thing.
#2 I never mentioned "Green New Deal".
You actually LIKE Trump, don't you?
If all your stuff, particularly critical infrastructure (largest electrical power transformers are only made in China) that means you are "owned" by China. Same as owing money to the Tong.
Yes, it would be wise to never mention Green New Deal. Too bad idealism is just a tool for extremism and virtue signaling. I would support constructive non-partisan reforms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmhiInYqlTU
Aparently Trump's never been anything other than a liar.
QuoteArtist Cosimo Cavallaro starts building the Cheese Wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEbFVcOnVf4
He's going to make Wisconsin pay for it.
QuoteIn a report following on the heels of Nielsen's resignation, The New York Times detailed how Trump would call Nielsen at home early in the morning to demand that she "take action to stop migrants from entering the country."
The news outlet reported that the president would even go so far as to pressure Nielsen to take measures that were illegal to stop asylum seekers from coming to the U.S. border, including "blocking all migrants from seeking asylum."
"She repeatedly noted the limitations imposed on her department by federal laws, court settlements and international obligations," the newspaper reported.
Rather than placating the president, however, Nielsen's attempts at explaining why she could not simply shut down the asylum process would only further stoke the flames of the U.S. leader's fury, The Times reported.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-call-kirstjen-nielsen-early-mornings-demanding-she-stop-migrants-1388529
One can only imagine what those meetings were like, though I think I can picture Trump's reaction to being told no because that's not how the law works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJDV1XoEpw
Nielsen was a key figure in perpetrating the shameful lock-kids-in-cages thing, so I'm not exactly crying a river over her departure.
Miller is now calling the shots (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/07/stephen-miller-trump-immigration-1260431) and he's a "like-minded hardliner" calling for a more "aggressive" immigration approach. Red flags galore.
QuoteA 33-year-old policy adviser and speechwriter, Miller is the Trump administration’s most influential advocate for stricter immigration policies. He uses his close relationship with Trump and tight ties to conservative media to shape the president’s thinking
Yeah, Nielsen just wasn't extreme enough for Trump, or a good enough liar.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 08, 2019, 01:57:40 PM
Yeah, Nieslen just wasn't extreme enough for Trump
Which is very worrisome considering what she did was downright infamous.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 08, 2019, 01:43:41 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-call-kirstjen-nielsen-early-mornings-demanding-she-stop-migrants-1388529
One can only imagine what those meetings were like, though I think I can picture Trump's reaction to being told no because that's not how the law works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJDV1XoEpw
Nielsen was a key figure in perpetrating the shameful lock-kids-in-cages thing, so I'm not exactly crying a river over her departure.
Miller is now calling the shots (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/07/stephen-miller-trump-immigration-1260431) and he's a "like-minded hardliner" calling for a more "aggressive" immigration approach. Red flags galore.
So it's about to get even worse for immigrants. Jesus fucking Christ. I hate my country.
I wonder if Eric Pince will take the place of Kirsten Nielsen?
Alles, the Secret Service Director, is gone too. (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/08/politics/randolph-tex-alles-secret-service-director/index.html)
Trump is appointing James M Murray to take his place. Don't know who that is? Yeah, his wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_M._Murray) is pretty brief. But don't worry, chances are high that there will be some sort of devastating scandal that makes him a household name. That's how we learned about a frighteningly large number of Trump administration figures.
The news reports what appears to be a "purge" of top Homeland Security personnel because Trump wanted to get "going in a tougher direction" which certainly raises some eyebrows. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the repercussions of this are going to be.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 08, 2019, 02:51:38 PM
I wonder if Eric Pince will take the place of Kirsten Nielsen?
That isn't his sister, DeVos is Prince's sister ;-(
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 08, 2019, 01:59:24 PM
Which is very worrisome considering what she did was downright infamous.
Can't have it both ways. One article says she was fired because she wasn't breaking the law. She said she resigned, because of Trump's bad leadership. There is no reason for American survival, let alone prosperity.
Quote from: Baruch on April 08, 2019, 07:23:36 PM
That isn't his sister, DeVos is Prince's sister ;-(
Uh, what? Who said anything at all about anyone's sister?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 08, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Uh, what? Who said anything at all about anyone's sister?
Implication ... Prince takes place of Nielsen ... if he was her brother ;-) Also DeVos is a noted villain, just like her brother.
QuoteAs his administration intensifies anti-immigrant policies at the border, President Trump has reportedly put adviser Stephen Miller in charge of the administration’s immigration policy. The Wall Street Journal reports Miller has backed the reinstatement of Trump’s family separation policy and has been pushing officials at the Homeland Security and Justice Departments to “get in line†with a more hard-line immigration approach. This news comes as Trump told the Republican Jewish Coalition leadership Saturday, “Our country’s full. What can you do? We can’t handle any more. Our country is full.†We speak with Stephen Miller’s uncle, Dr. David Glosser, who says Trump’s comments echo the rhetoric of Nazi Germany. Glosser is a retired neuropsychologist and former faculty member at Boston University School of Medicine and Jefferson Medical College. Last year, he wrote a piece for Politico magazine headlined “Stephen Miller Is an Immigration Hypocrite. I Know Because I’m His Uncle.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PlqtvSdBYg
I've often heard of the Teapot Dome scandal, but didn't really know much about it. Turns out Trump isn't the first corrupt guy we've ever put into the office:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjL-uE4lSvI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cBV8KFFasY
QuoteMiller has backed the reinstatement of Trump’s family separation policy
Dafuq? Once wasn't enough?!??
You know, with campaign season so close, you'd think Trump would want the public to forget the kids-in-cages scandal. Not exactly a crowd-pleaser. I'm sure there are Republicans who get off to that sort of stuff, but those are the sort of people who voted for him the first time around and aren't intelligent or moral enough to regret it. Trump needs to win independents, and these sorts of policies will make them vote for a dead horse over Trump. Where's this guy's campaign chairman (https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/manafortmugshot.jpg?itok=dvfGYXys)? Oh, right...
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 08, 2019, 01:59:24 PM
Which is very worrisome considering what she did was downright infamous.
Yeah, apparently ripping children out of the arms of their parents wasn't heinous enough to satisfy the Orange Disaster Area.
Protip from someone who actually works in child welfare: hey, Donnieboy, if your intention is to create damaged kids who'll grow up in to being seriously damaged adults, keep doing what you're doing. On the other hand, if you have just the tiniest shred of human decency, FUCKING STOP IT ALREADY!
I have genuinely never been so ashamed of being an American before.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 09, 2019, 11:52:28 PM
Dafuq? Once wasn't enough?!??
You know, with campaign season so close, you'd think Trump would want the public to forget the kids-in-cages scandal. Not exactly a crowd-pleaser. I'm sure there are Republicans who get off to that sort of stuff, but those are the sort of people who voted for him the first time around and aren't intelligent or moral enough to regret it. Trump needs to win independents, and these sorts of policies will make them vote for a dead horse over Trump. Where's this guy's campaign chairman (https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/manafortmugshot.jpg?itok=dvfGYXys)? Oh, right...
I'd like to think that there aren't enough racist, homophobic, sexist, ethnocentric, religious fanatics to vote Trump back in for a second term, but my faith in humanity is below sea level right now. If Republicans had a shred of decency, they wouldn't even allow Trump to run on the Republican ticket, run a different Republican in his place, and force Trump to have to run as an independent candidate. But we don't live in that universe. We live in the universe where Republicans make excuses for every terrible thing he says and does.
Quote from: Blackleaf on April 10, 2019, 02:21:06 AM
I'd like to think that there aren't enough racist, homophobic, sexist, ethnocentric, religious fanatics to vote Trump back in for a second term, but my faith in humanity is below sea level right now. If Republicans had a shred of decency, they wouldn't even allow Trump to run on the Republican ticket, run a different Republican in his place, and force Trump to have to run as an independent candidate. But we don't live in that universe. We live in the universe where Republicans make excuses for every terrible thing he says and does.
There actually is another Republican running (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/15/william-weld-challenge-donald-trump-gop-nomination-2020/2881686002/) -- not that you'd know it from the media coverage he's not getting, despite genuinely having a background that in any other year would make him a plausible contender.
The mainstream media, alas, puts their ratings ahead of the nation (https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/les-moonves-trump-cbs-220001). They don't want a fair fight on the GOP side; that might mean their pet blithering sociopath won't be there in the fall and they might have to *gasp* *horrors* cover a race on actual issues with real ideas.
On Teapot Dome .. the whole Republican privatization is the routine implementation of Teapot Dome corruption. And Diane Feinstein - D is part of this too.
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Sometimes I forget how many positions Trump has just refused to fill. He is beyond incompetent. But given the people he chooses to surround himself with, maybe it is for the best.
Quote from: trdsf on April 10, 2019, 03:01:01 AM
There actually is another Republican running (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/15/william-weld-challenge-donald-trump-gop-nomination-2020/2881686002/) -- not that you'd know it from the media coverage he's not getting, despite genuinely having a background that in any other year would make him a plausible contender.
The mainstream media, alas, puts their ratings ahead of the nation (https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/les-moonves-trump-cbs-220001). They don't want a fair fight on the GOP side; that might mean their pet blithering sociopath won't be there in the fall and they might have to *gasp* *horrors* cover a race on actual issues with real ideas.
I do wish the media wouldn't show favoritism towards certain candidates. Whether they're third party candidates or members of the same party, competing in primaries, the media just is not interested in giving equal consideration or time. I'm kinda surprised there is another Republican challenging Trump, though. In the past, when a party has split the vote like that, it hasn't worked out for them. But I doubt many Republicans will even know he's running, so... Trump 2020.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 09, 2019, 11:52:28 PM
Dafuq? Once wasn't enough?!??
You know, with campaign season so close, you'd think Trump would want the public to forget the kids-in-cages scandal. Not exactly a crowd-pleaser. I'm sure there are Republicans who get off to that sort of stuff, but those are the sort of people who voted for him the first time around and aren't intelligent or moral enough to regret it. Trump needs to win independents, and these sorts of policies will make them vote for a dead horse over Trump. Where's this guy's campaign chairman (https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/manafortmugshot.jpg?itok=dvfGYXys)? Oh, right...
I wonder who his campaign chairman is for the 2020 election? I hope the "fake news" and the Democratic House will take a good long look at anyone associated with Trump.
His whole world is a snake pit full of vipers, a barrel full of rotten monkeys, a cockroach infested heap of offal. Really awful offal.
Quote from: Blackleaf on April 10, 2019, 01:37:58 PM
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Sometimes I forget how many positions Trump has just refused to fill. He is beyond incompetent. But given the people he chooses to surround himself with, maybe it is for the best.
I really wish Trump was incompetent--he is not. He knows what he wants and how to get it. He creates chaos since he thrives in it. And it muddies the waters so much that many don't see what he is doing; and tires others out so they stop caring. He wants to become an absolute ruler--so why would he keep any of those positions of power peopled? He would ignore them anyway, but with those positions filled it would be noticed that he is going against all of them. The so-called republications, want their part of the spoils and therefore do nothing. He rules like a mob-boss and that is what he essentially is. As he chips away at the American political system and does away with the checks and balances, he gains more and more power. That is is aim and goal.
All those "acting" heads of departments are dependent on the whim of a lunatic, who can fire them on twitter at a moment's notice. So they have to keep him pleased to keep their jobs.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 10, 2019, 02:03:04 PM
I wonder who his campaign chairman is for the 2020 election? I hope the "fake news" and the Democratic House will take a good long look at anyone associated with Trump.
His whole world is a snake pit full of vipers, a barrel full of rotten monkeys, a cockroach infested heap of offal. Really awful offal.
I doubt Mr Manafort will be available by then ;-)
As far as acting heads of departments go, even the regulars are just acting ;-)
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Sorry Mr Devil, government employees have to wear clothes.
Except when they visit the massage parlor, or their local porn star.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3a6rCFNDc
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/09/dojs-new-stance-on-foreign-payments-or-gifts-to-trump-blurs-lines-experts
So, now Trump and other government officials can legally accept bribes from foreign individuals and governments? Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
Drain the swamp -> legally-sanctioned corruption
If only there were some sort of sign before the election that we shouldn't trust him.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 11, 2019, 05:32:39 PM
Drain the swamp -> legally-sanctioned corruption
If only there were some sort of sign before the election that we shouldn't trust him.
Mouth was moving?
Gary Johnson 2020 ;-)
"I have not read the Mueller report. I haven't seen the Mueller report. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about the Mueller report. I've been totally exonerated... It was an illegal investigation. It was started illegally. Everything about it was crooked...What they did was treason...This was an attempted coup."
-- Trump
"[It] does not exonerate him."
-- AG William Barr quoting the Mueller report on obstruction
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2019, 06:08:16 AM
"I have not read the Mueller report. I haven't seen the Mueller report. As far as I'm concerned, I don't care about the Mueller report. I've been totally exonerated... It was an illegal investigation. It was started illegally. Everything about it was crooked...What they did was treason...This was an attempted coup."
-- Trump
"[It] does not exonerate him."
-- AG William Barr quoting the Mueller report on obstruction
As in ... doesn't exonerate his business practices or tax return ... of course. Because Mueller wasn't after that.
But if AG Barr is Satan, why would he throw a bone to the D-party?
Yes, what President Obama on down did, was bigger than Watergate. But treason?
But what comes next is ... assassinate your election opponent ... Roman style.
QuotePresident Trump tweeted that his administration is considering placing illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities, an idea that was previously denounced by White House sources.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfD4NbWYB8s
Trump's twitter feed is like a trough he uses to feed the swine of his base (adj.) base (noun).
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 12, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
Trump's twitter feed is like a trough he uses to feed the swine of his base (adj.) base (noun).
Can't see how that would be legal. Putting California citizens in leper colonies, sure, but not illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities ;-)
How do you anti-Bible types mind the use of an OT legality, be used to characterize something from today. Sanctuary cities was originally an OT concept, regarding a method for limiting "victim of family" vendetta against accused murderers.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 12, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfD4NbWYB8s
Trump's twitter feed is like a trough he uses to feed the swine of his base (adj.) base (noun).
Nice meaningful parts of speech!
Face it, Trump cheats at golf, one of the few sports that require individual honesty. I was just reading experiences that reputable golfers described about Trump. I'll give a FEW...
1. He would play the first round at new club and declare himself The Champion.
2. He would hit a ball into the woods and "MIRACLE", his caddy would find his ball in the middle of the fairway
3. Tiger Woods (IIRC) said once that Trump hit 2 balls into a pond and counted neither of them.
4. Etc, etc, etc
If you cheat at golf, there is no redemption...
Correct, there is no redemption for anyone, including Trump.
My mother was happy to hear in nursing home, that Trump had won in 2016. But note ... she was senile at the time.
If G-d cheats at golf, who is not going to give Him a mulligan?
Quote from: Baruch on April 14, 2019, 05:09:14 AM
Correct, there is no redemption for anyone, including Trump.
My mother was happy to hear in nursing home, that Trump had won in 2016. But note ... she was senile at the time.
If G-d cheats at golf, who is not going to give Him a mulligan?
If I played God at golf, I would lose. He would just direct HIS ball into the hole. But if he didn't and tried to cheat, I would call HIM on it.
And write a book...
"Never again!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjeuuCVOFS0
Trump haters ... beware what happened to Rumplstiltskin. You might knock a hole in the floor!
QuoteDonald Trump stole the grief of 9/11 families by claiming he "lost hundreds of friends" on 9/11 when he actually lost no friends on 9/11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHbeDq84pdQ
QuoteWe have to discuss Michele Bachmann who said Donald Trump is the most biblical president she has ever seen in her lifetime. She also claims that we will likely never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime. She clearly doesn't follow the exploits of Donald Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lQHJ1ssHBU
Well, considering how horrible is the biblical God, I'd say she might be right that Trump is very godly.
That is definitely a bad sign for Trump. Ms Bachmann is definitely a nut case ;-(
Here is my borrowed picturesque British put down of the crazies ... "Hysterical Bug-Eyed Commie Loon".
It is bath-salts, all the way down to Hell.
I remember when Trump and Obama were both at the funeral for George Bush senior, and Obama recited the Nicene Creed by memory while Trump refused to even read it in print. Did Republicans see that as a sign that Trump don't give a fuck about a higher power when he can't exploit it for money? Nope. They said, "It's because he's not a Catholic." Oh, yes. I'm sure the reason Trump refused to read the Nicene Creed was because he was your brand of Christian, not that brand of fake Christians Obama is a part of. Wait... Wasn't Obama supposed to be a Muslim? Oh well. Point is, 100% of Democrats are evil atheists and Muslims, while our Republicans are all true, God fearing men with their three ex-wives and multiple affairs. Because that's how people behave when they believe that an omnipresent, omnipotent God is always watching them.
Quote from: Blackleaf on April 17, 2019, 07:14:29 PM
I remember when Trump and Obama were both at the funeral for George Bush senior, and Obama recited the Nicene Creed by memory while Trump refused to even read it in print. Did Republicans see that as a sign that Trump don't give a fuck about a higher power when he can't exploit it for money? Nope. They said, "It's because he's not a Catholic." Oh, yes. I'm sure the reason Trump refused to read the Nicene Creed was because he was your brand of Christian, not that brand of fake Christians Obama is a part of. Wait... Wasn't Obama supposed to be a Muslim? Oh well. Point is, 100% of Democrats are evil atheists and Muslims, while our Republicans are all true, God fearing men with their three ex-wives and multiple affairs. Because that's how people behave when they believe that an omnipresent, omnipotent God is always watching them.
If Obama recited the Nicene Creed from memory, given that he is a politician, I am to recall that the Devil himself quotes scripture to his corrupt purposes.
No, Americans are not anything other than rebels, traitors, anarchists, criminals. And that is a good thing. Also I deeply suspect Trump by ancestry is Jewish, not Gentile. Think about how he relates to Jews and Israel.
Quote from: Baruch on April 17, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
If Obama recited the Nicene Creed from memory, given that he is a politician, I am to recall that the Devil himself quotes scripture to his corrupt purposes.
No, Americans are not anything other than rebels, traitors, anarchists, criminals. And that is a good thing. Also I deeply suspect Trump by ancestry is Jewish, not Gentile. Think about how he relates to Jews and Israel.
I...really doubt he's Jewish. But I'm sure he's "great friends with many of the Jews."
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 15, 2019, 03:06:43 PM
"Never again!"
Hey, that guy might be knowledgeable and intelligent, but he can't talk live worth a plugged nickle!
"This WikiLeaks is like a treasure trove."
-- Trump 2016
"I love WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable. It tells you the inner heart, you gotta read it."
-- Trump 2016
"They've got it all down, folks. WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"Oh, we love WikiLeaks...I just love reading those WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It's not my thing...It's not my deal in life."
-- Trump last week, after the arrest of Julian Assange
"Clearly the president was making a joke during the 2016 campaign."
-- WH press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 18, 2019, 06:30:37 AM
"This WikiLeaks is like a treasure trove."
-- Trump 2016
"I love WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"This WikiLeaks stuff is unbelievable. It tells you the inner heart, you gotta read it."
-- Trump 2016
"They've got it all down, folks. WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"Oh, we love WikiLeaks...I just love reading those WikiLeaks."
-- Trump 2016
"I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It's not my thing...It's not my deal in life."
-- Trump last week, after the arrest of Julian Assange
"Clearly the president was making a joke during the 2016 campaign."
-- WH press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders
Totally agree. Trumps has 3 sequential thoughts about everyone.
1. This person is Bigly good and my true friend forever
2. This person was never my friend.
3. Never heard of him/her.
Trump can be caught breathing then he has obstructed justice. The intent is to return Assange to the US for enhanced interrogation. How he saw Trump, personally in Dealy Plaza, in 1963. Maybe Assange should be water boarded right next to Hillary or those DNC bitches. We live in scary times (it is always so) ... there are going to be a lot of dead people.
Quote from: Baruch on April 18, 2019, 10:35:04 AM
Trump can be caught breathing then he has obstructed justice. The intent is to return Assange to the US for enhanced interrogation. How he saw Trump, personally in Dealy Plaza, in 1963. Maybe Assange should be water boarded right next to Hillary or those DNC bitches. We live in scary times (it is always so) ... there are going to be a lot of dead people.
You are weirder than Trump is... And I think that usually takes some effort. What scares me is that that comes naturally to you.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 10:40:12 AM
You are weirder than Trump is... And I think that usually takes some effort. What scares me is that that comes naturally to you.
I am the monster under your bed, in your closet ... the "angst". Watch 13th Warrior if you don't know what that is.
Quote from: Baruch on April 18, 2019, 10:46:06 AM
I am the monster under your bed, in your closet ... the "angst". Watch 13th Warrior if you don't know what that is.
I never had "a monster under the bed" even as a young child. The dark held no fears for me. I slept easily in the dark. I feared no imaginings. Maybe that is why I laugh at unreal things.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
I never had "a monster under the bed" even as a young child. The dark held no fears for me. I slept easily in the dark. I feared no imaginings. Maybe that is why I laugh at unreal things.
You are special. And I don't mean that pejoratively. But it does put you outside most of the human race.
Quote from: Baruch on April 18, 2019, 10:55:33 AM
You are special. And I don't mean that pejoratively. But it does put you outside most of the human race.
I AM special. The bed-monsters told me so. J/K
I get your point. Iwas never like most kids. I thought logically before there was Spock, I feared no TV/movie monsters, and I was comfortable in the dark. Well, there was a week after 'Day Of The Triffids' where I had to take out the trash at night under the wavering overhanging bushes... No one is perfect. But I looked at them in the daytime and got over that...
Observation gives reality...
Quote from: Baruch on April 17, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
If Obama recited the Nicene Creed from memory, given that he is a politician, I am to recall that the Devil himself quotes scripture to his corrupt purposes.
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!â€
So if the bard said it, it must be true?
Quote from: Baruch on April 17, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
If Obama recited the Nicene Creed from memory, given that he is a politician, I am to recall that the Devil himself quotes scripture to his corrupt purposes.
No, Americans are not anything other than rebels, traitors, anarchists, criminals. And that is a good thing. Also I deeply suspect Trump by ancestry is Jewish, not Gentile. Think about how he relates to Jews and Israel.
WOW! Just WOW! OK, more...
You have seldom been this obvious previously and I am quite surprised. Not about WHAT you said but that you actually finally said it.
From what I can find (Wiki and a few other sources), Trump is a Presbyterian. His ancestors were Lutheran on his paternal grandfather's side in Germany and Presbyterian on his mother's side in Scotland. His parents married in a Presbyterian church in Manhattan in 1936. His family ancestry seems reasonably straight-forward about that going back several generations.
I mentioned once before, that I suspect you are a jesuit bedeviling (pun intended) the board as some form of penance or mission. I was half-joking then, but now I'm not so uncertain.
"I am to recall that the Devil himself quotes scripture to his corrupt purposes" is pretty strong language. Be that so or not, the idea behind it is worrisome.
A major part of a discussion board is trusting that participants are honest among themselves. So, is there something more you should tell us about yourself?
I don't really care WHAT religion a theist holds, they are mostly all the same superstition to me. But one should be honest about their thoughts. But I detect the doctrine of strict mental reservation in you...
Quote from: Cavebear on April 18, 2019, 01:07:50 PM
I AM special. The bed-monsters told me so. J/K
I get your point. Iwas never like most kids. I thought logically before there was Spock, I feared no TV/movie monsters, and I was comfortable in the dark. Well, there was a week after 'Day Of The Triffids' where I had to take out the trash at night under the wavering overhanging bushes... No one is perfect. But I looked at them in the daytime and got over that...
Observation gives reality...
Yes, you were a pod person, without being taken over ;-) There are 16 personality types, and you are one of the rare ones. Not unknown, just not common.
But given that people are different, are not the same, one particular POV, particularly a rare one, doesn't get you any special treatment from the majority of personality types. I was accused of being Spock too, in group therapy. 30 years ago. I have developed. But I think the latent Spock for me was Jewish, not Vulcan. I match the actor, not the role.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCManQJHekc
How much will Trump's mental state have to deteriorate before the Republicans and his voting base notice he's not quite all there?
He is in the WH, like it or not. So in what way, is he not all there? Is he a bilocating shaman?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 18, 2019, 07:05:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCManQJHekc
How much will Trump's mental state have to deteriorate before the Republicans and his voting base notice he's not quite all there?
There is no bottom. The modern Republican party is a cult and their god-emperor may not be questioned.
You Dems project, so blind to your own Americanism.
This isn't about Trump, specifically, but he's the catalyst for it:
Quote"A right-wing militia group has begun stopping migrant families at gunpoint in southern New Mexico and detaining them before U.S. Border Patrol agents arrive, The New York Times reported Friday.
The group, which calls itself United Constitutional Patriots, has recently filmed their detention of migrants and uploaded the footage on social media, prompting pushback from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
The ACLU denounced the actions, saying the militia is operating without state or federal authority to arrest or detain migrants."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiT7SC849h8
So ... Trump exists, so KKK and Skinheads goose-step down Pennsylvania Ave? Maybe that is what is seems like from the opium dens of San Francisco.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnI8SUQPB4k
Even if Trump was never born, the KKK would still exist, you paranoids. My mother saw it in action as a child in the early 30s. We aren't living that now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Ud5mmjnNM
And yes, it isn't true, in spite of Leftists in Congress, that Red Guards are swarming DC waving AOC's little red book ;-)
What does San Francisco look to someone not on either coast? Shit city. Clean up your own state first ;-( Not called Crap-ifornia for nothing.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xdae/more-people-pooping-in-san-francisco-than-ever-all-time-high-vgtrn
Socialist Laborites turn local cities in GB to shit with their socialism crap. Socialist Dems do the same in Chicago, LA, San Francisco and Seattle. Detroit wasn't a warning about D-party crazies, it is a blueprint for every city.
Yeah, we need more of this shit ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhyDRbdVlS0
Woke analysis ... it is all about the money that the MSM made shilling crap ...
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russiagate-fiasco-taibbi-news-media-826246/
MSM has been worthless fake news for 120 years, since William Randolph Hearst.
"I wonder if the New York Times will apologize to me a second time, as they did after the 2016 election. But this one will have to be a far bigger and better apology. On this one they will have to get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness -- they are truly the Enemy of the People."
-- Trump
"Never apologized, never had a reason to."
-- NYT
No need to apologize for American FEMA camps. Looking forward to dealing with traitors. Sounds fun?
QuoteAccording to a damning new report from The New York Times, Donald Trump actually wanted to take the detained migrant children from our southern border and ship them down to Guantanamo Bay to be held indefinitely. This man is committing crimes against humanity with his immigration and detention policies and could likely be impeached just for this. But this new report shows how dangerous he truly is, as Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHa2qvkMq54
With the "great unwashed" it is possible a waterboarding session will be the first bath they ever get (sarc).
What is actually happening? At Yuma and El Paso DHS has too many illegal immigrants to handle. They are doing "catch and release" ...
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/overwhelmed-border-patrol-quick-releases-families
That source is pro Dem not pro Trump. There simply isn't enough facilities for holding people prior to their hearing, when there is a peak number of people.
Quote from: Baruch on April 18, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
Yes, you were a pod person, without being taken over ;-) There are 16 personality types, and you are one of the rare ones. Not unknown, just not common.
But given that people are different, are not the same, one particular POV, particularly a rare one, doesn't get you any special treatment from the majority of personality types. I was accused of being Spock too, in group therapy. 30 years ago. I have developed. But I think the latent Spock for me was Jewish, not Vulcan. I match the actor, not the role.
INTJ, IIRC.
https://www.16personalities.com/intj-personality. It seems accurate enough.
"This was a coup. Bigger than Watergate, because it means so much. This wasn't stealing information from an office in the Watergate apartments. This was an attempted coup. Like a Third World country and inconceivable...An attempted overthrow of the United States government."
-- Trump on Mueller investigation, which concluded that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion"
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 27, 2019, 07:41:50 AM
"This was a coup. Bigger than Watergate, because it means so much. This wasn't stealing information from an office in the Watergate apartments. This was an attempted coup. Like a Third World country and inconceivable...An attempted overthrow of the United States government."
-- Trump on Mueller investigation, which concluded that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion"
Every election is a bloodless coup. That is why we allow elections. Because we don't want the bloody kind. But most people are unhappy with the results of elections, unless their candidate wins. That is the threat ... that elected officials be obfuscated or removed (but then design of Federal government requires the opposition of the three branches, and sometimes between House and Senate, and sometime opposition by 4th estate or the 5th estate).
Impeachment as a public opinion poll ...
Currently ... for impeachment ...
62% of Dems
36% of Independents
10% of Repubs
If each section represented 1/3 of the adult population, then the math works out to ... 36% of the potential electorate.
QuoteTrump just told the most disgusting lie imaginable about executing live babies. This is beyond abhorrent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2qit9nAOTo
Just more lies from the Father of Lies.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 27, 2019, 07:41:50 AMLike a Third World country and inconceivable...
-- Trump
A weird way to describe election night, but okay.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 28, 2019, 05:44:18 PM
Just more lies from the Father of Lies.
So atheists quote the Bible, to their own purpose ... hmmm.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 28, 2019, 06:07:55 PM
A weird way to describe election night, but okay.
The US is a shit-country and you know it. 4th world.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 28, 2019, 06:07:55 PM
A weird way to describe election night, but okay.
Speaking of election night, Frankie Boyle's American Autopsy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPTUqy1utdM
"Donald Trump sort of looks like someone playing a president in a porno. It's not just that he's the worst person for the job. He might be the worst
mammal."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng-wEBEEDYs
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/04/gop-struggling-raise-online-donations-endangered-2020-candidates-report/
It must be hard to get $27 from people who don't trust you and have no reason to trust you, though I suppose briefcases full of cash and/or rubles are much more attractive, anyway. And politicians tend to support those who support them.
Democrats only take small donations? BS.
Hillary lost because she isn't a Black transexual :=)
Yes. Impeach the motherfucker. But watch the timing. Drag out the hearings in the House so you can dump it on the senate just as McConnell and his gang of scum-sucking pigs has to face the voters. Force them to support a criminal/lying/traitor when the voters are paying attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CgBke2tZ-A
Were the Republicans just projecting when they accused Obama of trying to stay in office after his term was finished?
Quote from: Minimalist on May 06, 2019, 03:28:15 PM
Yes. Impeach the motherfucker. But watch the timing. Drag out the hearings in the House so you can dump it on the senate just as McConnell and his gang of scum-sucking pigs has to face the voters. Force them to support a criminal/lying/traitor when the voters are paying attention.
Now that is balls. Are you the only Democrat with balls? You can impeach (not just the President) for a traffic ticket, let alone other things. There are a lot of sitting officials, including SCOTUS that I would impeach. The government should fear the people.
Too bad we couldn't try Bush/Cheny for war crimes. I consider their "work" to be more serious. That includes the more "political" things Barak or Hillary did (hmm, Libya, Ukraine, Syria). Bill Clinton was also guilty of war crimes when he was in office, against Iraq.
Trump trying to extend first term? Barak said he should have simply stayed, in Jan 2017. I remember when he said it ;-) Really, you people are being trolled by the biggest troll in America. There is no legality for such an extension, by Trump now or by Obama in 2017.
Quote from: Baruch on May 06, 2019, 11:30:17 PM
Barak said he should have simply stayed, in Jan 2017. I remember when he said it ;-)
I don't remember that, can you give us a reference?
Correct, B. He's a troll. But he has a following which thinks everything he says is right.
Those are the asswipes he is talking to!
Quote from: Minimalist on May 07, 2019, 03:09:54 PM
Correct, B. He's a troll. But he has a following which thinks everything he says is right.
Those are the asswipes he is talking to!
If speaking of Trump, your best bet is simply to shut down Twitter. He won't know what to do next ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 07, 2019, 01:16:04 PM
I don't remember that, can you give us a reference?
https://www.gq.com/story/barack-obama-preparing-for-third-term
Just joking, just like all of Trump's sayings are "just joking" like "fire Comey".
They may all be crooks, but some are more crooked than others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkT_2N6gEm8
Really? You dope-heads should be enthusiastic in supporting him then ;-}
I've never done cocaine, couldn't afford it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 09, 2019, 08:08:36 PM
I've never done cocaine, couldn't afford it.
Yes, know one's economic limitations. Will AOC help you afford better drugs? (rhetorical, don't answer).
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 09, 2019, 08:08:36 PM
I've never done cocaine, couldn't afford it.
Did some MJ in college (loved it) and some hash once (dream of falling gently through the sky toward a verdant forest as I leaned against a wall and slowly slid down). Did mild speed (white crosses) briefly when my job required me to haul palletts of motor oil and antifreeze 200 yards across a store. It gave me energy, but it made me talk a lot, LOL!
But stayed the hell away from anything stronger. I saw what those did to friends.
Alcohol is bad enough ... see what it did to Sen Ed Kennedy?
https://www.forbes.com/2009/08/27/ted-kennedy-soviet-union-ronald-reagan-opinions-columnists-peter-robinson.html#1cd0093a359a
Sen Ed Kennedy conspired with the Soviet Union ... though nothing was done on the suggestion. Alcohol. And Chappaquiddick ...
These people, all sides, play for keeps. They would kill their father, f**K their mother ... for power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGm7v1NiO0
It's a good thing that trade wars are so easy to win!
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 14, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGm7v1NiO0
It's a good thing that trade wars are so easy to win!
Left - surrender to nearest Frenchman, without pants (sans culottes).
Why do you favor trade? Communists (not you) want to end all market trade, just mandatory allocations from an appropriate supply commissar.
On the other hand, are you supporting China? How much fried rice allocation are you getting?
*wonders why he isn't impeached or dead yet*
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 15, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
*wonders why he isn't impeached or dead yet*
CIA isn't ready to kill him. He is fulfilling enough Neo-Con policy to be acceptable to them.
Dems have no guts to impeach. They virtue signal by attacking the AG or Trump's son.
BTW - my Chinese mandarins provided me with beef fried rice for lunch. A payday that was ;-)
Theyre just playing the 2020 card, and it's annoying because their taking their sweet time.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 15, 2019, 06:49:13 PM
Theyre just playing the 2020 card, and it's annoying because their taking their sweet time.
The miss timed their "insurance plan" in 2016, and it blew up in their faces. At least if a total asshole like Comey is involved ;-)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on May 15, 2019, 03:43:24 PM
*wonders why he isn't impeached or dead yet*
The "dead" part would sure solve a lot of issues. I mean, isn't Trump the poster boy for a fatal heart attack? Fast food, anger issues, threats to internal image...
"It's not clear what she was convicted of or what crime she committed."
-- Vladimir Putin on Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to trying to infiltrate conservative political circles and promote Russian interests before and after the 2016 election
Quote from: Cavebear on May 16, 2019, 04:37:00 AM
The "dead" part would sure solve a lot of issues. I mean, isn't Trump the poster boy for a fatal heart attack? Fast food, anger issues, threats to internal image...
Exactly. Kill any opponents. That isn't even Machiavelli, that is Augustus Caesar. Per Indo-Chinese experience 1965-1975 it would seem that Democrats are good at robbing, raping and murdering. Probably can teach the Republicans a thing or two.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 16, 2019, 06:40:52 AM
"It's not clear what she was convicted of or what crime she committed."
-- Vladimir Putin on Maria Butina, who pleaded guilty to trying to infiltrate conservative political circles and promote Russian interests before and after the 2016 election
Yes, a regular Kill Bill character ... with super katana powers ;-). If that is all it takes to destroy the US, then destroy it already.
Of course you are old school, as I am ... so lets just nuke the Russians already, right?
I don't see Trump having self esteem problems or unable to handle stress. I see all the snowflakes with self esteem problems or unable handle stress.
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2019, 07:22:23 AM
Exactly. Kill any opponents. That isn't even Machiavelli, that is Augustus Caesar. Per Indo-Chinese experience 1965-1975 it would seem that Democrats are good at robbing, raping and murdering. Probably can teach the Republicans a thing or two.
I admire the fact that you said "exactly" when that wasn't what I said at all. The Trump administration has an opening for you.
And, BTW, it was Eisenhower, a Republican, who first started the US on the Vietnam War track. He thought he should support the French there... After that, we were drawn in like a large snake swallowing a small poisonous frog.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 16, 2019, 09:29:50 AM
I admire the fact that you said "exactly" when that wasn't what I said at all. The Trump administration has an opening for you.
And, BTW, it was Eisenhower, a Republican, who first started the US on the Vietnam War track. He thought he should support the French there... After that, we were drawn in like a large snake swallowing a small poisonous frog.
Yes, we thought we could fix Vietnam from 1954. Bit mistake. What, 50 million people living there, not counting Cambodia and Laos? And we can do it via computer tabulation and minimal commitment. Just after having China hand us our stupid ass in Korea too.
Sorry, blame Ike. Don't blame JFK, LBJ or Nixon. But I think LBJ takes the cake for this.
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2019, 10:37:54 AM
Yes, we thought we could fix Vietnam from 1954. Bit mistake. What, 50 million people living there, not counting Cambodia and Laos? And we can do it via computer tabulation and minimal commitment. Just after having China hand us our stupid ass in Korea too.
Sorry, blame Ike. Don't blame JFK, LBJ or Nixon. But I think LBJ takes the cake for this.
I actually didn't blame JFK, LBJ, or RMN in my post. I blamed Eisenhower ( who I admire otherwise).
I know a lot about the Vietnam years. I was "of that age" for one thing. And when I returned to college in the 90s, I took the senior course on The Vietnam War for a reason. I was the only student in the class who "was of the time". By invitation of the professor, I lead a session on the demonstrations, fears of draftees, fears of avoiding the draft, etc.
The professor said "there is almost always one in the class", but she said the others wore fatigues. I was her first anti...
Funny side note. There was an aerial picture of a demonstration at Univ Of MD. I recognized it. I was in there...
You know a lot about Vietnam? Ever been there like my older brother and older cousin? You are delusional again. Stop with the bath salts. It doesn't cure arthritis.
Why not blame France for Vietnam, they were the knuckleheads who occupied it in the first place (after several Chinese dynasties tried the same shit).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zks6L-vY098
They didn't have the Internet in 1965, so I guess the State Dept was helpless until recently ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2019, 11:07:27 AM
You know a lot about Vietnam? Ever been there like my older brother and older cousin? You are delusional again. Stop with the bath salts. It doesn't cure arthritis.
Why not blame France for Vietnam, they were the knuckleheads who occupied it in the first place (after several Chinese dynasties tried the same shit).
They didn't have the Internet in 1965, so I guess the State Dept was helpless until recently ;-)
I know a lot about the Vietnam WAR. There is a difference. I know a lot about the US Civil War and I was involved on the field there either.
As far as serving goes, I dropped my college deferment in 1969 and took my chances. Its good that I wasn't called; I would have been a terrible soldier. Oh, I wouldn't have had a problem shooting enemies, but I don't take orders well. I question authority too much. Were you there yourself? Bone spurs?
I don't bother to blame European countries of all nations for colonialism. It was a dreadful period of history and one could wonder legitimately how the world would be if Europe had not tried it. But that is the past.
I blame France for a LOT of bad events (and I'm half French in general). Like Trump, they pretty much screw up everything they touch. That's a future subject of discussion... But Vietnam is one of them for sure.
I should write an alternative history story starting with Napoleon either winning in Russia or losing the first battle in Europe and fading away. Either would be fun.
Arm chair war is like a lot of arm chair politics. Puff. Unless the other guy has his vice-grips locked on your gonads, you aren't even serious.
Ever hear about their (French) equally dismal record, post WW II in Madagascar? GB in Kenya?
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2019, 02:21:27 PM
Arm chair war is like a lot of arm chair politics. Puff. Unless the other guy has his vice-grips locked on your gonads, you aren't even serious.
Ever hear about their (French) equally dismal record, post WW II in Madagascar? GB in Kenya?
How do you prove you are French? (raise both hands)
WWII essentially ended the misbegotten colonial period on all continents, though there were some attempts to maintain strategic resources. Thankfully, that also ended in favor of one-sided trade for a while until things balanced. The US was stupid to get in on the back end of it.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 16, 2019, 02:37:29 PM
How do you prove you are French? (raise both hands)
WWII essentially ended the misbegotten colonial period on all continents, though there were some attempts to maintain strategic resources. Thankfully, that also ended in favor of one-sided trade for a while until things balanced. The US was stupid to get in on the back end of it.
Nothing wrong with colonialism. Without it, you and I would be in a mud hut in Europe, fighting over a bone.
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2019, 02:40:29 PM
Nothing wrong with colonialism. Without it, you and I would be in a mud hut in Europe, fighting over a bone.
Colonialism is different from migration. It is an organized culture taking over another weaker one from afar.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 16, 2019, 02:46:09 PM
Colonialism is different from migration. It is an organized culture taking over another weaker one from afar.
Tooth and claw is ... evolution. Per Darwin, you didn't even try (I don't agree with Darwin). Selfish sperms.
This is how idiots think US foreign policy used to work (in fact vs Veracruze Mexico, not Tangier Morocco) ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5niMFTyhqs
Lying us into a war is MURDER! Both our soldiers and the "enemy" that are killed will be victims of MURDER! It was MURDER in Iraq and it will be MURDER in Iran.
I've found my motto for the next election: the Make America Not Insane Again Campaign 2020. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFE6aDIxc4k
(after the first ten minutes it becomes an Ossman/Firesign retrospective rather than a campaign parody, and a tip o' the campaign button to Cavebear)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
Lying us into a war is MURDER! Both our soldiers and the "enemy" that are killed will be victims of MURDER! It was MURDER in Iraq and it will be MURDER in Iran.
All wars are murder. Including American Revolution. Long live King George, huzzah!
Denver getting "shrooms" .. so more insanity, but with assistance. No need to have elections, just like toads.
There is such a thing as "just war" but we haven't had one of those since WWII. The Nazis had to be stopped, and we stopped them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
There is such a thing as "just war" but we haven't had one of those since WWII. The Nazis had to be stopped, and we stopped them.
Russians stopped them, we helped the Russians do it. Get the priority straight ;-) America was never great, except in marketing.
I would generally agree, if you are so remiss as to let an enemy attack you first, then it is pretty clear who the aggressor is. But we cut off all oil imports to Japan in 1941 ... oops!
Well, the word "we" included the Russians.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 17, 2019, 01:21:22 PM
Well, the word "we" included the Russians.
Don't know if the Soviets exported oil back in 1941 to Japan. They did have oil, still do, and were exporting many things to Germany as part of their Poland agreement. In my own post I should have said USA, I wasn't including all the other economic relationships.
In WW II, while GB, US and Soviets were wartime allies, the relationship between GB and the US was much deeper, extending to today (unless Huawei divides us). The relationship between the Anglosphere and the Soviet Union was only a temporary one. This was much debated in 1944 in the Anglosphere, but because of the decline of FDR, and temporary resurgence of Churchill, the Atlantic Charter (ancestor of Nato) came down strongly anti-Soviet, not a surprise to Stalin at all).
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2019, 07:44:12 PM
There is such a thing as "just war" but we haven't had one of those since WWII. The Nazis had to be stopped, and we stopped them.
A great appropriate quote ...
“THE STATESMEN WILL INVENT CHEAP LIES, PUTTING THE BLAME UPON THE NATION THAT IS ATTACKED, AND EVERY MAN WILL BE GLAD OF THOSE CONSCIENCE-SOOTHING FALSITIES, AND WILL DILIGENTLY STUDY THEM, AND REFUSE TO EXAMINE ANY REFUTATIONS OF THEM; AND THUS HE WILL BY AND BY CONVINCE HIMSELF THAT THE WAR IS JUST, AND WILL THANK GOD FOR THE BETTER SLEEP HE ENJOYS AFTER THIS PROCESS OF GROTESQUE SELF-DECEPTION.†- MARK TWAIN, THE MYSTERIOUS STRANGER
If your senate testimony lasts longer then 4 hours contact a doctor or emergency care immediately.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 17, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
If your senate testimony lasts longer then 4 hours contact a doctor or emergency care immediately.
Easy legislation ... lock them up with no access to executive restroom for 4 hours ...
Perhaps I should have specified that I was referring to DJTJ's subpoena.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 17, 2019, 05:48:12 PM
Perhaps I should have specified that I was referring to DJTJ's subpoena.
Works either way. Better than waterboarding ... call it piss-boarding. Most people are too proud to piss/crap their pants in public.
Trump wants absolute power so he can be corrupt absolutely.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 18, 2019, 07:13:24 PM
Trump wants absolute power so he can be corrupt absolutely.
Sounds like projection to me ;-) Tell us what corrupts you (rhetorical question).
I hope the Pope realizes he is a threat, in that case ;-))
That is what the EU is ... a stalking horse for the Papacy ... per the EU constitution, eventually the Brussels committees have to report to the Vatican.
I'm beginning to suspect that the Democrats are just the loyal opposition, and will do nothing real to stop the Trump train from running America off the rails. They'll talk about doing something, but that's all they'll do, and then they'll put up a weak candidate in 2020 so Trump will be a shoe in for re-election.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 20, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
I'm beginning to suspect that the Democrats are just the loyal opposition, and will do nothing real to stop the Trump train from running America off the rails. They'll talk about doing something, but that's all they'll do, and then they'll put up a weak candidate in 2020 so Trump will be a shoe in for re-election.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
Republicans = fake Democrats
Democrats = fake Republicans
Public = Dupes
When Trump says he doesn't want war, considering his past history of lying, I think we can be sure that's exactly what he wants - war. He just needs to time it right so as to help him win in 2020.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 21, 2019, 02:47:03 PM
When Trump says he doesn't want war, considering his past history of lying, I think we can be sure that's exactly what he wants - war. He just needs to time it right so as to help him win in 2020.
Wouldn't be the first time. Worked for Obama in Syria and Libya (2011). Ukraine (2014) and Yemen (2015) came later. Nobel peace prize at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Zv3zlK714
Congress has no power of enforcement. And Trump knows that.
Caesar - the only good senator is a dead senator? The US fell long ago to the barbarians. Just think ... Acid Rock, mod-60s.
Quote from: trdsf on May 16, 2019, 06:30:00 PM
I've found my motto for the next election: the Make America Not Insane Again Campaign 2020. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFE6aDIxc4k
(after the first ten minutes it becomes an Ossman/Firesign retrospective rather than a campaign parody, and a tip o' the campaign button to Cavebear)
MANIC is sure a great acronym. But (forgetful me), to what do I own the honor of the "tip o' the campaign button"? I'll probably recall it with a hint...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLN_3zN9cOY
Now I know why Trump loves Andrew Jackson so much.
What? In a parallel universe, zombie Andrew Jackson stayed President forever? Neat!! I like Old Hickory. But the British didn't.
Vampire killer Lincoln wasn't like that ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZYVthhjUXM
If we need to go full fictional, why stop there?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 22, 2019, 02:31:18 AM
MANIC is sure a great acronym. But (forgetful me), to what do I own the honor of the "tip o' the campaign button"? I'll probably recall it with a hint...
Surely the Papoon for President campaign -- NOT INSANE! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ATnVigg2k
Trump likes slits, sluts and slats. Slots he went bankrupt with.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 25, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Trump likes slits, sluts and slats. Slots he went bankrupt with.
Please TMI, if that is how you got to where you are now ;-( Some people in California go to the Indian casino every weekend ...
Timeline from all docs so far ...
Bill and Hillary Clinton (long term CIA operatives) starting with seed material provided by JEB Bush campaign (Bush family also long term CIA operatives) ...
Governments of GB, Australia, Ukraine engaged in conspiracy to interfere in the US 2016 election, with the assistance of Italian government ...
Knowledge of conspiracy to interfere with Trump campaign or blackmail Trump by Barak Obama, Joe Biden, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, Clintons ...
Attempt by CIA, MI6, FBI, MI5 etc to blackmail members of the Trump team ...
Much, much bigger than Watergate ... bigger than Obama/Hillary collusion with Putin over Uranium One ...
What should be done? Declare GB, Australia, Ukraine and Italy ... enemies of the US ... immediate termination of US participation in Nato and Five Eyes
Arrest of Barak Obama, Jode Biden, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch and both Clintons for criminal conspiracy ... as well as other related felonies (misused of classified info, misuse of FISA, destruction of evidence (Hillary server contents). Will the Bush Paraguayan ranch hideout be big enough to hide all the Deep State leaders?
Well, Burach, when you say that that both Bill and Hillary Clinton were "long term CIA operatives", I just have to laugh and ignore you.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 02:13:03 AM
Well, Burach, when you say that that both Bill and Hillary Clinton were "long term CIA operatives", I just have to laugh and ignore you.
Ignorance is bliss. I wish they weren't guilty, I wish no one was. And I don't expect them to be punished ... the CIA never is, not now, not Nov 22 1963.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 04:18:32 AM
Ignorance is bliss. I wish they weren't guilty, I wish no one was. And I don't expect them to be punished ... the CIA never is, not now, now Nov 22 1963.
Top Ten Conspiracy Theories...
1. The 911 attacks were faked.
2. The 911 attacks were arranged by the CIA.
3. Princess Diana was deliberately murdered by the Queen.
4. TV show subliminal advertising.
5. The Moon landing was a hoax.
6. Paul McCartney died in 1966 (OK, at the time, I thought maybe that one was right).
7. Any JFK assassination theory except the real one.
8. Roswell. Enough said...
9. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
10. Satanic Cults.
If anyone believes any of them, they're an idiot... And probably support Trump. Seriously, if you believe in any of those, you are likely a Trump supporter...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 04:37:19 AM
Top Ten Conspiracy Theories...
1. The 911 attacks were faked.
2. The 911 attacks were arranged by the CIA.
3. Princess Diana was deliberately murdered by the Queen.
4. TV show subliminal advertising.
5. The Moon landing was a hoax.
6. Paul McCartney died in 1966 (OK, at the time, I thought maybe that one was right).
7. Any JFK assassination theory except the real one.
8. Roswell. Enough said...
9. The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
10. Satanic Cults.
If anyone believes any of them, they're an idiot... And probably support Trump. Seriously, if you believe in any of those, you are likely a Trump supporter...
Founding of USA ... that is the biggest lie of all. One lie doesn't exonerate other lies.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 04:43:13 AM
Founding of USA ... that is the biggest lie of all. One lie doesn't exonerate other lies.
*SIGH*
OK, tell me what lies you think happened. I might even agree with some. But unless you tell us what you think they were, we can't discuss them.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 04:54:26 AM
*SIGH*
OK, tell me what lies you think happened. I might even agree with some. But unless you tell us what you think they were, we can't discuss them.
I did, you want to repeat last 3 years of posts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pLWAeCcPHQ
Woodward (Watergate) is a CIA agent. Deep Throat was the Deputy chief of FBI. Nixon did nothing wrong, other than being a Republican.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 04:58:33 AM
I did, you want to repeat last 3 years of posts?
Woodward (Watergate) is a CIA agent. Deep Throat was the Deputy chief of FBI. Nixon did nothing wrong, other than being a Republican.
The last thing in the world I would bother with is reviewing your old posts. Most make no sense, and the rest have been refuted by myself and others.
Nixon was threatened with impeachment not for the minor burglary crime, but for the cover-up. Trump will be caught the same way.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 05:03:37 AM
The last thing in the world I would bother with is reviewing your old posts. Most make no sense, and the rest have been refuted by myself and others.
Nixon was threatened with impeachment not for the minor burglary crime, but for the cover-up. Trump will be caught the same way.
D party members are gods, anyone else are demons. That is clear New England theology.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 05:09:52 AM
D party members are gods, anyone else are demons. That is clear New England theology.
There are no gods nor demons.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 05:11:07 AM
There are no gods nor demons.
No true Americans, or Scotsmen.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 05:12:55 AM
No true Americans, or Scotsmen.
Well, I might agree about no true Americans in the sense that most of us come from elsewhere and even the DNA test sites can't tell. But I think Scots are actually Celtic.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 05:18:23 AM
Well, I might agree about no true Americans in the sense that most of us come from elsewhere and even the DNA test sites can't tell. But I think Scots are actually Celtic.
With Merkel, everyone in Scotland is a Muslim Pakistani ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 07:16:18 AM
With Merkel, everyone in Scotland is a Muslim Pakistani ;-)
Hmmm, I may have been missing Merkel's latest thoughts, but it seems to me she is more sensible than THAT! Do you have a reason for that suggestion?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
Hmmm, I may have been missing Merkel's latest thoughts, but it seems to me she is more sensible than THAT! Do you have a reason for that suggestion?
I love the way Scots curse. They are the least beta male among Europeans, in spite of the kilt. So the juxtaposition is particularly delicious. It wouldn't work at all if you used "French" for the comparison ;-) Scots brogue is thick enough, it could pass for Arabic ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9oKdUFCoVo
The interaction between broadsword wielding Scotsmen and scimitar wielding Arabs would at least be a challenge.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 10:20:51 AM
I love the way Scots curse. They are the least beta male among Europeans, in spite of the kilt. So the juxtaposition is particularly delicious. It wouldn't work at all if you used "French" for the comparison ;-) Scots brogue is thick enough, it could pass for Arabic ...
The interaction between broadsword wielding Scotsmen and scimitar wielding Arabs would at least be a challenge.
So... You replied to my question about Angela Merkel by talking about Scottish kilts and comparing broadswords to scimitars?
Do you detect a slight avoidance here?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
So... You replied to my question about Angela Merkel by talking about Scottish kilts and comparing broadswords to scimitars?
Do you detect a slight avoidance here?
Hardly, you are the avid golfer. You are so one dimensional, you can't see anything coming from the sides.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2019, 10:03:39 PM
Hardly, you are the avid golfer. You are so one dimensional, you can't see anything coming from the sides.
I haven't played golf since 1992. And only then to be Dad's partner at the Member/Guest Tourney at his club (once rated among the 50th hardest courses). I had a decent swing, but Dad insisted on improving it to the point where I was ineffectual. One year, it rained hard and he was having enough trouble with his own swing that he stopped bothering me. I went nuts like Caddyshack and we won.
And I've never played a round since...
You talk about golf all the time, like it was yesterday ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:03:29 AM
You talk about golf all the time, like it was yesterday ;-)
Memories reside in the present. Out of curiousity, when IS the last time I mentioned golfing other than as a past interest? Aside from now, of course. You would seize on that, LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 12:07:30 AM
Memories reside in the present. Out of curiousity, when IS the last time I mentioned golfing other than as a past interest? Aside from now, of course. You would seize on that, LOL!
If is alive in your memory, is it dead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc
Trump could be impeached for this, but won't ...
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:10:30 AM
If is alive in your memory, is it dead?
Memories are neither alive nor dead. They just exist. And you didn't answer my question...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 12:12:37 AM
Memories are neither alive nor dead. They just exist. And you didn't answer my question...
You are wrong, as usual. But I give allowance for people even older than I am.
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:16:08 AM
You are wrong, as usual. But I give allowance for people even older than I am.
Give examples. I find myself forgetful lately. ;)
Quote from: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 12:18:44 AM
Give examples. I find myself forgetful lately. ;)
Prequel to current White House ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY
You can't wash your eyeballs after seeing this!
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:22:57 AM
Prequel to current White House ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Guve7Y856kY
You can't wash your eyeballs after seeing this!
I don't care what you say, you are really British! I bet you dream about Benny Hill. LOOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on May 27, 2019, 12:27:41 AM
I don't care what you say, you are really British! I bet you dream about Benny Hill. LOOL!
Benny was great. So not PC. Tie up all the Puritan Left, and make them bing watch all his shows. If they die, they die.
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:28:55 AM
Benny was great. So not PC. Tie up all the Puritan Left, and make them bing watch all his shows. If they die, they die.
The Puritan Left was his audience... He always was a bit tit-alating...
Back when jogging was in ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tER-Gsu_X8Q
Quote from: Baruch on May 27, 2019, 12:32:37 AM
Back when jogging was in ...
I needed that. 10-Q...
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 05:18:23 AM
But I think Scots are actually Celtic.
From Boston?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 26, 2019, 07:23:56 AM
Do you have a reason for that suggestion?
Hmmm, that's an odd question to be asking Baruch. Or did you mean it as a rhetorical question?
I haven't seen Benny Hill in a long time - thanks for jogging my memory! :-P
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azck1jY79cA
"No man is safe while the Legislature is in session"-and I wouldn't put anything past the Executive or Judiciary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpSt34qB6K8
Expect more and more war, because war is lucrative, and so America will never give up its addiction to mass murder.
Pence is a Dominionist, it isn't about money. When Super-Jesus on a White Horse descends from Heaven and slaughters all the Democrats … then you will appreciate Trump more ;-( Pence is more scary than you money haters can even imagine.
Indeed, but I think hes more better choice than the idiot
At least Pence actually believes in something other than himself.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 30, 2019, 01:41:34 PM
At least Pence actually believes in something other than himself.
As did Hitler. Another remark that makes me nuts is 'At least he/she is sincere in their beliefs'--as tho sincerity lends credence to said beliefs. Hitler was very sincere in his beliefs--doesn't not change the fact that Hitler was pure evil.
Yeah, Pence want to turn America into a theocracy. I doubt that would be any better than whatever Trump wants to turn America into - whatever the hell that is.
Our government has apparently been full of criminals for decades. The more crimes they get away with, the more crimes they commit. There is no America, because the Constitution is no longer in force, except when it's convenient for the criminals to get away with more crimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfuHRO8x738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzOmtxmuahY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41SxwmRUqEg
Bill Barr is a space alien … Mueller is Putin's butt buddy … Dems might as well join the Flat Earth society ;-)
No, Pence won't be better, that is ridiculous .. Pence will be 100 x worse than Trump. I guess you really don't count burning at the stake a real problem. Trump won't burn you at the stake, unless you are a Left conspiracy nut.
Well, Mueller's statement on his investigation was interesting (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-48451174/trump-russia-investigation-robert-mueller-s-first-public-statement-in-full). The remarkable statement that if the Orange Disaster area "clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so" couldn't be clearer. I don't think it could've been a more direct call for Congress to exercise its oversight responsibilities.
His statement was also remarkable for its measured, careful, and responsible tone. And the magnificent way he said Lord Dampnut obstructed justice without actually formally saying he obstructed justice.
Meanwhile, I'm drafting a letter to my useless Senator asking what, if anything, it's going to take to get him to put his country ahead of his party.
But Sean Hannity says Trump's completely innocent! And FUX Gnus says Trump is completely innocent!
So Trump must be guilty as sin.
I want to grab Pelosi by the neck and show her this!
https://youtu.be/sXE8LdXzeHM (https://youtu.be/sXE8LdXzeHM)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 30, 2019, 06:58:22 PM
But Sean Hannity says Trump's completely innocent! And FUX Gnus says Trump is completely innocent!
So Trump must be guilty as sin.
He even admitted he's guilty as fuck in the following tweet (emphasis added): "Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with
Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,..... (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1134066371510378501)"
Quote from: Minimalist on May 30, 2019, 09:21:03 PM
I want to grab Pelosi by the neck and show her this!
Conviction in the Senate would take 20 Republican senators voting with every Democrat and both Independents. Since we are sitting at 0, and extremely unlikely to budge, the only reason for the house to impeach Trump is if they thought it would be good politics. I think it--both the theater and guaranteed acquittal-- would do more to boost Trump and motivate his base than to harm him and motivate Democrats.
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 30, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Conviction in the Senate would take 20 Republican senators voting with every Democrat and both Independents. Since we are sitting at 0, and extremely unlikely to budge, the only reason for the house to impeach Trump is if they thought it would be good politics. I think it--both the theater and guaranteed acquittal-- would do more to boost Trump and motivate his base than to harm him and motivate Democrats.
And the unfortunate truth is that you're right. There's no movement among the Repugs to put law above party, as there was in 1974 when the GOP leadership made it clear to Nixon that if he didn't jump, they'd push him.
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 30, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Conviction in the Senate would take 20 Republican senators voting with every Democrat and both Independents. Since we are sitting at 0, and extremely unlikely to budge, the only reason for the house to impeach Trump is if they thought it would be good politics. I think it--both the theater and guaranteed acquittal-- would do more to boost Trump and motivate his base than to harm him and motivate Democrats.
Starting impeachment hearings and dragging it out until the summer and THEN dumping it on the senate would force the republicunt senators to vote for him or against him and being the useless, spineless, shits that they are that will depend on how things are going. The Trumptard base does not need motivation. Hitler's SS stayed with him until the end and they are no different. What will the handful of GOP senators in swing states do? If they back the Shitgibbon the Dems have a chance to recapture the senate and throw Mitch the Bitch out on his ass.
Impeachment is not a legal issue. It is a political calculation. The Dems need to worry more about their base than his.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 30, 2019, 06:58:22 PM
But Sean Hannity says Trump's completely innocent! And FUX Gnus says Trump is completely innocent!
So Trump must be guilty as sin.
Oh noooooos, Fox News disagrees, we soy boys are all doooomed!
Atheists agree, Fox News is Satan! Why do you care what any of those losers think? I tolerate Tucker Carlson but other than him, I wouldn't give Fox News time of day.
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 30, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
Conviction in the Senate would take 20 Republican senators voting with every Democrat and both Independents. Since we are sitting at 0, and extremely unlikely to budge, the only reason for the house to impeach Trump is if they thought it would be good politics. I think it--both the theater and guaranteed acquittal-- would do more to boost Trump and motivate his base than to harm him and motivate Democrats.
Triangulating cowards! This triangulation shit is why Hillary lost. That and Wisconsin and ...
Quote from: trdsf on May 30, 2019, 10:02:02 PM
And the unfortunate truth is that you're right. There's no movement among the Repugs to put law above party, as there was in 1974 when the GOP leadership made it clear to Nixon that if he didn't jump, they'd push him.
Nixon did nothing wrong, In retrospect, had I advised him, I would have had Nixon declare a dictatorship and execute all the Dems in Congress ;-}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt8qCl5fPk
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 28, 2019, 01:40:45 PM
Hmmm, that's an odd question to be asking Baruch. Or did you mean it as a rhetorical question?
Well, almost any question to Baruch is rhetorical in the sense that he will never actually answer it directly but just try for a diverting joke.
And, just for the record, when I engage with him late at night sometimes, it's just because he is the only game in town and I am bored. I know I shouldn't.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 30, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
As did Hitler. Another remark that makes me nuts is 'At least he/she is sincere in their beliefs'--as tho sincerity lends credence to said beliefs. Hitler was very sincere in his beliefs--doesn't not change the fact that Hitler was pure evil.
I understand. Sincerity of belief has nothing to do with rationality of that belief. And I'll go further; If something is legitimately called a "belief", it probably ISN'T true or rational.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 12:02:37 AM
Well, almost any question to Baruch is rhetorical in the sense that he will never actually answer it directly but just try for a diverting joke.
And, just for the record, when I engage with him late at night sometimes, it's just because he is the only game in town and I am bored. I know I shouldn't.
So I ask you, what Nixon/Kissinger did to Chile, is that good enough for America? Would General Al Haig have made a good Pinochet?
Quote from: Baruch on May 31, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
So I ask you, what Nixon/Kissinger did to Chile, is that good enough for America? Would General Al Haig have made a good Pinochet?
OK. Let's say that Nixon's threat of impeachment had many causes and that under-handed actions in Chile were a small part of it. It was long past time that we stopped meddling in SA affairs. Manifest Destiny is rather idiotic on the face of it, but worse in existing nations by even European rules. Kissinger was a Cheney or maybe a Bolton but with some theory. Haig would have been thrilled with Trump.
Read this and laugh (unless you cry)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKW0fL-OqY
If the Republican senate acquits Trump and won't impeach him, then they'll show America and the world that they care nothing at all for the rule of law. The Democratic party should force them to do that.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 31, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
If the Republican senate acquits Trump and won't impeach him, then they'll show America and the world that they care nothing at all for the rule of law. The Democratic party should force them to do that.
Slight correction. The House "impeaches" and that is like an indictment. The Senate holds the actual trial and the Chief Justice presides over the actions.
Yes, and the senate can acquit him of impeachment charges.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 31, 2019, 02:42:23 PM
Yes, and the senate can acquit him of impeachment charges.
Here's a question for you. Does the Senate HAVE to act on a House impeachment decision? I bet turtle-boy would simply ignore it...
Speaking of whom, did you notice that McConnell said yesterday that he would push a SCOTUS nominee in an election year after expressing moral outrage at the idea when Obama offerred Merrick Garland?
McConnell is a piece of shit. But then, that is not news.
Once the House Resolution arrives there is no set process for what comes next.
The thing is, the resolution only arrives after the House Judiciary Committee ( or a special committee ) has held public hearings on the issue. Who knows what will come out of those hearings.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 02:52:17 PM
Here's a question for you. Does the Senate HAVE to act on a House impeachment decision? I bet turtle-boy would simply ignore it...
I don't know, but I wouldn't put it past the GOP senate to simply ignore it.
QuoteSpeaking of whom, did you notice that McConnell said yesterday that he would push a SCOTUS nominee in an election year after expressing moral outrage at the idea when Obama offerred Merrick Garland?
Indeed, I did see that. McConnel has no shame at all, he only cares about keeping his power.
So there are still a few decent republicans around..... sadly, they are out of power.
https://youtu.be/bwnMpneFR34 (https://youtu.be/bwnMpneFR34)
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 31, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
If the Republican senate acquits Trump and won't impeach him, then they'll show America and the world that they care nothing at all for the rule of law. The Democratic party should force them to do that.
The US has been evil, since 1776. Just ask King George III.
We should have lynched Bill Clinton, because the Democratic Senate failed in their duty, right?
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 02:52:17 PM
Here's a question for you. Does the Senate HAVE to act on a House impeachment decision? I bet turtle-boy would simply ignore it...
I don't know, but I don't think so. Article I Section 3 only says "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present." Which doesn't say anything about
having to take up the matter if offered by the House.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 02:52:17 PM
Speaking of whom, did you notice that McConnell said yesterday that he would push a SCOTUS nominee in an election year after expressing moral outrage at the idea when Obama offerred Merrick Garland?
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/57823592/im-shocked-shocked-i-tell-you.jpg)
Don't worry, when the US is a one party state … as all Ds or Rs want … the Senate will have to follow the orders of the House (and Emperor Xi).
Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.
Quote from: Baruch on June 01, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
Don't worry, when the US is a one party state … as all Ds or Rs want … the Senate will have to follow the orders of the House (and Emperor Xi).
What if Trump declared the Democratic party to be a terrorist organization, and outlawed them? What if he started rounding up Democratic office-holders and putting them in prison?
Wouldn't that be fun?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 01, 2019, 12:04:26 PM
Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.
I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?
Because if the House
doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 01, 2019, 12:04:26 PM
Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.
With all due respect, I don't think the limit on multiple indictment applies in this cross-jurisdiction case. He couldn't be charged in criminal court, for the same crime, twice. The Senate isn't a criminal court. And civil courts have their own rules. Often a failure in criminal court results in a damage claim for the same, in civil court.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 01, 2019, 01:17:01 PM
What if Trump declared the Democratic party to be a terrorist organization, and outlawed them? What if he started rounding up Democratic office-holders and putting them in prison?
Wouldn't that be fun?
They are. Shouldn't have been relegalized in 1865 by that Southern bastard, President Andrew Johnson.
If there is a dictatorship, then you have a point. If it is military, both D and R will go to the gallows. I see no reason to keep D or R in prison very long. Depends on how many they can hang per day.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 01, 2019, 01:24:03 PM
I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?
Because if the House doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.
If they don't impeach, until after he wins in 2020 …. then y'all need to admit you are bottoms, not tops.
Quote from: Cavebear on May 31, 2019, 01:54:15 PM
OK. Let's say that Nixon's threat of impeachment had many causes and that under-handed actions in Chile were a small part of it. It was long past time that we stopped meddling in SA affairs. Manifest Destiny is rather idiotic on the face of it, but worse in existing nations by even European rules. Kissinger was a Cheney or maybe a Bolton but with some theory. Haig would have been thrilled with Trump.
Read this and laugh (unless you cry)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKW0fL-OqY
Ugh, I remember that. The idea of Al Haig being in charge in the White House was even worse than the idea of an assassination attempt.
The other particular memory I have of that day is the live coverage, whichever news we were watching was talking to an eyewitness, who was describing something other than what the already-official story was â€" I don't even remember anymore what his version was, but it wasn't the same as everyone else's.
All of a sudden a guy in a dark suit, sunglasses, and a wire coming out of his ear came up, took the guy by the arm, and hustled him off. It was the sort of thing that almost makes you want to take conspiracy theories seriously.
Discredit democracy … get Al Haig.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 01, 2019, 01:24:03 PM
I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?
Because if the House doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.
The House can bring the charges but it's the Senate that has the authority to impeach. So even if Pelosi decides to go along with the charges, which I don't think she will, once the Senate takes over, it's no longer into the Dems hands. So from the POV of strategy, the Dems are fools if they proceed along a course that will yield no results on the legal front, and questionable on the political front. Their best bet is to beat Trump in the election. And they need a nominee who is not tied up with the far left socialists. Policies have to take a backseat ride in the coming election, and the focus should be on winning the election. Are the Dems smart enough to do that? Hmmm...
Joe, you missed earlier posts. I long for the era of Roman Republicans ... that is the way to go. Until all the politicians are ... dead at Philippi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0UYvn7J_jY
Et tu, Brute?
You may yet get God-Emperor Augustus.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 01, 2019, 12:04:26 PM
Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.
No. A congressional impeachment action is NOT a jurisdictional legal process. Civil actions can occur later whether or not there is an impeachment and success or failure of the Senate to convict. There are statutory limits to bringing legal cases though. If Trump wins a 2nd term, it means he escapes most crimes he could be convicted of before 2016.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 04, 2019, 04:24:38 AM
No. A congressional impeachment action is NOT a jurisdictional legal process. Civil actions can occur later whether or not there is an impeachment and success or failure of the Senate to convict. There are statutory limits to bringing legal cases though. If Trump wins a 2nd term, it means he escapes most crimes he could be convicted of before 2016.
I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the senate exonerates him of whatever charges the House has tabled against him, he is free of those charges. Of course any other charges not part of the impeachment proceedings can still be levied against him. It would be weird if the senate says he's not guilty of charges A,B,C and then a jurisdictional court finds him guilty on the same charges!?!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 04, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the senate exonerates him of whatever charges the House has tabled against him, he is free of those charges. Of course any other charges not part of the impeachment proceedings can still be levied against him. It would be weird if the senate says he's not guilty of charges A,B,C and then a jurisdictional court finds him guilty on the same charges!?!
American jurisprudence is a patchwork on levels and geographic jurisdictions. Most complex mess on the planet. In Code Napoleon, this is one law, applies to all of France, because Napoleon said so. Code Napoleon still applies, partly, in the state of Louisiana
"Steele Cuts Deal; Will Discuss Trump Sex Dossier With DOJ Inspector General" ... When did you meet with Hillary Clinton or her representatives? Did you get all your info from corrupt Ukrainian spies (former KGB) who were under pressure from Joe Biden? When did PM Cameron and PM May know of this attempt to coup Mr Trump? Did they start it? Where the Skrypals involved?
When Trump tries to make "America first" he may end up making America last:
Mark 10:31
"But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."
America may end up the last country in the world that anyone wants to do business with, or make any treaties with. If that happens, will America last?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 04, 2019, 06:48:58 PM
When Trump tries to make "America first" he may end up making America last:
Mark 10:31
"But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."
America may end up the last country in the world that anyone wants to do business with, or make any treaties with. If that happens, will America last?
Anti-Americans want what they want. The Left is always suicidal.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 04, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the senate exonerates him of whatever charges the House has tabled against him, he is free of those charges. Of course any other charges not part of the impeachment proceedings can still be levied against him. It would be weird if the senate says he's not guilty of charges A,B,C and then a jurisdictional court finds him guilty on the same charges!?!
Well-reasoned. And I had to sit here and think about it for a while. House impeachment and Senate conviction (which has never occurred) ties even constitutional lawyers in knots. As best I can understand it, there are 2 events going on. One, the House could impeach (or not) and the Senate convict (or not).
Second, at the same time, some courts (State or Federal) could bring charges against Trump regardless of House and Senate actions or inactions within the statutes of limitations for some crimes. And I've seen some arguments that both could occur at the same time. It is altogether maddening.
Almost any combination is possible. NY State might, for example, try Trump for violations of State tax laws while the Congress decides about impeachment proceeding. Sometimes I just listen to the legal experts on political talk shows discuss the possibilities with amazement. Sometimes, they say things that seem nonsensical and sometimes they make arguments that impress me.
I await more information about the possibilities.
But mostly, I think Trump is an utterly corrupt person who SHOULD be impeached and convicted without expecting that will happen. But that is just a personal opinion. One thing I AM sure of is that "we are living in interesting times"!
There are as many possibilities from criminal or civil charges, as there are jurisdictions in the US. But that shouldn't make anyone happy.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 06, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
Well-reasoned. And I had to sit here and think about it for a while. House impeachment and Senate conviction (which has never occurred) ties even constitutional lawyers in knots. As best I can understand it, there are 2 events going on. One, the House could impeach (or not) and the Senate convict (or not).
Second, at the same time, some courts (State or Federal) could bring charges against Trump regardless of House and Senate actions or inactions within the statutes of limitations for some crimes. And I've seen some arguments that both could occur at the same time. It is altogether maddening.
Almost any combination is possible. NY State might, for example, try Trump for violations of State tax laws while the Congress decides about impeachment proceeding. Sometimes I just listen to the legal experts on political talk shows discuss the possibilities with amazement. Sometimes, they say things that seem nonsensical and sometimes they make arguments that impress me.
I await more information about the possibilities.
But mostly, I think Trump is an utterly corrupt person who SHOULD be impeached and convicted without expecting that will happen. But that is just a personal opinion. One thing I AM sure of is that "we are living in interesting times"!
I would add to that "interesting and dangerous times". Back in the 90's there was a lot of talk that the 21st century would be China's century. I did not think it would happen in my lifetimes. But it's happening right now. Within a decade China will be the master of this planet. And Trump has been instrumental in making America worse. He ran his organization like a mafia boss, and he's doing the same in the WH. The GOP has become a cult, with Trump as a monarch. And the Dems are falling all over themselves. Nothing good can come out of this. And I'm too old to learn mandarin...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 06, 2019, 08:34:06 AM
I would add to that "interesting and dangerous times". Back in the 90's there was a lot of talk that the 21st century would be China's century. I did not think it would happen in my lifetimes. But it's happening right now. Within a decade China will be the master of this planet. And Trump has been instrumental in making America worse. He ran his organization like a mafia boss, and he's doing the same in the WH. The GOP has become a cult, with Trump as a monarch. And the Dems are falling all over themselves. Nothing good can come out of this. And I'm too old to learn mandarin...
It may not be as bad as you fear. In past decades, world opinion has been that Germany, Japan, and even SE Asia would become the "New Economic Power". Each has slipped down for basic economic reasons. And there are understandable reasons.
First, there is an underlying tech/education/capital structure in the US. That is hard to overcome easily. Second, the US has an abundance of natural resources. And third (and this may be personal and parochial), but the US has a "do or die, try of fail" attitude within a basic system of laws that encourages start-up businesses while also watching over them to reduce monopolies.
Such things come and go of course, but I think we have reached the limits of tolerance to many of the biggest companies and I suspect there will be some legally-enforced break-ups coming. Google and Facebook are starting to feel pressure (with help from Europe) and some changes are probably coming.
Looking at our history, I think we tend to let businesses with great ideas expand to the point where they have to be restrained. Europe does that a bit faster than the US does and I'm not sure which is the better way. But the US does usually rein in the businesses that can't control themselves, eventually.
And surely, as history teaches us, The US will one day not be the economic and military superpower it is today. Nothing lasts forever. Ask the Romans and the Brits...
But I don't think that time is this coming decade. When things change, it will seem obvious in hindsight but we don't have that historical view right now.
I sometimes think the cruelest thing in human life is to know there is a future and not knowing what it is. We are the only animal here that truly understands the concept of "future", It's like reading a good book and discovering the last pages are not only missing but not yet existing. And you don't even know how many chapters there might be.
Que Sera, Sera...
Quote from: Cavebear on June 06, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
It may not be as bad as you fear. In past decades, world opinion has been that Germany, Japan, and even SE Asia would become the "New Economic Power". Each has slipped down for basic economic reasons. And there are understandable reasons.
First, there is an underlying tech/education/capital structure in the US. That is hard to overcome easily. Second, the US has an abundance of natural resources. And third (and this may be personal and parochial), but the US has a "do or die, try of fail" attitude within a basic system of laws that encourages start-up businesses while also watching over them to reduce monopolies.
Such things come and go of course, but I think we have reached the limits of tolerance to many of the biggest companies and I suspect there will be some legally-enforced break-ups coming. Google and Facebook are starting to feel pressure (with help from Europe) and some changes are probably coming.
Looking at our history, I think we tend to let businesses with great ideas expand to the point where they have to be restrained. Europe does that a bit faster than the US does and I'm not sure which is the better way. But the US does usually rein in the businesses that can't control themselves, eventually.
And surely, as history teaches us, The US will one day not be the economic and military superpower it is today. Nothing lasts forever. Ask the Romans and the Brits...
But I don't think that time is this coming decade. When things change, it will seem obvious in hindsight but we don't have that historical view right now.
I sometimes think the cruelest thing in human life is to know there is a future and not knowing what it is. We are the only animal here that truly understands the concept of "future", It's like reading a good book and discovering the last pages are not only missing but not yet existing. And you don't even know how many chapters there might be.
Que Sera, Sera...
I wish I could share your optimism, and I'm glad there are still people like you who have those hopes. But to me, it all boils down to leadership. And I'm not reassured with what I see. It's true that in trying times, there has always been someone to rise above the fray and trace a clear path for the rest of humanity to follow. Not sure this time around Mr. Mysterious Hero will save the day. The forces that have been building up since the 1980's are awesome, and the tidal wave coming our way is incontrovertible.
Relative power, not absolute power. US relative power was less by 1965 than in 1945. Soviet power is less in 2005 vs 1985. Perhaps in 1970, Soviet power was relatively greater than the US (because of Vietnam, and Afghanistan hadn't happened yet).
China is king as of 2 years ago. They may yet grow relatively. But as a one party authoritarian state, that isn't a good thing for the world. Hence the need for a trade war to curb their ambitions, without really hurting them.
Trump administration halts life-saving medical research (https://www.apnews.com/39680703a5eb4caf90d55ca75af64e50)
Pro-life? ¯\_(:-/)_/¯
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 06, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
Trump administration halts life-saving medical research (https://www.apnews.com/39680703a5eb4caf90d55ca75af64e50)
Pro-life? ¯\_(:-/)_/¯
Crony capitalism. It is all about the money. Trump isn't ideological ... not a college student ;-)
QuoteLiberal journalist, Jon Hotchkiss, went undercover to numerous Trump Rallies and now he reveals 10 things he documented that Donald Trump wants to keep secret from liberal voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuU72FB-0fE
If they are known, they aren't secret. Will Democrats use their secret decoder ring from the Kracker-Jacks box?
One decoder ring to rule them all! :-P
Trump blasts moon mission after supporting it. (https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1T82L1)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 07, 2019, 09:02:02 PM
Trump blasts moon mission after supporting it. (https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1T82L1)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
It is like he has a drinking problem.
Quote from: Baruch on June 07, 2019, 09:57:01 PM
It is like he has a drinking problem.
Or a thinking problem.
And thanks to his position, his problems are now our problems.
Trump admin refuses to fly rainbow flag (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236)
Remember that one time when Trump briefly held a rainbow flag and people assumed he was lgbt-friendly despite picking Mike "the shocker" Pence as his running mate and his party's undying opposition to gay rights?
Good times.
Btw, Obama flew the flag with no problem. Always slouching in his shadow, that guy. I guess Trump will have to be content with that, because that's all he'll ever be.
(https://i.imgur.com/4yZuNTp.png)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 08, 2019, 07:05:02 AM
Or a thinking problem.
And thanks to his position, his problems are now our problems.
Lay down with politicians, get up with corruption.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 08, 2019, 07:13:19 AM
Trump admin refuses to fly rainbow flag (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236)
Remember that one time when Trump briefly held a rainbow flag and people assumed he was lgbt-friendly despite picking Mike "the shocker" Pence as his running mate and his party's undying opposition to gay rights?
Good times.
Btw, Obama flew the flag with no problem. Always slouching in his shadow, that guy. I guess Trump will have to be content with that, because that's all he'll ever be.
If you wanted a virtue signaling Democrat, then make a better effort next time.
I would rather have an honest villain than a fake do-gooder.
I think Trump was a different guy 10 years ago. Wasn't surrounded by neo-cons.
Quote from: Baruch on June 07, 2019, 09:57:01 PM
It is like he has a drinking problem.
But he claims to have never had a drink in his life. I wonder what his drug of choice is - maybe looking in mirrors?
Quote from: Baruch on June 08, 2019, 11:05:01 AM
If you wanted a virtue signaling Democrat, then make a better effort next time.
I would rather have an honest villain than a fake do-gooder.
I think Trump was a different guy 10 years ago. Wasn't surrounded by neo-cons.
You consider Trump to be an "honest villain"? The guy who's told over 10,000 lies since he's been in office?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28dab6195fee
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 08, 2019, 01:32:37 PM
But he claims to have never had a drink in his life. I wonder what his drug of choice is - maybe looking in mirrors?
I can't believe that. Unicorns and leprechauns are more reasonable. On the other hand, Hitler didn't drink, but needed to.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 08, 2019, 01:36:43 PM
You consider Trump to be an "honest villain"? The guy who's told over 10,000 lies since he's been in office?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/29/president-trump-has-made-more-than-false-or-misleading-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.28dab6195fee
Projection. And from a follower of St Hillary at that!
Quote from: Baruch on June 08, 2019, 05:17:06 PM
I can't believe that.
Of course you can't believe it - his lips were moving when he said it.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 08, 2019, 07:45:58 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4yZuNTp.png)
Well, now we know there is such a thing as a vertebrate with no backbone.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 06, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
I wish I could share your optimism, and I'm glad there are still people like you who have those hopes. But to me, it all boils down to leadership. And I'm not reassured with what I see. It's true that in trying times, there has always been someone to rise above the fray and trace a clear path for the rest of humanity to follow. Not sure this time around Mr. Mysterious Hero will save the day. The forces that have been building up since the 1980's are awesome, and the tidal wave coming our way is incontrovertible.
I understand. But keep in mind that Washington and Lincoln were reviled in their day and few expected Lincoln to win a 2nd term. We see too well in hindsight. Both Roosevelts, Kennedy and Obama were considered lightweights at the start yet they are valued more as time passes.
But pretty much anyone who follows Trump will have an easier time. All that person has to do is reconstruct the damage Trump has caused domestically and internationally and the world will "forgive" and move forward. Most nations understand a "national hiccup".
That doesn't mean it always happens that presidents rise to their jobs. Donald Trump will probably be at the bottom of the presidential list for a century. Polk, Franklin and Pierce will finally be relieved of that sad status.
Historical appreciation like art appreciation, only happens after you die in the garret.
There are many people who still hate Lincoln, Wilson, FDR etc.
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2019, 02:02:49 PM
Historical appreciation like art appreciation, only happens after you die in the garret.
There are many people who still hate Lincoln, Wilson, FDR etc.
And there aren't many of them left now from those years. The children of the parents move on.
There are also many people who wish the Confederacy had not lost The Civil War or that "those rebel ingrates" had not won The Revolutionary War, either. But I sure like Lincoln and Washington a lot...
Quote from: Cavebear on June 09, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
And there aren't many of them left now from those years. The children of the parents move on.
There are also many people who wish the Confederacy had not lost The Civil War or that "those rebel ingrates" had not won The Revolutionary War, either. But I sure like Lincoln and Washington a lot...
I don't know where they come from. Yes, people from 1850 are dead. But there is an endless supply of angry stupid people. That or people from other political eras keep falling thru wormholes into ours.
I have been trolling that King George III did nothing wrong. But it is just trolling. Having the Natives tomahawk all the Europeans is a better idea.
Quote from: Baruch on June 10, 2019, 08:30:53 AM
I don't know where they come from. Yes, people from 1850 are dead. But there is an endless supply of angry stupid people. That or people from other political eras keep falling thru wormholes into ours.
I have been trolling that King George III did nothing wrong. But it is just trolling. Having the Natives tomahawk all the Europeans is a better idea.
If the American Natives had just killed everyone who came on their shores, it would be a very different world.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 11, 2019, 01:56:39 AM
If the American Natives had just killed everyone who came on their shores, it would be a very different world.
They were divided. And didn't have the means. And succumbed to fierce diseases. Not saying Natives are better or worse people. They were killing each other quite well before Europeans showed up. I don't think an Aztec Wakanda was inevitable.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 09, 2019, 11:48:28 AM
I understand. But keep in mind that Washington and Lincoln were reviled in their day and few expected Lincoln to win a 2nd term. We see too well in hindsight. Both Roosevelts, Kennedy and Obama were considered lightweights at the start yet they are valued more as time passes.
But pretty much anyone who follows Trump will have an easier time. All that person has to do is reconstruct the damage Trump has caused domestically and internationally and the world will "forgive" and move forward. Most nations understand a "national hiccup".
That doesn't mean it always happens that presidents rise to their jobs. Donald Trump will probably be at the bottom of the presidential list for a century. Polk, Franklin and Pierce will finally be relieved of that sad status.
Hmmm, yeah right but the Dems have Joe Biden. Perhaps he's the best they've got to beat Trump, but a lot of people will be pinching their nose at the ballot box. Also, I'm not sure if the damage is reparable, especially on the international front - the thinking being if the USA can vote for an obnoxious Donald Trump, it can also vote for someone worse in the future. Once you lose trust, it's hard to get it back.
Quote from: Baruch on June 11, 2019, 04:27:54 AM
They were divided. And didn't have the means. And succumbed to fierce diseases. Not saying Natives are better or worse people. They were killing each other quite well before Europeans showed up. I don't think an Aztec Wakanda was inevitable.
Oh, they had the means. They just didn't understand what to make of the strangers landing on their shores. They didn't understand about "Europe" and the number of people and the tech. And neither side quite understood the diseases. The Native Americans COULD have wiped out any European colony at the start.
Quote--Bobby Azarian, cognitive neuroscientist and blogger for Psychology Today, joins David to discuss how Donald trump continues to hold on to his base's support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65RH5rjNWdc
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 11, 2019, 06:51:48 AM
Hmmm, yeah right but the Dems have Joe Biden. Perhaps he's the best they've got to beat Trump, but a lot of people will be pinching their nose at the ballot box. Also, I'm not sure if the damage is reparable, especially on the international front - the thinking being if the USA can vote for an obnoxious Donald Trump, it can also vote for someone worse in the future. Once you lose trust, it's hard to get it back.
I'm inclined to agree. There's no reason for the international community to think we've gotten better until the GOP admits to their errors and American elections aren't viewed with dread.
Trump to reopen Japanese internment camp - this time for a migrant children (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/12/trump-administration-house-migrant-kids-former-japanese-internment-camp/1430394001/)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 12, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Trump to reopen Japanese internment camp - this time for a migrant children (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/12/trump-administration-house-migrant-kids-former-japanese-internment-camp/1430394001/)
I really, really hate to defend him, but...
Obama had to reopen it too as a camp for migrants, so this isn't just a Trump is a shitty human being thing.
Still a shitty look when we have to use a camp that previously was an internment camp + German P.o.W. camp though, and in very large part because of his policy.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 12, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
I really, really hate to defend him, but...
Obama had to reopen it too as a camp for migrants, so this isn't just a Trump is a shitty human being thing.
I figured that would come up. And of course, and it was a shitty thing when Obama did it and it's still a shitty thing when Trump does it. In fact, it's probably worse since we increasingly have the benefit of hindsight to know just how wrong that was.
As far as defenses go, "someone else did it, too" is a pretty weak defense. I definitely don't see that holding up in court. Besides, the big takeaway from WWII (and the USA's perennial immigrant otherism) is to not do it again.
Quote from: trdsf on June 12, 2019, 07:29:44 PM
I'm inclined to agree. There's no reason for the international community to think we've gotten better until the GOP admits to their errors and American elections aren't viewed with dread.
We will all join the socialist International in happy Venezuela?
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 12, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Trump to reopen Japanese internment camp - this time for a migrant children (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/12/trump-administration-house-migrant-kids-former-japanese-internment-camp/1430394001/)
Not a moment too soon. Please join in the human trafficking, your pedopilia pusher demands it.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 12, 2019, 09:26:06 PM
I figured that would come up. And of course, and it was a shitty thing when Obama did it and it's still a shitty thing when Trump does it. In fact, it's probably worse since we increasingly have the benefit of hindsight to know just how wrong that was.
As far as defenses go, "someone else did it, too" is a pretty weak defense. I definitely don't see that holding up in court. Besides, the big takeaway from WWII (and the USA's perennial immigrant otherism) is to not do it again.
Heresy! God-Emperor Obama is never to be doubted. Just like God-Emperor Trump ;-)
Y'all not only would support Ho Chi Minh in 1965, you would have supported Tojo on 1941. Anything as long as it is anti-American.
Trump looks to foreign allies (поÑобник) for help in next election (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/id-exclusive-interview-trump-listen-foreigners-offered-dirt/story?id=63669304&__twitter_impression=true)
Good thing that Congress is doing its job and shoring up elections against foreign interference. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/12/grim-reaper-mitch-mcconnell-buries-plans-election-security-editorials-debates/1423838001/)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 13, 2019, 12:28:12 AM
Trump looks to foreign allies (поÑобник) for help in next election (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/id-exclusive-interview-trump-listen-foreigners-offered-dirt/story?id=63669304&__twitter_impression=true)
Good thing that Congress is doing its job and shoring up elections against foreign interference. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/12/grim-reaper-mitch-mcconnell-buries-plans-election-security-editorials-debates/1423838001/)
I agree that foreign interference shouldn't be allowed. But first we have to de-citizen the Democrats. They are enemy aliens. Once that is recognized, they can be deported to Venezuela or Zimbabwe (heavy sarc).
Do any of you Dems recognize that you are running dogs of Emperor Xi of China? And probably going back to President Carter, not even Al Gore?
It used to be, having foreign allies was cool. GB or even France. But since GB was involved in a coup against the current US President, they aren't so cool. And with France, they have been moldy cheese for a long time now ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 13, 2019, 12:28:12 AM
Trump looks to foreign allies (поÑобник) for help in next election (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/id-exclusive-interview-trump-listen-foreigners-offered-dirt/story?id=63669304&__twitter_impression=true)
Good thing that Congress is doing its job and shoring up elections against foreign interference. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/06/12/grim-reaper-mitch-mcconnell-buries-plans-election-security-editorials-debates/1423838001/)
Republicans care about winning elections, they don't care how they do it.
I'm hearing now that Trump did an interview in which he says there's nothing at all wrong with getting help or info from foreign sources. Nixon said that when a president does it, that means it is not illegal. I suspect Trump believes that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bciyOsx4a4
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 13, 2019, 01:31:55 PM
Republicans care about winning elections, they don't care how they do it.
That is adult. Children do Civics 101.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 13, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bciyOsx4a4
This means that Obama, Bill, Joe and Hillary are all safe from using foreign powers in the 2016 election. If the Ds can do it, the Rs can do it too. It would be too hypocritical even for politicians to say that X can do what Y cannot.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 13, 2019, 01:31:55 PM
Republicans care about winning elections, they don't care how they do it.
The awful thing is how they've fooled the American people with their "We're the party of family values" or their "We're the party of fiscal responsibility", and so on, while all the times they're really "We're the party of power at all cost". Sad to say but it took a Donald Trump to force the Republicans to show their true colors.
Yeah, "the party of law and order" - riiight.
Trump says that being willing to collude (presumably with Putin) is okay because he meets a lot of foreign dignitaries as prez.
Dignitaries like the Prince of Whales (sic)
Remember back when Quayle was lampooned over "potatoe", way back when being viewed as kinda dumb was politically damaging?
I remember in 2000 when Al Gore was taking campaign money from China. Hillary didn't even bother to label it, she has her Foundation of Evil.
QuoteDid Kavanaugh Saved Trump and Doomed Democracy?
Brett Kavanaugh, Donald Trump's most controversial Supreme Court pick, voted to allow foreign agents to interfere with United States elections by interpreting the law in a way that would let foreign nationals get away with electioneering!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldrBTZE1Qb4
Now we know why the GOP was so avid to get Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS.
Because the SCOTUS is going to remove your SCROTUS ;-)
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Quote from: Hydra009 on June 14, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
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Not up to the US. Up to Israel, and the Rothschilds. American voters ... not so much. People need to realize that the politicians aren't working for you.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 14, 2019, 09:15:30 PM
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I've been thinking about that since the strait of Hormuz has become a hot spot. In 2004, the motto to re-elect Bush was, "do not change horse in wartime." Trump might very well be tempted to go to war if he reasons that it will up his chances for re-election in spite that he might contradict himself, which he has done countless times before.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 13, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
The awful thing is how they've fooled the American people with their "We're the party of family values" or their "We're the party of fiscal responsibility", and so on, while all the times they're really "We're the party of power at all cost". Sad to say but it took a Donald Trump to force the Republicans to show their true colors.
I think the thing that annoys me most is that the Republicans, who used to be a party I admired (and supported once) for honesty and social values, as so much the antithesis of that now. And, quite frankly, Trump isn't the cause; he is the result.
If the Republicans, as created by Newt Gingrich et al in the 90s, hadn't been so basically whacko partisan, there wouldn't be a "Trump" today. For every result, there is a preceding cause. If you don't like Trump, blame Newt.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 15, 2019, 05:02:29 AM
I think the thing that annoys me most is that the Republicans, who used to be a party I admired (and supported once) for honesty and social values, as so much the antithesis of that now. And, quite frankly, Trump isn't the cause; he is the result.
If the Republicans, as created by Newt Gingrich et al in the 90s, hadn't been so basically whacko partisan, there wouldn't be a "Trump" today. For every result, there is a preceding cause. If you don't like Trump, blame Newt.
Newt the Salamander ... never liked him, but he is smart ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZypwh83W8
Quote from: Baruch on June 15, 2019, 07:12:06 AM
Newt the Salamander ... never liked him, but he is smart ...
Smart doesn't always mean intelligent or working for the betterment of the nation. He was a blowhard then and remains one now when the media offers him a stage. He had a major part in the creation of the current partisan political strategies that are plaguing us today. I do not admire him.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 15, 2019, 07:46:33 AM
Smart doesn't always mean intelligent or working for the betterment of the nation. He was a blowhard then and remains one now when the media offers him a stage. He had a major part in the creation of the current partisan political strategies that are plaguing us today. I do not admire him.
He seemed like one of the more "corrupt" "Speakers of the House". And had delusions of Confederacy too.
Quote from: Baruch on June 15, 2019, 09:20:57 AM
He seemed like one of the more "corrupt" "Speakers of the House". And had delusions of Confederacy too.
I see we agree on this. Good for us both. Good point about the Confederacy, as that was where he thought the Republicans should (and did) go strictly for political means.
Am I out of touch? No, it's the polls who are wrong (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-updates-us-president-pollsters-iran-war-latest-2020-democrat-candidates-fox-news-a8961621.html)
Trump can't be out of touch, since he was never in touch to begin with.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 17, 2019, 02:15:02 PM
Trump can't be out of touch, since he was never in touch to begin with.
That is his advantage. He isn't a Dischordian ... he is discord itself ;-)
Polls are all lies, including the vote counting (see challenge to vote counting in Peterborough by-election).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lQZMr3tYs
All votes are BS, going back to ancient Athens.
Right, but for all the wrong reasons (https://www.thedailybeast.com/president-trump-calls-fox-news-fake-news-for-citing-unfavorable-poll-numbers)
Quote from: Cavebear on June 15, 2019, 05:02:29 AM
I think the thing that annoys me most is that the Republicans, who used to be a party I admired (and supported once) for honesty and social values, as so much the antithesis of that now. And, quite frankly, Trump isn't the cause; he is the result.
If the Republicans, as created by Newt Gingrich et al in the 90s, hadn't been so basically whacko partisan, there wouldn't be a "Trump" today. For every result, there is a preceding cause. If you don't like Trump, blame Newt.
Agree with you that Newt is highly to blame for ratcheting up the partisan rhetoric to extreme level. Heck, you can go back to Reagan for starting that ball rolling with his cozy relation with the Moral Majority. But the Dems have been no less innocent in particular during the Bush years. Both sides are guilty, and this has led to stagnation in Washington as the system was designed for compromise, and not partisanship as you will find in a parliamentary system. This brings us the next question: will or
can the next president after Trump reverse the tide and bring back this spirit of compromise? If not, I'm afraid that we will see worse years, not better.
Was having a conversation with my aunt about trump, she was talking about the new TV series before they see us, about the 5 young boys arrested and wrongly accused of rape by new York's corrupt police service, as at the time trump said they should all be killed.
I struck up how the thing with trump is, he is a grotesque, no question, he's a crappy human being, and all that is just played out to bare, he displays his grotesque nature for all the world to see, so you know exactly where you stand with trump.
Thing is, while trump's insidious nature is out there for all the world to see, with other politicians who hide their insidious nature behind false promises and sugary words, these kinds of political figures I feel more uncomfortable about then trump, because while trump is a pile of shit you can see and smell, some politicians are like a cancerous lump you can't see.
Quote from: Munch on June 18, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Was having a conversation with my aunt about trump, she was talking about the new TV series before they see us, about the 5 young boys arrested and wrongly accused of rape by new York's corrupt police service, as at the time trump said they should all be killed.
I struck up how the thing with trump is, he is a grotesque, no question, he's a crappy human being, and all that is just played out to bare, he displays his grotesque nature for all the world to see, so you know exactly where you stand with trump.
Thing is, while trump's insidious nature is out there for all the world to see, with other politicians who hide their insidious nature behind false promises and sugary words, these kinds of political figures I feel more uncomfortable about then trump, because while trump is a pile of shit you can see and smell, some politicians are like a cancerous lump you can't see.
There are two classes of opinions on that: one that you've just elaborated - that Trump is transparent in his insidious behavior, and kudos to him. The other is that Trump is normalizing this kind of behavior, and that's a greater danger. The next generation of politicians might want to outdo Trump, and so where's the limit? Until we get the next Hitler and a nuclear war??
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 18, 2019, 09:09:34 AM
Right, but for all the wrong reasons (https://www.thedailybeast.com/president-trump-calls-fox-news-fake-news-for-citing-unfavorable-poll-numbers)
FUX Gnus is so fake, like a hooker's orgasm. And Trump's motto is "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again." He needs to hire a poll dancer...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 18, 2019, 11:20:33 AM
This brings us the next question: will or can the next president after Trump reverse the tide and bring back this spirit of compromise? If not, I'm afraid that we will see worse years, not better.
I think it will take more than a president, even a very good one, to do that. America needs more than two parties, or it needs to not have any parties at all, like some of the founders wanted.
https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion
They were afraid parties would tear the nation apart, and that seems to be coming to pass.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 18, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
There are two classes of opinions on that: one that you've just elaborated - that Trump is transparent in his insidious behavior, and kudos to him. The other is that Trump is normalizing this kind of behavior, and that's a greater danger. The next generation of politicians might want to outdo Trump, and so where's the limit? Until we get the next Hitler and a nuclear war??
Thing is, as anyone looking back will find, trumps always been this way, its not like he wasn't a sleaze before he entered into office, he was a sleaze beforehand for many years. And maybe thats why he won, because admitting the truth about himself openly people thought they'd know just where he'd stand. The devil you know instead of the devil you don't.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 18, 2019, 02:02:21 PM
FUX Gnus is so fake, like a hooker's orgasm. And Trump's motto is "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again." He needs to hire a poll dancer...
CNN etc is such Pravda, for the Communists.
Quote from: Munch on June 18, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Was having a conversation with my aunt about trump, she was talking about the new TV series before they see us, about the 5 young boys arrested and wrongly accused of rape by new York's corrupt police service, as at the time trump said they should all be killed.
I struck up how the thing with trump is, he is a grotesque, no question, he's a crappy human being, and all that is just played out to bare, he displays his grotesque nature for all the world to see, so you know exactly where you stand with trump.
Thing is, while trump's insidious nature is out there for all the world to see, with other politicians who hide their insidious nature behind false promises and sugary words, these kinds of political figures I feel more uncomfortable about then trump, because while trump is a pile of shit you can see and smell, some politicians are like a cancerous lump you can't see.
Trump pisses on "The Prince" by Machiavelli. He is like Cesare Borgia ... don't talk, just stab your enemies when opportune ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXL8XHpjfGI
Modernity stems directly from Italian Mafia, circa 1450. This scene is pure EU ... capisce?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 18, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
I think it will take more than a president, even a very good one, to do that. America needs more than two parties, or it needs to not have any parties at all, like some of the founders wanted.
https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion
They were afraid parties would tear the nation apart, and that seems to be coming to pass.
The US wasn't of one opinion in 1783. The Founding Fathers were traitors, after all. Brexit remainers (Tories, 25%) had to flee to England/Canada and lose their property here. The idea of a uniform opinion, only comes about when the State is attacked (Pearl Harbor) ... yet just one day before, there was no unity at all.
So yes, we need nuclear war, and may only the Agenda 21 fans survive! Bilderbergers of the world, unite!
False Flags:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Architects_of_Fear
Unity is the enemy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street
Quote from: Munch on June 18, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
Thing is, as anyone looking back will find, trumps always been this way, its not like he was a sleaze before he entered into office, he was a sleaze beforehand for many years. And maybe thats why he won, because admitting the truth about himself openly people thought they'd know just where he'd stand. The devil you know instead of the devil you don't.
You Brits are such suckers for smooth talking Etonians. Churchill didn't go to Eton, he didn't even go to college, hence you nearly missed using him when it really mattered. It was the Etonians that pushed all the failed policies. Sandhurst however, did them one better.
QuoteThe US Military has been caught keeping information away from Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7XLaefIkfI
I think our country is broken, and there's no one who can fix it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 18, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7XLaefIkfI
I think our country is broken, and there's no one who can fix it.
There is a chain of command. And leaders don't need to know all the details. It is necessary for each person at each level to know what to do and how to do it.
On the other hand, there is plenty of Deep State conspiracy theory that says the US has been run by the Spooks since 1945. I accept that theory, that in the nuclear age, politics is too important to be left to civilians or to the public.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 18, 2019, 02:07:06 PM
I think it will take more than a president, even a very good one, to do that. America needs more than two parties, or it needs to not have any parties at all, like some of the founders wanted.
https://www.history.com/news/founding-fathers-political-parties-opinion
They were afraid parties would tear the nation apart, and that seems to be coming to pass.
Agree. Parties tend to go crazy batshit partisanship. And that the US avoided that for quite a long time might now be considered as a fluke. I still remember when there were conservative Dems and liberal GOP's. That no longer exists. And the US is moving along the lines that we see in Europe: extreme Left versus extreme Right. However the European regime (parliamentary) is designed for that so they can still function, more or less. The US doesn't have that structure as it is was designed for compromise. And so the most important issues - health care, education, infrastructure, immigration, to name a few - have lingered in limbo for the last three decades. After Trump, who knows what?!
Quote from: Munch on June 18, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
Thing is, as anyone looking back will find, trumps always been this way, its not like he wasn't a sleaze before he entered into office, he was a sleaze beforehand for many years. And maybe thats why he won, because admitting the truth about himself openly people thought they'd know just where he'd stand. The devil you know instead of the devil you don't.
It says a lot about the American people. It shouldn't surprise us that the US being more religious than any industrialized country has a large segment of the population that can readily suspend its rational thinking. . In that context, we can understand why the Evangelicals are rooting for Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 18, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7XLaefIkfI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7XLaefIkfI)
I think our country is broken, and there's no one who can fix it.
"Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time â€" when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness."
Carl Sagan, 1995
House finally votes to remove emergency powers granted to POTUS after 9/11 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2001-aumf-house-repeal_n_5d0aa028e4b0f7b7442b6c40)
Whew, just in the nick of time. Could you imagine waiting around for 18 years and have some slimeball waltz in who thinks war would be good for ratings and so he hires infamous warmonger John Bolton, who's just itching to launch us headlong into a war we don't want? Man, that'd be incredibly stupid of us.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 20, 2019, 08:55:47 AM
House finally votes to remove emergency powers granted to POTUS after 9/11 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2001-aumf-house-repeal_n_5d0aa028e4b0f7b7442b6c40)
Whew, just in the nick of time. Could you imagine waiting around for 18 years and have some slimeball waltz in who thinks war would be good for ratings and so he hires infamous warmonger John Bolton, who's just itching to launch us headlong into a war we don't want? Man, that'd be incredibly stupid of us.
This is because the drugged up Ds realize that they aren't winning in 2020. The "I am WH god" powers won't come back until we get another Obama-warmonger back in the WH.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 20, 2019, 08:55:47 AM
House finally votes to remove emergency powers granted to POTUS after 9/11 (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2001-aumf-house-repeal_n_5d0aa028e4b0f7b7442b6c40)
Whew, just in the nick of time. Could you imagine waiting around for 18 years and have some slimeball waltz in who thinks war would be good for ratings and so he hires infamous warmonger John Bolton, who's just itching to launch us headlong into a war we don't want? Man, that'd be incredibly stupid of us.
Too soon to cheer. Mitch McConnell won't entertain such a bill.
I was being sarcastic. I know Hitler's turtle will stonewall the bill.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 20, 2019, 11:33:12 AM
I was being sarcastic. I know Hitler's turtle will stonewall the bill.
Godwin's law
Do atheists believe in God[win]'s law?
:-P
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 20, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
Godwin's law
We're well past worrying about Godwin's law. (https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-camps-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-border-1444843)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 20, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
We're well past worrying about Godwin's law. (https://www.newsweek.com/concentration-camps-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-border-1444843)
Touché. However Godwin's law is about how internet debates devolve. OTOH, AOC is talking about REAL concentration camps.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 20, 2019, 01:45:46 PMAOC is talking about REAL concentration camps.
Exactly. It really puts a little light name-calling in perspective.
It's amazing how many nicknames people have come up with for Trump. I've come up with a few myself, but Kimmel and co. have been hard at work! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu3iQ1yk16s
The only thing I want to call Trump is "ex-president" - or maybe "Inmate # 47584393."
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 20, 2019, 11:33:12 AM
I was being sarcastic. I know Hitler's turtle will stonewall the bill.
Stonewall is dead (except for drag queens).
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 20, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
Godwin's law
We are all baby Hitler now, except for baby Stalins.
What would Trump Concentration Camp be like?
1. You all have to have sex with an opposite sex partner, to get out ... oops, gay people can't do that, but except for Bi-s, they can't perform.
2. They all have to set up a lemonade stand and sell lemonade. Communists can't do that without spontaneous combustion.
3. You have to wear a MAGA hat. But Democrat's heads would explode if they do that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwrswvqv8sY
wonder how much money it cost to make that thing. and how many orphans went hungry due to it.
Quote from: Munch on June 20, 2019, 07:24:44 PM
wonder how much money it cost to make that thing. and how many orphans went hungry due to it.
Leftists - no proletariat were harmed in the making of it, but running dogs of capitalism were made to pay.
Trump bored with Venezula (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bored-of-venezuela-as-maduro-clings-to-power-report-2019-6)
Trump ordered military strike on Iran, then changed his mind (https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/president-trump-ordered-military-strike-iran-reversed-sources/story%3fid=63853570)
Good to know that mood swings are the only thing keeping us from yet another ruinous middle eastern war. Really makes it easy to sleep at night.
Note that Pompeo and Bolton were staunchly for continuing as planned straight into war. Why they even still have their jobs is beyond me, and you have to wonder at the intelligence of whoever hired them in the first place.
Unfortunately, the mood may soon swing back the other direction.
Hate to say this, but Trump's decision is the wisest he's had so far. Can someone tell those Iranian idiots to stop playing with fire?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 21, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
Unfortunately, the mood may soon swing back the other direction.
Pacifist Democrats want war ... since first term of Obama. Hasn't changed. I can't call that Progressive. The D-party isn't Progressive friendly until their policy is pacifism. Otherwise they are left-handed Republicans.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 21, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
Hate to say this, but Trump's decision is the wisest he's had so far. Can someone tell those Iranian idiots to stop playing with fire?
Haha ... they have Putin and Xi saying ... nuke the Americans, we will back you.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 21, 2019, 07:38:28 AM
Trump bored with Venezula (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-bored-of-venezuela-as-maduro-clings-to-power-report-2019-6)
Trump ordered military strike on Iran, then changed his mind (https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/president-trump-ordered-military-strike-iran-reversed-sources/story%3fid=63853570)
Good to know that mood swings are the only thing keeping us from yet another ruinous middle eastern war. Really makes it easy to sleep at night.
Note that Pompeo and Bolton were staunchly for continuing as planned straight into war. Why they even still have their jobs is beyond me, and you have to wonder at the intelligence of whoever hired them in the first place.
Without Pompeo and Bolton, Trump gets a short trip to Dallas. Same status quo since 1964.
Bolton's policy in Venezuela is a failure. This is a good thing. The alternative Venezuela leader stole a lot of the aid money.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 21, 2019, 01:37:52 PM
Unfortunately, the mood may soon swing back the other direction.
He wants a meeting with the Ayatollah. It's reminiscent to his tactics with Kim Jong-un: First threats and insults then opening a door for a personal meeting.
Maybe he'll fall in love with the Ayatollah. They can have a menage a trois with KJU.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 21, 2019, 02:30:41 PM
Maybe he'll fall in love with the Ayatollah. They can have a menage a trois with KJU.
It could get crowded as he is slated to meet with Xi, next week...Ménage à quatre???
He could turn into a regular Caligula!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 21, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
Hate to say this, but Trump's decision is the wisest he's had so far.
Rumor has it that Putin told him to call it off. Sad that we can't put such speculation to rest, but that's what happens when you have suspiciously concealed meetings with that guy (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjN8NPRrPviAhWHm-AKHR51AOUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fworld%2Fnational-security%2Ftrump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration%2F2019%2F01%2F12%2F65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html&psig=AOvVaw1ScYyaFESrlD9W2mvIaf9V&ust=1561233095165889). When people can't trust you, they assume the worst.
Russia accuses US of pushing Iran situation to the brink of war (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-usa-russia-idUSKCN1TM0VP)
Really rich coming from someone who annexed part of someone else's country (Ukraine) and put boots on the ground in Syria and Venezuela, but they're right nonetheless.
I expect it's obvious to the whole world what is happening. All that oil in the ground under Iran belongs to us, and we must go kill the Iranians and take it.
Trump said that we're "cocked and loaded" - the title of a 2010 porn film.
I expect Bolton and Pompeo will continue to push for this war, so it may yet happen.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 21, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
Rumor has it that Putin told him to call it off. Sad that we can't put such speculation to rest, but that's what happens when you have suspiciously concealed meetings with that guy (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjN8NPRrPviAhWHm-AKHR51AOUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fworld%2Fnational-security%2Ftrump-has-concealed-details-of-his-face-to-face-encounters-with-putin-from-senior-officials-in-administration%2F2019%2F01%2F12%2F65f6686c-1434-11e9-b6ad-9cfd62dbb0a8_story.html&psig=AOvVaw1ScYyaFESrlD9W2mvIaf9V&ust=1561233095165889). When people can't trust you, they assume the worst.
All head-of-state meetings are usually held in the public mens-room, the kind with multiple urinals, which bladder challenged reporters record everything.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 21, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
He wants a meeting with the Ayatollah. It's reminiscent to his tactics with Kim Jong-un: First threats and insults then opening a door for a personal meeting.
The chief Ayatollah is like a Pope of Shia Islam. Much higher than NorK dictators. You don't call them, they call you.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 21, 2019, 07:02:49 PM
I expect it's obvious to the whole world what is happening. All that oil in the ground under Iran belongs to us, and we must go kill the Iranians and take it.
That happened in Iraq? No, China got thet oil. Same as the minerals in Afghanistan. Keep up with the shell game or lose track of the pea.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 21, 2019, 07:14:33 PM
Trump said that we're "cocked and loaded" - the title of a 2010 porn film.
I expect Bolton and Pompeo will continue to push for this war, so it may yet happen.
The original expression is: "lock and load". Anyone of my age knows this from a famous John Wayne movie... indeed, I'm that old...
Maybe someone showed Trump a video of McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran..." and he decided that if McCain liked the idea, he wouldn't do it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 22, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
Maybe someone showed Trump a video of McCain singing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran..." and he decided that if McCain liked the idea, he wouldn't do it.
I would rather go with Vlad giving him a call. Now a lot people believe that Vlad has something on the Don. But it's mutual:
Trump: Don't worry your money (billions) is safe with me.
Vlad: Don't worry this secret is safe with me.
Trump: BTW, I was bluffing on Iran.
Vlad: I know. I gave my generals a double Vodka.
Trump: I don't drink.
Vlad: Tell me something I don't know.
Trump: ...
This went on for nearly 20 minutes of the three judges trying to get her to acknowledge that things like toothbrushes and toothpaste, soap and blankets would be considered "safe and sanitary" requirements in a detention centre that holds people for days and weeks... and not once does she concede those might be sanitary things to have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzZ3jBQEQw
No accounting for government bureaucracy. Seems pretty whacked to me also. But in a police state, where everyone including you and I are prisoners ... eat your gruel and shut the f**k up.
Welcome to planet Auschwitz. Don't bother asking for whom the Nazis/Commies toll, they toll for you ;-(
And people wonder why I am pessimistic. Because lawyers can justify anything, including lawyers in Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russia.
"Freedom gas" (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/05/30/trump-administration-rebrands-carbon-dioxide-as-molecules-of-u-s-freedom/amp/)
I must've missed this when the story broke or dismissed it as a satirical article. I mean the Trump admin is pretty bad, but they're not cartoonishly evil, right?
That's what I call my farts - "freedom gas."
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 24, 2019, 02:22:38 PM
"Freedom gas" (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/05/30/trump-administration-rebrands-carbon-dioxide-as-molecules-of-u-s-freedom/amp/)
I must've missed this when the story broke or dismissed it as a satirical article. I mean the Trump admin is pretty bad, but they're not cartoonishly evil, right?
Cartoonishly evil... In the words of Steve Bannon, Trump runs a criminal enterprise. That was even before he entered politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/28/bannon-trump-organization-criminal-enterprise-comments-michael-wolff-book
Tell it to JFK's father, Joe Sr.
If you thought "dotard" was bad... (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-iran-news-crisis-rouhani-tensions-middle-east-latest-a8973326.html)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 25, 2019, 09:11:47 AM
If you thought "dotard" was bad... (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/trump-iran-news-crisis-rouhani-tensions-middle-east-latest-a8973326.html)
Is that you, Supreme Ayatollah?
The shenanigans have begun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgCJea8Y8FY
A misinformed electorate will be voting again for president, and who knows what will happen?
Being a pessimist, I expect Trump to get another 4 years to continue his attack on America.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 25, 2019, 04:21:17 PM
The shenanigans have begun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgCJea8Y8FY
A misinformed electorate will be voting again for president, and who knows what will happen?
Being a pessimist, I expect Trump to get another 4 years to continue his attack on America.
Voters are always misinformed. Death to Athens! This is Sparta!
We had a pedophilia discussion here a couple years ago. It was agreed that it is wrong. The D's will do better nominating a Bronie, not a hair sniffly, girl touching candidate.
My prediction: Trump will order an attack before or around July 17th.
Reason
[spoiler]On that date, Mueller is scheduled to testify in front of Congress in an open session. A war will be a perfect distraction.[/spoiler]
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 25, 2019, 09:15:26 PM
My prediction: Trump will order an attack before or around July 17th.
Reason
[spoiler]On that date, Mueller is scheduled to testify in front of Congress in an open session. A war will be a perfect distraction.[/spoiler]
So you are a prophet then? Or a soothsayer? ;-) See prophecy of Pepe, priest of Kek, added below.
Nuclear annihilation can't come soon enough. This planet isn't big enough for me, and even one more psychopath -))
I expect Uncle Scam to declare martial law at some point before he leaves office. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 01:55:37 PM
I expect Uncle Scam to declare martial law at some point before he leaves office. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.
I've feared that for awhile, too. And I too, hope you are wrong.
Maybe a president can't do that without consent of the congress. But then, we're not supposed to go to war, either, without the consent of congress, as a declaration of war. But the executive branch has gotten around that obstacle, so who knows what they might do.
Jeez, I just saw that Uncle Scam claims he doesn't need any exit strategy if America goes to war against Iran! Sounds like the deja vu all over again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-i2yq8Nuxg
Trump has become the soap Nazi - "No soap for you!"
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 01:55:37 PM
I expect Uncle Scam to declare martial law at some point before he leaves office. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.
No need. Sheep know when they need to the sheared. They are domesticated animals, not wild.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 03:02:14 PM
Maybe a president can't do that without consent of the congress. But then, we're not supposed to go to war, either, without the consent of congress, as a declaration of war. But the executive branch has gotten around that obstacle, so who knows what they might do.
Correct. Congress loves plausible deniability, it helps them get re-elected. The US was not supposed to be an "executive" state but a "legislative" state. But that died in 1861. Again in 1917 and 1941. Pretty much since 1941, the US is a democratic warmongering dictatorship.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Trump has become the soap Nazi - "No soap for you!"
Better than the green Nazi - "No gasoline for you!"
Apparently the Republicans aren't just pro-life, they're also pro-lice.
I guess if the children need a bath they can just be water-boarded.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 05:31:31 PM
Apparently the Republicans aren't just pro-life, they're also pro-lice.
Dems = pro cock-roach.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 05:33:43 PM
I guess if the children need a bath they can just be water-boarded.
If you have had kids, you know that is true ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
Trump has become the soap Nazi - "No soap for you!"
Great Seinfeld reference. Would that make the kids in those concentration camps akin to George Costanza???
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 27, 2019, 01:44:18 AM
Great Seinfeld reference. Would that make the kids in those concentration camps akin to George Costanza???
Ugly cross reference. Going to talk about light shades next?
Nothing to hide here (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-leaves-for-asia-trip-g20-today-2019-06-26-live-updates/)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 27, 2019, 10:12:48 AM
Nothing to hide here (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-leaves-for-asia-trip-g20-today-2019-06-26-live-updates/)
That's the problem with "executive privilege" and "classified". Separation of powers means that SCOTUS, POTUS and Congress don't have to be transparent to each other. State affairs means that very few people in government, and nobody outside of government, is privy to state secrets. That is hard to reconcile with democracy. But then the US is not a democracy, it is a republic, with representatives. And GB is a monarchy with a parliament. The old Athenian democracy only applied to whichever citizen males could assemble before the Pnyx on any given day, about 4,000 out of 30,000 possible (not accounting for death by plague or war).
Trump's sycophantic safe space subreddit got quarantined.
Can't say that I'm surprised. Something about death threats against cops, which is ironic given their blind adoration of the police when minorities are involved. I guess simple tribalism is the main motivator in both instances.
Sometimes people who either aren't familiar with US politics or don't pay much attention to politics wonder at the sheer vitriol liberals have for conservatives in this country (they're not all sexist or racist) and ask why we can't find common ground or at least just get along.
To those people I say to feast your eyes on Exhibit A:
[spoiler](https://i.redd.it/lmrh49ffns631.jpg)[/spoiler]
The most charitable characterization is that these are irl losers whose sole mission in life is to do or say anything, no matter how reprehensible, to "trigger the libs". The less charitable conclusion is that these are quasi-people who genuinely espouse far-right ideas like an "ethnostate" and authoritarian rule that are fundamentally incompabile with western-style democracy.
The political struggle - such as it is - is not between going forward in one direction and going forward in another. It is about going forward or going back. There is no compromise to be made on that question.
There are real Stormfront-gruppen out there. You would know them if you encounter them. But that isn't the narrative, the narrative is that anyone who disagrees with me, is a Nazi. Hence I counter that anyone who disagrees with me, is a Commie. Purely rhetorical. I would know a real Commie, since I have read Jacobin (online mag). Of course, vilification of dialog leads to violence. With milkshakes or worse.
Most Trump supporters would not tolerate Trump's behavior from their own children, family members or their neighbors. But Trump gets a pass. In that sense, the GOP has turned into a cult movement, and Trump is their savior who can do no wrong. He has successfully convinced his supporters that the media is FAKE news, that the Dems are out to get him at all cost and the Liberals want to turn the US into a Venezuela-style socialism. He lies constantly only because there are no negative consequences from his supporters. The most disheartening thing is that the Dems have not produced a credible challenger so far. So how did the American people lose their minds is a question for future historians to answer.
///end of rant
I heard of one evengelical Trump supporter who, when asked about his behavior, said "Well, we're all sinners, and he's a work in progress."
Trump will probably become known as the greatest con artist in the history of the world. That's why I like to call him Uncle Scam.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 27, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
Trump will probably become known as the greatest con artist in the history of the world. That's why I like to call him Uncle Scam.
All politicians are sociopaths and con-men. Human governance is a failure ... what you expect with monkey shit.
I think TDS (trump derangement syndrome) gives too much credit. TDS is more likely to see Trump as G-d Emperor than his actual fans. TDS means that you are a superhero fighting Cthulhu (Kraken) ... not just some NYC loser. Perseus was a feminist of course.
Second D-party clown car. Biden and Sanders are old White men, and neither attempted to talk in Chinese. Kamala Harris benefited from bussing. The rest of it was ...
1. Tax Republicans to destruction
2. Change the current medical care system into a nationalized NHS system like GB
3. Open border to everyone, Schengen as if the US is the EU, everywhere is Europe, everyone outside is a refugee
4. Give full free lunch to all immigrants first, provided they know that the D-party is their friend
5. Eventually the crushed "non-immigrants" will come around, or be put on reservation
Kudos to Trump for meeting Kim in the DMZ. It might be just a photo-op, it's nevertheless in the right direction.
It may be a step in the right direction, if Trump weren't such a security risk. Who knows what he'll blab to KJU?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on June 30, 2019, 09:07:57 AM
Kudos to Trump for meeting Kim in the DMZ. It might be just a photo-op, it's nevertheless in the right direction.
How is it a move in the right direction? What, exactly, has changed for the better?
All I see is one of the worst dictators in the world being granted legitimacy by the Western superpower. That's not a win for anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UttL8utsvLA
When prisons are for profit, excuses will be found to fill them to the max. I wonder how many Republicans (or Democrats, for that matter) are heavily invested in these private prisons?
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 30, 2019, 06:59:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UttL8utsvLA
When prisons are for profit, excuses will be found to fill them to the max. I wonder how many Republicans (or Democrats, for that matter) are heavily invested in these private prisons?
Far too many, given how few Democrats seem to have any interest in fixing it as well. They may talk about how horrible it is, but I don't see them fighting tooth and nail to fix it.
Yeah, they don't seem to be fighting tooth and nail for much of anything.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 30, 2019, 07:43:25 PM
Yeah, they don't seem to be fighting tooth and nail for much of anything.
Champaign socialists or ... more lower class ... Ripple socialists ;-)
Lay down with Hollywood, wake up with STDs.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 30, 2019, 05:59:51 PM
How is it a move in the right direction? What, exactly, has changed for the better?
All I see is one of the worst dictators in the world being granted legitimacy by the Western superpower. That's not a win for anyone.
Democrats = per 1960s repeat ... kill all the tyrants (Diem and Ho). Puritans can't even stand in their own shadow, because it isn't kosher.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 30, 2019, 05:41:27 PM
It may be a step in the right direction, if Trump weren't such a security risk. Who knows what he'll blab to KJU?
Already has. Good thing you don't have a permanent address. Will be so hard for these guys to find you ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLUkfpmkaQ
Yes, the only good violent revolution is one led by the sons of Jefferson Davis, 1860, 1960 etc
Quote from: Baruch on June 30, 2019, 07:50:54 PM
Already has. Good thing you don't have a permanent address. Will be so hard for these guys to find you ...
Well, since I have an Android phone they probably know exactly where I'm at, if they want to find me. I try to keep a very low profile, though, so they won't be the least bit interested - too many bigger fish in the sea than me.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 30, 2019, 08:03:11 PM
Well, since I have an Android phone they probably know exactly where I'm at, if they want to find me. I try to keep a very low profile, though, so they won't be the least bit interested - too many bigger fish in the sea than me.
Little fish are caught en-mass with drift nets, not by hook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A09RoyXqk9o
Glad these guys get to work making my Hanes underwear I have on right now. Take that Karl (eat my shorts) Marx!
In the late 70s, when Vietnam was done kicking our ass, they kicked China's ass too.
Why you don't enter a land war in Asia? Female military in skirts! Kuwaii!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLzgPa28Ds
And now it's time for something completely different:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtcNsZQDLkc
It took me a while for Fallon to grow on me, and now I need an ointment...
Quote from: Baruch on June 30, 2019, 08:07:49 PM
Little fish are caught en-mass with drift nets, not by hook.
But they don't want fish with good taste, they want fish that taste good. :-P
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4lJ9vsZjMU
Americans ruin everything. Soviet Union, Red China, EUSR ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 30, 2019, 05:41:27 PM
It may be a step in the right direction, if Trump weren't such a security risk. Who knows what he'll blab to KJU?
Trump is coming to the realization that NK will never give up its nuclear arsenal. At best he can get is a nuclear freeze. The faster the US comes to that conclusion the better it is for the rest of the world. He's also probably hoping that Iran will have a summit with him to give him another photo-op. Who would have thought a narcissistic, lying bitch who runs a criminal enterprise could accomplish so much?!?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 01, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
Trump is coming to the realization that NK will never give up its nuclear arsenal. At best he can get is a nuclear freeze. The faster the US comes to that conclusion the better it is for the rest of the world. He's also probably hoping that Iran will have a summit with him to give him another photo-op. Who would have thought a narcissistic, lying bitch who runs a criminal enterprise could accomplish so much?!?
It takes a lying criminal to work with other lying criminals. Trump (and predecessors) didn't mind standing next to blood thirsty Saudi leaders, right?
Yes, Justin Trudeau is the world's savior?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 01, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
Trump is coming to the realization that NK will never give up its nuclear arsenal. At best he can get is a nuclear freeze. The faster the US comes to that conclusion the better it is for the rest of the world. He's also probably hoping that Iran will have a summit with him to give him another photo-op. Who would have thought a narcissistic, lying bitch who runs a criminal enterprise could accomplish so much?!?
Yep, Uncle Scam is the greatest con artist in the history of the world!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 01, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
Yep, Uncle Scam is the greatest con artist in the history of the world!
I certainly hope so. The German/Russian/Chinese con artists can eat my shorts!
You have edible shorts? I've heard of that...kinda kinky.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 01, 2019, 02:07:37 PM
You have edible shorts? I've heard of that...kinda kinky.
Kosher vanilla flavor.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 01, 2019, 09:37:15 AM
Trump is coming to the realization that NK will never give up its nuclear arsenal. At best he can get is a nuclear freeze. The faster the US comes to that conclusion the better it is for the rest of the world. He's also probably hoping that Iran will have a summit with him to give him another photo-op. Who would have thought a narcissistic, lying bitch who runs a criminal enterprise could accomplish so much?!?
Well, let's wait and see if he accomplishes
anything out of this. The last time he met KJU, he just handed him a pile of concessions and got nothing in return for it other than a photo-op â€" because the security of both the Western world and our allies in Asia means fuck-all compared to him getting his ego stroked.
The art of the deal, my fat Polish ass.
Who engaged in obstruction of justice? DoJ of Obama administration, with or without go ahead of Obama
The 33,000 emails were under seal by order of Congress ...
"Obama DOJ gave immunity to Clinton lawyer who destroyed 33K emails: Report" ... Hillary didn't do it, her boss, Obama, did it. Hence the meeting on the tarmac between Bill Clinton and Atty Gen Lynch.
Quote from: trdsf on July 01, 2019, 10:30:38 PM
Well, let's wait and see if he accomplishes anything out of this. The last time he met KJU, he just handed him a pile of concessions and got nothing in return for it other than a photo-op â€" because the security of both the Western world and our allies in Asia means fuck-all compared to him getting his ego stroked.
The art of the deal, my fat Polish ass.
For Trump, getting a photo-op is a WIN, not necessarily what you or I would consider to be a win. Of course his main concern is his own re-election. And framing his campaign in terms of how many wins he has in his column is going to be a large part of his strategy. OTOH, the Dems are tripping themselves all over as to whom is more pure according to some definition by the far Left. So in spite of his dismal performance and outrageous behavior, Trump can still win the 2020 election. Don't count him out.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 02, 2019, 07:16:25 AM
For Trump, getting a photo-op is a WIN, not necessarily what you or I would consider to be a win. Of course his main concern is his own re-election. And framing his campaign in terms of how many wins he has in his column is going to be a large part of his strategy. OTOH, the Dems are tripping themselves all over as to whom is more pure according to some definition by the far Left. So in spite of his dismal performance and outrageous behavior, Trump can still win the 2020 election. Don't count him out.
True. The Trump win in 2016 was due to billions of free publicity that the obsession of the Liberal media had during the election. Has the Liberal media learned anything?
Quote from: trdsf on July 01, 2019, 10:30:38 PM
Well, let's wait and see if he accomplishes anything out of this. The last time he met KJU, he just handed him a pile of concessions and got nothing in return for it other than a photo-op â€" because the security of both the Western world and our allies in Asia means fuck-all compared to him getting his ego stroked.
The art of the deal, my fat Polish ass.
I hope he at least didn't salute any NK generals this time! LOL
I guess Uncle Scam won't be satisfied with 76 trombones? He wants tanks at his July 4th parade, like his buddy KJU.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 02, 2019, 01:36:48 PM
I hope he at least didn't salute any NK generals this time! LOL
The new press secretary didn't. They beat her up.
Donnie's getting his parade..It would be awesome if right in front of the main presentation area, we could convince a few hundred marching soldiers to start goose-stepping..
Quote from: Baruch on July 03, 2019, 04:39:39 AM
The new press secretary didn't. They beat her up.
An act of war, I say! To the battlements, men!
Quote from: aitm on July 03, 2019, 11:55:22 AM
Donnie's getting his parade..It would be awesome if right in front of the main presentation area, we could convince a few hundred marching soldiers to start goose-stepping..
US helmets were already changed to more match the German kind from WW II ;-(
I disapprove of goose-stepping (most militaries do it), not because the Germans did it, but because I am afraid of unnecessary injury to the ones marching. One could pull a hip tendon doing that!
Japan: Words are wind. Blowhards doubly so. (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/02/national/politics-diplomacy/japanese-officials-play-trumps-security-treaty-criticisms-claim-remarks-not-always-official-u-s-position/)
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 04, 2019, 10:01:56 AM
Japan: Words are wind. Blowhards doubly so. (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/02/national/politics-diplomacy/japanese-officials-play-trumps-security-treaty-criticisms-claim-remarks-not-always-official-u-s-position/)
We are kamikaze … beware our wrath!
(https://i.redd.it/daq2v886le831.jpg)
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 04, 2019, 10:01:56 AM
Japan: Words are wind. Blowhards doubly so. (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/02/national/politics-diplomacy/japanese-officials-play-trumps-security-treaty-criticisms-claim-remarks-not-always-official-u-s-position/)
Yeah, Trump is exacerbating global warming with all that hot air he spews.
I don't expect much. So I find his gaffs funny not embarrassing. Obama was better spoken, but I didn't care for his policies either.
(https://i.redd.it/67emu6jo3w831.jpg)
I've never understood the lust so many men have for young girls. I've always liked my women to have some maturity to them, and some experience. Even when I was young myself, I always preferred older women.
Meet the free speech Party (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/08/wave-of-new-laws-aim-to-stifle-anti-pipeline-protests-activists-say)
Trump has been preparing for the presidency as far back as the 1990's. If you think that he got into politics as an afterthought, and got lucky in winning the prize, Trump is laughing at you. But first he learned to manipulate the media. At that, he is a master while the media hasn't figured out how to deal with him. The Dems are out of touch, and their continued squabbles can only insure a Trump's re-election. Trump counts on you to underestimate him. What's the old saying, "Fooled me once, shame on you. Fooled me twice, shame on me."
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 08, 2019, 01:30:40 PM
Trump has been preparing for the presidency as far back as the 1990's. If you think that he got into politics as an afterthought, and got lucky in winning the prize, Trump is laughing at you. But first he learned to manipulate the media. At that, he is a master while the media hasn't figured out how to deal with him. The Dems are out of touch, and their continued squabbles can only insure a Trump's re-election. Trump counts on you to underestimate him. What's the old saying, "Fooled me once, shame on you. Fooled me twice, shame on me."
https://youtu.be/8Ux3DKxxFoM?t=45
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 08, 2019, 01:21:12 PM
I've never understood the lust so many men have for young girls. I've always liked my women to have some maturity to them, and some experience. Even when I was young myself, I always preferred older women.
But did they prefer you, Monsieur Voltaire?
Well, they sure didn't seem to mind...
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 08, 2019, 03:02:41 PM
https://youtu.be/8Ux3DKxxFoM?t=45
George W was the fool ... who would know ;-(
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 08, 2019, 03:19:16 PM
Well, they sure didn't seem to mind...
Man who lay down with cougars, wake up with scratches - Confucius.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8k93rbJjI
Quote‘The president failed every criterion for rational and reality-based decision-making capacity.’ â€" Here’s what top psychiatrists learned about Trump’s mental state from the Mueller report.
Dr. Brandy Lee: My name is Dr. Bandy Lee. I’m a forensic psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine. A forensic psychiatrist does evaluations for the courts and testifies before legal or governmental bodies. My views are my own, although I do represent the World Mental Health Coalition as its president.
My colleagues and I assessed Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report from a mental health perspective.
Our assessment is definitive.
Our recommendations were, first and foremost, to remove Mr. Trump from access to nuclear weapons and war-making powers.
We could offer many more, but given the urgency, we decided to focus on the two most important.
The instability and impulsivity that led us to the brink of war with Iran should illustrate the importance of mental capacity in a president, as we describe.
His actions are exactly what we would predict from an individual who lacks mental capacity.
Much of this may have been preventable if we had regular fitness-for-duty tests for presidents and vice presidents before they even take office.
All military personnel who handle nuclear weapons must pass rigorous psychological testing before they assume their duties, and must renew it every year.
Yet the person who commands nuclear weapons does not. What we performed was a mental capacity evaluation. It tests function, not diagnosis, and in this case the ability of someone to make sound decisions free of impulsivity, recklessness, paranoia, and false beliefs.
To demonstrate mental capacity, one has to be able to take in information and advice; to appreciate and make flexible use of that information; to consider consequences based on rational, reality-based, and reliable thinking without undue interference from impulsivity, conspiracy theories, emotional needs, or fluctuating inconsistency; and to refrain from behavior that places oneself or others in danger.
Mr. Trump showed enough evidence to both allies and opponents, as well as in his incitement to violence in public, that he did not possess these abilities.
Our work is not about Mr. Trump, who may not be a danger as a private citizen, but about protecting society against the powers of the presidency in a person who has not demonstrated the ability to handle them.
As the evidence was overwhelming, and since outside perspectives are more important in a functional exam than a personal interview, we did not feel we needed one.
The wealth and quality of the report’s content made this possible.
In fact, we had more and better data, under sworn testimony, than we have ever had in our usual practice.
Still, we wished to offer the president the opportunity to present for an exam if he believed himself fit, and we asked him to give us an answer within three weeks.
While his staff let us know that our request was received, there has been no response about a personal exam.
Hence, we proceeded with our conclusion and recommendations.
A capacity evaluation is different from a diagnostic exam for the purpose of treating a patient.
A diagnosis has nothing to do with a person’s ability to function in a job.
Many individuals with diagnoses of mental illness get the help they need and function perfectly well at work.
We are also not interested in a diagnosis because the president is not our patient.
Our primary responsibility is to protect public health and safety, as our professional ethics require.
Capacity evaluations are usually performed for employers, not patients, and the employers in the case of a president are the people.
Our findings also certify the observations of our public-service book, “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 37 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.â€
We predicted two years ago that Mr. Trump would grow worse under the pressures and the powers of the presidency.
Having a president who lacks capacity is like having a captain who is asleep at the wheelâ€"only worse, since many people will not recognize that he is asleep.
Too late for that. Trump has reduced the efficiency of the FBI, CIA, the army, the GOP, the media, the courts so that he is in position to do anything he pleases. The only thing that can bring him down is if his supporters defect in huge numbers, which isn't happening - the latest polls show his approval rate is at 44%.
That's about 145 million people that approve of Trump. I can't understand how that many people could be so enamored of the guy. I suspect he'll get his second term, but I sure hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 03:29:42 PM
That's about 145 million people that approve of Trump. I can't understand how that many people could be so enamored of the guy. I suspect he'll get his second term, but I sure hope I'm wrong.
Still not enamored. Still disgusted by Democrats. Ross Perot died today. One guy I didn't vote for, that I wished I had (in 92).
145 million people that approve of Trump??? Heck there are still 2.2 billions who believe Jesus resurrected...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 09, 2019, 03:54:29 PM
145 million people that approve of Trump??? Heck there are still 2.2 billions who believe Jesus resurrected...
And every person who gets a lotto ticket, thinks they are a winner ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 03:49:15 PM
Still not enamored. Still disgusted by Democrats. Ross Perot died today. One guy I didn't vote for, that I wished I had (in 92).
The only reason anyone even knows of Perot is because he ran for president once, but there was a giant sucking sound, and he lost.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 03:59:22 PM
The only reason anyone even knows of Perot is because he ran for president once, but there was a giant sucking sound, and he lost.
The Deep State threatened his daughter so he pulled out in August? before the 92 election. They wanted Big Cigar (aka Bill Clinton). Recruited to Bohemian Grove while on Rhodes Scholarship. They prefer politicians who can be blackmailed.
You have to be sociopath to want the WH job. I respected what he did for his employees, in Iran, during their 79 revolution. I nearly got employed by him once, but I didn't have the right stuff. His second computer consulting company (the first was EDS).
The latest spat between Trump and the British ambassador must have Putin rolling on the floor, laughing his heart out. Yet the latest ABC/Wash post polling has Trump at 47% approval rating. The Brits have two impossible choices: stand up for its ambassador and risk further deterioration; or fire him, appearing to kowtow to the whims of a foreign leader. Is this the end of the special relationship between the US and the UK?
Once again, we'll just have to wait and see. I've said that more in the last few years than in my whole previous life!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
Once again, we'll just have to wait and see. I've said that more in the last few years than in my whole previous life!
Joe ... no, bend over and let the Brits take us in the ass? The ambassador got ... leaked. His private opinions made untenable. If kept private, ambassadors can say what they like. Not impressed with his pro-Dem POV though, he got here in Obama's time. Should be made British ambassador to California ;-)
There is a special relationship, but it is between MI6/CIA, GCHQ/NSA, MI5/FBI.
Joe Kennedy Sr, as US ambassador to GB in 1940 said, the British are thru, don't back them, the Germans will occupy them for sure. FDR had to fire him. Meanwhile JFK was bedding a German agent, and had to be exiled to the S Pacific, where he was lucky enough to be run over by a Japanese warship, and survive it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnSHvc5ZQo
You can almost see the self-image cracking.
Yeah, right-wingers only care about their own free speech.
I really hope Trump gets tangled up in the Epstein saga, and actually gets prosecuted for whatever he's done with Epstein's victims.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 08:34:07 PM
Yeah, right-wingers only care about their own free speech.
I really hope Trump gets tangled up in the Epstein saga, and actually gets prosecuted for whatever he's done with Epstein's victims.
Left-wingers only care about their party cadre and the Communist Manifesto.
Hard to say. Bill Clinton definitely involved. You want to see him hang? This was all done under CIA sponsorship (blackmail). Nobody is going to jail.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 09, 2019, 08:15:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnSHvc5ZQo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fnSHvc5ZQo)
The reality is that Trump's supporters ONLY watch Fox News.
I don't support Trump. My primary news is British, of Brexit POV. American news is too narrow, too narcissistic. Americans are incapable of being honest about themselves, they aren't self-conscious ... and too provincial and prejudiced to be honest about anyone else.
Pedophile Party (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-party-at-mar-a-lago-women-2019-7)
"Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 10, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
Pedophile Party (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-party-at-mar-a-lago-women-2019-7)
"Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'
If the girls were legal age, and gave permission ... then Bill Clinton can just stuff his jealousy.
The point isn't immoral sex ... no such thing between consenting adults according to most people here. It is wrong, if underage or without consent, or both.
Please document with every girl at every Trump party (with or without Epstein) your data.
So funny, if TDS leads to sexual puritanism among "progressives". It has already led to 180 degree warmongering.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 10, 2019, 05:47:41 PM
Pedophile Party (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-epstein-party-at-mar-a-lago-women-2019-7)
"Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled telling Trump. "He said: 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'
This is nothing new - it's Trump method of operation. Recall when Manafort first got into trouble, Trump responded that he hardly knew him - the very same guy who ran his election campaign. Whenever Trump has appointed someone in his cabinet who then ran afoul, Trump didn't hesitate to throw that dude under the bus. If you are an asset to Trump, you're great. If suddenly you are a liability, he hardly knows you, or hasn't talked to you in the last 15 years, or he was never a fan of yours. Trump lies so often that he also lies about his own lies. Trump has simply adopted Roger Ailes' motto: "The truth is whatever people will believe."
Manafort may get off now, since irregularities have been discovered in how Mueller screwed him (I suspect Manafort is in fact guilty). When a prosecutor is overly enthusiastic in going after a suspect, they cut corners which establish new SCOTUS law. Biden and his son, were also involved with Ukrainian criminals. They were not charged.
(https://i.imgur.com/IMzbFzF.png)
Hmmm...
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 11, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IMzbFzF.png)
Hmmm...
Fluoride toothpaste explains that ... never touch the stuff myself.
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Fuck Trump.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 12, 2019, 01:20:06 AM
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Fuck Trump.
Fuck America. Go back to Europe etc.
A part of my ancestry is from Lancashire England. Maybe sometime in the last 500 years. But if I went there, I wouldn't fit in. I would be LARPing. If I tried to pretend I am English, I would be doing cultural appropriation.
If you want to help a child, adopt one. If you already have one, be a better parent. Political virtue signaling is ... dysfunctional.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 12, 2019, 01:20:06 AM
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Fuck Trump.
Obama started this, and plenty of similar people died under his lead. Think you should take a broader look at your country as a whole instead of just who's in charge of your political opposition.
Democrats make war etc = OK with Dems
Republicans make war etc = not OK with Dems
Do Dems have any integrity? No. And the Republicans aren't any better.
No, with TDS ... Trump eats little children for breakfast, particularly if they are non-White. So funny that Dems condemn Alex Jones.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 11, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/IMzbFzF.png)
Hmmm...
The same guy who claims that the media sold itself to the devil, and as a media personality himself, was a propaganda tool for the Right. He should google "cognitive dissonance", he's a prime candidate.
Quote from: Munch on July 12, 2019, 09:45:42 AM
Obama started this, and plenty of similar people died under his lead. Think you should take a broader look at your country as a whole instead of just who's in charge of your political opposition.
Obama did not start this. Show me one time ANYONE was detained at the border, separated from their children, and died of thirst under custody while Obama was in office. Never happened. Stop listening to your brain dead, right wing idiots.
Quote from: Baruch on July 12, 2019, 04:04:55 AM
Fuck America. Go back to Europe etc.
A part of my ancestry is from Lancashire England. Maybe sometime in the last 500 years. But if I went there, I wouldn't fit in. I would be LARPing. If I tried to pretend I am English, I would be doing cultural appropriation.
If you want to help a child, adopt one. If you already have one, be a better parent. Political virtue signaling is ... dysfunctional.
"If you want to help a child, adopt one."
What the fuck is wrong with you? This child wasn't an orphan. She was a healthy child, separated from her parents, killed by those who treat Hispanics as subhuman.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
... This child wasn't an orphan. She was a healthy child, separated from her parents, killed by those who treat Hispanics as subhuman.
It's also what Trump sold to the American people - there's caravan going to invade the country... These people will take your jobs, destroy your schools, and bring illegal drugs and crimes. And this was repeated over and over for months on Fox News and other right-wing outlets. It's no surprise that the migrants are seen as less than humans. And many in the Trump administration want these images to be out there as they see them as a deterrent. The worst part comes from Trump's supporters as they enable this government to continue with this atrocity.
From: February 10, 2011 â€" In 2011, Donald Trump stoked false claims that Barack Obama had lied about his education. During a speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump said, “Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere. In fact, I’ll go a step further: The people that went to school with him, they never saw him, they don’t know who he is. It’s crazy.†This is false.
To: October 31, 2018 â€" Donald Trump tweeted a racist political ad depicting an undocumented immigrant who had been convicted of murdering two police officers. The ad featured the tagline, “Democrats let him into our country. Democrats let him stay.†Luis Bracamontes, the convicted man, had a history of crime and was originlly released by a sheriff’s department that was headed by Republican Joe Arpaio. He later illegally re-entered the United States during the presidency of George W. Bush.
Everything Trump says is a lie. This site lists them. Read them and weep...https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-546 (https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/the-complete-listing-so-far-atrocities-1-546)
I would summarize all the false statements by Trump, but even a SUMMERY of 546 lies would be too long to post here. Some may object to 1 or 2 of them. That's OK.
Let's say you had a neighbor you had evidence of doing 15 really moronic and damaging things. And one was "iffy". Would that make all the other objections false?
I leave it to you to read the list if you choose to. The list will turn the stomach of most people...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 12:19:29 PM
I leave it to you to read the list if you choose to. The list will turn the stomach of most people...
I agree with you, Cavebear. But I must disagree with your assessment that most people's stomach's will turn. Most, it seems, go along with trump and what he says; and I find that frightening and sobering. One study demonstrated that most of trump's speeches and tweets and communications are on a 4th grade level. And that is why his followers love him--he talks like them. This country has many many more stupid people than I had thought. They are not only anti-intellectual, but they have adopted a 4th grade bully (trump talks like one, acts like one) as their idol/leader. Plus, the christian 'leaders' love him for he tells his followers the same as they teach their sheeple. Believe--don't think--believe and believe even harder when there are no good reasons to believe or even against any facts that are brought up--just believe and don't think, for thinking is of satan. Even more frightening is that trump will win in 2020 and he is now grooming Ivanka to be the president after him. Be frightened--be very frightened!!
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2019, 11:23:43 AM
Obama did not start this. Show me one time ANYONE was detained at the border, separated from their children, and died of thirst under custody while Obama was in office. Never happened. Stop listening to your brain dead, right wing idiots.
You are duplicitous ;-( The law, that President Obama was administering, changed in early 2017. But there was law against illegal immigration, for centuries before that. What changed was the "zero tolerance" that was added to the existing laws. That may or may not have been a good idea.
Fact is, there isn't enough ICE/DHS facilities to hold the thousands of law breakers we have been getting. Also the legal system is overwhelmed, hence the "catch and release" that will lead, starting tomorrow, to people who were on temporary release, being re-gathered and deported (criminals first).
So, why don't you volunteer to join ICE or DHS, so you can do something productive? Remember, I am in favor of legal immigration, including from Latin America.
But folks who are pushing delusional policies, as part of their attempt at worldwide revolution (see Soros) ... are enemies of humanity. Just like revolutionaries usually are. False messiahs.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 13, 2019, 12:34:03 PM
I agree with you, Cavebear. But I must disagree with your assessment that most people's stomach's will turn. Most, it seems, go along with trump and what he says; and I find that frightening and sobering. One study demonstrated that most of trump's speeches and tweets and communications are on a 4th grade level. And that is why his followers love him--he talks like them. This country has many many more stupid people than I had thought. They are not only anti-intellectual, but they have adopted a 4th grade bully (trump talks like one, acts like one) as their idol/leader. Plus, the christian 'leaders' love him for he tells his followers the same as they teach their sheeple. Believe--don't think--believe and believe even harder when there are no good reasons to believe or even against any facts that are brought up--just believe and don't think, for thinking is of satan. Even more frightening is that trump will win in 2020 and he is now grooming Ivanka to be the president after him. Be frightened--be very frightened!!
You make very good points about the people who agree/follow Trump. And the possibilities do frighten me. But I was not aiming my post to those "sheeple" (love that). I was instead hoping that the very few here who like this nutso might read the list of crazy-stuff Trump has said over the years and think about it. Yeah right, but I am ever-hopeful that reason will prevail.
Along that line, it seems to have been a truism over the years that arguing with factless people is not successful. but in the March 2019 issue of Scientific American there was an article suggesting that truism is not quite as true as previously thought.
I'll offer the most succinct statement in the article...
"A 2016 study reported that when researchers refuted a conspiracy theory by pointing out its logical inconsistencies, it became less enchanting to people".
The whole article was fascinating to read. You might be able to get it online. If not, I would happily scan the pages and email them. And to anyone who sends me an email address...
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2019, 11:28:01 AM
"If you want to help a child, adopt one."
What the fuck is wrong with you? This child wasn't an orphan. She was a healthy child, separated from her parents, killed by those who treat Hispanics as subhuman.
Many of the children are unaccompanied. How would you know if they are orphans or not? Many of the children, that are accompanied, nobody can determine if the adults with them are real relatives or not. And there is rampant child sex trafficking of these children (gotta supply the evil US with hos and drugs).
No, I consider Dems to be undermenschen, just like the traitors they have always been. I would immediately bring in one extra Mexican, if we can deport 2 Democrat citizens to Venezuela for each one.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 13, 2019, 11:40:02 AM
It's also what Trump sold to the American people - there's caravan going to invade the country... These people will take your jobs, destroy your schools, and bring illegal drugs and crimes. And this was repeated over and over for months on Fox News and other right-wing outlets. It's no surprise that the migrants are seen as less than humans. And many in the Trump administration want these images to be out there as they see them as a deterrent. The worst part comes from Trump's supporters as they enable this government to continue with this atrocity.
The numbers are rapidly increasing, and includes criminals and people from Africa etc.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
Look at the red line (2019). Higher than in past years. It recently went down, because of 21,000 Mexican military deployed at their north and south borders.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
You are duplicitous ;-( The law, that President Obama was administering, changed in early 2017. But there was law against illegal immigration, for centuries before that. What changed was the "zero tolerance" that was added to the existing laws. That may or may not have been a good idea.
Fact is, there isn't enough ICE/DHS facilities to hold the thousands of law breakers we have been getting. Also the legal system is overwhelmed, hence the "catch and release" that will lead, starting tomorrow, to people who were on temporary release, being re-gathered and deported (criminals first).
So, why don't you volunteer to join ICE or DHS, so you can do something productive? Remember, I am in favor of legal immigration, including from Latin America.
But folks who are pushing delusional policies, as part of their attempt at worldwide revolution (see Soros) ... are enemies of humanity. Just like revolutionaries usually are. False messiahs.
Historically, asylum requests have bee presented to the US Embassy or local consulate offices within the country of origin. If I understand correctly, under the Trump administration that was changed to require people to come across the border to request asylum. And that was a GOTCHA! they had to enter the US illegally to request asylum and therefore "criminals" subject to deportation.
It's a game Trump and (by support) Republicans are playing..
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
Many of the children are unaccompanied. How would you know if they are orphans or not? Many of the children, that are accompanied, nobody can determine if the adults with them are real relatives or not. And there is rampant child sex trafficking of these children (gotta supply the evil US with hos and drugs).
No, I consider Dems to be undermenschen, just like the traitors they have always been. I would immediately bring in one extra Mexican, if we can deport 2 Democrat citizens to Venezuela for each one.
The Trump administration defines "unaccompanied" children as not being with a parent. They don't count aunts, uncles, grandparents, adult brothers or sisters. It's another cheap game trick.
You know what drives me crazy sometimes? It's obvious that Trump should be removed from office as "incompetent". The question is "how"? He could be impeached, which only means that the House brings charges and the Senate has to convict him (which they won't). But impeachment might have some ethical value. And he might just not be re-elected (which serves the same purpose).
An "impeachment inquiry" might serve both purposes. It would show the populace that he is a crazy-bomb AND make sure he loses the election. I'm mostly with Speaker Pelosi on this.
But I sure would like to see that creep rot in jail for tax evasion et al... I'm not finicky about the charges...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 01:09:34 PM
Historically, asylum requests have bee presented to the US Embassy or local consulate offices within the country of origin. If I understand correctly, under the Trump administration that was changed to require people to come across the border to request asylum. And that was a GOTCHA! they had to enter the US illegally to request asylum and therefore "criminals" subject to deportation.
It's a game Trump and (by support) Republicans are playing..
At least two congress-critters, including one Presidential candidate, have been attempting to help asylum seekers make false claims. They need to be arrested.
A bit less than 50% who apply, are granted asylum ... awww
https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/539/
Yes, higher percentage being denied under Trump. But absolute number is up for 2018.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:13:37 PM
At least two congress-critters, including one Presidential candidate have been attempting to help asylum seekers make false claims. They need to be arrested.
I'll bite. Who are the 2 and the candidate?
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 01:13:36 PM
The Trump administration defines "unaccompanied" children as not being with a parent. They don't count aunts, uncles, grandparents, adult brothers or sisters. It's another cheap game trick.
Can you tell who is who?
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
You know what drives me crazy sometimes? It's obvious that Trump should be removed from office as "incompetent". The question is "how"? He could be impeached, which only means that the House brings charges and the Senate has to convict him (which they won't). But impeachment might have some ethical value. And he might just not be re-elected (which serves the same purpose).
An "impeachment inquiry" might serve both purposes. It would show the populace that he is a crazy-bomb AND make sure he loses the election. I'm mostly with Speaker Pelosi on this.
But I sure would like to see that creep rot in jail for tax evasion et al... I'm not finicky about the charges...
Not a good reason. All politicians are incompetent, or they would hold real jobs ;-) A traffic ticket is enough to impeach. But Dems are cowards.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:19:22 PM
A traffic ticket is enough to impeach.
No, it isn't. If you'd take a dump once in a while you wouldn't be so full of shit.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
I'll bite. Who are the 2 and the candidate?
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2019/07/03/cory-booker-texas-border-democrat-presidential-candidate-migrants-immigration/1641513001/
Too bad this is my daughter's favorite candidate. Too bad he isn't taking care of New Jersey, the people who elected him ;-( But more real than the fake photo ops that AOC is doing.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:19:22 PM
Not a good reason. All politicians are incompetent, or they would hold real jobs ;-) A traffic ticket is enough to impeach. But Dems are cowards.
You poor sap... You don't know the difference between governance and cowardice.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 01:09:34 PM
Historically, asylum requests have bee presented to the US Embassy or local consulate offices within the country of origin. If I understand correctly, under the Trump administration that was changed to require people to come across the border to request asylum. And that was a GOTCHA! they had to enter the US illegally to request asylum and therefore "criminals" subject to deportation.
It's a game Trump and (by support) Republicans are playing..
Too bad you are retired, or you could help them with their paperwork (eew).
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:26:04 PM
You poor sap... You don't know the difference between governance and cowardice.
I do, and hey don't even have the same number of letters!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 13, 2019, 02:22:18 PM
No, it isn't. If you'd take a dump once in a while you wouldn't be so full of shit.
I would be happy to send you a FedEx of mine, but hear SF doesn't need any more ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:25:52 PM
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2019/07/03/cory-booker-texas-border-democrat-presidential-candidate-migrants-immigration/1641513001/
Too bad this is my daughter's favorite candidate. Too bad he isn't taking care of New Jersey, the people who elected him ;-( But more real than the fake photo ops that AOC is doing.
Cory Booker isn't my favorite candidate either. And not most of democrats.
Personally, I'm just waiting for the field to narrowed down to 2. I like Biden because he would give our international allies some comfort that we aren't ALWAYS insane and he knows the government. We could use some stability. I like Warren because she is chockful of good ideas and I would LOVE to watch her make mincemeat of Putin and Xi. After them are several, but I want to see some competent executive leadership.
I don't want to see an equally inexperienced leftist "Trump". Its time for re-establishing world alliances and repairing damage.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
You make very good points about the people who agree/follow Trump. And the possibilities do frighten me. But I was not aiming my post to those "sheeple" (love that). I was instead hoping that the very few here who like this nutso might read the list of crazy-stuff Trump has said over the years and think about it. Yeah right, but I am ever-hopeful that reason will prevail.
Along that line, it seems to have been a truism over the years that arguing with factless people is not successful. but in the March 2019 issue of Scientific American there was an article suggesting that truism is not quite as true as previously thought.
I'll offer the most succinct statement in the article...
"A 2016 study reported that when researchers refuted a conspiracy theory by pointing out its logical inconsistencies, it became less enchanting to people".
The whole article was fascinating to read. You might be able to get it online. If not, I would happily scan the pages and email them. And to anyone who sends me an email address...
Well, Cavebear, that is a little ray of sunshine. I guess I'll keep on using facts to buttress my arguments. I'll search for that article.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2019, 11:23:43 AM
Obama did not start this. Show me one time ANYONE was detained at the border, separated from their children, and died of thirst under custody while Obama was in office. Never happened. Stop listening to your brain dead, right wing idiots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMjw-ibKtQ
You have one thing right, obama didn't start this. Its being going on with presidents for a long time now. The difference is obama deported immigrants more then even bush or clinton did, and you'd be a fool to think deporting that many people didn't separate children from families.
Yeah, trump does it and worse, but lets stop pretending like he's the one who's only at fault. Your politicians, democrats or republicans, are just as dirty either side of the line. This is a mark on america and its system of deportation as a whole, and scapegoating it all on one person isn't doing to fix it. Whoever gets in after trump will be doing the exact same thing.
Fact is, trumps just carrying on the work obama started.
And oh, sorry, whats this?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
QuoteDid the Obama Administration Place Immigrant Children With Human Traffickers?
A congressional report and criminal indictment resulted from a 2014 incident in which multiple immigrant children were handed off to a human trafficking ring.
Oh my its true!
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:28:54 PM
I do, and hey don't even have the same number of letters!
There is probably some weird numerology thing that makes them the same. You'ld like that as a conspiracy thing.
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
You have one thing right, obama didn't start this. Its being going on with presidents for a long time now. The difference is obama deported immigrants more then even bush or clinton did, and you'd be a fool to think deporting that many people didn't separate children from families.
Yeah, trump does it and worse, but lets stop pretending like he's the one who's only at fault. Your politicians, democrats or republicans, are just as dirty either side of the line. This is a mark on america and its system of deportation as a whole, and scapegoating it all on one person isn't doing to fix it. Whoever gets in after trump will be doing the exact same thing.
Darn, every time I like you, you mess it up.
In a sense, the current issue isn't about deporting illegal immigrants, it is separating parents from children. In the Bush and Obama administrations, children were only separated from family when the adult was ALSO doing somethin illegal. Because you can't sent a child to jail with the parent.
What the Trump administration is doing is different. They are are actively separating children from parents as an act of fear and (I dare say) to cause terrorism. The INTENT is to cause fear and sadness and that is the very definition of "terrorism".
I agree that illegal immigration is wrong and that we, as a nation, have a right to control our borders. But the methods being used by the Trump administration are despicable and loathsome.
Those children are being kept in conditions we wouldn't tolerate for citizens who are murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. THAT HAS TO STOP!
They're just children...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
Darn, every time I like you, you mess it up.
In a sense, the current issue isn't about deporting illegal immigrants, it is separating parents from children. In the Bush and Obama administrations, children were only separated from family when the adult was ALSO doing somethin illegal. Because you can't sent a child to jail with the parent.
What the Trump administration is doing is different. They are are actively separating children from parents as an act of fear and (I dare say) to cause terrorism. The INTENT is to cause fear and sadness and that is the very definition of "terrorism".
I agree that illegal immigration is wrong and that we, as a nation, have a right to control our borders. But the methods being used by the Trump administration are despicable and loathsome.
Those children are being kept in conditions we wouldn't tolerate for citizens who are murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. THAT HAS TO STOP!
They're just children...
sorry CB, but what did I say that was wrong here? I'm not arguing against what trump has caused here, its obvious to anyone whats happening at these borders and whats happening to the children.
My point was just showing the fact these acts did not start with him, the balls be rolling for a while now, and under obama the ball was thrown down a mountainside. Trumps just carrying on the tradition.
Lets stop pretending any of your political parties over there are wholesome or good, their not, they just have different ways of committing human tragedies. The difference between someone like obama and someone like trump is that trump is completely outward with his evil acts, while someone like obama did it behind a curtain. Even I was fooled by obama's charm, and I'm not american.
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 03:24:33 PM
sorry CB, but what did I say that was wrong here? I'm not arguing against what trump has caused here, its obvious to anyone whats happening at these borders and whats happening to the children.
My point was just showing the fact these acts did not start with him, the balls be rolling for a while now, and under obama the ball was thrown down a mountainside. Trumps just carrying on the tradition.
Lets stop pretending any of your political parties over there are wholesome or good, their not, they just have different ways of committing human tragedies. The difference between someone like obama and someone like trump is that trump is completely outward with his evil acts, while someone like obama did it behind a curtain. Even I was fooled by obama's charm, and I'm not american.
It was the "Its being going on with presidents for a long time now" and it hasn't. What Trump is doing is new.
Sorry, I get all "hot up" about Trump claiming he just does what past president's did when they didn't.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:40:18 PM
There is probably some weird numerology thing that makes them the same. You'ld like that as a conspiracy thing.
9 vs 10 letters ... you can't count? And the concepts are different too.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:54:25 PM
Darn, every time I like you, you mess it up.
In a sense, the current issue isn't about deporting illegal immigrants, it is separating parents from children. In the Bush and Obama administrations, children were only separated from family when the adult was ALSO doing somethin illegal. Because you can't sent a child to jail with the parent.
What the Trump administration is doing is different. They are are actively separating children from parents as an act of fear and (I dare say) to cause terrorism. The INTENT is to cause fear and sadness and that is the very definition of "terrorism".
I agree that illegal immigration is wrong and that we, as a nation, have a right to control our borders. But the methods being used by the Trump administration are despicable and loathsome.
Those children are being kept in conditions we wouldn't tolerate for citizens who are murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. THAT HAS TO STOP!
They're just children...
No, it is about implementing the Kalergi plan in North America. The children are just pawns.
I would give much better conditions to those children, than to US citizens who vote Dem. In fact I would double the taxes on Dems to pay for the paternity DNA tests on the children/parents ... and then if something is amiss, I would skin the kidnappers alive. And broadcast it on endless tape loops in the loudspeakers at the Dem FEMA camps .. call it Fast & Furious. Better yet, I would make it illegal for Dems to have children in the first place ;-) Too much reminder of the former VP pedo in chief.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
No, it is about implementing the Kalergi plan in North America. The children are just pawns.
I would give much better conditions to those children, than to US citizens who vote Dem. In fact I would double the taxes on Dems to pay for the paternity DNA tests on the children/parents ... and then if something is amiss, I would skin the kidnappers alive. And broadcast it on endless tape loops in the loudspeakers at the Dem FEMA camps .. call it Fast & Furious. Better yet, I would make it illegal for Dems to have children in the first place ;-) Too much reminder of the former VP pedo in chief.
It is sometimes a joy to know you are just hopeless, LOL!
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 03:58:39 PM
No, it is about implementing the Kalergi plan in North America. The children are just pawns.
I would give much better conditions to those children, than to US citizens who vote Dem. In fact I would double the taxes on Dems to pay for the paternity DNA tests on the children/parents ... and then if something is amiss, I would skin the kidnappers alive. And broadcast it on endless tape loops in the loudspeakers at the Dem FEMA camps .. call it Fast & Furious. Better yet, I would make it illegal for Dems to have children in the first place ;-) Too much reminder of the former VP pedo in chief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnun8y7r8_U
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 13, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
True, but sometimes you have to reach in deep to discover the real crap...
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 02:38:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CMjw-ibKtQ
You have one thing right, obama didn't start this. Its being going on with presidents for a long time now. The difference is obama deported immigrants more then even bush or clinton did, and you'd be a fool to think deporting that many people didn't separate children from families.
Yeah, trump does it and worse, but lets stop pretending like he's the one who's only at fault. Your politicians, democrats or republicans, are just as dirty either side of the line. This is a mark on america and its system of deportation as a whole, and scapegoating it all on one person isn't doing to fix it. Whoever gets in after trump will be doing the exact same thing.
Fact is, trumps just carrying on the work obama started.
And oh, sorry, whats this?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/
Oh my its true!
Try reading the whole report. Cherry-picking isn't worthy...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:25:41 PM
Try reading the whole report. Cherry-picking isn't worthy...
I have, not sure what the issue is, as I'm not making false claims like those saying left wing media ignored the issue back then which was proven false.
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
I have, not sure what the issue is, as I'm not making false claims like those saying left wing media ignored the issue back then which was proven false.
I explained that "separation" occurred in the Obama administration when adults were felons, because you can't jail children with their felon parent. And that ONLY the Trump administration has artificially defined any adult crossing the border seeking asylum as a "felon".
What part am I missing?
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:56:38 PM
I explained that "separation" occurred in the Obama administration when adults were felons, because you can't jail children with their felon parent. And that ONLY the Trump administration has artificially defined any adult crossing the border seeking asylum as a "felon".
What part am I missing?
They are felons, to me. To you they are potential Dem voters ;-(
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
It is sometimes a joy to know you are just hopeless, LOL!
Your the one who is Biden's love child ;-(
@Cavebear: Here is the other potential Congress perp ... besides Cory Booker (D-Senate)
"Hans von Spakovsky: Is Texas Dem exploiting loophole by coaching migrants to lie?" ... Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-Texas ... just an extension of the "sanctuary city" BS. I would be happy to see any and all politicians in solidarity with the illegals, so that ICE can arrest them and remove them from office.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:13:22 PM
It is sometimes a joy to know you are just hopeless, LOL!
He is AF permanent troll, and like genital herpes - no one on AF wants talk about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfklsKGwBU
I've actually been thinking about this movie/book a lot lately, thinking how prescient King was.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 14, 2019, 04:08:54 PM
He is AF permanent troll, and like genital herpes - no one on AF wants talk about it.
I hope you are doing well ... former AF permanent troll ;-) Takes one to know one.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 14, 2019, 05:47:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfklsKGwBU
I've actually been thinking about this movie/book a lot lately, thinking how prescient King was.
Sometimes nightmares come true ... and a broken clock is right twice a day.
The continuous Dem virtue signaling is so predictable it is continuous. QED.
Disagreeing on a policy isn't the problem. Hatred of the other 2/3 of the USA is (by D or R). I don't mind TDS ... that may yet prove spontaneous combustion is a real thing ... a new "woke" energy source.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 14, 2019, 05:47:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfklsKGwBU
I've actually been thinking about this movie/book a lot lately, thinking how prescient King was.
What's great about Stephen King is that there's almost no overlap between readers of King and reality TV fanboys of Trump.
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Quote from: Hydra009 on July 15, 2019, 08:26:11 AM
What's great about Stephen King is that there's almost no overlap between readers of King and reality TV fanboys of Trump.
Really? I'm a fan of King. But not all of his stuff can I read. Cujo and Pet Semitary Are two I did not read.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 14, 2019, 05:47:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfklsKGwBU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfklsKGwBU)
I've actually been thinking about this movie/book a lot lately, thinking how prescient King was.
Funny thing is I saw that movie, and the TV series, and forgot all about it. The TV series featured Nicole de Boer (ST:DSN) and Anthony Michael Hall (The Breakfast Club). While the movie focused on the Martin Sheen as president, the TV series is on Hall's character who has superpower. Watch it if you can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ww5_VmPBIE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ww5_VmPBIE)
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It would be ok if he attacked their policies - fair game for politicians - it's another thing when he attacks their nativity, citizenship or the color of their skins. Because this is red meat for his supporters who still worship the ground he walks on he gets away with it. This disgusting show from the White House will continue and probably will get worst until the majority is so fed up they get to vote him out.
MY PREDICTION: the worst one and half years to go. Trump madness will increase exponentially.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 15, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
It would be ok if he attacked their policies - fair game for politicians - it's another thing when he attacks their nativity, citizenship or the color of their skins. Because this is red meat for his supporters who still worship the ground he walks on he gets away with it. This disgusting show from the White House will continue and probably will get worst until the majority is so fed up they get to vote him out.
MY PREDICTION: the worst one and half years to go. Trump madness will increase exponentially.
Only one is from non-US (Somalia). The other three are born in the US. But then I don't consider Detroit or NYC to be a part of the US, they need to be walled off and declared a foreign country ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuyWkNK0-yo
Any urban area under long time Dem control, becomes Sudan. SciFi lovers, this dystopia doesn't even have smart phones ;-( The alternative is for the "fly over country" to go "free range lib hunting". Think a civil war will be fun? Think again.
As always, the book--The Dead Zone, is the best. Christopher Walken did a great job in the movie. Did not see the TV series, tho.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 15, 2019, 09:36:25 AM
Funny thing is I saw that movie, and the TV series, and forgot all about it. The TV series featured Nicole de Boer (ST:DSN) and Anthony Michael Hall (The Breakfast Club). While the movie focused on the Martin Sheen as president, the TV series is on Hall's character who has superpower. Watch it if you can.
I saw the movie long ago, but didn't even know about a TV series. I'll check it out. Thanks!
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 15, 2019, 10:37:10 AM
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Trump is actually right this time, since 3 of those Democrats came from the U.S.A., where the government is a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if it still has a functioning government at all). So kudos to Trump for finally telling the truth for once.
My town is fine. If y'all live in a shit-hole with a D party city government, move out while you still can ;-)
Except I believe Congressman Omar ... has violated her terms of naturalization, by lying on her immigration papers. But that is for her to fix. I don't mind if she was married to her brother, and had children by him, and lied about it years ago.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 15, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
Trump is actually right this time, since 3 of those Democrats came from the U.S.A., where the government is a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept in the world (if it still has a functioning government at all). So kudos to Trump for finally telling the truth for once.
True but Trump's goal is on a different lane. Besides giving red meat to his base his recent tweet rage is to force the Dems to unite against him - Pelosi and the squad, which he has labelled the latter as far-left socialists. His election campaign for 2020 is to brand the whole Democratic party platform as socialism - Venezuelan style. Remains to be seen if this strategy will pay off for him. Should the Dems choose instead Biden, then it's plan B - run against sleepy Joe. As I said previously, do not underestimate Trump.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 16, 2019, 10:05:55 AM
True but Trump's goal is on a different lane. Besides giving red meat to his base his recent tweet rage is to force the Dems to unite against him - Pelosi and the squad, which he has labelled the latter as far-left socialists. His election campaign for 2020 is to brand the whole Democratic party platform as socialism - Venezuelan style. Remains to be seen if this strategy will pay off for him. Should the Dems choose instead Biden, then it's plan B - run against sleepy Joe. As I said previously, do not underestimate Trump.
More red meat! Death to the political vegans ;-) Which salad dressing for Soylent Dems?
Don't underestimate Biden either (a CIA troll, same as the Clintons and Obamas). We haven't heard from Assange yet.
We don't know what the Dem platform will be yet. I don't have any optimism however, any more than I am optimistic about the Rep platform.
Hoping for a more successful Independent candidate in 2020.
Unfortunately Trump can lose the popular vote and still retain the office. Just another opportunity for the Electoral College or the SCOTUS to give the Republicans the chance to fuck things up even more than they already have.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 16, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
Unfortunately Trump can lose the popular vote and still retain the office. Just another opportunity for the Electoral College or the SCOTUS to give the Republicans the chance to fuck things up even more than they already have.
I certainly hope. Given the marked tendency to treason by the Dems ... I can't see them having a voice ... a voice of sedition.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 16, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
Unfortunately Trump can lose the popular vote and still retain the office. Just another opportunity for the Electoral College or the SCOTUS to give the Republicans the chance to fuck things up even more than they already have.
I think it's simpler than that for Dems to win the presidency: win back the rust-belt states - they lost 5 out 6 in 2016. Up to now, Biden seems to be the best candidate who could pull that if he can resist falling on his face- he is too prone to make silly blunders but next to Trump, there are mindless.
Too much time left before the convention to even guess who the eventual nominee will be. Biden might make it, he's got a good chance, if, as you say, he can keep from falling on his face.
I hate to say it, but I have my doubts I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee. If the choice is between a loose-cannon like Trump or a puppet like Biden... either way I have to walk away with my hands dirty :\.
Hopefully my transfer request will have gone through before that time comes though, and I will no longer be an American citizen that has to worry about that. I guess working for an international corporation isn't all bad...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 16, 2019, 10:05:55 AMHis election campaign for 2020 is to brand the whole Democratic party platform as socialism - Venezuelan style.
I doubt that would work. We already went through that to some degree in 2016 and that accusation has lost a lot of its credibility. Basically, they'd have to argue that all other western countries are socialist hellholes and seriously get people to believe it in order to make that sort of attack work.
That said, it'd probably play really well with the sorts of people who already believe that Trump is a godly man, Obama is the antchrist, the Confederate flag is patriotic, and America was founded as a Christian nation.
QuoteBasically, they'd have to argue that all other western countries are socialist hellholes and seriously get people to believe it in order to make that sort of attack work.
Americans already believe that anyways.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2019, 11:06:42 PM
Americans already believe that anyways.
I heard that in Canada, there are 20-year lines to get a tooth pulled, criminals in Norway get their own anime pillows and hot chocolate, and that the EU is the new Wehrmacht - but there were good people on both sides, so that makes them at least partially good? Being a conservative is so confusing!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 16, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
I think it's simpler than that for Dems to win the presidency: win back the rust-belt states - they lost 5 out 6 in 2016. Up to now, Biden seems to be the best candidate who could pull that if he can resist falling on his face- he is too prone to make silly blunders but next to Trump, there are mindless.
Send more jobs to China, support Emperor Xi ... that isn't how you win votes outside of the Hollywood Illuminati. Of course the Republicans are equally guilty. But the people aren't ready to blame both parties, not ready to dump both to be Independent.
Oh, and denigrate guns and Bibles. Dems know how to win one-party states vote were there is only one person running. No wonder they love China and the EU.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2019, 11:06:42 PM
Americans already believe that anyways.
Don't promote utopias what can never match marketing. The customer will end up disappointed. Politics is the art of lying, and getting your opponent to take "all" the blame.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 15, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
It would be ok if he attacked their policies - fair game for politicians - it's another thing when he attacks their nativity, citizenship or the color of their skins. Because this is red meat for his supporters who still worship the ground he walks on he gets away with it. This disgusting show from the White House will continue and probably will get worst until the majority is so fed up they get to vote him out.
MY PREDICTION: the worst one and half years to go. Trump madness will increase exponentially.
Actually, Rep Green may finally force the House to vote for impeachment. Sounds like he should be the Dem nominee. As I have said before, impeachment isn't a criminal or civil law case. It is a third case, that can be filed ... for anything.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2019, 10:19:48 PM
I hate to say it, but I have my doubts I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee. If the choice is between a loose-cannon like Trump or a puppet like Biden... either way I have to walk away with my hands dirty :\.
Hopefully my transfer request will have gone through before that time comes though, and I will no longer be an American citizen that has to worry about that. I guess working for an international corporation isn't all bad...
Finally going overseas? A young man, with the potential for a great adventure. I hope you can. Yes, you will have to work for a living. Just don't join the jihadis. You are a prime example of Trump's recent tweet, in the positive sense.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2019, 11:28:11 PM
I heard that in Canada, there are 20-year lines to get a tooth pulled, criminals in Norway get their own anime pillows and hot chocolate, and that the EU is the new Wehrmacht - but there were good people on both sides, so that makes them at least partially good? Being a conservative is so confusing!
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018
Canada's problem is underinvestment in medical sector, and baby boomer population bulge.
What, so you think you are a conservative? Has your doctor prescribed anything?
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2019, 11:54:41 PM
Finally going overseas? A young man, with the potential for a great adventure. I hope you can. Yes, you will have to work for a living. Just don't join the jihadis. You are a prime example of Trump's recent tweet, in the positive sense.
Canada for now, with the hope of getting citizenship and then using that to hit the UK. From there, depending on what remains of their Euro-status, either Karlsruher, Strasbourg, Switzerland or Spain/Ireland as a back-up.
But my ideal location in Canada is the Winnipeg area, which strikes me as a bit... isolated... from the rest of the world, which is what I want anyways, so maybe just stick around there... and have the option to move north if the world keeps on getting warmer.
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2019, 11:49:38 PM
Don't promote utopias what can never match marketing. The customer will end up disappointed. Politics is the art of lying, and getting your opponent to take "all" the blame.
I know no where is perfect, but they are objectively better which is good enough for me anyways.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2019, 01:17:52 AM
Canada for now, with the hope of getting citizenship and then using that to hit the UK. From there, depending on what remains of their Euro-status, either Karlsruher, Strasbourg, Switzerland or Spain/Ireland as a back-up.
But my ideal location in Canada is the Winnipeg area, which strikes me as a bit... isolated... from the rest of the world, which is what I want anyways, so maybe just stick around there... and have the option to move north if the world keeps on getting warmer.
Portugal didn't work out? So, Winnepeg ... with global warming, watch out for the angry overheated polar bears ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 01:46:08 AM
Portugal didn't work out? So, Winnepeg ... with global warming, watch out for the angry overheated polar bears ;-)
Lisboa has become a major tourist hub, so prices are starting to rise a little too much. Coimbra might still be okay though, and it's a bit more inland... but it get's very hot there. I'm tired of living where the humidity is normally like 65% or more and the temperatures in the summer average 97+.
Manitoba seems to have alot of lakes, rivers, fertile land and is affordable. If we had stores in Calgary that would be even better.
The bar is so low but people will not get up their asses and do something about it. The president, Mitch and many others need to be sacked.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2019, 02:01:22 AM
Lisboa has become a major tourist hub, so prices are starting to rise a little too much. Coimbra might still be okay though, and it's a bit more inland... but it get's very hot there. I'm tired of living where the humidity is normally like 65% or more and the temperatures in the summer average 97+.
Manitoba seems to have alot of lakes, rivers, fertile land and is affordable. If we had stores in Calgary that would be even better.
Ah, you have a point.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 15, 2019, 11:13:00 AM
It would be ok if he attacked their policies - fair game for politicians - it's another thing when he attacks their nativity, citizenship or the color of their skins. Because this is red meat for his supporters who still worship the ground he walks on he gets away with it. This disgusting show from the White House will continue and probably will get worst until the majority is so fed up they get to vote him out.
MY PREDICTION: the worst one and half years to go. Trump madness will increase exponentially.
Pretty much. On the plus side, while this kind of asshattery makes his red-meat base cum all over themselves, it turns off the huge middle swath of voters, who will either stay home, or vote for the Democrat. Either way that spells disaster in the Electoral college -- only about 50,000 votes swung this election, after all. There were four states won by less than 1% -- three of those (Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for 46EV) went to Lord Dampnut, and they're going to be damned hard to nail back down without an unpopular opponent like he had in '16. Certainly none of the current front-runners have as many negatives as Hillary did.
"Certainly none of the current front-runners have as many negatives as Hillary did." ... absolutely correct. There is something basically gauche about President Trump. Little old ladies who have tea at 4pm will clutch their pearls. But my mother (90 at the time) was overjoyed ... she liked rich famous people.
The other problem for Dems is Biden is maybe too old (Hillary's health was not good). But he might be able to pull it off. I wouldn't expect a second term from Biden.
And the Establishment loves close elections, precisely because they are cheaper and easier to swing one way or the other. It is legal to bet on a lot of things in GB. So I suspect a lot of money was made swinging the election in 2000 and 2004, and maybe a lot of money lost with the failure to swing the election in 2008 and 2012. Counting the votes is important, but it is more important who counts the votes (see 2000).
But one of the reasons why Hillary lost, is that the African-Americans love to vote for African-Americans, but she isn't one. So y'all better nominate Kamala Harris. Identity politics is a dragon eating its own tail ... leading to ever narrower appeal.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2019, 01:17:52 AM
Canada for now, with the hope of getting citizenship and then using that to hit the UK. From there, depending on what remains of their Euro-status, either Karlsruher, Strasbourg, Switzerland or Spain/Ireland as a back-up.
But my ideal location in Canada is the Winnipeg area, which strikes me as a bit... isolated... from the rest of the world, which is what I want anyways, so maybe just stick around there... and have the option to move north if the world keeps on getting warmer.
And Good Luck to you. If I were young (too old for Canada to want us) I'd do something like that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 17, 2019, 11:29:50 AM
And Good Luck to you. If I were young (too old for Canada to want us) I'd do something like that.
Nearly took a job in Beijing China in 1989. They didn't like me well enough to interview me, but I think I could have done it. I also looked into a job in Saudi Arabia in 1990, but as things were getting hot then ...
I like Bernie Sanders because I listened to him for years every Friday on Thom Hartmann's "Brunch With Bernie" segment of his show. Bernie hasn't changed his policies in all that time, he's been consistently, uh, consistent. So he's someone I know a lot better than any of the other candidates, and I like the cut of his jib.
"I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I'm not happy if I'm not winning. And I am a whiner. And I'm a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win," Donald J. Trump
So, when Trump whines it's so he can win, but when someone else whines they should go back to their shit-hole country?
Sounds like a tongue twister ... whining winning whining winning ...
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Being a conservative really is confusing. What do these people eat for breakfast, paint chips?
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
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Being a conservative really is confusing. What do these people eat for breakfast, paint chips?
It's not confusing if you consider that Americans who don't like their governments and asylum seekers are in both of these cases dark-skinned people. Trump's supporters are consistent in their racial bias - all non-white are undesirable, if only they would leave or not invade our country. And besides, Trump swears he doesn't have a racial bone in him. He has sworn he won't let the country slide into socialism. You can't be more American than that... oh wait, I forgot to say apple pie in there...
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
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Being a conservative really is confusing. What do these people eat for breakfast, paint chips?
That is very good! People aren't consistent. Get over that ASAP.
No, this goes back to 1960s. "Love it or leave it". Not enough of y'all escaped to Canada. You did stay, and try to elect George McGovern. We had a Greening Of America way back in 1970. It failed. It will fail again, idealism always does. Pragmatism is the only chance you have to not be ridiculous. Centrism is the only way to avoid ideological death wishes. But then Leftism = hatred of your own social group.
Sorry, I don't want Swedes or Finns to come here illegally; for travel or asylum or immigration. The Middle Class Left frequently demonstrate the US would be better off with more hard working Brown folk. The bourgeoisie should be sent to the Gulag. With the people of my generation and later (who all want to be management), I don't expect the yard work or farm work to get done. Thank G-d for Hispanics!
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 18, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
It's not confusing if you consider that Americans who don't like their governments and asylum seekers are in both of these cases dark-skinned people.
So all this is just window-dressing for racist prejudice and discrimination? George Soros got to you too, I see. I mean, how could anyone naturally arrive at the conclusion that Trump and his ilk are out-and-out racists? When's the last time you ever heard them say something that could be considered racist?
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
So all this is just window-dressing for racist prejudice and discrimination? George Soros got to you too, I see. I mean, how could anyone naturally arrive at the conclusion that Trump and his ilk are out-and-out racists? When's the last time you ever heard them say something that could be considered racist?
If you don't want all the central African Ebola victims to move to your town right now, you are racisss.
See, it is funny, CNN is actually adding a commentator, Richard Spencer, who is an actual Nazi.
https://www.salon.com/2019/07/17/cnn-widely-criticized-for-giving-air-time-to-white-supremacist-richard-spencer/
These little people categories like feminist and racist don't even figure in the Deep State game plan. But they do make good gaslighting.
"Ebola Death in Goma, as WHO Declares International Emergency" ... 2 million people in Goma.
Time for Twelve Monkeys ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15s4Y9ffW_o
The mental institution scene reminds me of R vs D.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
So all this is just window-dressing for racist prejudice and discrimination? George Soros got to you too, I see. I mean, how could anyone naturally arrive at the conclusion that Trump and his ilk are out-and-out racists? When's the last time you ever heard them say something that could be considered racist?
Yeah, not a racist bone spur in the bunch! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 18, 2019, 01:17:15 PM
Yeah, not a racist bone spur in the bunch! LOL
The was one being interviewed about Trump's recent arrival in North Carolina (a visit which probably set us back to the Reconstruction Era) and she said that she was glad that Trump was doing something to "get rid of all the Mexicans". They never keep their cards close to their chests. It's like Intelligent Design all over again.
Interesting how anyone from south of the Rio Grande has become a "Mexican" even if they're from Guatemala, El Salvador, or whatever.
Kinda hard to read a map when you can't read.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
The was one being interviewed about Trump's recent arrival in North Carolina (a visit which probably set us back to the Reconstruction Era) and she said that she was glad that Trump was doing something to "get rid of all the Mexicans". They never keep their cards close to their chests. It's like Intelligent Design all over again.
Nope. Not many Mexicans removed. We have millions here legally, who are staying. Illegals from Finland gotta go. Quoting some Southern American person is like quoting old cottage cheese.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 01:55:16 PM
Kinda hard to read a map when you can't read.
Exactly. Average American shouldn't vote either.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-some-Americans-so-bad-at-geography
But this is because geography isn't even taught. Not even Civics 101 (that I had in 9th grade). We can thank Democrat teacher's unions for this.
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Hmmm...
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 18, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
So all this is just window-dressing for racist prejudice and discrimination? George Soros got to you too, I see. I mean, how could anyone naturally arrive at the conclusion that Trump and his ilk are out-and-out racists? When's the last time you ever heard them say something that could be considered racist?
Hum... Trump is a stable genius. It's just that the rest of the world are slow to come to that realization. He can make you believe that white is black, and black is white. Ergo, no racist bone in that thick skull...
Hmmm hmmm good.
Campbell's soup?
Glen Campbell's soup?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrD5nYmEV1E
I didn't much care for Fallon at first, but like a wart, he sorta grew on me...
The impeachment motion was defeated - symbolic, useful or not?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 18, 2019, 09:26:51 PM
The impeachment motion was defeated - symbolic, useful or not?
I give the Dems credit for trying.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 18, 2019, 09:26:51 PM
The impeachment motion was defeated - symbolic, useful or not?
None of the above. The word you're looking for is 'frustrating'. The only thing between the Orange Disaster Area and impeachment is the fact that it can't get past Senator Yertle, Hypocrite from Kentuckyâ€"who would have been at the forefront of an impeachment drive against any Democrat who had done a tenth of the shit Lord Dampnut hasâ€"and his horde of Stepford Wives.
Impeachment is a
political process rather than a
legal process. I'm satisfied that His Accidency's conduct reaches the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' bar, but the political realities are that there's no path to conviction, regardless of the evidence.
There was a Louisiana politician who boasted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Edwards#First_political_comeback:_Edwards_vs._Treen,_1983) that the only way he could fail to be elected was if he were caught "in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy". Republican lockstepism is so far ingrained now that I'm not convinced that even a dead boy or a live goat would be enough for them to turn.
Don't worry, be happy. There can be other impeachment motions. If you are so immature, that you need immediate gratification ... the politics isn't your problem. And yes, the Rethugs could try impeachment, when they retake the House in 2021 ;-) Or more of them could cross the isle before then. But expecting them to support a Dem motion is like expecting Corbyn to suppor May on Brexit.
The Democratic party doesn't exactly negotiate like Corbin Dallas. Maybe Mueller's testimony will accomplish something, if he ever manages to actually give any testimony.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 19, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
The Democratic party doesn't exactly negotiate like Corbin Dallas. Maybe Mueller's testimony will accomplish something, if he ever manages to actually give any testimony.
He will say ... Trump is a reptilian shape shifting alien. Then the Dems will be helpless, because there are no laws agains that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SckOzMYb8_w
Lots of Presidents have faked their religiosity.
Yeah, as Aristotle pointed out, "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
Having the Spartans on your side, even better than the gods. Just ask the Athenians.
First he disavowed now he defends "send her back".
Take that FAKE NEWS.
"I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I'm not happy if I'm not winning. And I am a whiner. And I'm a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win," said Donald J. Trump
So, when Trump whines it's so he can win, but when someone else whines they should go back to their shit-hole country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xms8iV8ae-c
I would be happy if most people would go back to their shit hole countries - Crazy Horse (sarc)
Democrats became the permanent "France 1940" party ... by surrendering on Vietnam, 50 years ago. They are ashamed of winning, and of everything else. Vichy Dems.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 14, 2019, 04:08:54 PM
He is AF permanent troll, and like genital herpes - no one on AF wants talk about it.
Yeah, but he once had so much potential to offer. I remember in my first days here, he could actually offer serious debate and information. People change.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 01:07:02 AM
Yeah, but he once had so much potential to offer. I remember in my first days here, he could actually offer serious debate and information. People change.
Joe and I had an unfortunate falling out. That was before you arrived. He seems better now. You just regurgitate Yankee prejudices.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 01:07:02 AM
Yeah, but he once had so much potential to offer. I remember in my first days here, he could actually offer serious debate and information. People change.
Naw, I saw it from the very beginning - all smoke and mirror.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 20, 2019, 06:36:11 AM
Naw, I saw it from the very beginning - all smoke and mirror.
Smoke and mirrors can be useful. Semaphore?
I grew up thinking that people were rational. Both my parents were and even the religious relatives were )other than a deity) rather fact-oriented. And we all generally stayed by ourselves. So when I went off to college, it was a shock to discover really idiotic peers. I tried to understand their POV as best I could at first, but there came a day when I said to myself "screw this, they are just nutso".
I became convinced that SAT/ACT/IQ tests failed to measure superstitious beliefs. Like the creationists who were convinced that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time, but who knew what the "passing" answers were on tests so they could get degrees.
Those people are among us. They show up politically as those elected representatives who deny climate change and de-fund or deliberately mismanage science agencies. They show up as chanters at political rallies (MAGA hatters, Lock Her Up, and most recently Go Backs). They are the neighbors next door that you don't know well because the first and only time you talked to them, you got a creepy feeling about them.
They are the people who think vaccines are a government plot, who think the moon landings were faked, who think there is a Loch Ness Monster, who think that Noah's Ark is buried in the side of a mountain and the pictures are hidden, and who think there are secret societies that rule the world.
I come here to escape all that. And they are here too...
*sigh*
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 08:18:01 AM
I come here to escape all that. And they are here too...
*sigh*
But here it's easy to ignore the noise. I have a motto - don't feed the troll.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 20, 2019, 08:56:53 AM
But here it's easy to ignore the noise. I have a motto - don't feed the troll.
He's the only game in town too often, sadly...
I have several choices. I can talk to myself. I can talk to my 3 cats. I can come here hoping for rational discussion. I don't get much of the latter sometimes. And while I do love the cats, they do sleep a lot especially at night.
If you and other atheists posted more often, I would prefer to post to you. But sometimes, you take what you can get. And when Baruch is all I can get, I take it. Comprende?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 19, 2019, 07:36:12 PM
"I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I'm not happy if I'm not winning. And I am a whiner. And I'm a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win," said Donald J. Trump
So, when Trump whines it's so he can win, but when someone else whines they should go back to their shit-hole country?
The bigger picture is that Trump knows how to manipulate the media - he's had 40 years of experience. That's why what Omar is doing right now is helping Trump and hurting the Dems. For her own good and that of her party, she should take a step back and go for a long vacation. Why? Because she's getting more headlines than 19 out of those who are trying to win the Democratic nomination. And that's not good. Trump is trying to cast her face as that of the Dems, which is by far not the case. If she were trying to win the nomination then that publicity would be great. But she's not running. And engaging in a dirty fight with Trump, you will lose. Trump is an expert of turning a lost into a win. She's not. She's falling into a trap set by the GOP's, who are demonizing her on Fox News and other right-wing outlets. Like the song says, "You've got to know when to hold them, when to fold them, when to walk away, know when to run..."
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 09:15:14 AM
He's the only game in town too often, sadly...
I have several choices. I can talk to myself. I can talk to my 3 cats. I can come here hoping for rational discussion. I don't get much of the latter sometimes. And while I do love the cats, they do sleep a lot especially at night.
If you and other atheists posted more often, I would prefer to post to you. But sometimes, you take what you can get. And when Baruch is all I can get, I take it. Comprende?
In Italian, it would be, Capice? pronounced as capishhhh...
I hear you. I can only speak for myself. The last two years, I've published 2 books, written a third one, which is in its last stage of revision. I'm hoping to have it published by January 2020. So I've been busy and had little time to post on AF. But you are right, we have too many trolls. I was here in the days when trolls would not fare very well. But with a change of admin/owners, the policy has been to tolerate them, be polite towards them - perfect environment for trolls to flourish. That also has the effect to chase away, discourage those who do seek a more reasonable discourse on a variety of topics. As you aptly said, you take what you can get. But still be choosy as to whom you want to reply.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 20, 2019, 09:16:31 AM
The bigger picture is that Trump knows how to manipulate the media - he's had 40 years of experience. That's why what Omar is doing right now is helping Trump and hurting the Dems. For her own good and that of her party, she should take a step back and go for a long vacation. Why? Because she's getting more headlines than 19 out of those who are trying to win the Democratic nomination. And that's not good. Trump is trying to cast her face as that of the Dems, which is by far not the case. If she were trying to win the nomination then that publicity would be great. But she's not running. And engaging in a dirty fight with Trump, you will lose. Trump is an expert of turning a lost into a win. She's not. She's falling into a trap set by the GOP's, who are demonizing her on Fox News and other right-wing outlets. Like the song says, "You've got to know when to hold them, when to fold them, when to walk away, know when to run..."
I agree completely. Newbies, talented as they are and well-representing their districts, are no match for Trump on the national stage. I am not politically-active in the organized sense (knocking on doors, handing out leaflets, etc) but I do what I can where I can. So I will support almost any Democrat who can beat Trump (no Republican will). But I also want someone who can repair the damage of the past few years domestically and internationally.
For now, that's Biden. The World would welcome him. I'm not ignoring Warren. I bet she could stand toe to toe with Putin and Xi, and she has a lot of good ideas. But "The World" would trust Biden more and we need that now.
If it was just a domestic election, I would go with Warren.
My best hope would be a one term Biden Presidency with Warren as VP and President after that for 2 terms.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 20, 2019, 09:32:02 AM
In Italian, it would be, Capice? pronounced as capishhhh...
I hear you. I can only speak for myself. The last two years, I've published 2 books, written a third one, which is in its last stage of revision. I'm hoping to have it published by January 2020. So I've been busy and had little time to post on AF. But you are right, we have too many trolls. I was here in the days when trolls would not fare very well. But with a change of admin/owners, the policy has been to tolerate them, be polite towards them - perfect environment for trolls to flourish. That also has the effect to chase away, discourage those who do seek a more reasonable discourse on a variety of topics. As you aptly said, you take what you can get. But still be choosy as to whom you want to reply.
It gets a bit Espanol around here, not much Italian. I understand your point, though. The 'Ignore" feature seems to be offline or I would use it to avoid temptation.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 09:15:14 AM
He's the only game in town too often, sadly...
I have several choices. I can talk to myself. I can talk to my 3 cats. I can come here hoping for rational discussion. I don't get much of the latter sometimes. And while I do love the cats, they do sleep a lot especially at night.
If you and other atheists posted more often, I would prefer to post to you. But sometimes, you take what you can get. And when Baruch is all I can get, I take it. Comprende?
Yes, as I said before. The regulars can get off their lazy asses.
Joe ... I still don't like you. Not the only person I dislike here. But that isn't why I come here. I am posting "likes" on your stuff if you don't mind. I don't have to ignore ... when someone posts an obvious idiocy, I just guffaw behind the screen.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
I agree completely. Newbies, talented as they are and well-representing their districts, are no match for Trump on the national stage. I am not politically-active in the organized sense (knocking on doors, handing out leaflets, etc) but I do what I can where I can. So I will support almost any Democrat who can beat Trump (no Republican will). But I also want someone who can repair the damage of the past few years domestically and internationally.
For now, that's Biden. The World would welcome him. I'm not ignoring Warren. I bet she could stand toe to toe with Putin and Xi, and she has a lot of good ideas. But "The World" would trust Biden more and we need that now.
If it was just a domestic election, I would go with Warren.
My best hope would be a one term Biden Presidency with Warren as VP and President after that for 2 terms.
Biden will get a second chance against Kamala in the next debate. We will see of what stuff he's made of. It may very well be a make or break... for either of these two.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 20, 2019, 02:27:53 PM
Biden will get a second chance against Kamala in the next debate. We will see of what stuff he's made of. It may very well be a make or break... for either of these two.
Possibly. But it's really only "make or break" for those at the bottom of the polls. Those in the top tier of polls and donations will continue. If they choose. Some will decide to seek other offices and some may leave thinking their chance of a VP or Cabinet job are better if they leave the race and endorse a winner before the first primaries.
And there is the matter of casting Trump out of office (and while some legal charges are possible). SOME candidates might allow that they would be better off with a candidate they generally agree with just for that. I just mean that there are a few dedicated idealist in the race.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
Possibly. But it's really only "make or break" for those at the bottom of the polls. Those in the top tier of polls and donations will continue. If they choose. Some will decide to seek other offices and some may leave thinking their chance of a VP or Cabinet job are better if they leave the race and endorse a winner before the first primaries.
And there is the matter of casting Trump out of office (and while some legal charges are possible). SOME candidates might allow that they would be better off with a candidate they generally agree with just for that. I just mean that there are a few dedicated idealist in the race.
Or just do 1861 all over again. It is the Dem way.
Damn, this is starting to get even more scary!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJnWFt6pp_s
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 20, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
Damn, this is starting to get even more scary!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJnWFt6pp_s
Good. Maybe US citizens illegally helping? Most of us are escaped felons (were did GB send felons before Australia was available?).
The problem is sanctuary cities. If the IRS is asked to enforce, it will get much worse. IRS doesn't mess around ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 04:47:22 PM
Good. Maybe US citizens illegally helping? Most of us are escaped felons (were did GB send felons before Australia was available?).
The problem is sanctuary cities. If the IRS is asked to enforce, it will get much worse. IRS doesn't mess around ;-(
My ancestors weren't felons, I will have you know!
They were serfs, under the Norman French Viking sword...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 06:50:20 PM
My ancestors weren't felons, I will have you know!
They were serfs, under the Norman French Viking sword...
Even "gentlemen adventurers" who came, were the riff riff of the old world. Indentured servants before dentures were invented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF4YvnbfBWg
Hahah ... cucks will develop dicks? Not likely.
That is so close to actual sedition, I expect arrests.
Dems double down, to infinity and beyond!
Dems = We aren't like the pre-1970 Dems (while firing on Ft Sumter).
Dems = We aren't like the pre-1861 Dems (while destroying Black families with a welfare system which encourage Black men to abandon their families)
Dems = We are 1960s pacifists (while cheering on the destruction of Ukraine, Libya, Syria and Yemen).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3zw3Od-8KU
Well, the American experiment was good while it lasted, but the rich won't let in continue. The Constitution is the only thing that makes America a nation, and once it's gone the land and people will still be here, but it won't be America any more, whatever it's called. The wealthy hate any restrictions on their ability to rape the world and it's people, so they'll do whatever it takes to gat absolute power and control.
The US Constitution was written by and for the rich ... rich traitors. It wasn't written for the little people, or the slaves on the Washington or Jefferson plantations.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 21, 2019, 07:53:15 PM
Well, the American experiment was good while it lasted, but the rich won't let in continue. The Constitution is the only thing that makes America a nation, and once it's gone the land and people will still be here, but it won't be America any more, whatever it's called. The wealthy hate any restrictions on their ability to rape the world and it's people, so they'll do whatever it takes to gat absolute power and control.
The founding father were fully aware that democracy is a fragile thing - they knew that historically both Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome had experiment with democracy, which devolved in both cases into a tyrant taking absolute power. SCOTUS and Congress were designed as oversights to the executive branch. They also assumed a well informed population and a free press as another check. No doubt that Trump is testing the system on every front. But it's not over until the fat lady sings...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 22, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
The founding father were fully aware that democracy is a fragile thing - they knew that historically both Ancient Athens and Ancient Rome had experiment with democracy, which devolved in both cases into a tyrant taking absolute power. SCOTUS and Congress were designed as oversights to the executive branch. They also assumed a well informed population and a free press as another check. No doubt that Trump is testing the system on every front. But it's not over until the fat lady sings...
John Locke, and Aristotle before him ... were the inspiration. Thank G-d Karl Marx wasn't born yet, and Rousseau hadn't made an impression (except on Jefferson).
(https://i.redd.it/g7qfu1wlsqb31.jpg)
Colorado State just banned "American" as triggering.
Got a source for that?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
Got a source for that?
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/education/2019/07/19/colorado-state-university-america-american-inclusive-language-guide/1778140001/
On a preliminary draft, they wanted to encourage people to say US citizen instead of American to avoid confusion with people who live in the Americas who aren't US citizens (Cubans, Jamacians, etc). They ultimately decided against it and the current guide doesn't have any recommendation for or against saying American.
Clearly, the vanguard of a sinister SJW agenda sweeping the country.
As usual, Braugh or whatever is talking out of his ass with literal fake news from hack right wing sources.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 22, 2019, 01:37:39 PM
Clearly, the vanguard of a sinister SJW agenda sweeping the country.
Oh, good, the country's in a bit of a mess, and could use a good sweeping. ;-)
And Berzerkely wants to ban male-centric terms like "manhole" and "man-made." Man, that's really going to
mangle the language.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-manholes-maintenance-berkeley-adopts-gender-neutral-language-code-20190718-jl6dwfmay5aencapgnpychdvji-story.html
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2019, 01:44:59 PM
Oh, good, the country's in a bit of a mess, and could use a good sweeping. ;-)
And Berzerkely wants to ban male-centric terms like "manhole" and "man-made."
Imo, that's kind of stupid. I mean, who's harmed by just calling it a manhole? And aren't there bigger issues to deal with? I wish I had that kind of time on my hands.
But if I had to choose between concentration camps and calling manholes maintainance holes, I'm a bit more partial to agenda 2. It's just a bit less dystopian, lol.
(https://i.redd.it/ec5tyugumub31.jpg)
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/504/460/6d2.png)
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 22, 2019, 03:20:28 PM
Imo, that's kind of stupid. I mean, who's harmed by just calling it a manhole? And aren't there bigger issues to deal with? I wish I had that kind of time on my hands.
But if I had to choose between concentration camps and calling manholes maintainance holes, I'm a bit more partial to agenda 2. It's just a bit less dystopian, lol.
Yeah, I agree, but "manhole" does kind of sound like a gay porn flick...
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 22, 2019, 03:20:28 PM
Imo, that's kind of stupid. I mean, who's harmed by just calling it a manhole? And aren't there bigger issues to deal with? I wish I had that kind of time on my hands.
But if I had to choose between concentration camps and calling manholes maintainance holes, I'm a bit more partial to agenda 2. It's just a bit less dystopian, lol.
That's how they get you though, have your focus shifted to the internment camps so much they can make ridiculous changes to the status quo behind your back.
What happens if Mueller testifying in front of the judiciary committee incriminates the President of high crimes and misdemeanor? Will the Dems have enough gumption to follow through with impeachment proceedings?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 22, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
What happens if Mueller testifying in front of the judiciary committee incriminates the President of high crimes and misdemeanor?
That would be really bad for him.
QuoteWill the Dems have enough gumption to follow through with impeachment proceedings?
Let me put it this way, if the Dems were playing blackjack and got an ace and a jack, they'd fold. (The Republicans would hit)
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 22, 2019, 01:44:59 PM
Oh, good, the country's in a bit of a mess, and could use a good sweeping. ;-)
And Berzerkely wants to ban male-centric terms like "manhole" and "man-made." Man, that's really going to mangle the language.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-manholes-maintenance-berkeley-adopts-gender-neutral-language-code-20190718-jl6dwfmay5aencapgnpychdvji-story.html
Yes. Send all college students to work study in Vietnam (no war now, so better than in 1969). Send all Dem officials to Venezuela.
Quote from: Munch on July 22, 2019, 04:33:31 PM
That's how they get you though, have your focus shifted to the internment camps so much they can make ridiculous changes to the status quo behind your back.
Your people (and my ancestors) were in several English Civil Wars. Are you still fighting Cavaliers vs Roundheads?
KKK is a dog whistle, they haven't been important for 50 years. The Yankees are scum, then and now. Burn down their cities. Remember Atlanta.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 22, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
What happens if Mueller testifying in front of the judiciary committee incriminates the President of high crimes and misdemeanor? Will the Dems have enough gumption to follow through with impeachment proceedings?
He may or may not. If he says that Trump is a little green man from Mars ... well, we will know why the investigation went astray, won't we?
The Dems can impeach Donald Trump anytime, for any reason. It is political. They don't have to have a criminal indictment (anymore than the Republicans needed a criminal indictment against Bill Clinton). Republicans aren't cowards, but they failed in the Senate against Bill Clinton. Dems are cowards. Dems are always ... cowards. Here is a hand grenade ... pull the pin, I dare y'all ;-)
I can't help but think of how many stOOpid questions the Dems will ask Mueller tomorrow. If you were there to ask Mueller ONE question, what would it be? Mine would be, WHY DIDN'T YOU GET TRUMP TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY? From my POV, Trump was given a pass. I have little doubt that such a testimony would have been a game changer.
Many people thought Mueller's report would be the end of Trump's time in office, and now they think Mueller's testimony will be the end, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope they'll at least ask Mueller whether Trump would have been indicted if he weren't president. And why was he not forced to testify under oath? Why was he handled with kid gloves?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5cr6M_ohBg
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Many people thought Mueller's report would be the end of Trump's time in office, and now they think Mueller's testimony will be the end, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope they'll at least ask Mueller whether Trump would have been indicted if he weren't president. And why was he not forced to testify under oath? Why was he handled with kid gloves?
Well, the political realities being what they are -- that you couldn't get enough Republicans in the Senate to vote to convict even if Lord Dampnut admitted to everything and even to a few high crimes and misdemeanors he's not currently suspected of -- the only thing I want out of Mueller's report and testimony is that it turns off enough of His Accidency's 2016 voters to keep him to one term in 2020. Realistically, that's the best we can hope for.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 02:41:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5cr6M_ohBg
Mueller is not going to answer any hypothetical questions (read- stOOpid questions). I don't expect the Dems smart enough to realize this. Definitely, he won't answer questions outside his report - he has already said that, but Dems will ask anyway, wasting their precious time as each member has limited time to ask.
Quote from: trdsf on July 23, 2019, 03:42:33 PM
Well, the political realities being what they are -- that you couldn't get enough Republicans in the Senate to vote to convict even if Lord Dampnut admitted to everything and even to a few high crimes and misdemeanors he's not currently suspected of -- the only thing I want out of Mueller's report and testimony is that it turns off enough of His Accidency's 2016 voters to keep him to one term in 2020. Realistically, that's the best we can hope for.
Regardless of the political reality - that should take second place - if there is evidence of high crimes and misdemeanor, Congress has no choice but to commence impeachment proceedings. Otherwise, you might as well remove the impeachment clause from the constitution. Only Congress can do that, and doing nothing if there is a clear case would be dereliction of duty. And the Dems or the GOP, whichever party has not fulfilled its duty, should be thrown out of office. Impeachment proceedings should not depend on popular support - that's tantamount of trying in court someone of crime depending on whether or not the public approves!! The American public has to decide whether or not this is a country of law and order. If it is not, then it's just another shit-hole country.
If the Democratic House impeaches, and the GOP Senate fails to convict, it will show the whole of America and the world just how far the GOP has sunk, and just what can be expected from them in the future.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 05:35:05 PM
If the Democratic House impeaches, and the GOP Senate fails to convict, it will show the whole of America and the world just how far the GOP has sunk, and just what can be expected from them in the future.
This is the party that has spent nearly two-decades at this point fighting tooth and nail against programs to help 9/11 first responders. The bar cant really sink any further than that.
Oh, you think not? Just wait and see.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Many people thought Mueller's report would be the end of Trump's time in office, and now they think Mueller's testimony will be the end, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope they'll at least ask Mueller whether Trump would have been indicted if he weren't president. And why was he not forced to testify under oath? Why was he handled with kid gloves?
CIA gave Trump a pass.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 23, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
Regardless of the political reality - that should take second place - if there is evidence of high crimes and misdemeanor, Congress has no choice but to commence impeachment proceedings. Otherwise, you might as well remove the impeachment clause from the constitution. Only Congress can do that, and doing nothing if there is a clear case would be dereliction of duty. And the Dems or the GOP, whichever party has not fulfilled its duty, should be thrown out of office. Impeachment proceedings should not depend on popular support - that's tantamount of trying in court someone of crime depending on whether or not the public approves!! The American public has to decide whether or not this is a country of law and order. If it is not, then it's just another shit-hole country.
Idealistic. I would (purely on politics) impeach every POTUS, VPOTUS and SCOTUS. They are all guilty of seeking power. And the loosing party in each case would indict.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 05:35:05 PM
If the Democratic House impeaches, and the GOP Senate fails to convict, it will show the whole of America and the world just how far the GOP has sunk, and just what can be expected from them in the future.
Yep, and the Dems failed to impeach Bill Clinton (sarc) ... Republicans controlled both houses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton
Bill Clinton was a saint compared to Trump.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 07:23:17 PM
Bill Clinton was a saint compared to Trump.
Opinion. Y'all just want to have a love fest with naked Bill.
Yeah, but Bill Nye, not Bill Clinton.
:-P
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Yeah, but Bill Nye, not Bill Clinton.
:-P
No, you want to drive Billy Nye's grass car.
(http://cap-news.com/stories/2009/200908/200908004a.jpg)
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 23, 2019, 05:23:01 PM
Regardless of the political reality - that should take second place - if there is evidence of high crimes and misdemeanor, Congress has no choice but to commence impeachment proceedings. Otherwise, you might as well remove the impeachment clause from the constitution. Only Congress can do that, and doing nothing if there is a clear case would be dereliction of duty. And the Dems or the GOP, whichever party has not fulfilled its duty, should be thrown out of office. Impeachment proceedings should not depend on popular support - that's tantamount of trying in court someone of crime depending on whether or not the public approves!! The American public has to decide whether or not this is a country of law and order. If it is not, then it's just another shit-hole country.
I do agree with all of the above. But my fears suggest this country is really the United States of Corporation with Nazi CEO's running all. After Trump wins the 2020 election that will be the end of this country as I had thought it would be--it will be controlled totally by white nazi rulers.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 23, 2019, 08:24:44 PM
I do agree with all of the above. But my fears suggest this country is really the United States of Corporation with Nazi CEO's running all. After Trump wins the 2020 election that will be the end of this country as I had thought it would be--it will be controlled totally by white nazi rulers.
You could have remained a crown colony, but nooo ...
All Dems = Stalin
All Repub = Hitler
That is why I say, the only two politicians worth studying over the last 200 years are those two. As a warning.
One of the things the Dems should do tomorrow is to read passages directly from the report, especially where there is evidence of obstruction, and asked Mueller for further clarification. It's probably the only way the public will ever "hear" what's in the report. What they have been hearing so far is NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION, and COMPLETE EXONERATION. But what I suspect is that the members of the committee will be doing is for themselves -promote themselves in every twisted way. We should turn this into a drinking game - every time they screw it, we take a shot. Hmm... I don't think I'll last half past nine (ET)...
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 23, 2019, 05:35:05 PM
If the Democratic House impeaches, and the GOP Senate fails to convict, it will show the whole of America and the world just how far the GOP has sunk, and just what can be expected from them in the future.
It's more likely that if the House impeaches and the Senate fails to convict, the GOP runs on "the Democrats are wasting our time and money" and the Idiot-In-Chief runs on "COMPLETELY EXONERATED!!1!"
No, the place where the ethical shortcomings and temper tantrums have to fester right now is in the minds of the swing voters. The 2020 election is already shaping up to be a referendum on Lord Dampnut's behavior -- or if the Democratic National Committee has half a functioning braincell among them, if fucking well should be shaping up that way.
Yes, of course, there's more than enough already on the table to impeach
and convict... but we don't live in a perfect world. All we can do is manipulate the broken one we're in as best we can until it's less broken. We need to get to that less broken place first, before we can expect rationality to be involved in decisionmaking.
Even so, I am proud of my local Congresswoman, who voted for the recent impeachment motion. Because even if it's tactically wrong, it's factually correct.
The tactic of reading the Mueller Report ... it is pretty long, so as long as they are doing that boredom, they won't be doing any other damage to the US.
Quote from: Baruch on July 24, 2019, 02:34:24 AM
The tactic of reading the Mueller Report ... it is pretty long, so as long as they are doing that boredom, they won't be doing any other damage to the US.
Ive read it partly.....it's 45 pages and long enough
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 24, 2019, 05:58:48 AM
Ive read it partly.....it's 45 pages and long enough
One sentence by Mueller ... "I failed in the hatchet job assigned to me by Hillary Clinton".
In front of the judiciary committee: Mueller was nullified. Score one for Trump.
Back to the comments several pages back. It's not that 140 million people support Trump, its that they are free to unleash 60 years of pretend non-racism that totally pisses me off. Back to the 60's
Besides Adam Schiff being eloquent and spot on, the intelligent committee was ineffective. Mueller seemed to be so constrained and reluctant to testify, that he came off as if he was inebriated.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 24, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
In front of the judiciary committee: Mueller was nullified. Score one for Trump.
Not really. I don't think he was drunk. He supported his report, what he could remember of it. Seems he is over the hill, but for how many months now? His rabid guard dog all-Dem legal subordinates must have written the final report. Suffering the effects of old age myself, I have nothing for sympathy for Mueller.
Quote from: aitm on July 24, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
Back to the comments several pages back. It's not that 140 million people support Trump, its that they are free to unleash 60 years of pretend non-racism that totally pisses me off. Back to the 60's
Who started it first? Drugs, Acid-Rock, Riots, Protests, Treason ... good times.
All White males are racists and misogynists (per Marxism). Given that I don't support Marxism, I don't support those definitions. Communist bigotry. Had the 60s been now, I would have sent all your seditious assess to Paris Island for proper training (and detox). A salute to those who post here who did serve ... even if it was no fun. Wasn't fun for my older relatives either.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 24, 2019, 03:48:37 PM
Besides Adam Schiff being eloquent and spot on, the intelligent committee was ineffective. Mueller seemed to be so constrained and reluctant to testify, that he came off as if he was inebriated.
I thought he came off as cautious and -- certainly in comparison to the shrieking madman with a Twitter account -- calm, serious and rational. He said he didn't want to testify, and he testified as little as possible. It is my hope that swing voters will look at that and compare it to the extreme hyperbole (and genuine slander) coming out of the White House. What the Democrats (and Republicans) did is of no relevance; Mueller first and foremost did
not come off as a Witchfinder General, but as a hypercautious investigator.
Certainly the Republican members did themselves no favors either; if they had a point, then they did not need to shout and pound the table, and bitching about Mueller's investigation in the wake of their deliberate dragging out of the Benghazi and email "investigations" (which have been admitted to be about hurting Hillary (https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/256982-gop-lawmaker-benghazi-probe-designed-to-go-after-hillary) rather than actually looking for the truth of the matter) -- not to mention Whitewater, of which even Ken Starr had to admit there was no 'there' there -- can only come off as supreme hypocrisy.
Too bad Bill Clinton hasn't gotten AIDS ... would serve him right. That would be worse than conviction after impeachment.
Of course both sides are claiming a win, while nothing that was revealed will move the needle. However I do hope the committees will subpoena witnesses such as McGahn and Lewandowski for the case in which Trump tried to impede the Mueller investigation, then did everything to cover that up. Where there's smoke there's fire.
Now all Trump needs is someone to make a movie called "TRiUMPh of the Will."
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 24, 2019, 10:51:58 PM
Now all Trump needs is someone to make a movie called "TRiUMPh of the Will."
Hillary starring in Sergei Eisenstein movies ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMWMq4AEyjU
Vladimir Putin strikes again?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 24, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
Of course both sides are claiming a win, while nothing that was revealed will move the needle. However I do hope the committees will subpoena witnesses such as McGahn and Lewandowski for the case in which Trump tried to impede the Mueller investigation, then did everything to cover that up. Where there's smoke there's fire.
It's not the sides that matter â€" the hard-core Democratic and Republican bases are not going to move over this, no.
It's the ones in the middle that count, the swing voters that basically voted
against Hillary more than they did
for Himself. The ones that are going to decide next year's election. These aren't the people chanting 'build the wall' or 'lock her up' or 'send them back'. They're the ones who thought, "Well, hell, let's just go with a complete outsider and see what happens," and most of them aren't pleased with what's happened since. They're the ones who were just tired of having seen a Bush or a Clinton in one phase or another of seven out of the last ten Presidential races -- eight if you want to count Bill's nominating speech (disastrous though it was) at the '88 Democratic Convention.
And
they're the ones who are going to compare the overcautious Federal investigator with the shrieking lunatic, and decide who's more credible.
Quote from: trdsf on July 25, 2019, 03:44:20 AM
It's not the sides that matter â€" the hard-core Democratic and Republican bases are not going to move over this, no.
It's the ones in the middle that count, the swing voters that basically voted against Hillary more than they did for Himself. The ones that are going to decide next year's election. These aren't the people chanting 'build the wall' or 'lock her up' or 'send them back'. They're the ones who thought, "Well, hell, let's just go with a complete outsider and see what happens," and most of them aren't pleased with what's happened since. They're the ones who were just tired of having seen a Bush or a Clinton in one phase or another of seven out of the last ten Presidential races -- eight if you want to count Bill's nominating speech (disastrous though it was) at the '88 Democratic Convention.
And they're the ones who are going to compare the overcautious Federal investigator with the shrieking lunatic, and decide who's more credible.
As a swing voter, I hope to see both sides hang. Compromise means the end of both major parties which are a century obsolete.
There have been so many transgressions by this president - conspiracy, obstruction of justice, campaign financial violations, the violations of the foreign emoluments clause, notwithstanding his multiple crass attacks on individuals - that if Trump can't be impeached then what this means is that the impeachment clause is DEAD. And future presidents will do whatever without any consequences.
Trump says that Article two of the Constitution gives him the authority to do whatever he wants to do as president. Of course, it says nothing of the kind, but Trump's fan club has likely never read the Constitution, so they believe him when he says that.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 25, 2019, 09:47:20 AM
There have been so many transgressions by this president - conspiracy, obstruction of justice, campaign financial violations, the violations of the foreign emoluments clause, notwithstanding his multiple crass attacks on individuals - that if Trump can't be impeached then what this means is that the impeachment clause is DEAD. And future presidents will do whatever without any consequences.
Did you support the impeachment of Nixon or Clinton? Just asking. I supported both. Given the eventual revelations of JFK satyr activity, I would have supported his impeachment too .. an older version of Clinton.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2019, 01:26:47 PM
Trump says that Article two of the Constitution gives him the authority to do whatever he wants to do as president. Of course, it says nothing of the kind, but Trump's fan club has likely never read the Constitution, so they believe him when he says that.
Dems say ... Constitution supports removal of guns, of religion, establishment of tyranny. They are ignorant.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2019, 01:26:47 PM
Trump says that Article two of the Constitution gives him the authority to do whatever he wants to do as president. Of course, it says nothing of the kind, but Trump's fan club has likely never read the Constitution, so they believe him when he says that.
"Section 3 of Article Two...requires the president to obey and enforce all laws, though the president retains some discretion in interpreting the laws and determining how to enforce them." This gives him a lot of power, but it's not unlimited as he is required to "obey... all laws."
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 25, 2019, 09:47:20 AM
There have been so many transgressions by this president - conspiracy, obstruction of justice, campaign financial violations, the violations of the foreign emoluments clause, notwithstanding his multiple crass attacks on individuals - that if Trump can't be impeached then what this means is that the impeachment clause is DEAD. And future presidents will do whatever without any consequences.
For the foreseeable future, probably â€" certainly it's moribund as long as IOKIYAR is operative. However, if a ton of indictments come down the afternoon of January 20, 2021, that's probably as good a deterrent because all Congress can do is throw you out of office. A Federal judge can throw you in jail.
I hear Trump's buddy Epstein got injured in jail, whether by his own hand or someone else, I don't know yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwV_YK_jRwc
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 25, 2019, 03:19:36 PM
"Section 3 of Article Two...requires the president to obey and enforce all laws, though the president retains some discretion in interpreting the laws and determining how to enforce them." This gives him a lot of power, but it's not unlimited as he is required to "obey... all laws."
Correct. But executive privilege (there is competition between three branches, and between Feds and states). All three attempting to interpret the law. See President Jackson ...
Immediately following the landmark decision of Worcester v. Georgia, 31 U.S. (6 Pet.) 515 [1832], by the United States Supreme Court, then president Andrew Jackson reportedly said, “[Chief Justice] John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.â€
I think President Jefferson had similar views. It is not true (relative to British Parliament) that the Executive is simply the lackey of the Legislature. I find GB sufficiently familiar, and yet different, to be fascinating.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2019, 07:10:00 PM
I hear Trump's buddy Epstein got injured in jail, whether by his own hand or someone else, I don't know yet.
Why would you know? Did you beat him up? Pedophiles don't fare well in any jail.
The "beating" may have been self-inflicted, as a ploy to get out on bail. Or not.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2019, 07:12:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwV_YK_jRwc
The least fake thing to come out of the White House for some time.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 25, 2019, 07:51:58 PM
The "beating" may have been self-inflicted, as a ploy to get out on bail. Or not.
Now that is cynical! Everyone is Smollett.
Impeachment has nothing to do with a subsequent criminal indictment. That's why Nixon needed a pardon from Ford.
Quote from: Minimalist on July 25, 2019, 08:38:29 PM
Impeachment has nothing to do with a subsequent criminal indictment. That's why Nixon needed a pardon from Ford.
A successful conviction in the Senate, could be used to push a subsequent civll suit. That is available also, not just criminal indictment. But when are all the known indictable offenses going to drop on the Dems? The Obama administration (like the previous one) is guilty of war crimes before The Hague. Those are more serious than the domestic abuses.
Quote from: Minimalist on July 25, 2019, 08:38:29 PM
Impeachment has nothing to do with a subsequent criminal indictment. That's why Nixon needed a pardon from Ford.
I thought pardons could only be granted after a person has been found guilty pf the crime they're being pardoned for. If so, how could Ford have pardoned Nixon? Was that a legal pardon?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
I thought pardons could only be granted after a person has been found guilty pf the crime they're being pardoned for. If so, how could Ford have pardoned Nixon? Was that a legal pardon?
i recall that Presidential pardon is unlimited in power. It was contested over Nixon for the reasons you mentioned. So yes, you can't pardon yourself, but a subsequent President (current VP) could pardon him, just as Ford did for Nixon.
Pro-Trump Republican aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar charged with felony theft (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/danielle-stella-republican-ilhan-omar-charged-felony-qanon-trump)
QuoteExclusive: Danielle Stella, reported to support baseless QAnon conspiracy theory, held twice this year over alleged shoplifting
Are there
any Republicans who aren't criminals?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
Pro-Trump Republican aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar charged with felony theft (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/danielle-stella-republican-ilhan-omar-charged-felony-qanon-trump)
Are there any Republicans who aren't criminals?
that is called a rhetorical question.
Yeah, it's one of those things that goes without saying...
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
Pro-Trump Republican aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar charged with felony theft (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/danielle-stella-republican-ilhan-omar-charged-felony-qanon-trump)
Are there any Republicans who aren't criminals?
No. There are no Americans who aren't criminals. Just ask the British. If we were Roman, it would be competitive assassinations.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 05:44:22 PM
Pro-Trump Republican aiming to unseat Ilhan Omar charged with felony theft (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/25/danielle-stella-republican-ilhan-omar-charged-felony-qanon-trump)
Are there any Republicans who aren't criminals?
The only difference between the Republicans and Trump is that Trump says out loud in public what Republicans used to say behind closed doors or in public using dog-whistle language.
Wow, SCOTUS has just ruled in favor of Trump - he can now re-appropriate money from the military to build his wall. Congress used to have the power of the purse - no longer the case. The US has taken one more step towards a banana republic.
More like a banana split republic...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 26, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
Wow, SCOTUS has just ruled in favor of Trump - he can now re-appropriate money from the military to build his wall. Congress used to have the power of the purse - no longer the case. The US has taken one more step towards a banana republic.
We have been a banana republic for 100 years, ever since we did the bidding of United Fruit in Latin America. See Smedley Butler.
Quote from: Minimalist on July 25, 2019, 08:38:29 PM
Impeachment has nothing to do with a subsequent criminal indictment. That's why Nixon needed a pardon from Ford.
And even if the federal prosecutors are gun shy, there are a number of state prosecutors who are ready to have a go.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 08:14:12 PM
More like a banana split republic...
What's more disheartening is that the vast majority of Americans don't care. Compare to the French who went to the streets with their yellow jackets protesting their government for "months" because they felt their way of life was threatened, Americans seem to be like zombies on auto-pilot. Sure you can say there has been an erosion on our institutions over the years, but what's happening is more like IED's thrown in our face, but we take it as just another day.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 27, 2019, 08:27:07 AM
What's more disheartening is that the vast majority of Americans don't care. Compare to the French who went to the streets with their yellow jackets protesting their government for "months" because they felt their way of life was threatened, Americans seem to be like zombies on auto-pilot. Sure you can say there has been an erosion on our institutions over the years, but what's happening is more like IED's thrown in our face, but we take it as just another day.
i would love to see an ongoing protest movement. Like Yellow Vests. But what happened to Occupy? Why did they fold so quickly? Because they were a false flag operation, controlled opposition?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 26, 2019, 02:24:41 PM
I thought pardons could only be granted after a person has been found guilty pf the crime they're being pardoned for. If so, how could Ford have pardoned Nixon? Was that a legal pardon?
The business end of the pardon is as follows:
Quote from: Gerald Ford
Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
Emphasis added. Ford's initial justification was his interpretation of
Burdick v. United States, which was that accepting a pardon carried an implicit admission of guilt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States#Later_use). This is not a universally accepted analysis of that particular decision, though.
However, Ford later provided this explanation of events (https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/29/washington/29pardon.html):
Quote from: Gerald Ford
In a 2004 interview with Bob Woodward, reported Thursday night on The Washington Post’s Web site, Mr. Ford offered another, less lofty motive for the pardon: his friendship with Nixon, which lasted for two decades after the pardon and which letters show was closer than publicly understood.
“I had no hesitancy about granting the pardon,†Mr. Ford told Mr. Woodward, “because I felt that we had this relationship and that I didn’t want to see my real friend have the stigma.â€
Alexander Haig is known to have put out feelers for a
quid pro quo -- Nixon resigns in exchange for a pardon. Ford claimed to have sent Haig back to Nixon's people with 'no recommendation' for Nixon's next move; Nixon resigned one week later. No one has admitted to any formal agreement regarding a pardon, but it's hard to imagine there wasn't some sort of understanding.
Yet Japan, at that time (70s) not only managed to depose a PM (Tanaka), but imprison him too.
Another diversion from Trump on rep. Cummings. Of course the media and the Dems fell for it focusing on Trump's racism, when the real focus should be on Cummings' oversight committee looking into Trump's finances. Trump must be patting himself on the shoulder. When will the media start to recognize a bait-and-switch??
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 28, 2019, 04:25:04 PM
Another diversion from Trump on rep. Cummings. Of course the media and the Dems fell for it focusing on Trump's racism, when the real focus should be on Cummings' oversight committee looking into Trump's finances. Trump must be patting himself on the shoulder. When will the media start to recognize a bait-and-switch??
All Republicans are Nazis? Really? It was CNN that recently invited Richard Spencer on their TDS show. All Republicans are Southerners? Well, after the Southern Strategy, Republicans in name only, went south and took over a lot of George Wallace caucuses. Stupid opportunism I think. Republicans should have remained liberal and pro-business, like Donald Trump ;-)
And yes, unfortunately a lot of Dem run cities are shitholes, just like Labor run cities in the UK. Socialism breeds parasitism and barbarism. Detroit is America's Venezuela. And Chicago and Washington DC are heading the same way. I don't think this has to do with skin color or IQ.
So what if I called some person stupid ... because they are. But they happen to be colored or a woman or a gay person. Does that make me racist/misogynist/homophobic? No, I am simply able to see thru liberal hypocrisy.
Another buzzfeed news detailing how Russian Trolls used social media starting in 2014:
"....The IRA (Russia’s Internet Research Agency) was able to reach up to 126 million Americans on Facebook via a mixture of fraudulent accounts, groups, and advertisements, the report says. Twitter accounts it created were portrayed as real American voices by major news outlets. It was even able to hold real-life rallies, mobilizing hundreds of people at a time in major cities like Philadelphia and Miami. Fake online personas were able to communicate with members of the Trump campaign â€" who were unaware they were ever communicating with foreign nationals....."
"...By 2016, according to Mueller’s findings, the IRA was becoming increasingly interested in mobilizing its followers physically. It was buying ads to organize anti-Clinton flash mobs and building pro-Trump photo challenges.
One of the most unsettling things in Thursday’s report (the Mueller report) are the details about how successful Russia-controlled social media accounts became at actually organizing political rallies. First, they would use spoofed accounts on Facebook or Twitter to announce an event. Then they’d privately message the event to real users, asking them if they could attend. Then if they got a bite, they’d assign one of these real people to be the event coordinator. Usually, the Russian troll would make up some excuse as to why they couldn’t personally attend, according to the report....."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/mueller-report-internet-research-agency-detailed-2016 (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/mueller-report-internet-research-agency-detailed-2016)
Intelligence Chief resigns, this has nothing to do with Russian meddling (https://www.businessinsider.com/dni-dan-coats-quit-white-house-suppressed-russia-warnings-nyt-2019-7)
QuoteCoats saw Russia as an adversary to the US, The Times wrote, and pushed for closer cooperation with European countries to counter it, but the White House did not agree.
"A different team makes for different allies" - anonymous
The troubling thing is that the adults are leaving (McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, and now Coats) and are replaced by sycophants.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
Intelligence Chief resigns, this has nothing to do with Russian meddling (https://www.businessinsider.com/dni-dan-coats-quit-white-house-suppressed-russia-warnings-nyt-2019-7)
"A different team makes for different allies" - anonymous
Anyone today, who sees Russians under their bed, are tools being used by British Intelligence. Like Professor Mifsud. I love the Brits, but I don't want to be their bitch.
I will be glad to see the collapse of Nato. But sorry to see the negative consequences of the collapse of European Socialism aka EUSR. Maybe not this year, but eventually. In all political economics, you can deny reality, but not escape the consequences of denying reality. GB was nearly destroyed in 1940 ... and has repeatedly attempted suicide since then.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 28, 2019, 04:25:04 PM
Another diversion from Trump on rep. Cummings. Of course the media and the Dems fell for it focusing on Trump's racism, when the real focus should be on Cummings' oversight committee looking into Trump's finances. Trump must be patting himself on the shoulder. When will the media start to recognize a bait-and-switch??
"Democrat Baltimore Mayor Confirms Trump's Comments: "Oh My God, You Can Smell The Rats, Dead Animals"" ... not just Baltimore. But I hope that every municipality is run into the ground, turned into Mumbai/Kolkata ... by the Third World Socialism of the Democrats. May every US city become Detroit.
Democrat plan .. make every place into a slum, so that per Charles Dickens, the victims will be attracted to the false compassion of the Victorian hypocrisy and vote accordingly.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 29, 2019, 11:32:02 AM
The troubling thing is that the adults are leaving (McMaster, Mattis, Tillerson, and now Coats) and are replaced by sycophants.
Ah yes, the kind of folks who promote the warmongering of George W and Barak. Why have Democrats returned to the vomit of imperialism? Dogs of war.
(https://i.redd.it/aicywvsk8gd31.jpg)
Me too, Mitch.
All Dem politicians obstruct and purger every day. So do Republicans. Jail them all.
Quote from: Baruch on July 22, 2019, 03:34:11 AM
The US Constitution was written by and for the rich ... rich traitors. It wasn't written for the little people, or the slaves on the Washington or Jefferson plantations.
Indeed it was. But it was better than kings or despots and offerred a chance for more people to get a middle-class life. By today's standards, the Founding Fathers" were not much better than local minor nobility. The important thing was that they were willing to set in motion a system a government that allowed social mobility, influence from "lower class people" than themselves, and a system that protected the common people from the excesses of government at the time.
And one that could adapt to changes in society. I think that gets overlooked too often. It takes a powerful document that can get us from votes only by wealthy landowners to the current nearly universal voting. It can be improved, but the change over time is impressive!
QuoteBut it was better than kings or despots and offerred a chance for more people to get a middle-class life... The important thing was that they were willing to set in motion a system a government that allowed social mobility, influence from "lower class people" than themselves, and a system that protected the common people from the excesses of government at the time.
The monarchies in Europe had social movement as well; the Dutch were somewhat pioneers of the "Middle Class" in the modern age, and yet they were a monarchy. Many German states had very strong middle classes, despite being kingdoms and duchies, as did Italy and France. A monarchy doesn't prohibit social movement... it just keeps the very upper echelon exclusive. But that's hardly any different than what we have; social pressure or economic pressure, that glass ceiling is still a ceiling.
As for influence; again, monarchies were heavily influenced by the will of the people... even if it sometimes took a little blood spilling to influence it. The monarchy had it's soldiers crackdown on dissenters.. and we had ours as well. If it wasn't the State crushing any opposition to it's power, it was Robber Barons and the landowners hiring private thugs like the Pinkertons to shut protest down.
The lower class has never had influence in the United States; if it wasn't in the rich landowner or the wealthy businessman's interests, it wasn't changing. No amount of votes would change that; only the threat of violence from the people, of cutting into their wealth, forces them to concede to our demands.
Finally, I'm sorry... but at what point in American history has the average person ever been protected from the excess of government?
QuoteAnd one that could adapt to changes in society. I think that gets overlooked too often. It takes a powerful document that can get us from votes only by wealthy landowners to the current nearly universal voting. It can be improved, but the change over time is impressive!
Monarchies have changed quite fluidly as well. And what good is universal voting if it is just a game of choosing one rich person with their own self-interest as their policy or another with the same?
Quote from: Shiranu on August 01, 2019, 02:31:03 AM
The monarchies in Europe had social movement as well; the Dutch were somewhat pioneers of the "Middle Class" in the modern age, and yet they were a monarchy. Many German states had very strong middle classes, despite being kingdoms and duchies, as did Italy and France. A monarchy doesn't prohibit social movement... it just keeps the very upper echelon exclusive. But that's hardly any different than what we have; social pressure or economic pressure, that glass ceiling is still a ceiling.
As for influence; again, monarchies were heavily influenced by the will of the people... even if it sometimes took a little blood spilling to influence it. The monarchy had it's soldiers crackdown on dissenters.. and we had ours as well. If it wasn't the State crushing any opposition to it's power, it was Robber Barons and the landowners hiring private thugs like the Pinkertons to shut protest down.
The lower class has never had influence in the United States; if it wasn't in the rich landowner or the wealthy businessman's interests, it wasn't changing. No amount of votes would change that; only the threat of violence from the people, of cutting into their wealth, forces them to concede to our demands.
Finally, I'm sorry... but at what point in American history has the average person ever been protected from the excess of government?
Monarchies have changed quite fluidly as well. And what good is universal voting if it is just a game of choosing one rich person with their own self-interest as their policy or another with the same?
My ancestors arose from the serfs and peasants of England and France and possibly some minor Viking warriors. The Monarchies of the times were supported by brutal thugs (knights) who pillaged and raped the local populace. We were not able to even leave the lands in search of better conditions; essentially slaves.
After the Plague, things changed a bit. With so fewer serfs, labor gained some value. One could take skills to another place that offerred more protection, more food, more freedom. Not a lot of course, but "more" is better than "less". After the Plague years, there were actually decent empty houses survivor serfs could move into. There was the opportunity to grow food for themselves.
When you have food of your own and a place to live at no cost, you can start to think about saying "no" when the thugs came around. Because there were weapons all over the place. Some churches had hundreds of swords on the walls.
The lords under the kings rebelled first, true. But it set a pattern in motion. Perhaps the only "trickle-down" theory that ever worked. Skilled artisans formed collectives (guilds). Money came into their control and monarchs had to try to take it (riskier when serfs had swords) or ask for it in exchange for freedoms.
The rise of the Guilds led to the Renaissance. Individuals below the nobility level had some influence. Eventually, a middle class between the nobility and serfs emerged. Mostly artisans, merchants, and bankers, this led to demands for increasing freedom of action.
Granted, that did not eliminate totalitarian monarchy. Power abides. But it began the slow climb away from it. I learned something called "The Phillips Curve" in an economics class in college. It describes a graph where an upwards curve reaches a peak and declines. One seldom-remembered aspect of it is that economic expectiatons worsen "just" as conditions are improving. I applied that idea to a history final and the Professor actually called me in to discuss it with him. He was impressed.
The point is that the middle class grew as the Monarchies were at the height of their power in the 1700s. They had the power, but it was eroding at their feet and they didn't realize it. Monarchies were essentially dead when they thought they were at the height.
You stated "The lower class has never had influence in the United States". I disagree. For the sake of discussion, let's say the "lower class" has been composed of poor immigrants, downtrodden citizens, and former slaves. How could they influence the wealthy and powerful?
Well, voting, for one. Originally, in the US, voters were wealthy landowners. Then all male citizens. Then women. It has been a progression. Yes there have been barriers. But the progression continues. From a few wealthy white guys at first, we all can vote now. And there are barriers stillto be breached, like gerrymandering. But there is more push today for citizen committees to decide on Districts. Things improve a bit every generation.
Donald Trump Threatens To Release ‘Thousands Of ISIS Fighters’ To Europe (https://www.inquisitr.com/5560709/trump-europe-isis-fighters)
I think we've just hit peak stable genuis.
Also, Gabbard has a good point about Saudi Arabia. Turns out that US arms sent to Saudi Arabia winds up in terrorist hands (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/02/middleeast/yemen-lost-us-arms/). How tough on terrorism can you possibly be when you provide terrorists material aid?
The irony...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-rodent-infestations-white-house-balitmore-elijah-cummings-024337245.html
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 02, 2019, 09:43:27 AM
The irony...
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-rodent-infestations-white-house-balitmore-elijah-cummings-024337245.html
Politicians are the uber-rats.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 02, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
Donald Trump Threatens To Release ‘Thousands Of ISIS Fighters’ To Europe (https://www.inquisitr.com/5560709/trump-europe-isis-fighters)
I think we've just hit peak stable genuis.
Also, Gabbard has a good point about Saudi Arabia. Turns out that US arms sent to Saudi Arabia winds up in terrorist hands (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/02/middleeast/yemen-lost-us-arms/). How tough on terrorism can you possibly be when you provide terrorists material aid?
GB already had a problem with returning jihadis ... that Trump had nothing to do with. Or is this TDS? As far as the remaining Guantanamo inmates go, if we could dump them in Sweden, then go for it!
Our President's latest outbursts:
"Scuffles broke out after protesters waving an “Immigrants Built America†banner disrupted Donald Trump’s latest rally, where he continued his racist attacks on congressman Eljiah Cummings, the City of Baltimore, and "the squad".
The demonstrators held up the US president’s speech for nearly four minutes before they were kicked out of the event in Cincinnati, Ohio. But, the moment was only blip in the president's campaign rally where he offered up a flawed understanding of American immigration policy, trashed the idea of an independent judiciary, and slammed California for having homeless people and poverty.
Mr Trump, who appeared to make an obscene gesture as they left, also promised to cure childhood cancer, mocked FBI investigator Robert Mueller and boasted about the trade war with China â€" despite warnings from one of his former advisors, Gary Cohn, that it is damaging the US economy."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-china-tariffs-rally-protests-tweets-latest-updates-today-2020-a9035351.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-china-tariffs-rally-protests-tweets-latest-updates-today-2020-a9035351.html)
immigrants did build america. Those immigrants then killed the native race of that land.
And now generations later the ancestors of those original immigrants want other immigrants to come and do the same thing to them.
I wonder if native Americans had internet back then, if they'd be calling their chieftains racists for not letting the white man just come into their lands freely.
Quote from: Munch on August 02, 2019, 03:14:15 PMAnd now generations later the ancestors of those original immigrants want other immigrants to come and do the same thing to them.
Racist much?
Quote from: Munch on August 02, 2019, 03:14:15 PM
immigrants did build america. Those immigrants then killed the native race of that land.
I'm not sure this is entirely correct. A large part of natives were killed by diseases that the Europeans brought with them. But in those days, no one knew about immunization. The Europeans were immune having gone through several plagues. However, they still carry the germs with them, and when they came in contact, the natives had no defense and died in large numbers. Diseases know no borders. The natives were excluded from the deadly plagues because they lived on a continent isolated by oceans. That contact with those diseases was going to happen sooner or later.
I was somewhere in grade school where I heard some king killed a messenger for delivering bad news. I was too young to have learned logic, but I remember thinking how this made no sense, because it solved no problem and had no effect on reality. No wonder he was losing the war. The king was incapable of thinking clearly, and I assume he was in charge of whatever mess he had created.
Now my president has fired his pollsters for getting results he didn't want to hear, and I can't really decide if he's stupid or crazy. I wouldn't impeach him, however. Well... I would if I could, but I can't so that's that. OK, so he fired the pollsters for releasing the results, not for getting the wrong results, and in his favor he didn't kill any of them like any normal president would, so I guess he's not so bad. Maybe he could have admitted his poll numbers were shit, but that he was still the best president us schmucks ever saw.
Quote from: Munch on August 02, 2019, 03:14:15 PM
immigrants did build america. Those immigrants then killed the native race of that land.
And now generations later the ancestors of those original immigrants want other immigrants to come and do the same thing to them.
I wonder if native Americans had internet back then, if they'd be calling their chieftains racists for not letting the white man just come into their lands freely.
They had no functioning passport/visa system or ICE.
If McConnell doesn't like "Moscow Mitch" then can we call him "Moscow's Bitch"?
Barr is behind Trump, to keep Trump from behind bars.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
If McConnell doesn't like "Moscow Mitch" then can we call him "Moscow's Bitch"?
Both work for me. :)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
If McConnell doesn't like "Moscow Mitch" then can we call him "Moscow's Bitch"?
Obama/Hillary/Mueller and Uranium One? Y'all are always on Bath Salts.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Barr is behind Trump, to keep Trump from behind bars.
The Attorney General always works for the President, not the People. Nobody works for the People.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 03, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
Barr is behind Trump, to keep Trump from behind bars.
For now. The duo Trump & Barr have to believe they'll win in 2020. Otherwise the duo will be behind bars. They can always ask to share the same jail cell...
Quote from: Baruch on August 03, 2019, 09:42:36 PM
The Attorney General always works for the President, not the People. Nobody works for the People.
This is not the case. The Attorney General works for the US Constitution. It's right there in his oath of office. Some take that oath more seriously than others. Just ask Elliot Richardson.
Quote from: aileron on August 04, 2019, 05:11:46 PM
This is not the case. The Attorney General works for the US Constitution. It's right there in his oath of office. Some take that oath more seriously than others. Just ask Elliot Richardson.
Almost all Attorney Generals are ... like John Mitchell. Not Elliot Richardson. The Constitution is completely ignored, unless it is useful cover for the real politics.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 02, 2019, 08:10:45 AM
Donald Trump Threatens To Release ‘Thousands Of ISIS Fighters’ To Europe (https://www.inquisitr.com/5560709/trump-europe-isis-fighters)
I think we've just hit peak stable genuis.
Also, Gabbard has a good point about Saudi Arabia. Turns out that US arms sent to Saudi Arabia winds up in terrorist hands (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/02/middleeast/yemen-lost-us-arms/). How tough on terrorism can you possibly be when you provide terrorists material aid?
The Saudis ARE terrorists. What is so complicated about that? 9-11, Jamal Khashoggi, etc. We loved them only for the oil. Why support them now?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 08:52:49 AM
The Saudis ARE terrorists. What is so complicated about that? 9-11, Jamal Khashoggi, etc. We loved them only for the oil. Why support them now?
Why? Trump picture was flashed over buildings in Saudi Arabia, and Trump himself touched the glowing orb, confirming from the powers above that he is a stable genius...How can you beat that?!?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 09:28:42 AM
Why? Trump picture was flashed over buildings in Saudi Arabia, and Trump himself touched the glowing orb, confirming from the powers above that he is a stable genius...How can you beat that?!?
Sarcasm is so tricky to detect in print. You can't see body language or air quotes, etc. I HOPE that was snark... There are people who would take that seriously.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 09:45:09 AM
Sarcasm is so tricky to detect in print. You can't see body language or air quotes, etc. I HOPE that was snark... There are people who would take that seriously.
I don't think that sarcasm is Trump's strong suit. But then again...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 09:53:53 AM
I don't think that sarcasm is Trump's strong suit. But then again...
I meant on josephpalazzo's part... Trump is WAY too dumb to engage in sarcasm. That takes deliberate thought. With him, WYSIWYG!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 08:52:49 AM
The Saudis ARE terrorists. What is so complicated about that? 9-11, Jamal Khashoggi, etc. We loved them only for the oil. Why support them now?
Because without oil, we have to eat each other. We have to remove your fur first, hair in teeth ...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 09:28:42 AM
Why? Trump picture was flashed over buildings in Saudi Arabia, and Trump himself touched the glowing orb, confirming from the powers above that he is a stable genius...How can you beat that?!?
So Joe, are you suggesting "Greater Israel" to solve our problems?
Some animals are more equal than others (https://www.insider.com/ex-fbi-boss-agents-dont-want-to-target-trump-base-2019-8)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Some animals are more equal than others (https://www.insider.com/ex-fbi-boss-agents-dont-want-to-target-trump-base-2019-8)
The FBI are the White Supremacists. Playing false flag. Who do you think arranged the death of MLK?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 11:03:14 AM
I meant on josephpalazzo's part... Trump is WAY too dumb to engage in sarcasm. That takes deliberate thought. With him, WYSIWYG!
Trump engages in sarcasm which is so subtle that even his most devout supporters can't see it. It's also rumored that he,himself, sometimes doesn't see it.
Me - I'm 50-50.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 12:01:52 PM
Because without oil, we have to eat each other. We have to remove your fur first, hair in teeth ...
There are other sources of energy than dead dinosaurs... Long after we burn the last dinosaur fat, we will have a Ringworld and then a Dyson Sphere. It's just a matter of time before it forced on us. Or we die.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
Trump engages in sarcasm which is so subtle that even his most devout supporters can't see it. It's also rumored that he,himself, sometimes doesn't see it.
Me - I'm 50-50.
Good one.. ;) His brilliance is beyond my simple comprehension.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 12:31:52 PM
There are other sources of energy than dead dinosaurs... Long after we burn the last dinosaur fat, we will have a Ringworld and then a Dyson Sphere. It's just a matter of time before it forced on us. Or we die.
You are welcome to find solar energy in New England. Others are lucky to live in Texas.
So your NE Crusade ... rid the world, not just Alabama, of all the people you dislike? What the hell is in the water in New England? Lobster piss?
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 12:18:03 PM
Some animals are more equal than others (https://www.insider.com/ex-fbi-boss-agents-dont-want-to-target-trump-base-2019-8)
Yeah, I get the reference. But we are more equaller than the other animals.
Question. You are in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee and an orangutan. Who is the smartest primate in the room?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
Yeah, I get the reference. But we are more equaller than the other animals.
Question. You are in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee and an orangutan. Who is the smartest primate in the room?
Clint Eastwood says ... the organutan ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
You are welcome to find solar energy in New England. Others are lucky to live in Texas.
So your NE Crusade ... rid the world, not just Alabama, of all the people you dislike? What the hell is in the water in New England? Lobster piss?
Statement 1 is reasonable. Not all sources of energy are equal everywhere. But they aren't today either. NE doesn't pump much dead dinosaur fuel, do they. But that's why we have a transmission grid.
Statement 2 is so totally you. Mostly irrelevant, inaccurately sarcastic, and who mentioned Alabama other than you?
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 12:40:00 PM
Clint Eastwood says ... the organutan ;-)
I'm pretty sure I don't want to be in a room with an "organutan". I'm sorry, but some things one just CAN'T pass up... LOLOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 12:42:12 PM
Statement 1 is reasonable. Not all sources of energy are equal everywhere. But they aren't today either. NE doesn't pump much dead dinosaur fuel, do they. But that's why we have a transmission grid.
Statement 2 is so totally you. Mostly irrelevant, inaccurately sarcastic, and who mentioned Alabama other than you?
NE steals electricity from Quebec, and uses fuel oil to heat homes. No dinosaur fuel?
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:12:43 PM
NE steals electricity from Quebec, and uses fuel oil to heat homes. No dinosaur fuel?
The point was that it doesn't come from NE. Electricity is mobile regardless of source.
Good point about the fuel oil, though. While they don't pump it locally, it IS dead dinosaurs... They could do windpower well up there though...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
I'm pretty sure I don't want to be in a room with an "organutan". I'm sorry, but some things one just CAN'T pass up... LOLOL!
For people ignorant of a classic ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7K_On7GAY
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:17:09 PM
The point was that it doesn't come from NE. Electricity is mobile regardless of source.
Good point about the fuel oil, though. While they don't pump it locally, it IS dead dinosaurs... They could do windpower well up there though...
If you steal it from Quebec, who steals it from the First Nations up there. Yes, NE has wind power, lots of hot air ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
For people ignorant of a classic ....
Did you miss the typo? And I'm still waiting for an answer about the smartest primate in the room. But those of you who get it, don't give it away please. This has potential...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
Yeah, I get the reference. But we are more equaller than the other animals.
Question. You are in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee and an orangutan. Who is the smartest primate in the room?
Alternately, you are (unarmed) in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee, and an orangutan. Who is the scariest primate in the room?
Quote from: trdsf on August 05, 2019, 05:49:19 PM
Alternately, you are (unarmed) in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee, and an orangutan. Who is the scariest primate in the room?
Yes, you will be unarmed, once the three primates get done with you.
Yeah, maybe unlegged as well! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 06:51:24 PM
Yeah, maybe unlegged as well! LOL
Some fetishists like a lover like that. They can't get away!
So now Trump is doing the usual whining, this time about Obama: “‘Did George Bush ever condemn President Obama after Sandy Hook. President Obama had 32 mass shootings during his reign. Not many people said Obama is out of Control,'â€
A little history for Trump: Obama tried to get legislation passed on reasonable background checks. The Republicans in control of both house and senate blocked him at every turn.
HINT: Trump could do just that if he wants to - the GOP won't oppose him in the senate, and the Dems in the house would have real problems if they would oppose such law.
None of the Presidents do anything real about this. Their shape shifting reptilian overlords wouldn't allow it ;-)
Hmm... Trump is suing California for its state law that requires candidates to disclose their tax return, otherwise you can't put your name on the ballot. Perhaps the California law is unconstitutional, but it sure forces Trump to show his hand... err... or not show his hand. Do you have something to hide, Mr. President?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 06, 2019, 05:12:16 PM
Hmm... Trump is suing California for its state law that requires candidates to disclose their tax return, otherwise you can't put your name on the ballot. Perhaps the California law is unconstitutional, but it sure forces Trump to show his hand... err... or not show his hand. Do you have something to hide, Mr. President?
Nothing his sheep would object to, I'm sure. I don't know why he is so terrified of showing his tax returns.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 06, 2019, 05:12:16 PM
Hmm... Trump is suing California for its state law that requires candidates to disclose their tax return, otherwise you can't put your name on the ballot. Perhaps the California law is unconstitutional, but it sure forces Trump to show his hand... err... or not show his hand. Do you have something to hide, Mr. President?
Reconstruction for Cali, with Federal troops. That and have reveal of all tax returns by all candidates/office holders. And continuous daily IRS audits. Until they quit or commit suicide? Sounds like anarchism to me.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 06, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Nothing his sheep would object to, I'm sure. I don't know why he is so terrified of showing his tax returns.
I could fantasize a coup of the Congress and SCOTUS ... dictatorship baby. Trump is a pussy cat. I would love to have every American, audited daily. Why just punish politicians? Tax audits would continue, until morale improves ;-)
Yes, Trump is probably a crooked businessman. Per communism, all business men are running dogs of Capitalism. I see no reason to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Without business people, America would be Zimbabwe. But then that is what the communists want for all anglophone nations.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 06, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Nothing his sheep would object to, I'm sure. I don't know why he is so terrified of showing his tax returns.
Don't make me want to vote for him in 2020 ... like daring the other boy to eat a bug ;-(
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 06, 2019, 05:45:19 PM
Nothing his sheep would object to, I'm sure. I don't know why he is so terrified of showing his tax returns.
On another note: Trump cut funding to the FBI department that fights white terrorism from $21M to $3M. Also, many experts in that department were transferred to other departments. It was reported by some of them that they are afraid to investigate white terrorists because they are all fervent supporters of Trump.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 06, 2019, 07:46:35 PM
On another note: Trump cut funding to the FBI department that fights white terrorism from $21M to $3M. Also, many experts in that department were transferred to other departments. It was reported by some of them that they are afraid to investigate white terrorists because they are all fervent supporters of Trump.
Perhaps being afraid, is smart?
"The whole thing is a lie. If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns, problems this country has, where would white supremacy be on the list? Right up there with Russia probably. It's actually not a problem in America...This is a hoax. Just like the Russia hoax. It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power...I've lived here 50 years. I've never met anybody, not one person, who ascribes to white supremacy. I don't know a single person who thinks that's a good idea. They're making this up."
-- Tucker Carlson
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 07, 2019, 12:16:03 PM
"The whole thing is a lie. If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns, problems this country has, where would white supremacy be on the list? Right up there with Russia probably. It's actually not a problem in America...This is a hoax. Just like the Russia hoax. It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power...I've lived here 50 years. I've never met anybody, not one person, who ascribes to white supremacy. I don't know a single person who thinks that's a good idea. They're making this up."
-- Tucker Carlson
Marxist brain washing ... Feminism, racism, Trumpism, all the -isms.
Yes, I have met a few gun nuts at work. Not a single White supremacist. Not even a Brown supremacist. They exist, but you mostly encounter them on Twitter.
Yes, Tucker Carlson is Satan!!! You liberals are such cowards. Identify your enemy, then kill them. But, but ... we are Gandhi, gotta spin thread to make a dhoti.
""Death Camps For Trump Supporters" Fliers Posted In New York" ... already had anti-Fa aka KGB threaten Carlson and his family.
The Left are scum. Should we even bother to put them in camps? (sarc).
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 07, 2019, 12:16:03 PM
"The whole thing is a lie. If you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns, problems this country has, where would white supremacy be on the list? Right up there with Russia probably. It's actually not a problem in America...This is a hoax. Just like the Russia hoax. It's a conspiracy theory used to divide the country and keep a hold on power...I've lived here 50 years. I've never met anybody, not one person, who ascribes to white supremacy. I don't know a single person who thinks that's a good idea. They're making this up."
-- Tucker Carlson
Yeah, this was the day that Carlson descended the scale from 'toady and tool' to 'fucking moron'. It's be one thing to assert that the white supremacy movement isn't a problem: there, he'd be merely wrong. But to assert it doesn't even exist takes a really special sort of stupid. Whatever meds he's on, he needs to either halve or double the dose, 'cause what he's doing now ain't working.
Quote from: trdsf on August 05, 2019, 05:49:19 PM
Alternately, you are (unarmed) in a room with a gorilla, a chimpanzee, and an orangutan. Who is the scariest primate in the room?
Smartest, not strongest. And if there is anything in the room that can be used as a weapon, I probably am the scariest. As you would be. BTW, if anyone thinks I am going into a closed room with a gorilla, a chimp and an orangutan, they are nuts. I don't dive with sharks either.
You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger, either... ;)
Well people have their preferences. So do baboons. My own family is no different. Monkeys, all of them.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 06:28:18 AM
Well people have their preferences. So do baboons. My own family is no different. Monkeys, all of them.
Well, most humans are closer to other apes. If you want to say your family are more related to monkeys, that's up to you. Do note that I do not say that.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
Well, most humans are closer to other apes. If you want to say your family are more related to monkeys, that's up to you. Do note that I do not say that.
Always literally wrong. I am expressing despair.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 07:32:07 AM
Always literally wrong. I am expressing despair.
Well, not everyone understands the differences between monkeys and apes. The easiest difference is that monkeys run along tree branches and apes swing. Less obvious is that monkeys usually have tails and apes don't. And monkey skeletal structure resembles small 4-footed mammals rather than walking bipedal motion of apes on ground.
Now Trump is whining (what else) that the US dollar is too strong. Poor him, not knowing that his trade war with China pushed the Chinese to deliberately devalue their currency. It's tit for tat: Trump puts tariff on Chinese goods, China devalues its currency, offsetting the tariff. In fairness to Trump, China has always been a bad actor. But he should stop nagging the Feds to lower interest rates - that will only shore up the economy, which will strengthen the dollar. Plus by creating an uncertainty with a trade war, that encourages foreigners to park their money in the US, furthering the strengthening of the dollar.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 11:54:57 AM
Now Trump is whining (what else) that the US dollar is too strong. Poor him, not knowing that his trade war with China pushed the Chinese to deliberately devalue their currency. It's tit for tat: Trump puts tariff on Chinese goods, China devalues its currency, offsetting the tariff. In fairness to Trump, China has always been a bad actor. But he should stop nagging the Feds to lower interest rates - that will only shore up the economy, which will strengthen the dollar. Plus by creating an uncertainty with a trade war, that encourages foreigners to park their money in the US, furthering the strengthening of the dollar.
I'll initially be brief and insulting. Trump couldn't think his way out of a wet paper bag. Ok, now that that is out of my system...
Trump did not succeed at economics or business classes at Penn Wharton. The Washingtom Post had a serious article about his entry and accomplishments there last month. He got in because his older brother asked a friend at the school to do help. Once there, he only wanted networks. When a Professor said that only the lectures counted, Trump dropped his study hall group and only attended lectures.
He was not a top student. While his class grades are protected, he was not on the dean's list (Not top 55 of 366 or something like that).
And apparently, he
seems to have stopped attending classes at all near the end, favoring small business enterprises. There is nothing wrong with that, we all know of successful people who dropped out of college or just went through the least to get through on their way to success.
But he doesn't seem to be the success he claims. Dad bailed him out of constant failures. He tried to escape the Brooklyn rent-control game (and I give him credit for that), but he failed. He didn't mesh with the high society he was aiming for. Not to be picky (because I don't know either), but if you want to play that game, you have to know what the 3rd fork or 2nd spoon was for and dress right. He didn't.
He wouldn't be the first person to become angry at the High-Falutin crowd or even become President with that sting. Or so tasteless that he wanted to "to gild refined gold, to paint the lily". But he is the first (OK maybe Andrew Jackson) US President to combine that with true ineptitude AND a desire to be a dictator.
So we have a wanna-be dictator who is essentially incompetent at making good decisions, set loose on the world stage determined to have everything named after him. Destroy a treaty (NAFTA) and redo it as previous but with his name. Destroy a health care system (Obamacare in common parlance) that most people approve of because he hated the originator. Leave most top jobs "acting" because he can change that at will. Assign people to deliberately not do the job of the Agency they manage. The list is nearly endless.
I've been expecting a global economic downturn caused by Trump. He doesn't even understand how tarriffs work (or does and is playing games for his base). He says the Chinese are paying the tarriffs. They aren't; we are. Goods from China are just slightly more expensive to US consumers. WE pay.
I agree that China is a bad trading partner. They steal from us and no one will do anything about it. But tarriffs won't solve that unless we stop buying from them. And then it will be Chinese companies selling us sneakers made in Vietnam instead.
Yes, the trade war is interesting times. I don't care for it myself, but nobody asked me ;-) Pro-DoD, but I support Tulsi Gabbard's view of our foreign policy. The Dems are to the Nazi-right of my own position.
It's known by his associates and those who dealt with him in the past that Trump ran a criminal enterprise. His business reeks of money laundering from the Russian oligarchs. But as president, he gets to play tic-tac-toe with the economy. So far, he has had some luck as the economy was turning around from the Great Recession when he entered office. His fiddling risks to plunge the economy, and my guess if he is not re-elected, the next Dem president will have to pick up the pieces as it happened in 2019 when Obama came in and was obliged to fix the mess. In the meantime, the national debt is going through the roof - that's just a bomb waiting to explode.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 07:32:07 AM
Always literally wrong. I am expressing despair.
Read some Sarte, maybe he can help with that.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 01:45:52 PM
It's known by his associates and those who dealt with him in the past that Trump ran a criminal enterprise. His business reeks of money laundering from the Russian oligarchs. But as president, he gets to play tic-tac-toe with the economy. So far, he has had some luck as the economy was turning around from the Great Recession when he entered office. His fiddling risks to plunge the economy, and my guess if he is not re-elected, the next Dem president will have to pick up the pieces as it happened in 2019 when Obama came in and was obliged to fix the mess. In the meantime, the national debt is going through the roof - that's just a bomb waiting to explode.
2008. ;)
Yeah, I'm CDs and Money Markets, seeing the fuse lit.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 08, 2019, 01:47:02 PM
Read some Sarte, maybe he can help with that.
I can't wear a beret (don't have one), can't hold a cigarette in a funny way (don't smoke). And I will never appreciate French absurdist poetry.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 01:49:56 PM
2008. ;)
Yeah, I'm CDs and Money Markets, seeing the fuse lit.
Thanks for the correction, 2008 seems like yesterday...;-)
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 02:09:26 PM
Thanks for the correction, 2008 seems like yesterday...;-)
I would take 2008 all over again if I could change 2016...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
I would take 2008 all over again if I could change 2016...
You are both showing your age.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 02:18:57 PM
I would take 2008 all over again if I could change 2016...
Dow Jones: 6,590 (2008); Dow Jones: 17,900 (2016). I think I will go with the money. No offense intended...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 03:13:20 PM
Dow Jones: 6,590 (2008); Dow Jones: 17,900 (2016). I think I will go with the money. No offense intended...
But I bought in at 8000 Dow and held to 24,500... I'm regretting the early bail now, but I expect Trump still has time to dump it to 20,000 when I buy back in. Meanwhile I'm making 3% per year. I'll hold my cards, dealer, thank you...
I am reminded of the millionaire who said his Dad gave him some good advice.
Dad: "Here's a million dollars, son, don't lose it".
I got mine on my own, but you get the idea. You can't lose what you don't risk.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
But I bought in at 8000 Dow and held to 24,500... I'm regretting the early bail now, but I expect Trump still has time to dump it to 20,000 when I buy back in. Meanwhile I'm making 3% per year. I'll hold my cards, dealer, thank you...
I am reminded of the millionaire who said his Dad gave him some good advice.
Dad: "Here's a million dollars, son, don't lose it".
I got mine on my own, but you get the idea. You can't lose what you don't risk.
When the Dow tank in 2008, I was in China. I had to keep a lot of liquidity in order to keep up with the expenses, not that China was expensive, but when you travel, you just need more cash. When I came back, and cleared all expenses, I was able to get back in the market. So by chance I had sold before the crash, and bought some back at a cheaper price.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 03:47:10 PM
When the Dow tank in 2008, I was in China. I had to keep a lot of liquidity in order to keep up with the expenses, not that China was expensive, but when you travel, you just need more cash. When I came back, and cleared all expenses, I was able to get back in the market. So by chance I had sold before the crash, and bought some back at a cheaper price.
Life is sometimes kind that way. The advisors say to never try to time the market. And I don't. But sometimes it just happens and you get lucky. When the Dow hit bottom, I just wasn't fully invested so I had funds to dump in. And now I do too. So GO TRUMP! Crush the market. I'm waiting...
How capitalist! Making money when things go up, making money when things go down. Our Marxist friends won't like that.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:17:57 PM
How capitalist! Making money when things go up, making money when things go down. Our Marxist friends won't like that.
It took me a while to realize the the stock market had nothing to do with the economy. If the Vanguard US mid cap index fund goes up, it has no effect on employment at McDonalds or Google or NASA. The same when it goes down.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 04:44:56 PM
It took me a while to realize the the stock market had nothing to do with the economy. If the Vanguard US mid cap index fund goes up, it has no effect on employment at McDonalds or Google or NASA. The same when it goes down.
Correct.
So the Dems are getting some backbone: Nadler has officially declared in court filings that there is a formal impeachment proceedings. On a legal level, it's the right thing to do. Politically, it's a huge gamble.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 09, 2019, 09:03:17 AM
So the Dems are getting some backbone: Nadler has officially declared in court filings that there is a formal impeachment proceedings. On a legal level, it's the right thing to do. Politically, it's a huge gamble.
Maybe. Testosterone supplements?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 09, 2019, 09:03:17 AM
So the Dems are getting some backbone: Nadler has officially declared in court filings that there is a formal impeachment proceedings. On a legal level, it's the right thing to do. Politically, it's a huge gamble.
Yeah, but at this point anything they do is a political gamble.
But which one is a higher risk? Impeachment or do nothing? On impeachment, you need to count on the GOP not to proceed in the senate. It then would be encumbered on the Dems to make the case that the GOP should be thrown out for dereliction of duty. Would the voters buy into that? Or do nothing until the election, hoping Trump is voted out. It comes down on voter turnout. We know Trump supporters are going to vote. But 40% of the electorate didn't vote in 2016. Which one - impeachment or do nothing - will galvanize the no-Trump crowd to vote? Political apathy is a constant occurrence in these elections. It's the spoiler that can give unpleasant surprises.
Yeah, if the decision were up to me I'd be unable to sleep at night. All we can do is wait and see what happens. It'll be entertaining to watch either way.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 09, 2019, 02:04:43 PM
Yeah, but at this point anything they do is a political gamble.
They need to talk to the reps/senators from Nevada and NJ. They understand gambling.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 09, 2019, 02:33:28 PM
Yeah, if the decision were up to me I'd be unable to sleep at night. All we can do is wait and see what happens. It'll be entertaining to watch either way.
I find GB politics to be more entertaining. American politics is like watching collision derby.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 09, 2019, 02:33:28 PM
Yeah, if the decision were up to me I'd be unable to sleep at night. All we can do is wait and see what happens. It'll be entertaining to watch either way.
Americans have had that luxury so far to look at politics as part of the entertainment business - one reason we got Trump, a TV personality that entertained folks for 14 years on the Apprentice. As a result we are getting the very core of our democracy undermined, and if this trend continues, that luxury will evaporate.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 06:19:49 AM
Smartest, not strongest. And if there is anything in the room that can be used as a weapon, I probably am the scariest. As you would be. BTW, if anyone thinks I am going into a closed room with a gorilla, a chimp and an orangutan, they are nuts. I don't dive with sharks either.
You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger, either... ;)
LOL. No, hotshot you don't get to win that one, not a chance. :) Not the smartest but the strongest will win in that room. And all those primates are FAR MORE physically stronger than you. As the strongest of the 3, silverback is far more stronger than the strongest human male. Pretty much the same deal with Orangutans and Chimpanzees but Silverbacks are the King of the Hill when it comes to bare battle.
If threatened and angry a gorilla could practically crush your bones, spine and even tear an arm apart. You are only stronger than those primates in that room, but ONLY if you have a fire arm in your hands and know how to use it. Not even a knife, a blunt weapon would be useful against them in close contact, if you are not an expert, a potential clumsy wound would just make any of them more angry.
That's actually why he says you are in a room, unarmed. Meaning, you can't run and you have to confront bare hand.
Most people are badly confused about what does smarts mean as the upper hand in certain situations. Humans are NOT apex predators which is 5, but just 2 point something. As long as they are not prepared with equipment, weapons they are pretty useless against some of the animals in wild nature. They are dead meat. Bad tasting meal.
But then I pretty much doubt if an apex predator like a leopard would risk to fuck up with a silverback, lol. Gorillas are very highly protective of their own kind too. It's not just their bite -which has a huge power- it is about how their body is built.
Humans don't get to win that one.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 08:17:39 AM
Americans have had that luxury so far to look at politics as part of the entertainment business - one reason we got Trump, a TV personality that entertained folks for 14 years on the Apprentice. As a result we are getting the very core of our democracy undermined, and if this trend continues, that luxury will evaporate.
Ronald Reagan. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Not new. I would rather watch Christians thrown to the lions ;-)
Most people think, the most appropriate profession to supply politicians, is the legal profession. Fools!
Of course, TV personalities are better...#;-(
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Of course, TV personalities are better...#;-(
Most Dems listen to Hollywood personalities for their voting preferences. Maybe all the drugs and orgies make Hollywood better than the rest of the US.
In another tweetstorm, Trump continues with his unrelenting attack on the media:
QuoteNever has the press been more inaccurate, unfair or corrupt! We are not fighting the Democrats, they are easy, we are fighting the seriously dishonest and unhinged Lamestream Media. They have gone totally CRAZY. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
QuoteMaggie Haberman of the Failing [/size]@nytimes[/size] reported that I was annoyed by the lack of cameras inside the hospitals in Dayton & El Paso, when in fact I was the one who stated, very strongly, that I didn’t want the Fake News inside & told my people NOT to let them in. Fake reporting!
The Media (MSM) ... mouthpieces of the Dark State. Mostly populated by DNC creatures. No need for me to attack it. Shit isn't worth attacking. But there are other sources of news (not Alex Jones). The MSM went obsolete with Ted Turner Cable TV. Trump always attacks things, because it is a slow day, and he demands constant attention.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 09:28:42 AM
Why? Trump picture was flashed over buildings in Saudi Arabia...
He's a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Even the guy who wrote it into the DSM in 1978 wrote about it. Relatively ethical governments among our allies refuse to exploit it, relatively less ethical governments do. That's why Trump "fell in love" with Kim Jung Un.
Quote from: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 03:28:54 PM
The Media (MSM) ... mouthpieces of the Dark State.
Typical right-wing propaganda. Are you ever gullible...I suppose from your twisted perspective Fox news is fair and balanced?!?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Typical right-wing propaganda. Are you ever gullible...I suppose from your twisted perspective Fox news is fair and balanced?!?
Well thanks to free speech (of media companies) ... they can say what they like. But not if they support candidates the DNC doesn't like ;-))
Left-wing propaganda ... we are from the government and we are here to help you .... bwahaha.
Quote from: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Left-wing propaganda ... we are from the government and we are here to help you .... bwahaha.
Last time I checked, police, fire fighters, and most EMT are government employees. Make sure you have a medical bracelet saying no treatment from damn dirty government employees. You wouldn't want to owe the remainder of your life to a leftie.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 06:34:06 PM
Typical right-wing propaganda. Are you ever gullible...I suppose from your twisted perspective Fox news is fair and balanced?!?
Typical Communist Manifesto, eh Comrad?
Quote from: aileron on August 10, 2019, 10:30:02 PM
Last time I checked, police, fire fighters, and most EMT are government employees. Make sure you have a medical bracelet saying no treatment from damn dirty government employees. You wouldn't want to owe the remainder of your life to a leftie.
Like Cavebear, I am a retired long time government employee. We know. He was GS, I was contractor. We government employees knock twice, and knock up your woman. That is why your children don't look like you ;-) I owe my gulag to the Dems, and my death camp to the Repugs.
Quote from: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Well thanks to free speech (of media companies) ... they can say what they like.
With every freedom comes responsibility. That's the major problem in today's world, especially with the internet - you can say whatever with no accountability. And the sacrificial prize will be democracy. To you and many fanatics, democracy is unimportant, like who cares. But when democracy is no longer there, the problem of freedom of expression without accountability will disappear as there will be no freedom of expression.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
With every freedom comes responsibility. That's the major problem in today's world, especially with the internet - you can say whatever with no accountability. And the sacrificial prize will be democracy. To you and many fanatics, democracy is unimportant, like who cares. But when democracy is no longer there, the problem of freedom of expression without accountability will disappear as there will be no freedom of expression.
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Are you anger challenged? Catharsis is good for you. Just not with an AR-15 or AK-47.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
With every freedom comes responsibility. That's the major problem in today's world, especially with the internet - you can say whatever with no accountability. And the sacrificial prize will be democracy. To you and many fanatics, democracy is unimportant, like who cares. But when democracy is no longer there, the problem of freedom of expression without accountability will disappear as there will be no freedom of expression.
We get responsibility, thru S&M masters/mistresses ;-) Otherwise we are total fuckwads. You want accountability? . Identity ... that is why you want to know who I really am ... but what if I would like the nasty you would do to me? Particularly if anti-Fa show up at anyone's house, threatening people. If we allow that, then to be fair, we need KKK with flaming crosses too. Last Judgement baby. And no ... get out of Hell free card.
Joe's perfect world ... everything is forbidden, except for what is mandatory. Beatings will continue until morale improves.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
We get responsibility, thru S&M masters/mistresses ;-) Otherwise we are total fuckwads. You want accountability? . Identity ... that is why you want to know who I really am ... but what if I would like the nasty you would do to me? Particularly if anti-Fa show up at anyone's house, threatening people. If we allow that, then to be fair, we need KKK with flaming crosses too. Last Judgement baby. And no ... get out of Hell free card.
Joe's perfect world ... everything is forbidden, except for what is mandatory. Beatings will continue until morale improves.
Violence come from fanatics like you... people who believe in conspiracy theories like you do... people who disparage education, the courts, democracy, like you do... people who attack anything just for the pleasure to get attention, like you do...people who go out of their way to disrupt any discourse based on reason and rationality, like you do...people who are trolls on the internet who wouldn't dare acting like that in person because they would suffer the consequences of their foolishness. Basically you are a coward.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
Violence come from fanatics like you... people who believe in conspiracy theories like you do... people who disparage education, the courts, democracy, like you do... people who attack anything just for the pleasure to get attention, like you do...people who go out of their way to disrupt any discourse based on reason and rationality, like you do...people who are trolls on the internet who wouldn't dare acting like that in person because they would suffer the consequences of their foolishness. Basically you are a coward.
I am nearly a pacifist. Globalists = Communists = bloodthirsty tyrants. That and butt-buddies of George Soros etc.
Project all you want. But it isn't me. It is D/R who want death camps/gulag. I am neither.
There is no conspiracy. Human beings are a failed species.
Cavebear though, would compete with you, for King of the Hill. For our own good, of course.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
I am nearly a pacifist. Globalists = Communists = bloodthirsty tyrants. That and butt-buddies of George Soros etc.
Project all you want. But it isn't me. It is D/R who want death camps/gulag. I am neither.
There is no conspiracy. Human beings are a failed species.
Just before you wrote "there is no conspiracy" you wrote the map of a conspiracy...probably went over your head as is usual in your case...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
Just before you wrote "there is no conspiracy" you wrote the map of a conspiracy...probably went over your head as is usual in your case...
Trump got elected. Proof that all conspiracy theories are true.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Trump got elected. Proof that all conspiracy theories are true.
The sad thing is you believing that.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
everything is forbidden, except for what is mandatory.
...says the guy who takes everything Trump says as gospel...
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 01:49:12 PM
Trump got elected. Proof that all conspiracy theories are true.
No, just proof that not all of them are false.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 01:45:20 PM
Just before you wrote "there is no conspiracy" you wrote the map of a conspiracy...probably went over your head as is usual in your case...
Called rhetoric. But you won't see that taught in a physics classroom.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
...says the guy who takes everything Trump says as gospel...
More projection. I didn't vote for Trump. Probably won't in 2020. But the problem with TDS ... they are actually afraid in one corner of their brains, that Trump is correct. That is scary. I doubt any of our elected morons can pop the top of a beer can.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2019, 06:06:13 PM
No, just proof that not all of them are false.
Epstein was innocent. BBC already says, Putin did it.
They are wrong. It was Colonel Mustard, in the Library, with the Candle Stick ;-)
I'm confused about impeachment. So, Trump could be impeached, but he could still remain in office? I guess that part doesn't make sense to me.
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 12, 2019, 12:07:09 AM
I'm confused about impeachment. So, Trump could be impeached, but he could still remain in office? I guess that part doesn't make sense to me.
Impeachment is a process, not an outcome. Two American presidents have been impeached, neither one was removed from office. Top be removed from office, the House needs a simple majority to refer to the Senate. The Senate requires 2/3 supermajority to convict and force a president from office. These only time it would have happened was Nixon. His own party warmed him the Senate had the votes for it, so he resigned before the inevitable.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 09, 2019, 09:03:17 AM
So the Dems are getting some backbone: Nadler has officially declared in court filings that there is a formal impeachment proceedings. On a legal level, it's the right thing to do. Politically, it's a huge gamble.
I would add that it is also the legal/ethical thing for the House to do. It is not only a power they have; it is a duty.
Personally, I think that impeaching Trump is only the 2nd time it has been attempted or threatened that is justified. I say that understanding that it may not be the wisest thing to do politically. But it sure is the right thing to do ethically and for history.
Trump is a political anomaly and a threat to democracy in general.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
I didn't vote for Trump.
Regardless, he's your idol who can do no wrong.
Quote from: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 06:42:04 PM
More projection. I didn't vote for Trump. Probably won't in 2020. But the problem with TDS ... they are actually afraid in one corner of their brains, that Trump is correct. That is scary. I doubt any of our elected morons can pop the top of a beer can.
You probably didn't vote at all. Or for the Monarchist Party.
I have 2 thoughts about opening a beer. One is that if you are popping a top, you are drinking swill. The 2nd is that I still remember how to pop a capped bottle of a decent beer on the edge of a kitchen counter.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 05:33:36 AM
Regardless, he's your idol who can do no wrong.
Was Hillary your idol? How have the mighty fallen. Gonna vote for that pedophile, Biden?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 05:38:48 AM
You probably didn't vote at all. Or for the Monarchist Party.
I have 2 thoughts about opening a beer. One is that if you are popping a top, you are drinking swill. The 2nd is that I still remember how to pop a capped bottle of a decent beer on the edge of a kitchen counter.
Ignorant much? Voted for Gary Johnson. I have fully discussed my complete voting history in prior posts. And my projection for the coming campaign season. Too bad King George III won't be on the ballot next year ;-(
Thanks for explaining that. I wonder why impeachment is considered all that serious then, if a President can't be removed from office. Like if Trump is impeached, but doesn't get removed, what was gained? An impeached President could run for a second term.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:40:04 AM
Was Hillary your idol? How have the mighty fallen. Gonna vote for that pedophile, Biden?
Hillary had her flaws but was more qualified than Trump. Trump won because of the help from Russia and its troll factory, and Cambridge Analytica which sent more than 5 millions ads to denigrate Hillary.
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 12, 2019, 08:33:37 AM
Thanks for explaining that. I wonder why impeachment is considered all that serious then, if a President can't be removed from office. Like if Trump is impeached, but doesn't get removed, what was gained? An impeached President could run for a second term.
Would be hard to run for a second term, if convicted in the Senate. Is it characteristic of Dems, to be judge, jury and executioner? Probably. Impeachment is like an indictment. There isn't a trial until after that.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Hillary had her flaws but was more qualified than Trump. Trump won because of the help from Russia and its troll factory, and Cambridge Analytica which sent more than 5 millions ads to denigrate Hillary.
Hm, thought Cambridge Analytica was working for the Dems?
Qualifications is a tricky thing. An incumbent is the most qualified. Therefore no need of elections.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 09:44:11 AM
Hm, thought Cambridge Analytica was working for the Dems?
Watch the movie, The Great Hack, based on a whistleblower.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 09:50:32 AM
Watch the movie, The Great Hack, based on a whistleblower.
Conspiracy theory? When Putin was in charge of sinking the Titanic?
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
Conspiracy theory? When Putin was in charge of sinking the Titanic?
No idiot the movie centers on Brittany Kaiser, who worked for Cambridge Analytica, and gives sordid details how Alexander Nix went out of his way to help Trump, and also Brexit, BTW. Don't watch it, you might get an education...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 09:56:49 AM
No idiot the movie centers on Brittany Kaiser, who worked for Cambridge Analytica, and gives sordid details how Alexander Nix went out of his way to help Trump, and also Brexit, BTW. Don't watch it, you might get an education...
Ahh, so you are projecting. Based on the Dem party equivalent of Alex Jones. BTW - I don't watch Alex Jones. Well that is the New Media for you ...
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:00:50 AM
Qh, so you are projecting. Based on the Dem party equivalent of Alex Jones.
What projection? It's a movie, imbecile. Do you need a dictionary to know what a "movie" is. What century do you live in? Alex Nix, the founder of Cambridge Analytica, is not a DEM, by any means, and certainly not anything like Alex Jones. Get yourself informed.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:08:09 AM
What projection? It's a movie, imbecile. Do you need a dictionary to know what a "movie" is. What century do you live in? Alex Nix, the founder of Cambridge Analytica, is not a DEM, by any means, and certainly not anything like Alex Jones. Get yourself informed.
Don't care. Does the Dem or Repub party pay my rent? No? Then I don't care about them at all. Same with Cambridge Analytica or the other Beltway Bandit think tanks. It was Heritage that came up with Obamacare, when it was still Romneycare. Is consulting where professors go who can't hold tenure?
If you want to blow your walnut sized brain out your ear, listen to some Dan Bongino. Is he right? Don't know. The conspiracy stuff is just entertainment, like sideline banter by sports announcers. It isn't what is happening on the field.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Don't care. Does the Dem or Repub party pay my rent? No? Then I don't care about them at all.
Liar. You thrash a lot more the Dem than the Repub. You rarely criticize Trump, more playing defense when Trump is under attack in this forum. So don't try to hide your colors. You are transparent as to your political inclinations.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:15:15 AM
Liar. You thrash a lot more the Dem than the Repub. You rarely criticize Trump, more playing defense when Trump is under attack in this forum. So don't try to hide your colors. You are transparent as to your political inclinations.
Look up definition of paranoia (anyone not for us is against us). I am not obsessed with Trump, you are. The Dems are the ones who want civil war and Leftist revolution. Not that I am happy with Repub policy or Trumpism. The last good President was Ike. I voted twice for Obama, but didn't love his policies. He was a lot more dignified though. Trump's schtick is like fingernails on a blackboard. I can understand why people are instinctively irritated.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:21:09 AM
The Dems are the ones who want civil war and Leftist revolution.
Straight out of FoxNews, the Trump propaganda machine. Another evidence that you have TDS.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
Straight out of FoxNews, the Trump propaganda machine. Another evidence that you have TDS.
If you don't like Fox News, why watch it? Sounds like you keep track of everything Fox News, just in case they reveal where the Roswell aliens are hid. Other than an occasional sane video editorial by Tucker Carlson, Fox New is just as bad as it always has been. The USA Today of video news. TV news hasn't been any good since Cronkite retired ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
Other than an occasional sane video editorial by Tucker Carlson...
Tucker Carlson is sane??!!?? Another proof of your TDS.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 09:27:02 AM
Hillary had her flaws but was more qualified than Trump. Trump won because of the help from Russia and its troll factory, and Cambridge Analytica which sent more than 5 millions ads to denigrate Hillary.
Don't forget Comey's whopper. Most people don't pay close attention. They just heard "FBI" and "investigation" and it gave some fence-riders in PA, MI, and WI a vague reconfirmation of "she's not trustworthy".
Even Scaramucci is now saying that Trump's gone off the rails. A staunch defender of Trump now openly criticizing him, Scaramucci even said to the loyalists, "loyalty is not blind obedience unless you're supporting a demagogue." Ouch...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:37:18 AM
Tucker Carlson is sane??!!?? Another proof of your TDS.
Not only is Tucker Carlson insane, but anyone who thinks he's sane is insane as well!
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:30:09 AM
If you don't like Fox News, why watch it? Sounds like you keep track of everything Fox News, just in case they reveal where the Roswell aliens are hid. Other than an occasional sane video editorial by Tucker Carlson, Fox New is just as bad as it always has been. The USA Today of video news. TV news hasn't been any good since Cronkite retired ;-(
If you did retire recently and increased your consumption of Faux News, that would explain the personality change people are reporting here. The term Fox Geser Syndrome exists for a reason.
I've seen it destroy people in my life. I can't go over my sister's house because she rails on and on about caravans and thinks I (a former military officer) don't appreciate the imminent danger of the "invasion."
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 09:43:05 AM
Would be hard to run for a second term, if convicted in the Senate. Is it characteristic of Dems, to be judge, jury and executioner? Probably. Impeachment is like an indictment. There isn't a trial until after that.
That makes sense! It's like an indictment...
Even if he's not impeached, I can't see him winning again.
Most people couldn't see him getting elected the first time, but he did it anyway.
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 12, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
That makes sense! It's like an indictment...
Even if he's not impeached, I can't see him winning again.
I really, really hope you are correct. But I have this nagging fear that he will. I have never wanted to be wrong so badly.......................
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:37:18 AM
Tucker Carlson is sane??!!?? Another proof of your TDS.
Most sane of the Faux people. They had nobody before he joined them. So a weak endorsement. For folks here, I can pretty much assume, any political position is the opposite of truth, because they are based on drugs and group sex in 1969.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 02:26:26 PM
Not only is Tucker Carlson insane, but anyone who thinks he's sane is insane as well!
Well, given this is your post ... I will put in context with your personal situation. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But you are not by go-to for sanity checks.
You are too wise, Grasshopper! LOL
Quote from: aileron on August 12, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
If you did retire recently and increased your consumption of Faux News, that would explain the personality change people are reporting here. The term Fox Geser Syndrome exists for a reason.
I've seen it destroy people in my life. I can't go over my sister's house because she rails on and on about caravans and thinks I (a former military officer) don't appreciate the imminent danger of the "invasion."
Grasping at straws? You haven't been following me for very long. Remember it has been shown that Trump plastic straws are actually more environmentally friendly that the cardboard straws that McDonalds tried to foist in an attempt to be as woke as Gillette.
Really? Sorry about your family. Yes, military folks tend to be too gullible (they are young and in uniform) to avoid Faux News, but not hip enough to follow CNN (sarc). You are not currently in the military, right? So you are free of that culture. Have sympathy for those who are still in it. The military will never be sympathetic to 1969 Woodstock culture.
On the other hand, I think my Ex and daughter completely accept CNN as gospel. So this cuts both ways. Geezer? Are you ageist? No, I haven't increased Faux News consumption. I have been avoiding totally worthless US news outlets for a decade. Their complicity in war crimes goes way back before 2009.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
Most people couldn't see him getting elected the first time, but he did it anyway.
Proof of reptilian shape shifting aliens ;-( I couldn't imagine him running in the primaries. Or winning the Republican nomination. Or winning the election (more or less). And people assume that I am part of the Trump-in-Moscow-peeing-on-Obama's-bed crowd.
It was a great disappointment, that the Dems are so totally corrupt as to have nominated Hillary. I might have voted for Bernie, at least as a joke.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2019, 05:39:02 PM
I really, really hope you are correct. But I have this nagging fear that he will. I have never wanted to be wrong so badly.......................
On election day, I don't suggest to anyone ... to hold your breath. Never fear, the CIA will take care of things, as they have since 1947.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
Most people couldn't see him getting elected the first time, but he did it anyway.
Many voters were shocked, but imagine how Hillary Clinton feels. Do you suppose she and Al Gore compare grievances?
Ha, wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:39:47 PM
Proof of reptilian shape shifting aliens ;-( I couldn't imagine him running in the primaries. Or winning the Republican nomination. Or winning the election (more or less). And people assume that I am part of the Trump-in-Moscow-peeing-on-Obama's-bed crowd.
It was a great disappointment, that the Dems are so totally corrupt as to have nominated Hillary. I might have voted for Bernie, at least as a joke.
I love Bernie and SOME of his ideas personally. But he is too much like the Crazy Uncle at Thanksgiving Dinner who pounds the table complaining about his neighbors back home. He isn't "executive" material.
Given that, I'm wondering about Warren. She also doesn't have much "executive" experience, but I can see her understanding how to use it. I like both Warren and Biden. Biden would be a calming influence internationally to repair alliances. Warren would be an in-your-face challenge to the dictators that Trump loves too well.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 10:05:38 PM
Ha, wouldn't surprise me.
Both members of the "Should Have Been President" club.
So, conservatives got a movie banned because it hurt their feelings (I thought they didn't like snowflakes?) and you wanna know the funny thing about this? I'm like 95% sure a conservative is the heroine of the story. D'oh!
See, the plot is that evil elitists have kidnapped conservatives, dropped them in god knows where, and are hunting them for sport. It really tries to paint a picture of ivory tower liberals who have all the money and privilege and they're totally out of touch with the common man and lack empathy, so naturally, they go out and murder the have-not, salt-of-the-earth conservatives with simple and honest lives whose backbreaking work creates the very towers that the liberals live in.
It's a conservative propagandist's wet dream. And triggered conservatives got it banned because they had the false impression that Hollywood was so anti-Trump that they greenlit a movie about just murdering them all because...I dunno...reasons. Persecution complex, much?
Anways, it's pretty stupid all around. Unless this is all a big marketing gimmick, in which case, kudos to them, but I dunno, I kinda feel like the people who watch Fox and Friends to understand the state of the world aren't really the kind of people to play 3d chess. In that scenario, the creators would be the real geniuses and everyone else, right and left and even the POTUS himself, just got played.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 10:01:26 PM
Many voters were shocked, but imagine how Hillary Clinton feels. Do you suppose she and Al Gore compare grievances?
Al Gore must have an easier conscience. Hillary of course expected to be enthroned ;-(
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 10:12:22 PM
Both members of the "Should Have Been President" club.
Sad choices. Good evidence why voting should be banned.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2019, 11:04:36 PM
So, conservatives got a movie banned because it hurt their feelings (I thought they didn't like snowflakes?) and you wanna know the funny thing about this? I'm like 95% sure a conservative is the heroine of the story. D'oh!
See, the plot is that evil elitists have kidnapped conservatives, dropped them in god knows where, and are hunting them for sport. It really tries to paint a picture of ivory tower liberals who have all the money and privilege and they're totally out of touch with the common man and lack empathy, so naturally, they go out and murder the have-not, salt-of-the-earth conservatives with simple and honest lives whose backbreaking work creates the very towers that the liberals live in.
It's a conservative propagandist's wet dream. And triggered conservatives got it banned because they had the false impression that Hollywood was so anti-Trump that they greenlit a movie about just murdering them all because...I dunno...reasons. Persecution complex, much?
Anways, it's pretty stupid all around. Unless this is all a big marketing gimmick, in which case, kudos to them, but I dunno, I kinda feel like the people who watch Fox and Friends to understand the state of the world aren't really the kind of people to play 3d chess. In that scenario, the creators would be the real geniuses and everyone else, right and left and even the POTUS himself, just got played.
The "hunt Trump supporters"? Go make your own. You can go kill Trump supporters, and use your camera in your smart phone?
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 11:23:51 PM
Sad choices. Good evidence why voting should be banned.
So after your idol Trump, Putin is No. 2 on your trophy mantel...
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:29:59 PM
For folks here, I can pretty much assume, any political position is the opposite of truth, because they are based on drugs and group sex in 1969.
Oh I see, you've just woke up from 1969. I now understand your rebellious provocation - it's a cry against all that dope that put you to sleep for so long. Pity.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 11:45:46 PM
So after your idol Trump, Putin is No. 2 on your trophy mantel...
See, that is why I think you may have a med problem. There is no connection between Biden/Warren and Trump/Putin ... unless you think they are the same people.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:00:28 AM
Oh I see, you've just woke up from 1969. I now understand your rebellious provocation - it's a cry against all that dope that put you to sleep for so long. Pity.
Don't know if you were there, back then (old enough though). Some people here were, or should have been. That whole generation of college students were a write off ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:03:54 AM
That whole generation of college students were a write off ...
You comparing humanity to a financial statement...tsst, tsst
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2019, 11:04:36 PM
So, conservatives got a movie banned because it hurt their feelings (I thought they didn't like snowflakes?) and you wanna know the funny thing about this? I'm like 95% sure a conservative is the heroine of the story. D'oh!
See, the plot is that evil elitists have kidnapped conservatives, dropped them in god knows where, and are hunting them for sport. It really tries to paint a picture of ivory tower liberals who have all the money and privilege and they're totally out of touch with the common man and lack empathy, so naturally, they go out and murder the have-not, salt-of-the-earth conservatives with simple and honest lives whose backbreaking work creates the very towers that the liberals live in.
It's a conservative propagandist's wet dream. And triggered conservatives got it banned because they had the false impression that Hollywood was so anti-Trump that they greenlit a movie about just murdering them all because...I dunno...reasons. Persecution complex, much?
Anways, it's pretty stupid all around. Unless this is all a big marketing gimmick, in which case, kudos to them, but I dunno, I kinda feel like the people who watch Fox and Friends to understand the state of the world aren't really the kind of people to play 3d chess. In that scenario, the creators would be the real geniuses and everyone else, right and left and even the POTUS himself, just got played.
I just heard about 'The Hunt' earlier today and laughed off the entire premise. But apparently, it triggered a conservative fear. I find it difficult to even conceive of the idea, but some people do seem to think it could happen unless they have all the guns.
Liberals with AK-47s? Get real.
Now granted, *I* possibly could. I have hunting experience with guns and bow and I have a professional crossbow. And there are too many conservatives as it is. And I USED to be a Republican, so I have the basic "kill" instinct. Who would miss a few idiots?
And if you have read this far and didn't realize I'm joking, my apologies.
Snarkily Yorse, Cavebear
PS, what's "yorse"? Why thanky kindly, I'll have a whiskey.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:07:03 AM
You comparing humanity to a financial statement...tsst, tsst
Sorry, I had gotten over it. But after 50 years, the degenerate grad students who didn't die of drug overdose or VD, are professor emeriti. Their ... disciples are the senior academics today making a new hash of things. Posted awhile back ... the best way for the public to deal with the chaos in the post-secondary education market, is to defund it. No reason for any taxpayer to pay for it. Let anyone who wants a specious degree in "underwater Marxism" pay full rate.
Yes, money is involved, unless you are a socialist, and in that case you stole the money from a tax payer.
@Cavebear ... the news cycle is too short for someone who only posts one day a week.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:10:49 AM
Sorry, I had gotten over it. But after 50 years, the degenerate grad students who didn't die of drug overdose or VD, are professor emeriti. Their ... disciples are the senior academics today making a new hash of things. Posted awhile back ... the best way for the public to deal with the chaos in the post-secondary education market, is to defund it. No reason for any taxpayer to pay for it. Let anyone who wants a specious degree in "underwater Marxism" pay full rate.
Yes, money is involved, unless you are a socialist, and in that case you stole the money from a tax payer.
@Cavebear ... the news cycle is too short for someone who only posts one day a week.
Bwaaaaa, the very same guy who said he would have voted for Bernie Sanders, the politician who wants to make college education free.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:01:54 AM
Trump/Putin ... unless you think they are the same people.
Not the same but...Trump and Putin share the same secret - all that money laundered from the Russian oligarch into Trump business.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:12:53 AM
Bwaaaaa, the very same guy who said he would have voted for Bernie Sanders, the politician who wants to make college education free.
I am perfectly willing to support Bernie ... since to make college education free, he has to pay for it himself ;-)
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:15:36 AM
Not the same but...Trump and Putin share the same secret - all that money laundered from the Russian oligarch into Trump business.
I know that bothers a lot of people. Maybe we should simply kill the millionaires?
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:23:12 AM
I know that bothers a lot of people. Maybe we should simply kill the millionaires?
Well if you ever accomplish that, remind me to send you a medal...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:25:09 AM
Well if you ever accomplish that, remind me to send you a medal...
My point exactly. But I won't be your judge. I can get irrational too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:10:49 AM
Sorry, I had gotten over it. But after 50 years, the degenerate grad students who didn't die of drug overdose or VD, are professor emeriti. Their ... disciples are the senior academics today making a new hash of things. Posted awhile back ... the best way for the public to deal with the chaos in the post-secondary education market, is to defund it. No reason for any taxpayer to pay for it. Let anyone who wants a specious degree in "underwater Marxism" pay full rate.
Yes, money is involved, unless you are a socialist, and in that case you stole the money from a tax payer.
@Cavebear ... the news cycle is too short for someone who only posts one day a week.
Actually, most grad students are working daily gigs. There are like 100+ times the grads students for the professor positions. And it depends on the subjects. When I was working in a building that scheduled conference rooms (an minor part of the office function), we used to get calls from Dept of Education offices who referred to themselves by the PhD in Charge (everyone had one) and they were HORRIFIED that we neither knew who those people were or cared.
Also, we had some co-workers who came to our office from The National Archives. You needed a PhD in history just to get an entry level position there. But not in our office. You had to be actually intelligent. One new co-worker demanded to be called "doctor". I made up a fake personal business card calling myself something like "The Master of Everything" and suggested that if she wanted to be called "Doctor" she should address me as my card said.
She dropped the "Doctor" nonsense. And she actually turned out to be utterly incompetent at any office task. She left.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:23:12 AM
I know that bothers a lot of people. Maybe we should simply kill the millionaires?
"Eat the rich" is too trite.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 12:22:34 AM
I am perfectly willing to support Bernie ... since to make college education free, he has to pay for it himself ;-)
You're kidding. Bernie is still wearing the same suit as in 1969. He can hardly pay for his own coffee...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:38:25 AM
You're kidding. Bernie is still wearing the same suit as in 1969. He can hardly pay for his own coffee...
As opposed to The Donald who makes the only money he gets by staying at his own places and making the Govt pay him to do it?
Well, I generally agree. I don't want either of them.
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 12, 2019, 08:33:37 AM
Thanks for explaining that. I wonder why impeachment is considered all that serious then, if a President can't be removed from office. Like if Trump is impeached, but doesn't get removed, what was gained? An impeached President could run for a second term.
True enough. The only real gain from a successful impeachment in the House would be that all the evidence of criminal activity and wrongdoings -- the required "high crimes and misdemeanors" -- would then all be on the public record, with the paper trail that validates the evidence.
The downside of course is that Republicans are utterly shameless and would claim that (for example) obstruction of justice is all right when Lord Dampnut or any other Republican does it, because they have a divine right to govern or some damn thing so the rules are different for them.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 12:38:25 AM
You're kidding. Bernie is still wearing the same suit as in 1969. He can hardly pay for his own coffee...
Hardly. He needs to ask for more free houses from Hillary. And he can sell them for a profit to SJWs on Ebay.
@Cavebear ... yes, the academic types want you to bow and scrape ;-) But a PhD in Librarianship might be useful if you were working at a major institution, like The National Archives.
I can give you an example. We were retiring the paper portion of the military medical records to The National Archives. Each box has to have a vetted index. All those indices are also electronic, for lookup. The PC (with squirrel in cage) a few years ago, that was the sole keeper of that digital record, had a hard drive failure with no recoverable backup. Rendering it impractical to ever retrieve the physical records. That wasn't a PhD in Librarianship action. After a hiatus on paper record retirement after 4 years, we were just starting to move to a new system, just before I left work. Another one of the countless small and great, of IT gaffs, in the government.
Quote from: trdsf on August 13, 2019, 01:42:41 AM
True enough. The only real gain from a successful impeachment in the House would be that all the evidence of criminal activity and wrongdoings -- the required "high crimes and misdemeanors" -- would then all be on the public record, with the paper trail that validates the evidence.
The downside of course is that Republicans are utterly shameless and would claim that (for example) obstruction of justice is all right when Lord Dampnut or any other Republican does it, because they have a divine right to govern or some damn thing so the rules are different for them.
Sometimes the shame or even threat of impeachment is enough to change history. Nixon resigned at the (convincing) threat. Not that I think Trump would, but even the threat might have some consequences.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 02:00:51 AM
@Cavebear ... yes, the academic types want you to bow and scrape ;-) But a PhD in Librarianship might be useful if you were working at a major institution, like The National Archives.
They were history PhDs, not librarians. Though given the research demands, that might be similar.
But the history PhD I knew best as a co=worker was interesting. He wasn't worth a damn as an office worker, but he was a Civil War re-enactor and and "The South Shall Rise Again" type. We had some great debates about Civil War battles. I think he was often shocked that I a "mere" history minor, often knew more about some battles and broad strategies than he did.
He could name Divisions and Generals. I could name maneuvers in battles. Drove him nuts...
He didn't actually know anything meaningful.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 12:46:37 AM
As opposed to The Donald who makes the only money he gets by staying at his own places and making the Govt pay him to do it?
Well, I generally agree. I don't want either of them.
Well at least Bernie is not swimming in rubles...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 02:40:18 AM
They were history PhDs, not librarians. Though given the research demands, that might be similar.
But the history PhD I knew best as a co=worker was interesting. He wasn't worth a damn as an office worker, but he was a Civil War re-enactor and and "The South Shall Rise Again" type. We had some great debates about Civil War battles. I think he was often shocked that I a "mere" history minor, often knew more about some battles and broad strategies than he did.
He could name Divisions and Generals. I could name maneuvers in battles. Drove him nuts...
He didn't actually know anything meaningful.
Sad. I consider history (which is mostly false reconstruction) to be mostly entertainment. A part of literature.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 05:41:14 AM
Well at least Bernie is not swimming in rubles...
He got married in Moscow Russia. Sucked Lenin's dead dick.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 06:14:12 AM
He got married in Moscow Russia. Sucked Lenin's dead dick.
Of course Bernie is evil, Donald is a saint. We know your broken record.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 06:13:22 AM
Sad. I consider history (which is mostly false reconstruction) to be mostly entertainment. A part of literature.
I'm sure that Mein Kampf is you favorite read...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 06:24:22 AM
Of course Bernie is evil, Donald is a saint. We know your broken record.
Haha, too bad Sen Joe McCarthy never waterboarded you. You were too young at the time. Never met an American hating commie you didn't like.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 06:36:16 AM
I'm sure that Mein Kampf is you favorite read...
You really have to use Lavoris. You have germans in your mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVwlUe_t3jg
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 10:33:20 AM
You really have to use Lavoris. You have germans in your mouth.
Pitching a product is unbecoming of you. Are you being enslaved by corporate greed???
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 04:17:33 AM
Pitching a product is unbecoming of you. Are you being enslaved by corporate greed???
You have gone so Left, you are Right.
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 08:35:49 AM
You have gone so Left, you are Right.
Not quite correct but almost: Left + Right = Center.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 01:21:55 PM
I've been expecting a global economic downturn caused by Trump.
Treasury inversion is the first sign that a recession is on its way. DJI down 400 points at this moment. Expect more of this.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 10:35:56 AMDJI down 400 points at this moment. Expect more of this.
Timing the market can be hard, but yeah, I'm concerned too that there's more to come. All Trump had to do on the economy was nothing, and his NPD makes that impossible.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
Not quite correct but almost: Left + Right = Center.
I am Center, so you are anti-Center. I did the survey on-line, I was the most centric of anyone. Gilgamesh was banned, so was Pr126 ... so there was no one to the Right of me, just people more or less to the Left of me. So I am relatively Right.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 10:35:56 AM
Treasury inversion is the first sign that a recession is on its way. DJI down 400 points at this moment. Expect more of this.
Well, if one is dependent on financial instruments for income (say stocks/bonds) then like the Rothschilds, one is pro-EU and pro-Wall Street. Statesmen (are there any) care and don't care about finance, because it is a means, not an end, and they know that the final battle for the People, is against the Banks. The current psychopathy is to trick people into accepting negative interest rates, first apparently in Germany ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/eurozone-bonds/update-3-yields-across-entire-german-bond-market-dip-below-zero-for-first-time-idUSL8N24Y326
Eventually across the EU, then the rest of the West and finally the US (primary world currency). This is all part of the plot (Rothschild thru Hong Kong via Zurich) of moving the world's financial system out of NYC, London, Bonn ... to China. And then the Yuan will be the primary world currency.
Basically, the next step beyond The Jekyll Island Conspiracy, the Bretton-Woods Conspiracy, the Petro-Dollar Conspiracy etc. The bankers would rather have corrupt Chinese communists control the world, rather than corrupt European socialists and their American allies. This is why all gold has been moving to China and Russia for years now. All financial systems have gold as an anchor to their system, there is no pure fiat system, just over extended gold systems. Which is why the destruction of Hong Kong would have interesting effects on the future of the dollar, pound and euro.
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
So I am relatively Right.
Not by conviction, as you have no conviction, but only because you're screwed up...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 01:33:23 PM
Not by conviction, as you have no conviction, but only because you're screwed up...
Feel the love ... aww, umm ...
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
one is ... pro-Wall Street.
What the hell does that mean?? Whenever you see Wall Street, you cheer???
QuoteStatesmen (are there any) care and don't care about finance, because it is a means, not an end, and they know that the final battle for the People, is against the Banks.
Have yet to meet people who have an account in a bank they hope won't make a profit!?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 01:40:41 PM
What the hell does that mean?? Whenever you see Wall Street, you cheer???
Have yet to meet people who have an account in a bank they hope won't make a profit!?
People already get negative yield (not negative interest) since 2008, because of the "fix" to the world financial system by the Fed. It was very destructive of my mother's retirement, even though she was invested with reliable people. Real inflation rate is generally higher than return .. unless you have access to corrupt scams like ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Madoff
Yes, mass hypnosis works. It is called marketing/sales. Founded by Freud's nephew ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
This is why political and commercial propaganda has been so successful since 1920.
The reason for negative interest rate is so that a new level of creative accounting can be foisted thru the accounting audit agencies.
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 01:45:41 PM
Real inflation rate is generally higher than return .. .
Depends on the type of investment. Generally speaking, stocks give you a higher return, while treasury bonds offer more security. But there is always a risk factor in any type of investment. It's a question of how much you can tolerate or how comfortable you are. Now it's possible if you have a mix portfolio, your return could be lower than inflation, but that depends from case to case.
QuoteThe reason for negative interest rate is so that a new level of creative accounting can be foisted thru the accounting audit agencies.
Don't think you have a good grasp on negative interest. These are used when the economy is faced with a liquidity trap. In that case savings rate have to go down as monetary policies become ineffective. Besides there are only a few countries that have a policy of negative interest, the US is not one.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 02:08:33 PM
Depends on the type of investment. Generally speaking, stocks give you a higher return, while treasury bonds offer more security. But there is always a risk factor in any type of investment. It's a question of how much you can tolerate or how comfortable you are. Now it's possible if you have a mix portfolio, your return could be lower than inflation, but that depends from case to case.
Don't think you have a good grasp on negative interest. These are used when the economy is faced with a liquidity trap. In that case savings rate have to go down as monetary policies become ineffective. Besides there are only a few countries that have a policy of negative interest, the US is not one.
The world is in a liquidity trap. Partly as a consequence of the "non fix" the Fed did in 2008-2009 and because the Euro isn't viable (a tool for Franco-German predation on the rest of the EU). The Yuan is a communist scam. The Yen is under water since ... 1990. The Pound is just for old times sake. And the Dollar is continuously used as a weapon of wealth destruction/transfer by the Dark State. This is why it is suggested, by the usual suspects, that all nations should be on legal negative interest rate .. because the corrupt accountants/auditors would love it. The fact is, money laundering is not only not illegal, it is mandatory (but not for you and I).
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 02:11:52 PM
The world is in a liquidity trap. Partly as a consequence of the "non fix" the Fed did in 2008-2009 and because the Euro isn't viable (a tool for Franco-German predation on the rest of the EU). The Yuan is a communist scam. The Yen is under water since ... 1990. The Pound is just for old times sake. And the Dollar is continuously used as a weapon of wealth destruction/transfer by the Dark State. This is why it is suggested, by the usual suspects, that all nations should be on legal negative interest rate .. because the corrupt accountants/auditors would love it. The fact is, money laundering is not only not illegal, it is mandatory (but not for you and I).
It's more complicated than that. Countries are piling up deficits as it is politically difficult to balance a budget: people want more tax cuts (the Repub) or more gov. spending (the Dem). The net effect is increasing deficit with every cycle - unsustainable. On top of that, recession comes - they are inevitable, part the business cycle - we have expansionary deficits or QE, creating more deficits. There comes a point when monetary policies will fail to revive the economy. Enter negative interests, hoping that people will go and spend rather park their money in a saving account that now requires you to pay fees instead of getting interest on your money.
It's not a conspiracy theory as much as it's just politicians who are incompetent in economics matters, or lack courage to do the right thing, much easier to offer candies at election times.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 02:28:30 PM
It's more complicated than that. Countries are piling up deficits as it is politically difficult to balance a budget: people want more tax cuts (the Repub) or more gov. spending (the Dem). The net effect is increasing deficit with every cycle - unsustainable. On top of that, recession comes - they are inevitable, part the business cycle - we have expansionary deficits or QE, creating more deficits. There comes a point when monetary policies will fail to revive the economy. Enter negative interests, hoping that people will go and spend rather park their money in a saving account that now requires you to pay fees instead of getting interest on your money.
It's not a conspiracy theory as much as it's just politicians who are incompetent in economics matters, or lack courage to do the right thing, much easier to offer candies at election times.
Everything is more complicated than that. That is how investment councilors make their money duping investors. And yes, of course politicians are incompetent, at everything. That is why I can no longer support democracy. Socrates was right about that.
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 07:23:41 PM
Everything is more complicated than that. That is how investment councilors make their money duping investors. And yes, of course politicians are incompetent, at everything. That is why I can no longer support democracy. Socrates was right about that.
I'm surprised Trump is not included in your post. Must have been a slow day. Anyway, no democracy, so fascism is your cup of tea. Got it...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
I'm surprised Trump is not included in your post. Must have been a slow day. Anyway, no democracy, so fascism is your cup of tea. Got it...
Trump didn't do anything wrong, that wasn't already done by other publicity parasites.
No I hate all human beings. Because all of you are Nazis/Stalinist aka anti-Semites. Even Jewish people fit those two categories. I wouldn't want to live for centuries and centuries, the disappointment would be murder.
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 07:54:44 PM
Trump didn't do anything wrong, that wasn't already done by other publicity parasites.
That settles it. You're an incorrigible Apologist for Trump.
QuoteNo I hate all human beings. Because all of you are Nazis/Stalinist aka anti-Semites. Even Jewish people fit those two categories. I wouldn't want to live for centuries and centuries, the disappointment would be murder.
Hmm, you sound like one of those self-hating Jews.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
That settles it. You're an incorrigible Apologist for Trump.
Hmm, you sound like one of those self-hating Jews.
I portray a self-hating American. But that is a deception to avoid liquidation by the DNC commissars.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
That settles it. You're an incorrigible Apologist for Trump.
Hmm, you sound like one of those self-hating Jews.
As to the first, well, duh, he has been like that for years. He loves dictators he thinks he can benefit from and avoid personally. He has admitted that often.
As to the 2nd, that is a claim you might want to avoid as it suggests you are either able to get into his mind or are a therapist with some personal knowledge you shouldn't divulge.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 07:12:12 AM
As to the first, well, duh, he has been like that for years. He loves dictators he thinks he can benefit from and avoid personally. He has admitted that often.
As to the 2nd, that is a claim you might want to avoid as it suggests you are either able to get into his mind or are a therapist with some personal knowledge you shouldn't divulge.
The Democratic mob isn't even the Italian mob. Joe is kissing cousin to pr126.
Trump disapproval nears record high (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457480-trump-disapproval-rises-to-near-record-fox-news-poll)
It's kind if hard to believe that there are any more votes to flip, but here we are. Teflon Don is flaking.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 15, 2019, 08:22:58 AM
Trump disapproval nears record high (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457480-trump-disapproval-rises-to-near-record-fox-news-poll)
It's kind if hard to believe that there are any more votes to flip, but here we are. Teflon Don is flaking.
Lots of Americans support China in the trade war.
Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 08:15:59 AM
The Democratic mob isn't even the Italian mob. Joe is kissing cousin to pr126.
Joe who? Biden? McCarthy? Di Maggio?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 07:12:12 AM
As to the first, well, duh, he has been like that for years. He loves dictators he thinks he can benefit from and avoid personally. He has admitted that often.
As to the 2nd, that is a claim you might want to avoid as it suggests you are either able to get into his mind or are a therapist with some personal knowledge you shouldn't divulge.
The second is a deduction from Baruch' use of g-d, which is a signature that Jews use. So self-hating Jew would fit his character.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 09:27:57 AM
The second is a deduction from Baruch' use of g-d, which is a signature that Jews use. So self-hating Jew would fit his character.
Many people use the euphemism g-d among others. Don't push this idea of self-hatred farther though please. You do NOT know what is in another person's mind.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 15, 2019, 08:22:58 AM
Trump disapproval nears record high (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457480-trump-disapproval-rises-to-near-record-fox-news-poll)
It's kind if hard to believe that there are any more votes to flip, but here we are. Teflon Don is flaking.
Still--43% still approve. For me, that is still mind-boggling.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 09:31:58 AM
Many people use the euphemism g-d among others. Don't push this idea of self-hatred farther though please. You do NOT know what is in another person's mind.
Sure, no one really knows what's inside another person's mind. But Baruch is so full of it, he needs to be called out. And once in a while, shooting a dart in the dark to go fishing just to see what makes the man tick is part of the game...
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 15, 2019, 09:42:06 AM
Still--43% still approve. For me, that is still mind-boggling.
Yeah, that seems pretty bizarre to me too. I do not understand my farmer ancestors. I did not realize how obstinately dumb they were (and apparently) are. But as Gandalf said in LOTR, if simple people live simple lives, they will have simple thoughts. And clever politicians manipulate them. And I'm not one-sided about that. It happens in cities too.
But I have always hoped that both the "salt of the earth" and the "strugglers in the cities" would know better than to support someone like Trump.
We'll see in 2020, if impeachment does not happen before then (not that I expect it will).
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 15, 2019, 08:22:58 AM
Trump disapproval nears record high (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/457480-trump-disapproval-rises-to-near-record-fox-news-poll)
It's kind if hard to believe that there are any more votes to flip, but here we are. Teflon Don is flaking.
Reagan was known as "the Teflon president," but Trump makes Teflon look like 40-grit sandpaper!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Yeah, that seems pretty bizarre to me too. I do not understand my farmer ancestors. I did not realize how obstinately dumb they were (and apparently) are. But as Gandalf said in LOTR, if simple people live simple lives, they will have simple thoughts. And clever politicians manipulate them. And I'm not one-sided about that. It happens in cities too.
But I have always hoped that both the "salt of the earth" and the "strugglers in the cities" would know better than to support someone like Trump.
We'll see in 2020, if impeachment does not happen before then (not that I expect it will).
I still think the pesticides and fertilizers the rural population has been ingesting for decades has impaired the reasoning ability of millions of them. That and the on-going program to dumb down America has left us with a voting populace that can't vote rationally, and can be easily manipulated by the media (which is mostly corporate-owned).
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:57:30 PM
I still think the pesticides and fertilizers the rural population has been ingesting for decades has impaired the reasoning ability of millions of them. That and the on-going program to dumb down America has left us with a voting populace that can't vote rationally, and can be easily manipulated by the media (which is mostly corporate-owned).
And you can't rule out lead and heavy metal products either. But I think it is simpler than that. You live and die with random events like weather, you stop thinking rationally and just pray to anything sometimes.
Now Trump is blaming the Media for the recent economic woes. Indeed, the media is the enemy of the people.
I thought he was blaming the Fed, too. Of course, he'll blame anyone but himself and his own policies.
That too. But Putin is always blameless...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
Now Trump is blaming the Media for the recent economic woes.
I thought he said the economy's never been better (thanks to him) because of [insert cherry-picked statistics]
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 15, 2019, 04:52:05 PM
I thought he said the economy's never been better (thanks to him) because of [insert cherry-picked statistics]
Yeah, but a drop of 800 points had to have a cause. Media, easy target, his base loves it when he goes on the attack. Frequent comment: I love the way he drives the media crazy...
I'm sure they don't mind viewers glued to the tv to see today's scandal.
All this coverage was the reason he got the lead in the republican primary.
They feed off each other.
I rather look at them as part of a cult - Trump the leader cult can do no wrong, and Trump as a master con artist fits perfectly with them. They ought to make a movie, I'm sure it would be a hit at the box office.
(https://i.redd.it/t5ln9jgivlg31.jpg)
Well, if you insist...
It's not Trump's fault, it was the damned Federal Reserve Bank that did it! Or the Democrats. Or anyone other than Trump.
Did Trump pressure Bibi to ban Omar and Tlaib from going to Israel? What a cunt...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 10:00:13 AM
Yeah, that seems pretty bizarre to me too. I do not understand my farmer ancestors. I did not realize how obstinately dumb they were (and apparently) are. But as Gandalf said in LOTR, if simple people live simple lives, they will have simple thoughts. And clever politicians manipulate them. And I'm not one-sided about that. It happens in cities too.
But I have always hoped that both the "salt of the earth" and the "strugglers in the cities" would know better than to support someone like Trump.
We'll see in 2020, if impeachment does not happen before then (not that I expect it will).
Impeachment will not happen. And he will be re-elected in 2020. The basic, typical, USAian (not American for the rest of America isn't quite that stupid--well, for Brazil maybe) is just that stupid and racist. Trump proves that on a daily basis. His base is convinced god put him where he is, that he is their friend, and that the colored hordes are overruning the USA--so he cannot do wrong and the media and dems are simply butt hurt and trying to harm god's agent. None of that is true, but you cannot dissuade his followers of any of it using reason or critical thinking. And the dems are too inept to make a dent in any of it. This country as we both knew growing up is no longer.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 15, 2019, 08:10:21 PM
Impeachment will not happen. And he will be re-elected in 2020. The basic, typical, USAian (not American for the rest of America isn't quite that stupid--well, for Brazil maybe) is just that stupid and racist. Trump proves that on a daily basis. His base is convinced god put him where he is, that he is their friend, and that the colored hordes are overruning the USA--so he cannot do wrong and the media and dems are simply butt hurt and trying to harm god's agent. None of that is true, but you cannot dissuade his followers of any of it using reason or critical thinking. And the dems are too inept to make a dent in any of it. This country as we both knew growing up is no longer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7jHJRSzhM
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:47:46 PM
That too. But Putin is always blameless...
Also according to Trump only people of color are racist. People in Charlottesville? Fine people. David Duke? Never heard of him. But any person of color (not including orange) who criticises him is a racist.
There was a lady in the check-out line at the store yesterday talking to some poor fellow about how the news is lying to us, the Democrats want absolute rule, and so on, and on, and on. The guy wasn't buying her silliness, but was stoically just shrugging and harrumphing. Then she told him he should watch FOX News to learn the truth, and he broke up laughing. Of course I didn't say anything - I'm scared of Trump's fan club.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
There was a lady in the check-out line at the store yesterday talking to some poor fellow about how the news is lying to us, the Democrats want absolute rule, and so on, and on, and on. The guy wasn't buying her silliness, but was stoically just shrugging and harrumphing. Then she told him he should watch FOX News to learn the truth, and he broke up laughing. Of course I didn't say anything - I'm scared of Trump's fan club.
Without a doubt Fox News is one of the worst things ever to happen to this nation. I've seen perfectly normal people turn batshit crazy in a year or two on Fox News. It happens a lot when a moderately conservative person retires and goes on a 7x24 Fox News I.V. drip, thus the need for the term "Fox Geezer Syndrome."
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 15, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7jHJRSzhM
This is where we are as a country. Just as one cannot use logic or reasoning to talk to any theist who comes to this board (you can use it, but it will have no impact), logic, reasoning, scientific facts, or critical thinking just no longer works. We are now being controlled by the most stupid, vapid people of the country; reason and logic should prevail--not in the face of christian belief. I will not live to see the end of the country, but it is not far off.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 09:47:22 AM
Sure, no one really knows what's inside another person's mind. But Baruch is so full of it, he needs to be called out. And once in a while, shooting a dart in the dark to go fishing just to see what makes the man tick is part of the game...
A caped crusader you are. But remember Incredibles ... capes are out, a safety hazard.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:47:46 PM
That too. But Putin is always blameless...
Democrats are blameless.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
Now Trump is blaming the Media for the recent economic woes. Indeed, the media is the enemy of the people.
MSM aka Pravda aka DNC aka CIA
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 08:07:47 PM
Did Trump pressure Bibi to ban Omar and Tlaib from going to Israel? What a cunt...
If you were pro-Israeli, you would want Omar and Tlaib shot. BTW - I am not pro-Israeli.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 15, 2019, 08:10:21 PM
Impeachment will not happen. And he will be re-elected in 2020. The basic, typical, USAian (not American for the rest of America isn't quite that stupid--well, for Brazil maybe) is just that stupid and racist. Trump proves that on a daily basis. His base is convinced god put him where he is, that he is their friend, and that the colored hordes are overruning the USA--so he cannot do wrong and the media and dems are simply butt hurt and trying to harm god's agent. None of that is true, but you cannot dissuade his followers of any of it using reason or critical thinking. And the dems are too inept to make a dent in any of it. This country as we both knew growing up is no longer.
House of Representatives are filing the paperwork. If they can figure that out, he will be impeached. But probably not convicted.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 08:16:27 PM
There was a lady in the check-out line at the store yesterday talking to some poor fellow about how the news is lying to us, the Democrats want absolute rule, and so on, and on, and on. The guy wasn't buying her silliness, but was stoically just shrugging and harrumphing. Then she told him he should watch FOX News to learn the truth, and he broke up laughing. Of course I didn't say anything - I'm scared of Trump's fan club.
She is correct, unfortunately. All the Dems are related to the Bat Boy. I saw this at the checkout, in the Inquirer ;-)
Quote from: aileron on August 15, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
Also according to Trump only people of color are racist. People in Charlottesville? Fine people. David Duke? Never heard of him. But any person of color (not including orange) who criticises him is a racist.
No, we are all racist. The claim by the Dems, is the Marxist belief that only Whites are racist. The word "racist" was invented by Trotsky in the 30s. All college demonstrators in the 60s and now are followers of Trotsky. Please check again with your local commissar. And yes, David Duke marches down my street, every day.
Quote from: aileron on August 15, 2019, 08:21:36 PM
Without a doubt Fox News is one of the worst things ever to happen to this nation. I've seen perfectly normal people turn batshit crazy in a year or two on Fox News. It happens a lot when a moderately conservative person retires and goes on a 7x24 Fox News I.V. drip, thus the need for the term "Fox Geezer Syndrome."
Commcast. Is Vox still a thing? Compete or die.
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 01:01:37 AM
A caped crusader you are. But remember Incredibles ... capes are out, a safety hazard.
Get real, we're just having fun...
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 01:06:26 AM
If you were pro-Israeli, you would want Omar and Tlaib shot. BTW - I am not pro-Israeli.
Bibi missed a great opportunity: Omar and Tlaib would have had a chance to see up close and personal what is really going on in Israel and change their perception. Bibi is an idiot.
Too bad Greenland is not for sale, Trump would have made a great catch. With global warming, think of all the golf courses Trump could have built! As the Danes would say, "Han er ikke skør."
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 08:15:11 AM
Bibi missed a great opportunity: Omar and Tlaib would have had a chance to see up close and personal what is really going on in Israel and change their perception. Bibi is an idiot.
Bibi changed on Tlaib, because Tlaib wanted to see her grandmother there. Like a feminist, she turned him down unless he converts to Islam and castrates himself at neck level. The Muslims are confused as to why they aren't more popular.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 11:27:42 AM
Too bad Greenland is not for sale, Trump would have made a great catch. With global warming, think of all the golf courses Trump could have built! As the Danes would say, "Han er ikke skør."
Ja han er.
Since being named Iceland didn't work out as good marketing for Erik the Red, he doubled down on the ... shifty real estate deal called ... Greenland.
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
... she turned him down unless he converts to Islam and castrates himself at neck level.
I wanna see a picture of that...
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 05:13:06 PM
Ja han er.
Since being named Iceland didn't work out as good marketing for Erik the Red, he doubled down on the ... shifty real estate deal called ... Greenland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRZ-IxZ46ng)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-shell-workers-only-paid-if-attended-trump-speech_n_5d576dd7e4b056fafd0c08db?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=politics_fb§ion=politics&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&fbclid=IwAR3Fi_15fjuvutLOq_RUWtXR4CurmThJg3dAIeE7cKLfp_kXSFRd1dCi07w
Shell workers were threatened with losing their pay, if they did not attend a Trump speech. No protests allowed. Wonder what the "free speech" advocates think of that. Any outrage from Fox News? Ben Shapiro? Steven Crowder? Anybody?
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 18, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-shell-workers-only-paid-if-attended-trump-speech_n_5d576dd7e4b056fafd0c08db?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=politics_fb§ion=politics&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&fbclid=IwAR3Fi_15fjuvutLOq_RUWtXR4CurmThJg3dAIeE7cKLfp_kXSFRd1dCi07w
Shell workers were threatened with losing their pay, if they did not attend a Trump speech. No protests allowed. Wonder what the "free speech" advocates think of that. Any outrage from Fox News? Ben Shapiro? Steven Crowder? Anybody?
Ah, but Hatch law only applies to GS workers. Just like Bill of Rights only applies to how the government treats you. The Bill of Rights doesn't apply to any private corporation or other employer. This is why under "producer" legal definition, the government can use Google et al to get around the Bill of Rights.
As a government contractor, I have never seen any coercion of the kind you mentioned, on any military, GS or government contractors. All the required attendance always had to do with issues unique to internal government need and supervision or public health (post-rape treatment).
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 18, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pennsylvania-shell-workers-only-paid-if-attended-trump-speech_n_5d576dd7e4b056fafd0c08db?utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=politics_fb§ion=politics&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&fbclid=IwAR3Fi_15fjuvutLOq_RUWtXR4CurmThJg3dAIeE7cKLfp_kXSFRd1dCi07w
Shell workers were threatened with losing their pay, if they did not attend a Trump speech. No protests allowed. Wonder what the "free speech" advocates think of that. Any outrage from Fox News? Ben Shapiro? Steven Crowder? Anybody?
Unfortunately, Shell is a private company. The bosses can make those requirements. Still it's crass on their part.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Unfortunately, Shell is a private company. The bosses can make those requirements. Still it's crass on their part.
I'm not so sure about that. Withholding pay to impose political participation is very dicey. If you work, you're entitled to your pay. I'm fairly certain the IRS would not accept "but they didn't pretend to show support for Trump" as an excuse. Calling it "optional" is also complete nonsense. Bullying is what it is. Why do Conservatives think it's okay to impose their religious/political views on employees, but whine when a football player kneels? "We're not paying you to protest!" Well, unless I'm working at a church, I'm not being paid to promote your bullshit either. Fucking hypocrites, all of them.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 18, 2019, 02:40:33 PM
I'm not so sure about that. Withholding pay to impose political participation is very dicey. If you work, you're entitled to your pay. I'm fairly certain the IRS would not accept "but they didn't pretend to show support for Trump" as an excuse. Calling it "optional" is also complete nonsense. Bullying is what it is. Why do Conservatives think it's okay to impose their religious/political views on employees, but whine when a football player kneels? "We're not paying you to protest!" Well, unless I'm working at a church, I'm not being paid to promote your bullshit either. Fucking hypocrites, all of them.
I understand. It can only be characterized as disgusting. But for many of those folks, they are working from paycheck to paycheck, hard for them to risk getting fire. OTOH, they can get their revenge at the ballot box.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
Unfortunately, Shell is a private company. The bosses can make those requirements.
Yeah, corporations are not democratic entities. There's nothing at all democratic about capitalism.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 18, 2019, 02:40:33 PM
I'm not so sure about that. Withholding pay to impose political participation is very dicey. If you work, you're entitled to your pay. I'm fairly certain the IRS would not accept "but they didn't pretend to show support for Trump" as an excuse. Calling it "optional" is also complete nonsense. Bullying is what it is. Why do Conservatives think it's okay to impose their religious/political views on employees, but whine when a football player kneels? "We're not paying you to protest!" Well, unless I'm working at a church, I'm not being paid to promote your bullshit either. Fucking hypocrites, all of them.
Everything is open to contention, lawyer up and see what "justice" is.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 02:55:19 PM
I understand. It can only be characterized as disgusting. But for many of those folks, they are working from paycheck to paycheck, hard for them to risk getting fire. OTOH, they can get their revenge at the ballot box.
They can always quit, and join the Army of Unemployed ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 18, 2019, 05:17:50 PM
Yeah, corporations are not democratic entities. There's nothing at all democratic about capitalism.
There is nothing democratic about marriage or families either. If you like democracy, go get a boyfriend in ancient Athens (who qualifies for full citizenship). The point of democracy is to get the proles to pretend that they have a choice. Fraud for over 2000 years now.
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 08:27:24 PM
The point of democracy is to get the proles to pretend that they have a choice. Fraud for over 2000 years now.
!980, Carter defeated; 1992, Bush Sr defeated. The proles do have a choice.
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 08:25:47 PM
They can always quit, and join the Army of Unemployed ;-)
Grow up. Life is never that easy.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 05:15:28 AM
!980, Carter defeated; 1992, Bush Sr defeated. The proles do have a choice.
A choice between CIA preselected candidates. No free candidates since 1948.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 05:16:24 AM
Grow up. Life is never that easy.
Sartre says .. you always have a choice. You can choose to join the Resistance even if it means certainty of dying. Unfortunately, in the case of economic collapse, being in the Army of Unemployed is short term, not because you return to employment, but because you die.
Plenty of people I have known, have joined the Army, to avoid the Army of Unemployed. Your idol (of all academics, who are mostly government employees) didn't predict that. His beard also failed to predict consumerism. How could he? He operated in the days of the Robber Barons and steam trains enabled by state right of way giveaways.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:01:14 AM
A choice between CIA preselected candidates. No free candidates since 1948.
So Trump is a preselected candidate... and I thought Putin preselected him.
CRACKPOT
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:07:41 AM
So Trump is a preselected candidate... and I thought Putin preselected him.
CRACKPOT
You are obsessed. Either at everything Russian (Russo-phobia) or everything Putin (Putin-phobia). This isn't a philosophy or politics, it is a medical condition. Of course both Russia and Putin exist. You aren't delusional or hallucinating (seeing pink elephants). Those aren't medically the same. It is normal, to have a temporary idea fixe. What is abnormal is the inability to change attention/hypothesis. This is a psychopathy (not a psychosis).
I understand this. The army of dirty commies is hiding under my bed. Plausible because commies are real. Not plausible in that not more than one can fit under my bed ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:05:03 AM
Sartre says .. you always have a choice. You can choose to join the Resistance even if it means certainty of dying. Unfortunately, in the case of economic collapse, being in the Army of Unemployed is short term, not because you return to employment, but because you die.
Sartre never joined the Resistance. He said, "Never were we freer than under the German occupation." He needed to be in a prison in order to be free. Perhaps you should check yourself in a mental institute. You'll never be so free...
QuotePlenty of people I have known, have joined the Army, to avoid the Army of Unemployed. Your idol (of all academics, who are mostly government employees) didn't predict that. His beard also failed to predict consumerism. How could he? He operated in the days of the Robber Barons and steam trains enabled by state right of way giveaways.
Intellectual pursuit is far more important than joining the Army. Without it, we'd be still living in caves to the age of 38, still believing that thunder is the wrath of a deity and we must sacrifice a young virgin to appease it.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:14:56 AM
You are obsessed.
No, the obsession is yours with conspiracy theory. That you project that on me is another symptom of your mental condition.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:18:06 AM
No, the obsession is yours with conspiracy theory. That you project that on me is another symptom of your mental condition.
Anything not DNC is false, is fake news? Really. Not that the RNC isn't an evil conspiracy also. All of politics is a conspiracy, just ask the First Continental Congress.
Yes academics have some value. I am not a philistine or Palestinian. But the value of X is less than members of X suppose. But look up "intelligentsia". They are not good people. The authorities are right to exterminate them as a threat to whatever revolution is happening.
Perhaps I have confused Camus with Sartre. But if you look up "existentialism" I am essentially correct. The only real alternative any animal, any human has ... is no alternative at all. Death is the only choice. This is definitely Camus.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:31:28 AM
Anything not DNC is false, is fake news? Really. Not that the RNC isn't an evil conspiracy also. All of politics is a conspiracy, just ask the First Continental Congress.
Define conspiracy. I think your definition is way off the board. Enlighten me.
QuotePerhaps I have confused Camus with Sartre. But if you look up "existentialism" I am essentially correct. The only real alternative any animal, any human has ... is no alternative at all. Death is the only choice. This is definitely Camus.
Yes, one day we'll die but in the meantime, has anyone ever told you that life is another choice?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:51:23 AM
Define conspiracy. I think your definition is way off the board. Enlighten me.
Yes, one day we'll die but in the meantime, has anyone ever told you that life is another choice?
Two or more people, often representing two or more factions of a single organization, or two or more organizations meet privately for political purpose. Aka all normal politics that happens behind closed doors (all the interesting parts of politics) is a conspiracy against the People. Same as commerce (see Adam Smith's other writings). This is as it was in ancient Athens, and still is today. It can't be anything else. The idea that this is "in the public interest" is a pink elephant.
In the long run, life isn't an available choice. Not even if you are religious and believe in immortality (implausible). It is questionable if it were a good thing to live another day, but definitely a bad idea (given biology and entropy) to live on indefinitely. There was a minor Greek myth about this. A daughter got the gods to give her father immortality, but forgot to ask for eternal youth. The support of an always declining father was like living in Hades.
L'chaim is for the moment. We can only live in the present, not in the past or future. So given this terrible circumstance all humans find themselves in, what shall we do? Breath and heartbeat are usually autonomous, we don't choose them.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
Two or more people, often representing two or more factions of a single organization, or two or more organizations meet privately for political purpose. Aka all normal politics that happens behind closed doors (all the interesting parts of politics) is a conspiracy against the People. Same as commerce (see Adam Smith's other writings). This is as it was in ancient Athens, and still is today. It can't be anything else. The idea that this is "in the public interest" is a pink elephant.
In the long run, life isn't an available choice. Not even if you are religious and believe in immortality (implausible). It is questionable if it were a good thing to live another day, but definitely a bad idea (given biology and entropy) to live on indefinitely. There was a minor Greek myth about this. A daughter got the gods to give her father immortality, but forgot to ask for eternal youth. The support of an always declining father was like living in Hades.
L'chaim is for the moment. We can only live in the present, not in the past or future. So given this terrible circumstance all humans find themselves in, what shall we do? Breath and heartbeat are usually autonomous, we don't choose them.
Try a real dictionary - Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 02:01:06 PM
Try a real dictionary - Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
Secret = private
Group = two or more monkeys
Unlawful/harmful = anything monkeys do
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 02:46:23 PM
Secret = private
Group = two or more monkeys
Unlawful/harmful = anything monkeys do
Monkeys eat, shit, copulate... no crime there. So I'm spot on: you see conspiracies everywhere. Your mind has been infected. Time for quarantine...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
Now Trump is blaming the Media for the recent economic woes. Indeed, the media is the enemy of the people.
Very Trumpian. The media is not dedicated to Trump. It is dedicated to facts. Facts are what mattrers...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 02:42:25 AM
Very Trumpian. The media is not dedicated to Trump. It is dedicated to facts. Facts are what mattrers...
media is dedicated to sensationalism and advertising. Yellow journalism and tabloidism.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 02:42:25 AM
Very Trumpian. The media is not dedicated to Trump. It is dedicated to facts. Facts are what mattrers...
Depends upon what one calls media and who/what the media is. Faux is not out for facts and is about supporting trump. The 'media' is not a single entity and each part of the media exists for different reasons. As in all things, one has to try to figure out the bias of each media outlet to determine if they have any value at all.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 20, 2019, 09:06:55 AM
Depends upon what one calls media and who/what the media is. Faux is not out for facts and is about supporting trump. The 'media' is not a single entity and each part of the media exists for different reasons. As in all things, one has to try to figure out the bias of each media outlet to determine if they have any value at all.
Have you noticed that Trump is actually challenging Faux News as being too leftist lately? That's a give-away that he is going farther right than even they can stand...
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 20, 2019, 09:06:55 AM
Depends upon what one calls media and who/what the media is. Faux is not out for facts and is about supporting trump. The 'media' is not a single entity and each part of the media exists for different reasons. As in all things, one has to try to figure out the bias of each media outlet to determine if they have any value at all.
The people invited to the White House press room. That is the MSM. Unless you want to only include DNC approved media, that would exclude Fox. I liked Trump's initial instinct to stop the official press room and simply Tweet. But the Deep State has made him change in a lot of ways. The wars must go on.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
The people invited to the White House press room. That is the MSM. Unless you want to only include DNC approved media, that would exclude Fox. I liked Trump's initial instinct to stop the official press room and simply Tweet. But the Deep State has made him change in a lot of ways. The wars must go on.
Well, OF COURSE you would prefer Trumpish tweets. They are as without content as most of your own posts are. You two are a perfect match.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 11:53:00 AM
Well, OF COURSE you would prefer Trumpish tweets. They are as without content as most of your own posts are. You two are a perfect match.
Angry Birds ;-) MSM = electronic bird cage material.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 01:51:01 PM
Angry Birds ;-) MSM = electronic bird cage material.
I have never done "Angry Birds". I Have done Penguin Whack and am quite good at it (though recognize that distance is mostly a matter of chip speed. Silly as it seems, what cracks me up in Penguin Whack is when the bird says "OK".
"Approval for Whack". What a concept...
The art of the deal (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/20/donald-trump-cancels-denmark-meeting-over-greenlan)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 21, 2019, 06:47:09 AM
The art of the deal (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/20/donald-trump-cancels-denmark-meeting-over-greenlan)
Yep, something is rotten in Denmark. There are strategic reasons for the the US to prevent "Chinese" interest in buying Greenland.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46386867
Yes, the Arctic is important. Yes, the US has had a base at Thule for decades now. Yes, Democrats will do anything to aid their Beijing masters ever since Al Gore was caught soliciting campaign funds from Chinese sources in California. BTW - Iceland was occupied by the US/Brits during WW II, because of its strategic importance, after Denmark was occupied by the Nazis. Meanwhile Russia is working hard to militarize the Arctic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-arctic-military-presence-nato-worried-us-report-tensions-north-america-a7934741.html
Part of Cold War 2.0 ... Dems should approve ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqzWe1p6r34
62% disapproval rating (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458381-poll-most-americans-disapprove-of-trumps-job-performance-despite)
I'd love to see how the pseudomerican Jerries spin this.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 22, 2019, 02:19:12 PM
62% disapproval rating (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/458381-poll-most-americans-disapprove-of-trumps-job-performance-despite)
I'd love to see how the pseudomerica Jerries spin this.
Yes, politicians are not the most popular people ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/
Hope if Biden in the D-party nominee, I hope he stays out of the nursing home until after the Inauguration ;-(
Popularity contests ... this is why I no longer support voting.
The_Donald on the amazon rainforest fires:
(https://i.redd.it/rmeazcmnu0i31.jpg)
"I don't understand why people think that liberals have a monopoly on environmentalism, conservatives strive to be good custodians, too!"
Reelect me and I'll gut Medicare! (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-republicans-federal-deficit)
Oh yeah, this clown definitely deserves another term.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 23, 2019, 08:47:41 AM
Reelect me and I'll gut Medicare! (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-republicans-federal-deficit)
Oh yeah, this clown definitely deserves another term.
Quite a few individual medical claims are fraudulent. If they can't get ahold of the rate of fraud and bring it down, they have no choice but to cancel it (and replace). I hope that isn't necessary. This is similar to President Clinton ending "welfare as we know it" during his second term. My daughter depends on Medicaid (not the same program). My current retirement medical plan is to simply die of natural causes.
Did you hear the one about Bernie wanting to spend 16 trillion on climate change abatement? That would buy quite a few kidney transplants.
I love seeing a "Like" on my posts and guessing who it will be. The previous one, I guessed MikeCL and was right.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 23, 2019, 08:47:41 AM
Reelect me and I'll gut Medicare! (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-republicans-federal-deficit)
Oh yeah, this clown definitely deserves another term.
And I cringe at how many people getting Medicare will support him on that because they don'y know the "that gawdawful govt" provides that. I saw protest signs in the Trump rallies saying "Keep Govt Out Of My Medicare"!
Idiots abound... I wonder if they all ate leaded paint flakes as children.
Down with Obamacare, I'm covered by the ACA!
You are covered by political chicanery. Not worth much.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 23, 2019, 11:51:20 PM
I love seeing a "Like" on my posts and guessing who it will be. The previous one, I guessed MikeCL and was right.
Except mine. Feel the love.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 23, 2019, 11:56:57 PM
And I cringe at how many people getting Medicare will support him on that because they don'y know the "that gawdawful govt" provides that. I saw protest signs in the Trump rallies saying "Keep Govt Out Of My Medicare"!
Idiots abound... I wonder if they all ate leaded paint flakes as children.
Previously, Conservatives tooling around on electric elder scooters (not cheap) ... and saying Medicare is bad ;-) People think they put money into Medicare, that is owed back to them. Same as SS. The government stole all the money. You have nothing in any government saving program.
Just say no to voters. Support EUSR (EU Soviet Republic) and USSR (US Soviet Republic). One party, one candidate, one vote (or else).
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 12:50:06 AM
Previously, Conservatives tooling around on electric elder scooters (not cheap) ... and saying Medicare is bad ;-) People think they put money into Medicare, that is owed back to them. Same as SS. The government stole all the money. You have nothing in any government saving program.
Just say no to voters. Support EUSR (EU Soviet Republic) and USSR (US Soviet Republic). One party, one candidate, one vote (or else).
That is correct. There is no saved pool of money. But there is no saved pool of money for anything else either. The Republicans are spending 2040 money right now and going for 2050.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:22:02 AM
That is correct. There is no saved pool of money. But there is no saved pool of money for anything else either. The Republicans are spending 2040 money right now and going for 2050.
Standard procedure. Because voters tolerate it.
I wonder just how badly Trump wants Greenland? I hope not enough to try to take it by force, which I wouldn't put past him.
"The voters" have been dumbed down, distracted by hot-button issues, manipulated by propaganda and overwhelmed with information to the point where too many of them can be led around by the nose because they've been conditioned to follow "authority" all their lives.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:36:05 AM
Standard procedure. Because voters tolerate it.
No, not "standard procedure". Leaders are expected to lead, not follow blindly..
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
I wonder just how badly Trump wants Greenland? I hope not enough to try to take it by force, which I wouldn't put past him.
"The voters" have been dumbed down, distracted by hot-button issues, manipulated by propaganda and overwhelmed with information to the point where too many of them can be led around by the nose because they've been conditioned to follow "authority" all their lives.
It is crucial for this century, that China doesn't get access to more mineral resources (Afghanistan already is owned by them). But people who are shills for the Chinese Empire ... will differ.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:07:28 PM
No, not "standard procedure". Leaders are expected to lead, not follow blindly..
Textbook BS. The Illuminati choose the "leaders" before the election even happens. Then the "leaders" consult opinion polls, and try to hurry to get in front of the public trend (so as to steer it to the likes of the Illuminati). Koch brothers are Illuminati. So are Trump and Soros.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 03:50:38 PM
Koch brothers are Illuminati.
At least we finally got to read the obituary of one of them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
At least we finally got to read the obituary of one of them.
You see their tombs ... in Egypt. Where have you been? Consulting with Von Daniken?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 03:53:19 PM
At least we finally got to read the obituary of one of them.
One down, and the worst to go...
I guess trump like Greenland because he thinks it's the color of money.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 05:38:58 PM
I guess trump like Greenland because he thinks it's the color of money.
I'm not sure which is dumber. That Trump thought Greenland was for sale or Trumps response when it wasn't. Either way, a complete idiot.
Well, apparently other presidents have asked about buying Greenland, but they took "no" for an answer.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 05:47:47 PM
Well, apparently other presidents have asked about buying Greenland, but they took "no" for an answer.
I had some grandparents who lived in Greenland NH. One year, a Family christmas card went to Thule AFB Greenland and took months to get redirected. But they Did It. LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 05:46:56 PM
I'm not sure which is dumber. That Trump thought Greenland was for sale or Trumps response when it wasn't. Either way, a complete idiot.
We should probably be glad he didn't just try to annex it... now
that would be a hostile takeover.
Quote from: trdsf on August 24, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
We should probably be glad he didn't just try to annex it... now that would be a hostile takeover.
All territorial acquisition is hostile, more or less. Just ask Denmark vs Prussia, 1864. Denmark tried to annex to the south in disputed territory. Prussia was hoping they would, so they could practice ... military skills. Did Denmark have a better claim? Liberal demagoguery didn't care. Progressivism didn't matter, Prussia was stronger. Sweden and England promised to support Denmark (as France and England did for Poland in 1939) and in both cases, they lied. Without allied support Denmark lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgrtcN8I5PE
May have been when my Danish ancestors came to the US. Beta males serve as cannon fodder for alpha males.
1940, more fun with the Germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOpqfVlqmVo
Molon labe - King Leonidas
Quote from: trdsf on August 24, 2019, 07:40:34 PM
We should probably be glad he didn't just try to annex it... now that would be a hostile takeover.
Don't give him any ideas, LOL!
Seriously, the colonial days are over and we should all just stop fussing over who is where. Where everyone is is good enough.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
I wonder just how badly Trump wants Greenland? I hope not enough to try to take it by force, which I wouldn't put past him.
That would immediately trigger an Article 5 response from every NATO nation except the USA. Of course, according to Trump (no doubt parroting Comrade Putin) NATO is obsolete.
Quote from: aileron on August 24, 2019, 08:32:55 PM
That would immediately trigger an Article 5 response from every NATO nation except the USA. Of course, according to Trump (no doubt parroting Comrade Putin) NATO is obsolete.
If Trump wants to take Greenland. it only means some idiot supporter thinks it is a great idea. He would never think of it himself. He probably couldn't even find it on a map.
National Geographic’s 2006 Geographic Literacy Survey of Americans aged 18 to 24 resulted in some rather unpleasant findings: Only 50% could identify New York on an unlabeled map, and a mere 43% could locate Ohio. And while 67% could find Louisiana, just 52% knew which state was Mississippi.
There was a brief test. I scored 100. Duh...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:23:38 PM
Don't give him any ideas, LOL!
Seriously, the colonial days are over and we should all just stop fussing over who is where. Where everyone is is good enough.
We are all Gandhi now, we wear dhotis and walk 250 miles to gather salt (satire). BS, humans are violent each and every generation. Progress is to better weapons and larger armies.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:44:29 PM
If Trump wants to take Greenland. it only means some idiot supporter thinks it is a great idea. He would never think of it himself. He probably couldn't even find it on a map.
National Geographic’s 2006 Geographic Literacy Survey of Americans aged 18 to 24 resulted in some rather unpleasant findings: Only 50% could identify New York on an unlabeled map, and a mere 43% could locate Ohio. And while 67% could find Louisiana, just 52% knew which state was Mississippi.
There was a brief test. I scored 100. Duh...
Correct, education in general, and geography in particular, are very poor in the US. We only need to know where to get our Democrat welfare checks.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:11:57 PM
Correct, education in general, and geography in particular, are very poor in the US. We only need to know where to get our Democrat welfare checks.
This seems to be worldwide though. I've traveled extensively and have been surprised at the level of ignorance of people about basic geographic facts and population statistics in their own backyards. I even had to explain to a self-described Monarchist in the UK why their royal coat of arms has French writing, and he still didn't believe me.
People in the US who want more money for education, usually highlight how poorly educated our young people are ;-))
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62O9WB0jtz4
Only the best people.
Quote from: aileron on August 24, 2019, 10:17:26 PM
This seems to be worldwide though. I've traveled extensively and have been surprised at the level of ignorance of people about basic geographic facts and population statistics in their own backyards. I even had to explain to a self-described Monarchist in the UK why their royal coat of arms has French writing, and he still didn't believe me.
I have to smile. Being generally half Anglo-Saxon Briton, 1/4 French, and 1/4 Viking and a touch of Welsh, I sort of see all sides of England. I know about the Norman French, and their influences LOL!
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 24, 2019, 10:44:37 PM
Only the best people.
I am not the least surprised. People who believe in Trump will believe in ANYTHING!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 10:45:58 PM
I have to smile. Being generally half Anglo-Saxon Briton, 1/4 French, and 1/4 Viking and a touch of Welsh, I sort of see all sides of England. I know about the Norman French, and their influences LOL!
Europeans (or at least Scotts) are surprised at American interest in genealogy. The propaganda by the EU to eliminate all ethnicity, is that successful ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
Europeans (or at least Scotts) are surprised at American interest in genealogy. The propaganda by the EU to eliminate all ethnicity, is that successful ;-(
One "T"...
(https://i.redd.it/5omemp63u1j31.jpg)
Hard to believe.
Women are never happy, not even at their weddings in my experience. Trying to please them is futile. I saved myself a lot of frustration by stopping to try.
Example … give them some money. It is always too little or too much. It is never just right. Goldilocks was fake news.
That and y'all can't speak for Ms Southern. That is misogynist or ventriloquism. The only women you like are like Mao's last wife. No wonder he died … in bed with "gang of four" ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
Women are never happy, not even at their weddings in my experience. Trying to please them is futile. I saved myself a lot of frustration by stopping to try.
Example … give them some money. It is always too little or too much. It is never just right. Goldilocks was fake news.
That and y'all can't speak for Ms Southern. That is misogynist or ventriloquism. The only women you like are like Mao's last wife. No wonder he died … in bed with "gang of four" ;-(
My, my--you must lead a bitter, bitter life. I actually feel sorry for you.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2019, 07:21:03 PM
My, my--you must lead a bitter, bitter life. I actually feel sorry for you.
But which of you are jealous of Mao? His Great Leap Forward must have been athletic if you have 4 other sex partners all over you!
Hmmmmm... (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-got-slapped-down-by-g7-leaders-after-advocating-for-russia-2019-8)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 27, 2019, 06:58:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/5omemp63u1j31.jpg)
Hard to believe.
I find their complaints completely reasonable. Women are ignored too often by asshole men. I would mention this subject more often, but quite frankly women have more authority on this matter than I do.
Quote from: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 07:08:23 PM
Women are never happy, not even at their weddings in my experience. Trying to please them is futile. I saved myself a lot of frustration by stopping to try.
Example … give them some money. It is always too little or too much. It is never just right. Goldilocks was fake news.
That and y'all can't speak for Ms Southern. That is misogynist or ventriloquism. The only women you like are like Mao's last wife. No wonder he died … in bed with "gang of four" ;-(
Why is it that whenever you seem to be rational for a while, you go and say nonsense like that?
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2019, 07:21:03 PM
My, my--you must lead a bitter, bitter life. I actually feel sorry for you.
Not that I'm perfect or anything, but such sexist attitudes are SO 2018... :)
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 09:57:28 PM
Not that I'm perfect or anything, but such sexist attitudes are SO 2018... :)
I'd amend that statement as ' Not that I'm perfect or anything, but such sexist attitudes are SO stupid... :)'
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2019, 10:59:24 PM
I'd amend that statement as ' Not that I'm perfect or anything, but such sexist attitudes are SO stupid... :)'
"2018" was a joke on people who refer to things as "so 1960s". But "SO stupid" works for me too. LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 09:54:33 PM
Why is it that whenever you seem to be rational for a while, you go and say nonsense like that?
I break things into separate lines, for a purpose. Some is satire, some commentary, some analysis. Not all satire is marked. Rhetoric works that way, leaves you guessing.
Yes, y'all are Southern gentlemen, more White than Col Sanders. BS, puleease. PC means complete dishonesty. Women are prettier predators.
If I comment about women, and it isn't satire, then it is commentary. Empirical observation. Y'all can deny all you want. I won't apologize for saying what I see as true, no matter how ugly the woman/women are. On the other hand, I am not actually judging them, just like I don't judge a jaguar who sneaks up on an alligator and eats it. I do have marginal feelings about male predation, because I am male. But I realize that is because of the 6 piece chicken bucket I just ate.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 27, 2019, 10:59:24 PM
I'd amend that statement as ' Not that I'm perfect or anything, but such sexist attitudes are SO stupid... :)'
Elevate women on a pedestal if you like, you Ronald Reagan you ;-) Self hating male perhaps? Even if not, anyone past 21 knows what women are like. Hormone influenced opinions by either sex. I want women to bite my head off, spiders that they are, or feel the scorpion sting, frogs that men are.
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 01:13:34 AM
I break things into separate lines, for a purpose. Some is satire, some commentary, some analysis. Not all satire is marked. Rhetoric works that way, leaves you guessing.
Yes, y'all are Southern gentlemen, more White than Col Sanders. BS, puleease. PC means complete dishonesty. Women are prettier predators.
If I comment about women, and it isn't satire, then it is commentary. Empirical observation. Y'all can deny all you want. I won't apologize for saying what I see as true, no matter how ugly the woman/women are. On the other hand, I am not actually judging them, just like I don't judge a jaguar who sneaks up on an alligator and eats it. I do have marginal feelings about male predation, because I am male. But I realize that is because of the 6 piece chicken bucket I just ate.
You are stunning. I'll just leave it at that.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 01:26:14 AM
You are stunning. I'll just leave it at that.
Idealism is the opposite of empirical observation. And you don't have to be married, to know what women are like. Unless you are a gay male. In which case your irrational feelings for women are transferred to men. For straight men, women are Other. For gay men, women are Wholly Other. And no, I am not a misogynist. I love women, irrationally.
QuoteRachel Maddow continues reporting on the Trump administration's new policy of targeting sick immigrant children, dependent on medical treatment in the United States, for deportation with just 33 days notice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZkjuoM19rY
Does Trump really think this will garner votes for hm in 2020? Does he really believe that his base will love this move? Just how low will this guy sink this country?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 29, 2019, 02:22:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZkjuoM19rY
Does Trump really think this will garner votes for hm in 2020? Does he really believe that his base will love this move? Just how low will this guy sink this country?
Just how low? Hold on, you will see; the closer 2020 comes, the more flaky this despicable creature becomes.
Lying to look good (https://theweek.com/speedreads/861872/trump-made-highlevel-chinese-tradetalk-calls-boost-markets-aides-admit)
Never would have suspected that from a guy with a giant comb-over.
Rachel Mad-Cow? Don't believe anything she says. Sorry.
"Environmentalist" Trump plans to gut enironmental regulations so hard that even oil companies object (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-climate-change-epa-methane-1456824)
So where is Congress? They were going to file for impeachment, have they forgotten where the blank forms are kept? What is keeping them?
They're not playing chess, just tic-tac-toe. So no one wins.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 30, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
They're not playing chess, just tic-tac-toe. So no one wins.
If you go first, and know what you are doing, you can guarantee either a win or a tie. You won't lose.
D filing impeachment, is like R canceling all of Obamacare. Every time they try, they are just short.
The public is being played.
https://gfycat.com/somberdesertedharborporpoise (https://gfycat.com/somberdesertedharborporpoise)
Coming to a polling place near you.
Ain't technology grand?
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 01:13:34 AM
I break things into separate lines, for a purpose. Some is satire, some commentary, some analysis. Not all satire is marked. Rhetoric works that way, leaves you guessing.
Yes, y'all are Southern gentlemen, more White than Col Sanders. BS, puleease. PC means complete dishonesty. Women are prettier predators.
If I comment about women, and it isn't satire, then it is commentary. Empirical observation. Y'all can deny all you want. I won't apologize for saying what I see as true, no matter how ugly the woman/women are. On the other hand, I am not actually judging them, just like I don't judge a jaguar who sneaks up on an alligator and eats it. I do have marginal feelings about male predation, because I am male. But I realize that is because of the 6 piece chicken bucket I just ate.
I see you subscribe to the Peterson Art of Saying Much and Yet Nothing At All.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I see you subscribe to the Peterson Art of Saying Much and Yet Nothing At All.
It's always been nothing. Just static that people pointlessly try to decipher.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 29, 2019, 02:22:07 PM
Does Trump really think this will garner votes for hm in 2020? Does he really believe that his base will love this move? Just how low will this guy sink this country?
Yes he does. When he implements outrageous policies or makes statements that make no sense to you and me, he isn't talking to "you and me". He is signaling to his base that he is one of them. Even outrageous claims he makes and never intended to pursue (buying Greenland for example) make them them think he is TRYING to make the US BIGGLY.
There may be no "low" point Trump won't sink to keep his base activated. Politicians are used to contending with each other for elective office. But if Trump loses this election, he is facing actual court cases involving his financial operations, tax evasion, foreign collusion, and money-laundering. And even if he pardons himself (a very interesting legal question) there are very serious State laws he may have violated for which he is not immune.
And even if he escapes State convictions, details of the financial empire may be revealed that would ruin him.
He has more reason to fear an electoral loss than any other US President. Therefore, his reasons to break more rules than any other President are stronger.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 29, 2019, 04:33:19 PM
Never would have suspected that from a guy with a giant comb-over.
Good one! The winning US Presidents usually have "good hair".
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2019, 05:59:38 PM
Rachel Mad-Cow? Don't believe anything she says. Sorry.
The difference between Rachel Maddow (and a few others at MSNBC) is that when they make a claim, they show the video or the tweet with day/date/time/source to let others check the claim and to give detailed information more than a fragment of a sentence. Faux News never does that. Their "evidence" is just an unsupported claim or sometimes when they want to get REAL specific (according to their standards) "Trump said"...
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 30, 2019, 07:30:52 AM
"Environmentalist" Trump plans to gut enironmental regulations so hard that even oil companies object (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-climate-change-epa-methane-1456824)
He is offerring the energy companies a freedom to gut the National Parks more than even THEY want (for public relations purposes).
If you offer an addict even more of the drug than they want, you are probably doing something wrong!
Quote from: Baruch on August 30, 2019, 09:25:57 AM
So where is Congress? They were going to file for impeachment, have they forgotten where the blank forms are kept? What is keeping them?
That is a political question. Speaker Pelosi thinks it is more likely to remnove Trump in November 2020 and let the legal system punish him afterwards without Impeachment. I understand that because Moscow Mitch is NOT going to permit the trial never mind act to convict. But I disagree that a House Impeachment shouldn't be passed. Trump well deserves it even if not convicted for general ethical reasons and for future history.
I say that through a sense of righteousness. If the House cannot impeach Trump (which is a charge not a conviction) for all the anti-democracy and cruel things he has done and all the flouting of norms and rules , who could ever be impeached (charged) in the future?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 30, 2019, 01:17:51 PM
They're not playing chess, just tic-tac-toe. So no one wins.
The only way to win Tic Tac Toe is not to play...
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I see you subscribe to the Peterson Art of Saying Much and Yet Nothing At All.
Feel the love.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 12:57:42 AM
That is a political question. Speaker Pelosi thinks it is more likely to remnove Trump in November 2020 and let the legal system punish him afterwards without Impeachment. I understand that because Moscow Mitch is NOT going to permit the trial never mind act to convict. But I disagree that a House Impeachment shouldn't be passed. Trump well deserves it even if not convicted for general ethical reasons and for future history.
I say that through a sense of righteousness. If the House cannot impeach Trump (which is a charge not a conviction) for all the anti-democracy and cruel things he has done and all the flouting of norms and rules , who could ever be impeached (charged) in the future?
They claimed they were filing. So far no news. So they are lying to you. Same as Rs who claimed to be against Obamacare. Yes, 11 dimensional chess as to exactly how and when to file impeachment papers? Bollocks.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:02:11 AM
The only way to win Tic Tac Toe is not to play...
Only nuclear tic tac toe.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
They claimed they were filing. So far no news. So they are lying to you. Same as Rs who claimed to be against Obamacare. Yes, 11 dimensional chess as to exactly how and when to file impeachment papers? Bollocks.
You don't have to start formal impeachment hearing to consider the facts that might lead to it...
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 10:00:42 AM
Only nuclear tic tac toe.
Apparently, you either did not watch, or entirely missed the point of, the movie 'Wargames'.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 30, 2019, 07:56:29 PM
https://gfycat.com/somberdesertedharborporpoise (https://gfycat.com/somberdesertedharborporpoise)
Coming to a polling place near you.
Justifiable votingmachinicide! If one is falsifying, kill it!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 30, 2019, 08:00:13 PM
Ain't technology grand?
Yeah, and I keep a computer disconnected from the internet for that reason. They can't hack what they can't get at!
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
They claimed they were filing. So far no news. So they are lying to you. Same as Rs who claimed to be against Obamacare. Yes, 11 dimensional chess as to exactly how and when to file impeachment papers? Bollocks.
Who did?
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 30, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
I see you subscribe to the Peterson Art of Saying Much and Yet Nothing At All.
Yeah, it's kind of like Bruce Lee's "fighting without fighting." LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
Yeah, it's kind of like Bruce Lee's "fighting without fighting." LOL
Providing evidence of wrong-doing can be done without a formal trial.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:05:06 AM
You don't have to start formal impeachment hearing to consider the facts that might lead to it...
Of course. I am already considering impeachment for the 2020 president, the 2024 president ...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:07:31 AM
Apparently, you either did not watch, or entirely missed the point of, the movie 'Wargames'.
I got the quote, Mr Baby Rug.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:14:53 AM
Who did?
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/341677-house-dem-files-article-of-impeachment-against-trump
Everything I say is a lie, including this sentence. Lazy Baby Rug.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
Providing evidence of wrong-doing can be done without a formal trial.
All humans are sinners. There is no redemption. We are all going to burn forever.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
Yeah, it's kind of like Bruce Lee's "fighting without fighting." LOL
If Bruce Lee is in the room. Run! Has nothing to do with Sun Tzu.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:25:48 PM
Of course. I am already considering impeachment for the 2020 president, the 2024 president ...
Deciding to impeach a President you don't even know yet is an ideological choice of a fool.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:26:29 PM
I got the quote, Mr Baby Rug.
Try to act like it then.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:28:55 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/341677-house-dem-files-article-of-impeachment-against-trump
Everything I say is a lie, including this sentence. Lazy Baby Rug.
Calling for impeachment is not the same as invoking the process officially.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:30:25 PM
All humans are sinners. There is no redemption. We are all going to burn forever.
You are welcome to an Early Christian Hell if that is what you want. I expect to be incomprehensible and utterly dead.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 06:56:49 PM
You are welcome to an Early Christian Hell if that is what you want. I expect to be incomprehensible and utterly dead.
Early Christian hell? Christians expected selective redemption. I was describing pagan Hades.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 06:50:39 PM
Deciding to impeach a President you don't even know yet is an ideological choice of a fool.
I hate them all, except Ike.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 06:54:45 PM
Calling for impeachment is not the same as invoking the process officially.
Exactly my point. Cowards.
QuoteAccording to new reports, Donald Trump is letting some of his biggest donors have access to top secret government information as part of his President’s Intelligence Advisory Board. In the past, these advisory boards were made up of intelligence experts and people familiar with government operations, but Trump has once again thrown norms out the window to reward people who are loyal to him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGj5UA_BRxU
Trump's fan club, showing their Christian love...
Quote"About five years ago, Bonnie Weinstein, a co-founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, published a book compiling selections of the hate mail MRFF received for promoting church/state separation in the military. A lot of the letters were directed at her husband, Mikey Weinstein, the public face of the organization.
She said at the time that the letters, mostly from conservative Christians, clearly misunderstood the group’s intentions. They acted like MRFF was “attacking their beloved version of fundamentalist Christianity,†when the truth was they just didn’t want the military being used to advance or promote any one particular belief.
Neutrality, to those haters, was synonymous with hating Christianity.
Bonnie has now written a follow-up book â€" with, yes, even more hateful messages â€" called When Christians Break Bad: Letters from the Insane, Inane, and Profane. This time, the letters come with responses from Weinstein herself along with any official responses sent back to the writers from the organization."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYsZK186Tks
Kill all the chaplains in the armed forces perhaps?
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Thoughts and prayers - they think you can't spot bullshit and pray you'll forget about the problem.
I pray all the Leftists go to Hell. Right next to the Righists. Don't crowd, go one at a time into Hades' abattoir.
(https://humoropedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/funny-political-jokes.jpg)
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Quote from: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 08:00:52 AM
Early Christian hell? Christians expected selective redemption. I was describing pagan Hades.
Regardless of mortal life, that the Christians would consign even kindly atheists to eternal damnation is rather harsh.
Quote from: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 08:01:38 AM
I hate them all, except Ike.
Whether you hate them all is irrelevant and immaterial. Most don't deserve impeachment and Trump does. The evidence is so overwhelming as to be beyond discussion in any logical sense. But politics will prevent it.
Andrew Johnson did not deserve to be impeached. Bill Clinton did not deserve to be impeached. Nixon did deserve it, but resigned. Trump deserves it and won't be. Because Moscow Mitch doesn't want to lose the Senate and will refuse to do anything.
There are times when leaders in all branches of govt should act but are too ideological or too afraid. This is one of those times.
Quote from: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 06:49:47 PM
Kill all the chaplains in the armed forces perhaps?
Might be fair to just remove them from active service... Or add atheists to the mix.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 12:32:52 AM
Regardless of mortal life, that the Christians would consign even kindly atheists to eternal damnation is rather harsh.
Prejudiced. All people deserve hell.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 12:43:45 AM
Whether you hate them all is irrelevant and immaterial. Most don't deserve impeachment and Trump does. The evidence is so overwhelming as to be beyond discussion in any logical sense. But politics will prevent it.
Andrew Johnson did not deserve to be impeached. Bill Clinton did not deserve to be impeached. Nixon did deserve it, but resigned. Trump deserves it and won't be. Because Moscow Mitch doesn't want to lose the Senate and will refuse to do anything.
There are times when leaders in all branches of govt should act but are too ideological or too afraid. This is one of those times.
Your opinion. You like more of them than I do. Yawn.
JFK - cursed
LBJ - cursed
Nixon - cursed
Ford - cursed
Carter - cursed
Reagan - cursed
Bush - cursed
Clinton - cursed
Shrub - cursed
Obama - cursed
Trump - cursed
...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 12:46:47 AM
Might be fair to just remove them from active service... Or add atheists to the mix.
The majority of Americans are religious. Go serve in N Korea? If atheists are added, as chaplains (not psychs) then that is admitting atheism is a religion.
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 01:57:34 AM
Prejudiced. All deserve hell.
No one deserves hell. Horrible eternity is too long for any crime. That is something I wouldn't even consign people who believe that eternal agony is justified to.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 02:02:41 AM
No one deserves hell. Horrible eternity is too long for any crime. That is something I wouldn't even consign people who believe that eternal agony is justified to.
Softy ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 02:03:46 AM
Softy ;-)
I'll pass. But as I've said before, if you really believe in an Early Christian Hell, you are welcome to it. I wouldn't recommend it and I don't want you to go there. But if you insist, I'll never know.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 02:15:26 AM
I'll pass. But as I've said before, if you really believe in an Early Christian Hell, you are welcome to it. I would recommend it and I don't want you to go there. But if you insist, I'll never know.
That is one theology. Judge anyone, you get judged. On that basis you are judged too. I simply acknowledge what I am like. But this is all poetical. I don't believe in an afterlife anymore than you do. There is no future, just a present.
In practice, I would be a softie too. But I am unsure that is right. I don't have any revenge fantasies. On Trump etc.
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 02:23:32 AM
That is one theology. Judge anyone, you get judged. On that basis you are judged too. I simply acknowledge what I am like. But this is all poetical. I don't believe in an afterlife anymore than you do. There is no future, just a present.
In practice, I would be a softie too. But I am unsure that is right. I don't have any revenge fantasies. On Trump etc.
Well, stating that "someone judges" doesn't make it so. And thinking there is no afterlife makes you a pretty poor theist. As for "revenge fantasies", I can only leave that up to you in your own mind.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 04:04:06 AM
Well, stating that "someone judges" doesn't make it so. And thinking there is no afterlife makes you a pretty poor theist. As for "revenge fantasies", I can only leave that up to you in your own mind.
Then kiss Trump's ass then.
There's not enough room left on Trump's ass for another set of lips, there are too many already, it's getting very crowded.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 02, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
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Trump doubles down on his claim that the hurricane will hit alabama (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hurricane-dorian-alabama-twitter-storm-winds-weather-forecast-latest-a9089901.html)
Weird, I never knew meterologist-in-chief was one of his job titles. And it's pretty crazy that he thinks he knows science better than actual scientists.
Gotta hand it to dumb donnie to politicize rain.
Trump knows more about weather than any meteorologist on the planet! He knows more about everything than anyone on the planet! It's not his fault that all that hot air he spews is causing the climate to heat up!
;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 03, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
Trump knows more about weather than any meteorologist on the planet! He knows more about everything than anyone on the planet! It's not his fault that all that hot air he spews is causing the climate to heat up!
;-)
Trump's measured IQ is high. Proving "idiot savant" is a thing.
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
Trump's measured IQ is high. Proving "idiot savant" is a thing.
Just like trump, you will say anything about anything without a care about accuracy. Nobody knows what his IQ is, including you. Once again, you are full of shit and it is coming out in your typing. You are simply a liar.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 04, 2019, 02:34:59 PM
Just like trump, you will say anything about anything without a care about accuracy. Nobody knows what his IQ is, including you. Once again, you are full of shit and it is coming out in your typing. You are simply a liar.
Folks here denigrate his IQ, then you claim IQ is irrelevant. Get your Barbarian Horde organizes, won't you!
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 09:32:37 PM
Trump's measured IQ is high.
Do you remember the time when he faked his own physical exam?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 04, 2019, 01:52:23 PM
Got a source for that?
Only estimated ;-) Like we do with Lincoln (who was long before the test, which was popularized for US soldiers drafted for WW I).
But in saying "idiot savant" ... y'all don't see that as criticism, instead triggered like Pavlov's dogs.
Is your name Isabelle Ringing?
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
Folks here denigrate his IQ, then you claim IQ is irrelevant. Get your Barbarian Horde organizes, won't you!
Still a liar. I have not mentioned trump's IQ until you said it was high--and measured. If it has been measured he has not allowed what that score was. So, like trump, you are still lying. I am a little surprised that you like that guy so much you emulate him. IQ is not the be all, end all--but it is important. Trump's IQ is low(yes, my opinion) and every time he opens his mouth he proves it.
You said--" Get your Barbarian Horde organizes, won't you!" Just like trump you utter these type phrases (for that is not a sentence) that make no sense on any level. So, Baruch, lately all you do is utter nonsense or lies. I would never have thought that of you a year ago.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 04, 2019, 03:01:10 PM
Do you remember the time when he faked his own physical exam?
I had forgotten it. But confirmed it against a good source (his own doctor).
People lie all the time, and usually try to fake bad health when under threat of the Draft ;-))
Can any of you older guys tell me, can holding a bar of soap for a long time, under your arm pit, stimulate a higher body temperature?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 04, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
Is your name Isabelle Ringing?
There seem to be a number of women with that name, who are real people. You need to be more explicit. And I hope you are referring to a fictional person.
Trump's IQ may not be measurable, but it certainly is estimate-able.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 04, 2019, 04:02:28 PM
Still a liar. I have not mentioned trump's IQ until you said it was high--and measured. If it has been measured he has not allowed what that score was. So, like trump, you are still lying. I am a little surprised that you like that guy so much you emulate him. IQ is not the be all, end all--but it is important. Trump's IQ is low(yes, my opinion) and every time he opens his mouth he proves it.
You said--" Get your Barbarian Horde organizes, won't you!" Just like trump you utter these type phrases (for that is not a sentence) that make no sense on any level. So, Baruch, lately all you do is utter nonsense or lies. I would never have thought that of you a year ago.
Worked from memory and meme. The meme is out there, and it didn't matter if it was true or not. Memes don't care. And it is Trump's meme, he can have whatever memes he wants.
Yes, I am afraid, that everyone in California, deserves the Big Quake. Too busy twerking with the Hollywood psychos I guess. If I were a Democrat, I would be hoping all the East coast gets the Bahama treatment.
Quote from: aitm on September 04, 2019, 05:46:01 PM
Trump's IQ may not be measurable, but it certainly is estimate-able.
If I liked you (and I do) I could estimate yours. Aren't you one of the artistic folks here? I would think that means a pretty high IQ, and poor social skills. Please don't cut your ear off ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2019, 05:44:01 PM
There seem to be a number of women with that name, who are real people. You need to be more explicit. And I hope you are referring to a fictional person.
She was the director of Pavlovian Studies at Car Talk Plaza.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 04, 2019, 05:55:33 PM
She was the director of Pavlovian Studies at Car Talk Plaza.
One of the Car Talk fake staff members. You really should just say "Car Talk" in the original post, and mention Isabelle's fake role in it. Then I wouldn't have to wear down Google.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Aren't you one of the artistic folks here?
If you like mud pie hand prints...I am very artistic.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2019, 06:01:25 PM
One of the Car Talk fake staff members. You really should just say "Car Talk" in the original post, and mention Isabelle's fake role in it. Then I wouldn't have to wear down Google.
Yeah, use Google too much you might wear it out!
lol
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Worked from memory and meme. The meme is out there, and it didn't matter if it was true or not. Memes don't care. And it is Trump's meme, he can have whatever memes he wants.
Yes, I am afraid, that everyone in California, deserves the Big Quake. Too busy twerking with the Hollywood psychos I guess. If I were a Democrat, I would be hoping all the East coast gets the Bahama treatment.
Once again all you come across is ?????????????????????
I know, that's just how you and trump roll.
Quote from: aitm on September 04, 2019, 06:27:32 PM
If you like mud pie hand prints...I am very artistic.
Movies and plays, right? Theatrical?
He could be a closet thespian!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 05, 2019, 01:32:03 PM
He could be a closet thespian!
I get mixed up on who is who. Some of you are artistic. But a lisping woman who likes other women? Probably not in HIS case ;-)
For a "sharpie president" Trump sure is dull.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 03, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
There's not enough room left on Trump's ass for another set of lips, there are too many already, it's getting very crowded.
He needs botox shots to increase his ass so as to allow more lips to be set... However, since he is a pretty firm ass, that might not be possible. The DNS is working on this problem (without any actual doctors involved).
The Bureau on Mining was invited to engage on the subject, but they concluded he couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground.
The Center for American Hand and Upper Extremity Care declined to help, saying that Trump "probably couldn't find his ass with hands" anyway.
While not asked, The US Toe and Lower Extremity Association officially states that "If the Center for American Hand and Upper Extremity medieval witch-doctors claim that Trump couldn't find his ass with both hands, he COULD probably find it with his toes, as toes are superior (try walking without them).
Court cases involving defamatory remarks are pending. The Spinal Association Of International Vertebra is expected to offer arbitration which Judge Learned Head is considering.
Well, I'm glad to see Bolton is out of the National Security Advisor's role. I don't know if he was too hawkish for Trump, or not hawkish enough. We'll have to wait and see who his replacement will be.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/10/us/politics/john-bolton-national-security-adviser-trump.html
Bolton's out as national security advisor; Bolton says he quit while the Orange House says he was sacked.
All I can assume is that Bolton was insufficiently sociopathic for the Dumpster, and Bolton was the sort of war hawk that made Darth Cheney look like a flower child.
If Cheney's a flower child I can only assume he's the offspring of that plant from A Little Shop of Horrors! :-P
Or maybe a triffid.
Whup, one correction -- chickenhawk, not war hawk. Like the Shrub, Darth Cheney et al., he couldn't be bothered to serve in Viet Nam either.
Quote from: trdsf on September 10, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
Bolton's out as national security advisor; Bolton says he quit while the Orange House says he was sacked.
All I can assume is that Bolton was insufficiently sociopathic for the Dumpster, and Bolton was the sort of war hawk that made Darth Cheney look like a flower child.
A good thing he is gone. Many groaned when he was re-hired. He failed in Venezuela, and failed in Afghanistan (recent embarrassment (leakers?)) over any attempt to make peace with the Taliban. I would be fine if the US was less aggressive, and got out of Afghanistan.
I have noticed that Betrayus (Patreus) is trying to get back in the public eye. Hope he stays out of power too.
BOLTON IS GONE!
Christmas came early this year!
Yeah, Trump finally did something I agree with, but then, he's the guy who put Bolton in the job in the first place.
QuoteAll I can assume is that Bolton was insufficiently sociopathic for the Dumpster...
I would wager more that he wasn't enough of a sycophant than a sociopath.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 10, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Yeah, Trump finally did something I agree with, but then, he's the guy who put Bolton in the job in the first place.
As recommended by his trusted advisors (in a cycle starting in Jan 2017). Trump really knew no one in Washington DC, so a lot of neo-con drifters took advantage of him.
Sycophant? Never Bolton, he was the god of foreign affairs after all. Bolton always seemed to me to be one of he more sociopathic neo-cons.
Maybe Bolton's mustache got in the way of his lips contacting Trump's ass, couldn't get to enough butt surface area to stick well.
I think the Bolton case was somewhat of a "you can't fire me, I quit" situation. Mutual anger and annoyance. I think Trump and Bolton are both idiots. Trump can't stand anyone who thinks for themselves and Bolton is a warmonger ideologue. Good riddance to Bolton and I hope Trump follows.
So now he's blaming the light bulbs for his orange hue?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_iFi1qH8Cg
I'm more concerned about him railing at high-effeciency bulbs. What kind of moron wants low-effeciency lights?
Has anyone tried explaining to him that low effeciency = low energy?
https://i.imgur.com/BBIYnx0.gifv
Nothing can be explained to Trump without first paying him to pay attention. Besides, if it affects him personally then the environment be damned.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 13, 2019, 07:22:45 PM
I'm more concerned about him railing at high-effeciency bulbs. What kind of moron wants low-effeciency lights?
Has anyone tried explaining to him that low effeciency = low energy?
https://i.imgur.com/BBIYnx0.gifv
It was a "Congressional overreach" issue, like adding that 3rd rear break light on American cars. The point isn't efficiency, it is freedom. I would be happy making it illegal for liberals to use electricity (because it is racist) ;-) I am happy there are still light sources to buy, other than tallow made from Texas cattle.
Actually the spectrum of incandescent vs LED vs sodium vs mercury vs fluorescent is significant for color sensitive jobs, like fashion and interior decorating. The more metrosexual types here would understand.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 13, 2019, 07:38:06 PM
Nothing can be explained to Trump without first paying him to pay attention. Besides, if it affects him personally then the environment be damned.
I piss and shit on the environment, same as you ... every time I hit the head. And I am causing global warming by exhaling. Death to this planet!
Where's my favorite dictator? (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/trump-evoked-stunned-silence-by-shouting-wheres-my-favorite-dictator-at-meeting-with-egyptian-officials-report/)
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 14, 2019, 07:09:42 AM
Where's my favorite dictator? (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/trump-evoked-stunned-silence-by-shouting-wheres-my-favorite-dictator-at-meeting-with-egyptian-officials-report/)
I loved him saying that! Most favorite thing he has said so far (of the few I like). America funds that "School of the Americas" to build murdering regimes in Latin America. We live in a world of violence. You can recognize that or not. If you accept it, you get to decide what to do about it. The range of reactions varies from pacifism to mass murder. Even Gandhi believed that violence exists. He chose a particularly activist form of pacifism as his response. Liberals can't function outside of Santa's workshop. Beside that liberalism seems so ... gay to me, as in drag queen. Can't get in a bar brawl in high heels.
Heh, Tucker Carlson says that Bolton was a lefty. (https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2019/sep/13/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-falsely-claims-john-bolton-was-man-/)
Fun facts: he worked closely with the Bush W administration, advised Romney, was a Fox News whatever it is they do there "commentator" I guess, and finally worked under Trump.
Dubya appointed him during a recess because it was unlikely that democrats would vote to confirm him, that's how much he's loved by the Left.
Quote"There was not a human problem John Bolton wasn’t totally convinced could be solved with the brute force of government," Carlson said. "That’s an assumption of the left, not the right."
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For some strange reason, I'm not getting a "Give diplomacy a chance!" vibe from the Republicans.
In fact, there's a definite trend towards a chicken hawk stance the past few decades. People like Bolton wouldn't be anywhere near the corridors of power without these enabling chicken hawks.
Fake News ... Dems aren't pacifists. Wish they were (really). We need at least one party to be a Peace party. Current Congressmen in both parties, and ex-Obama officials were sorry to see Bolton go. The destruction of Syria and Iran (part of Bolton's policy) is incomplete. In military terms, the real truth is that both parties are Right as I define it. Hillary in particular has blood dripping from her fangs. What was actually said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-1-iz80u6s
I would characterize the domestic policy of both parties to be anti-ordinary-American (that is Leftist as I define it). Time to outlaw both parties. Put their leaders in Guantanamo for perpetual waterboarding, and any ordinary people who object, need to go to an American penal colony in Alaska (like in Czarist Russia, Alaska originally being a part of Czarist Russia).
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 14, 2019, 07:09:42 AM
Where's my favorite dictator? (https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/trump-evoked-stunned-silence-by-shouting-wheres-my-favorite-dictator-at-meeting-with-egyptian-officials-report/)
Oh, Kim Jong Un is going to be
so jealous! I bet he thought that
he was Trump's favorite dictator! Maybe some (literal) fireworks to be expected?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 14, 2019, 01:18:42 PM
Oh, Kim Jong Un is going to be so jealous! I bet he thought that he was Trump's favorite dictator! Maybe some (literal) fireworks to be expected?
That is a good comment! And Kim kills when he is unhappy. Generally Saudi Arabia is our favorite medieval sand hill. Neither N Korea or even Egypt can touch that.
Well, as dictators go, I'm pretty sure Vlad must be very high on Trump's list. I just wonder how many of Trump's short hairs Vlad has hold of?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 14, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
Well, as dictators go, I'm pretty sure Vlad must be very high on Trump's list. I just wonder how many of Trump's short hairs Vlad has hold of?
We aren't sending Russia foreign aid. Americans sent $659.8 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2018 to aid our Chicom enemies however.
The concentration on Russia, is to distract from China, which is bipartisan.
Weapons of mass distraction are in liberal use...
Liberal, as in "something that is not restricted," not "used by liberals."
LOL
Ah, but you can't use "the other side uses that".
This is why I prefer "monkey's throwing poo" ... it is bipartisan, but it offends Cavebear ... wrong mammal ancestors for him.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 14, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
Well, as dictators go, I'm pretty sure Vlad must be very high on Trump's list. I just wonder how many of Trump's short hairs Vlad has hold of?
I don't think it is the short hairs, it's his "grapes". I hope I live long enough for the truth to come out.
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2019, 09:51:29 PM
Ah, but you can't use "the other side uses that".
This is why I prefer "monkey's throwing poo" ... it is bipartisan, but it offends Cavebear ... wrong mammal ancestors for him.
WTF? Where did THAT one come from? That's unusual even for you.
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Yes, beware false flag!
White House: drone attack like 9/11 for the Saudis (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/white-house-describes-saudi-oil-attack-attack-as-their-911)
A zero casualty 9/11, btw.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 18, 2019, 07:02:08 AM
White House: drone attack like 9/11 for the Saudis (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/white-house-describes-saudi-oil-attack-attack-as-their-911)
A zero casualty 9/11, btw.
So you agree with 9/11 conspiracy theory?
There is that 1944 agreement between FDR and Ibn Saud. What were the terms?
Will liberals not fight for access to petroleum? Are you wanting to outlaw regular cars to mandate wind powered cars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsXqR5jyP1s
QuoteSir, there could be some merit in not discussing that."
LOL
Maybe you guys should seek to impeach justin trudeau.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lp8EkXXBFAo
This is why I don't get angry at anything trump does, because trump is very much face value, what you see is what you get with him, he's an asshole and he rolls with it. Its easier to understand something like that.
People like Hillery Clinton or Justin Trudeau are the opposite, infact the people who usually get the most angered by trump are usually supporters of people like Clinton and Trudeau, where as to me, they are far more insidious and manipulative, and wear a vale hiding there true intentions or beliefs.
Honestly, tell me I'm wrong about this, I just happen to trust an asshole who's up front about his poor ethics and morals more then ones pretending to have good morals and ethics.
Canucks are best served in garlic butter and fake snail shells ;-)
If Trump feels a compulsion to nuke something, just give him a microwave and let him push that button as much as he likes.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2019, 07:25:46 PM
If Trump feels a compulsion to nuke something, just give him a microwave and let him push that button as much as he likes.
Not with JiffyPop ... that has foil, will burn up the microwave!
So? He can have as many as he can use, and the taxpayers will spend their hard-earned dollars for them. He'll probably not let Eric near the thing, though, he's likely to have a junior staffer to do such mundane chores.
I hear Trump's put out a new men's cologne, called Suck Cesspool.
Kno whats worse than Trump? Trump Supporters. They act so snobbish about being fucking retarded.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 20, 2019, 08:56:53 PM
Kno whats worse than Trump? Trump Supporters. They act so snobbish about being fucking retarded.
They aren't cool? I consider cool kids to be ... someone I avoid. Always have, lived in Cali twice.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 20, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
I hear Trump's put out a new men's cologne, called Suck Cesspool.
Such an edge lord you are. Is this how Jesus would be today? I think so, I have pointed out your true identity before.
Quote from: Baruch on September 20, 2019, 09:51:49 PM
They aren't cool? I consider cool kids to be ... someone I avoid. Always have, lived in Cali twice.
Ah so you support trump too. Well that figures.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 21, 2019, 11:38:08 AM
Ah so you support trump too. Well that figures.
how did you get that from his post? ...
Quote from: Baruch on September 20, 2019, 09:51:49 PM
lived in Cali twice.
Well, as the song says, "It don't matter at all where you've played before, California's a brand new game."
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 21, 2019, 11:38:08 AM
Ah so you support trump too. Well that figures.
If I don’t call for "kill all straight White males" I am a Nazi, right? If you aren’t for our Marxism (the Left attacks itself), you are against us?
Never have supported Trump or either Bush. Did support Bill Clinton first term and Barak Obama both terms. Even if someone I vote for gets elected, I expect to be disappointed. My father was Republican, but even he considered Nixon to be cancer.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 21, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
Well, as the song says, "It don't matter at all where you've played before, California's a brand new game."
Sarcasm ...
In Cali they mate in public, in groups, are not species or gender or age specific. Fueled by a cocktail of drugs and to the tune of bad 60s Rock.
This is why all Dem run cities inevitably devolve into bankruptcy and homelessness and shit and syringes on the streets. 4th world, worse than 3rd world. Not even Castro permitted this shit on the streets of Havana.
Not cool, in any place, at any time.
I thought Cali was lovely, if there weren’t any people living there.
Quote from: Baruch on September 21, 2019, 01:47:42 PM
If I don’t call for "kill all straight White males" I am a Nazi, right? If you aren’t for our Marxism (the Left attacks itself), you are against us?
Never have supported Trump or either Bush. Did support Bill Clinton first term and Barak Obama both terms. Even if someone I vote for gets elected, I expect to be disappointed. My father was Republican, but even he considered Nixon to be cancer.
I am of the opinion that anybody who gets so much political power that they can run of president, they have no rock-bottom morals/ethics. It seems to take too many 'compromises' to get to that position. Therefore, no matter who is the president, they are not what I'd term an ethical person--practical, but not particularly ethical. Politics, just like religions--the ends justify the means.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 21, 2019, 05:35:43 PM
I am of the opinion that anybody who gets so much political power that they can run of president, they have no rock-bottom morals/ethics. It seems to take too many 'compromises' to get to that position. Therefore, no matter who is the president, they are not what I'd term an ethical person--practical, but not particularly ethical. Politics, just like religions--the ends justify the means.
This was true in ancient city-states. A country the size of a US county, with a population of about 50,000 on average. The city-state politics varying from tyranny (single unelected strong man), oligarchy (groups of leading citizens) or democracy (most free men participate fully). Humanity can't escape from primate alpha-male psychology. Alpha females will always be attracted (Hillary) and beta males detract (most of us).
(https://i.redd.it/jwoliw3307o31.jpg)
I have been politically unhappy since 1968 (Cronkite denouncing LBJ). But I haven't yet chosen bulimia or anorexia to protest this.
Well, here we go. A formal inquiry at long last (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49814927), although I question a) how much they can get done in an election year and b) whether any findings they make will get heard during the heat of an election.
That said, if it can be demonstrated that Lord Dampnut actually did use the threat of withholding aid to force another nation to investigate a political enemy, that clears any bar I can think of for 'high crime' or 'misdemeanor'. Bill Weld is way off the mark with his treason talk; treason is defined in the Constitution, and what's alleged is not treason.
It is, if true, dirty as all fuck -- it would be a clear attempt to utilize foreign assets to subvert an election. And the longer the Orange Disaster Area stonewalls (and those of us old enough to remember Watergate know what a deadly word that can be for the stonewaller), the more it looks like he's hiding something.
Interestingly enough, in the Senate, a resolution to have the whistleblower memo turned over to the Senate Intelligence Committee passed without any objection by any Republican.
And meanwhile, YouGov has a poll out showing that there is majority support for impeachment (https://today.yougov.com/opi/surveys/results#/survey/72f3bf66-dee3-11e9-b4a9-9f0e9e31e4a3/question/9b91b2b7-dee3-11e9-ba0e-c7fcd6994022/toplines) if Trump bribed/threatened Ukraine to get an investigation going on Hunter Biden. The scary number that I bet Senator Yertle and his Stepford Wives saw, and led them to sit on their hands today? Only a plurality of Republicans oppose impeachment, not an actual majority.
It's about time we finally got the ball rolling on impeachment. If the Prez did half this stuff and had a D next to his name, he'd already be serving time. Pelosi and her fellow enablers sitting on their hands during crisis was definitely not a good look. Hopefully, she can make up for lost time and in time, the US may recover. Otherwise, we might get more of the same from the Republicans until our Republic becomes something else entirely.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 24, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
It's about time we finally got the ball rolling on impeachment. If the Prez did half this stuff and had a D next to his name, he'd already be serving time. Pelosi and her fellow enablers sitting on their hands during crisis was definitely not a good look. Hopefully, she can make up for lost time and in time, the US may recover. Otherwise, we might get more of the same from the Republicans until our Republic becomes something else entirely.
Pelosi is also probably the canniest vote counter in Congress, and she had to wait until something came along that even Republicans couldn't pretend was no problem. Even Senator Yertle has to know that bribing/threatening a foreign power to act against a political rival looks
really shitty, and is something even they can't pretend is politics as usual.
Also, so far as I know, this is the first time there has been a majority among the public for impeachment, and that goes a long way towards the decision to go now.
Also, anyone else get a laugh out of Liz Cheney's statement?
Quote from: Rep. Liz Cheney, R-WY
Since the president was sworn in, the Democrats have repeatedly attempted to overturn the results of the election and discard the votes of 63 million Americans who voted for President Trump.
...conveniently forgetting the fact that
66 million Americans voted for his main rival, and in all,
73 million Americans voted against him. I'm afraid her choices to explain that quote are limited to arrogant hypocrisy, or abject stupidity.
Quote from: trdsf on September 24, 2019, 07:34:25 PMAlso, so far as I know, this is the first time there has been a majority among the public for impeachment, and that goes a long way towards the decision to go now.
I worry about the day when the majority decides that a banana republic is the way to go.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 24, 2019, 07:51:55 PM
I worry about the day when the majority decides that a banana republic is the way to go.
Happened in 1913 or was that 1788? We have imported bananas for quite awhile now.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 24, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
It's about time we finally got the ball rolling on impeachment. If the Prez did half this stuff and had a D next to his name, he'd already be serving time. Pelosi and her fellow enablers sitting on their hands during crisis was definitely not a good look. Hopefully, she can make up for lost time and in time, the US may recover. Otherwise, we might get more of the same from the Republicans until our Republic becomes something else entirely.
Like Bill or Hillary or Barak, if he did twice this, he wouldn't be in jail at all. Politically motivated people are ... psychotic.
I would hope, as it seems the UK is headed toward civil war, that the US is not also headed there. Seems we can't stand to be in the same country (factions vs factions) together. No fair play or tolerance, plenty of Deep State crap. More evidence of failed species-hood.
And the degree of "cult of personality" on both sides is so high, I expect the US/UK to start putting up Snow White coffins like Russia and China.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 24, 2019, 07:51:55 PM
I worry about the day when the majority decides that a banana republic is the way to go.
As far as I can tell, that has been decided already. Actually a banana republic may be a step up for the county now.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
As far as I can tell, that has been decided already. Actually a banana republic may be a step up for the county now.
Too bad both cultivars are going extinct, because of a unstoppable mold. One cultivar (what we ate in the 60s) is already extinct. There is a finite time before the last cultivar is wiped out ;-( I guess the plantain is impervious.
"UKRAINE WILL REOPEN CORRUPTION INVESTIGATION INTO HUNTER BIDEN FIRM AMID TRUMP IMPEACHMENT SCANDAL" .. this is why Trump must be impeached. He is too dangerous to America's holy families (Kennedy, Bush, Clinton, Obama ... four holy "good news").
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
As far as I can tell, that has been decided already. Actually a banana republic may be a step up for the county now.
Well, Trump never won a majority and gerrymandering factors pretty heavily in the makeup of Congress. Suffice it to say there's a bit of a disconnect between D.C. and the voters, which may yield some rather interesting developments down the line.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 24, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
Actually a banana republic may be a step up for the county now.
Yeah, from a banana split republic to just a regular banana republic would indeed be a step in the right direction.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 25, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Yeah, from a banana split republic to just a regular banana republic would indeed be a step in the right direction.
Pineapple or sugarcane might be a more stable tropical crop.
Um. Wow. A reading of the whistle-blower's report (https://soundcloud.com/penguin-audio/the-whistle-blower-complaint-released-by-the-house-intelligence-committee-9262019).
Fellow old-enough-to-remember-Watergate folks... can I just say three words?
'Smoking gun tape'.
Quote from: trdsf on September 26, 2019, 11:04:58 PM
Um. Wow. A reading of the whistle-blower's report (https://soundcloud.com/penguin-audio/the-whistle-blower-complaint-released-by-the-house-intelligence-committee-9262019).
Fellow old-enough-to-remember-Watergate folks... can I just say three words?
'Smoking gun tape'.
I remember Watergate--but this makes Nixon look like a boy scout. Trump may have fully shat his hat full!
Quote from: trdsf on September 26, 2019, 11:04:58 PM
Um. Wow. A reading of the whistle-blower's report (https://soundcloud.com/penguin-audio/the-whistle-blower-complaint-released-by-the-house-intelligence-committee-9262019).
Fellow old-enough-to-remember-Watergate folks... can I just say three words?
'Smoking gun tape'.
Thing is, this time around, will Dems actually go through with impeachment?
A lot has changed since the Nixon days - the press is weaker, the Presidency is stronger, and the political opposition is so timid that it apparently waits around for the majority to support impeachment before finally going forward with preliminary steps towards a possible impeachment (so brave!)
Will this story survive the oft-forgetful 24-hour-news cycle? (Remember the Panama Papers?)
Partisan hacks on Fox News shouting "THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUO!"?
The Prez very clumsily implying that the whistle-blower should be killed?
And the Dems who never even mustered the courage to reject Trump's clownshow of a Cabinet, will they be dauntless enough to attempt anything more tangible than a strongly-worded tweet against Orangewise himself? Are they willing to fight on this hill, through thick and thin? Cause I'll tell you right now, if they're not, this whole thing is doomed from the start.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 26, 2019, 11:32:44 PM
Thing is, this time around, will Dems actually go through with impeachment?
At lot has changed since the Nixon days - the press is weaker, the Presidency is stronger, and the political opposition is so timid that it apparently waits around for the majority to support impeachment before finally going forward with preliminary steps towards a possible impeachment (so brave!)
Will this story survive the oft-forgetful 24-hour-news cycle? (Remember the Panama Papers?)
Partisan hacks on Fox News shouting "THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUO!"?
The Prez very clumsily implying that the whistle-blower should be killed?
And the Dems who never even mustered the courage to reject Trump's clownshow of a Cabinet, will they be dauntless enough to attempt anything more tangible than a strongly-worded tweet against Orangewise himself? Are they willing to fight on this hill, through thick and thin? Cause I'll tell you right now, if they're not, this whole thing is doomed from the start.
I worry about all of that, as well. And why would it change now? Part of me thinks Trump is truly teflon coated to the enth degree.
But Faux neus talking heads are now fighting with each other on air. And Pelosi has the impeachment moving faster than any other impeachment to date. Of course, this could come to a screeching halt at any time.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 11:11:06 PM
I remember Watergate--but this makes Nixon look like a boy scout. Trump may have fully shat his hat full!
You don't remember very well. When have the Republicans (this time) broken into the DNC offices? Oh, blame the insider who did this on 2016, on Putin. Was Brezhnev behind the WH Plumber group?
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
I worry about all of that, as well. And why would it change now? Part of me thinks Trump is truly teflon coated to the enth degree.
But Faux neus talking heads are now fighting with each other on air. And Pelosi has the impeachment moving faster than any other impeachment to date. Of course, this could come to a screeching halt at any time.
Reagan was a media personality first, also. But did serve as Cali governor for two terms. Trump had much less experience to start.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 26, 2019, 11:32:44 PM
Are they willing to fight on this hill, through thick and thin? Cause I'll tell you right now, if they're not, this whole thing is doomed from the start.
And the honest answer is, I don't know. And I would much rather the investigation be done methodically and carefully, and the public has to be willing to keep the pressure up.
Meanwhile, in what I hope is a sign of things to come, Martha McSally -- who was gifted with Jon Kyl's Senate seat after losing the regular Senate election to Kyrsten Sinema -- has drawn a primary opponent who's explicitly running at her not from the right, but from the
center. This too is something that has to be noticed by Senator Yertle and his Stepford Wives.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 27, 2019, 06:58:10 PM
(https://i.redd.it/5omemp63u1j31.jpg)
Hard to believe.
May be by 'treating them terribly' they mean that alt-right men discussing about removing women's basic rights like voting or driving, lol.
The Saudi Royal family does nothing wrong.
PS ... woke people treat Laura Southern as a racist. So people here trying to assuage her hurt feelings is disingenuous.
And no matter where you are the on the political spectrum, Feminism today is a cancer of commie special privs for women only.
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https://twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1177370086182551552
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Fake news ... put fingers in both ears, say la, la, la over and over again until the Loyal Opposition goes away. It would appear that pr126 was prophetic, no wonder MI6 had to apply the thumb screws. Hope he has a Round-Head reenactor costume when Parliament needs to be defenestrated. We need the same thing here in the US ... were is General MacArthur when you need him? General MacArthur provided good leadership as viceroy in Tokyo 1945-1950. Maybe we can get the Japanese to return the favor, set the US on a better course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQEdME1NtBg
Julius Caesar knew how to deal with a dysfunctional legislature.
"Intel Community Quietly Scrapped Requirement For "First-Hand Knowledge" Before CIA 'Rumorblower' Relied On Hearsay" ... truthiness isn't new to the Intel community. They are on the level of tabloid journalism and political dialog. The CIA only protects whistleblowers they like. Not Julian Assange.
"PCR: Adam Schiff Epitomizes The Total Collapse Of Democratic Party Integrity" ... Rep Schiff could have just quoted the unreacted documents. Instead he is quoting a version that only exists in his own head. Everyone in the US is now ... Alex Jones.
"Kunstler: Democrats "Set A Dumpster Fire On Their Own Garbage Barge"" ... aka don't throw rocks in a glass house.
In the rumor mill, the Elizabeth Warren campaign is happy that this brings bad light on both Biden and Trump.
"Former CIA officer who's a Democrat says Trump impeachment inquiry setting 'horrific precedent" ... yes, we can try to despoil an elected candidate, even before they take office, as happened to Trump in late 2016.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
I worry about all of that, as well. And why would it change now? Part of me thinks Trump is truly teflon coated to the enth degree.
Reagan was called "the Teflon President," but Trump makes Teflon look like 40-grit sandpaper!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2019, 01:29:07 PM
Reagan was called "the Teflon President," but Trump makes Teflon look like 40-grit sandpaper!
Mrs Trump doesn't have an astrologer to consult on national policy.
Ha! Wanna bet?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2019, 03:59:06 PM
Ha! Wanna bet?
Don't insult astologers! You may find some bad luck in your sign the next newspaper issue.
Loose lips sink presidencies (https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-trump-calls-world-leaders-sensitive-information-2019-9) (or child in chief)
Really makes you think about his 2 hour conversation with Putin with no adults in the room.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 29, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
Loose lips sink presidencies (https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-trump-calls-world-leaders-sensitive-information-2019-9) (or child in chief)
Really makes you think about his 2 hour conversation with Putin with no adults in the room.
If Obama (or Clinton) had done that, that alone would have resulted in impeachment and the Senate trial would have convicted. And it would have taken about a month to do it all, from start to finish!
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 29, 2019, 08:44:27 AM
Loose lips sink presidencies (https://www.businessinsider.com/john-kelly-trump-calls-world-leaders-sensitive-information-2019-9) (or child in chief)
Really makes you think about his 2 hour conversation with Putin with no adults in the room.
Did Obama assassinate Devil Putin? Wonder why not? Uranium One.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 29, 2019, 09:51:52 AM
If Obama (or Clinton) had done that, that alone would have resulted in impeachment and the Senate trial would have convicted. And it would have taken about a month to do it all, from start to finish!
That is because Republicans don't mess around? Democrats always triangulate, but can't remember Pythagoras' theorem. Yes, Republicans don't want to work for a living either.
Has Pence been chomping at the bit just waiting for his chance to be the most powerful man in the world?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RULAmAsrnhY
Yep, same meme of Agnew under Nixon. But people were smarter back then. They got rid of Agnew first.
Agnew would make a better president than either of the current occupants of the WH - and he was a real crook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkcTghEMpY
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 29, 2019, 06:53:15 PM
Agnew would make a better president than either of the current occupants of the WH - and he was a real crook
Grasping! "nattering nabobs of negativism" is what the Left is. Take all children away from Left parents, put them in the Marine Corp ROTC early as possible. Being a Left parent is child abuse. Remember, I would abolish all civil rights.
On NRA. Yes, we see Trump dressed like a Rambo movie all the time ... not! Fact is, the Left is afraid of armed Americans. They should be. Civil War is coming again. The Dems will be on the receiving end, again. Their mere existence won't be tolerated in a military dictatorship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0fe4clqU30
My father went to Texas Military Institute in 1944, but left to pursue a girl. He would have been someone, had he kept his peter in his pants. The greatest early graduate was General Douglas MacArthur, valedictorian in 1897, into West Point in 1898. That school has dropped its standards, MMA seems to have the right stuff.
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Hey, look at all these counties where barely anyone lives. Surely, they must outweigh the counties with major cities, right?
[spoiler]Half the US population lives in these shaded counties:
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From 2013 population data[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Hydra009 on September 29, 2019, 11:31:20 PM
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Hey, look at all these counties where barely anyone lives. Surely, they must outweigh the counties with major cities, right?
[spoiler]Half the US population lives in these shaded counties:
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From 2013 population data[/spoiler]
That is where the FEMA Camps will be set up, to give Southern hospitality to Dems. Thanks to post-birth abortion being made legal ...
First congressman to endorse Trump resigns, expected to plead guilty to insider trading (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/first-member-of-congress-to-endorse-trump-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-insider-trading/)
Hope he saves a cell.
"[A] seven-page Nancy Drew novel."
-- WH senior adviser Steven Miller on whistleblower complaint
"Liddle Adam Schiff."
-- Trump on chairman of House Intelligence Committee
"Nancy Pelosi finally capitulated to her angry mob. She does the worst thing a woman in power can do, which is she just changes her mind because the men around her said 'Change your mind.'"
-- WH counselor Kellyanne Conway
Is Nancy Pelosi's family connected to gun running in Ukraine? Doesn't matter if it is real, we can just make this shit up.
See, the only solution to false news is extermination of one side or other.
Yes, Democrats are the best friends of China (commies), Iran (theocrats), Ukraine (old style fascists). We know who is funding you!!
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 30, 2019, 05:31:17 PM
First congressman to endorse Trump resigns, expected to plead guilty to insider trading (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/first-member-of-congress-to-endorse-trump-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-insider-trading/)
Hope he saves a cell.
How? I thought that Congress had reauthorized insider trading by members of Congress?
Quote from: Baruch on September 30, 2019, 06:39:02 PM
How? I thought that Congress had reauthorized insider trading by members of Congress?
It's only legal for the ones who don't get caught.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 30, 2019, 07:08:56 PM
It's only legal for the ones who don't get caught.
Guess the info I had was fake news ...
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stop-trading-on-congressional-knowledge-act.asp
It would appear to be still active from initial passing in 2012.
What actual Ukrainian people say ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxdDAWQN6yI
Alien & Sedition act by Presidents John Adams and Woodrow Wilson give President Trump that power.
The real scandal? War crimes in the violent Fascist coup in Ukraine in 2014. Obama, Biden and Clinton should be in the Hague awaiting trial. Right next to Bush, Cheney and Blair (British PM) for war crimes against Iraq 2003 forward.
Rudy's records have been subpoenaed (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49887283). This is gonna be fun.
Quote from: trdsf on September 30, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Rudy's records have been subpoenaed (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49887283). This is gonna be fun.
Correct. Every asshole in America went over to Ukraine to grift .. not just the Biden crime family.
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Fun fact, do you know that every time Trump visits one of his properties as President, the Feds (i.e. the taxpayers) pay hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, to Trump. And for some strange reason, Trump is awfully fond of doing this.
No problem. You Dems (Commies) will murder all the millionaires soon, am I right?
Old Bug Eyes is the least lawyerly lawyer I've ever seen! Every time he gets interviewed, even by right-wingers, he spills the beans and incriminates both himself and Trump!
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
Old Bug Eyes is the least lawyerly lawyer I've ever seen! Every time he gets interviewed, even by right-wingers, he spills the beans and incriminates both himself and Trump!
Guliani? You dislike a man in a dress? He is in a super protected caste of "virtue by association". I don't care for lawyers either. They keep feeding losers into politics when they fail in the courtroom.
If Old Bug Eyes represents himself, he'll have a fool for a client.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 05:23:15 PM
If Old Bug Eyes represents himself, he'll have a fool for a client.
I think every lawyer knows that. But he may be more clever than the idiots in the House of Representatives. Never let citizens choose your leaders.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
Old Bug Eyes is the least lawyerly lawyer I've ever seen! Every time he gets interviewed, even by right-wingers, he spills the beans and incriminates both himself and Trump!
Yup! I'll make the popcorn.
I'll bring the beer! What beer goes good with impeachment?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
I'll bring the beer! What beer goes good with impeachment?
Guiltiness Extra Stout. :D
Oh, good, I like stout! It actually has some flavor.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
I'll bring the beer! What beer goes good with impeachment?
Any!
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
I'll bring the beer! What beer goes good with impeachment?
PizzaGate with walnut sauce?
This is the presidency when I should have paid for cable, just so I could watch SNL.
"Exposing Adam Schiff's deep ties to Ukraine Oligarch weapons dealer" ... not just the Biden family, not just Guliani, but an associate in arms dealing? Schiff represents Hollywood as his district. That explains his play acting a imaginary version of the telephone transcript. The PM of Ukraine, and Chancellor of Germany are mad that they weren't redacted out of the transcript. Rep Schiff should resign!!
Putin says, do that to one of my conversations with President Trump, and I will act on it.
Schiff was the principle Congressional sponsor of the Steele memo back in 2016. A product of a Deep State conspiracy with the Hillary campaign.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2019, 07:26:34 PM
I'll bring the beer! What beer goes good with impeachment?
im - peach brandy for hard drinkers.
"Pompeo Admits He Participated In Controversial Call Between Trump And Ukainian President" .. the Secretary of State and former CIA head was with Trump on the call. So no out of control Trump conversation in that case. It is looking more and more that this was a deliberate bait to catch WH leakers, and to hang Congress from their own petard.
Meanwhile back in Russia-gate ...
"DOJ To Declassify 'The Backbone' Of Mueller Investigation With Monthly Document Dumps" .. presumably with some legally mandated redactions. Will the revelations in this, break the backbone of the Dems?
"GOP DEMAND DOJ INVESTIGATE 2016 COLLUSION BETWEEN HILLARY CLINTON,THE DNC, AND UKRAINE" ... don't throw stones in glass houses.
Quote from: SGOS on October 02, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
im - peach brandy for hard drinkers.
How about triple sec for the great orange buffoon?
Dem Rebels didn't have the lobster admiral to warn them that the Repub death star was active "Its a trap!". Where can the Dems find some Ewoks?
Apparently a wall isn't going to be good enough for Trump. He wants a moat with snakes and alligators. And he want migrants to be shot, in the legs or otherwise. And flesh-piercing spikes atop the wall.
I wonder when he'll think about planting land mines along the entire length of the border?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 02, 2019, 02:52:14 PM
Apparently a wall isn't going to be good enough for Trump. He wants a moat with snakes and alligators. And he want migrants to be shot, in the legs or otherwise. And flesh-piercing spikes atop the wall.
I wonder when he'll think about planting land mines along the entire length of the border?
I heard that was false news. I will be happy to expel all the Anglos to south of the border, so MS13 can enslave your women and children (sarc).
Besides, anyone knows, the Dem version of the wall would be similar to the Democratic Republic of Germany ... Berlin wall and W German border system. Basically concertina wire and machine guns.
Trump's whole campaign strategy is "Be afraid, be very afraid!"
(https://i.redd.it/ekilbkifx4q31.png)
Dinnitdu nuffin!
They say "the whistle blower" is under federal protection, but they'd better be protecting his/her family, as well. These Trumplicans won't stop at anything to protect their idol.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 02, 2019, 04:14:37 PM
Trump's whole campaign strategy is "Be afraid, be very afraid!"
I fear 200 million American psychos. Don't you?
There is a treaty. Signed by Obama. That the US and Ukraine have to cooperate on criminal investigations. That pretty much includes every Democrat then.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 02, 2019, 04:56:32 PM
They say "the whistle blower" is under federal protection, but they'd better be protecting his/her family, as well. These Trumplicans won't stop at anything to protect their idol.
No, Hillary's Arkancide team can take care of anything, just like Epstein.
"We'll "Definitely" Interfere In 2020, Just "Don't Tell Anybody": Putin Mockingly Tells NBC Reporter" ... seems fair. The US interferes in every election in every country, including US elections. Just ask Obama/Hillary coup plotters.
Well, now we know where Trump gets some of his ideas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA6U-1Atf0w
China, if you're listening... (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-publicly-urges-china-ukraine-investigate-bidens-amid-impeachment-inquiry-n1061956)
Trump to Pence: "You scratch my back, and I'll stab yours."
I'm surprised Trump hasn't accused Pelosi of having cooties! LOL
"A coup"?
Gesundheit!
The wall is closing in on Trump - and he hasn't even built it yet! LOL
I would be excited by this too, but I don't expect anything to come of it.
Oh, I think something will come of it, but I don't yet know just what that will be.
Unfortunately, I do think this is a political stunt. Trump has committed impeachable offenses before, but now his term is almost over. I don't think the Democrats really expect the President to be impeached. Rather, they want the public to think that he should be. It's like how those investigations against Hillary ruined her chances, even though the FBI determined no fault. People heard she was under investigation, and they assumed she was guilty. Now the tables are turning.
Well, I didn't expect Trump's fan club to take it lying down, and it's already being threatened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxNEwuS6quQ
Quote from: SGOS on October 03, 2019, 03:37:26 PM
I would be excited by this too, but I don't expect anything to come of it.
A couple of days ago, against my better judgement I thought that this could be it. But I've come to my senses now and think like you.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
Trump to Pence: "You scratch my back, and I'll stab yours."
Stolen idea ... from Nixon/Agnew ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2019, 03:15:10 PM
I'm surprised Trump hasn't accused Pelosi of having cooties! LOL
Have you seen her facial wrinkles? Eew.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 03, 2019, 02:37:23 PM
China, if you're listening... (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-publicly-urges-china-ukraine-investigate-bidens-amid-impeachment-inquiry-n1061956)
China is very corrupt. As long as you play by Emperor Xi rules. So I doubt that Hunter Biden broke any Chicom laws.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 03, 2019, 06:10:23 PM
A couple of days ago, against my better judgement I thought that this could be it. But I've come to my senses now and think like you.
Like in High School, were we briefly think the prettiest cheerleader will take an interest in us?
Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2019, 09:13:05 PM
Like in High School, were we briefly think the prettiest cheerleader will take an interest in us?
Nope--knew that would never happen.
This is by far the most frightening thing I watched about Trump administration.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 03, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
Well, I didn't expect Trump's fan club to take it lying down, and it's already being threatened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxNEwuS6quQ
Quote from: Blackleaf on October 03, 2019, 04:13:15 PM
Unfortunately, I do think this is a political stunt. Trump has committed impeachable offenses before, but now his term is almost over.
I know a very few things about the subject, but this is what I have been thinking.
Is this some sort of a 'preparation' for the grounds to change the execution of the current policies as in making them harsher and more extreme in the second term -because it feels like he is going to win the second - OR if it is going to end by itself in the first with or without impeachment, was his presidency a sort of passage, may be a catalyst to create certain circumstances in the world for a new age of US international politics?
From the beginning, sometimes it feels like with Trump administration, the usual US government dynamics, mechanics... whatever you call them, went into some sort of hibernation and he is the front to cover that. Is he the threshold to a completely different era than what we know?
From day one (actually, well before) he has acted as more of a mob boss than president. He is doing things such as letting various bureaus being left empty when workers retire or quit. That way, he can direct how they will act and nobody can stop him. The same with judges of all levels. He has appointed hundreds with 'trump' judges. He loves chaos and uses it as a tool. His use of Barr is instructive; the Justice dept. has now become an arm of his will and wishes. The right wing survivalists/white nationalists/alt christian right all are heavily armed (take a gander at Jim Bakker show) and ready to rumble. They have become stronger and deeper after Tim McVeigh. Trump has not hidden the fact that these are his people. And as much of an ego-maniac that he is, could easily give the clue/order to 'let's rumble'. Yeah, I'm afraid that our country is on the edge of being controlled by this mob boss/wannabe dictator.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 04, 2019, 09:27:39 AM
From day one (actually, well before) he has acted as more of a mob boss than president. He is doing things such as letting various bureaus being left empty when workers retire or quit. That way, he can direct how they will act and nobody can stop him. The same with judges of all levels. He has appointed hundreds with 'trump' judges. He loves chaos and uses it as a tool. His use of Barr is instructive; the Justice dept. has now become an arm of his will and wishes. The right wing survivalists/white nationalists/alt christian right all are heavily armed (take a gander at Jim Bakker show) and ready to rumble. They have become stronger and deeper after Tim McVeigh. Trump has not hidden the fact that these are his people. And as much of an ego-maniac that he is, could easily give the clue/order to 'let's rumble'. Yeah, I'm afraid that our country is on the edge of being controlled by this mob boss/wannabe dictator.
The US has been an organized crime group from colonial times. What about the tobacco and human trafficking trade?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 04, 2019, 05:06:00 AM
I know a very few things about the subject, but this is what I have been thinking.
Is this some sort of a 'preparation' for the grounds to change the execution of the current policies as in making them harsher and more extreme in the second term -because it feels like he is going to win the second - OR if it is going to end by itself in the first with or without impeachment, was his presidency a sort of passage, may be a catalyst to create certain circumstances in the world for a new age of US international politics?
From the beginning, sometimes it feels like with Trump administration, the usual US government dynamics, mechanics... whatever you call them, went into some sort of hibernation and he is the front to cover that. Is he the threshold to a completely different era than what we know?
Your projection, my sympathy. Living where you do, every government action must seem extreme. Every border situation must seem extreme. No US party at present is dangerous (until the Constitution is clearly violated). The US had armed militias in the 1980s (after decline of KKK). This isn't new. What is new is anti-Fa ... but I would bet on their chances. Bike-locks vs AR-15s?
The New World Order happened already, under Bush Sr ... and the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. That created the Neo-Lib alliance and all the color revolutions. It is that period that is now collapsing, being 28 years old, more than a generation old. It is predicted that per Trump's reluctance to dance to the Neo-Con tune, and the collapse of the Neo-Lib economy due to overshooting by Germany and China and Trump trade wars (now starting against the EU also) ... the Dollar, and the US, will be less influential soon. Personally I would be happy to return to the 1941 level of US involvement in foreign affairs. We have been in a Long War since then ... wars not being authorized by Congress ... legally, because we are still fighting under the 1941 Congressional authorization.
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2019, 11:06:24 AM
The US has been an organized crime group from colonial times. What about the tobacco and human trafficking trade?
It is difficult/impossible to discuss subjects like this with you since you don't know shit (well, you do seem to know shit very well) and only want to muddy the waters of any and all conversations--much like your buddy/hero trump.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 04, 2019, 11:14:01 AM
It is difficult/impossible to discuss subjects like this with you since you don't know shit (well, you do seem to know shit very well) and only want to muddy the waters of any and all conversations--much like your buddy/hero trump.
Talk ideologies? Why? That isn't what is important.
MikeCL - Rethugs bad ... yeah, I know that.
Many - Orange Man bad ... yeah, I know that.
Me - Democraps bad, Clintons bad ... yeah, y'all know that.
But no love from me for the Rethugs, never been one, I remember the Bush crime family.
I even remember the Kennedy crime family. Not senile yet ;-)
So what is there to discuss? Democraps and Rethugs keep virtue-signaling. Their opponents keep throwing monkey feces.
The question for me, will I return to my 1995-2007 status of registered Independent non-voter? I was pulled from political retirement by Hopium with President Obama, since then just going ahead on fumes.
Is there any political activity in the US (my country) that is worth participating in? Maybe local elections after I get moved. My liberal daughter may pull me in ;-)
And yes, history does matter. The US is a crime-state. Started as British crime-colonies. My public school indoctrination long worn off.
I do keep well informed, of the current British crisis. Because it is more fun. British thugs have better accents.
The only reason I am a registered Demo is because I want to vote in the primary. Other than that I am an independent.
Quote from: Baruch on October 03, 2019, 09:11:24 PM
China is very corrupt. As long as you play by Emperor Xi rules. So I doubt that Hunter Biden broke any Chicom laws.
Hunter has become the hunted...
"There was no quid pro quo" - right, there was only quid amateur quo.
Trump seems to be a fan of Aleister Crowley, who said "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 04, 2019, 12:11:11 PM
The only reason I am a registered Demo is because I want to vote in the primary. Other than that I am an independent.
At one time that was my excuse too. But I kept seeing blood on my hands.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 04, 2019, 06:35:03 PM
Trump seems to be a fan of Aleister Crowley, who said "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
I agree with Aleister Crowley also. And I add, people dying isn't a bad thing.
"Trump Dares Pelosi To Hold Impeachment Inquiry Vote After She Says It Is "Not Required"" ... why, when Trump says, pull my thumb, the Dems keep taking the bait? Without the inquiry vote, there is no impeachment action, Pelosi is trolling the Dems.
""Flat-Out False": WaPo Calls Out Adam Schiff For Lying About Whistleblower" ... oops, too much Hunter Thompson wacko shit.
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2019, 07:05:38 PM
At one time that was my excuse too. But I kept seeing blood on my hands.
I am not a fan of this countries history nor of the political processes it uses. But then, all systems have faults. From the time I was able to follow our govt. I have found faults--my dad worked for the Dept. of the Army as an ammo inspector and he saw faults. All presidents have had faults--all of them; but then they are human. The ones that battled that humaness are the ones I respect the most.
Even on the local level, my vote does not mean much. But I still vote for that is what I can do. I am a small cog--if a cog at all. I realize that and I have learned to accept that. I am angry with all parties--demo, repub, lib., independent--any and all. But I still register to vote as a demo, for I find the usual planks of the repubs to be unacceptable. So, I simply vote for the lessor of all evils. I do not see that I have any blood on my hands--not even when Nam was hot. I served in the Army as opposed to going to Canada. You can call it being a coward or showing common sense--whatever makes you happy. Even in the Army, I was a critic of what it was doing and how it did it. But I kept it within bounds.
You claim to be a contrarian. And I guess you are. But it comes across as simply the stupid ravings of a madman. When you do that you simply disgust me and I don't respond and simply dismiss all you say as simply ravings--and the ravings are much like trump. And no, trump's weakness are not the same as Obama, Clinton, Kennedy, Bush (although close) or Reagan (tho close) or any other president. The crap you spew is not insightful, funny, entertaining--simply crap to be flushed down the toilet.
Hate history much? SJW you are. Too much ad hominem in how you "discuss things". You didn't read "How To Win Friends And Influence People".
"Is the Deep State prepared to dig up the skeletons it buried in Ukraine?" ... blood on our hands, both Dem and Repub.
My personal experience in second hand politics has pushed me to a cross between ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment
And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism
But I consider myself alt-Centrist, not alt-Right.
I wonder what the 2020 version of "pizza-gate" will be?
QuoteA resurfaced letter from 2016 signed by Senate Republicans shows that plenty of members of the GOP had Joe Biden’s back when he was asking for the chief Ukrainian prosecutor to be removed from office. This destroys one of Trump’s leading lines of attack against Biden, and helps to blow up the whole conspiracy theory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnTfo-G0NiI
QuoteOne of Donald Trump's biggest attacks on Joe Biden, the one he thinks that's really sticking with the public that's resonating well and taking down Biden is the fact that Joe Biden was basically the guy in charge here in the United States demanding that Ukraine fire their prosecutor Shoken because he wasn't doing his job. But according to Trump, he wanted him fired because he was allegedly investigating his son, which is not actually what happened yesterday. A resurface letter from the year 2016 emerged showing that, Oh, Joe Biden wasn't the only one asking for this prosecutor to be fired. Now, we already knew that other countries had asked for the prosecutor to be fired. The UN had chimed in and said, you've got to get rid of this guy not prosecuting corruption. He has corrupt himself. And then a letter in 2016 signed by Republican senators Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson called for removal of this prosecutor.
Democrats also signed it, democratic Senator Dick Durbin, Jeanne Shaheen, Chris Murphy, Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, all signed on to this letter, sent it over to Ukraine. Prosecutor respired roughly a month later. But this blows up that entire argument from Donald Trump that Biden was doing this to protect his son. You had Republicans in the Senate and Ron Johnson, by the way, has come out. So I don't remember signing that letter. I don't remember that. Kay will happened. Your names on it, your signatures there, you may not remember it, but it happened and if you can't remember it then that's probably a good sign. You shouldn't be serving in the federal government anymore because your mind slipping a bit. This is hard evidence. Republicans were with the Democrats on this particular issue. So what now? Now we know this is, this is bunk. Well, unfortunately the conservative media isn't going to talk about this letter.
They're not going to give it the coverage that it deserves and they're not going to mention the fact that no, Joe Biden did not do this to protect his son. Now that still doesn't answer the question or address the issue of whether or not Biden engaged in any quid pro quo. I'm going to withhold your aid unless you fire the prosecutor. That could still be an issue for Biden and let's be honest, that's not a good thing to do. Anyway. The aide had been passed. I mean essentially Joe Biden did to a lesser extent what Donald Trump has been accused of doing, which I have discussed earlier. I don't think what Biden did was technically illegal. Maybe it was, and if it was hell yeah, investigate, prosecute, do whatever you need to do. I 100% think what Donald Trump did was illegal. We have text messages to prove it, but now we also have an email for a letter from 2016 that proves the Joe Biden was not alone in calling for the removal of this prosecutor. It's probably not going to stop Trump from using this talking point, but anytime anybody sees it, you need to throw this letter back in their face and remind them that there was pretty much global unity calling for this prosecutor to be removed and that is not a scandal. That is not illegal. This prosecutor was corrupt as hell and wasn't prosecuting corruption because he was part of it. That's the part. Republicans still seem to have trouble getting into their skulls.
This is about as good an explanation of impeachment as any:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaAVrj6MO5U
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2019, 02:05:12 PM
I wonder what the 2020 version of "pizza-gate" will be?
Quesadilla-gate. Hispanic voters are more and more important.
Yes, in politics we dumb everything down. Helps that straight party voting pattern.
On Ukraine as I said before, both Dems and Repubs should be up for war crimes ... there and lots of other times.
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Politics is competitive! Shocker!
Quote from: Baruch on October 06, 2019, 09:36:30 AM
Politics is competitive! Shocker!
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Quote from: Unbeliever on October 05, 2019, 04:20:35 PM
Quote
One of Donald Trump's biggest attacks on Joe Biden, the one he thinks that's really sticking with the public that's resonating well and taking down Biden is the fact that Joe Biden was basically the guy in charge here in the United States demanding that Ukraine fire their prosecutor Shoken because he wasn't doing his job. But according to Trump, he wanted him fired because he was allegedly investigating his son, which is not actually what happened yesterday. A resurface letter from the year 2016 emerged showing that, Oh, Joe Biden wasn't the only one asking for this prosecutor to be fired. Now, we already knew that other countries had asked for the prosecutor to be fired. The UN had chimed in and said, you've got to get rid of this guy not prosecuting corruption. He has corrupt himself. And then a letter in 2016 signed by Republican senators Rob Portman, Mark Kirk and Ron Johnson called for removal of this prosecutor.
Heh. I'm glad I haven't written Senator Portman yet. I'm going to hang on to this one until the right moment. He tries to sell himself locally as an independent-minded Republican, but he's been a rubber stamp all along -- votes the (mal)administration line 92% of the time. And he's been a reliable 'yes' for
every Cabinet and Supreme Court nomination, even the objectively awful ones like De Vos.
DeVos is contemptible. Literally. (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464441-students-ask-federal-judge-to-hold-devos-in-contempt-for-collecting)
Trump suggests Pelosi committed treason, should be 'immediately impeached'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464603-trump-suggests-pelosi-committed-treason-should-be-immediately
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2019, 07:41:17 AM
Trump suggests Pelosi committed treason, should be 'immediately impeached'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464603-trump-suggests-pelosi-committed-treason-should-be-immediately
This is classic trump. He accuses others of doing what it is he is doing or has done. This fits into his always telling lies--he does not care if he is telling the truth or lies, all he really cares about is that this form of chaos creation has worked for him in the past, so why change it now? His cult following laps it up--whatever he is the truth to them and it matters not if he sad something the opposite an hour ago--both are the truth to them. Yes, the people of this country are that stupid. Most are christian--right? Therefore stupid and gullible.
Yes, I see. But there are better ways to do that. This is... childish? I swear it is like a parody. Everything is. Here too.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2019, 09:22:24 AM
Yes, I see. But there are better ways to do that. This is... childish? I swear it is like a parody. Everything is. Here too.
Trump is 'childish' in his approach to the world, and especially to his base. He speaks and writes at a dumb 5th grade level--his base understands him then. He personifies the playground bully. His base loves it. Trump echoes what the stupid people of this country believe, and those people are here by the tens of millions--or more. Christianity has been embraced here as in no other country; christianity does not lead to reasoned thinking or critical thinking--it leads to belief over thought, to being gullible and distrust of intellectual pursuits. It creates sheeple and that is who trump gets his power from.
I'd be really disappointed if I had a 5th grader who could write no better than what Trump does.
LOL' yeah. I posted it to the other thread. Did you see his last tweet?
QuoteAs I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...
I get the Turkey part, after what happened, but didn't get the Europe and others part. what is going on? Why is he this unhinged? I keep saying, this is weird even for him, isn't it?
Wow, he really did say "in my great and unmatched wisdom"!
He wouldn't know wisdom if it poked out his eyeballs! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
I'd be really disappointed if I had a 5th grader who could write no better than what Trump does.
Notice I said 'dumb' 5th grader. :)
Yeah, really dumb! LOL
So he is ordered to report 8 years of tax return. Why is everything going so fast. I bet he'll say he doesn't have it because he already returned it. :p Lool. Yikes.
Republicans don't answer questions, they just spew talking points.
Quote--Shocking pictures appear to confirm Donald Trump's likely use of "uppers" after boxes of Sudafed are found in his office desk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFVHM_G05o
Trump the drug addict...who could've guessed?
The Republicans are all hanging together, because they know if they don't they'll all hang separately.
QuoteA federal judge has had to tell Donald Trump that it would be against the law for him to destroy any communications â€" call logs, transcripts, notes, etc â€" that he has had with foreign leaders. This is bad news for Trump, but it may not be enough to prevent his administration from “disappearing†what would likely be a treasure trove of damning information.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HWbaCjteOQ
Trump may just emulate his hero, Jackson, and say "The judge has made his decision, now let him enforce it."
Well, the right-wing is finally starting to wake up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAb9-CntrkM
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I am above ze law!
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 08:40:09 PM
Well, the right-wing is finally starting to wake up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAb9-CntrkM
They dare to question the unmatched wisdom of their god, Donald Trump? That's a surprise. Well, we know Trump watches Fox News, so he definitely noticed the criticism. Wonder if he'll change his mind and send the troops back, or if he'll stubbornly continue to justify his terrible decision.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 06, 2019, 06:59:39 PM
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Well, for you all ballots would just have one name, yours. Messiah much?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2019, 07:41:17 AM
Trump suggests Pelosi committed treason, should be 'immediately impeached'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464603-trump-suggests-pelosi-committed-treason-should-be-immediately
Oliver Cromwell the whole Congress! We don't need any stinkin' legislature.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2019, 09:22:24 AM
Yes, I see. But there are better ways to do that. This is... childish? I swear it is like a parody. Everything is. Here too.
Nothing is real since before the Moon landing. Just brains in a jar being fed fake news.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 01:25:12 PM
I'd be really disappointed if I had a 5th grader who could write no better than what Trump does.
I blame texting and twitter. The end of literary is upon us!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2019, 03:33:04 PM
So he is ordered to report 8 years of tax return. Why is everything going so fast. I bet he'll say he doesn't have it because he already returned it. :p Lool. Yikes.
His tax dodge 25 years ago was legal then. Democrats like retroactive law.
I would love all of you to be … disciplined by a General Pinochet.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 04:21:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPFVHM_G05o
Trump the drug addict...who could've guessed?
JFK too, for his back pain. Trump has pain in the ass … Dems ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
The Republicans are all hanging together, because they know if they don't they'll all hang separately.
Dems get machine gunned.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 06:38:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HWbaCjteOQ
Trump may just emulate his hero, Jackson, and say "The judge has made his decision, now let him enforce it."
That worked for Hillary too, right? Only good Dem is a Dem in jail.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 07, 2019, 08:40:09 PM
Well, the right-wing is finally starting to wake up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAb9-CntrkM
CIA and FBI behind Russia-gate. They have been working against Trump since he started running in 2016. Only JEB can be President.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 07, 2019, 10:10:21 PM
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I am above ze law!
US has 1000 separate jurisdictions. All with different judicial opinions. 9th Federal District court is commies for example.
All of America's allies must be taking a really hard look at Trump's abandonment of the Kurds. Which allies will be abandoned next?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 08, 2019, 03:28:04 PM
All of America's allies must be taking a really hard look at Trump's abandonment of the Kurds. Which allies will be abandoned next?
California, Florida, New York, Texas...
I'm hopeful that by unleashing the Turkish military to basically invade northern Syria the rest of the GOP will come to their collective senses to give the green light for impeachment, but I'm not particularly confident that they'll actually follow through. The first sign of anything resembling anything close to restraint on the Turkish military will be all the excuse republicans need to keep backing him.
I hear Trump's going to meet with Turkey for Thanksgiving...
By the way, it would appear that even Alabama is losing its GOP grip on the state. Montgomery Alabama just elected its first ever Black mayor as did Selma, Birmingham and even the racing capital of the state, Talladega. When Alabama turns somewhat blue it can only mean one thing. ALIENS!
QuoteAn aide to Donald Trump has said that the White House has no intention of working with Congress on drug pricing legislation as long as the Democrats continue their impeachment probe. People are dying in this country because they can’t afford their medication, and this administration wants to use these people as bargaining chips to stop the drive for impeachment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjX6TwTsVig
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Peace_Spring
QuoteOperation Peace Spring (Turkish: Barış Pınarı Harekâtı), is an ongoing military operation conducted by the Turkish Armed Forces and Syrian National Army (SNA) against the Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria (NES) and its armed wing, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF). The operation began on 9 October 2019 when the Turkish Air Force launched airstrikes on border towns, including Ras al-Ayn.[10] According to a spokesman for President Erdogan, the operation is intended to "correct the demographics" of northern Syria.[11][12]
Well, that didn't take long.
QuoteAccording to a spokesman for President Erdogan, the operation is intended to "correct the demographics" of northern Syria.
That just sounds like genocide with extra steps.
(https://i.imgur.com/rymDz39.jpg)
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 09, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
That just sounds like genocide with extra steps.
Well, if Trump, in his great and unmatched wisdom doesn't like it he'll destroy Turkey's economy. Got popcorn?
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 09, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/rymDz39.jpg)
Yeah, all of the above.
(https://i.redd.it/a08u2ka26lr31.jpg)
If only there was some sort of policy in place to help with that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 09, 2019, 05:53:53 PM
That just sounds like genocide with extra steps.
It sounds bad. But I think they mean sending back 4 million Syrian to that region by that. E: Or I want to think that. I shouldn't even follow the news about this...whatever it is.
Two of Guiliani's associates arrested for campaign finance violations (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-arrests/two-men-linked-to-trumps-lawyer-giuliani-arrested-on-campaign-finance-violations-idUSKBN1WP218)
Apparently, they were using a shell company to disguise the source of a $325,000 donation to a pro-Trump political action committee.
Federal judge knocks DOJ stance that sitting president can't be indicted (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464643-federal-judge-knocks-doj-stance-that-sitting-president-cant-be)
QuotePresident Donald Trump’s spiritual adviser Paula White says she was ordered by God to serve the Republican president.
The prosperity gospel pastor explained that she was compelled to serve as chair of Trump’s evangelical advisory board.
“Literally, the God aspect, like, what God told me to do, how I even got involved, because the one thing that I said, I’ll never do politics,†White said. “But when it came down to it, it wasn’t about doing politics, it was about an assignment. To say no to President Trump would be saying no to God, and I won’t do that.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szQo-LKtxqQ
Trump doesn't have a "spiritual advisor" - he has a religion propaganda advisor.
Trump as God? Political satire couldn't be much better.
Seems kind of sacrilegious, to me.
Do you guys know the documentary series Family? I think he was defined as God's instrument there. Which can be flawed?
QuoteThe Family â€" which is a nickname for The Fellowship â€" is based on the 2009 book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power by Jeff Sharlet. The five-part series looks into the inner workings of the highly private group, and its members who have held positions in government.
Quote is from google not the link.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/15/the-family-netflix-powerful-sinister-christian-sect-trump
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 10, 2019, 08:11:21 PM
Seems kind of sacrilegious, to me.
I like the idea of Trump as god -- non-existent, with zero affect on the real world.
How does he have zero affect on the real world?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 10, 2019, 11:52:54 PM
Do you guys know the documentary series Family? I think he was defined as God's instrument there. Which can be flawed?
Quote is from google not the link.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/aug/15/the-family-netflix-powerful-sinister-christian-sect-trump
We may already live in a secret theocracy and not know it. Well, of course we wouldn't know it, that's what secret means!
As Aristotle put it, "A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side."
The theocracy may not be secret for much longer, as the right-wing may manage to get even more power through religion, more blatantly. And the version of religion they will use to enslave the masses is of the most horrendous variety! When they start saying that God put them in their position we're all of us in grave danger. But especially we nonbelievers. We may become be targets if our unbelief is generally known.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 11, 2019, 07:57:24 AM
How does he have zero affect on the real world?
He just means it would be nice if Trump, like God, had no effect on the real world.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 11, 2019, 02:01:00 PM
He just means it would be nice if Trump, like God, had no effect on the real world.
Ah. The god part escaped me,lol.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 11, 2019, 02:01:00 PM
He just means it would be nice if Trump, like God, had no effect on the real world.
Unlike, unfortunately, his cadre of high priests and horde of cultists, who have a most unpleasant real-world impact.
At least for various gods all through time and around the world, there are towering works of art done in their name. The only positive potential legacy of Trump is --
if it comes off -- the reawakening of the NASA lunar program and beyond.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9No7jLG_9gA
simply, if you don't want trump re-elected, maybe you should speak out against these people, like the one spitting on an old man, one who ended up coming off as having a charming demeanor.
When people like this call themselves as the anti trump groups, it just gives him more weight when it goes viral.
thats a continued growing problem you guys have over there, when people on your side come off as bad as, if not worse then your opponents.
probably doesn't help either when the guy in the maga hat is the one whos acting charming and respectful.
Yes, yes, yes, there are assholes on both sides. Yes, the spitter was wrong. At least on our side, we don't drive cars into crowds and kill people.
Quote from: Munch on October 11, 2019, 07:54:09 PMsimply, if you don't want trump re-elected, maybe you should speak out against these people, like the one spitting on an old man, one who ended up coming off as having a charming demeanor.
So are you saying that if you don't speak out about something bad, you could be viewed as tacitly supporting it? Asking for a friend in a concentration camp. And on the wrong side of a tiki torch party. And something something Saudi Arabia.
Peaches is the most proficient bigly good and perfect peach worthy of impeachment.
I hear he will be headed to Northern Syria soon to deliver a rally speech to the Kurds.
Quote from: trdsf on October 11, 2019, 08:15:04 PM
Yes, yes, yes, there are assholes on both sides. Yes, the spitter was wrong. At least on our side, we don't drive cars into crowds and kill people.
least when far right lunatics attack they tend to target those opposed to their beliefs, antifa doesn't care who they attack, even their own, or none whites.
https://quillette.com/2019/06/30/antifas-brutal-assault-on-andy-ngo-is-a-wake-up-call-for-authorities-and-journalists-alike/
But I'm not going into a pointless back and forth here. Simply put you should honestly put a lens on the shit happening in your country and why, from a public pov, it would allow someone like trump to continue in office. face some hard truths.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 11, 2019, 08:21:10 PM
So are you saying that if you don't speak out about something bad, you could be viewed as tacitly supporting it? Asking for a friend in a concentration camp. And on the wrong side of a tiki torch party. And something something Saudi Arabia.
you speak out about bad behavior all the time. its just one sided.
When my nephews are fighting, I always look at who started the fight and punish them accordingly, and yeah, they have both instigated fights between them, so you don't just look at things with a bias pov, in small stuff like that, or politics.
Its easy to talk about all the stuff over the fence you hate, but a lot harder to look at the shit in your own back yard and making it better.
Quote from: Munch on October 11, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
But I'm not going into a pointless back and forth here. Simply put you should honestly put a lens on the shit happening in your country and why, from a public pov, it would allow someone like trump to continue in office. face some hard truths.
The hard truths are, there is a large section of our country that has been conned into reliably voting against their own best interests mainly in the name of religion, that there is virtually no election oversight, and that there is far too much money pushing the interests of a very small number of people poisoning the system. Thank you, I have an extremely clear view from here.
Quote from: Munch on October 11, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
least when far right lunatics attack they tend to target those opposed to their beliefs, antifa doesn't care who they attack, even their own, or none whites.
Also, you don't get to equate general anti-Trumpism with your boogeyman Antifa, not unless you want to have Brexiteers equated with the National Front. That's bullshit and you know it.
Unfortunately for the flipside, the links between Trump followers and militias, hate groups, and white supremacists are both numerous and well-documented.
Quote from: Munch on October 11, 2019, 08:36:29 PM
you speak out about bad behavior all the time. its just one sided.
Projection, much? That actually seems to be your standard operating procedure. I criticize lefties too (they're not really in charge right now, fyi), I just don't obsess over milkshakes and brie larson's twitter and random small things in a naked attempt to divert attention away from huge policy disasters. How's that working out for you, by the way?
"From the day I announced I was running for President, I have never had a good Fox News poll. Whoever their Pollster is, they suck. But Fox News is also much different than it used to be in the good old days... Fox News doesn't deliver for us anymore. It is so different than it used to be. Oh well, I'm President!"
-- Trump
Trump wants his very own propaganda network, like One America News Network (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network), or Breitbart, maybe. We'll have to wait and see how that works out for him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLKS0Rv89s
I wonder why trump loves the poorly educated so much?
QuoteThe New Yorker’s Jane Mayer tells Chris Hayes about the right-wing ecosystem that creates scandals â€" and might well inadvertently bring down a president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeohsDei2jM
So, we can abandon the Kurds, but protect the Saudis? Sounds about right, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSIoIJrmSQk
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 12, 2019, 02:49:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvLKS0Rv89s
I wonder why trump loves the poorly educated so much?
This reminds me that something happened 5 years ago, one of the ministers from the gov party over here said 'educated people don't trust us'. LOL... Curious...veeeeery curious.
"Anyone who wants to assist Syria in protecting the Kurds is good with me, whether it is Russia, China, or Napoleon Bonaparte. I hope they all do great, we are 7,000 miles away!"
-- Trump
Why do all these Trump minions (and Trump himself) believe they can get away with breaking the law so blatantly? Do they have something up their sleeves, an ace in the hole? Several aces? Are they so rich and powerful that they know they'll never spend a day in jail? What!?
The Trumptards who want to fight the impeachment process should remember that that is laid out in the Constitution, so they are fighting the mechanism that got President-Technically Trump into the White House.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 16, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
Why do all these Trump minions (and Trump himself) believe they can get away with breaking the law so blatantly? Do they have something up their sleeves, an ace in the hole? Several aces? Are they so rich and powerful that they know they'll never spend a day in jail? What!?
Why? When, in his entire life, has he not gotten away with breaking laws blatantly? That's what he does--lies and breaks laws--and has always done and gotten away with.
Yeah, but what makes all those minions believe they can get away with it? Did Trump tell them so, and they actually believed him?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 16, 2019, 03:39:50 PM
Yeah, but what makes all those minions believe they can get away with it? Did Trump tell them so, and they actually believed him?
He is a huge puzzle. He demands loyalty from his minions, yet he gives them none. Why do people keep wanting to be one of his minions???He is famous for not paying his subcontractors--why do people and small companies keep taking on that work for him???
A puzzle, wrapped in an enigma, surrounded by mystery! We'll just have to wait and see...
An incredibly eratic day, even by Trump's standards, with his joint interview with the Italian pres, Sergio Mattarella.
1. Slurred his words multiple times, talked slowly and seemed to really struggle to read his notes multiple times.
2. Called him, "President mozzarella" multiple times.
3. And saving best for last, claimed that the United States and Italy have been extremely close allies since, "Ancient Rome".
Quote from: Shiranu on October 16, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
An incredibly eratic day, even by Trump's standards, with his joint interview with the Italian pres, Sergio Mattarella.
1. Slurred his words multiple times, talked slowly and seemed to really struggle to read his notes multiple times.
2. Called him, "President mozzarella" multiple times.
3. And saving best for last, claimed that the United States and Italy have been extremely close allies since, "Ancient Rome".
To be fair, he said that the United States and Italy have a shared heritage, dating back to ancient Rome. What he meant was that culture that we both share originated in Rome. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but it's certainly not as stupid as saying that America and Italy have been allies since Ancient Rome was around. That President Mozzarella thing was pretty hilarious, though. lol
Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-2020-win-if-economy-holds-up.html)
I sure hope this is wrong.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 16, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
The Trumptards who want to fight the impeachment process should remember that that is laid out in the Constitution, so they are fighting the mechanism that got President-Technically Trump into the White House.
Care to elaborate?
Quote from: Shiranu on October 16, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
3. And saving best for last, claimed that the United States and Italy have been extremely close allies since, "Ancient Rome".
That's interesting. I don't know why he said 'since Ancient Rome' or if he knows the difference between Italian City States and Ancient Rome, but over all, It reminds me Hans Baron's thesis of Early Italian Renaissance. Have you ever heard of it? It's sometimes called the crisis of 1402 by historians?
This thesis is belonged to the first half of the 20th century. In a nutshell, it basicly claims that the reason Italian Renaissance was triggered in Florence -which is very important for the globe in general- because of the open Milanese threat. Because Milanese were powerful enough to annihilate and rule over Florence then all other city states. And after the Milanese tyrant dies just like that, there comes a big, sudden -50 smt years?- political/cultural transformation and so the movement
civic humanism was born as a reaction. So the main reason for Renaissance which transformed the Western Civilisation, created modernity was a deadly military threat, not anything based on the legends of the artistic, humanistic, romantic birth of the Renaissance needlessly to say.
So Baron's thesis, something based on a solid, massive real life threat makes sense, but of course it is not that simple as nothing is.
Now, this movement sometimes expressed as the spirit guidence of the American War of Independence in expansion, but then that is an idea as romantic as the Renaissance 'spirit' popping up for progress and art and love of humanism by itself, lol. After all, US has been more powerful over the world since the WWII than Milan City State was over Italian peninsula in the early 15th century.
Just reminded me this.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 16, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-2020-win-if-economy-holds-up.html)
I sure hope this is wrong.
He will win. I think, tons of people who voted for him in the first term but then criticised him afterwards, will again vote for him just because of the impeachment. Also, money talks right?
Before the inquiry started, the people I heard talking about impeachment on NPR called it a risky move by Democrats. I didn't expect it to happen. Maybe it's a hail Mary play done in desperation. I haven't been keeping up with the polls either. Although I once put a lot of faith in polling data, I'm more cautious after 2016, because the pollsters seemed to be polling common "wisdom" rather than data.
Did Columbus discover America before or after Ancient Rome? (Rhetorical sarcasm)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2019, 04:52:39 AM
Care to elaborate?
The Constitution established the electoral college, yes?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 17, 2019, 09:17:56 AM
The Constitution established the electoral college, yes?
OK. You mean he won the same way, like Bush, but lost the popular vote. But how is that against him? Isn't the advantage with Republicans? So again he will lose the popular vote by more but win the electoral again, right?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/17/20868790/republicans-lose-popular-vote-win-electoral-college
Or you mean comething else altogether?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2019, 05:58:05 AM
Also, money talks right?
Yeah, I guess that's where most of the campaign money goes, is to advertising and talking heads, huh?
It looks like even Trump's lawyers' lawyers are going to need lawyers...
"You don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy -- and I will...History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen. Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool! I will call you later."
-- from Trump letter to Turkey's President Erdogan
"Our soldiers are not in harm's way, as they shouldn't be, as two countries fight over land that has nothing to do with us. And the Kurds are much safer now."
-- Trump
"I hope President Trump is right in his belief that Turkey's invasion of Syria is of no concern to us, abandoning the Kurds won't come back to haunt us, ISIS won't reemerge, and Iran will not fill the vacuum created by this decision."
-- Sen. Lindsey Graham
"Lindsey Graham would like to stay in the Middle East for the next thousand years."
-- Trump
1001 nights - when will this fairy tale be over, so we can all live happily ever after?
"For many, many years, Turkey, in all fairness, they've had a legitimate problem...They had terrorists, they had a lot of people in there they couldn't have...and they had to have it cleaned out...This outcome is something they've been trying to get for 10 years...What Turkey is getting now is, they're not going to have to kill millions of people, and millions of people aren't going to have to kill them...Great day for the Kurds. It's a really great day for civilization...We've gotten everything we could have ever dreamed of...Everybody is happy...This is an amazing outcome...We will be watching. We will be in charge."
-- Trump
He sounds like a representative of the Borg Collective: "You will service...U.S.!"
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 19, 2019, 01:18:12 PM
He sounds like a representative of the Borg Collective: "You will service...U.S.!"
No, you will continue to service Chicoms. Chicoms are master race, round-eyes!
Round eyes in a square skull...
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 21, 2019, 06:44:50 PM
Round eyes in a square skull...
Better than square eyes in round skull ;-)
How about trapezoidal eyes in a hexaflexagon skull?
"This MSNBC Clip Is Everything Ugly About Russia Smears" ... MSNBC claims, because Tulsi Gabbard denies being a Putin puppet, she must be a Putin puppet. This is why MSM is losing support. They are the National Inquirer. Hot news! Bat Boy set to marry Ilhan Omar ... you heard it here first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snKy3c8AdeA
Sorry, the only WMD that the Dems have are their electric dildo collection. And Rue Paul's drag queens ;-) No need for a civil war ... the Repubs won't put on a dress.
When will Brits or Americans stop jacking off to Doom Porn?
Quote from: Baruch on October 22, 2019, 07:54:23 PM
Sorry, the only WMD that the Dems have are their electric dildo collection.
Those are obsolete, now they use tele-dildonics.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "interface."
I can't wait to get hold of a copy of John Lithgow's new book:
https://www.cnsnews.com/video/colbert-delights-lithgow-reads-aloud-anti-trump-poetry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5afK749AA
The one about the Major General is funny as hell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzTXfzsmLY
Mob rule is now how we're governed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqFzOIu1wrc
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 23, 2019, 01:29:15 PM
Those are obsolete, now they use tele-dildonics.
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "interface."
I thought you took your tele-dildonics at the other end ;-) But if electronic fellatio turns you on ...
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 23, 2019, 03:37:29 PM
Mob rule is now how we're governed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqFzOIu1wrc
Italian Americans are mostly Democrats. Ask my ex!
"Most of the ISIS fighters that we captured -- we, we, not Obama, we. We captured them. Me. Our country captured them. Working with others, including the Kurds."
-- Trump
"[Former Defense Secretary James Mattis is] the world's most overrated general. You know why? He wasn't tough enough. I captured ISIS. Mattis said it would take two years. I captured them in one month."
-- Trump
Boss claiming results of subordinates. What is new?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 24, 2019, 06:39:58 AM
"Most of the ISIS fighters that we captured -- we, we, not Obama, we. We captured them. Me. Our country captured them. Working with others, including the Kurds."
-- Trump
"[Former Defense Secretary James Mattis is] the world's most overrated general. You know why? He wasn't tough enough. I captured ISIS. Mattis said it would take two years. I captured them in one month."
-- Trump
So, Mad Dog was mad enough, huh?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 24, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
So, Mad Dog was mad enough, huh?
Mad enough to probably join the planned coup ;-) Let the civilians create enough chaos, and then a military intervention will seem reasonable.
Now Trump says he's building a wall in Colorado! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 24, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
Now Trump says he's building a wall in Colorado! LOL
Reefer madness! ;-)
Reefer mindless! LOL
(https://i.redd.it/7f5ihmauvnu31.jpg)
Guiliani being Guiliani (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901)
I wouldn't bet against Guiliani, Barr or Durham. But the Rethugs won't indict any Dems, because no Dems indicted any Rethugs in 2009. A two way controlled opposition.
I would love to see every member of Congress indicted (except two members of Senate and three members of House, who are Independent). Bernie Sanders used to be Independent, until he chose to be Hillary's cuck. So scratch one of two members of the Senate too.
First we get rid of Congress. Then I consider the SCOTUS to be illegitimate also, depose them. With only the POTUS (Pres and VP) left, then the Pentagon can arrest both of them.
AOC, questioning Mark Zuckerberg in House Financial Services Committee hearing:
"Could I run ads on Facebook targeting Republicans in primaries saying that they voted for the Green New Deal?"
Zuckerberg:
"I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head. I think probably."
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 26, 2019, 07:45:04 AM
AOC, questioning Mark Zuckerberg in House Financial Services Committee hearing:
"Could I run ads on Facebook targeting Republicans in primaries saying that they voted for the Green New Deal?"
Zuckerberg:
"I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head. I think probably."
I would hope yes. Anyone, including Putin, can buy ads and say anything they like, about any election etc ... all else is tyranny.
Also in US law, there is no such thing as defamation of a politician. Otherwise politics would be impossible.
"I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President."
-- WH Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham on former WH chief of staff
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 28, 2019, 07:15:44 AM
"I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President."
-- WH Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham on former WH chief of staff
This is why you appoint people smarter than yourself, not less smart. There may have been a problem early on, with appointing too many ex-generals to civilian cabinet positions. Since civilians don't follow orders.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" - William Casey 1981, new CIA director
My new bumpersnicker:
(https://i.imgur.com/AZMoZQN.jpg)
but only White males, right? That seems to be the trend in every community in the US (recent case in Illinois suburb ... Oak Park). If both 2016 candidates had been Black, this would have gotten more interesting. Black males should be immune from consequences. Gay Black women triply so.
"[Al-Baghdadi] was a gutless animal...He died like a dog. He died like a coward...Our canine, I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog, was injured and brought back."
-- Trump
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 29, 2019, 07:41:20 AM
"[Al-Baghdadi] was a gutless animal...He died like a dog. He died like a coward...Our canine, I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog, was injured and brought back."
-- Trump
No, a revered Islamic scholar radicalized by the Clinton-Bush destruction of his country. Prove me wrong - Washington Post.
In the future historians are going to think we're taking the mickey on them with all the things T.rump said. They're hardly going to believe any of this shit.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 29, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
In the future historians are going to think we're taking the mickey on them with all the things T.rump said. They're hardly going to believe any of this shit.
Unless you hear his actual voice recorded, it is hard to imagine that a military icon like General Patton, talked with such a squeaky voice.
https://i.imgur.com/By0MUsl.gifv
*expanding brain meme*
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 30, 2019, 07:19:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/By0MUsl.gifv
*expanding brain meme*
Felonius Gru was an OK guy.
A summary of related news articles ...
1. "Yes, Virginia, There Is A Deep State And It's Feeding The Anti-POTUS Mob" ... Lt. Colonel Vindman (recent testifier) is a Deep State supporter of current Ukraine policy, that Trump is a threat to.
2. Bolton was fired over interference with the President, in N Korea and Ukraine policy. Bolton supports hard neo-Con position on both.
3. "Bolton To Give Closed-Door Impeachment Testimony Next Week" ... contradicted by next entry.
4. "Bolton Will Not Appear Voluntarily To Testify In Impeachment Inquiry" ... Clapper and Brennan are cut from the same neo-Con cloth.
5. "NSC Official Who Quit Ahead Of Today's Impeachment Testimony Reportedly Witnessed Quid Pro Quo" ... Sam Morrison (testifier) called Bolton't Bolton. Quid pro quo, supposedly done outside of disputed phone call. The phone call is a distraction.
6. "Houses Approves Trump Impeachment Procedures" ... basically a new special prosecution to replace the failed Mueller special prosecutor. So Ukraine-gate is not quite advanced organizationally, as the prior attempt to replace Trump. It is being taken entirely within the Legislature, instead of delegated to Deep State operatives within the FBI and DoJ.
Summary: The Deep State controls the Federal government, including foreign and domestic policy. The FBI controls the domestic policy and the CIA controls the foreign policy, and they cooperate with each other. This has been ongoing since false-democracy was imposed with the assassination of JFK. All subsequent Presidents have played ball, to avoid a trip to Dallas. Until Trump.
The real problems with Ukraine is two-fold ... Nato colonialism thru color revolutions including aligning with completely immoral forces in the target country (Ukraine famously has a ferocious fascism that the US has sought to exploit since 1946). Trump's election prevented the "Chosen One" aka CIA candidate, to not get elected. Like the Mule in Foundation Trilogy.
So the CIA/FBI has to force Trump to continue the bi-partisan anti-Russian, pro-Chinese NWO started by George H W Bush in 1991 (as envisioned by Bryzhinsky). The CIA doesn't support the trade war on China either. Trump didn't work with Russia. Obama/Clinton worked with Ukraine. The Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election, on behalf of Clinton, has to remain secret.
Perpetual war against N Korea is also a fundamental position of the Deep State. War profiteering is the sole success of the US economy since Churchill/Truman created the Cold War in 1946. Trump threatens this, and the very profitable China trade. He is very disruptive to trillions of dollars of ill gotten gain. It is vital to torture Assange into turning on Trump.
What do I like? 6 months ago I accused the Dems, here, that they were cowards. That impeachment is a political action, not a criminal action. It is unnecessary to find a crime that Trump has committed. It is enough to politically dislike him. The Dems haven't gone full retard yet, this wasn't a vote for actual impeachment. That has to wait until late next year, to give maximum impact on the coming election.
So the late 2020 impeachment vote, is the "insurance policy" against a Trump 2nd term win. Ukraine-gate is Russian-gate 2.0. Of course a Dem might get elected. Then there is likely no further support for impeachment, as unnecessary, when the bill reaches the Senate after the election, but before Jan 2021.
Basically my call for military dictatorship of the US simplifies this. No more fake democracy. No more moronic civilian muppets of the Deep State. Direct totalitarianism from the best part of US society today, the professional, volunteer military. Uniformed socialism (Junkers) to stop the self destructive Left, as in Germany in 1933. But smarter this time, no more post card painting corporals. Goose stepping is unnecessary.
Quote--Lunatic Christian Rick Wiles actually makes a sensible prediction, that there will be mass violence in the streets if Donald Trump is removed from office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpoJUvGGpdg
Good thing we have all that "Christian love" - it'd be hell if all we had is Christian hate.
Just how low will Republicans stoop to avoid answering questions about Trump?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ackLORh1wpE
Pretty damned low!
R needs the same firing squad as D. The Dems don't belong to an organized party, famously. Neither do the Repubs. But it doesn't matter because both parties are muppets.
The Republicans know they must all hang together, or they might all hang separately.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 02, 2019, 07:03:38 PM
The Republicans know they must all hang together, or they might all hang separately.
You give them too much credit. All die eventually, and all politicians at least, deserve to.
QuoteDonald Trump tells police they'll receive military grade weapons under his second term, meanwhile governors are tracking their citizens movements? Are we turning into a police state?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyHfa4pImAY
QuoteJared Kushner linked to abduction of Jamal Khashoggi, a journalist murdered in Saudi Embassy, Did Kushner order this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwev9uEBhqo
1. The US has been a police state, since the 1920s, when J Edgar took over the FBI ... and improved cross dressing.
2. Not Kusher. Trump personally went to that Saudi consulate in Turkey, and used a chain saw to cut up Mr Kashoggi, while he was still alive. This is the way of the Godfather of NYC .. Donald Trump.
Really, we know that the current crown prince of SA, had Mr Kashoggi killed. Are you sure he didn't deserve it?
Whenever I see that Baruch has written a post, I say to myself: "Well, no sense reading that waste of time."
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 04, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Whenever I see that Baruch has written a post, I say to myself: "Well, no sense reading that waste of time."
Unbeliever comment - worthwhile
Unbeliever SF psychotic political video - not worthwhile
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 04, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Whenever I see that Baruch has written a post, I say to myself: "Well, no sense reading that waste of time."
Well.. that's just rude.
So what? I sometimes feel like being rude.
Quote from: Munch on November 05, 2019, 03:01:18 PM
Well.. that's just rude.
Actually, it's not. Baruch is rude to one extent or another in almost every post. Or at least, in the posts one can understand. Like Unbeliever I chose not to read most of his posts any more--they simply make no sense.
At least I refrained from saying "Fuck off twit!" this time! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 05, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
So what? I sometimes feel like being rude.
Your real name is Rudy ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 05, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Actually, it's not. Baruch is rude to one extent or another in almost every post. Or at least, in the posts one can understand. Like Unbeliever I chose not to read most of his posts any more--they simply make no sense.
I refuse to quote from Abby Hoffman's "Steal This Web URL" ;-)
You are older than me, so I know how senile I will be getting ... yes, rude, but true.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 05, 2019, 06:38:22 PM
At least I refrained from saying "Fuck off twit!" this time! LOL
You self contradict like a true Yippie from 1968.
Jeez, I didn't even know Trump had a "spiritual advisor."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgxMgoVkMI
I am sure there is a YouTube out there, were D candidates suck Satan's penis. Quality news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YomSEnXv504
This is a very good video by Aron Ra. It's not all about Trump, but a good portion of it is. Did you know that shortly after wolves were brought back from the brink of extinction, saved by conservationists and national parks that got them back on their feet, Trump made it legal to hunt down and kill wolves without limitation? Probably not, because the news doesn't talk about it. He even allows hunters to use the trackers on the wolves, which were put there by those trying to save the wolves, to find them. Any trap imaginable, even those made of barbed wire, is free game now. Just another thing to add to the long list of insane, evil things Trump has done.
This is a long video, but I highly recommend it. Aron Ra is a very talented speaker, and his speech is very thorough. I learned a lot by watching it. It's clear that he spends a lot of time researching and developing his points before speaking.
And yes, Baruch, he does talk about the faults of Obama and Hillary too.
Edit: I've gotta save this quote from him:
"Trump is an incoherent, incompetent, criminally corrupt, willfully ignorant, immoral, unfaithful, unethical, crooked, fraudulent, narcissistic, pathological liar, a racist, fascist, shyster, a business failure, dangerous science denier, and apparently demented traitor, with a reading level, speech, and intellectual capacity of a fourth grader, with no comprehension, no compunction, no conscience, no awareness of history or geography, no appreciation of or understanding of science, and no concern for the environment either."
If Trump were Satan, I am looking forward to all you atheists spending eternity with your infernal master ;-) Trump is nothing, a distraction for sheeple. Same as Hillary … your once and future D party nominee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O02oi0ThFtg
I have to admire trump jr. Not only did he come onto a very leftist and democrat headed panel of gaggling soccer moms, but he held his cool when they didn't let him get a word in edge-ways. And when calling out their own faults, having them deny their own issues and things they can't fess up to just made it all the more enjoyable to watch.
Ah yes. Triggering the Libs. The most admirable of human accomplishments. Truely, Drumpf Jr. is a shining beacon for all of us who wish to leave the world just a little bit better off than when we entered it. As a polluted white ethno Christian state wasteland.
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 08, 2019, 09:47:07 PM
Ah yes. Triggering the Libs. The most admirable of human accomplishments. Truely, Drumpf Jr. is a shining beacon for all of us who wish to leave the world just a little bit better off than when we entered it. As a polluted white ethno Christian state wasteland.
Better than FEMA camping Dems. Still waiting for Republicans setting up actual Nazi regimes. Not sure if I want to be ironic or not. Part of the dilemma of the 1930s ... support Hitler or Stalin. Both were Progressives of their time.
QuoteFormer megachurch pastor and ex-evangelical Joshua Harris admitted in a recent interview that evangelical Christians supporting Donald Trump has dealt a huge blow to the credibility of religion. And he’s right on the money with that assessment. Trump has helped to further expose the hypocrisy of the Religious Right, and while many members of the movement can’t see it, those who could have become members are all too aware of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2Mf_QygXDA
QuoteFormer mega church pastor and author Joshua Harris recently did an interview with Axios on HBO, where he talked about the fact that evangelical support for Donald Trump has helped destroy the credibility of the evangelical movement here in the United States. We have said that repeatedly here on this program. Plenty of other folks have been saying it repeatedly, but here's the thing. This is a guy who came from inside that kind of world. He sees what's happening both inside and out, and even though he announced earlier this year that he is abandoned his faith, he still sees what has happened because evangelicals overwhelmingly support Donald Trump. I think the latest poll shows his approval rating among evangelicals is 77% I think his approval rating among just Republicans is slightly lower than 77% so evangelicals, they're the top. That's his biggest voting block. If you don't include the people who wear the white hoods and all that. But this is a big deal. And yes, Harris is absolutely right. Support for Trump has further degraded the credibility of the religious right. And here's the thing, those of us who've been following the religious right me for 15 years now, we knew they never had any credibility. I mean, anybody who's ever listened to Frank Shaffer or read one of his books understands that this group never had any credibility, but they do among their own followers. And you're not going to change their opinions of Donald Trump. You're not going to convince them that they're somehow bad Christians for supporting Donald Trump. But what you are going to do is give this movement, the evangelical movement, the religious right, the moral majority, whatever the hell you want to call them. you're going to put it in the heads of people who may be headed down that path, that these aren't real Christians, that this isn't the group for you, that this isn't where you want to be. If you actually want to follow the gospels, and that's what matters. We're not going to get people to drop out of the evangelical movement just because they support Trump. But you could easily convince other folks in this country that that's not where they want to go because they have no credibility. That's why stories like this are important. That's how you tackle these groups, whether it's the religious right, the NRA, or as I mentioned, the groups with the white hoods. It's hard to get in there and shake those members and make them realize that what they're doing is following a false God. But what you can do is make it to where anybody who's on the fence about whether or not that's for them is to let them know that this isn't what they think it is, and it's not going to go the way that they think. They're not gonna find salvation. They're not gonna find real friendship. They're going to find a bunch of phonies. They're going to find a bunch of frauds and find out that every one of them is really just a tool for corporations and people trying to make a quick buck just like Donald Trump himself.
The Evangelicals had some credibility? I never knew that!
Evangelicals were a growing force in 1986 ... you are only 33 years late. Rev Pat Robertson's embrace by the Republicans was a blackpill for me.
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The Evangelicals had some credibility? I never knew that!
Watching Evangelicals 30 years ago helped me see the futility of trying to believe in religious garbage, and eventually that led me away from the hypocrisy of religion and to atheism. No doubt there are some moral and honest religious types, but they are still delusional. However, the Evangelical movement should be held in moral contempt. It is evil, deceitful and awash in the very sin it condemns. It claims to be full of past sinners that drank, fornicated, cheated and lied. Judging by what they are now, they must have been unimaginably horrible, but of course God forgave them. Imagine that; "You have stolen from your neighbors, cheated on your wife and committed murder, but believe in Me, and you are forgiven. You can now go out and do it some more, and you will be forgiven again."
How convenient to create a god whose only demand is that you believe in him (which the knuckleheads all did anyway). A more realistic god would demand some kind of amends, but that would be way too much trouble. It's best to create a god with much lower standards whose demand might just as well be commanding you to breath air from time to time and you will be saved.
Quote from: SGOS on November 10, 2019, 08:49:46 AM
Watching Evangelicals 30 years ago helped me see the futility of trying to believe in religious garbage, and eventually that led me away from the hypocrisy of religion and to atheism. No doubt there are some moral and honest religious types, but they are still delusional. However, the Evangelical movement should be held in moral contempt. It is evil, deceitful and awash in the very sin it condemns. It claims to be full of past sinners that drank, fornicated, cheated and lied. Judging by what they are now, they must have been unimaginably horrible, but of course God forgave them. Imagine that; "You have stolen from your neighbors, cheated on your wife and committed murder, but believe in Me, and you are forgiven. You can now go out and do it some more, and you will be forgiven again."
How convenient to create a god whose only demand is that you believe in him (which the knuckleheads all did anyway). A more realistic god would demand some kind of amends, but that would be way too much trouble. It's best to create a god with much lower standards whose demand might just as well be commanding you to breath air from time to time and you will be saved.
In a nutshell--yep!
Evangelicals are champagne conservatives. The other side of champagne socialists. Bourgeoisie.
There have been real Christians, just not driving BMWs.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 10, 2019, 05:34:09 PM
Nice pun! :-P
Is that you, Prince Hamlet? Bound up in your own nut shell? Beware dueling with poison rapier wits.
I never understood what the poem Jabberwocky meant by the term "slithy toves." Now I think I understand. It's fun to watch them gyre and gimble in the wabe.
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Time to update!
Yeah, we need Lev and Igor on that chart! LOL
It's off to minimum security for Roger Stone and a few rounds of golf.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 15, 2019, 08:03:46 PM
Yeah, we need Lev and Igor on that chart! LOL
Please include chart of Obama administration, all of whom seem to have been cutting crooked deals with Putin and Ukraine.
Like Epstein's original sentence, it is luxury prison, unless you try to squeal. How will Obama admin folks survive, if they turn state's evidence? If Republican politics is the basis from criminal charges, so are Democrat politics.
Quote from: Baruch on November 16, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
Please include chart of Obama administration, all of whom seem to have been cutting crooked deals with Putin and Ukraine.
Like Epstein's original sentence, it is luxury prison, unless you try to squeal. How will Obama admin folks survive, if they turn state's evidence? If Republican politics is the basis from criminal charges, so are Democrat politics.
There's some dirt but not as much as the republican party your trying to defend.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 17, 2019, 06:02:36 AM
There's some dirt but not as much as the republican party your trying to defend.
Sorry, but not defending anyone. I consider all politicians to be criminals. I would abolish democracy and arrest all of them.
And it is OK if you support the Democrats ... or Republicans. Many people supported Bonnie and Clyde in the 30s (aka Hillary and Bill).
Maybe the Republicans learned from The Princess Bride what Wesley told Buttercup: "If you didn't say it, you didn't do it."
Here's the question I want the Repubs to answer: even if (for the sake of argument) the Bidens were up to something hinky in Ukraine, and even if (again for the sake of argument) those who are testifying are all "never trumpers", in what way does that refute the charges being testified to? The closest they've gotten to mounting anything resembling an actual defense against the charges is "Well, he didn't use the *exact* words quid pro quo, did he?" -- yes, and Henry II was just shooting the breeze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest%3F).
At this stage, Devin Nunes is a traitor to his oath as a Representative.
When you have a corrupt society, you will have a corrupt government to reflect that. With immoralism (not samr as atheism) ... there is nothing to punish anyone for. So if I were an immoralist, I would be happy if the committee members "Sumner" each other on live TV. This has been seen in some other parliaments. Regular violence in Congress would be more entertaining than the Dem Candidate debates.
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All politicians are masters of NewSpeak. Latin isn't English, so I declare a foul on Trump. Only Cicero can redefine Latin to his own advantage ;-)
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
aka Hunter Biden? His dad didn't abandon him. and has gotten him several well paid jobs he was unqualified for. Wish all drug addicts had a dad as good as Joe Biden.
TDS is like Israel/Palestine hostility. People get drugged up on their own outrage brain chemicals. Cuts out the drug dealer. That is why I am going cold turkey on Jan 1. No more outrage for me.
How will Trump act after he's been acquitted by the senate? He'll believe he can do absolutely anything he wants to do, without consequences. And he won't be wrong.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
How will Trump act after he's been acquitted by the senate? He'll believe he can do absolutely anything he wants to do, without consequences. And he won't be wrong.
What is even worse is that will assure he will be re-elected.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 13, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
How will Trump act after he's been acquitted by the senate? He'll believe he can do absolutely anything he wants to do, without consequences. And he won't be wrong.
Cia thumbs down, Cia thumbs up? We don't know. Already the fix may be in ... Senate Republicans are considering a short acquittal? When the obvious choice is to have a long hearing, dragging the Bidens and every other associate of the Obama administration thru the muckraking. The People mean even less in the US than they do in GB.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 13, 2019, 09:30:55 PM
What is even worse is that will assure he will be re-elected.
Let Hillary have a third shot ;-) Assange is in jail, so her crooked dealings are safe!
Absolutely no one:
Some Trump staffer:
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Actually, Trump as Thor, Thanos etc ... the God-Emperor meme ... Trump is no child of Anti-Fa .. like Greta.
Dem's scandal worse than Watergate ...
"It appears that the previous administration weaponized the FBI, shielded a favored candidate from criminal prosecution, abused the FISA court to spy on an opposition candidate, and deliberately worked to subvert the 2016 Presidential election." ... and not Russia, but Ukraine, GB, Italy and Australia were involved.
Small victory for Trump ... SCOTUS has agreed to review a lower court ruling ... "Did The Supreme Court Just Pull The Rug Out From Under Article Of Impeachment?" ... the proposed second article of impeachment ... obstruction ... is about the POTUS not being PM ... because separation of powers.
The POTUS doesn't work for Congress, any more than the SCOTUS does. So how much material or persons should the POTUS submit to calls for them by Congress? This has been fought by every President ... as defense of separation of powers. So it is reasonable that SCOTUS would get involved. The time it will take to rule on this, will cast a cloud, for that time, on the whole impeachment effort.
The first article ... abuse of power ... can be levied against every President that has a House in opposition. It has no fixed definition. In the British system "Parliament is supreme" ... not the monarchy, not the People.
Meanwhile, ends justify means. Grand jury files are always kept secret ... "House Democrats Demand Mueller's Secret Grand Jury Files For Impeachment" ... needless to say, there is no precedent for this demand.
Many a Congress has struggled with the POTUS over separation of powers though. Basically, the House wants to re-write the Mueller report to their liking.
Dear Republicans:
Please be advised that none of the phrases "IT'S A WITCH HUNT!", "YOU JUST HATE TRUMP!" and "YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDO THE ELECTION!" are in any way refutations of the charges being made. "IT'S NOT A CRIME!" must be followed by a "because..." based on actual law to be a refutation. Please state an actual case rather than whining.
And "YOU DON'T RESPECT THE 63 MILLION WHO VOTED FOR HIM!" -- as both Wyoming's Liz Cheney and Ohio's Jim Jordan have tried -- just shows that your party can't do math (we knew that from your budgets already, of course), because you certainly don't respect the 66 million who voted for his main opponent, and the other 7 million voters who chose "Not Him".
Signed,
The Reality-Based World
I've also heard "Oh yeah, well communism sucks!" as a refutation of "Trump sucks!". Gets a chuckle out of me every time. You know that old adage about playing a pigeon in chess? Well, the pigeon is an optimistic assessment. Merely not knowing the rules would be an improvement.
Can't wait to read the 6-page letter Trump just sent to Pelosi. It's bound to be entertaining!
How long will it be before Trump tries to outlaw the Democratic party? Can he do that with an executive order, or will it take more than that?
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 17, 2019, 08:19:35 PM
I've also heard "Oh yeah, well communism sucks!" as a refutation of "Trump sucks!". Gets a chuckle out of me every time. You know that old adage about playing a pigeon in chess? Well, the pigeon is an optimistic assessment. Merely not knowing the rules would be an improvement.
So? - Dick Cheney. If you don't have power, you are powerless. If the Dems are Betas ... and Trump is an Alpha, then good luck to them because they will need it. Who is the Dem Alpha? Biden? Cackle ... cackle.
No, it isn't a game. The Communists should be in death camps. They are only good for target practice. Do you think that Republicans merit that? And perhaps not all Dems are Communists. Tulsi Gabbard is no Communist. She is a liberal patriot. She understand that the DNC and the Clinton Political Machine is toxic. Just like Momentum inside the Labour party in GB.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 17, 2019, 08:20:13 PM
Can't wait to read the 6-page letter Trump just sent to Pelosi. It's bound to be entertaining!
Dems have a sick sense of humor. Republicans have no sense of humor. I have found the British bollocks entertaining, but the American bollocks not funny at all. We need a civil war, military dictatorship, genocide? Really? Is the cause of free love and free drugs and endless marches and riots, from the 60s, worth that much?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 17, 2019, 08:23:16 PM
How long will it be before Trump tries to outlaw the Democratic party? Can he do that with an executive order, or will it take more than that?
The Communist Party was illegal. It should still be. And all Americans, who fit the Communist label, in any party, should all be in FEMA camps. Most young people of the 60s in colleges, and their supporters, should have been put in FEMA camps by LBJ. We can learn a lot from the Uigher camps set up by the Chinese.
I do apologize for my DDS (Democrat Derangement Syndrom). Not all Democrats are Communists. But I have spent most of my adulthood, prepared, if necessary, to nuke Communists. This is a hard habit to quit. But politics I will quit, in two more weeks.
So, I guess political free speech isn't your bag, huh? Someone who disagrees with your politics is only fit to be executed?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2019, 01:33:13 PM
So, I guess political free speech isn't your bag, huh? Someone who disagrees with your politics is only fit to be executed?
Do you support Nazi speech, like on BitChute? I bet not. You'all just support Pravda (CNN etc). I am not sure I do support free speech, because I am not sure I support human or civil rights. Monkey see Monkey do.
I am non-violent myself. I supported the ability to kill all enemies foreign and domestic ... if it came down to that. But Communists and Nazis and other socialists ... tend to be authoritarian maniacs and genocidal murderers. Are maniacs and murders, oppressed minorities that need hate speech or other legal protection? In Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia they got support from the top down. Today, some people regard difference of opinion as violence if spoken or printed, thru an ever finer sieve. Just like Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia. The Left and Right hate free speech except their own. Are you neutral? If not, then you will be the target of whatever enemies you have, and they will do worse to you than block your free speech. That is how the Planet of the Apes works. And as experienced here, neutrality is the enemy of both extremes. The sides must be binary, and you must choose one of the two approved sides! Jawohl mein commandant! Cafeteria-style, nein!
Oh, almighty Bob. According to at least one Republimoron, the impeachment of Shit-For-Brains is just like the trial of Jay-zus (https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-50844709/trump-impeachment-compared-to-jesus-trial-during-debate).
We laughed at Trump for a while, but I suspect we won't be able to laugh at him for much longer.
It's official. Shit-for-Brains has been impeached on Article I -- abuse of power.
And Article II.
Quote from: trdsf on December 18, 2019, 08:54:23 PM
And Article II.
Pft. And California is still downing in shit and used hypodermics (sad to say).
I didn't think even with Pelosi, the Dems had enough balls to do this. Pleased to see that they do. But that is the Patriarchy for you.
We will have to see what the CIA does in the Senate.
Even my Dad, a Republican, hated that Nixon didn't get impeached. Politics today has him spinning in his grave. Each succeeding generation is more feral than the previous one.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2019, 08:25:58 PM
We laughed at Trump for a while, but I suspect we won't be able to laugh at him for much longer.
I don't believe you have ever laughed at Trump. Maybe Gary Johnson (my candidate). Too much TDS. Laughter here is like the clown character in Il Pagliacci.
All of the things happened was planned.
Things are progressing and what we are doing is just to comment to see which one of us will be right in the game of guess :D4
And all of our information comes from the monopol media. LOL
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on December 18, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
All of the things happened was planned.
Things are progressing and what we are doing is just to comment to see which one of us will be right in the game of guess :D4
And all of our information comes from the monopol media. LOL
Yes, like live group fan fiction, in Pokemon. Adam Schift Squirdle, I choose you! Or maybe Dems are like Team Rocket ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 18, 2019, 08:25:58 PM
We laughed at Trump for a while, but I suspect we won't be able to laugh at him for much longer.
I admire your optimism but I completely disagree with it.
What a cunt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAyExa19xvA
Why would a Republican, approve of a Democrat? Politeness? There is no dignity in politics. Hence my abandonment of it.
"Pelosi's threat to stall Senate impeachment trial" ... there is no Senate unless it is Dem controlled ;-) And the Dem run investigation has to continue thru November 2020;-))
The Dems were traitors in 1861. The Dems were traitors in 1961. The Dems are traitors today. Jefferson Davis Pelosi should be imprisoned for treason. Abraham Lincoln Trump should march General Sherman thru every Dem metro. Pelosi can make a dress out of her drapes from Tara plantation house.
I mean, apart from him being a grimmey douchebag who might have lifted a woman's skirt, what really has he done that's any worst then any other president before him?
All presidents have skeletons in their back yard, just if they're smart enough not to get caught
If it's just a bunch of conservative stuff people got offended by, that's not really cause to impeach someone.
If he's embezzled or arranged an assassination that's something else, but just based on his character that's not something you can bring down on him.
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
I mean, apart from him being a grimmey douchebag who might have lifted a woman's skirt, what really has he done that's any worst then any other president before him?
All presidents have skeletons in their back yard, just if they're smart enough not to get caught
If it's just a bunch of conservative stuff people got offended by, that's not really cause to impeach someone.
If he's embezzled or arranged an assassination that's something else, but just based on his character that's not something you can bring down on him.
America is Evil Inc as Corbyn claimed. Bill Clinton ... genocide during embargo of Iraq. George W Bush ... genocide in Iraq for fake search for non-existent weapons. Barak Obama ... fascist coup in Ukraine, Libya, Egypt ... and terrorism support against Syria. Trump has tried to ameliorate this war of Nazi-Commie America against the human race ... please see Yemen. Trump is a kinder gentler Hitler. But Obama, George W and Bill were the meaner rougher Hitler.
If there were justice (SJW) then the US would be terminated as a country, and the neo-Con/neo-Lib Establishment knows it.
"Former NSA Tech Chief Says Mueller Report Was Based On CIA-Fabricated "Evidence"" ... believe my "facts" and deny your lying eyes. The nation of the Epstein suicide is shameless. Just as it was when this Mossad agent of pedophilia was allowed to operate on US territory (bi-partisan).
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
I mean, apart from him being a grimmey douchebag who might have lifted a woman's skirt, what really has he done that's any worst then any other president before him?
All presidents have skeletons in their back yard, just if they're smart enough not to get caught
If it's just a bunch of conservative stuff people got offended by, that's not really cause to impeach someone.
If he's embezzled or arranged an assassination that's something else, but just based on his character that's not something you can bring down on him.
Telling his lackies to not appear before congress when subpoenaed for one.
Calling on a hostile foreign nation to investigate political opposition for seconds. Then doing the same with an ally nation.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 18, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
I admire your optimism but I completely disagree with it.
Optimism? Me!? LOL Hardly. I expect the worst outcome possible, because I'm a pessimist by nature. I suspect that, before Trump is finished, America will no longer be a republic, under the current constitution, or a democracy. I don't know what it will become, but it won't be good.
(https://i.redd.it/k0g9c37x1l541.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yg-OoPyD-g&app=desktop&persist_app=1
Running the risk of making him more popular
You mean infamous
I doubt he'd care either way.
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 05:44:31 PM
I doubt he'd care either way.
Because hes being backed by idiots and corrupted politicians
I see that Putin is defending Trump and mocking the Democratic party. For some reason that doesn't surprise me a bit.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2019, 01:24:33 PM
Optimism? Me!? LOL Hardly. I expect the worst outcome possible, because I'm a pessimist by nature. I suspect that, before Trump is finished, America will no longer be a republic, under the current constitution, or a democracy. I don't know what it will become, but it won't be good.
This impeachment hearing has definitely given me some uncomfortable vibes.
Obviously party members need to show a certain degree of loyalty to the party; that is to be expected, even if it's not how a democracy should ideally be run. The problem is that the Republican party are literally comparing him with Jesus, saying that anyone who even investigates potential misdemeanors are conducting a witch hunt in the vein that saw 200 people accused and 20 executed, they are holding a "moment of silence" for their voters, who talk about how this entire process was "a day that will live in infamy" like Pearl Harbour. The traitor who just switched to the Republican party, van Drew, literally told Trump that he has his "undying loyalty".
Even if it's all just rhetoric, it is disturbing to hear the counterweight of the Executive branch profess that they pledge their loyalty to the office of the president and the party he belongs to. But the problem is it isn't even rhetoric; their actions not just in this vote but over the last 10, 20, 30 years have shown that the Republican party truly does put their own party before anything else; the people and their constituents, the Constitution and the law... they all come second to party line. And not only that but they have used particularly dangerous and disingenuous tactics to rig the third counterweight, the Supreme Court, to their favour for more than a generation as well.
Obviously,
OBVIOUSLY (before someone says it) Democrats do this to an extent to, but... I'm sorry, the Democrats are spineless fucks. They turn on their own the millisecond there is controversy around them. They will never support a fellow Democrat, no matter how right they might be, if they think it hurts the image of the party.
I don't think it's too late for things to be fixed, but I do think a massive shift in American culture and government is going to be required if democracy will continue to exist in this country, and honestly I see myself living longer than it does if we don't get that shift. It's not just corruption that is killing our democracy... it is also an entire party who have dedicated themselves for several generations who put the good of their party before the good of their people. And if someone has even the most elementary of knowledge about human history over even the last 50 years they should realise how insanely dangerous that is.
If America falls, we will bring the world down with us.
All those voters who voted for van Drew thought they'd have a democrat representing them, but now he's a Republican. How does that work?
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
All those voters who voted for van Drew thought they'd have a democrat representing them, but now he's a Republican. How does that work?
His approval amongst Democratic voters was already in the mid-20% range iirc, so I think they might be glad he is leaving.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 19, 2019, 11:52:24 AM
Telling his lackies to not appear before congress when subpoenaed for one.
Calling on a hostile foreign nation to investigate political opposition for seconds. Then doing the same with an ally nation.
Happened all the time in various departments ... when Rs controlled the House 2017-2019. Happened all the time with every previous President (separation of powers) going back to Jackson ... ""John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." ... in regards to the power of SCOTUS.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege
Ukraine isn't an ally? It is a fascist state created by Nato/Obama. A war crime. He didn't call on Russia to investigate the Bidens. No nation should get US aid, if they can't stop corruption. On that basis we can terminate all foreign aid ;-)) I trust Putin over the US government, including Trump ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2019, 01:24:33 PM
Optimism? Me!? LOL Hardly. I expect the worst outcome possible, because I'm a pessimist by nature. I suspect that, before Trump is finished, America will no longer be a republic, under the current constitution, or a democracy. I don't know what it will become, but it won't be good.
I certainly hope you are right. I hope all Democrats are part of the Chinese Empire they are trying to assist. Will look so good being Green on bicycles and Mao jackets. You folks will love working at Foxconn now that they put in the suicide prevention nets.
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 01:47:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yg-OoPyD-g&app=desktop&persist_app=1
Running the risk of making him more popular
Not the point. Dems too depressed to get an orgasm for 3 years now. This "Stalin show trial" made them all "squee".
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 19, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
You mean infamous
"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde
Trump in 2016 mastered this. Dems still think that he cares that he is hated by people who wouldn't vote for him anyway.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 19, 2019, 05:53:05 PM
Because hes being backed by idiots and corrupted politicians
Started with Pericles. Just ask the Spartans.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
All those voters who voted for van Drew thought they'd have a democrat representing them, but now he's a Republican. How does that work?
Same as in GB. They don't have a mandatory snap election to re-assert People sovereignty if an MP defects between elections.
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
I mean, apart from him being a grimmey douchebag who might have lifted a woman's skirt, what really has he done that's any worst then any other president before him?
All presidents have skeletons in their back yard, just if they're smart enough not to get caught
If it's just a bunch of conservative stuff people got offended by, that's not really cause to impeach someone.
If he's embezzled or arranged an assassination that's something else, but just based on his character that's not something you can bring down on him.
Actually, you can impeach a president on any charge you can get a majority to vote for -- the Constitution never defines "high crimes and misdemeanors", and the Framers expected impeachment to be a political process more than a legal one.
That said, you have two charges here: Article I, abuse of power, to wit: using the powers of his office to extort an investigation of a political opponent out of a foreign country by withholding approved aid; and Article II, obstruction of Congress, to wit: ordering Executive Branch officials to ignore lawful summonses and subpoenas to appear before Congressional committees. He's admitted to the former and there's no question that he did the latter; whether or not one thinks they warrant removal from office is separate from whether they are legitimate bases for impeachment. As it happens, both charges have historical precedent -- two of the articles of impeachment reported to the House by the Judiciary Committee against Richard Nixon were abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Nixon short-circuited the process by resigning before he could be shoved out.
Of course, he won't be convicted by the Senate, absent a turnaround of miraculous proportions. The senators to watch on the Republican side are Collins of Maine, McSally of Arizona, Gardner of Colorado, Murkowski of Alaska, and to a lesser extent Romney of Utah. On the D side, mainly watch Jones of Alabama, who's in a tough re-election race in one of the reddest of red states.
Christianity Today, a magazine founded by Billy Graham to push evangelical Christianity, has published an editorial in
support of the Orange Disaster Area's impeachment
and removal from office (https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html):
QuoteBut the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
The reason many are not shocked about this is that this president has dumbed down the idea of morality in his administration. He has hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He himself has admitted to immoral actions in business and his relationship with women, about which he remains proud. His Twitter feed aloneâ€"with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slandersâ€"is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
It remains to be seen how much influence this will have, but to any other Republican, this would be damn near fatal, and if the "moral majority" voters get it into their heads that they should just stay home in November... well.
Trump isn't a Christian, let alone an Evangelical. None of our modern Presidents are. There are Christians under your bed, ready to jump out and scare you!
Let Pelosi keep her impeachment in the House and never submit it to the Senate. Coward after all.
At least not all of America's Christians are pro-Trump:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
At least not all of America's Christians are pro-Trump:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html
True. But they wouldn't support Bill or Hillary Clinton.
At least not all Republicans are pro-Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html
https://lincolnproject.us/
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2019, 02:59:52 PM
At least not all Republicans are pro-Trump:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html
https://lincolnproject.us/
You forgot CIA, FBI ... and other Deep State organizations that have made voting irrelevant since 1963.
"Graham Slams 'Incredibly Dangerous' Pelosi For Dictating Impeachment Terms" ... Pelosi should go to a Halloween outlet store, off season, and get a S American Military Dictator costume cheap.
Quote from: Baruch on December 20, 2019, 03:53:05 PM
"Graham Slams 'Incredibly Dangerous' Pelosi For Dictating Impeachment Terms" ... Pelosi should go to a Halloween outlet store, off season, and get a S American Military Dictator costume cheap.
Why don't you read actual news instead of the rigidly shitty RED news. I mean seriously.
Quote from: Munch on December 19, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
If it's just a bunch of conservative stuff people got offended by, that's not really cause to impeach someone.
I agree. You don't impeach because you don't like him. But that's not really what this is about, and I think you probably know that. You followed the news, and you know what the charges were. None of the charges against him were "because he's a douche," or "because he's a conservative." You're adding that on your own.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 21, 2019, 12:43:36 AM
Why don't you read actual news instead of the rigidly shitty RED news. I mean seriously.
There is no actual news (truth). There never has been. The whole point of news is to sell advertisements. If it helps to sell detergent, the Media will promote any narrative, including "Bat Boy marries Pelosi". Secondarily, news lets the Deep State control the "narrative".
Or do you mean, why don't I react here to Republican/Tory news? Those shits?
Quote from: SGOS on December 21, 2019, 07:29:32 AM
I agree. You don't impeach because you don't like him. But that's not really what this is about, and I think you probably know that. You followed the news, and you know what the charges were. None of the charges against him were "because he's a douche," or "because he's a conservative." You're adding that on your own.
Dem charges are the weakest yet. I have to admit that the charge against Bill Clinton was weak (lie while under oath). Hence Bill Clinton was exonerated. I also think that the impeachment against Andrew Johnson was weak, it was superficially more like the current situation, Congress wanted to be "like Parliament and keep the gonads of the PM in their grip" as Parliament did this year. But only if Dems or Labour hold the whip hand. Nixon was never impeached. He shouldn't have resigned, he should have coup-de-etat against the Dem Congress.
"A Plot To Make Pelosi President? Now Adam Schiff Wants To Go After VP Mike Pence..." ... been talked about, here, for months. Please stop, y'all are getting me blue balled over the coming military dictatorship which will end democracy forever ;-)
Wished Corbyn had won the British election, so that the Queen would have to push a military coup to clear out the communists, terrorists and rapists ;-) Same reason I hope that Hillary runs again and wins. So that the US can be destroyed in the resulting civil war (already starting up in Virginia). Chiang Kai Shek was right, the Communists are cancer. More important to kill them, rather than even the invading Japanese. Politics is inherently toxic. Power and money involved. Corruption within corruption.
One former Republican senator has said that if the impeachment trial were a secret ballot in the Senate rather than a roll call vote, maybe 35 Republican senators would vote to convict (https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/09/27/impeachment-inquiry-gop-jeff-flake). But since they have to go on the record, they're all too scared of the Infant-In-Chief.
I long for a latter-day Barry Goldwater, who told Nixon just before the resignation, "You have maybe 15 votes in the Senate and I'm not one of them."
Quote from: trdsf on December 21, 2019, 12:53:41 PM
One former Republican senator has said that if the impeachment trial were a secret ballot in the Senate rather than a roll call vote, maybe 35 Republican senators would vote to convict (https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/09/27/impeachment-inquiry-gop-jeff-flake). But since they have to go on the record, they're all too scared of the Infant-In-Chief.
I long for a latter-day Barry Goldwater, who told Nixon just before the resignation, "You have maybe 15 votes in the Senate and I'm not one of them."
The fact that in legislature secret ballot, or ballot by shouting is even allowed, is anti-democratic. Every vote should be recorded-by-representative.
So you are supporting the Republican Never-Trumpers like John Bolton and the other neo-Cons?
'USMCA PASSED BY HOUSE, DELAYED BY SENATE DUE TO IMPEACHMENT" ... quid pro quo. Happens all the time in politics. It isn't impeachable.
I went to court once to fight a traffic ticket. I know, it is a hopeless endeavor, but I do it anyway. This one time I got lucky, the officer failed to show. The case was dismissed for failure to prosecute.
If Pelosi really does withhold the impeachment from the Senate, could this be the result?
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 21, 2019, 11:48:21 PM
I went to court once to fight a traffic ticket. I know, it is a hopeless endeavor, but I do it anyway. This one time I got lucky, the officer failed to show. The case was dismissed for failure to prosecute.
If Pelosi really does withhold the impeachment from the Senate, could this be the result?
All I can see is that it gives us something to talk about. Impeachments are just political show anyway. In my case, it was informative, because I didn't know Trump tried to force the Ukraine to investigate Biden until the Dems brought this to light, although it doesn't change any pointless opinion I would have on he matter. And not many others will change their opinion either.
Quote from: SGOS on December 22, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
All I can see is that it gives us something to talk about. Impeachments are just political show anyway. In my case, it was informative, because I didn't know Trump tried to force the Ukraine to investigate Biden until the Dems brought this to light, although it doesn't change any pointless opinion I would have on he matter. And not many others will change their opinion either.
Ukraine is a very corrupt oligarchical fascist state. Created by Obama/Biden/Clinton. They have "fake" corruption investigations in every country (one oligarchy faction against another, same as the impeachment here), all the time, including the US. Wherever wealth or power are free for the taking. Biden brought his own corruption to light, when he admitted on camera, and bragged, that he got a quid pro quo to protect his own son from previous Ukrainian investigators. Is there such a thing as immorality or illegality? If not, then neither Biden nor Trump did anything wrong. No one has.
Or are Dems just jealous they didn't get the $50K per month job in a country where they don't know the language or know the industry. And the same Biden family went on to grift more recently from the Chinese. And the Pelosi family, Schiff family and Romney family also grifted in the Ukraine. Grifting US taxpayer money, perviously gifted to a fascist government.
(https://i.imgur.com/MuvIQMn.jpg)
Amendment 25.
Quote“I never understood wind,†Trump said,
This isn't really rocket science, so I'm guessing he means he doesn't understand the need for wind power.
Quote“I know windmills very much, I have studied it better than anybody."
Better than anybody? Holy shit! That sounds like an exaggeration, or more likely from a guy who actually knows hardly anything.
QuoteI know it is very expensive.
Well lands sakes. He obviously does know a lot. It makes me wonder why they even bother to build them.
QuoteThey are made in China and Germany mostly,
Communists and Nazis! I'm sticking with fossil fuels.
Quote... tremendous fumes and gases are spewing into the atmosphere. You know we have a world, right?â€
I looked up where this came from. Apparently, he's talking about how environmentally dangerous wind farms are, spewing fumes and gasses into the atmosphere. This is good for us to know. Wind farms are worse than burning fossil fuels. They will probably cause global warming. Fossil fuels are the only way to prevent global warming (which will never happen anyway, because it's just a liberal conspiracy to wreck our economy and pollute the atmosphere).
QuoteI looked up where this came from. Apparently, he's talking about how environmentally dangerous wind farms are, spewing fumes and gasses into the atmosphere.
I want to believe he meant the production of them, but then I remember he has stated multiple times that wind turbines (an entirely different thing than windmills that he calls them...) cause cancer, and if iirc he stated because of the vibrations they cause.
Wind turbines don't grow on trees. They have to be manufactured. It takes polluting industry to generate and maintain them. Same as solar thermal or solar electric panels. There are practical problems integrating these technologies into the existing electric grid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5cm7HOAqZY
I have been in favor of wind and solar power since before 1980. I originally wanted to work in that sector. But that was before Reagan who ended the Carter subsidies.
The Chinese have many financial and industrial tentacles, thanks to WalMart and their shoppers ;-) The energy sector is no different. China itself wants to lead, not follow the US. Anyone remember Solyndra and Obama's total defeat by the Chinese on solar electric panels? And of course, China and India are immune from demands that they stop burning carbon.
Green Party ignorance and deliberate blindness … doesn't become the smart people posting here.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2019, 10:27:54 AM
Wind turbines don't grow on trees. They have to be manufactured. It takes polluting industry to generate and maintain them. Same as solar thermal or solar electric panels.
No kidding, Sherlock. And just as obvious is the fact that these technologies are FAR less polluting that the coal plants they're designed to replace.
QuoteI have been in favor of wind and solar power since before 1980.
And yet, whenever the topic of renewables comes up, you claim that it'll never be feasible - even while these technologies are feasibly working in many countries. Clearly, you're lying in at least one instance.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/top-trump-adviser-its-always-been-republicans-suppressing-votes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIF1N3y2-yU
Republicans know they can't win without cheating, and they've gotten really good at it.
US Held Off on Tariffs while Argentina Reviewed Trump Trademarks (https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-argentina-trademarks/)
What a strange coincidence.
He'll get away with all of that, and more.
(https://i.redd.it/aa3xevpgnz641.jpg)
“I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I’m not happy if I’m not winning. I’m a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win.â€
Donald J. Trump, in an interview with Chris Cuomo in 2015
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 24, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
No kidding, Sherlock. And just as obvious is the fact that these technologies are FAR less polluting that the coal plants they're designed to replace.
And yet, whenever the topic of renewables comes up, you claim that it'll never be feasible - even while these technologies are feasibly working in many countries. Clearly, you're lying in at least one instance.
Energy density and energy distribution/stability problems are real. It isn't a one for one replacement, anymore than coal replacing sailing ships was. So it is always is feasible, the problem is, will you accept the brownouts, a less energy consuming house? You can go commune right now by using a bicycle instead of your car. But are you willing to do that? Technology/science isn't magic, it involves tradeoffs, and is never ever free, no matter how much Bernie may promise that.
I wanted a fully renewable energy economy circa 1980. President Reagan stopped that. And American middle class head up ass values. I knew a house, in snowy Colorado, which could be heated for an entire winter, with $15 worth of kerosene. But the house is post-modern adobe, and has no vaulted ceilings.
Yep you have have utopia now in sub-Saharan Africa. Wonder why they are all trying to leave for England?
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 24, 2019, 06:56:48 PM
US Held Off on Tariffs while Argentina Reviewed Trump Trademarks (https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-argentina-trademarks/)
What a strange coincidence.
That is called diplomacy. No problem unless you are Argentinian.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 26, 2019, 01:45:52 PM
He'll get away with all of that, and more.
George Washington, first President to tell Congress to F itself. Go deplatform that traitor now!
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 27, 2019, 06:10:14 PM
“I am the most fabulous whiner. I do whine because I want to win. And I’m not happy if I’m not winning. I’m a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win.â€
Donald J. Trump, in an interview with Chris Cuomo in 2015
Salts his crackers with the dried tears of liberals ;=)
Funny … how G-d kills all Her children without exception. Post-partum psychosis. It is better to be a monkey than a child of G-d.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/this-psychological-analysis-of-trump-supporters-has-exposed-5-alarming-traits-about-them/
1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome
2. Social dominance orientation
3. Prejudice
4. Intergroup contact
5. Relative deprivation
https://jspp.psychopen.eu/article/view/750
Also, I've read that they have over-active amygdalas, so they're very susceptible to fear-mongering:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
Also, they're just fucking stupid. The Republicans know how to manipulate the most stupid people into voting against their (and everyone's) best interests.
Exactly ... but Man will not deplatform G-d, G-d will deplatform Man. Canaanites aka Gentiles will be removed from the Land, everywhere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qco09VrAMmo
It seems to me that America could do better. If not, America doesn't deserve to exist as a country.
Your country was founded when groups of non-natives invaded it and killed the native people there. I doubt you really have much to worry about just because of one easily parodied president today.
I don't have a thing to worry about, since I expect to be dead before things get too much out of hand.
Quote from: Munch on December 30, 2019, 05:36:28 PM
Your country was founded when groups of non-natives invaded it and killed the native people there. I doubt you really have much to worry about just because of one easily parodied president today.
1. Agriculturalists invaded Britain from the Balkans, and cave women who married them had children who didn't starve to death as much.
2. Indo-Europeans invaded Britain from Central Europe, with cows and horses and wagons. The agricultural women who married them had children who didn't starve to death as much (as long as they weren't lactose intolerant).
3. Romans invaded Britain from Gaul, with better organization (empire not tribe). A temporary improvement since Britain was a net cost.
4. Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain from Scandinavia, with a better local elite economy of pillage, compared to the local dynasts.
5. Vikings repeated the Anglo-Saxon strategy, again from Scandinavia, with an even better elite economy of pillage and export of slaves to the east, compared to an overly provincial political economy.
6. Normans, half French/half Viking, invaded Britain from France, with better organization (feudalism and castles).
This is how things happen. The anti-colonialism is just Marxist, as is anti-racism and anti-male-ism. People have always been the way they are, but we are better at being idealistically head-up-ass.
And I am here, because of European ancestors, half of them British/Irish, who did the same thing their ancestors did. The problem for the American Indians is they were in a weaker position when John Smith arrived, than when Leif Ericsson arrived 600 years before. That is how the cards come out. You don't choose your hand, you accept a random hand, and do the best you can.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 30, 2019, 05:47:58 PM
I don't have a thing to worry about, since I expect to be dead before things get too much out of hand.
Too late. Christopher Columbus arrived over 500 years ago, you lover of Rousseau and other French tarts.
At least one Republican senator is not happy with the way Mitch McConnell is trying to stage-manage the impeachment trial (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50913932), since, yaknow, the Constitutional mandate is for the Senate to be a jury, not the White House's defense team.
Quote from: Munch on December 30, 2019, 05:36:28 PM
Your country was founded when groups of non-natives invaded it and killed the native people there. I doubt you really have much to worry about just because of one easily parodied president today.
Which the British had a huge hand in doing so. The same Brits who are descended from a mixing pot of people who came and raped, pillage and murder the natives there. The same Brits who keep worshiping a wealthy family of once a bunch of holy zealots now mellowed to a parody of reality TV but wealthy family. The same Brits who now laugh at America, but are so arrogant to pretend they don't have problems in their leadership of their own.
Quote from: trdsf on December 31, 2019, 01:10:54 AM
At least one Republican senator is not happy with the way Mitch McConnell is trying to stage-manage the impeachment trial (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50913932), since, yaknow, the Constitutional mandate is for the Senate to be a jury, not the White House's defense team.
Yes, ban all defense teams. Turn every court into a Star Chamber to prosecute for disloyalty and heresy. If they just do same as the Clinton trial, then Trump will survive by one vote. And the Dems can burn in their own acidic juices. This whole thing was just Clinton revenge. Due to their enormous White privilege and narcissism.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 31, 2019, 01:53:28 AM
Which the British had a huge hand in doing so. The same Brits who are descended from a mixing pot of people who came and raped, pillage and murder the natives there. The same Brits who keep worshiping a wealthy family of once a bunch of holy zealots now mellowed to a parody of reality TV but wealthy family. The same Brits who now laugh at America, but are so arrogant to pretend they don't have problems in their leadership of their own.
Only Americans are evil. Kill them and it is an EU socialist utopia (US emboldened Brexit).
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on December 31, 2019, 01:53:28 AM
Which the British had a huge hand in doing so. The same Brits who are descended from a mixing pot of people who came and raped, pillage and murder the natives there. The same Brits who keep worshiping a wealthy family of once a bunch of holy zealots now mellowed to a parody of reality TV but wealthy family. The same Brits who now laugh at America, but are so arrogant to pretend they don't have problems in their leadership of their own.
calm down me lad, I was being tongue in cheek. I don't hold penitence over people for what their ancestors did generations ago. Thats for the social progressives to do to any white westerner.. even when they are one themselves..
If you thought Trump is bad, wait until you see all the Obama scandals!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MWxq80oze0
It's a good thing Obama didn't curtsy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmO50Nf7WfY
It's starting to look like the dog is about to get wagged.
I guess the Republicans decided that wagging their tongues wasn't doing enough to quell the resistance.
The Christian world is hoping and praying for Armageddon, because they believe and have been told that their Jesus will only come back when things get horribly bad. I think Muslims have a similar prophecy about their 12th Imam.
American "leadership" believes we can stomp all over the world, killing people willy-nilly, and then the people of the world will love us - and if they don't we'll continue stomping and killing.
Did Eric Trump know ahead of time that America was "bout to open a big ol' can of whoop ass"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQqDEq9tNc
Maybe they'll call the coming war "Operation Iran Liberation." O.I.L., for short.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 03, 2020, 02:38:24 PM
It's starting to look like the dog is about to get wagged.
(https://preview.redd.it/mhaaoiv79l841.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f5d32ef34fb047295c3752d05d7aeaf3c1fbcbe0)
He must be a prophet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQl3QPuOfr8
Hopefully both sides will back down.
Now the Iranian killed was important but not their top leader. In a gesture of good will, I offer we trade them John Bolton.
How long before Iranian Americans are rounded up and put into "detention"?
Normally truth is the first casualty of war, but truth died a long time ago.
Making America safe, one or two (or maybe three) wars at a time.
Trump is trying to use a weapon of mass distraction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNP2L0JrSv8
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 04, 2020, 01:50:34 PM
Hopefully both sides will back down.
Now the Iranian killed was important but not their top leader. In a gesture of good will, I offer we trade them John Bolton.
I'll see your John Bolton and raise you one Jeremy Corbyn, for ritual sacrifice
Bolton is nowhere near on a par with Soleimani.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
Bolton is nowhere near on a par with Soleimani.
Bolton is still alive.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
Normally truth is the first casualty of war, but truth died a long time ago.
It never existed. Truth has always been false news.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2020, 02:51:26 PM
Making America safe, one or two (or maybe three) wars at a time.
We are currently in 7.
"It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." Donald Rumsfeld
Believe the lies again, if you want to, but I don't believe the lies this time.
War is still a racket - I think the weapons manufacturers make most of their money during wartime.
Our longest war is winding down, so the weapons manufacturers need another one so they can keep making more and more - and more - money.
I bet Trump's fan club is getting all worked up and pumped up with "patriotic" fury. Let them join the military and go fight Trump's folly.
We're about to fight a proxy war against Iran - for Putin.
Quote from: Donald TrumpLet me tell you, the one that matters is me, I'm the only one that matters, because when it comes to it, that's what the policy is going to be. You've seen that, you've seen it strongly.
FOX News interview, 2017
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 06, 2020, 01:49:07 PM
War is still a racket - I think the weapons manufacturers make most of their money during wartime.
Rule of acquisition #34: war is good for business
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 06, 2020, 03:55:35 PM
We're about to fight a proxy war against Iran - for Putin.
Russia and China are allies to Iran. Are you in the Politburo secret archives?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 06, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Rule of acquisition #34: war is good for business
Correct. Otherwise prostitution (Mossad), drugs (CIA), gambling (Wall Street) would all have to be increased. The government is The Mob. And you are the soldiers. Capiche?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 06, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Rule of acquisition #34: war is good for business
I wonder when America will have a inland war. Probably put things in perspective.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 06, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
I wonder when America will have a inland war. Probably put things in perspective.
We did have the Civil War.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 06, 2020, 10:43:35 PM
I wonder when America will have a inland war. Probably put things in perspective.
Been fictionalized several times since the 70s. Leftists want the Red Dawn of course (1984). Weaponized angsty teens save the day eventually.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 06, 2020, 10:48:44 PM
We did have the Civil War.
Never finished. Dems still alive ;-)
“What’s the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do. I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. It’s â€" it was like â€" we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.†â€" Mike Pompeo,Texas A&M University (April 15, 2019)
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2020, 02:20:48 PM
How long before Iranian Americans are rounded up and put into "detention"?
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-06/la-na-iranians-questioned-canada-border
here's an article by Maj. Danny Sjursen, who is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trumps-illegal-impeachable-act-of-war/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFtKb3W-9H4
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
“What’s the cadet motto at West Point? You will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do. I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. It’s â€" it was like â€" we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment.†â€" Mike Pompeo,Texas A&M University (April 15, 2019)
Yes. You think spies should be nice people ... America is a Candyland game to liberals.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2020, 05:54:47 PM
here's an article by Maj. Danny Sjursen, who is a retired U.S. Army officer and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan:
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trumps-illegal-impeachable-act-of-war/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFtKb3W-9H4
Freedom of speech = military personnel can criticize the Commander in Chief, while not in official duty, or when out of the military. Otherwise UCMJ kicks in hard. I can't wait for Election 2020 ... in your hands, OK Millennial. Plan on getting plenty of sleep.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 06, 2020, 10:48:44 PM
We did have the Civil War.
We obviously need one now because being a war crazed country we are not making friends and only exist to make rich richer
"I can’t really say that anything he says is true, but I trust him."
Valarie Wunder, 34, a home health aide from Worland, Wyo.
This is what we're up against. How do you reason with people like that?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2020, 06:01:53 PM
"I can’t really say that anything he says is true, but I trust him."
Valarie Wunder, 34, a home health aide from Worland, Wyo.
This is what we're up against. How do you reason with people like that?
You don't, you go after the people who are not willfully stupid and outvote the fuck out of them.
Yeah, except that the Republicans keep dumping people from the voting rolls.
Meanwhile, after the Dumpster's team held a briefing to try to justify the Soleimani attack, they immediately lost two GOP senators (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51053200) -- Lee of Utah and Paul of Kentucky. Any two of Romney, McSally, Murkowski and Collins will do to pass the war powers limitations, now that it's cleared the House.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2020, 06:39:29 PM
Yeah, except that the Republicans keep dumping people from the voting rolls.
Which is why they need to be voted out at every level of government, not just the federal level. Their built-in advantage in the House and decade-long assault on voters did them no good in 2018.
Don't listen to what those Republicans are saying, look to see what they do in the coming weeks.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2020, 06:50:26 PM
Don't listen to what those Republicans are saying, look to see what the do in the coming weeks.
Global Thermonuclear War ...
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 09, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
We obviously need one now because being a war crazed country we are not making friends and only exist to make rich richer
I can see you now, like Cavebear, marching into the South like John Brown, going Django on all the evil White folk.
Virginia counties are militarizing independently of State government. The governor (which in today's world doesn't control a militia (National Guard now is under DoD) is trying to create Einstazgruppen to carry out his infallible will.
All of this is very bad. The Dems want the Death of America, and won't stop until they are part of the Chinese/UN hive. You will never see them going to Hong Kong to defend democracy. They want race war, like that washed up football player.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2020, 06:39:29 PM
Yeah, except that the Republicans keep dumping people from the voting rolls.
Keep the Mexicans, dump the Anglos ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2020, 08:31:57 PM
Global Thermonuclear War ...
Yeah, that's exactly what the Christians are hoping and praying for, so their Jesus will finally return.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2020, 08:33:36 PM
Yeah, that's exactly what the Christians are hoping and praying for, so their Jesus will finally return.
Jesus isn't American, isn't White, isn't Christian. They are in for a surprise if that happened.
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2020, 08:37:41 PM
Jesus isn't American, isn't White, isn't Christian. They are in for a surprise if that happened.
when the radiation sets in and makes them into deformed mutants foaming at the mouths, anything will look like jesus to them, even the irradiated bush next door.
Quote from: Munch on January 09, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
when the radiation sets in and makes them into deformed mutants foaming at the mouths, anything will look like jesus to them, even the irradiated bush next door.
I think free LSD would be better. Dems would think Hillary is President, and Corbyn is PM. See, I am not against drugs, just the abuse thereof.
It is incomprehensible to think what an actual war within Virginia will be like with DC/Pentagon on the edge of that territory and Norfolk Naval Yard etc. The state governments can be disbanded as necessary by the Feds. Their sovereignty was fatally compromised by Lincoln. California is already threatened if they don't clean up their homeless problem. In GB, London is responsible for every trash bin on the island (in spite of your recent innovation of councils). We Americans delegate (with proviso) to the state, county and city. I can't wait for Democrats to claim "States Rights" in defense of their twisted liberalism. Dems are always Dems. Originally New England wanted to secede ... not South Carolina. That wasn't good enough for the insufferable puritanical virtue signalers of Boston.
Colonel Kurz in Apocalypse Now was a liberal in psychotic breakdown. He helped immunize Vietnamese peasants. The VC cut off the arms of the children who showed they were vaccinated. He went nuts, because he couldn't comprehend that evil was even possible. The VC were political anti-vaxxers.
Trump instigated armed conflict with Iran to shore up neocon support (https://theweek.com/speedreads/888686/trump-reportedly-admitted-impeachment-played-big-role-soleimani-decision)
Well, surprise, surprise.
Hooda thunkit?
So, the only way Iran will get nuclear weapons is for the U.S.A. to send them from our silos?
How do we know that Trump didn't buy stock in "defense" contractors, then threaten war so the stock goes up, then sells the stock while the price is high, then de-escalates? The ultimate insider trading.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Trump instigated armed conflict with Iran to shore up neocon support (https://theweek.com/speedreads/888686/trump-reportedly-admitted-impeachment-played-big-role-soleimani-decision)
If he doesn't he gets assassinated. If he does, the Dems might have a successful impeachment. Being President is not a job to be desired.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
So, the only way Iran will get nuclear weapons is for the U.S.A. to send them from our silos?
Pakistan will help.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
How do we know that Trump didn't buy stock in "defense" contractors, then threaten war so the stock goes up, then sells the stock while the price is high, then de-escalates? The ultimate insider trading.
All 1% have stock in all corporations. Congress made insider trading legal for them again (after it was illegal for a few years).
So is nuclear war OK, as long as people take paper stock losses?
Hey, guess what Baruch? The GOP has given up on investigating Hillary Clinton - because they came up empty! Fancy that!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 08:08:58 PM
Hey, guess what Baruch? The GOP has given up on investigating Hillary Clinton - because they came up empty! Fancy that!
hey guess what, she's still a corrupt, power hungry bitch who if she was republican you'd have no problem saying she was so. Doesn't matter what side of the fence the apple falls into its still rotten.
Quote from: Munch on January 10, 2020, 09:37:45 PM
hey guess what, she's still a corrupt, power hungry bitch who if she was republican you'd have no problem saying she was so. Doesn't what side of the fence the apple falls into its still rotten.
Even assuming that's 100% accurate, she's not the one ordering an assassination strike. Truth be told, she's not doing a whole hell of a lot these days. Why fixate on someone who's not in power?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
Even assuming that's 100% accurate, she's not the one ordering an assassination strike. Truth be told, she's not doing a whole hell of a lot these days. Why fixate on someone who's not in power?
I didn't bring her up.
Pelosi has decided to actually send the impeachment to the Senate and is making a plan to do so next week.
Considering that people were contemplating "failure to prosecute" in the Senate, she really had little choice. The radicals have forced her hand.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 08:08:58 PM
Hey, guess what Baruch? The GOP has given up on investigating Hillary Clinton - because they came up empty! Fancy that!
Coverup, just as Comey planned. And Bill Clinton is a celibate.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2020, 09:51:16 PM
Even assuming that's 100% accurate, she's not the one ordering an assassination strike. Truth be told, she's not doing a whole hell of a lot these days. Why fixate on someone who's not in power?
Orange Man Bad ... Woman President Good.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 10, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
Pelosi has decided to actually send the impeachment to the Senate and is making a plan to do so next week.
Considering that people were contemplating "failure to prosecute" in the Senate, she really had little choice. The radicals have forced her hand.
Maybe. Or a Pakistani nuke will take out DC on behalf of Iran. Already one assassin was caught at Mar-A-Lago, and another assassin, a woman, is expected to cross the southern border. She isn't Mexican either. Allah Akbar!
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 10, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
Pelosi has decided to actually send the impeachment to the Senate and is making a plan to do so next week.
Considering that people were contemplating "failure to prosecute" in the Senate, she really had little choice. The radicals have forced her hand.
She's a canny vote counter -- knowing that a couple of GOP senators are skittish about Senator Yertle's open collusion with the White House (y'know, rather than being a juror which is his Constitutional mandate), I wonder if she has some information about how the vote on witnesses is going to go.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 08:08:58 PM
Hey, guess what Baruch? The GOP has given up on investigating Hillary Clinton - because they came up empty! Fancy that!
More to the point, an explicitly politically motivated investigation with what amounted to an order to find anything prosecutable came up empty.
Of course, the GOP has been trying to dig up dirt on Hillary for nearly 30 years now and have come up with fuck-all. The only success they've had is that they've been flinging monkey shit for so long (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie) there's an
appearance of crookedness where there actually is none.
Bill and Hillary are CIA. Their policy was war mongering Republican.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 10, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
Pelosi has decided to actually send the impeachment to the Senate and is making a plan to do so next week.
Considering that people were contemplating "failure to prosecute" in the Senate, she really had little choice. The radicals have forced her hand.
(https://i.imgflip.com/3iqp5s.jpg)
QuoteJim Bakker, the disgraced evangelist who served time in prison, claimed this week that only people who have been “saved†are able to really support and appreciate Donald Trump. Bakker says that being saved means being able to forgive others, and that’s exactly what they are trying to do with Trump. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this ridiculous claim and how it is being used to increase evangelical support for the President.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_C1cV7OJw
Well, at least now I know why I don't support Trump - I'm not saved!
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 10, 2020, 10:35:53 PM
Pelosi has decided to actually send the impeachment to the Senate and is making a plan to do so next week.
Considering that people were contemplating "failure to prosecute" in the Senate, she really had little choice. The radicals have forced her hand.
I dunno how "radical" it is to want this guy impeached, given what he has done so far. And that's the position of a little over half the people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtH-CRuYY9g
Quote from: AristotleA tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.
Republican = tyrant
Democrat = freedom fighter aka terrorist
Result = Reaper drones flown by Gervais appear above Hollywood
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 11, 2020, 03:44:32 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/3iqp5s.jpg)
No ... Pelosi ... I am the House, the Senate and #3 in line. I will be the first miserable ugly example of a woman President ;-) But first, fake impeachment of Trump and Pence ... bwahaha. Gotta protect her kid's graft in Ukraine.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 11, 2020, 06:00:36 PM
I dunno how "radical" it is to want this guy impeached, given what he has done so far. And that's the position of a little over half the people.
3/4 of American colonialists, didn't want American Revolution. Kill George Washington! 25% were rebels, 25% were loyalists, 50% just wanted the rest of them to go away.
Wouldn't matter, aside from legal election in 2020 what the majority want (in context of election and Electoral College gerrymandering). US is a republic, not a democracy. The revered Founders hated democracy. I don't want easily hacked direct Internet elections.
On the other hand, IMO, all Presidents since Eisenhower should have been impeached ... for the crime of being incompetent assholes.
I bet you just pulled all those numbers right out of your ass, huh? Got citations?
Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2020, 07:42:19 PMWouldn't matter, aside from legal election in 2020 what the majority want (in context of election and Electoral College gerrymandering).
I quoted the only unmistakeably truthful sentence.
And yes, if you look at polls, the "radical" positions tend to have widespread support and one might expect elected officials to be somewhat in step with their constituents. Yet they aren't and the questionable integrity of our elections is a huge concern. Another huge and related concern is the huge influence of special interests...*looks pointedly* and their lackeys, fealty readily for sale or (and I'm not sure which is more shameful) given freely.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 11, 2020, 08:04:43 PM
I bet you just pulled all those numbers right out of your ass, huh? God citations?
All facts are lies by NYT ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 11, 2020, 08:16:09 PM
I quoted the only unmistakeably truthful sentence.
And yes, if you look at polls, the "radical" positions tend to have widespread support and one might expect elected officials to be somewhat in step with their constituents. Yet they aren't and the questionable integrity of our elections is a huge concern. Another huge and related concern are hugely influence of special interests...*looks pointedly* and their lackeys, fealty readily for sale or (and I'm not sure which is more shameful) given freely.
All elected politicians are criminals. Why should they represent anyone but Al Capone? Direct democracy would be a complete failure, because most people shouldn't even be allowed to vote in a representative democracy. All elections are illegitimate in the US, because the US is illegitimate.
Jan 20, 100,000 gun owners showing up at VA statehouse, to defend gun rights. What could go wrong?
Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2020, 08:21:38 PM
All facts are lies by NYT ;-)
So, no citations. Surprise.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 11, 2020, 08:26:03 PM
So, no citations. Surprise.
You have nothing but your hangover from the 60s. Show facts ...
I didn't live through the 60s, I was born last Thursday.
QuoteWhat began as a super PAC intended for Senator Ted Cruz eventually devolved into Defeat Crooked Hillary, a super PAC for then-presidential candidate Donald Trump that was more formally known as Make America Number 1. After his election, the super PAC and the Trump campaign met with Cambridge Analytica staff for a two-day debrief on their strategies and tactics for winning the election. “Unfortunately, what they found out was the only very successful tactic was sending fear-based, scaremongering messaging to people that were identified as being neurotic,†says Cambridge Analytica whistleblower Brittany Kaiser. “It was so successful in their first experiments that they spent the rest of the money from the super PAC over the rest of the campaign only on negative messaging and fear-mongering.†No recent progress has been made in terms of regulating data usage despite multiple congressional hearings regarding Facebook’s role in misinforming and manipulating voters. This should raise great concern amongst Americans as the primaries begin, says "The Great Hack" filmmakers Jehane Noujaim and Karim Amer. “Our elections are for sale. … Democracy has been broken," says filmmaker Jehane Noujaim. “No election laws have changed. Facebook’s a crime scene.â€
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DiF6zPQugE
Everything has become "for sale." We have the best government money can buy.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 11, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
Quote
Jim Bakker, the disgraced evangelist who served time in prison, claimed this week that only people who have been “saved†are able to really support and appreciate Donald Trump. Bakker says that being saved means being able to forgive others, and that’s exactly what they are trying to do with Trump. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this ridiculous claim and how it is being used to increase evangelical support for the President.
Well, at least now I know why I don't support Trump - I'm not saved!
Doesn't he realize that to require forgiveness is necessarily a tacit admission of wrongdoing -- and the Constitution calls for impeachment, not absolution, as the appropriate response.
Also also, the day I take Jim Bakker's advice is the day I need to be put into a home and sedated out of this life entirely.
Quote from: trdsf on January 12, 2020, 09:32:49 PMDoesn't he realize that to require forgiveness is necessarily a tacit admission of wrongdoing
Typically also an act of atonement.
Of course, this isn't forgiveness. This is rallying around a guy he admits is wrong - bizarrely without actually voicing any specific wrongdoing. With principles like that, it's no wonder these people are treated as scum-worshipping scum.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
I didn't live through the 60s, I was born last Thursday.
That explains your lack of maturity ;-)
A hangnail is terrifying to snowflakes. They should take their meds and get a nap.
It seems the Trump fans don't like to be called a cult. I posted a comment on the youtube vid: "Once you've drunk the Kool Aid, you're in a cult."
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 13, 2020, 01:35:15 PM
It seems the Trump fans don't like to be called a cult. I posted a comment on the youtube vid: "Once you've drunk the Kool Aid, you're in a cult."
Kool-aide? Jim Jones was a Democrat, from near you. Supported by the usual D-party local politicians ... until they killed their Congressman, and committed mass suicide. Typical cult Dem behavior. I blame drug abuse.
Call Republicans anything you like. Call Trump anything you like. Twitter and Facebook support Communism. Youtube is rapidly becoming video-Facebook. So you won't get banned. If you are Independent, you get shot at from both sides.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 11, 2020, 04:29:44 PM
QuoteJim Bakker, the disgraced evangelist who served time in prison, claimed this week that only people who have been “saved†are able to really support and appreciate Donald Trump. Bakker says that being saved means being able to forgive others, and that’s exactly what they are trying to do with Trump. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this ridiculous claim and how it is being used to increase evangelical support for the President.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az_C1cV7OJw
Well, at least now I know why I don't support Trump - I'm not saved!
That's funny coming from the people who couldn't forgive Obama for being black, or a Democrat. Especially considering Obama was a CHRISTIAN. And, unlike Trump, who would never acknowledge a power above himself except to pander, Obama actually seemed to be at least somewhat devout. Obama was able to recite the holy catechism from memory while Trump just stood there like a stump.
"It's because he's not Catholic."
Yes. That's technically correct. But maybe try casting a bigger net next time.
Actually, Obama was raised Muslim, went to Islamic school in Indonesia. I am not sure, either way, if he were ever Christian later. Not sure what that would mean. Protestant? Wouldn't matter, since being a Christian doesn't stand for anything.
I didn't hold anything against Obama, voted for him twice, even when he did things I didn't like. If I rejected any politician for doing anything I didn't like, I would be a Snowflake. If I rejected Trump for being a NYC asshole, then I would be a bigot.
Obama wasn't a Democrat anymore than the two Clintons. All three are warmongers. Are Democrats warmongers? Usually that is a Republican vice. Trump is a warmonger too.
America's mercenary force to protect the oil of the richest country in the Middle East.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSESTWRJ-qI
How much of that Saudi money is going into Trump's bank accounts?
We have been allied to Saudi Arabia since 1944. Too bad you don't have a time machine, to go back and kill FDR ;-) Churchill could be an asshole too. Perhaps you missed your chance to join the Axis or the Communists (in the Cold War)? Countries have relationships, that are even less morality based than between individuals.
Or is it ... that you hate Sunnis and love Shites because of Iran Derangement Syndrome?
Well, if Christians can "hate the sin, love the sinner," then why not "hate the terror, love the terrorist"? Especially since Jesus told them to love their enemies.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 14, 2020, 01:35:40 PM
Well, if Christians can "hate the sin, love the sinner," then why not "hate the terror, love the terrorist"? Especially since Jesus told them to love their enemies.
Good enough to treat Christians as shitty "fellow travelers". I put M Gandhi in the same category.
"'Gulags Weren't That Bad': Sanders Staffer Says Trump Supporters Will Need To Be 'Re-Educated In Camps'" ... see ... if the Republicans weren't evil, it wouldn't be necessary to send them to Siberia.
"Pelosi - McConnell is a Russian spy" ... if Dems had any sense they would de-platform their lead psychotic.
Well, I've been wondering how long it would take for our allies to start distancing themselves from the U.S.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_isveVjYlA
No country wants to be allied with a country that's completely unpredictable.
Good. Time for Agenda 21. Half of GB are Labor etc Communists. Why would I want anything to do with them? I am no Democrat (communist).
"Northam Declares State Of Emergency In Virginia Because "Armed Militia Groups Plan To Storm The Capitol"" ... first take back Virginia from the communists, then California? ;-)
W Virginia is offering to annex freedom loving VA counties.
Unbeliever ... your video posts are like pr126 being held upside down. If I watch them upside down, I think of pr126 and smile.
Trump doesn't know Parnas the way Peter didn't know Jesus when he was being tried by the Romans.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 17, 2020, 02:28:40 PM
Trump doesn't know Parnas the way Peter didn't know Jesus when he was being tried by the Romans.
All pedophiles from Ukraine, seeking lighter sentence, support Adam Schiff.
At least not all Republicans idolize Trump:
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/314556-what-ive-learned-mac-stipanovich-on-donald-trump-retirement-the-recount-and-real-florida-politics
QuoteWhat Donald Trump represents, the tendencies he exhibits, the emotions he evokes, are frightening and they’re dangerous in my judgment. He’s the ultimate con man. He’s the carnival barker, and it’s just amazing how many rubes there are in the country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvMP4NQegPA
Life long Republican - Martin Luther King.
"Guillotine the rich" - another Bernie organizer. Armed violent Left revolutionary. Should Bernie be blamed for the Marxists he attracts? Only fair to Trump if he is.
Well, despite having talked a (sort of a) good game, predictably, the wobbly Republican senators failed to wobble and supported the Criminal-in-Chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51194446) when push came to shove. I don't know why they even fucking bother pretending they give a shit.
Quote from: trdsf on January 21, 2020, 11:50:19 PM
Well, despite having talked a (sort of a) good game, predictably, the wobbly Republican senators failed to wobble and supported the Criminal-in-Chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51194446) when push came to shove. I don't know why they even fucking bother pretending they give a shit.
Senators are politicians. Enough said. If you can't win at the ballot box (or gerrymandering or constitution (Electoral College) then have Resistance in Chief, Hillary, make a Hulu video excoriating Bernie. But like in 2016, it is fake. If Bernie plays cuck to Hillary, she will get him another house, for his trouble.
Why would Dems support an R-politician? Why would Repubs support a D-politican. All the money to be scammed is in the Ukraine.
Quote from: trdsf on January 21, 2020, 11:50:19 PM
Well, despite having talked a (sort of a) good game, predictably, the wobbly Republican senators failed to wobble and supported the Criminal-in-Chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51194446) when push came to shove. I don't know why they even fucking bother pretending they give a shit.
I haven't been following. Are you referring to that woman from Maine? Can't remember her name, but she always seemed theatrical to me: "Look at me, I'm trying to seem like I care so deeply while I'm making a hard decision." But if you've been watching, she always votes with her side of the isle at the last minute. Is this thing over yet, or was this just some minor vote on the way to a predetermined outcome?
Quote from: SGOS on January 22, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
I haven't been following. Are you referring to that woman from Maine? Can't remember her name, but she always seemed theatrical to me: "Look at me, I'm trying to seem like I care so deeply while I'm making a hard decision." But if you've been watching, she always votes with her side of the isle at the last minute. Is this thing over yet, or was this just some minor vote on the way to a predetermined outcome?
I didn't pay attention to the Clinton impeachment back in the day. I knew people who thought Bill Clinton was Satan incarnate. My how times ... don't change.
The idea is, to get Trump off the hook before the State of the Union Speech. This is all smoke and mirrors, sheeple.
Quote from: SGOS on January 22, 2020, 07:55:53 AM
I haven't been following. Are you referring to that woman from Maine? Can't remember her name, but she always seemed theatrical to me: "Look at me, I'm trying to seem like I care so deeply while I'm making a hard decision." But if you've been watching, she always votes with her side of the isle at the last minute. Is this thing over yet, or was this just some minor vote on the way to a predetermined outcome?
There were five making mouth noises like they wanted witnesses - Collins ("that woman from Maine"), Gardner, McSally, Romney and Alexander, and every last one pissed it down their leg when it came time to be counted.
Collins, Gardner and McSally are all in tough reelection fights; Collins has all but blown her chances now. Polling shows her losing a lot if she doesn't back impeachment and losing by a little if she does. Apparently she's decided to go down in flames rather than have a fair chance at retaining her seat.
I must correct myself -- it was retiring Senator Sasse of Nebraska, not retiring Senator Alexander of Tennessee that was bullshitting about wanting witnesses.
This is why Bolton so cavalierly offered to testify if subpoenaed - he knew he never would be.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 22, 2020, 01:47:07 PM
This is why Bolton so cavalierly offered to testify if subpoenaed - he knew he never would be.
People with access to classified info can't testify (hence invulnerable Deep State). The questions would all have to be limited, scripted and with pre-approved answers.
Brennan etc won't have to testify either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26THRPlgYSI
You could tell by the look on Pence's face that he felt snubbed. I've got no sympathy for him at all. He and his Lord and Master, Trump, and their GOP minions have made America a disgrace.
Well, the trial has started ... right before the Iowa caucus, bringing the 2nd and 3rd place candidates to DC instead of Iowa.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on January 23, 2020, 09:41:50 PM
Well, the trial has started ... right before the Iowa caucus, bringing the 2nd and 3rd place candidates to DC instead of Iowa.
One conspiracy theory ... this is brought by Dems to impact their own Presidential candidates
Another conspiracy theory ... since this is political, not criminal or civil, it is simply about smearing Trump, and putting pressure on 4 weak R-Senators up for re-election.
Iowa and New Hampshire aren't everything, but Super Tuesday is ... 3/3/2020. Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio ... basically these and the first two, are the only primary states that matter. That is how broken the primary system is.
Kennedy crime family
Johnson crime family
Nixon crime family
Bush crime family
Clinton crime family
Biden crime family
Pelosi crime family
Schiff crime family
Romney crime family
USA = Not elephants, Mafia, all the way down.
Schiff, whose great grandfather helped fund the Russian Revolution ... says that any election with Republicans, is illegitimate. Bwahah.
Two "fun" stories today.
The liar-in-chief stated that no Americans were harmed in the Iranian missile strikes. That is what he repeated, over and over and over and over again... then he said a few had "headaches"...
https://apnews.com/5aba061e7f7c2632a618d491a0a15c87 (https://apnews.com/5aba061e7f7c2632a618d491a0a15c87)
34 troops have now been diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries, 17 of which are still under medical supervision.
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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story?id=68506437&id=68506437&__twitter_impression=true (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/recording-appears-capture-trump-private-dinner-ukraine-ambassador/story?id=68506437&id=68506437&__twitter_impression=true)
Audio recording leaked from the Trump hotel at a private meeting that included Guilliani, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman appears to indicate that Trump said multiple times that Ambassador Yovanavich needed to be "taken out" and "gotten rid of".
This is the same Ambassador that intelligence agencies recommended she leave Ukraine due to threats on her life, and that reports indicate that the Trump circle had assigned people to stalk and harass.
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But... but... Hillary's emails! HUSSEIN Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Not to imply that Hillary isn't just as bad as Trump, I think she is just as horrible of human being and perhaps worse, but that is also irrelevant)
QuoteVice President Mike Pence was caught on a hot mic while talking with Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu, appearing to discuss President Trump's impeachment trial. CNBC has not confirmed that his comments are referring to Trump and the ongoing trial in the Senate. Moments after, Prince Charles appears to snub Pence, not giving him a handshake as he greets other world leaders in attendance of the World Holocaust Forum in Jerusalem, Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlJWrEaSs_U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIKwwQ2LvfU
I bet this really hurt Pence's feelings...I hope...
1. Concussion shows up later. Yes, some of our armed forces, suffered concussion. I give credit, that in spite of that, Tehran hasn't been vaporized yet (not that I want that outcome). Please cheer on all enemies of the US, GB etc ... just like you did in the 1960s/70s.
2. Dems are using a convicted pedophile Ukrainian (who lied to Guliani), who is lying to get a lower sentence for his crimes. This is being revealed thru the press, which is the Comey/Rosenstein/McCabe method of smear. And the entire corrupt method as used by the House in their proceedings prior to the Impeachment vote. Ambassador Yovanovich is one of the corrupt Ukrainian/Americans involved in this huge scheme. Most US ambassadors are political appointees, not professionals.
3. Guliani is going to reveal all his investigation against Clinton, Biden etc corruption with evil Ukrainian oligarchs shortly. Again thru the press. Because witnesses won't be called much, in the Impeachment, because the whole Senate/House would have to resign if their universal criminal grifting was revealed. Yes, hate all people from NYC, you California losers.
4. The law against Communist agitation has been on the books for longer than I have been alive, but never enforced. If it had, the 1960s would have been very different. Most DNC operatives today should be arrested as Communist agitators.
5. At this point, justice won't' be had. It would require a military coup, that arrests all our corrupt civilian politicians (not that I want that outcome). I like live-and-let-live, otherwise we will have to kill each other.
Well. Let's see if any GOP senators are shaken loose on the question of witnesses by Bolton's allegation...
Quote from: Shiranu on January 24, 2020, 01:37:27 PMThe liar-in-chief stated that no Americans were harmed in the Iranian missile strikes. That is what he repeated, over and over and over and over again... then he said a few had "headaches"...
https://apnews.com/5aba061e7f7c2632a618d491a0a15c87 (https://apnews.com/5aba061e7f7c2632a618d491a0a15c87)
34 troops have now been diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries, 17 of which are still under medical supervision.
It's all worth if it gets him a couple percentage points on polls he says he doesn't care about and which are lying when they're unflattering but are the unvarnished truth when they're flattering.
Quote from: trdsf on January 27, 2020, 09:58:21 PM
Well. Let's see if any GOP senators are shaken loose on the question of witnesses by Bolton's allegation...
Dems call on Baby Hitler as witness … bwahaha. Dems also have Richard Spencer as their ally. Why does Richard Spencer hate Trump? He wants all Jews dead. If Dems were at least immoral, they would at least have some morality!
I want a Donald Trump AI. Make that AI the Permanent Cyber President ;-) Not because I would ever vote for Trump .. but because Dems would burn in Hell in this very life, forever.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 27, 2020, 11:50:30 PM
It's all worth if it gets him a couple percentage points on polls he says he doesn't care about and which are lying when they're unflattering but are the unvarnished truth when they're flattering.
Bolton is selling his book, getting free marketing from the Dems (Why would they embrace a warmonger?). Will you buy his book?
This is several months old, but still very relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ksw0LRw2k
We don't live under the rule of law, we live under the rule of those who rule the law.
Duh! Democracy is total BS. You get the sheeple to believe total lies. Starts with George "the traitor" Washington.
Just as well, I don't want any Americans to vote anyway. They need cages at the zoo, like in Planet of the Apes.
Democracy would be just fine if only we actually had a well-informed electorate. But the boob tube, among other things, has dumbed America down so much that manipulation of the voters is easy, if not necessarily cheap.
Apparently Bolton's allegations are having an effect -- Senator Yertle admitted to his caucus that he hasn't the votes to prevent witnesses being called (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51284334).
Well, I'm still not holding my breath waiting for witnesses.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 03:10:04 PM
Well, I'm still not holding my breath waiting for witnesses.
Me either, but seeing cracks appear in the Stepford Wives is interesting.
Without witnesses there is no "trial" - just Kabuki theater.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 03:26:34 PM
Without witnesses there is no "trial" - just Kabuki theater.
That's not Constitutionally true of an impeachment trial before the Senate. The Senate has very broad authority to conduct the trial just about any way they want. If they don't want witnesses, they don't have to have them so long as 51 of them say so.
What I
would like to know is whether Pence as VP or Roberts as presiding judge breaks a tie...
I think it's Roberts with an impeachment, though all other times it would be the VP.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 01:33:48 PM
Democracy would be just fine if only we actually had a well-informed electorate. But the boob tube, among other things, has dumbed America down so much that manipulation of the voters is easy, if not necessarily cheap.
Only Independents get to vote. All party hacks are certifiably insane ;-)
Quote from: trdsf on January 29, 2020, 03:00:25 PM
Apparently Bolton's allegations are having an effect -- Senator Yertle admitted to his caucus that he hasn't the votes to prevent witnesses being called (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51284334).
In which case, the Senate will have to sit all the way thru early November ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 03:26:34 PM
Without witnesses there is no "trial" - just Kabuki theater.
Kabuki is in Japanese. US politics is in gibberish.
Quote from: trdsf on January 29, 2020, 03:24:23 PM
Me either, but seeing cracks appear in the Stepford Wives is interesting.
Unbeliever is Dr Robotnik … he wants to robotize everyone, not just women. Even Sonic!
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 05:26:29 PM
I think it's Roberts with an impeachment, though all other times it would be the VP.
That appears to be the historical precedent, according to
Roll Call (https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/roberts-will-preside-but-not-rule-over-trump-impeachment-trial). Then-Chief Justice Chase, presiding over the impeachment trial of Andrew Johnson, not only asserted the power to cast a tie-breaking vote, he even did so when the Senate split on a procedural question, and the motion that his vote was out of order (as the Senate can override the Chief Justice's decisions by a simple majority) was subsequently defeated.
So the precedent is that Roberts has the authority to cast a tie-breaking vote if necessary. Rehnquist never needed to while presiding over the trial of Bill Clinton, and actively tried to avoid getting involved as much as possible, deferring to the Senate whenever he could. In a later interview, he said of his role during the trial, "I did nothing in particular, and I did it very well."
The real question is now: will he? His primary interest has long been to protect the independence (real or imagined) of the Court and avoid getting into retail politics, and I suspect that any tie vote is his personal nightmare scenario. Any tie breaking vote he might have to make will be judged in terms of the politics of the moment and warped into casting him as pro- or anti-Trump, rather than of the actual legal reasoning behind it --
especially if it's on a matter like calling witnesses, which could easily go 50-50. There are enough squeamish Republicans to make that a realistic possibility.
As a judge, I suspect Roberts' instincts would be for maximal information -- hear the witness(es). As a Supreme Court Chief Justice, the political blowback from that is something I think he genuinely fears, or at least is desperate to avoid.
Even if not called on to break a tie on a vote on witnesses, there are other dangers for him. If Bolton is subpoenaed to testify and the defense team objects on the grounds of executive privilege, he's going to be forced to make a ruling on a topic that's given the Supreme Court fits for almost as long as the Republic has existed.
United States v Nixon is clear that claims of executive privilege are not absolute, but also recognizes that executive privilege exists even though it's not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution.
As they say, stay tuned.
Here's another little goodie. Unsurprisingly, there's blowback from the White House against Bolton and his book.
Surprisingly, the one thing they haven't called it is *inaccurate*. Only that it contains classified material (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51304366). Say, perhaps, that El Flippo did exactly what he's accused of....
"Only far-left lunatics support impeachment!" (https://apnews.com/013f251892b2f1cdc0c10c9adbe989e3) - guy who gets his news exclusively from Fox News
Quote from: trdsf on January 30, 2020, 01:54:08 AM
As a judge, I suspect Roberts' instincts would be for maximal information -- hear the witness(es). As a Supreme Court Chief Justice, the political blowback from that is something I think he genuinely fears, or at least is desperate to avoid.
I don't understand what Rpberts would be afraid of, since he's on the SCOTUS for life. What does he have to fear? What difference would "political blowback" make?
Quote from: trdsf on January 30, 2020, 03:52:49 PM
Here's another little goodie. Unsurprisingly, there's blowback from the White House against Bolton and his book.
Surprisingly, the one thing they haven't called it is *inaccurate*. Only that it contains classified material (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51304366). Say, perhaps, that El Flippo did exactly what he's accused of....
So, should we believe the lying president or the lying war monger?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 30, 2020, 05:41:32 PM
I don't understand what Rpberts would be afraid of, since he's on the SCOTUS for life. What does he have to fear? What difference would "political blowback" make?
Impeachment applies to Supreme Court Justices, not just the president. If he makes a few decisions that the Orange Disaster Area doesn't like, then on the currently-unlikely chance of a Republican sweep this fall, there's nothing to prevent a Republican majority in the House from impeaching on any charge they like, even if removal in the Senate is unlikely. And I think if Roberts is in the dock, then the senior Associate Justice presides... which would be Clarence Thomas.
Additionally, if there's one thing Roberts is interested in, it's maintaining the reputation of the Court in general and his legacy in specific, and the appearance of impartiality (the reality of it being an unrealistic goal). He does
not want to be cast in a political role, so presiding over the trial right now is torture enough. Worse from his standpoint, any decision he makes that isn't completely non-controversial will be labeled (most likely inaccurately) as serving one party or the other rather than being a simple legal decision based on precedent and analysis of the Constitution.
I've studied Roberts, and I think he would desperately prefer to be anywhere else right now.
I found this somewhat amusing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uya1k9j5JU
I have just sent the following email to my Republican senator (the other one has his head screwed on right):
Quote
I would bring to your attention that the current White House response to the allegations by Ambassador Bolton has been only to assert there is classified material in his manuscript. They have *not* questioned the veracity of it -- please see Senior Director Knight's letter to the ambassador's attorney here: https://www.scribd.com/embeds/444786869/content?start_page=1
Ambassador Bolton must be called as a witness so that his allegation may be judged relative to the President's defense. This cannot be called a fair trial in the absence of hearing such directly relevant evidence, regardless of whether you are ultimately convinced by it.
Thank you.
I have zero hope of a sensible reply, of course.
hahah … we don't even know for sure yet, if they will call witnesses. D and R both already know the future result!
The classified stuff in Bolton' book was reviewed by the Vindeman brother of the same Vindeman that the Ukes wanted to make their Defense Minister. Y'all can't even spell Machiavelli, let alone think of politics in proper Italian terms.
Deep State says things Ds like … Good doggy
Deep State says things Ds don't like … Bad doggy
Susan Collins has announced she will vote in favor of subpoenaing additional witnesses and documents (https://www.collins.senate.gov/newsroom/senator-collins%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2-statement-vote-witnesses-and-documents). All eyes on Romney, Murkowski, McSally and Gardner now. Any two makes a tie; three (and assuming no Democratic defections) means witnesses.
Ukraine aid tied to digging up dirt on the Bidens after all (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bolton-book-trump-tied-ukraine-aid-to-investigations-943468/)
Quote from: trdsf on January 31, 2020, 01:37:42 AM
Susan Collins has announced she will vote in favor of subpoenaing additional witnesses and documents (https://www.collins.senate.gov/newsroom/senator-collins%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%84%A2-statement-vote-witnesses-and-documents). All eyes on Romney, Murkowski, McSally and Gardner now. Any two makes a tie; three (and assuming no Democratic defections) means witnesses.
I don't believe Collins any more than I believe any other Republican. Watch her vote right along with the rest of her traitor party.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 09:18:10 AM
Ukraine aid tied to digging up dirt on the Bidens after all (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bolton-book-trump-tied-ukraine-aid-to-investigations-943468/)
Trump will just say he's lying in order to sell his book, and it will be a case of "he said, he said."
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
Trump will just say he's lying in order to sell his book, and it will be a case of "he said, he said."
That is always true, unless all political offices are moved to Guantanamo, and all sitting officials (not just elected ones) are waterboarded daily. But can we trust the Marines who will record their unending confessions?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 09:18:10 AM
Ukraine aid tied to digging up dirt on the Bidens after all (https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bolton-book-trump-tied-ukraine-aid-to-investigations-943468/)
I prefer the Roman methods. Meet them coming back from the Circus Maximus and have the Praetorians gut them (See Caligula). I don't believe in any trials other than trial by combat. Long live Emperor Commodus! (the Emperor travestied in the movie Gladiator).
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 01:38:03 PM
I don't believe Collins any more than I believe any other Republican. Watch her vote right along with the rest of her traitor party.
And Dems are a different species of shape shifting reptilian? Oh yes, y'all are the Left master race.
"THE GOVERNMENT IS THE POTENT OMNIPRESENT TEACHER. FOR GOOD OR ILL IT TEACHES THE WHOLE PEOPLE BY ITS EXAMPLE. CRIME IS CONTAGIOUS. IF THE GOVERNMENT BECOMES A LAWBREAKER, IT BREEDS CONTEMPT FOR LAW; IT INVITES EVERY MAN TO BECOME A LAW UNTO HIMSELF; IT INVITES ANARCHY. TO DECLARE THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAY COMMIT CRIMESâ€"WOULD BRING TERRIBLE RETRIBUTION." LOUIS D. BRANDEIS
This has been true with Congress since 1775! It is legal now for the Government to lie to its own people, which is great, because they have been doing this against the law, for over 200 years now.
Democrats want to claim any Republican wins, particularly Trump in 2016 and potentially in 2020, are illegitimate. Dems claimed the same thing against Lincoln in 1860.
Trump will be able to do anything he wants, now that he knows he can do anything he wants.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 03, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
Trump will be able to do anything he wants, now that he knows he can do anything he wants.
I prefer any dictator, as long as their last name isn't Clinton -)
I'm sure you'd love a dictator named Hitler, huh?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 03, 2020, 02:40:35 PM
I'm sure you'd love a dictator named Hitler, huh?
One of his nephews, served in the US Navy in WW II. So yes, that Hitler would have made a fine dictator.
"Each man's death diminishes me, For I am involved in mankind. Therefore, send not to know. For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee." - John Donne ... waiting for Barr & Durham
"When the wicked are confounded and consigned to flames of woe." - Requiem by Mozart
Boston Mob, Chicago Mob, Delaware Mob, Little Rock Mob, Houston Mob etc ... you know who I am talking about.
Just discovered Michael Malice, the gay anarchist. I am very impressed by his metrosexualism and his intelligent anarchism. I don't like anarchism, but I think it is better than authoritarianism!
State Of Union 2020: Trump pulls lies from top of his orange face and the crowd goes wild, while Nancy Pelosi cries inside.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 04, 2020, 10:24:46 PM
State Of Union 2020: Trump pulls lies from top of his orange face and the crowd goes wild, while Nancy Pelosi cries inside.
Don't want anything bad on people. But once again, the Feminist White Clothes mafia ... showed that women should be at home, shoeless and pregnant.
Why shoeless? What's that got to do with anything? Just curious...
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 05, 2020, 01:22:54 PM
Why shoeless? What's that got to do with anything? Just curious...
Old trope. Harder to go outside barefoot, with soft pretty feet ;-)
https://youtu.be/JDZj5Hpg0WY
Bernadine Dohrn connected to the Pritzker family, Bill Ayers also nearby … are supporters of Barak Obama. There are real American communists, doing sedition for over 60 years now. All such people are not legitimate opposition to the Establishment. Legitimate opposition are pro-American, but differ from the Establishment on how to achieve this. They are not anti-American, anti-White, anti-male.
There's a winery called Barefoot Cellars.
Democracy loses.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 05, 2020, 04:18:55 PM
There's a winery called Barefoot Cellars.
That is why kosher wine is a thing ... dirty Gentiles.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 05, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Democracy loses.
The people should lose the vote. Dirty peasants.
Everyone knows, that Black-criminal-record Hispanic-surnamed ghetto-dwelling mega-city-living gay trans-sexuals are the master race (per maximum identity victim politics)!
Of course he was acquitted. There's nothing this criminal could do to make Republicans turn against someone on their team. That's all this is about, protecting their team.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 06, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
Of course he was acquitted. There's nothing this criminal could do to make Republicans turn against someone on their team. That's all this is about, protecting their team.
Democrats - Hillary did a felony, deleting impounded email records on her illegal email server ... Comey said, OK by me!
That's bullshit, Baruch, and you know it. Which means you're being disingenuous for a reason. What is you're reason?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 06, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
That's bullshit, Baruch, and you know it. Which means you're being disingenuous for a reason. What is you're reason?
Only Republicans ... are shape shifting reptilian aliens, and you know it ... after the hangover, maybe?
Hillary was exonerated by FBI god, Comey, before the 2016 Dem convention. The plan was for nobody to know of her crimes before, during and after the 2016 election. Because Comey is a %&%^$^ Dem. He didn't intend to say anything more the week before the election, but the NYC FBI office forced his hand over the depraved contents of Weiner's laptop. Or maybe after Comey's hangover, maybe?
Any post that says, Republicans are evil ... by anyone, is hyperbole. Same with tarring all Dems. Only some R or D are criminals.
It is a fact, that the Congress impounded Hillary's emails, before she deleted them. If Trump did that, he could be legitimately impeached. But that Congress is not legitimate, because that House was Republican led ;-) When admin departments refused subpoenas in 2017-2018 ... this wasn't because President Trump forbade it under "separation of powers" (and could be challenged in court) ... they did it on their own, as Resistance (who were mostly French communists) leaders, against a Repub House. Part of the continuous violation of the Hatch act by Dem admins that went on.
If Trump had ordered them to do this (and didn't accept overturn by a court), then it would be interference in the power of Congress, and also impeachable. The heads of those departments should have been impeached or jailed, including Comey. They did actual interference in the operation of government (but only Dems are legitimate government, per the Hollywood commissar?).
Yes, it is all lies. All nihilists agree. Nothing to see. Down the memory hole.
Limbaugh smokes cigars for decades, then everyone's so sad that he gave himself cancer. Boo fucking hoo.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 06, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Limbaugh smokes cigars for decades, then everyone's so sad that he gave himself cancer. Boo fucking hoo.
Yep. Everyone deserves lung cancer or worse? Never liked his show. Not my kind of person. Muckraker and shock jock.
I am sure, that everything politician Trump does is for political gain. Boo hoo hoo.
As an interesting twist, some Republicans have promised that when they regain the House they will expunge the impeachment.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 06, 2020, 08:47:01 PM
As an interesting twist, some Republicans have promised that when they regain the House they will expunge the impeachment.
Speculative. Common Law doesn't like novelty. I really don't care, since I am not expecting the crime families in charge since I was a boy, will ever see jail time.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Paris_Tuileries_Garden_Facepalm_statue.jpg)
You do realize he did give that gentleman a different honor by promoting him to Brigadier General. In an unprecedented move the Joint Chiefs all stood up and applauded that honor.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 06, 2020, 09:51:07 PM
You do realize he did give that gentleman a different honor by promoting him to Brigadier General. In an unprecedented move the Joint Chiefs all stood up and applauded that honor.
And Limbaugh does
not deserve the honor of the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 06, 2020, 08:47:01 PM
As an interesting twist, some Republicans have promised that when they regain the House they will expunge the impeachment.
They seem intent on never regaining power - or trust - again.
(https://i.redd.it/169xv1n3tef41.jpg)
Well, he's not wrong...
(https://i.redd.it/38euob5offf41.jpg)
I can't imagine any US president to be a good dog owner, since their always busy and it's mostly the help looking after the animals, while they just have the occasional photoshoot with it.
Be like if I owned a dog and I just left it to be cared for by my mother and wonder why it doesn't come to me when I whistle
Quote from: Munch on February 07, 2020, 05:52:51 AM
I can't imagine any US president to be a good dog owner, since their always busy and it's mostly the help looking after the animals, while they just have the occasional photoshoot with it.
Be like if I owned a dog and I just left it to be cared for by my mother and wonder why it doesn't come to me when I whistle
"Lyndon Johnson Lifts Dog by Ears. When President Lyndon Johnson lifted his beagle, Him, by its ears to pose for an A.P. photographer, he set off a nationwide barrage of protests from animal lovers." ... hard to tell with LBJ, who is the pooch and who is the master ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 02:59:44 AM
(https://i.redd.it/169xv1n3tef41.jpg)
Well, he's not wrong...
Atheists are sooooo funny. Now Romney and Pelosi are calling on G-d, like Capt Ahab.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 01:48:51 AM
They seem intent on never regaining power - or trust - again.
Did you ever trust those f*ckweasels? S*itheads are so much more trustworthy.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 06, 2020, 09:51:07 PM
You do realize he did give that gentleman a different honor by promoting him to Brigadier General. In an unprecedented move the Joint Chiefs all stood up and applauded that honor.
How many people here, circa 1965-1975 were chanting "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh"? Yes, some here served back then. But like many veterans, were never the same afterward ;-(
Quote from: trdsf on February 07, 2020, 01:31:10 AM
And Limbaugh does not deserve the honor of the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
A valid point. That award was purely political. Obama didn't deserve a Nobel Peace medal either. He was a f*cking warmonger. Voted for Darth Barak twice.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 01:48:51 AM
They seem intent on never regaining power - or trust - again.
I disagree. I think they want all the power. They want absolute power so they can be absolutely corrupt.
Even the "prayer" breakfast is against the teachings of Jesus:
Matthew 6:5-7
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2020, 01:45:45 PM
I disagree. I think they want all the power. They want absolute power so they can be absolutely corrupt.
Very Biblical. All sons of Adam and daughters of Eve, want that. This is why cats should rule!
Prayer Breakfast? Yes, Emperor Constantine messed that up.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2020, 01:45:45 PM
I disagree. I think they want all the power. They want absolute power so they can be absolutely corrupt.
Absolutely, but being Trump's bootlicker definitely won't look good on the ol' resume.
Unless they've figured out a way to keep power without votes or without public trust, they're really hurting their brand. They're effectively turning never-Trumpers into never-GOPers.
Any sane person would try to put as much distance between themselves and Trump before running in 2024.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 03:02:22 AM
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I expected Dubya to be photographed with Tony Blair...
Current Dem crew trying to harvest the White Male ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMPW4R727QQ
Aye ... the dead hand of Dem leadership bid yee follow into the briny depths of salty liberal tears.
Quote from: trdsf on February 07, 2020, 06:57:49 PM
I expected Dubya to be photographed with Tony Blair...
Like Reagan should've been photographed with Thatcher? LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2020, 07:05:01 PM
Like Reagan should've been photographed with Thatcher? LOL
So you have about 60 years of hate to expiate? Your counseling bill will be massive. I know not to pursue the dead.
How long will it be before Pelosi, Schiff and other Democrats are in prison?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
How long will it be before Pelosi, Schiff and other Democrats are in prison?
I wonder when Trump will be able to become the dictator he so desperately wants to be? When will the USA meet it's 1933??
We're just really lucky that he's so old. But he has the best possible health care, so he could live for many years to come.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2020, 07:49:25 PM
How long will it be before Pelosi, Schiff and other Democrats are in prison?
As an actual centrist-moderate (but hyperbole at times) ... I don't expect any actual criminal to go to jail. The US is an disorganized crime syndicate.
Usually, "political" crimes are only punished thru elections. Bill Clinton shouldn't have been impeached, nor should have Donald Trump. The "red line" was set too low in both cases. Aside from inevitable political controversy, I have never read of any President who deserved impeachment. A few Congressmen have deserved it. Nine senators have been censured. House expulsions ... 5, censures ... 23, reprimands ... 11, excluded ... 4 (one guy twice). A total of 19/42 of them in my lifetime.
Quite a few federal judges have been impeached. Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh currently has pending charges against him.
A total of 15 senators have been expelled (none since the Civil War). Of the 9 senators censured, 3 were in my lifetime. In addition, 18 senators have had proceedings of expulsion logged against them ... three in my lifetime. Those three escaped by resigning.
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28% of Republicans, too.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 08, 2020, 09:24:12 PM
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28% of Republicans, too.
I have some very serious doubts about this poll :P, but I will say I find it interesting that the richer you are, the less you care if Trump wins.
I feel like that is actually pretty accurate. If you are rich enough (and also, not-so-coincidentally, white enough) to not be effected by his policies or to be indifferent about social services you don't need, it's not surprising you don't think Trump isn't as bad as people make him out to be. It doesn't effect you, so why should you be expected to really understand?
Quote from: Shiranu on February 08, 2020, 09:38:30 PMI feel like that is actually pretty accurate. If you are rich enough (and also, not-so-coincidentally, white enough) to not be effected by his policies or to be indifferent about social services you don't need, it's not surprising you don't think Trump isn't as bad as people make him out to be.
People at the top tend to not drown.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 08, 2020, 10:04:14 PM
People at the top tend to not drown.
Most of humanity lives in steerage, always have been. Having a temper tantrum over it, help? Children and seniors aren't even productive, they are ballast (which is actually useful).
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 08, 2020, 10:04:14 PM
People at the top tend to not drown.
They don't drown because they can afford to be prepared:
Billionaire bunkers: How the 1% are preparing for the apocalypse (https://www.cnn.com/style/article/doomsday-luxury-bunkers/index.html)
Rich Survivalists are Buying Fancy Condos in Old Nuclear Silos (https://www.curbed.com/2014/11/10/10025244/larry-hall-luxury-survival-condos)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 09, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
They don't drown because they can afford to be prepared:
Billionaire bunkers: How the 1% are preparing for the apocalypse (https://www.cnn.com/style/article/doomsday-luxury-bunkers/index.html)
Rich Survivalists are Buying Fancy Condos in Old Nuclear Silos (https://www.curbed.com/2014/11/10/10025244/larry-hall-luxury-survival-condos)
If you knew the Bible, you would know that even kingship or papacy won't protect you from hell. Neither will money nor Bernie Sanders ;-)
I know that, and you know that, but do the ultra-wealthy know that?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 10, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
I know that, and you know that, but do the ultra-wealthy know that?
Ultra-powerful, ultra-wealthy are always suspect to me. Not because I am a socialist, but I think that wealth, power ... especially inherited, are corrupting. That is a rather Biblical pessimism. I prefer everyone for most of their adult lives should have meaningful work, paid or pro bono ... that contributes to the common good. I don't see socialism as a good definition of the common good (because apparatchiks).
The ancients had plenty of experience with monarchies and tyrannies ... to not see them as a good thing. Hence my hope in someone like Bill Clinton or Barak Obama. I have never ever been a Republican (party). Always a republican. And the greater freedom individually vs collectively, the better, though at times collectivism is necessary (see FDR, Truman, Eisenhower).
Democracy as tyranny of the majority .. not for me, no matter what party. Arrogance is a bad place to be in. Democracy as a way to get general buy-in to policies ... would be nice. Partisanship and corruption break this. The US can't seem to unify except from an external threat, and then only for a generation afterward. Thus unity in the US, which gives confidence for changes, after WW II. War in Korea, Vietnam and on Terror ... have been divisive. And the WW II generation has died off.
QuoteJesse discusses (SHOWING THE RECEIPTS) Donald Trump profiting hundreds of thousands of dollars for staying at his properties (and even when he's not there being protected). Among the list are $650 per night hotel rooms and a $17,000/month 3 bedroom house in Bedminster, NJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9bxIDs5yrg
We're paying for the wall with "redemption money" - whatever that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Fmqrorh50
Trump saved up a gigantic pile of S&H Green Stamps ;-)
Money is free. Just ask any Democrat.
If the Dems would just declare all Mexicans to be dual US-Mexican citizens, then they don't have to cross to get the benefits. Why not? Dems are getting a cut of the "coyote" money from the human trafficking?
As the Commander-in Chief, is the president also bound by the UCMJ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhOq3GKqbXE
"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side." - Aristotle
Democrat's Death Cult ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc
President Trump is actually alive. It is a Life Cult. Karl Marx is dead, that is a Death Cult.
I for one used to look forward to world conquest by our Chinese masters. Now I look forward to human extinction by Chinese bioweapons run amok.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 13, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
As the Commander-in Chief, is the president also bound by the UCMJ?
Don't think so. The President is sworn in by the Presidential Oath. Enlisted are sworn in by the Enlisted Oath, and similarly for officers, by the Officers Oath. Of course the Constitution is simply an old piece of paper that Congress etc has ignored since 1946, most notably in 1950, 1965 and 2001. Pelosi sanctimoniously talking about the Constitution is LOTFL ... same as the shits who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
"The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." ... meaningless words, when said by any politician. Same for any other civilian oath of office. Politicians are congenitally lying sociopaths. President Lincoln tried to live up to this, and killed more Americans than the Axis, and paid the price.
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He isn't wrong.
If you want your republicans to lose, your need someone just as over the top on the democrats side.
which is why its always going to be a shit show in your campaigns.
Two layer polity. Activists are necessary for nomination, but they are ideologues. So a winning (non-incumbent) has to campaign away from the center. How they govern if they get elected, is anyone's guess. I didn't expect Obama to be a greater war monger than George W. Even Obama Care is Romney Care, that originally crawled out of a Republican think tank.
Quote from: William J. Bannetta
The religious right is fundamentalism's political arm. It seeks objectives which are depicted in fundamentalist literature as being derived from, or consanant with, biblical prescriptions and prophecies. Statements of these objectives vary considerably, but the principle goals are constant and prominent: a fundamentalist theocracy - that is, a government operated according to fundamentalist readings of the Bible; an economy of capitalism, more or less unrestrained; a foreign policy based on nationalism and chauvanism reinforced by militarism; a social organization in which women would be subordinate to men and would focus their lives on reproduction; a system of education that would discourage analytical thinking in all realms except the purely technical ones; a system of science that would serve only to support commerce and to generate sophistic demonstrations that facts of nature conform to biblical narratives; and theocratic suppression of cultural, intellectual, ethical, or sexual departures from biblical authorities.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 14, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
The religious right is fundamentalism's political arm. It seeks ...
"Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity by Bruce Bawer 1998" best book on this. This is why 1980s Republicans totally turned me off. Not only did you have to be Christian to be Republican, but you had to belong to a particular kind of Church to be Republican. Totally anti-American (per Thomas Jefferson). If feel the same way about knee-jerk support for modern secular Israel by Christian fundamentalists.
Yeah, here's what Randall Terry the founder of
Operation Rescue had to say, way back when;
QuoteWhen I, or people like me are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed...If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have a righteous testosterone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt by their contemporaries. They are not here to get along. They are here to take over.
Also Randall Terry:
QuoteI want you to let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hatred is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.
Here's Sam Harris:
QuoteAccording to the most common interpretation of biblical prophecy, Jesus will return only after things have gone horribly awry here on earth. It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to say that if the city of New York were suddenly replaced by a ball of fire, some significant percentage of the American population would see a silver lining in the subsequent mushroom cloud, as it would suggest to them that the best thing that is ever going to happen was about to happen--the return of Christ. It should be blindingly obvious that beliefs of this sort will do little to help us create a durable future for ourselves.
"Randall Allen Terry (born 1959) is an American pro-life activist and political candidate. Terry founded the pro-life organization Operation Rescue, which he later abandoned. The group became particularly prominent beginning in 1987 for blockading the entrances to abortion clinics; Terry led the group until 1991."
Yep, pretty nasty guy. And per Catholic Church et al, was doing the right thing, though perhaps by illegal means. But the end justifies the means ... per Karl Marx.
"Sam Harris. ... Samuel Benjamin Harris (born April 9, 1967) is an American author, neuroscientist, and podcast host. His work touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence."
OK guy, bit of a secular Buddhist.
Randall Terry may not be around any more, but his ilk certainly are.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 14, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
Randall Terry may not be around any more, but his ilk certainly are.
There are scorpions under every rock. Just don't go around lifting rocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvHEBYZq8k
They've been slowly heating up the water that holds the frog, and now it's near to boiling.
Good, I love to hear live lobsters scream their last (Jordan Peterson theory) ;-)
"To prove his point, Peterson uses the example of lobsters, which humans share a common evolutionary ancestor with. Peterson argues that, like humans, lobsters exist in hierarchies and have a nervous system attuned to status which “runs on serotonin†(a brain chemical often associated with feelings of happiness)."
Socialism is just total denial of biology. People aren't equal, except in their delusions. Replacing capitalist millionaires with apparatchik millionaires. Karl Marx and family would have starved to death, without the support of rich soy boy Friedrich Engels. Bernie Sanders is a millionaire. Corbyn in GB is a millionaire who has twice the assets of millionaire PM Boris Johnson. Same as French Revolution, except that Robespierre was killed before he could profit. And Napoleon used his profits to make war.
Latest conspiracy theory ....
"Bloomberg Considers Hillary For Running Mate" ... or should Hillary use Bernie Sanders as her Trojan Horse?
Apopka preacher and Trump spiritual advisor tells churchgoers to pay her instead of their bills (https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/02/18/apopka-preacher-and-trump-spiritual-advisor-tells-churchgoers-to-pay-her-instead-of-their-electricity-bills)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efMpwiIrGGA
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Corrupt looks out for corrupt.
Trump doesn't drain the swamp, he swamps the drain.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2020, 03:10:09 PM
Trump doesn't drain the swamp, he swamps the drain.
To be fair, we all swamp the drain
We do?
Quote from: Munch on February 19, 2020, 04:22:11 PM
Yep. Where as the lions swamp the plain.
Are there enough Catholic priests to exorcise all these Dems? They do seem to have a demonic possession ;-) I want to see Nancy Pelosi turn her head around 360 like that little girl.
We need another harmonic convergence. Or maybe we just need harmonica virgins.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2020, 06:18:52 PM
We need another harmonic convergence. Or maybe we just need harmonica virgins.
Talent is rare. Saw a short video last year of a woman picking up a pint of beer with her butt cheeks ;-(
Well, that sounds...entertaining...
LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2020, 06:21:39 PM
Well, that sounds...entertaining...
LOL
She was ... wearing a thong, I seem to recall.
Was she thinging a thong, too?
Maybe Trump thought he was reaching across the aisle. Blago was a corrupt Democrat.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 19, 2020, 10:57:08 PM
Maybe Trump thought he was reaching across the aisle. Blago was a corrupt Democrat.
If that's the case, I have beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 19, 2020, 10:57:08 PM
Maybe Trump thought he was reaching across the aisle. Blago was a corrupt Democrat.
The President, for good or ill, has unlimited pardon power per the Constitution. Thinking we know what politician A is thinking, is Monday morning quarterbacking.
Watched the best parts of the Dem Nevada debate after the fact ... first time the gloves have come off.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 19, 2020, 10:57:08 PM
Maybe Trump thought he was reaching across the aisle. Blago was a corrupt Democrat.
Yeah, that's Trump's version of a reach-around...
Monkey see, monkey doo doo! LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lx1exmoV7w
Don't insult monkeys! They are smarter than people. Have you ever seen a monkey hold down a job or pay alimony?
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 06:01:57 PM
Don't insult monkeys! They are smarter than people. Have you ever seen a monkey hold down a job or pay alimony?
I feel they should hire chimps to work retail jobs. When Karen demands to see the manager, Bobo instead eats her face.
That's from all the bath salts they eat?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
That's from all the bath salts they eat?
The manager just doesn't want to write them up, since he loves his face.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
That's from all the bath salts they eat?
Didn't the fad of eating Tide Pods started in California?
I dunno, did it? They may be quite tasty, but only with good hot peppers.
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It hurt itself in its confusion!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 23, 2020, 05:54:57 PM
I dunno, did it? They may be quite tasty, but only with good hot peppers.
Typical Californian ;-)
I don't have anything against politicians pedophiling our teens and pre-teens. They are above the law, after all!
I'd love to hear Trump scream "Get your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!" LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 24, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I'd love to hear Trump scream "Get your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!" LOL
So trump is Charlton Heston?
Nah, he's going to be in danger from the monkeys at the Taj Mahal.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 22, 2020, 06:43:07 PM
That's from all the bath salts they eat?
Funny name for a custom drug. Try epsom salt instead, but only on your feet.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 24, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
I'd love to hear Trump scream "Get your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!" LOL
Stop & Frisk Bloomberg? We all know that society is guilty, and it is mostly the fault of White males.
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Well, if you insist...
Fine. And when Hillary rides her broom into the Dem Convention ...
Yes, Trump created the coronavirus. Under orders from Putin ;-)
I guess it's time we knew about how our president grew up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhhCLpVAE8
Americans - genocidal slavers except for African-Americans and Native Americans. Were was Gandhi when we needed him in 1776?
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If I wanted to watch a creppily dolled-up blonde tell me that global warming is a chinese scam, I'd turn on Fox News.
I'll trust those who speak truth to power rather than those who speak power to truth.
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They had to hide the ice cream...
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2020, 06:28:44 PM
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If I wanted to watch a creppily dolled-up blonde tell me that global warming is a chinese scam, I'd turn on Fox News.
Embarrassing? Only if you don't accept a 17 year old Swedish communist as an expert. Today's politics is stupid, a battle between teenage blond girls? Let them wrestle in chocolate pudding.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 06:59:07 PM
I'll trust those who speak truth to power rather than those who speak power to truth.
Bwahaa ... you trust anyone? BS. We can trust, but because of habit. I trust the Sun to come up, until it doesn't.
2+2=4 ... therefore Castro and Sanders are ... idiots. Speaking math to idiots? Waste of time.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 04:11:27 PM
I guess it's time we knew about how our president grew up:
I think you mean 'was raised' or 'attained his current age'. He never grew up, he's emotionally still a Terrible Two.
Correct. Some people go from diapered infancy to diapered old age, without missing a beat ;-)
"Democratic debate was 'a cage fight with old people'" ... my daughter is right about this.
Quote from: trdsf on February 27, 2020, 01:40:24 AM
I think you mean 'was raised' or 'attained his current age'. He never grew up, he's emotionally still a Terrible Two.
Yeah, I should have used quotation marks around "grew up." LOL
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There really is a Trump tweet for every occasion.
Trump incompetence may have sparked coronavirus outbreak in US (https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/a-corrupt-response-and-cover-up-trump-admin-appears-to-have-sparked-coronavirus-outbreak/)
Trump admin muzzles coronavirus expert (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-anthony-fauci-trump-admin-stops-discussion-2020-2)
Trump is Satan .... says atheists ;-)
How about ... all historical events are driven by conspiracy theories, all of which are false. Because the people/mob are piles of shit.
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I gotta tell you guys, I love being simultaneously viewed as a commie who hates "job creators" and a plutocrat worshipper who hates working stiffs. And also a godless pro-sharia anti-religious atheist. This narrative makes a whole lot of sense.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 29, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
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I gotta tell you guys, I love being simultaneously viewed as a commie who hates "job creators" and a plutocrat worshipper who hates working stiffs. And also a godless pro-sharia anti-religious atheist. This narrative makes a whole lot of sense.
Yeah, doesn't it. Yet close to 50% of the voters are buying it. I am close to thinking that this country really is just too stupid to last much longer.
You'd think all those poor people wouldn't be able to "buy" anything, much less the BS the plutocrats regurgitate.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:22:46 PM
You'd think all those poor people wouldn't be able to "buy" anything, much less the BS the plutocrats regurgitate.
You never heard of credit and pay-day-loans? The poor can afford anything the rich want to stick them with.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 29, 2020, 08:43:13 AM
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I gotta tell you guys, I love being simultaneously viewed as a commie who hates "job creators" and a plutocrat worshipper who hates working stiffs. And also a godless pro-sharia anti-religious atheist. This narrative makes a whole lot of sense.
Or maybe all of the narratives are false? Maybe you are just a regular guy/gal? Ideology is a good way to avoid thinking.
Being a Republican is a way to avoid thinking - but not a good one.
America's finest stable geniuses weigh in on coronavirus:
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Yeah, corvid-19 is just another Chinese hoax.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 08:14:36 PM
Yeah, corvid-19 is just another Chinese hoax.
Like medical version of Chinese handcuffs (tube with one finger in each end) … Roundeye not smart enough to escape that!
Quote from: Baruch on February 28, 2020, 11:03:31 AM
Trump is Satan .... says atheists ;-)
LIES! Satan is the HERO of the Buy-Bull! Low body count, tried to help a guy in the desert, and he never lied.
Compare to YHWH and his genocidal rampages.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 08:14:36 PM
Yeah, corvid-19 is just another Chinese hoax.
Chinese government would have liked the rest of the worke to think that way
Quote from: SvZurich on February 29, 2020, 08:57:39 PM
LIES! Satan is the HERO of the Buy-Bull! Low body count, tried to help a guy in the desert, and he never lied.
Compare to YHWH and his genocidal rampages.
https://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-many-has-god-killed-complete-list.html
Quote from: Munch on March 01, 2020, 04:34:51 PM
Chinese government would have liked the rest of the worke to think that way
Apparently that's how our government wants us to think about it. At least, according to Trump's chief of staff, Mulvaney. He also wants us to turn off our TVs, just like we would for any other looming crisis.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2020, 05:21:48 PM
Apparently that's how our government wants us to think about it. At least, according to Trump's chief of staff, Mulvaney. He also wants us to turn off our TVs, just like we would for any other looming crisis.
You still watch TV? How is using an abacus instead of a smart-phone working out for you?
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Well, that's embarrassing.
Is it true, though? Or is it just a meme?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 02, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
Is it true, though? Or is it just a meme?
Auntie Meme, first woman President!
Auntie Meme is anti-meme...
Trump does not ask himself "What can you do for your country?"
Instead he asks "What can your country do for you?"
Actually he asks "What can our country do for me now?"
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 01, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Well, that's embarrassing.
Unfortunately according to Gallup's latest poll (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx) Trump's approval rating is as high as it has ever been. Between February 3 and 16 more people approved of his performance than disapproved for the first time ever. The really bad news is this approval includes 43% of independents. That's bad because he probably only needs to capture about 37% of the independents to get reelected.
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 02, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Trump does not ask himself "What can you do for your country?"
Instead he asks "What can your country do for you?"
JFK was son of Irish-American Mafia boss. They didn't kill him until after his dad (the LuckyCharmsFather) passed ;-)
Nothing JFK said was true, or he would never have been elected.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 03, 2020, 01:00:45 AM
Unfortunately according to Gallup's latest poll (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx) Trump's approval rating is as high as it has ever been. Between February 3 and 16 more people approved of his performance than disapproved for the first time ever. The really bad news is this approval includes 43% of independents. That's bad because he probably only needs to capture about 37% of the independents to get reelected.
Biden will put on black-face, and claim he is only imitating the PM of Canada ;-) That will get the necessary plantation votes. If Hillary had been a Black woman, enough Blacks would have voted in 2016 to put her over the top. The Dems should have nominated Michelle Obama in 2016 and now, to capture that demographic.
Trump didn't catch my Independent vote in 2016. Wouldn't this year either, if I were still voting. Would vote for Tulsi Gabbard if she ran as an Independent … she is the only person serious about taking down the Little Rock Mafia. Did y'all realize, that Biden and Sanders are both older than Trump? That Trump was the oldest elected President in 2016, and will be the younger candidate this year?
"Schumer's "Dangerous & Direct" Threat To The Supreme Court Sparks Bipartisan Backlash" ... if mere words can get you impeached, why not "Knuckles" Schumer ... a Dick Tracey villain if I ever saw one!
"Schumer Apologizes For Threatening Supreme Court Justices; McConnell Calls "Astonishingly Reckless"" ... civil war averted. Play nice, children!
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If we pool our money, we can get gravely sick people the help they obviously need! But that's nothing like socialism. It's more like community health stewardship or something.
Communists are only community, in a gulag. I get community from my Unitarian-Universalist fellowship. They aren't a government, they are liberal but not psychotic.
Yes, to try to keep the human race from going extinct (worst case) should we adhere to ideology? Left would adhere, because they would love to exterminate the human race, if they don't get their way. All Stalin/Mao every day.
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Communism! It's so insidious that it disguises itself as caring for people in need. Its evil has no bounds!
I am happy if you give your entire salary/bank account away. Leave mine alone, it is for my family. Otherwise you die (sarc).
Yangs vs Comms ... Star Trek Classic.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
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Communism! It's so insidious that it disguises itself as caring for people in need. Its evil has no bounds!
That's what I have found so astounding about the christian fear and hatred of 'communism'. First they don't understand that there is not and never has been, one brand of 'communism'. And more importantly, what Jesus taught is communism.
Yeah, try to explain that to them, though! LOL
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 09, 2020, 02:45:09 PM
That's what I have found so astounding about the christian fear and hatred of 'communism'. First they don't understand that there is not and never has been, one brand of 'communism'. And more importantly, what Jesus taught is communism.
Church not Bible. Pope not Jesus. Jesus was a BuJew communist (per early Jerusalem congregation). This is a good reason why the Jewish and Roman hierarchy killed him, and only a fake version of his message survived. Notably, Protestants claimed to correct this, but mostly didn't. Please see Shakers. They were closest to NT, not even the Amish are that close. Both groups would be pacifist. Shakers are extinct (no sex). Amish are nearly extinct (too much horse shit).
So why am I not a Christian? One reason, I am not a communist. Another reason, I am not a pacifist. The Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican churches did have a do-it-yourself communism however ... monks and nuns. Anyone here want to go to a secular commune? Yeah, that is a monastery/nunnery without the robes and prayers.
Bernie was kicked out of the kibbutz/commune (they are secular) in Israel, because he is a lazy fuck. My older god-sister joined but later left a matriarchal commune 50 years ago, because of ... matriarchy. The only thing a woman hates more than a man in charge, is a woman in charge ;-) The kibbutz is mostly dead in Israel, same with most 60s communes in the US.
Trump secretly fears catching coronavirus, fears journalists will deliberately try to infect him (https://theweek.com/speedreads/900981/trump-reportedly-told-aides-fears-journalists-purposefully-try-infect-coronavirus-air-force)
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 08:57:15 PM
Trump secretly fears catching coronavirus, fears journalists will deliberately try to infect him (https://theweek.com/speedreads/900981/trump-reportedly-told-aides-fears-journalists-purposefully-try-infect-coronavirus-air-force)
Haha ... being a Democrat is a virus (sarc). So you are saying he is paranoid? I would be. Adam Schiff ... looks like Boris Karloff.
Schiff doesn't look anything like Karloff! He looks more like someone who might have played in Law and Order.
Are we tired of winning yet?
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 02:05:36 PM
Are we tired of winning yet?
No. Been losing retirement funds since Jan 1 ... I need more winning!
Trump tried to buy coronavirus vaccine being developed by German company (https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-that-donald-trump-tried-to-buy-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine/)
Quote"The American regime has committed an extremely unfriendly act," said Social Democrat MP Karl Lauterbach, who said that German health workers on the front lines â€" as well as people around the world â€" needed to have access to something developed in Germany, and that no country should be able to purchase exclusive access to the vaccine.
"Capitalism has limits," he said.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 15, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
Trump tried to buy coronavirus vaccine being developed by German company (https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-that-donald-trump-tried-to-buy-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine/)
I find this appalling but I'm sure there are "America First" conservatives who think this is a great idea.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 15, 2020, 10:59:54 PM
Trump tried to buy coronavirus vaccine being developed by German company (https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-confirms-that-donald-trump-tried-to-buy-firm-working-on-coronavirus-vaccine/)
I have outrage fatigue. I can't even get incensed anymore. And no matter what he does, anywhere from 30-40% of the country will just swear that it's the most brilliant thing ever.
This is why "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.
Quote from: trdsf on March 16, 2020, 01:37:27 AM
I have outrage fatigue. I can't even get incensed anymore. And no matter what he does, anywhere from 30-40% of the country will just swear that it's the most brilliant thing ever.
This is why "May you live in interesting times" was meant as a curse.
I hope you get better. Overdosing on politics, in an election year, isn't healthy.
On Capitalism ... I would not only buy up all the TP and sanitizer, I wouldn't sell it to any Democrat. Not to kill them, just to annoy them ;-) And then I would give it away for free to my friends (no I don't support profiteering).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 08:07:28 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/coronavirus-video-trump-pandemic-team-cut-2018-a9405191.html
Conspiracy theory. And UK MSM is even dirtier and crazier than the American kind. Take The Guardian, please ... if you don't choose communism right away, you are all going to die ... I tell you ... Brexit was invented by Putin ... ayeee.
Borrrringg (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-appointees-trained-pandemic-response-in-2016-2020-3)
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
Borrrringg (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-appointees-trained-pandemic-response-in-2016-2020-3)
Biden is demented. Hillary is evil.
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People choose, at a personal level, corporate level, government level. In the case of corporations thru representation by management (on behalf of stock and bond holders). In the case of governments by politicians (on behalf of voters). You may not like not being in charge. You might not like the decisions made by our "representatives". If you don't like your own decisions, then change them.
Yes, money and other resources can be allocated differently tomorrow than they were yesterday, in theory. In practice we are still the same stupid shits tomorrow as we were yesterday. Of course, on a selfish level, I want more government support for my daughter's handicap, and I don't care if you crawl under a rock and die ;-) What I don't support is grifters trying to get 6 figure salaries with no expertise to justify it (see Hunter Biden) to serve as my TP commissar.
Saw two Osprey aircraft fly over this afternoon, flying low, to the local airport. Looked like the Marine Corp kind. Get ready for martial law, jarheads!
What is your political system if Trump and Progressives unite, and are the Left of the neo-Lib Dem establishment?
Politics is all about emotion and prejudice ... "Liberal NPCs Hate Russia, Conservative NPCs Hate China"
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-intelligence-warned-trump-of-pandemic-in-january-2020-3
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 21, 2020, 09:12:58 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-intelligence-warned-trump-of-pandemic-in-january-2020-3
The US/Britain have been working on bio-weapons for over 10 years (at least since 2007). The US and the Soviet Union had a protocol to control that, but the rise of China has upset all those Cold War agreements. China is a big researcher and espionage actor in all aspects of bio-weapons. So I am sure that Trump knew all about this (classified) long ago. The US has had a pandemic national plan since 2003.
So, should Trump have closed the US to all travel in January? Would have been smart to do so. In fact, he should have declared a national emergency (as now declared) as soon as the Dems stopped trying to coup him out of office ;-) Those Dems, who are fellow travelers for China and Ukraine.
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Science is hard.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 22, 2020, 12:53:13 PM
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Science is hard.
Self appointed MDs, or MDs operating out of their area of expertise ... Darwin Award candidates.
BTW ... beating te CDC to the punch (easy since they are bureaucratic slugs) ... got tonic water (with quinine). Don't have antibiotics, but at least I have one component to fight it, if I get it. And it mixes well with some alcoholic bases ;-) The alcohol will have to substitute for the antibiotics. Israel has donated a huge number of HCQ doses ... probably enough to cover all the Jews in NYC.
Trump cultist dies after drinking the flavor-aid (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3)
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 05:31:57 AM
Trump cultist dies after drinking the flavor-aid (https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3)
Self medication is ill-advised. But if I am going to die anyway, and have no alternative, I will do it. If it helps or harms, I won't credit or condemn anyone else including the President.
Thanks for the continuous proof that TDS is a mental illness worse than Covid ;-)
Texas Repug: "Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy" (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick)
Psychic Republicans know what's best for your (surviving) family. Also, you don't deserve healthcare cause that's socialism.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 07:31:53 AM
Texas Repug: "Older people would rather die than let Covid-19 harm US economy" (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/older-people-would-rather-die-than-let-covid-19-lockdown-harm-us-economy-texas-official-dan-patrick)
Psychic Republicans know what's best for your (surviving) family. Also, you don't deserve healthcare cause that's socialism.
Well, this is a political string. In other news, Dems are evil. Mirror images of Repubs, who are evil. Does it matter what handedness evil is?
Long term lockdown ... equals dead economy, which equals dead finance, which equals dead banks, which equals dead Americans. At some point, put away your "super suit" and realize that people are going to die, regardless. But a long term lockdown isn't how WW II was fought. It is suicidal. In that case Alex Jones was right all along. And yes, grandparents aren't long for this world, even in normal times. It is called aging, not Covid.
The ultimate in Middle Class/Bourguoise values are ... every day will be like the last, with health and prosperity, that gets better and better every day.
One good thing about mega-death is that there will be, temporarily, fewer ass-holes around - Thanos
I want the bumper sticker "Thanos Did Nothing Wrong" ;-)
People stay indoors for a month -> disease stops spreading, healthcare system deals with existing cases, Trump's not-socialism check comes in = financially difficult, but not a death sentence
People go out and about -> disease spreads like wildfire, healthcare system gets overwhelmed, panic sets in (riots?), YUGE deathtoll, but that's okay because Goldman Sachs had a decent first quarter
Hmmm...which scenario is better for america? *pretends to literally weigh the options in each hand, right arm strains and snaps like a matchstick*
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 08:00:39 AM
People stay indoors for a month -> disease stops spreading, healthcare system deals with existing cases, Trump's not-socialism check comes in = financially difficult, but not a death sentence
People go out and about -> disease spreads like wildfire, healthcare system gets overwhelmed, panic sets in (riots?), YUGE deathtoll, but that's okay because Goldman Sachs had a decent first quarter
Hmmm...which scenario is better for america? *pretends to literally weigh the options in each hand, right arm strains and snaps like a matchstick*
Half-true. I am retired, I can stay almost indoors indefinitely. Sending the kids (not in school) to Grandma's ... is a death sentence for Grandma. I don't have grandkids yet. Temporary support checks to real people would be welcome, but not if it comes in months from now (rent due end of this month). Also it can't go on forever. Yes, be Thanos, decide the life/death of billions of people ... authoritarian wet dream. This why is why it is good to be the King.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGCjqzB2jPA
The French, what canards!
Quote from: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 01:10:10 PMYes, be Thanos, decide the life/death of billions of people
This is literally how politics works and has always worked, no matter the system of government. Every day, someone is making those kinds of calls. And every day, the public reaps the consequences. Hence my utter disdain for "this is a candidate I could have a beer with" (or similarly superficial) voters.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 05:31:31 PM
This is literally how politics works and has always worked, no matter the system of government. Every day, someone is making those kinds of calls. And every day, the public reaps the consequences. Hence my utter disdain for "this is a candidate I could have a beer with" (or similarly superficial) voters.
Consumers ... consume food and drink, consume political promises, consume debt ... we are distantly related to the sponge.
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GOP: Pro-Life for life
Also GOP: Weaklings die, big deal.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 05:31:31 PM
This is literally how politics works and has always worked, no matter the system of government. Every day, someone is making those kinds of calls. And every day, the public reaps the consequences. Hence my utter disdain for "this is a candidate I could have a beer with" (or similarly superficial) voters.
then, why even vote?
Quote from: Munch on March 26, 2020, 09:43:24 PM
then, why even vote?
Because I want better policy? I thought that might be obvious.
I'm curious to know where you got "voting doesn't matter" out of "policy results in major consequences for the public".
"This Chinese virus is trying to turn me into a Democrat. It's got me staying at home, not working, complaining about everything and waiting on my stimulus check." … quoting meme off the Internet … and every quarantined feminist ;-)
Better policy?? You have to be in executive office yourself to get your better policy. Every American policy …
Conan: Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women!
Trump admin shields opioid pushers from criminal charges (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/trump-admin-saved-walmart-from-facing-criminal-charges-over-opioid-sales-report.html)
Thought most people here are pro-drug.
Opioids are not weed.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 27, 2020, 02:57:04 PM
Opioids are not weed.
Prejudice? Not saying bad things about weed. Drug abuse .. I mention .. not which self medication you use. Yes, weed users so so superior to alcoholics and smokers and vapers, right? Certainly superior to those who use harder drugs, right?
Cocaine isn't oxycontin ... so?
I think impeachment is a dead issue until after the pandemic and after the election. The Sword of Damocles fell and missed.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on March 29, 2020, 10:24:18 AM
I think impeachment is a dead issue until after the pandemic and after the election. The Sword of Damocles fell and missed.
Sword of Damocles is an old Sicilian story. Capiche? Andrew Cuomo will be drafted at the Dem Convention ;-)
"ADAM SCHIFF TO LAUNCH INVESTIGATION OF COVID RESPONSE, THESE PEOPLE DON'T LEARN DO THEY?" ... OMB ... bwahaha
What does Biden leading the Dem nomination prove? Democrats are shape shifting aliens, what do they normally look like? They look like old White pedophiles who steal millions in foreign aid to other countries ;-)
https://v.redd.it/jmqwzg5ybvq41
So disappointed.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 05, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
https://v.redd.it/jmqwzg5ybvq41
So disappointed.
It takes a romantic (not sex) disposition on both sides, to live in close proximity. I am still friends with my Ex. Think of all the festering marital problems that have been forced into the open. But resolving these (non violently) is key to moving on to a better relationship or a new relationship.
Kissinger, Gates and Brown (UK) have all come out, as Chinese agents .... we need a one world government, thru the UN, as controlled by China.
People here love to look down their noses at others but ...
"A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him." - Alexis de Tocqueville
So is dictatorship OK, as long as the Ds put the D in dictatorship?
Quote from: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 06:11:54 PM
People here love to look down their noses at others but ...
"A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him." - Alexis de Tocqueville
So is dictatorship OK, as long as the Ds put the D in dictatorship?
hence why i don't vote anymore.
Quote from: Munch on April 05, 2020, 10:02:33 PM
hence why i don't vote anymore.
With the collective guilt idea of SJW, you are guilty even if you don't vote.
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The vote-harvesting proposal in California is terrible (ward healers going door to door to get ballots from their party members). Mail in voting based on good driver's license is OK. People with less ID are disenfranchised. Of course I wouldn't count fake driver's licenses handed out in some states to illegal migrants as legit. Gotta get it the hard way (RealID). Technically voting should be electronic during this pandemic. It could work the same way as the census (which was on-line). But in that case FBI/CIA can freely change the results on the back end. Your local precinct officers are usually reliable senior citizens.
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Not pictured: any health experts, anyone with a brain
Not just Trump, but Pence is now declaring that his authority is "absolute".
The worst part is that I wouldn't hold my breath on the GOP not supporting that idea.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 05:44:22 PM
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Not pictured: any health experts, anyone with a brain
Are you presently working in a medical field or plan on doing so? Otherwise, no, doctors don't have much to do with your immediate employment.
On the other hand, economists are usually completely wrong. I would never employ one of those. Dems would never employ business people as jobs experts, they want Bernie's communism right now.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2020, 06:03:32 AM
Not just Trump, but Pence is now declaring that his authority is "absolute".
The worst part is that I wouldn't hold my breath on the GOP not supporting that idea.
If said so, it isn't true. Trump is noted for hyperbole. From the Truman to Nixon administrations, the President in an emergency had total control, because of nuclear holocaust. There would be no SCOTUS or Congress to balance the system. The President would be aloft in Air Force One, directing a nuclear war. Because of Watergate, this power was removed from the POTUS (good move). The President does control the Executive Branch and the Armed Forces .. with Congressional and SCOTUS oversight. This is messed with thru partisanship ;-(
But Shiranu, clearly you want Left revolution of some kind. If Trump was a Dem, say like Bernie ... don't you want a one party state like China?
I will admit, it's a reference that goes over my young head... but from what I have read of the plot, Trump comparing himself to Captain Bligh is both incredibly on-brand and incredibly stupid.
https://slate.com/culture/2020/04/mutiny-on-the-bounty-trump-tweet-explained.html
QuoteBut Shiranu, clearly you want Left revolution of some kind.
I wouldn't necessarily say a left revolution, I don't know how much politics really are involved, but one of the working class against the aristocracy, and preferably one not brought about by violence... though I think the window for that being inevitable is closing more and more.
Over time power always likes to centralise itself into the hands of the few... and it has to be taken back and dispersed so that it becomes harder to abuse.
QuoteIf Trump was a Dem, say like Bernie ... don't you want a one party state like China?
If Trump was a Dem, I would still despise him because it's nothing to do with his party affiliation but everything he stands for. He is the embodiment of the American capitalist dream, the ultimate end goal.
I don't care if there is 1 party or a million; all I care about is that the people in charge are competent and not plagued with corruption; something a one-party system generally fails out, so it would not be my first or second choice.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2020, 10:28:02 PM
I will admit, it's a reference that goes over my young head... but from what I have read of the plot, Trump comparing himself to Captain Bligh is both incredibly on-brand and incredibly stupid.
https://slate.com/culture/2020/04/mutiny-on-the-bounty-trump-tweet-explained.html
Capt Bligh was a great captain. Mr Christian was a criminal.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2020, 10:31:27 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say a left revolution, I don't know how much politics really are involved, but one of the working class against the aristocracy, and preferably one not brought about by violence... though I think the window for that being inevitable is closing more and more.
Over time power always likes to centralise itself into the hands of the few... and it has to be taken back and dispersed so that it becomes harder to abuse.
If Trump was a Dem, I would still despise him because it's nothing to do with his party affiliation but everything he stands for. He is the embodiment of the American capitalist dream, the ultimate end goal.
I don't care if there is 1 party or a million; all I care about is that the people in charge are competent and not plagued with corruption; something a one-party system generally fails out, so it would not be my first or second choice.
Well it is easier to avoid the curse of wealth, than it is to acquire it ;-) Revolutionaries are all Puritans. The founder of the Cheka (KGB) was a seminary student, same as Stalin. If the world isn't perfect, then the world should be destroyed.
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I can't believe these arguments can become this absurd and Trump can win again. Having said that, I've been amazed too many times how compelling political bullshit can be to many conservative voters, no matter how idiotic it seems.
"CNN WAS JUST CAUGHT RUNNING CHINESE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA, QUIETLY EDITS THE ARTICLE IN SHAME" ... Pravda of the DNC.
"DISGUSTING VIDEO SHOWS TRUMP DERANGEMENT COUPLE STEAL TRUMP FLAG WHILE CHILD BEGS THEM TO STOP" ... a doctor couple and their two children, one of their own children begged them to stop. Same thing happened to Trump signs on lawns during the 2016 election. Dems are disgusting deplorables ;-)
"CNN'S JIM ACOSTA BECLOWNS HIMSELF DEFENDING CHINA AS MEDIA REPORTS THEY LIED AND CAUSED THE PANDEM.." ... CNN correspondents work for IT.
"Declassified Horowitz Footnotes Show Obama Officials Knew Steele Dossier Was Russian Disinfo Designed To Target Trump" ... Horowitz tried to hide the content of his FBI review, in secret footnotes, revealed thru FOIA request. Of course Obama is a warmonger, a Russian agent ... see Uranium One. Obama was a monster ... which is why I voted for him twice. Obama's own mother died shortly before his inauguration. He probably had her liquidated to keep her from talking too much to the press (sarc). I can respect a parricide.
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Yeah, I don't even have words for him at this point. Everything that needs to be said has been said ad nauseam. He just grows worse and worse.
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Shiranu ... needs fulfillment of Das Kapital ... army of the unemployed, then violent revolution led by woke cadre (see Shiranu's CV).
"Twitter Outlaws Political Satire, Civil Disobedience With Fresh Bans Of Conservative Influencers" ... Twitter is best investment CCP ever made.
"Trump Tweets "Liberate Michigan" As Gov Says Reopening Could Start May 1" ... Michigan governor saw the protestors, thought twice about continuing 4th Reich in Lansing.
"'Secret' National Guard Unit Ready To Enforce 'Martial Law' In Washington DC" .... 1932 again? Where are MacArthur, Eisenhower and Patton? They knew how to deal with pesky protestors.
"FACEBOOK IS BANNING LOCKDOWN PROTESTS AT GOVERNMENTS REQUEST AS DRONES ARE DEPLOYED TO SPY ON US" ... this CIA agency will help maintain order.
"MEDIA NOW CLAIMS TRUMP IS "ANTI GOVERNMENT" SO ANTIFA BECOMES PRO GOVERNMENT NOW??!" ... AntiFA is communist. For progressives government = communism. Since Trump is clearly a capitalist (unlike Ukraine grifting Biden), he is clearly anti-communist, hence anti-government ;-)
What is cultural Marxism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqJ9IpWOYQA
Just like a Dem party meeting ... personality cult of Hillary.
Funny how the only states the Oval Orifice thinks need to be "liberated" are the ones with Democratic governors. Ohio was one of the first states to go into lockdown, is still in lockdown, and is going to remain in lockdown to one degree or another for the foreseeable future... but Governor DeWine is a Republican so the rules are different for him.
Quote from: trdsf on April 21, 2020, 06:36:52 AM
Funny how the only states the Oval Orifice thinks need to be "liberated" are the ones with Democratic governors. Ohio was one of the first states to go into lockdown, is still in lockdown, and is going to remain in lockdown to one degree or another for the foreseeable future... but Governor DeWine is a Republican so the rules are different for him.
I would nuke Dem states ;-) That is the way to liberate them. What, Republicans should support the Democrat narrative?
Mr Vaccine, Bill Gates, has never vaccinated his own children.
Quote from: Baruch on April 21, 2020, 07:07:10 AM
I would nuke Dem states ;-) What, Republicans should support the Democrat narrative?
That's because you're unhinged.
Quote from: Sal1981 on April 21, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
That's because you're unhinged.
Voted as a Dem for 20 years ... case closed.
"Trump Orders Navy To "Shoot Down And Destroy" Iranian Gunboats" ... yes, buzz Navy ships and planes ;-(
"Forget The Pandemic, This Could Kill 90% Of US Population" ... one good EMP blast can take down the entire US power grid. It would be down for a year, because the transformers are only made in China. Without electricity for a year, 90% of Americans would eat each other. Think war is a good idea?
"Documents Reveal Feds Are Excited To Create A Mass Surveillance Network" ... as developed by the Chinese and manufactured by them ... same in GB.
States want to take advantage of the current emergency for the Federal government to bail out all their bad investments/pensions for the past 20 years. But ...
"McConnell says he favors allowing states to declare bankruptcy" ... oops, NY, CA, IL, MI etc. Maybe best idea since President Ford told a bankrupt NYC to "Drop Dead" ... that was a memorable newspaper headline.
"Trump Says "No" To World Money" ... moving the world currency from the petro-dollar to the SDR (special drawing rights ... which is BIS money) is part of a dual prong strategy of the BRICs (now mostly China and Russia, because India and Brazil are partly detached), which includes the RMB (Yuan). This isn't the same as defending a non-existent gold standard (obsolete since 1971). A badly managed move of the US Dollar or British Pound or Chinese Yuan to gold, is extremely deflationary (aka depression making) as Chancellor of the Exchequer, Winston Churchill, found out in 1925 when he tried to take the Pound back to gold (been off gold since 1914). The US financed the Entente during WW I, on a gold standard enhanced with the first Federal Reserve Notes (1917).
Because of the Great Depression under a gold standard was deflationary, FDR took the US off the domestic gold standard, though the US stayed on the international gold standard (with debased US Dollar) until 1971. Nixon took the US off the international gold standard, because of France trying to destroy the US by drawing down our gold reserves. After the oil shock of 1974, the US has been on a petro-dollar since then. But that is why the price of a barrel of oil is important! China can't get on a petro-Yuan except by developing oil reserves in the S China Sea (that are partly in the territory of surrounding nations) ... hence why their military action there is important. Not just because the Chinese navy needs to try to control the flow of oil from the Middle East to China in the meantime.
China has also moved to try to have the largest gold reserve (in competition with the US and India and Germany (with Italy, France etc)) ... hence the move over the last 20 years of much of the market gold (and former British gold reserve) being sent to Switzerland for refinement and shipment into China thru Rothschild agents in Hong Kong. Russia has significant gold holdings as does Japan.
For the EU, North Sea oil production peaked in 1999, twenty years ago. This has put pressure on the Euro (in so far as it is oil backed). Germany and Netherlands have significant gold, and put pressure on Switzerland, which also has significant gold. Italy and France have significant gold, and one of the threats against Italexit or Frexit, is Germany/Netherlands demanding their gold as the price. To protect Germany/Netherlands against a failure of the Euro, there is a contingency plan for Germany/Netherlands to abandon the Euro themselves, into a New Mark (supposedly already printed by Merkel).
Gold is a barbarous relic? In 2014, then a Nato backed bloody coup overthrew the government of Ukraine, the Ukraine gold reserves were immediately airlifted away to "safety". Chavez in Venezuela, got in trouble, demanding the return of "off shore" storage of the Venezuela gold reserves back to Caracas. This was eventually accomplished (because much gold in other central reserves are temporarily "leased" out to other governments). Under Maduro, Venezuela gold is being sold into the international market (low oil prices), and mostly going to China and Russia (Venezuela allies). France and Germany have also been in the gold-repatriation business. Presumably to provide backing for a New Mark, if necessary (hard to do that if the gold is leased out to others).
http://www.usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/top-10-countries-with-largest-gold-reserves/#.XqHUhi-ZNTY
http://www.usfunds.com/investor-library/frank-talk/top-10-gold-producing-countries/#.XqHdfi-ZNTZ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D1nK7q2i8I
Of course N95 masks and HCQ could be more valuable than gold ;-)
Supplemental:
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/forex/06/centralbanks.asp
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/reserve-assets.asp
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/03/120903.asp
PS ... Hot off the currency printing press ... capiche?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIblypPCOUQ
Gold O-furo in Japan ... a previous one weighing 176 lbs, was stolen in 2007.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwMCdZ7hWT4
Another gold theft ... a giant gold coin from Canada, stolen from a German museum ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-trial-coin-theft/four-men-go-on-trial-for-theft-of-giant-gold-coin-from-berlin-museum-idUSKCN1P41KM
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Posted a month ago.
This is why speculative investors often get burned. It is legalized gambling. Only Native Americans are allowed to do that ;-)
Dems: I bet I could win over even Trump supporters with a rational argument backed up by verified facts.
Trump supporters: (https://i.imgur.com/4SSZcr0.jpg)
Unfortunately, politics isn't rational, it is emotional. And all about grifting (using government to live off of others). There is no reason anyone needs to go back to work, just Yang the whole economy (Yang proposed a supplemental income) with everyone getting full support from the Fed printing press?
This is the same thing happening in the EU (so this is a disease of First World economies) ... basically S Europe wants to live off of N Europe. E Europe wants to live off of W Europe. EU wants to live off of Britain (for a little while longer). GB has given up. Germany will also give up.
"If you do not rescue us, we will default, leading to a European banking crisis, high losses for the ECB, and a severe depression. So, you better bail us out." - Yanis Varoufakis
US faces a different situation with state/county/city debt default.
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Dems and Commies love fake pictures. Like the one with AOC at the border children lockup. Reminds me of Stalinist photos back-edited after downfall of Stalin associates.
Is this like Obama getting a Nobel for being a warmonger?
"Narrative Managers Argue China-Like Internet Censorship Is Needed" ... who are these people? CIA/FBI.
"Schiff Blocks Release Of Declassified Russia Probe Transcripts, Keeping Americans In The Dark" ... same as with his second Ukraine-gate whistle blower. When will he come clean on his relationship with a Ukrainian arm-merchant oligarch? His great-grandfather was a banker for the Bolsheviks.
"Politico Quietly Admits Their 'Trump Owes China Millions' Article Was Fake News With Midnight Correction" ... news is in headlines. Retractions are on the back pages after the obits. Biden of course didn't know it was fake, or where he was, but he quoted this lie.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 26, 2020, 02:17:39 AM
Dems: I bet I could win over even Trump supporters with a rational argument backed up by verified facts.
Trump supporters: (https://i.imgur.com/4SSZcr0.jpg)
Unfortunately, this is a fake (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/barack-hussein-obama-covid-sign/)... however well it encapsulates the knuckledraggers.
USA - #1 in mutual hate.
Meme … “If I die, I want Hillary to get all my pantsuits†- Dictator Kim
"Any man who sacrifices freedom for security, deserves neither." Benjamin Franklin.
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
Quote from: Baruch on March 22, 2020, 02:18:13 PM
Self appointed MDs, or MDs operating out of their area of expertise ... Darwin Award candidates.
BTW ... beating te CDC to the punch (easy since they are bureaucratic slugs) ... got tonic water (with quinine). Don't have antibiotics, but at least I have one component to fight it, if I get it. And it mixes well with some alcoholic bases ;-) The alcohol will have to substitute for the antibiotics. Israel has donated a huge number of HCQ doses ... probably enough to cover all the Jews in NYC.
I heard that Trump is invested in the company that makes that hydrochloraquil stuff. Anyone know about that?
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 29, 2020, 05:43:07 PM
I heard that Trump is invested in the company that makes that hydrochloraquil stuff. Anyone know about that?
All Republicans get advanced notice of disasters, to help inside trading? Poor Dems locked out of the old-boy-network?
India runs the HCQ business. Trump visited India, because a few years ago, he bought the whole country ;-) Trying to buy Greenland was a distraction!
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 29, 2020, 05:43:07 PM
I heard that Trump is invested in the company that makes that hydrochloraquil stuff. Anyone know about that?
Yes, he has a financial interest in the company that produces it. But it seems to kill the people who take it to combat the virus. And the drug is now scarce so my neighbor has to pay 100 times more for it--and she has lupis and has to have it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 29, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Yes, he has a financial interest in the company that produces it. But it seems to kill the people who take it to combat the virus. And the drug is now scarce so my neighbor has to pay 100 times more for it--and she has lupis and has to have it.
Only take medicine under the direction of a doctor, of course. India is shorting the supply for their own Covid patients. So if one has stock/bonds one is disqualified from all participation in government? Like those 4 Senators who did insider trading before the market swooned? Dr Fauci has a financial interest in the vaccine Bill Gates is working on.
Quote from: trdsf on April 28, 2020, 12:52:56 PM
Unfortunately, this is a fake (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/barack-hussein-obama-covid-sign/)... however well it encapsulates the knuckledraggers.
Damn. It gets harder and harder to tell real stupidity from fake stupidity as the years go on.
Well, the real one is still decidedly dumb, just not omega-tier dumb.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 26, 2020, 02:17:39 AM
Trump supporters: (https://i.imgur.com/4SSZcr0.jpg)
I think COVID should equal 5.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 29, 2020, 11:20:01 PM
Damn. It gets harder and harder to tell real stupidity from fake stupidity as the years go on.
Well, the real one is still decidedly dumb, just not omega-tier dumb.
Poe's Law, unfortunately, is a thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law).
We would be better off if The Onion was writing the headlines ;-(
Covid is a 5? How about dialing it up to 11? (This Is Spinal Tap) Worldwide depression followed by world war?
More on monetary theory vs politics ...
""It's A Weapon For The US" - China Official Renews Calls To Dethrone The Dollar" ... all money must be controlled by the CCP ... for the children.
Etc ...
"New WHO Guidelines Encourage European Kids Under 4 Be Taught "Masturbation" & "Gender Identity"" ... this is why most parents want to put liberals in cages ;-(
"Unsealed FBI Handwritten Notes, Emails Reveal Agents Plotted Perjury Trap On Flynn" ... his own defense attorneys withheld exculpatory evidence! In the US, you are guilty until you prove your innocence (which won't happen unless the Powers allow it). And the police agencies can entrap you without legal consequence to themselves. That is what the FBI and CIA were doing with the Boston Marathon bombers. Comey and Muller tried the same on Trump, but Guliani etc prevented the big-mouth in the WH from going along.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 29, 2020, 07:50:09 PM
Yes, he has a financial interest in the company that produces it. But it seems to kill the people who take it to combat the virus. And the drug is now scarce so my neighbor has to pay 100 times more for it--and she has lupis and has to have it.
Trump does not care how many people the drug kills, as long as he makes bigly bucks.
Quote from: trdsf on April 30, 2020, 09:39:35 AM
Poe's Law, unfortunately, is a thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law).
I know. I was there. Nathan Poe made many good points and arguments on that forum.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 30, 2020, 01:24:35 PM
Trump does not care how many people the drug kills, as long as he makes bigly bucks.
Kill all capitalists .... Mao Tse Tung
Quote from: Baruch on April 30, 2020, 02:35:57 PM
Kill all capitalists .... Mao Tse Tung
Verily, I say unto to you! Who knew just how ungodly right he was, too!!!
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
Verily, I say unto to you! Who knew just how ungodly right he was, too!!!
You are Unbeliever's brother by another mother? ;-)
Yes, we need millions of people murdered in America, just like in China 1949 - today.
Quote from: Baruch on April 30, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
You are Unbeliever's brother by another mother? ;-)
Yes, we need millions of people murdered in America, just like in China 1949 - today.
Yes, the Unbeliever are brothers. And the capitalists are not the millions anywhere, even in the USA. The 1% ers are in the same boat with christians; they can all disappear and the world would become a better place!
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
Yes, the Unbeliever are brothers. And the capitalists are not the millions anywhere, even in the USA. The 1% ers are in the same boat with christians; they can all disappear and the world would become a better place!
How much money have you taken from corporations who do business with China? Apple, Microsoft, DNC ... (rhetorical question).
People are annoying monkeys. Upper class monkeys are the most annoying. How far will you go to stop that? (rhetorical question).
Trump to replace watchdog with one who won't bark so loudly (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/us/politics/trump-health-department-watchdog.html)
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 02, 2020, 11:35:22 AM
Trump to replace watchdog with one who won't bark so loudly (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/us/politics/trump-health-department-watchdog.html)
Hitler insists that only Jewish stormtroopers are kosher ;-)
There is a hierarchy of assets in Finance ... from 2016:
http://www.juliourvina.com/2016/02/john-exters-inverted-pyramid-assets/
Notice what is at bottom? The stuff at the top is what blew up the world finance system in 2008, and is still out there, a wounded beast waiting for its next kill ...
"Trump Says Dr. Fauci Will Testify To Senate, Slams Dem-Controlled House As "A Set-Up"" ... any student of Republican Rome knows that only the Senate matters, not the Popular Assembly! Et tu, Hillary?
"Facebook's New Censorship Czar Is Anti-Trump Leftist Who Made Barron A Punch Line" ... picking on the youngest Trump ... such power!
"Turkey Has Recruited 11,000 Mostly Syrian Mercenaries To Fight In Libya" ... Erdogan sultanate continues to conquer!
"China Readies Unveiling Of Stealth Nuclear Bomber Capable Of Reaching LA" ... agree that Trump created Covid or we nuke you! Chinese technology stolen from USA courtesy of R and D party traitors.
"LBMA Gold Price benchmark ignoring market conditions, short-changing investors" ... What is the LBMA? London Bullion Market. This is where fake gold/silver etc prices are fixed by The City (not actually part of London or GB ... as DC is not part of Maryland or the US). There are "paper contracts" on precious metals, that function commercially like gold certificate dollars and silver certificate dollars used to prior to 1933/1965. A kind of commercial paper money that has some minimal relationship with precious metals. The real governments (DC and The City) manipulate these markets, to control the price of actual gold etc. This works because the number of paper ounces can be freely expanded or contracted by the bullion banks, since commercial purchasers of these contracts (similar to the monthly contracts for crude oil) almost always roll over their contracts, or convert them to cash, not to precious metal. This system breaks down if contract holders demand delivery of actual precious metal, since the bullion banks don't actually have the gold etc on hand. They have issued 50 to 100 times as much paper gold etc as gold they have on hand. This breakdown started because of the stock/bond market swoon. Also larger supplies of precious metal are leased, and the bullion banks can't call these leases back at will. Most to the gold in Ft Knox may be leased out.
"He Is "An Innocent Man" - Trump Happy After DoJ Drops All Charges Against General Flynn" ... take that, Obama, Hillary etc.
"Kansas Officials Signal Readiness For 2nd Lockdown Ahead Of November Election" ... so they know there is a second wave, and when it will be? Bwahah.
More general news:
"One Trader Started The Day With $77,000 In His Account; By The End He Owed $9 Million" ... don't trade on margin
"Facebook Censorship Council Includes Pro-Muslim Brotherhood Activist" ... added to Trump hating Feminist as lead. Much like GB, all religions can be criticized except Islam. Based on my past experience with Facebook, they are completely biased (they didn't like my post that was anti-Catholic).
"Multimillionaire Celebrities Demand 'End Of Capitalism' From Comfort Of Their Luxury Mansions" ... we need to ban the making of movies and TV shows in the US. Move it all to Shanghai.
"China Says That If It Has To Pay For COVID-19, US Has To Pay For AIDS, 1918 Spanish Flu" ... no, we need to take back the fall of the Ching Dynasty. Restore monarchy to China, make all 90 million communist party members into eunuch servants of the Forbidden City.
PS ...
"Twitter Defends China After State Department Identifies Coronavirus Propaganda Network" ... anyone on Twitter is an enemy of the State ;-(
Pence's press secretary recently came down with covid.
(https://i.imgur.com/2dxb2ot.jpg)
Go ahead and take a wild guess as to which one it was.
Yes, Trump is the virus!!
Quite a few Secret Service agents have it. And Aides. This is normal spread of a virus. Not proof that Republicans are shape shifting reptilians.
Sup, bitches.
How has everything been?
Also, saw some good news that Trump's personal valet was diagnosed with the 'rona, so maybe he and that giant scrotum of a VP will keel over sooner rather than later.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html
and a bonus:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pence-exposed-to-coronavirus-at-white-house-wont-quarantine-2020-5
What a magnificently beautiful ironic twist that would be...
A man can dream, I guess
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PM
Sup, bitches.
How has everything been?
Also, saw some good news that Trump's personal valet was diagnosed with the 'rona, so maybe he and that giant scrotum of a VP will keel over sooner rather than later.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html
and a bonus:
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pence-exposed-to-coronavirus-at-white-house-wont-quarantine-2020-5
What a magnificently beautiful ironic twist that would be...
A man can dream, I guess
I would not be surprised if some of that was fake. Trump wanting to appear invincible. Walking tall in a valley of death, LOL.
Quote from: Cassia on May 09, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
I would not be surprised if some of that was fake. Trump wanting to appear invincible. Walking tall in a valley of death, LOL.
I had not thought of that. Don't know why, since everything he says is a lie. You have a point.
Quote from: Cassia on May 09, 2020, 07:14:13 PM
I would not be surprised if some of that was fake. Trump wanting to appear invincible. Walking tall in a valley of death, LOL.
Nobody is invincible. Not Trump, not Hillary. Hubris remains a "thing". So what can ordinary people do to avoid hubris?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 09, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
I had not thought of that. Don't know why, since everything he says is a lie. You have a point.
People keep inventing new conspiracy theories. That Emperor Xi is part of the Elite, along with Trump. That Covid is the beginning of Agenda 2030, starting early. Reminds me of the idea that Neville Chamberlain and Adolph Hitler weren't that far apart in 1938 ;-( That WW I and WW II were deliberate if messy population culling by the Rothschilds and the Rockefeller family.
PS ...
"EU end inches closer. German court says "NO" to Eurobonds" ... without spreading the debt burden for Covid, the S European members will exit. N Europe will lose the ability to not only exploit GB and E Europe, but S Europe as well. Frexit is possible since the EU is now more unpopular in France than in GB.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXowZf2UMAEnmiJ?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Now remember, the odds are they are 1/100000% black, so we need to respect their identity.
Also the grinning lady at the back there, she might have sold them the merc
He looked directly in to an eclipse. He isn't the smartest lightbulb in the shed.
And also, another update, Pence finally went in to quarantine, so there's that.
QuoteNow remember, the odds are they are 1/100000% black, so we need to respect their identity.
That shit annoys me to no fucking end.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 10, 2020, 07:38:02 PM
That shit annoys me to no fucking end.
So not an Elizabeth Warren fan? Everyone ultimately comes from Africa ;-) In fairer Roman times, being enslaved was a matter of non-racial politics. You could even become enslaved on debt, because there was no bankruptcy. Of course, one could be hateful to the majority of humanity which has some Neanderthal genes.
MLK was a gun totting Republican.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 09, 2020, 06:27:48 PMSup, bitches.
How has everything been?
Also, saw some good news that Trump's personal valet was diagnosed with the 'rona, so maybe he and that giant scrotum of a VP will keel over sooner rather than later.
Unlikely. People are tested before they enter his rank presence, you can't just stroll right in (shame the same can't be said of Miss Teen USA dressing rooms)
Bear in mind that when he goes on TV and says that stores can reopen because everything is fine - privately, it's a whole different story.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 10, 2020, 08:32:21 PM
Unlikely. People are tested before they enter his rank presence, you can't just stroll right in (shame the same can't be said of Miss Teen USA dressing rooms)
Bear in mind that when he goes on TV and says that stores can reopen because everything is fine - privately, it's a whole different story.
The upper class is a club, and you aren't invited. Bitter yet?
A historical lesson in government intervention in the markets ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3jZobYUxT4
This is what happened in 2008/2009 and in 2020. Where did most of the commercial bailout money go to? The Playing Card Guild.
"Declassified Doc Exposes FBI Spy Saying Israeli Mossad Spies Need To Be F**king Kicked Out Of USA, Executed" ... FBI has been anti-semitic since the 1920s, when most American communists were Jewish. So it remains a problem, though maybe for different reasons than the anti-semitism of the GB Labour party (driven by Muslim members).
What the hell was Trump talking about with his remarks about 'Obama-gate'?
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 12, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
What the hell was Trump talking about with his remarks about 'Obama-gate'?
It is quite clear that Obama (who I voted for twice) is a clone of Nixon made from Nixon's nose (see the movie Sleeper). Obama wasn't asleep when all the mistaken or illegal actions taken by his WH (specifically the Attny General, FBI, CIA) in the 8 years he was there, happened. Perhaps President Biden can sleep thru his whole first term, if he lives that long ;-( Obama did manage to avoid one mistake his clone nose did in the 1970s .. he didn't tape all his Oval Office conversations ;-) but the private notes of his FBI Keystone Cops were retained. Because of complete partisan viciousness an innocent man was railroaded, so the Trump JD finally dropped all charges against him (Flynn). The civil suits against the malefactors will be epic. Other Russiagate prosecutions have failed already, but are completely ignored by the MSM.
The transcripts came out, that Adam Schiff was hiding under Congressional Intelligence privilege, with limited redaction. There are serious demands that Schiff resign in disgrace. Where the Obama administration officials said one thing in public to the Media, then denied everything when under oath (back in 2017-2019). It is quite clear that Obama as President orchestrated the lynching of General Flynn, who was known to be not guilty ... for the purposes of getting him to tell them all about the piss on the bed in Moscow story in the paid-for-by-Hillary garnered by corrupt MI6 agent Christopher Steele (who knew it was false, and contained information fed to him as disinformation by the Russians). It is likely that Obama was helping Hillary any way he could, even by illegal means.
The minions of Obama are not guilty of lying to Congress, but they are guilty of lying to the public. Their reputations are forever dead, if they weren't already. Comey, Lynch, Rice, Brennan, Clapper are a total loss as public servants. If eany of them, who was in the big meeting with Obama (early Jan 2017), fingers Obama as the ring-leader ... then basically Obama is a Nixon clone. Using government means to destroy opposition politicians, including a Republican Presidential candidate, during his campaign, during his transition, and all thru a Republican President's term of office, for purely political pique (same as Nixon) is a felony. Either that or Nixon and his minions didn't do anything wrong and need to be rehabilitated.
In prior malfeasance, there was a raid on the NSA database by government contractors (FBI connected) that was against the law, and shut down in April 2016. The FBI was furious and wanted the head of the NSA fired for locking it down as result of an audit. It is estimated that 85% 2012-2016 NSA data requests were illegal. This was news back in 2016 that I remember, but we didn't know why. The FBI found it necessary to suborn Trump campaign officials thru fake FISA requests (most all of which have "irregularities" aka lying to the FISA judge) so they could have resumed legal access to the NSA data. The FBI knew the Steele report was crap, but used it in their FISA request anyway. When I was a computer administrator, I had access to some privacy act material all the way "to the top". If I accessed that for any inappropriate reason, I would be in Leavenworth now, not Farmington.
Comey revealed the salacious parts of the report to Trump, when he entered office, in the hope he would resign in disgrace (but didn't tell him all the other Watergate Plumber work they were doing). Since Trump is shameless, that failed, as it did when they revealed the dossier to the public during the campaign. Comey did manage to bully General Flynn into a false confession to protect his son from being ruined by Comey (in addition to himself). General Flynn's first lawyers turned out to be working for Eric Holder (disgraced former Attny General) and betrayed their own client (this came out in recently revealed lawyer's documents from his defense that his crooked defense were withholding)). When Flynn realized he was screwed from both sides, he withdrew his guilty plea, and held out to avoid prison. Basically all the people Obama brought into his administration were Wakanda Mafia ;-(
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 12, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
What the hell was Trump talking about with his remarks about 'Obama-gate'?
Loosely translated: "AAAAAH!!!! I FUCKED UP MAJORLY AND NO ONE BELIEVES ME WHEN I SAY I DIDN'T MAYBE IF I THROW ENOUGH SHIT AROUND SOMETHING WILL STICK WHETHER IT'S DELUSIONAL OR NOT AAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!"
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 12, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
What the hell was Trump talking about with his remarks about 'Obama-gate'?
He's got it in his head that if he attaches "-gate" to anything he doesn't like, it diverts attention away from himself: "What I just got caught in a lie? Hey, look over there."
Quote from: trdsf on May 13, 2020, 06:25:44 AM
Loosely translated: "AAAAAH!!!! I FUCKED UP MAJORLY AND NO ONE BELIEVES ME WHEN I SAY I DIDN'T MAYBE IF I THROW ENOUGH SHIT AROUND SOMETHING WILL STICK WHETHER IT'S DELUSIONAL OR NOT AAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!"
Nixon did nothing wrong. As he said in his 1968 interview during his first campaign, if the President does it, then by definition it is legal. Applies to Obama too. If Obama shoots someone in Time Square in broad daylight, it is legal (remember this meme?).
Not saying Trump isn't a crook. George Washington was a crook, they all are.
Quote from: SGOS on May 13, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
He's got it in his head that if he attaches "-gate" to anything he doesn't like, it diverts attention away from himself: "What I just got caught in a lie? Hey, look over there."
It is legal for politicians to lie (but not under oath, see Bill Clinton). That is why the secret testimony was under oath. Unfortunately for the Obama administration, they told lies to the media (and everyone assumed that the secret Congressional testimony was the same narrative). Obama may still be OK, if he was asleep during his own administration (as Biden surely will be), didn't know what he had ordered his minions to do in Oval Office meetings (as revealed in several official (now unsealed) testimonies by members of his administration). Maybe they were just discussing a soccer game in Kenya? So it is possible that only his minions will take the fall, as Nixon attempted with his minions (but had those stupid tapes to make a liar of himself).
BTW - I would still vote for Obama, even though he made plenty of dumb mistakes. He speaks well, but is not as smart as he wants you to believe. But smarter than Nixon to be sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMt8qCl5fPk
Of course Dems immediately accuse all Republicans of this, because all Democrats are Jefferson Davis. So we will have to wait and see, if someone turns state evidence on Obama, like FBI tried to screw down others to turn state evidence on Trump ;-) Politics is the most dirty job of all.
Nixon, thru his opening to China thru his minion, Kissinger, is ultimately responsible for the vaccine development accident in Wuhan.
"MEDIA ONCE AGAIN BECLOWNS ITSELF TRYING TO REFUTE OBAMAGATE, BIDEN FORCED TO ADMIT HE KNEW OF FLYN.." ... Oh no, Biden wasn't senile when VP. Did he miss the meeting discussing Flynn, because he was too busy stealing money from Ukraine? Records show he was at the "smoking gun" Jan 5, 2017 meeting with the other conspirators working for Obama. Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Mitchell, Agnew, Colson ... brings back fond memories.
"LEGACY MEDIA SCRAMBLES TO LABEL OBAMAGATE A CONSPIRACY THEORY" ... bwahah. Waterboard all the MSM journalists at Guantanamo.
Gets better and better ;-(
"Unmasking The Unmaskers: Biden, Brennan, Clapper, & Powers Named In DNI Just-Released List" ... Biden tried to deny this yesterday
"John Brennan Concealed 'High-Quality' Intelligence That Russia Wanted Hillary Clinton To Win" ... CIA is treasonous? ... always has been. Deny Uranium One, I dare you!
Secret agents Halper, Mifsud (revealed in new transcripts) and Australian ambassador Downer, are all Clinton Foundation operatives, who attempted to suborn Trump operative Papadoupolos over the DNC hacking/Clinton email server.
"SUBPOENA OBAMA TRENDS NATIONWIDE AS REPUBLICAN CALLS FOR INVESTIGATION OF OBAMA ADMINISTRATION" ... calls for special counsel to review Obama administration
Wakanda Admin just one Fast & Furious disaster?
"In Stunning Move, Flynn Judge Appoints Gotti Prosecutor To Argue Against DOJ Dismissal" ... Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan has gone full activist, refusing to recuse himself over his prejudicial comments toward the defendant, and refusing to release Flynn from legal constraint at the request of the Attorney General, via making an opening for an amicus brief by an entity not party to the case (an anti-Republican activist group). Has retained retired judge John Gleeson (who prosecuted Mafia don Gotti) as prosecutor to argue against dismissal of the case. Trump should simply pardon Flynn if convicted of perjury concerning something that wasn't against the law (FBI frame up).
Judge Sullivan has previously denied amicus brief 24 times in this case, when filed by Republicans. SCOTUS held, just last week, that actions like this (allowing outside amicus) were an abuse of judicial practice. Usually amicus briefs are made so that one part of the government can intervene in the courts of a different part of the government (say Feds in a State court, because of Federal constitutional issues in the case). Amicus briefs that come from non-governmental activist groups are what the SCOTUS targeted.
So basically has Judge Sullivan has gone completely partisan, and should he be impeached and removed from the bench? Wakanda judiciary? Should all of Obama's judicial appointments be re-examined?
"LEFTIST INFLUENCERS ARE ABANDONING "THE RESISTANCE" AND PROMOTING "FAR RIGHT" THEORIES" ... exposing the totally mercenary nature of the MSM responding to their CIA bosses
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 01, 2019, 04:36:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpoJUvGGpdg
Good thing we have all that "Christian love" - it'd be hell if all we had is Christian hate.
This is
exactly what is going on here right now. There are open threats made via social media against the secular side. Not meek as this one though. You're not at that level I guess. Well, the election system is different and he didn't lose any election yet. The power here lost two major cities, including the capital in the previous local elections.
Haha ... there is a Pope in Rome. Controlled the world with the largest and oldest bureaucracy in history. Still dangerous as Hell. You Turks better be afraid, and leave Vienna alone ;-)
Yes, every televangelist nut job is a clear and present dystopia ... says Dem version of Alex Jones ;-)
If you don't support Stalin, that means you support Hitler (says every Leftist ever). Today, if you don't support the CCP, you are spawn of the Devil ;-)
If I recall correctly, Erdogan is working with Russia and Iran and China, to be part of the Eurasia conquest project. I will take my Christians over your Muslims any day, drunkenshoe.
""We Could Cut Off The Whole Relationship" - War Of Words Between Trump And Beijing Is Heating Up" ... don't want a new Cold War myself. Don't want a Hot War either. But if China, really wants to, attempt world conquest now, with all their strong 5th columnists in every other country ... it can't be prevented, just fought. But I have no confidence in any political leadership, ever. Not Left or Right. Psychopaths make history, unfortunately. It was Hitler and Stalin who made the first half of the 20th century, not Churchill, not FDR.
I just don't see the world as defined by the left or right. I see initiatives as being smart/stupid, efficient/inefficient, lacking/sufficient, moral/immoral, scientific/unfounded, etc. in degrees. I currently find Biden to be smarter, more scientific and most likely more caring of people than the incumbent egocentric and highly contradictory moron.
The proper amount of civil liberties afforded is a balancing act that has to shift around with the current environment. During dangerous times, free people often have to give up some of their freedoms. 'Pick up a rifle and live in a foxhole for years' is just one example. The winners in history are always those who can adapt with changing times and situations. Steadfast party affiliated dingbats just don't help much.
"Impeachment Boomerang: Contacts Exposed Between US Embassy & Hunter Biden-Connected Ukraine Energy Firm" ... former ambassador to the Ukraine, mis-remembered last Summer, regarding the extent of her knowledge of Burisma and Hunter Biden.
Trump just told the whole world that we have a 'super duper missile' that's 17 times faster than current tech. Shouldn't that be classified?
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2020, 01:07:39 PM
Trump just told the whole world that we have a 'super duper missile' that's 17 times faster than current tech. Shouldn't that be classified?
Probably, but the entire world knows what a lair he is, so I doubt anybody believes him.
well, except for the half of our country that are that stupid and have to stretch to reach a 5th grade education.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2020, 01:07:39 PM
Trump just told the whole world that we have a 'super duper missile' that's 17 times faster than current tech. Shouldn't that be classified?
Yes, it is talked about in the back of the newspaper in the Classifieds ;-)
Remember, when the President nukes something, it isn't against the law ;-(
They were talking about the hypersonic missiles that Putin tried to scare us with ...
https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-threat-and-proliferation/missile-basics/hypersonic-missiles/
There, now you can read all about it, and not have to sort thru all the yard sales ;-))
MikeCL ... if your SO looks just like Trump, I can understand your disturbed obsession ...
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2020, 01:11:00 PM
MikeCL ... if your SO looks just like Trump, I can understand your disturbed obsession ...
My obsession. Good one. Hillary.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 16, 2020, 01:14:08 PM
My obsession. Good one. Hillary.
I don't want to ravish Hillary for her looks, but for all her corrupt money!
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
I don't want to ravish Hillary for her looks, but for all her corrupt money!
But of course..................unlike trump who is honest to a fault in his words, deed, and his wealth. I can see where he is your idol. I know, your g_d made you like him--so, I can understand both your obsessions of the orange monster and Hillary--and your all powerful g-d, of course.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 16, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
But of course..................unlike trump who is honest to a fault in his words, deed, and his wealth. I can see where he is your idol. I know, your g_d made you like him--so, I can understand both your obsessions of the orange monster and Hillary--and your all powerful g-d, of course.
Yes, if I were Trump, then my all powerful G-d would be between my legs ;-) But I am a beta, not an alpha.
So when you and Trump were boys, did he beat you up, break your glasses, take your lunch money, take your girlfriend? That would explain the vain revenge fantasies ;-)
Speaking of myself, the whole psychodrama of imagining that someone you have never met, is your magical antagonist, is just projection of one's self into the protagonist role. Are you Theseus? Is Trump the Minotaur? I see Hillary as Medusa, and I am Perseus.
You've only got trump for another 8 months, isn't it? That said, anyone wanting to take his place better start stepping up.
You might even have the benefit of his voters gathering in tight groups during this pandemic
Quote from: Munch on May 16, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
You've only got trump for another 8 months, isn't it? That said, anyone wanting to take his place better start stepping up.
You might even have the benefit of his voters gathering in tight groups during this pandemic
Predictions are hard to make, particularly the ones involving the future ;-) We don't have transition here like you do in Parliament. Fighting over the transition was the cause of the current scandal regarding Obama vs Trump. GB has a shadow cabinet that is "job ready" in case your "government" (aka the governing side of the legislature) falls. Technically in GB, your civil service is most of what we call the executive branch, and like in the US, they keep things on an even keel (they are the permanent governing body aka Deep State). Our elected POTUS/VP and cabinet officers (an incoming President gets to change out about 5,000 positions) don't even have had to have ever served in any legislative capacity. As Dr Starkey would analyze, there are problems with the American model (which were invented to escape the problems with the British model).
As far as executive leadership (in all three branches of the Federal Government) are concerned, the US has had a complete breakdown since 2016. None of the elected or appointed officials seem to be worth a damn. As corrupt as any other banana republic. So the question of competent governance is moot.
Quote from: Munch on May 16, 2020, 04:29:06 PM
You've only got trump for another 8 months, isn't it? That said, anyone wanting to take his place better start stepping up.
You might even have the benefit of his voters gathering in tight groups during this pandemic
That's what the MAGA-hatted knuckledraggers are doing. And I had a terrible debate with myself over whether starting that last sentence with 'fortunately' would be over the line or not.
Quote from: trdsf on May 17, 2020, 08:38:50 AM
That's what the MAGA-hatted knuckledraggers are doing. And I had a terrible debate with myself over whether starting that last sentence with 'fortunately' would be over the line or not.
Yes, death to the deplorables, all of them ;-)
How about death to the 1960s? OK, Boomer?
"Democrats launch investigation into President Donald Trump" ... over firing of SD employee ... this is what got President Andrew Johnson (19th century) in trouble in the first place. Congress decided that the Executive Branch didn't need separation of powers.
"BUSTED. Marie Yovanovitch caught lying to protect Creepy Joe" ... Crooked Dem ambassador to Ukraine is ... crooked.
(https://i.redd.it/y5utuovaxcz41.jpg)
Premature celebrations. No need to celebrate until China is victorious over the US, EU and the rest of the world.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 16, 2020, 01:07:39 PM
Trump just told the whole world that we have a 'super duper missile' that's 17 times faster than current tech. Shouldn't that be classified?
When a US president says something classified to the public, he -probably- automatically declassifies the information by saying it. And again this probably has a category limit, but if memory serves right he did this on more serious issues than 'we have super duper missiles'. That's not really information,lol.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 18, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
When a US president says something classified to the public, he -probably- automatically declassifies the information by saying it. And again this probably has a category limit, but if memory serves right he did this on more serious issues than 'we have super duper missiles'. That's not really information,lol.
If Clinton or Obama had said it, they would be in prison right now. The orange monster can say and do anything he wants and nobody does anything. That does not bode well for the 2020 election.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 18, 2020, 03:42:00 AM
When a US president says something classified to the public, he -probably- automatically declassifies the information by saying it. And again this probably has a category limit, but if memory serves right he did this on more serious issues than 'we have super duper missiles'. That's not really information,lol.
That was officially done with the Trump-Ukraine President phone call last summer. That way the Dems couldn't make false claims about the content. Though they tried to anyway, by bringing in disgruntled employees who weren't party to the call, but had anecdotal information about it.
Remember, TDS is a serious illness.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
If Clinton or Obama had said it, they would be in prison right now. The orange monster can say and do anything he wants and nobody does anything. That does not bode well for the 2020 election.
Correct, and both should be in prison ;-)) Both are agents of foreign powers. Trump is an agent of "money". Which all communists consider to be a bad thing.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people." - John Adams 1798
Y'alls inspiration comes from degenerate European intellectuals like Lenin ;-)
"The most terrifying words in the English language are: “I’m from the government and I’m here to help"" - Ronald Reagan
I say, waterboard enemies of the State, until they develop gills! (sarc)
"Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor" ... OK for one side to leak, ok for other side to leak
"House Dems Tell Supreme Court That They Are Preparing For A New Impeachment" ... the civil war will not be broadcast
"Senate GOP Compile Massive Subpoena List For FBI Abuse Probe; Demand Unredacted Susan Rice Letter" ... anal probe to follow
"Declassified Rice Email Confirms Obama, Biden And Comey Targeted Flynn" ... about that unreacted Rice letter ...
PS ...
"Leaked audio reveals Biden & Kerry mafia tactics in real Ukraine quid pro quo" ... Kerry and Biden worked together to protect their son's connection to Burma.
"Barack Obama & Susan Rice: Cover up and crimes" ... jan 5 2017 smoking gun meeting
"GOP Senators Issue Subpoena In Biden-Burisma Probe" ... Ds have their House-Alien probe, Rs have their Senate-Alien probe.
"Susan Rice Was Directed By Obama White House To Draft Inauguration Day Email To Herself" ... this was cover for the Jan 5, 2017 conspiracy meeting in the Oval Office. Similarly, one of the few LBJ tapes when he was in office (Nixon wasn't the first) ... is the call between LBJ and J Edgar talking about how surprised and concerned they are about the Kennedy assassination. This is planting post-facto fake evidence.
"Nada For Nadler: Supreme Court Blocks House Democrats From Receiving Mueller Grand Jury Material" ... guess they will have to rehire disgraced British spy, Christopher Steele. Nadler wants to prove that Mueller was secretly working for Trump and the KGB, all along.
"Sen. Hawley Lays Out Super-Nationalist, Anti-China Vision" ... China is the new Russia
"Senators Introduce Bill Sanctioning Chinese Officials, Banks Over Hong Kong Crackdown" ... it was fine before Covid
"Trump Threatens "Very Strong Reaction" If Beijing "Interferes" With Hong Kong" ... he is more popular there than in the US
"Trump Is "Exposing The Deep State Like No One Since JFK", Former CIA Spook" ... don't give speeches in Dallas
"Alphabet, Microsoft and Amazon have all been caught providing tech services to several companies that were added to a US blacklist last year" ... Alphabet = Google ... they work to assist the Chinese communist dictatorship
"Iranian Tankers To Reach Venezuela In Next 24 Hours Amid "Threat Of Imminent Military Force By US"" ... could have war over Venezuela protected by Russia and China. Trump has just deployed an elite Marine unit to deal with Iranian patrol boats threatening US Navy ships in the Strait of Hormuz.
(https://i.redd.it/n2bhv8ih3r051.jpg)
So much winning.
Yeah, Pencs said we'd have it behind us by Memorial Day.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 24, 2020, 05:57:05 PM
Yeah, Pencs said we'd have it behind us by Memorial Day.
I can show my behind to anything, any time I like ;-) So Pence isn't God? Count me surprised ;-)
(https://i.redd.it/kh7mz8vn7j051.png)
Honor amongst theives.
I thought at the time, if Sessions had to recuse himself on so many things, he should have resigned on his own. So someone without prior complications could do the job.
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-feds-gave-a-former-white-house-official-3-million-to-supply-masks-to-navajo-hospitals-some-may-not-work
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 25, 2020, 09:51:56 PM
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-feds-gave-a-former-white-house-official-3-million-to-supply-masks-to-navajo-hospitals-some-may-not-work
Free non-functional masks are superior? Of course even those, weren't donations. The Chinese don't do donations. And we were fools to base all our medical supplies in a foreign country, even if they weren't hostile. EU countries, during the panic, even tried to keep their PPC going to other European countries.
If the US had a pandemic plan from 2006, we can see that three successive Administrations failed to fund it. Both parties were too busy taking Chinese bribes.
"sarcastic tone* Oh no (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-find-new-gop-convention-site-if-north-carolina-governor-wont-allow-full-attendance), please don't have your weird troglodyte party somewhere else. Anything but that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 26, 2020, 11:09:27 AM
"sarcastic tone* Oh no (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-threatens-to-find-new-gop-convention-site-if-north-carolina-governor-wont-allow-full-attendance), please don't have your weird troglodyte party somewhere else. Anything but that.
Given that NC is a Covid hot spot, I wouldn't be moving the R-Convention there!
For those who haven't see it. A quiz--
What borders on stupidity??
Canada and Mexico
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 26, 2020, 01:31:32 PM
For those who haven't see it. A quiz--
What borders on stupidity??
Canada and Mexico
You are welcome to join the Soy PM in Ottawa ;-) Unless that takes you to far from Mexico ganja ;-)
I just got a letter in the mail from Donald Trump. I wasn't sure if this was his signature or his EEG.
(https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/trumpsig-1.jpg)
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2020, 02:21:30 PM
You are welcome to join the Soy PM in Ottawa ;-) Unless that takes you to far from Mexico ganja ;-)
I'd be tempted to move to Canada, but we were officially rejected about 12 yrs. ago--too old and not enough money.
Quote from: Baruch on May 26, 2020, 11:18:27 AM
Given that NC is a Covid hot spot, I wouldn't be moving the R-Convention there!
Partially due to the idiot mob Trump raised and partially due to the poor bordering on malicious national response. You can't piss the bed and then complain about the smell.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 26, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
Partially due to the idiot mob Trump raised and partially due to the poor bordering on malicious national response. You can't piss the bed and then complain about the smell.
Not only can trump complain about the smell, he will blame it on you.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 26, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
I'd be tempted to move to Canada, but we were officially rejected about 12 yrs. ago--too old and not enough money.
Generally speaking, and I am sympathetic since I know other public figures who moved to Canada when George W Bush was elected .... nations that accept immigrants and looking for either a working age person, who has a needed skill (doctor etc) or who can bring a lot of money (a bribe). Some nations to have "exceptions" to their immigration laws. My own Ex would like to move to Italy under an exception (she is half Italian by ancestry). But I think their bad Covid cases have cooled her interest. Basically she would move anywhere that has supposed "Free medical care".
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 26, 2020, 03:41:50 PM
Partially due to the idiot mob Trump raised and partially due to the poor bordering on malicious national response. You can't piss the bed and then complain about the smell.
Is that you, Christopher Steele ... licensed to lie?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 26, 2020, 05:29:05 PM
Not only can trump complain about the smell, he will blame it on you.
Typical politician. Insanity is expecting the same thing over and over, and failing every time aka democracy.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on May 26, 2020, 03:00:03 PM
I just got a letter in the mail from Donald Trump. I wasn't sure if this was his signature or his EEG.
(https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/trumpsig-1.jpg)
I shredded mine. I'm thinking of sending the pieces back and requesting instead a signed letter of apology for the piss-poor federal response to the pandemic.
Quote from: trdsf on May 27, 2020, 04:23:43 AM
I shredded mine. I'm thinking of sending the pieces back and requesting instead a signed letter of apology for the piss-poor federal response to the pandemic.
Did you send your money back too? With a thank you in Chinese to the CCP?
"These FBI Docs Put Barack Obama In The Middle Of The 'Obamagate' Narrative" ... FBI was concerned that if they involved Obama, it would make him look guilty if it came out. They went ahead and involved him anyway (Jan 5 2017 meeting). The FBI is pretty biased and incompetent. They failed to give the President plausible deniability ;-(
"Satellite Images Confirm Rapid Chinese Military Expansion On Disputed Indian Border" ... they didn't stop at their usual insults/slap fight ;-(
"Trump Offers To "Mediate" India & China's "Raging Border Dispute" Amid Military Build-Up" ... meaningless gesture. China and India hate each other.
"House Votes To Send New China Sanctions Bill To Trump's Desk" ... passed quickly by Senate. Not clear if Trump will sign it (he likes to control the flow).
"NSA's Social Network Mapping is More Vast, Omnipresent, & Horrifying Than Snowden Revealed" ... all your identity belong to us.
"Wikipedia Co-Founder Says Site Is 'Badly Biased'" ... it is clear that Wiki was CIA funded, and that political entries are plain vanilla. But other articles are still good ;-)
"Armed citizens guard stores amid looting in Minneapolis: report" ... pretty clear the police were brutal and need to be charged. Young people won't remember that this isn't unusual in the US during the onset of Summer. Last time, LA 1992 riots, April/May ... over police brutality ;-(
Ferguson Riots were more recent and smaller ... August 2014.
"AG Barr Asks Kavanaugh-Connected US Attorney To Probe Obamagate 'Unmaskings'" ... list of fellow conspirators with Obama
"Senator Says China Tariffs Will Now Apply To Hong Kong As Beijing Approves "National Security" Law" ... China law planned for September, so no world war before then.
"White House Expels Chinese Grad Students With Ties To People's Liberation Army" ... we need to expel our professors and US students too. We don't need more communism.
Meanwhile in Europe ...
"Oligarchy, Xenophobia, & Soul-Crushing Surveillance - Yanis Varoufakis Exposes The Dystopian 'Lost Decade' Ahead" ... even a Marxist finds Euro-communism depressing.
"Russian Gas Flow To Europe Drops As Poland Transit Deal Expires" ... Russians don't want to mess with Ukraine or Poland. Nord Stream is turned on, going from St Petersburg to Germany thru the Baltic Sea. Russia and Germany make natural partners, but will it end better than the Hitler/Stalin pact of 1939?
PS ...
"28 North Koreans Charged In Sweeping Conspiracy To Launder $2.5 Billion For Nuclear Program" ... trying to get money laundering outside of NK. I really don't think SK or Japan are a threat to NK.
""US Lawmakers Propose Total Ban On STEM Visas For Chinese Students"" ... competition to legislate populism. The current order would only block 3000 out of 350,000 Chinese students in the US. This expansion would block more.
"Russia Readies Test Of Nuclear-Powered "Doomsday-Drone" Torpedo" ... not nuclear tipped, just a very long distance, autonomous, torpedo. The problem is, like the recent incident of friendly fire in the Iranian navy ... what happens if you have a glitch after you release it? SNAFU. Actual weapons don't have a kill-switch, because ...
"Greece Sends Military To 'Build The Wall' Amid Renewed Turkish 'Migrant Chaos' Threats" ... taking a page from Trump. Build a wall, keep Mexicans and Turks out (and their pseudo refugees).
"Ted Cruz Accuses Twitter Of Violating Sanctions Against Iran, Demands DoJ Probe" ... you can't block Trump tweets unless you also block tweets by enemies of the US.
"Macron's new 'hate speech' internet law turns France into authoritarian state" ... from the guy who thinks he is the new Napoleon
Sauce?
Reality isn't real, it is just a bad "trip". Take another dose of LSD?
"Trump Blasts "Antifa, Radical Left" After Minneapolis Officials Blame "White Supremacist... Terror Cells" For Rioting, Looting" ... Trump is correct on this one. I see no neo-Nazis marching thru Black neighborhoods, robbing, raping and murdering. The Mongols remain exceptional! Minneapolis is one part of America even more Left than California (also Vermont). Most pols in Minnesota should be waving the Soviet flag, marching on the Winter Palace (or the Corn Palace in Nebraska).
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/trump-secret-service-george-floyd-protesters-white-house
Just when I think he's hit a new low...
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 30, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/trump-secret-service-george-floyd-protesters-white-house
Just when I think he's hit a new low...
Even individual crazy people who attack the WH, die. Don't listen to cheap Communist rags. Read Jacobin, on-line. Real French radicals.
If a mob of people attacked Obama in the WH, I would agree they should be shot down too. The Secret Service does terrible work (failing keeping out random trespassers because guard is in the john). Let them earn their salaries.
I'm curious about the 'ominous weapons'.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 02:03:11 PM
I'm curious about the 'ominous wepaons'.
There are all sorts of new classified weapons since 9/11 ... mostly for crowd control. My favorite is the infrared death ray (microwave popcorn people).
Do you seriously believe they will kill protestors with laser weapons? I'm asking because, I am taking you as a sample to estimate how many crazy people out there actually think that would happen and might act accordingly. I mean whatever they think they could do against that.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 02:10:20 PM
Do you seriously believe they will kill protestors with laser weapons? I'm asking because, I am taking you as a sample to estimate how many crazy people out there actually think that would happen and might act accordingly. I mean whatever they think they could do against that.
I would ;-) As a warning to others. Both Dem and Rep are criminal elements, top predators. Agenda 2030 ... eliminate 7 billion deplorables, so the remainder are easier to control. Even Chinese people support this (too many people in China). So if a mega-genocide is possible, killing protestors is a warm up (joke).
You are just another egg-head intellectual, useful to some powerful elite. Like Notker the Stammerer, who helped out Charlemagne. Chuck could only mark his "X". You aren't in a class that understands power. Even Roland was left to his fate, for the good of the whole.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 02:10:20 PM
Do you seriously believe they will kill protestors with laser weapons? I'm asking because, I am taking you as a sample to estimate how many crazy people out there actually think that would happen and might act accordingly. I mean whatever they think they could do against that.
Shoe--you take Baruch seriously at your own peril. He has not made a 'serious' post in years. And he exaggerates as much and lies as much a trump. He is not an honest or truthful (or factful if you prefer) person.
Not really. :) But I know he is a member of a very crowded, very real group. So keeping an eye on him for simple impression. LOL
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 30, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
Shoe--you take Baruch seriously at your own peril. He has not made a 'serious' post in years. And he exaggerates as much and lies as much a trump. He is not an honest or truthful (or factful if you prefer) person.
I am serious about being a closet Stalinist. And not supporting democracy (because it only enables useful idiots). Both R and D opposed "deplorables" but don't agree on which 48% it is. I don't think Trump is a Stalinist and he does support democracy. So never voted for him. Voted for Obama twice (in hope he would damage the US). Will not vote again after 2018 (that would be hypocritical).
Yes California Raisins are truthful ;-p They are masters of "currant" news ;-)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 03:17:31 PM
Not really. :) But I know he is a member of a very crowded, very real group. So keeping an eye of him for simple impression. LOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
Try it yourself, it won't hurt ... much ;-) Cops have to try out being tasered ... they tell me that hurts too.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 30, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/trump-secret-service-george-floyd-protesters-white-house
Just when I think he's hit a new low...
The Oval Orifice never bottoms out. He just hires a backhoe and keeps going down.
Yeah, just wait until he gets his second term.
Quote from: Unbeliever on May 30, 2020, 08:20:02 PM
Yeah, just wait until he gets his second term.
No need, just cancel elections ...
"Supreme Court rejects challenge to limits on church services; Roberts sides with liberals" ... not surprising, that and Citizen's United and ACA ... SCOTUS is a part of the government. The government (all of them) want absolute power. SCOTUS enables this, bit by bit. With no civil rights, you can have one of three ear tags ... Bull, Cow or Steer.
"Live Nuclear Testing Could Resume In 'Months' At Nevada Site If Approved" ... supposedly the Chinese have tested small nukes this year, contrary to treaty. Treaties don't matter as long as you are Communist and Han master race.
Internet meme ...
"Didn’t the KKK publicly resist Republicans, perpetrate terror, incite violence and mayhem under disguises all because their side lost too?"
(https://preview.redd.it/fgidyxp3rc251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=52aed79aec91b334fa566f6d5dadb0805488844b)
Brave Sir Robin
Dems aka lower class criminal elements apparently ... want martial law, want civil war. Careful what you morons ask for ;-(
Republicans are "morans" ... if you remember that protest picture ...
"Flynn phone transcripts reveal diplomacy with Russia, ZERO evidence of improper behavior" ... diplomacy is bad. War monger and ISIS supporter, Obama, needed to be stopped.
"Ted Cruz: Obama, Biden directly involved in ‘political persecution’ of Gen. Flynn" ... book them, Dano!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ipxXfJvyM
trumps made an executive order to come on on youtube, twitter and facebook, to stop political bias, and allowing for legal action to be taken against them for political biases.
might balance things out, or might make things harder to discuss anything if neither side is allowed to have a heated political discussion online.
Quote from: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:32:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ipxXfJvyM
trumps made an executive order to come on on youtube, twitter and facebook, to stop political bias, and allowing for legal action to be taken against them for political biases.
might balance things out, or might make things harder to discuss anything if neither side is allowed to have a heated political discussion online.
The old system. Only select people may present to the public ... the press .. and public officials. And those people are all controlled by the Deep State. So all pro-anti discussions are controlled at both ends, by the Deep State. The Internet has ruined that.
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/
Well, color me surprised.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 02, 2020, 10:46:49 PM
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/antifa-trump-fbi/
Well, color me surprised.
AntiFa admits it. FBI is Dem, anti-Trump.
Next you will tell me that all rioters are Black, oppressed, and innocent.
Maybe there is no real AntiFa, just FBI agents undercover, LARPing as anarchists.
Quote from: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:19:57 PM
AntiFa admits it. FBI is Dem, anti-Trump.
Next you will tell me that all rioters are Black, oppressed, and innocent.
Maybe there is no real AntiFa, just FBI agents undercover, LARPing as anarchists.
Nope---next I want to tell you that Baruch is a level-headed, fair minded, highly intelligent, fact filled and fun to read guy. Nah. I guess NOBODY would believe that load of bullshit I typed.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 02, 2020, 11:34:34 PM
Nope---next I want to tell you that Baruch is a level-headed, fair minded, highly intelligent, fact filled and fun to read guy. Nah. I guess NOBODY would believe that load of bullshit I typed.
I don't expect to be believed. That is a cross for others here to bear ;-) And no, I think the other posters are mostly burned out hippies.
Boomers ... worst generation of all time. A good argument for universal abortion 1946-1964 ;-)
"China Furious After UK Considers Offering Citizenship To 3 Million Hong Kong Residents" ... Taiwan also has this offer. If China opens up with military action outside of the mainland, nuke the bastards!
"Rosenstein Admits He Would Not Have Signed FISA Warrant If He Knew Of Exculpatory Evidence, Throws McCabe Under The Bus" ... the one guy not fired by Trump. He as been ratting on the other rats.
I don't get something. How are they going to fit 'political bias' into any legal action for imposing sanctions against social media platforms in the US. Politcial bias is not something defined as punishable by law.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 04:06:36 PM
I don't get something. How are they going to fit 'political bias' into any legal action for imposing sanctions against social media platforms in the US. Politcial bias is not something defined as punishable by law.
There are Internet service providers and there are publishers. Newspapers are publishers. They are legally responsible for what they publish, whether they wrote it or a letter to the editor by an outside source. It is a law, to treat Internet service providers like a bulletin board at a grocery. If you put an add on the bulletin board at the grocery (dog grooming etc) the grocery isn't liable. So this is a technicality, it isn't about bias. If there were a bias law in the US like in other countries, then all media would be completely censored by authorities to prevent free speech. As in China. Also Turkey where you can't talk about Armenians etc, Germany and France regarding fascism etc. GB doesn't have free speech either.
So if the cut-out for Internet service providers is removed selectively from Twitter, then not only are they and posters liable to criminal law, they are also open to civil law for slander for example. Usually, politicians have their own cut-out in the law, they are not subject to being charged with slander (in the course of politicking, or politics would be muzzled). The applicability of these Internet regulations, outside of the US, is problematic, because different nations have different laws, but the Internet is international. So there are "routers" at the electronic border, to screen things out.
gotta love this--from Vanity Fair, Kenzie Bryant; What's the opposite of smizing? Let's ask Melania Trump!
"The photo op catches them exactly as they are, as their actions have conclusively shown them to be: grunty oafs using religious iconography to advance an agenda devoid of any humanity."
That's why his base are devoted to the orange monster and his squeeze, they reflect the same.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 03, 2020, 07:16:38 PM
gotta love this--from Vanity Fair, Kenzie Bryant; What's the opposite of smizing? Let's ask Melania Trump!
"The photo op catches them exactly as they are, as their actions have conclusively shown them to be: grunty oafs using religious iconography to advance an agenda devoid of any humanity."
That's why his base are devoted to the orange monster and his squeeze, they reflect the same.
I would agree. But I don't find Democrats and what they believe to be virtuous. I do think that Republicans think that wealth is a measure of virtue. From a psychology viewpoint, all of this is really based on how good or bad your relationship with your parents was ;-)
This is an article by George Will (whom I dislike very, very much--he is a conservative that supported Bush and Cheney--war criminals), the successor of William F. Buckley--not very fond of him, either. But both could write and express thoughts in cogent ways.
Trump must be removed. So must his congressional enablers.
This unraveling presidency began with the Crybaby-in-Chief banging his spoon on his highchair tray to protest a photograph â€" a photograph â€" showing that his inauguration crowd the day before had been smaller than the one four years previous. Since then, this weak person’s idea of a strong person, this chest-pounding advertisement of his own gnawing insecurities, this low-rent Lear raging on his Twitter-heath has proven that the phrase malignant buffoon is not an oxymoron.
Presidents, exploiting modern communications technologies and abetted today by journalists preening as the “resistance†â€" like members of the French Resistance 1940-1944, minus the bravery â€" can set the tone of American society, which is regrettably soft wax on which presidents leave their marks. The president’s provocations â€" his coarsening of public discourse that lowers the threshold for acting out by people as mentally crippled as he â€" do not excuse the violent few. They must be punished. He must be removed.
Social causation is difficult to demonstrate, particularly between one person’s words and other persons’ deeds. However: The person voters hired in 2016 to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed†stood on July 28, 2017, in front of uniformed police and urged them “please don’t be too nice†when handling suspected offenders. His hope was fulfilled for 8 minutes and 46 seconds on Minneapolis pavement.
What Daniel Patrick Moynihan termed “defining deviancy down†now defines American politics. In 2016, voters were presented an unprecedentedly unpalatable choice: Never had both major parties offered nominees with higher disapproval than approval numbers. Voters chose what they wagered would be the lesser blight. Now, however, they have watched him govern for 40 months and more than 40 percent â€" slightly less than the percentage that voted for him â€" approve of his sordid conduct.
Presidents seeking reelection bask in chants of “Four more years!†This year, however, most Americans â€" perhaps because they are, as the president predicted, weary from all the winning â€" might flinch: Four more years of this? The taste of ashes, metaphorical and now literal, dampens enthusiasm.
The nation’s downward spiral into acrimony and sporadic anarchy has had many causes much larger than the small man who is the great exacerbator of them. Most of the causes predate his presidency, and most will survive its January terminus. The measures necessary for restoration of national equilibrium are many and will be protracted far beyond his removal. One such measure must be the removal of those in Congress who, unlike the sycophantic mediocrities who cosset him in the White House, will not disappear “magically,†as Eric Trump said the coronavirus would. Voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger for petting.
In life’s unforgiving arithmetic, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional Republicans have made theirs for more than 1,200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nation’s domestic health and international standing, but we know the first step: Senate Republicans must be routed, as condign punishment for their Vichyite collaboration, leaving the Republican remnant to wonder: Was it sensible to sacrifice dignity, such as it ever was, and to shed principles, if convictions so easily jettisoned could be dignified as principles, for . . . what? Praying people should pray, and all others should hope: May I never crave anything as much as these people crave membership in the world’s most risible deliberative body.
A political party’s primary function is to bestow its imprimatur on candidates, thereby proclaiming: This is who we are. In 2016, the Republican Party gave its principal nomination to a vulgarian and then toiled to elect him. And to stock Congress with invertebrates whose unswerving abjectness has enabled his institutional vandalism, who have voiced no serious objections to his Niagara of lies, and whom T.S.â€,Eliot anticipated:
We are the hollow men . . .
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
or rats’ feet over broken glass . . .
Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life: There is no such thing as rock bottom. So, assume that the worst is yet to come. Which implicates national security: Abroad, anti-Americanism sleeps lightly when it sleeps at all, and it is wide-awake as decent people judge our nation’s health by the character of those to whom power is entrusted. Watching, too, are indecent people in Beijing and Moscow.
His only saving grace (besides the above article) is he published Men At Work, about baseball--so I guess I don't hate that part of him.
The neo-Cons were Trotsky revolutionaries in the 60s, before they defected to the think tanks. I don't think much of their advice. Irregular removal of a President (or any other elected office holder) is treason. Article 25 is tricky. Technically given his custom pain meds, JFK should have been removed. That and his serial sex mania. it was unnecessarily traumatic for the CIA/FBI to take him out the way they did. They really hated that he didn't want to nuke the Soviet Union, and botched the Bay of Pigs.
Given Obama's obsession with his father's post colonial Kenyan politics, he needed to be removed too. All of them do, back to George Washington. Only sociopaths are willing to be politicians (hence my dismissal of democracy).
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The tweet was deleted (https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-conspiracy-facebook-twitter-antifa-bricks-violence-2020-6). But the internet always remembers.
So this is written by one George Will, a conservative comentator. Anti-American part is myeh, you know...lol. But other than that it looks good.
Quote from: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 06:14:37 PM
So if the cut-out for Internet service providers is removed selectively from Twitter, then not only are they and posters liable to criminal law, they are also open to civil law for slander for example. Usually, politicians have their own cut-out in the law, they are not subject to being charged with slander (in the course of politicking, or politics would be muzzled). The applicability of these Internet regulations, outside of the US, is problematic, because different nations have different laws, but the Internet is international. So there are "routers" at the electronic border, to screen things out.
Slander? Slander is something completely different. Political bias is a joke term. What happens to the person as a result of this 'political bias' to begin with? What's the context, definition and scope of it?
Also when it comes to slander, defamation... how does that work for a man who he was an auspicious public figure before he was elected for the office? If I got anything about how the specific subject is handled in general in the States, it is protected by the first amendment.
Anything you say or post publically about a public figure's person -UNLESS it is something like accusing him of some infamous crimes- it is fucking freedom of speech. Period. You can't go and accuse people of crimes or felonies, but you can hell say anything you want about them or their actions. It's not about Trump. It could be an actor, a celebrity...a youtube vlogger. They can try to press charges, they can't do anything. Otherwise, there would be another huge dimension of bullshit cases in somewhere like the States anyway.
And now about a man, as a politician, as a president?! He is at the most legal ground for any political comment, opinion, criticism directed to his person and his actions as long as the first amendment stands.
I have no idea how executive orders work, but I guess it would need to fit in your constitution, right? Because if they try to do something like that the first judge on the route would take that and shove it up somebody's ass. As they've done it on different issues before.
There is no case. Or I got it all wrong, lol. Enlighten me.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 08:46:43 AM
So this is written by one George Will, a conservative comentator. Anti-American part is myeh, you know...lol. But other than that it looks good.
He is one of the ex-Trotsky-ites .. from the 60s. He is not a real conservative, he is a Left Authoritarian. As a nationalist, he is Stalinist. Not Lincoln.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 11:14:45 AM
Slander? Slander is something completely different. Political bias is a joke term. What happens to the person as a result of this 'political bias' to begin with? What's the context, definition and scope of it?
Also when it comes to slander, defamation... how does that work for a man who he was an auspicious public figure before he was elected for the office? If I got anything about how the specific subject is handled in general in the States, it is protected by the first amendment.
Anything you say or post publically about a public figure's person -UNLESS it is something like accusing him of some infamous crimes- it is fucking freedom of speech. Period. You can't go and accuse people of crimes or felonies, but you can hell say anything you want about them or their actions. It's not about Trump. It could be an actor, a celebrity...a youtube vlogger. They can try to press charges, they can't do anything. Otherwise, there would be another huge dimension of bullshit cases in somewhere like the States anyway.
And now about a man, as a politician, as a president?! He is at the most legal ground for any political comment, opinion, criticism directed to his person and his actions as long as the first amendment stands.
I have no idea how executive orders work, but I guess it would need to fit in your constitution, right? Because if they try to do something like that the first judge on the route would take that and shove it up somebody's ass. As they've done it on different issues before.
There is no case. Or I got it all wrong, lol. Enlighten me.
This is why politicians can be slandered, but can't charge the slanderer with slander, if the slanderer is another politician (tongue tied).
Executive orders are widely abused. They are often blocked by courts. They are increasingly used by both parties when in the WH. This happens because Congress is totally dysfunctional. Over the decades, the Congress has delegated more and more of their job to the Executive (for plausible deniability). The US needs Sulla or Caesar or Octavian. The legislature needs to be proscribed (sarc).
The biggest fail, delegation of Congressional powers, were the Federal Reserve and the war powers. With the advent of nuclear weapons, from 1945 forward, there is an "implied declaration of war" against all other countries ... because you can't get a vote on it in 30 minutes while the ICBMs are falling. This was partially pulled back from Nixon forward. But it really isn't tested in court (or SCOTUS). If SCOTUS was proactive not reactive (it is reactive by design) ... all military action starting with the Korean War would be illegal.
Usually all US courts are reactive (except for where the District Attorney brings charges). When you are charged with a law breaking that is criminal, the courts are pro-active, they charge you. All other court actions are like a civil law suit. A third party has to bring an objection, and have some court hear it (as was the case repeatedly with Trump's blocking of travel from certain Muslim countries).
Given that the US is designed to be decentralized, and given that government is partisan at all levels, and given that (in my experience with law concerning seniors and their wills) the point of law is to never have a clear decision. It all depends on the circumstances, and how much coffee the judge had with breakfast that morning ;-) In short, the US is a functional anarchy, compared to other societies (with Napoleonic Law for instance).
There is real slander. If you were an American business person, and I claimed that your oyster bar was poisoning people (wrong month) ... and it isn't true. You can take me to court and destroy me financially, and make me legally apologize. If I say you are cheating on your husband, and put it on Twitter (today) then you can't do a thing. If I did that in a newspaper, and the editor was stupid enough to publish it, then you can sue the newspaper, the editor and me. As I understand it, in GB, the threshold for slander is much lower than in the US.
Mattis denounces Trump (https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000172-7c37-d3d2-ab7a-7f3762a80000&fbclid=IwAR3OgfOauPCdDRZqWi_BvgHtUAxZ5AZa50T4KQRewW0tL3cHF0oV2_t7Gy0)
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American peopleâ€"does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,†Mattis writes. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.â€
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 02:41:13 PM
Mattis denounces Trump (https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000172-7c37-d3d2-ab7a-7f3762a80000&fbclid=IwAR3OgfOauPCdDRZqWi_BvgHtUAxZ5AZa50T4KQRewW0tL3cHF0oV2_t7Gy0)
“Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American peopleâ€"does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us,†Mattis writes. “We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.â€
Mattis was fired. Disgruntled former employee. When a former general criticizes you, this is because they support the Deep State, where the military controls the civilian officials. That isn't the US Constitution. Mattis supposedly mad that we didn't continue war in Syria and Ukraine (maybe).
I thought the commies hate what the US is doing in Afghanistan etc .. are anti-military?
Two nominations on hold until Trump can explain ousting two watchdogs (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-sen-grassley-holding-trump-nominations-until-he-gets-answers-n1225041)
Held up by a Republican no less. The gang has been getting restless lately.
I'd read the tweet, but it's a crime against the english language. There should be a trigger warning for that one.
QuoteThe Trump administration has ousted government watchdogs at several departments in recent weeks, including State Department Inspector General Steve Linick, acting Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General Christi Grimm, acting Transportation Department Inspector General Mitch Behm, and top Pentagon official Glenn Fine, who led the committee responsible for overseeing implementation of the $2 trillion coronavirus relief law. In early April, Trump fired the inspector general for the intelligence community, Michael Atkinson, who flagged the Ukraine whistleblower complaint.
Quote from: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:32:20 PM
trumps made an executive order to come on on youtube, twitter and facebook, to stop political bias, and allowing for legal action to be taken against them for political biases.
might balance things out, or might make things harder to discuss anything if neither side is allowed to have a heated political discussion online.
Or, he's a butthurt asshole who's pissed off someone called him on his lies and bullshit.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 10:47:19 PM
Two nominations on hold until Trump can explain ousting two watchdogs (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-sen-grassley-holding-trump-nominations-until-he-gets-answers-n1225041)
Held up by a Republican no less. The gang has been getting restless lately.
I'd read the tweet, but it's a crime against the english language. There should be a trigger warning for that one.
Part of the schizoid way Congress does their job. On the one hand they don't want the responsibility, lets the Executive run wild. Then when the Executive fires people (what President Andrew Johnson was impeached for) then Congress does over-reach against separation of powers. This is always done for partisan reasons. If the Congress agrees with President, he can do whatever shit he wants to (ex: Obama).
Shutting down Twitter et al is serious business. If they were regulated as newspapers that would be the end of the Internet as we know it (basically CBS etc would own it) and this forum would be dead. I don't think the operators ... however well intentioned, want to take criminal liability for what you or I post here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUFhbAy8ZW0
Imagine being so far to the right, so authoritarian, so civil war-mongering that Pat Robertson is telling you to chill out.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 06, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUFhbAy8ZW0
Imagine being so far to the right, so authoritarian, so civil war-mongering that Pat Robertson is telling you to chill out.
Some Christians don't want violence, though I don't think Pat Robertson is pacifist. Funny how Dems love the warmonger Barak Obama, and voted for Hillary Clinton, who is thought to want nuclear war with Russia over Ukraine and Syria. They are so fascist, and so lacking in self consciousness.
"THE NEW JOBS REPORT WAS SO GOOD NANCY PELOSI TRIED TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT" ... maybe the total destruction of civilization won't happen this year ;-) Everyone here (myself included) will have to hope for a worser 2021.
"Prefrontal cortical dysfunction is the hallmark of basically all of the societal behavioral problems that we have experienced in the last 50 years..." ... not just Trump Derangement Syndrome. I think it is leaded gasoline, drugs and too much TV.
(https://i.redd.it/vkdakvvmpo351.jpg)
I don't feel sorry for any politician. They are rotten people, who should get all the shit they deserve for being such narcissists. Like Hollywood.
"Maxism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generations of American students, without being challenged, or counterbalanced, by the basic values of Americanism. Most of the people who graduated in the 60s are now occupying positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational system. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli, in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind, even if you exposed them to authentic information." ... Yuri Bezmenov (former KGB propagandist)
Judge accusses Barr of misrepresenting Mueller report, demands unredacted version (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/486219-judge-orders-doj-to-hand-over-unredacted-mueller-report)
What does he have to hide?
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 09, 2020, 01:46:08 PM
Judge accusses Barr of misrepresenting Mueller report, demands unredacted version (https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/486219-judge-orders-doj-to-hand-over-unredacted-mueller-report)
What does he have to hide?
Barr has worked in DC for decades. Crook like all the rest. Good = my crooks get away with it, Bad = their crooks get away with it.
Rosenstein finked on Mueller in front of the Senate. Rosenstein chose Mueller, and was supposed to be supervising him ... but he admits he failed to do his job, like Sgt Schultz ... "I saw nothing!". Rosenstein got splinters for sitting on the fence, but that kept him from being fired, unlike Comey and McCabe.
Mueller admitted last Summer, he found no hard evidence of Russian collusion (for Trump). They weren't investigating Hillary or Obama. "Obstruction" is tricky since it involves separation of powers. If the House was the boss of the entire government, including the White House, then Trump couldn't hold out anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajHnm-D0VVE
"Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.†- Alexis de Tocqueville
Notice "churches". Do atheists have anything comparable? Jacobin club meetings ;-p
Mattis, Kelley and other generals ... they are bucking for a military dictatorship, under D-party officers. The enlisted are mostly R-party. It is the officers who were selected for, and required to push identity politics inside the military.
President Obama bypassed Congress to make a non-binding treaty with Iran. This was a constitutional violation right there. Why no outrage then? Hmmm ... magic skin color.
"Goldman Made $1 Billion As Oil Plunged Below Zero" ... hey, @Shiranu ... while you were crowing about the death of capitalism, someone made a lot of money and it wasn't you ;-) You really need to understand markets better. Negative oil prices was a buying opportunity, not the end of civilization.
(https://i.imgur.com/gbCeF9f.png)
It's more likely than you think.
OK, Boomer ;-) ... All Boomers are SDS from Berkeley.
"FBI Knew Steele's Russia Research Connected To Clinton, Dems From Earliest Interactions" ... of the Dems, by the Dems, for the Dems. China/Russia can't nuke the US soon enough. The Alpha quadrant must be protected from these Orcs!
"The Political Left Used George Floyd's Dead Body As A Social Justice Marionette" .... I prefer the Team America marionettes. Genuine projectile vomit ;-)
Dem platform ...
“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.â€
"Senate Judiciary authorizes subpoenas for Obama officials amid Russia probe review" ... the House aims to support Obama officials, because they collaborated.
Secret Service admits to using pepper spray to clear protestors away from photo op site (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/secret-service-now-says-it-did-use-pepper-spray-clear-n1231022)
Quote from: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:37:49 PM
This is why politicians can be slandered, but can't charge the slanderer with slander, if the slanderer is another politician (tongue tied).
Executive orders are widely abused. They are often blocked by courts. They are increasingly used by both parties when in the WH. This happens because Congress is totally dysfunctional. Over the decades, the Congress has delegated more and more of their job to the Executive (for plausible deniability). The US needs Sulla or Caesar or Octavian. The legislature needs to be proscribed (sarc).
The biggest fail, delegation of Congressional powers, were the Federal Reserve and the war powers. With the advent of nuclear weapons, from 1945 forward, there is an "implied declaration of war" against all other countries ... because you can't get a vote on it in 30 minutes while the ICBMs are falling. This was partially pulled back from Nixon forward. But it really isn't tested in court (or SCOTUS). If SCOTUS was proactive not reactive (it is reactive by design) ... all military action starting with the Korean War would be illegal.
Usually all US courts are reactive (except for where the District Attorney brings charges). When you are charged with a law breaking that is criminal, the courts are pro-active, they charge you. All other court actions are like a civil law suit. A third party has to bring an objection, and have some court hear it (as was the case repeatedly with Trump's blocking of travel from certain Muslim countries).
Given that the US is designed to be decentralized, and given that government is partisan at all levels, and given that (in my experience with law concerning seniors and their wills) the point of law is to never have a clear decision. It all depends on the circumstances, and how much coffee the judge had with breakfast that morning ;-) In short, the US is a functional anarchy, compared to other societies (with Napoleonic Law for instance).
There is real slander. If you were an American business person, and I claimed that your oyster bar was poisoning people (wrong month) ... and it isn't true. You can take me to court and destroy me financially, and make me legally apologize. If I say you are cheating on your husband, and put it on Twitter (today) then you can't do a thing. If I did that in a newspaper, and the editor was stupid enough to publish it, then you can sue the newspaper, the editor and me. As I understand it, in GB, the threshold for slander is much lower than in the US.
In GB, after the thalidomide drug monstrosity they changed the laws. Well, so it seems. They probably made it easier to pres charges. But on an individual level, courts in GB wouldn't stand for a lot of frivilous cases as they do in the States.
Of course there is real slander. But if you are aware the example you gave is a health issue, Baruch. It has a solid definition and it is crucial in human life because, you know it is a health issue,lol. If you endanger someone's health due to neglect, let alone their lives, you will face serious sanctions.
Who is the victim in political bias? What is the harm? It's worse than a lame joke.
Sarcasm aside, you realise Trump is a Caesar or an Octavian for his own group and in the worst case scenario a potential Sulla, right? Everyone fantasies about one strong leader or some sort of triviumvirate coming to power and wiping the 'evil' in their heads. That's the fundamental problem. We haven't really moved an inch after first agricultural progress in this sense. The majority of human population is in love with dictators, they just call them with different names. Heroes, saviours...
Long lines, closed polling places plague Georgia election (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/09/873054620/long-lines-voting-machine-issues-plague-georgia-primary)
QuoteIn metro Atlanta more than 80 polling places were closed and consolidated ahead of Election Day.
Hmmm...who would gain from much lower turnout in Atlanta?
QuoteElection administration in Georgia has come under scrutiny in the past several years with Democrats and civil rights groups accusing Raffensperger and his predecessor, now-Gov. Brian Kemp, of attempting to suppress voters by aggressively cleansing the state's voter rolls and encouraging polling places to consolidate.
If the name Kemp sounds familiar, he's the guy who ran for governor in 2018 while simultaneously overseeing his own election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Georgia_gubernatorial_election#Electoral_controversies) (a clear conflict of interest). And wouldn't you know it, there were irregularities the day before the election, including 300,000 people being falsely stricken from the voter rolls. In 2017, Kemp was defendant in a lawsuit (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/georgia-election-server-wiped-after-lawsuit-filed-n814581) alleging that there was a gaping security hole in its election system. The election server that would have been used as evidence was subsequently and completely accidentally wiped, effectively ending the investigation.
I think it is generally accepted that the Repubs do best with the lower number of voters. So, it is easy to see why the orange monster wants, and is fighting for, restricted voter rolls, harder to get to places to vote, long, long lines to vote, and why he wants to do away with the post office. He is backing and fostering anything and everything that restricts voting.
The Gop wants an inability to certify the Electoral College vote so they can use the 12th amendment to re-install their Savior.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reverses-obama-policy-surplus-military-gear-police-n796581
https://twitter.com/Katiehugscats/status/1272957475247931392
Are you registered to vote? Cause she is.
Ye gods... "I'm not a sex slave!" I wish someone with a mask shouted "I am!" Lololol Look at the facial expression of the man at the right. LOL
Someday, technology will allow people to have tours in minds of the likes of her. That would make a good Rick and Morty episode too.
I like the ending comment from the chairman, "Thank you for your comments." How do you keep a straight face and say that?
I appreciate she brought props but singing God Bless America was a bit much. This isn't an American Idol audition, Debra.
"Read Here: John Bolton's Full White House Exposé Leaked Online" ... Dem judge gave permission for violation of NDA, violation of classification, violation of personal trust to the PotUS. But by leaking the text, millions can read this tripe (similar to the expose the snake did on George W) for free, and not pay for his book.
"Bolton: Trump Gave Bibi Green Light For Preemptive Israeli Strike On Iran Nuclear Sites" ... Backward. Trump didn't bring out the SS troops to kill all Blacks, because his Sith master, Bibi, didn't give him the "Green Light". Also Israel didn't need permission to take out Iraq reactor or Syrian reactor.
"Bolton's Win Could Cost Him More Than Just Profits" ... he could be subject to law suites. There isn't just criminal law involved. Hopefully he can get employment as one of Biden's new advisors?
"Biden Taps Former CIA, Obama Officials To Handle 'Pre-Transition'" ... somebody needs to put a hand up his back to do the necessary ventriloquism.
This is what Steve Schmidt, former Repub. chairman, has to say about Trump:
"Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.
"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.
"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great again. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale. And let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office behind the Resolute Desk."
And I think he is being kind to the orange monster. What would happen in a just and sane nation (which we are not even close to being) is that the orange monster would be hanged for treason!
Modern America - whatever President we have now, is he worst President we have ever had. They said it about Obama, about George W, about Clinton.
The real problem is, secular/atheist messianism. The President doesn't matter, he has no control. The Elite control. So what if we still had gladiatorial games ... and everyone was arguing about how the Emperor influenced the results (thumbs down) ... instead about, why are we watching people kill each other? Of course the real reason for the gladiatorial games was to control the urban population with distraction, and making mark on betting ... there was sports betting on every thrust of a gladius.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 23, 2020, 06:13:33 PM
And I think he is being kind to the orange monster. What would happen in a just and sane nation (which we are not even close to being) is that the orange monster would be hanged for treason!
In a just and sane nation, he would have been laughed off the stairway he came down to announce his candidacy and never got near the chance to
commit treason.
Quote from: trdsf on June 24, 2020, 12:01:04 AM
In a just and sane nation, he would have been laughed off the stairway he came down to announce his candidacy and never got near the chance to commit treason.
In a sane nation, a psychopath wouldn't be a candidate (Hillary) or a senile old crook (Biden). But that is idealism for you. You get disappointed every damn day of your life if you are an idealist. If you are cynical, then nothing surprises you ;-)
There is no justice. Other than Camus (the only real philosophical question is ... suicide?).
George Washington - traitor
John Adams - traitor
Thomas Jefferson - traitor
...
Abraham Lincoln - traitor
...
Woodrow Wilson - traitor
...
FDR - traitor
Truman - traitor
...
JFK - traitor
LBJ - traitor
Nixon - traitor
...
Bush Sr - traitor
Clinton - traitor
Bush Jr - traitor
Obama - traitor
I am starting to see a pattern forming ...
Quote from: trdsf on June 24, 2020, 12:01:04 AM
In a just and sane nation, he would have been laughed off the stairway he came down to announce his candidacy and never got near the chance to commit treason.
Talked with several people just before the election who admitted they would vote for an idiot basically for the entertainment value. Seems these christians didn't really care for him but believed that by some miracle it would all work out; a great shakeup. At least one of them had to sell out their 401K at the bottom last March and they will not be voting for him again. However one other acquaintance thinks he is doing a great job because their main concern is centered on gun rights. If one cares greatly about one issue they are OK if everything else goes to hell.
The impression I get from the Trump voters I talk to is they don't so much love him as they hate the alternative. Nobody I've talked to likes his tweeting. They have conservative values and don't like progressive politics. Just like progressives feel stuck with Biden, they feel stuck with Trump.
Two competing groups in the early 2010s ... Occupy and Tea Party. Tea Party took over enough of the R party to get the nomination in 2016. Occupy tried and failed to take over the D party in 2016, but is trying that again in 2020. The CHAZ/CHOP people changed their name, which was truth in advertising ... the "O" stands for Occupy, which originated nearby in Vancouver CA, and it was local AntiFa in Portland and Seattle that started the Battle of Seattle in 1999.
"Biden Invoked 1799 'Logan Act' During Secretive Oval Office Meeting About Flynn Investigation" ... failed to mention that he and 4 other members of his family were on the take by foreign criminal elements in Ukraine, Iraq and China. Which are themselves violations of the 'Logan Act' which no politician has ever been successfully prosecuted. Thanks President John Adams (himself a traitor).
"Fired NY Prosecutor Was Given Biden-Ukraine Allegations In 2018, Didn't Follow Up" ... could be why this Dem traitor was fired?
"DOJ Releases "Totally Exculpatory" Strzok Notes To Michael Flynn's Lawyers" ... Obamagate continues to unroll. Barr claims that Obama and Biden aren't suspects in a criminal investigation, just all the Dem traitors that worked for them ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on June 24, 2020, 12:12:10 AM
I am starting to see a pattern forming ...
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzn50g3tl11r61mg5o1_500.jpg)
But, but ... it seems the Dems are the ones with all the "spice" ;-)
“US court rules Flynn case be dismissed†… Federal appeals court vs Federal district court. But the vicious Flynn haters can appeal that to the Supreme Court. When General Flynn is free to speak, the Obama cabal will go down. As the Orcs used to say "D-meat is back on the menu, boys!".
"MICHAEL FLYNN WAS JUST TOTALLY VINDICATED DESPITE THE MODERN WITCH TRIALS" ... not surprising that people here like witch trials ;-)
Obviously, I consider flag burning free speech. Trump is using this issue because it gets an emotional reaction from his supporters. I suspect ten years ago Trump didn't really care about flag burning but I wonder if now that he is POTUS he sees it as a personal affront.
Trump Demands End to Flag Burning as Protests Rage, Statues Fall (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-demands-end-flag-burning-protests-rage-statues-fall-1513201)
"We ought to come up with legislation that if you burn the American flag you go to jail for one year," Trump said to applause during a campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on Saturday. "We oughta do it. They talk about Freedom of Speechâ€"I'm a big believer in Freedom of Speechâ€"but that's desecration. That's a terrible thing they're doing."
It's not the first time Trump has called for a ban on burning the American flag, which the U.S. Supreme Court deemed protected symbolic speech in rulings three decades ago.
But ongoing protests that broke out after the killing of George Floyd in Minnesota,â€"which have included multiple American flag burning demonstrations just yards from the White Houseâ€"have thrust the issue back onto the list of Trump's chief grievances.
He urged Congress on Twitter late Tuesday evening to "do something about the lowlifes that burn the American Flag."
"It should be stopped, and now!" he wrote. ...
(https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/flagtoon04.jpg?w=620)
Of course, you know who burns the most American flags?
Boy Scouts (https://swarthmorephoenix.com/2017/11/16/boy-scouts-and-burning-american-flags/).
Quote from: trdsf on June 25, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
Of course, you know who burns the most American flags?
Boy Scouts (https://swarthmorephoenix.com/2017/11/16/boy-scouts-and-burning-american-flags/).
It's not the disposing of the flag itself, it's the intent behind it. Essentially, it's a thoughtcrime. Civic blasphemy.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 25, 2020, 06:54:44 PM
It's not the disposing of the flag itself, it's the intent behind it. Essentially, it's a thoughtcrime. Civic blasphemy.
Most Americans want a Chinese conquest of the US, because Xi has promised free Walmart for everyone!
There is no civic religion, per atheists. But sociology knows nationalism as a civic religion. That is why cosmopolitan atheists want a UN rule of the planet.
White House ordered NIH to cancel coronavirus research funding (https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/06/white-house-ordered-nih-to-cancel-coronavirus-research-funding-fauci-says/)
QuoteThe National Institutes of Health abruptly cut off funding to a long-standing, well-regarded research project on bat coronaviruses only after the White House specifically told it to do so, according to Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
QuoteSince the grant was nixed in late April, scientists had speculated that politics and a conspiracy theory played a role in canceling funding for the research, which was in good scientific standing and seen as critical work.
QuoteScientists also continue to express dismay at the apparent political interference. The American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) released a statement Wednesday saying that such orders to cancel funding “will undermine the integrity of science funding and public trust. We urge Congress to use its oversight authority to ensure that the integrity of government science agencies is not compromised.â€
Yes, you didn't know the government is behind all weaponized virus research? All governments in all countries able to do so? So they will stop and start research projects as needed for global warfare.
"Central Mueller Witness, A Child-Trafficking Pedophile, Sentenced To 10 Years In Prison" ... all the Dem partisans seemed a little weird to me, particularly bug-eyed Adam Schiff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwqr59ByIRQ
With genius advice like that, it's hard to believe that Trump's not doing so hot in the polls.
56% disapprove. Almost the highest it's ever been. (57% is the record)
If you don't oppose politicians, 100%, you aren't woke. Even politicians who used to be reality TV hosts. You people want to live in Uncle Tom's Cabin, if it has free rent. Call other voters deplorables? Look in the F*ing mirror.
"President For Life? Russian Voters Grant Putin Ability To Rule Until 2036" ... we need this in America too. So much like China (Emperor Xi). I am all for Emperor John Bolton ... nuclear war against 200 enemy countries ;-)
"Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested In New Hampshire, US Attorney "Welcomes Prince Andrew Talking"" ... lets talk about Bill and Hillary and Joe ...
"Adam Schiff Knew About 'Russian Bounty' Intel Months Ago, Did Nothing" ... old bug-eyes strikes again ...
"Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested, May Be Sent To Same Jail Where Epstein 'Killed Himself'" ... too late to get life insurance ;-(
"Judge Orders Jeffrey Epstein Accuser To Destroy Files" ... surprise, surprise
https://www.salon.com/2020/07/02/as-covid-deaths-mounted-lindsey-graham-kept-moving-the-goalposts-for-trump/
QuoteOn April 7, Graham told Fox News' Martha MacCallum that he would consider Trump's performance a success if COVID-19 deaths stayed under the 50,000 mark.
QuoteBut Graham once again upped his metric of success, from 50,000 to anywhere under 100,000.
"The president in my view has avoided 2.2 million Americans from dying because he rejected the herd theory, let it run through the society, we'll build up immunity. Thank God he rejected that.
QuoteBy late May, however, as states began reopening in earnest, Graham was forced once again to raise his high-water mark â€" this time from 100,000 to 130,000 deaths, per Politico.
"let it run through society"?! Dafuq?
Sweden? Stockholm Syndrome? Been locked down by the CCP bioterrorism so long I want crepes for breakfast, with lingonberries.
Trump admin hopes voters grow numb to coronavirus deathtoll (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-biden-campaigns-shift-focus-to-coronavirus-as-pandemic-surges/2020/07/06/53a4ec50-bd62-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html)
QuoteAdvisers to presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden see the covid-19 crisis as perhaps the clearest way yet to contrast the former vice president with President Trump, using the stumbling response and renewed surge in cases as ways to paint Trump as uninformed, incapable of empathy and concerned only about his own political standing.
QuoteTrump’s advisers, by contrast, are seeking ways to reframe his response to the coronavirus â€" even as the president himself largely seeks to avoid the topic because he views it as a political loser.
QuoteWhite House officials also hope Americans will grow numb to the escalating death toll and learn to accept tens of thousands of new cases a day, according to three people familiar with the White House’s thinking, who requested anonymity to reveal internal deliberations. Americans will “live with the virus being a threat,†in the words of one of those people, a senior administration official.
“They’re of the belief that people will get over it or if we stop highlighting it, the base will move on and the public will learn to accept 50,000 to 100,000 new cases a day,†said a former administration official in touch with the campaign.
One death is a tragedy, a million a statistic.
China hopes you will buy more of their stuff, and kowtow to their emperor.
"British Judge Orders Christopher Steele To Pay Damages To Russian Bankers Over Dossier Lies" ... won't happen, the "color revolution" section of MI6 protects their own even better than cops.
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So, should we copy their successful policies, or is that still socialism?
Notice the concern he cites isn't the welfare of children but how opening schools will affect the November election.
By all means, if you can find a good policy, copy it. But don't judge the goodness of a policy based on ideology or group think. That isn't socialism or capitalism ... that is common sense.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 09, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
Notice the concern he cites isn't the welfare of children but how opening schools will affect the November election.
The best welfare of children would be to close all the public schools, and have home or private (paid) schooling only. The Communist Manifesto should be shit upon.
(https://preview.redd.it/sz3z8qr0vq951.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4655c7f9591d663e32175f1d3ae0b3809c4f3582)
My wife's private school is opening up, because they have money, and they are changing completely how they will educate (rotating half the children in and out of classrooms to maintain distancing). Teachers will be getting retraining shortly to learn how to manage that. It will be nice if your public school district can do this for a much larger student population ... spits in hand.
""Our Children Should Be Educated, Not Indoctrinated" - Trump Threatens Tax-Exempt Status Of Leftist-Biased Colleges" ... open warfare produces casualties. Are people LARPing, will they hide in their safe-spaces?
"STATE OF EMERGENCY DECLARED IN UTAH OVER SURGE OF BLM LEFTIST VIOLENCE" ... de-platform Brigham Young? Fix is as close as the list of registered D voters ;-)
"TOWN THREATENS ONE YEAR IN JAIL FOR NOT WEARING A MASK??! STATES LAUNCH MANDATORY MASK LAWS" ... enforce law against R, not against D
Quote from: Baruch on July 10, 2020, 01:14:12 PM
""Our Children Should Be Educated, Not Indoctrinated" - Trump Threatens Tax-Exempt Status Of Leftist-Biased Colleges"
When parents approve of the curriculum it's "education" and when they disapprove it's "indoctrination."
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 10, 2020, 02:01:36 PM
When parents approve of the curriculum it's "education" and when they disapprove it's "indoctrination."
Kill all parents! Children's Crusade (last one worked out so well in the Middle Ages, origin of Pied Piper story).
My Ex is a teacher. I have taught adults. Don't overvalue the teachers, or the students ;-)
"FBI Man At The Heart Of Surveillance Abuses Is A Professor Of Spying Ethics" ... reviewed and failed with pre-election 2016 witch hunt.
Conservative Christians who set aside the tenets of their faith to support Donald Trump are now left with little to show for it (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/white-evangelicals-gambled-and-lost/613999/)
Quote“An employer who fires an individual merely for being gay or transgender defies the law,†Gorsuch wrote for the majority in the 6â€"3 ruling.
It was a crushing blow for the religious right, and it must have dawned on more than a few of Trump’s evangelical supporters that if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, the outcome of the case would have been the same; the only difference is that the margin probably would have been 7â€"2.
Quote“The GOP gives social conservatives little or nothing legislatively, and hasn’t for a very long time,†the conservative blogger Rod Dreher told Vox’s Jane Coaston. “True, they have blocked some bad things over the years. That’s not nothing. But I think we’ve always known that judges are the real deal here.â€
“Every institutionâ€"the media, academia, corporations, and othersâ€"are against us on gay and transgender rights, and GOP lawmakers are gutless. The only hope we had was that federal judges would protect the status quo. Now that’s gone.â€
QuoteElsewhere, Trump has engaged in a bromance with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un, the worst persecutor of Christians in the world, and established more intimate and admiring relationships with many of the world’s despots than with leaders of America’s traditional allies. And on issues that have traditionally concerned conservative evangelicals, such as fiscal responsibility and limited government, Trump has been awful: The deficit and the debt exploded under his watch, even pre-pandemic.
Evangelicals are stupid to think they can turn back the clock. They decisively lost the battle on gay rights and while abortion is an ongoing struggle - in many states, it's technically legal but good luck finding a clinic - attitudes are changing (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/30/facts-about-abortion-debate-in-america/) and imho, this is yet another battle evangelicals are going to eventually lose.
Suffice it to say that this culture war has developed not necessarily to conservatives' advantage.
Evangelical Christians are so ... 1980s.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 10, 2020, 08:24:10 PM
Evangelicals are stupid to think they can turn back the clock. They decisively lost the battle on gay rights and while abortion is an ongoing struggle - in many states, it's technically legal but good luck finding a clinic - attitudes are changing (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/30/facts-about-abortion-debate-in-america/) and imho, this is yet another battle evangelicals are going to eventually lose.
It's been five years since same-sex marriage became legal in all 50 states I think even most conservatives have realized it isn't that big a deal. No, people aren't marrying their dog. Adam isn't divorcing Eve to run off and marry Steve. Evangelicals still try to attribute every natural disaster to God's displeasure with the gays but fewer and fewer people are buying that nonsense.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 11, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
It's been five years since same-sex marriage became legal in all 50 states I think even most conservatives have realized it isn't that big a deal. No, people aren't marrying their dog. Adam isn't divorcing Eve to run off and marry Steve. Evangelicals still try to attribute every natural disaster to God's displeasure with the gays but fewer and fewer people are buying that nonsense.
And they're losing at least half the war within their own party: young Republicans back, or at least don't oppose, LGBTQ+ equality (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/10/61-of-young-republicans-favor-same-sex-marriage/).
What remains an open question is whether those young Republicans remain Republicans, or if they're so turned off by the culture war the Talebangelical wing of their party keeps pushing, they leave and become Independents, Libertarians, or (gasp!) Democrats.
You have to smoke dope at the tomb of Lenin, to be a Democrat ;-)
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I am badass. I wear a mask when outside. I want this failed species to die off (sarc). And yes, how much a mask works, isn't as important as the politics. Americans don't care to eat or drink or breath, they only care for politics.
Republicans Against Trump (https://www.youtube.com/c/RepublicanVotersAgainstTrump/featured)
https://youtu.be/k57rXjqQbp8
(https://i.imgur.com/eoUni4Z.png)
Commuted, technically. But springing your own lackey from jail is a helluva move.
The psychology of politics as a branch of sports fan psychology:
I like/hate a particular team
I hate/like a particular player
I hate/like a particular play
What unifies these? Feeling, not thinking. Not trying to invalidate anyone's feelings. But don't call this rationality.
"Solomon: FBI Captured Russians Accepting Nuclear Kickbacks During Obama Years" ... Obamagate and Uranium One ... real treason with Russia. FBI says OK, because they are all Democrats.
Speaking of coups, of goose stepping D/R deplorables ... of crazy leadership ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPUe7O3ODHQ
"New Court Filing: Ghislaine Maxwell 'Fled' Across House During Raid; FBI Found Tin Foil-Wrapped Cell Phone" ... she was smart, but not smart enough. She forgot the tin foil hat!
"Bail Denied For Ghislaine Maxwell" ... giving her bail would be too stupid even for the government.
"Never-Trump Project Lincoln Co-Founder Had Contract With Russian Government" ... he dropped the Russian contract when he was caught in May.
"Solomon: As Obama Marched Toward Iran Nuclear Deal, FBI Worried Russia Was Aiding Tehran's Program" ... but FBI didn't mind Uranium One.
Can anybody recall anything--and I mean anything--positive that the orange monster has done?
I was talking to a brother the other day, and he mentioned that he spoke to our youngest brother recently (all via phone). My youngest brother is the only christian in the clan (due to his avidly christian wife) and only trumpie. My brother asked him what he thought of trump's lies--his reply was 'what lies???'. I am so tempted to call the little jerk and tell him something like this--Mom channeled me last night and told me to tell you that you are no long a member of this family and no longer any sort of relative. I am sorely tempted--probably won't do it, tho. Anyway, anybody that is alive knows that trump cares nothing for the truth and only speaks it by mistake. That got me to wondering--has he done anything at all that is positive??? I can't remember anything. Can any of you???
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
has [Trump] done anything at all that is positive??? I can't remember anything. Can any of you???
He didn't start World War III. Does that count?
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Can anybody recall anything--and I mean anything--positive that the orange monster has done?
I was talking to a brother the other day, and he mentioned that he spoke to our youngest brother recently (all via phone). My youngest brother is the only christian in the clan (due to his avidly christian wife) and only trumpie. My brother asked him what he thought of trump's lies--his reply was 'what lies???'. I am so tempted to call the little jerk and tell him something like this--Mom channeled me last night and told me to tell you that you are no long a member of this family and no longer any sort of relative. I am sorely tempted--probably won't do it, tho. Anyway, anybody that is alive knows that trump cares nothing for the truth and only speaks it by mistake. That got me to wondering--has he done anything at all that is positive??? I can't remember anything. Can any of you???
He let his wife, the First Lady, continue her clothing line?
"Not all of Melania Trump's fashion is out of touch â€" here are 5 of her affordable staples" ... I don't look good in any of her outfits ;-)
I don't think any Democrat has ever done anything good, even the one's I voted for. Why? Because of how I feel.
People here have asked, why I never criticize Trump? Well here it is ...
Trump is an embarrassment, during the campaign and in office. He is a NYC cretin, like all the other NYC cretins. People who support him would buy salsa from New York City! I didn't always agree with Obama, but voted for him twice. Obama wasn't as much an embarrassment. So, didn't vote for Trump in 2016 (as most know) and wouldn't vote for him this year, if I were still voting, but would have voted again 3rd party.
Quote from: SGOS on July 16, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
He didn't start World War III. Does that count?
Hitler didn't start WW II either. Britain declared war on Germany, under PM Chamberlain and Lord Halifax. Even Churchill was innocent ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
That got me to wondering--has he done anything at all that is positive??? I can't remember anything. Can any of you???
I think it depends on what one considers positive. Some people think the border wall, deregulation and tax breaks for the wealthy are positives but I don't. Some things I would consider positive is he doubled the child tax credit, he signed the CARES Act, he signed Right to Try legislation, he launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in other countries, he addressed the opioid crisis. I don't know if he can be credited for it but prior to COVID unemployment was low and the stock market was high. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I can list a lot more seriously negative things.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that Trump lies is ignorant or lying. Even his supporters acknowledge that "he isn't always truthful" and then add "all politicians are liars" or some other excuse to minimize his bad behavior.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 12:19:01 PM
I think it depends on what one considers positive. Some people think the border wall, deregulation and tax breaks for the wealthy are positives but I don't. Some things I would consider positive is he doubled the child tax credit, he signed the CARES Act, he signed Right to Try legislation, he launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in other countries, he addressed the opioid crisis. I don't know if he can be credited for it but prior to COVID unemployment was low and the stock market was high. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I can list a lot more seriously negative things.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that Trump lies is ignorant or lying. Even his supporters acknowledge that "he isn't always truthful" and then add "all politicians are liars" or some other excuse to minimize his bad behavior.
Biden is a ignorant corrupt leader of a crime family. That doesn't excuse Trump either. Of course politicians lie, that is what they are paid to do by the Elite.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 10:42:58 AMCan anybody recall anything--and I mean anything--positive that the orange monster has done?
I made a thread about it. I can't recall off the top of my head what it was about.
He could've gotten brownie points in both parties if he had followed through with overhauling American infrastructure. That was something that Sanders wanted to work with him on. Or completely pulling out troops from Iraq and Syria, which didn't happen.
He's had such a negative administration that drinking water correctly must seem like a big win for him.
Trump is a beginner at President. That is why he needs a second term to show how much he has learned ;-))
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 12:19:01 PMhe launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in other countries
That would have been a very good thing if: (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081)
1) the underlying motivation was about gay people's wellbeing, not for gearing up to fight Iran
2) it included gay marriage and spousal rights, a notable omission (his party has historically not exactly been champions for that)
3) he supported gay rights at home (noticeably, trying to fight anti-discrimination laws)
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:25:22 PM
That would have been a very good thing if: (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081)
1) the underlying motivation was about gay people's wellbeing, not for gearing up to fight Iran
2) it included gay marriage and spousal rights, a notable omission (his party has historically not exactly been champions for that)
3) he supported gay rights at home (noticeably, trying to fight anti-discrimination laws)
Yes, Lincoln fought for the wrong reasons. He didn't divorce Mrs Lincoln and marry a Black woman, like that one Congressman did ;-)
No, a politician never does anything, even something you want, for the right reasons (unless you are the Elite).
Of course if Michelle Obama really is Michael ...
Quote from: SGOS on July 16, 2020, 11:40:20 AM
He didn't start World War III. Does that count?
Yet................
Didn't he order some sort of assassination strike against a foreign government official, prompting a retaliatory shelling of American troops?
Not exactly Nobel Peace Prize material.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:25:22 PM
That would have been a very good thing if: (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-administration-launches-global-effort-end-criminalization-homosexuality-n973081)
1) the underlying motivation was about gay people's wellbeing, not for gearing up to fight Iran
2) it included gay marriage and spousal rights, a notable omission (his party has historically not exactly been champions for that)
3) he supported gay rights at home (noticeably, trying to fight anti-discrimination laws)
I was surprised he even brought up decriminalizing homosexuality at all considering the Republicans still have in their platform that marriage is between one man and one woman.
Putin and Russian parliament are passing legislation changing their constitution to ban same-sex marriage. According to the Pew Research Center’s Global Attitudes Survey in 2019, only 14 percent of Russians said homosexuality should be accepted by society, while 74 percent said it shouldn’t be.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Didn't he order some sort of assassination strike against a foreign government official, prompting a retaliatory shelling of American troops?
Not exactly Nobel Peace Prize material.
That strike that killed an Iranian general was just condemned by the UN as immoral. I guess, if one really stretches it it could be good. Or not.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 12:19:01 PM
I think it depends on what one considers positive. Some people think the border wall, deregulation and tax breaks for the wealthy are positives but I don't. Some things I would consider positive is he doubled the child tax credit, he signed the CARES Act, he signed Right to Try legislation, he launched a global campaign to decriminalize homosexuality in other countries, he addressed the opioid crisis. I don't know if he can be credited for it but prior to COVID unemployment was low and the stock market was high. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I can list a lot more seriously negative things.
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that Trump lies is ignorant or lying. Even his supporters acknowledge that "he isn't always truthful" and then add "all politicians are liars" or some other excuse to minimize his bad behavior.
I guess one could label some of what you listed as good--but you are right, it depends upon what one thinks is good or bad. In any case, it is a mighty small list compared to the other list one could make.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:16:25 PM
I made a thread about it. I can't recall off the top of my head what it was about.
He could've gotten brownie points in both parties if he had followed through with overhauling American infrastructure. That was something that Sanders wanted to work with him on. Or completely pulling out troops from Iraq and Syria, which didn't happen.
He's had such a negative administration that drinking water correctly must seem like a big win for him.
Yeah--or walking right.
Trump weakens landmark environmental law (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/trump-to-weaken-national-environmental-policy-act.html), the National Environmental Policy Act, which required Federal agencies to evaluate the environmental effects of their actions. Now, fewer projects will be subject to these sort of environmental evaluations. This in addition to the previous gutting of American environmental laws (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/24/5-major-trump-climate-rollbacks-you-might-have-missed-in-2019.html).
This move is certainly in keeping with his recent actions - Don't Tell The CDC and Please Slow Down Testing. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil - a blind eye sees no injustice.
Quote“This may be the single biggest giveaway to polluters in the past 40 years,†said Brett Hartl, government affairs director at the Center for Biological Diversity.
“NEPA’s dismantling is a win for corruption, a win for polluters, and a win for those that profit off the destruction of our planet,†Hartl said. “Everyone else loses.â€
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 04:18:59 PM
Trump weakens landmark environmental law (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/trump-to-weaken-national-environmental-policy-act.html), the National Environmental Policy Act, which required Federal agencies to evaluate the environmental effects of their actions. Now, fewer projects will be subject to these sort of environmental evaluations. This in addition to the previous gutting of American environmental laws (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/24/5-major-trump-climate-rollbacks-you-might-have-missed-in-2019.html).
This move is certainly in keeping with his recent actions - Don't Tell The CDC and Please Slow Down Testing. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil - a blind eye sees no injustice.
This is another one of those issues that I see as bad policy (environmental impact, ignoring community concerns, more corruption) and other people will see as good policy (faster infrastructure growth, cheaper energy). Supporters will also cite more jobs but that isn't true, it's actually fewer jobs.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:49:51 PM
Didn't he order some sort of assassination strike against a foreign government official, prompting a retaliatory shelling of American troops?
Not exactly Nobel Peace Prize material.
Obama got a Nobel Peace prize before he did anything! Magic N*word. And started 4 new wars, twice as many as George W started, and he kept Afghanistan going while withdrawing the US from Iraq with its tail between its legs. Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh! Gen Suleimani was on the US death list since 2005, for participation in improvised explosive attacks against US et al in Iraq. Democrats want all enemies of the US to win win win (if the current WH is Republican). One third or more of the US are domestic enemies. Foreigners are defacto enemies.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 01:52:36 PM
I was surprised he even brought up decriminalizing homosexuality at all considering the Republicans still have in their platform that marriage is between one man and one woman.
Putin and Russian parliament are passing legislation changing their constitution to ban same-sex marriage. According to the Pew Research Center’s Global Attitudes Survey in 2019, only 14 percent of Russians said homosexuality should be accepted by society, while 74 percent said it shouldn’t be.
Darn those Russian socialists ;-) In the 1950s, 55% of all engineers in the Soviet Union were women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
That strike that killed an Iranian general was just condemned by the UN as immoral. I guess, if one really stretches it it could be good. Or not.
The UN is a communist front organization since 1951. It only functioned once, in 1950, when the Soviet security counsel guy left the room temporarily to potty, then the others snuck in a UN police action against N Korea. Today it is Agenda 2020 etc ... which makes it the enemy of humanity. Same as anyone who supports the UN. The UN was created by noted Communists, FDR and Eleanor ;-))
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 06:08:20 PM
This is another one of those issues that I see as bad policy (environmental impact, ignoring community concerns, more corruption) and other people will see as good policy (faster infrastructure growth, cheaper energy). Supporters will also cite more jobs but that isn't true, it's actually fewer jobs.
This is what you get when you appoint lobbyists to your cabinet. All such appointees are lobbyists for some money making scheme or other (often war profiteering).
This is why Russia and Putin are hated now ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjixLT6DX7M
Same with Poland and Hungary. Commie Britain and Commie USA don't like this at all.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 16, 2020, 06:08:20 PM
This is another one of those issues that I see as bad policy (environmental impact, ignoring community concerns, more corruption) and other people will see as good policy (faster infrastructure growth, cheaper energy). Supporters will also cite more jobs but that isn't true, it's actually fewer jobs.
It's a few jobs in a dying sector of obsolete technology at huge environmental expense. And every time that pipeline has a leak, we pay dearly for it - in money and in lives. It's such a fool's bargain.
There were plans for a new pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Pipeline) to run through NC and through the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia. Just imagine the economic cost of it springing a leak at that parkway. Thankfully, the project was scrapped. Too costly. Imagine that. A project that would supposedly usher in an economic boon cancelled because its too costly. Cost/revenue is supposed to be its main selling point! Definitely a mismatch between expectations and reality.
Trump has been pushing for offshore drilling and it's doubtful that he's given a single thought to any of the pros or cons of that - he has oil buddies and they like money. Nothing else matters to him. There's a reason why offshore drilling was previously banned. We don't want and certainly can't afford another Deepwater Horizon. That's a liability in the dozens of billions, to say nothing of human life and nature itself.
Or we could just invest in newer, cleaner energy and create much longer-lasting jobs at a fraction of the cost while simultaneously pursuing true energy independence, all without biting our nails that our backyard is going to be a superfund site and toxic sludge is going to spill into our drinking water. It's really a very simple choice. Like so many things, it's only "controversial" because of partisan politics.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 16, 2020, 10:42:58 AM
Can anybody recall anything--and I mean anything--positive that the orange monster has done?
I was talking to a brother the other day, and he mentioned that he spoke to our youngest brother recently (all via phone). My youngest brother is the only christian in the clan (due to his avidly christian wife) and only trumpie. My brother asked him what he thought of trump's lies--his reply was 'what lies???'. I am so tempted to call the little jerk and tell him something like this--Mom channeled me last night and told me to tell you that you are no long a member of this family and no longer any sort of relative. I am sorely tempted--probably won't do it, tho. Anyway, anybody that is alive knows that trump cares nothing for the truth and only speaks it by mistake. That got me to wondering--has he done anything at all that is positive??? I can't remember anything. Can any of you???
One and only one: the directive to return to the moon by 2024. That's the only thumbs-up I'll give him.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 09:54:06 PM
It's a few jobs in a dying sector of obsolete technology at huge environmental expense. And every time that pipeline has a leak, we pay dearly for it - in money and in lives. It's such a fool's bargain.
There were plans for a new pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Pipeline) to run through NC and through the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia. Just imagine the economic cost of it springing a leak at that parkway. Thankfully, the project was scrapped. Too costly. Imagine that. A project that would supposedly usher in an economic boon cancelled because its too costly. Cost/revenue is supposed to be its main selling point! Definitely a mismatch between expectations and reality.
Trump has been pushing for offshore drilling and it's doubtful that he's given a single thought to any of the pros or cons of that - he has oil buddies and they like money. Nothing else matters to him. There's a reason why offshore drilling was previously banned. We don't want and certainly can't afford another Deepwater Horizon. That's a liability in the dozens of billions, to say nothing of human life and nature itself.
Or we could just invest in newer, cleaner energy and create much longer-lasting jobs at a fraction of the cost while simultaneously pursuing true energy independence, all without biting our nails that our backyard is going to be a superfund site and toxic sludge is going to spill into our drinking water. It's really a very simple choice. Like so many things, it's only "controversial" because of partisan politics.
Michael Moore says you are wrong, unless you mean thorium reactors. Wind and solar won't do it.
Quote from: trdsf on July 16, 2020, 10:22:32 PM
One and only one: the directive to return to the moon by 2024. That's the only thumbs-up I'll give him.
Moon mining only practical if you have infinite money. The world and the US is going broke. The original Moon shot was Cold War strutting.
Quote from: trdsf on July 16, 2020, 10:22:32 PM
One and only one: the directive to return to the moon by 2024. That's the only thumbs-up I'll give him.
I had forgot about that. Yeah, I can get behind that one.
Congratulations, now America has better dishwashers, dryers, showerheads and faucets...etc. This is by far the most alarming one if you ask me.
https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1283938709348519938?s=21
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 17, 2020, 12:44:26 AM
Congratulations, now America has better dishwashers, dryers, showerheads and faucets...etc. This is by far the most alarming one if you ask me.
https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1283938709348519938?s=21
tRump on LED Light Bulbs, LOL
'The bulb that we're being forced to use â€" No. 1, to me, most importantly, the light's no good. I always look orange. And so do you. The light is the worst."
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 09:54:06 PM
There were plans for a new pipeline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Coast_Pipeline) to run through NC and through the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia. Just imagine the economic cost of it springing a leak at that parkway. Thankfully, the project was scrapped. Too costly. Imagine that. A project that would supposedly usher in an economic boon cancelled because its too costly. Cost/revenue is supposed to be its main selling point! Definitely a mismatch between expectations and reality.
First of all it's not about cost/revenue. That's just the way the package is sold (as you know - I'm just restating it). It's the result of lobbying done by corporate America, and much of the cost will be paid for by taxpayers, especially costs of cleanup and maintenance. Hey, I would like a private subway from my house to the liquor store, but I don't have the lobbying power. If I did, the government would build it for me. This is not unusual, but the way government works.
A similar case: The Pacific Northwest public lands were riddled with logging roads. I've been told enough miles nationally to reach the moon and back, and roads don't come cheap, but logging companies wanted the timber, and I guess because these are "public lands," the government decided that they would "cost share" the road building with industry. In real terms, this means "increase the profit of industry at public expense, while exploiting public resources." When a valley was almost denuded the road would be closed to mitigate environmental damages. Someone crunched the numbers one time and pointed out that as a reason to create jobs, it would be cheaper to just pay loggers and mill workers to stay home for what it cost to build the roads to create the jobs.
The cost/revenue issue eventually became a big controversy, and I was told by a Senator from Idaho, Larry Craig, at a public hearing in Missoula in 1991 that now the roads could be used in perpetuity for second cuttings. It was a good argument politically, but seriously flawed logically and mathematically. When the Forest Service could no longer sustain that level of harvest, the mills began to close and people were put out of work, and it was suddenly revealed that roads would be put to sleep, many even bulldozed out of existence, because the cost of maintaining them was far too great. So Larry Craig's argument, which was a common industry meme at the time, was false. Maybe it was an oversight, but more likely a well known fact in Congress that maintaining them could never be cost effective. And you and I pay for this kind of shit all the time. We are lied to by our leaders all the time.
Mary Trump nailed it last night. She said if the orange monster were to win in 2020 that the American Experiment would be over. I believe her.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 17, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
Mary Trump nailed it last night. She said if the orange monster were to win in 2020 that the American Experiment would be over. I believe her.
I'm thinking about reading that woman's book. It would be the first insider tell all/or 'partly all' book I've bothered with, but I struggle trying to make sense of Trump, and I'm thinking it may shed some light on why he is so self conflicting, uncompromising, self possessed, fact deprived, and illogical. I usually expect such books to be disappointing, but I'm tempted.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 17, 2020, 09:42:43 AM
Mary Trump nailed it last night. She said if the orange monster were to win in 2020 that the American Experiment would be over. I believe her.
Every family has one ...
Biden will have a tell all book ... Mein Senility
Trump campaign funds transferred to Trump business (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7?r=US&IR=T)
QuoteThe Post reported in December 2018 that shortly after the election, Saudi-funded lobbyists spent more than $270,000 to rent rooms for about 500 nights at the Trump International Hotel in Washington.
The RNC has spent more than $2 million at Trump Organization hotels and resorts. And Trump's campaign, which is funded in part by donations from the president's supporters and big-dollar donors, has spent more than $14 million at his properties.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 17, 2020, 11:31:26 PM
Trump campaign funds transferred to Trump business (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7?r=US&IR=T)
I suspect this is
Trump chump change. Who knows what kinds of financial schemes Mr. Art of the Deal will have in place before he leaves office.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 17, 2020, 11:31:26 PM
Trump campaign funds transferred to Trump business (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-sent-380000-to-business-in-2-days-2020-7?r=US&IR=T)
Typically this is tightly controlled ... as in you can't mix personal and campaign funds. Though I think a lot of pols get away with it.
""Ask Prince Andrew About It": Trump Warned Epstein's Island Was "Absolute Cesspool" In 2015" ... or ask many Dems ;-)
21 attorneys general sue Trump admin (https://apnews.com/0c35e25bc4e93212dd9ff210cedcfd74)
QuoteAttorneys general in 20 states and the District of Columbia sued the Trump administration on Tuesday, alleging that new federal rules undermine their ability to protect rivers, lakes and streams within their borders.
QuoteThe lawsuit led by California, New York and Washington state claims that the regulation changes violate the federal Clean Water Act and decades of legal decisions and administrative precedent. It was filed in federal court in San Francisco and alleges that the EPA did not follow proper procedures in changing the regulations.
The former head of the EPA, Scott Pruitt, resigned amid scandal (coincidentally, the EPA Inspector General's Office closed two probes on him (https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/11/29/epa-watchdog-closes-two-probes-into-scott-pruitts-conduct-citing-his-resignation/) because he resigned before he could be interviewed and they can't subpoena officials who have resigned and therefore couldn't complete their investigations. Isn't that interesting?)
The new EPA head was/is a coal lobbyist who apparently can't even figure out if human-caused global warming exists. Bear that in mind when reading the EPA's statement on this matter.
Btw, North Carolina is among of the states suing. We have a lot of natural beauty here and tourism dollars always help. Ruining that so some fat cats can get even fatter doesn't even make economic sense, let alone moral or practical sense.
The goal of the Elite controlled EPA? Same for both parties. Making a paradise for the wealthy (Bohemian Grove) and keep all the deplorables out (and keep the MJ profits in). This is already true with as many beaches as possible (and taxpayers get to pay for storm damage).
Rep Matt Gaetz caught funneling taxpayer money to ex-Trump aide ousted because of white nationalist ties (https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/matt-gaetz-caught-improperly-funneling-taxpayer-money-to-ex-trump-aide-ousted-in-racism-scandal-report/)
QuoteRep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) has been caught breaking House ethics rules by funneling taxpayer money to a private speech-writing consultant who also happens to be a scandal-plagued former aide to President Donald Trump.
Politico reports that Gaetz’s office improperly sent $28,000 in taxpayer money to a limited liability corporation linked to Darren Beattie, a Trump aide who was ousted in 2018 after it was revealed he spoke at a conference featuring several prominent white nationalists.
His office says it was a "clerical error".
Btw, this guy is also on the record denying human-caused climate change.
"Democratic Ex-Congressman Charged With Rigging Votes, Bribery, Falsifying Records And Obstruction" ... suborned 2014, 2015, 2016 ... why not just invalidate all elections since 2010?
"Steele's "Primary Subsource" Was Alcoholic Russian National Who Worked With Trump Impeachment Witness At Brookings" ... wrong. All true enlightenment comes from CIA agents on LSD staring at goats
Quote from: SGOS on July 17, 2020, 10:22:37 AM
I'm thinking about reading that woman's book. It would be the first insider tell all/or 'partly all' book I've bothered with, but I struggle trying to make sense of Trump, and I'm thinking it may shed some light on why he is so self conflicting, uncompromising, self possessed, fact deprived, and illogical. I usually expect such books to be disappointing, but I'm tempted.
I agree that those kind of books almost never measure up even half the hype they create. While this one made me curious, it might be just about what we all know; an ordinary profile of a narcissist with psychopathic traits. That's boring too.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 26, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
I agree that those kind of books almost never measure up even half the hype they create. While this one made me curious, it might be just about what we all know; an ordinary profile of a narcissist with psychopathic traits. That's boring too.
That's where I'm at too. They can often be insightful, but tend to report a lot of what everyone already knows.
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Quote from: drunkenshoe on July 26, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
I agree that those kind of books almost never measure up even half the hype they create. While this one made me curious, it might be just about what we all know; an ordinary profile of a narcissist with psychopathic traits. That's boring too.
While I'm glad Mary's book came out now--and it did confirm much of what I thought of this creature--the real tell-all book I'm interested in is when someone can fill me in on why sooooooo many people voted for the orange monster and why they still support him. I think that (trump's presidency) tells us more about how very sick our society is than is does about this one sick creature.
You would love an apocalypse movie staring Trump ... Nightmare On Pennsylvania Avenue ;-))
"2018 Soros Threat Flashback: 'Trump Will Disappear In 2020 Or Sooner'" ... know who you serve
Nadler: "What you want is irrelevant" ... referring to a GOP Rep, during the AG Barr hearing today. Should be Nadler's last words before the guillotine blade drops on him. French revolutions eat their own.
"Beijing Professor Who Says He Was "Framed" On Prostitution Charges Takes Unheard Of Step Of Suing Police" ... General Flynn should do the same thing against the FBI (running dogs of the CCP).
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 26, 2020, 04:48:53 PM
While I'm glad Mary's book came out now--and it did confirm much of what I thought of this creature--the real tell-all book I'm interested in is when someone can fill me in on why sooooooo many people voted for the orange monster and why they still support him. I think that (trump's presidency) tells us more about how very sick our society is than is does about this one sick creature.
A lot of people get their news from Tucker Carlson and similar people. A lot of people equate wealth with ability/success. A lot of people love The Party and hate Goldstein. A lot of people love reality stars for reasons I can't fathom. And a lot of people are narrow-mindedly focused on just a few issues - if you tell them you love America and Jesus and want to get rid of "those people", you could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and not lose voters.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 29, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
A lot of people get their news from Tucker Carlson and similar people. A lot of people equate wealth with ability/success. A lot of people love The Party and hate Goldstein. A lot of people love reality stars for reasons I can't fathom. And a lot of people are narrow-mindedly focused on just a few issues - if you tell them you love America and Jesus and want to get rid of "those people", you could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and not lose voters.
A lot of people get their info from non-communist sources ;-) Yes, wealth isn't ability/success. Just ask Caligula. I hate all parties. I am Goldstein. Reality stars are a fantasy. I would like to lose voters (by genocide). Most people don't have enough mind to be narrow-minded ;-)
"Flynn Update: Order To Dismiss Case "Vacated"; Case Will Be Reheard In August" ... by full Fed court of appeals. Prior action was by partial court. Maybe by Labor Day we can legally hear Gen Flynn's testimony against the FBI coup.
Because this was not completed (the impeachment), this is what we get; a dictator. The orange monster has set the stage. Mail-in ballots are badly things. Not good, not fair, not legal. So, he put in place a new postmaster general who is his toady. Now the toady is busy fucking up the mail delivery system already that getting the absentee ballots out in time is already problematic and getting them mailed back in time is looking the same. Ah, yes, an illegal election, a bigly fucking mess and the orange monster will suspend it as being illegal. Then we will have our very own Putin right here. It is amazing how this 'stupid' man dismantled this country.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 01, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Because this was not completed (the impeachment), this is what we get; a dictator. The orange monster has set the stage. Mail-in ballots are badly things. Not good, not fair, not legal. So, he put in place a new postmaster general who is his toady. Now the toady is busy fucking up the mail delivery system already that getting the absentee ballots out in time is already problematic and getting them mailed back in time is looking the same. Ah, yes, an illegal election, a bigly fucking mess and the orange monster will suspend it as being illegal. Then we will have our very own Putin right here. It is amazing how this 'stupid' man dismantled this country.
LARPing Trots. Weaker than Stalin's butthole. If you don't like someone, murder them. Easier if you are the dictator of course!
Absentee ballots stolen by Evil Trump in California primary? Really? Did he mess up the Clinton/Buttagieg app at the Iowa caucus? I would love Putin as our dictator. Very fit compared to Trump, and looks great without a shirt on a horse riding thru Siberia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdhHZeDZ1Hs
He is an alpha male. The majority of males are beta males, and they fantasize, but won't do anything, about killing all the alpha males. Trump is a sort of alpha male. Obama would have sucked Kim Jong Un's cock in 2017.
(https://preview.redd.it/xq5hd9eta8e51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=67bba69608fd6cbb573e5a74990c9ed4149279f2)
https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-covid-19-plan-maybe-axed-for-political-reasons-report-2020-7
https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-hired-college-roommate-national-covid-coronavirus-testing-plan-2020-7?utm_source=reddit.com
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 01, 2020, 11:43:55 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/kushner-hired-college-roommate-national-covid-coronavirus-testing-plan-2020-7?utm_source=reddit.com
This one may not be the most offensive thing in the scandal, but it made me laugh.
QuoteThe report said the team also procured 1 million defunct coronavirus tests from a company that misspelled its own name in an invoice.
Vast Jewish conspiracy ... Auschwitz is coming for them, right? Hitler and Stalin can't both be wrong?
Did Michelle (Michael) Obama hire her college friend to build the crappy ACA website?
Grifting trillions from government contracts since the Civil War (shoddy refers to crap shoes issued to Union troops). Confederates didn't even have shoes, that is why they were heading to Gettysberg.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 01, 2020, 10:25:17 AM
Because this was not completed (the impeachment), this is what we get; a dictator. The orange monster has set the stage. Mail-in ballots are badly things. Not good, not fair, not legal. So, he put in place a new postmaster general who is his toady. Now the toady is busy fucking up the mail delivery system already that getting the absentee ballots out in time is already problematic and getting them mailed back in time is looking the same. Ah, yes, an illegal election, a bigly fucking mess and the orange monster will suspend it as being illegal. Then we will have our very own Putin right here. It is amazing how this 'stupid' man dismantled this country.
Is it too late to get the Pony Express running again?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 01, 2020, 05:32:36 PM
Is it too late to get the Pony Express running again?
It only ran for a few months. Telegraph made it obsolete.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/01/politics/donald-trump-election-voting/index.html
QuoteBehind President Donald Trump's rhetoric railing against the expansion of vote-by-mail efforts ahead of the fall, his team is fighting to preserve the aspects of mail-in voting that they hope will offer Trump a strategic advantage.
That has included a push in various states for policies such as enhanced signature matching, requirements for people to file an application before they receive a ballot and limits to when and where mail-in ballots will be counted -- things election experts have said could lead to fewer votes being counted from groups that skew Democratic.
Meanwhile, the President has begun laying the groundwork for the doubt and suspicion he could cast on election results if counting mail-in ballots ultimately delays the declaration of a winner.
"I want to have the election. But I also don't want to have to wait for three months and then find out that the ballots are all missing and the election doesn't mean anything. That's what's going to happen," Trump said Thursday at a news conference, during which he also called vote-by-mail a "disaster" and argued people should have to cast their votes in person.
"Mail-in ballots will lead to the greatest fraud," he said, without evidence.
But some administration officials and Republican allies have expressed frustration at Trump's rhetoric behind closed doors -- acknowledging that mail-in voting will likely be necessary and perhaps even helpful for the President in some places.
"It's not smart," one senior administration official said of Trump's comments, noting the likelihood that the pandemic will make voting in-person, at least in some areas, impossible. "When we are eventually forced to have mail-in ballots, it's our people who won't vote because they don't trust the system."
Mean while in Texas....
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/26/mail-voting-supreme-court-lets-texas-deny-ballots-most-voters/3244744001/
QuoteWASHINGTON â€" The Supreme Court ruled Friday that Texas need not treat all voters the same when deciding whether to allow mail-in voting during the coronavirus pandemic.
The court refused to block a decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, which had ruled that all voters do not have to be allowed to vote by mail. Texas gives that option only to voters age 65 and older.
The state's Democratic Party challenged that policy, warning that younger voters would "be forced to either risk contracting COVID-19 during in-person voting or relinquish their right to vote at all."
State officials had countered that "there is no constitutional right to vote by mail. So long as a state has permitted voting through other means, which Texas has, the right to vote is not implicated."
I just know that come late November we will be literally at war with Trump and his goons.
"CIA Fabricated Russiagate "Evidence", Says Former NSA Tech Chief" ... war started by Hillary supporters in 2016. Round up all the Dems for FEMA reeducation.
Dems have rejected almost every election lost since 1968. They are gods.
Quote from: Baruch on August 02, 2020, 08:18:27 AM
"CIA Fabricated Russiagate "Evidence", Says Former NSA Tech Chief" ... war started by Hillary supporters in 2016. Round up all the Dems for FEMA reeducation.
Dems have rejected almost every election lost since 1968. They are gods.
Oh really? LOL, you have changed. It's not that something changed about or in you, Baruch.
You have changed. Lololol
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 02, 2020, 03:37:51 PM
Oh really? LOL, you have changed. It's not that something changed about or in you, Baruch. You have changed. Lololol
I am THE original shape shifting reptilian alien ... the conspiracy theories are true! Trapped on a planet of primitive primates. Can't return to the "mother ship" since my mother passed away ;-)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 02, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
Naah...cut the crap. You have changed.
It isn't giant turtles all the way down, it is crap all the way down. Got Tidy-Bowl man?
I would pay to watch "2020 The Movie" in streaming, next Jan 1, if only it was fiction!
Quote from: Baruch on August 02, 2020, 04:31:51 PM
It isn't giant turtles all the way down, it is crap all the way down. Got Tidy-Bowl man?
I would pay to watch "2020 The Movie" in streaming, next Jan 1, if only it was fiction!
NO. And you lost respect because you've have changed, you idiot. It's happend in the last couple of weeks. And so what? Your country has been going on with the worst shit possible. But you know what, the old white males from the West are so powerfully angry but pink assed? Or I can tell you go...? Why are you so boring?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 02, 2020, 04:47:58 PM
NO. And you lost respect because you've have changed, you idiot. It's happend in the last couple of weeks. And so what? Your country has been going on with the worst shit possible. But you know what, the old white males from the West are so powerfully angry but pink assed? Or I can tell you go...? Why are you so boring?
I didn't know you were the food critic who loved my ratatouille. Don't pay attention to the rat.
You haven't seen the worst yet. Nuclear genocide is coming. The Elite are carrying out a fire sale of the plebs (not bonfire of the vanities). Did you see the post on how Trump will be nominated in the other string? Got a bikini (atoll)? Where I used to live before retirement, we had Marshallese people who have been refugees since the 50s nuclear tests. Their home is still "hot".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2I66dHbSRA
So people in our town were two degrees of separation from the Big One.
LOL. OK.
The conspiracy theories of both D and R are true. Rashomon.
You didn't comment on the other string, which has the blockbuster! Missing the forest for the trees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4dDs0T7sM
You know what...this is probably the best thing those piece of shits ever did. So yeah, I like it.
(https://i.imgur.com/HZGJ4uw.png)
Well. Communists do love the Army of the Unemployed ;-(
Nike uses slave labor.
LOL I couldn't find anything else. It's not just you though. I've lost the bet too. By you deserve it.
It's just ma head hurts like hell...hope yours will too.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 03, 2020, 03:31:24 AM
LOL I couldn't find anything else. It's not just you though. I've lost the bet too. By you deserve it.
It's just ma head hurts like hell...hope yours will too.
Trump is having a convention nomination without any press. Maybe that is normal in Turkey.
"Deutsche Bank Launches Investigation Into Personal Banker To Trump, Kushner Over 2013 Transaction" ... you vill keep your troops in Germany supporting our economy or we will wear little mustaches and gas all your Jewish in-laws.
"Cover-Up Continues: Revisiting The Incident At Benghazi" ... put Obama, Biden and Clinton in Guantanamo already!
"Mysterious Drone Swarm Breached Secure Airspace Over Largest Nuclear Power Plant In US" ... practicing next false flag in time for election. Attack electrical power, if you don't vote for CIA MK Ultra drone Biden.
Trump's personal banker under investigation by Deutsche Bank (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/deutsche-bank-trump-investigation-jared-kushner-private-banker-a9651081.html)
QuoteThe Trump family’s financial conduct has previously raised alarm at Deutsche Bank. Last year, it came to light that the bank’s money laundering team had flagged several suspicious transactions that set off automatic systems designed to detect illegal activity. The team allegedly recommended that the transactions be flagged with the US treasury, only to be rebuffed by senior executives.
QuoteAnd even before Mr Trump became president, his relationship with Deutsche Bank fell under scrutiny thanks to his massive debts to the bank, which at the time was being fined by US regulators over its provision of toxic mortgages that played a role in the 2008 housing crash. There were concerns at the time that if elected, Mr Trump could intervene in the Deutsche Bank case with a view to protecting his own companies.
Deutsche Bank itself is full of scandals ...
"Deutsche Bank's position as one of the world's leading financial institutions has been repeatedly tarnished in recent years in a series of scandals involving issues such as tax evasion and the sale of toxic mortgage securities."
... and they are nearly bankrupt ... "Deutsche Bank Close to Bankruptcy" ... financing the socialist Euro is very expensive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4dDs0T7sM
You know what...this is probably the best thing those piece of shits ever did. So yeah, I like it.
I liked the Photoshop morphing, to bad turning the US into an all-women, all-Black, all-Hispanic, all-transgender country isn't so simple ;-)
So how many here have skinheads, KKK and Nazis goose-stepping up and down your street every day?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKEO_AH734E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig_btdrmxD4
Turns out that if you just challenge any of the crazy things he says to his face, he crumbles like a house of cards.
Why bother to challenge the drool out of Joe Biden's mouth? Yes, challenge every sitting politician. They want to rob, rape and murder you all.
"Yates Throws "Rogue" Comey Under The Bus Over Flynn Investigation" ... the first one to crack under threat of waterboarding
I am ok with empeaching Trump...
The more you are ignoramus, the more you have a chance to be an American president...
I am absolutly sure that i am more ignoramus than Trump... He can outclass me...
HAHAHA Do you think you(plural u) can organize and can have a power to outclass him?
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 06, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
I am ok with empeaching Trump...
The more you are ignoramus, the more you have a chance to be an American president...
I am absolutly sure that i am more ignoramus than Trump... He can outclass me...
HAHAHA Do you think you(plural u) can organize and can have a power to outclass him?
But can you impeach Erdogan before Turkey become part of the new Beijing Pact?
Obama wasn't a well spoken token hire, he was playing 4-d chess. Trump is playing 11-d chess ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7rJp2Tx7vc
Trump is mostly stupid for volunteering for the worst job in the world. Like he said, his happiest day was the day "before" he announced his candidacy.
People who would vote for Biden, knowing what we all know, are morons. Not smart enough to be hired for dog catcher in a country that has no dogs.
Matt Taibi reporting on The Insider ...
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-spies-who-hijacked-america
Yes, just covering up for their incompetence may create a Civil War ... spooks!
PS ...
“A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.†- Booker T. Washington
"Senate Chairman Subpoenas FBI Director Wray For Russiagate Records; Puts Bidens On Notice Over Ukraine Dealings" ... get the Bidens, gotta collect them all! - Ash Ketchum
"AG Barr Blasts Antifa "Bolsehviks" Who Want "Socialism, Communism" In America" ... history repeats, same as 1919-1920: First Red Scare; Seattle General Strike, bombings (Wall Street Bombing in 1920), riots (May Day Riots in 1919) and strikes (Seattle General Strike in 1919), led by newspapers, Wobblies (IWW) and anarchists of that time. Reds were deported, those legally fighting deportation went into a concentration camp. All during the outbreak of the Spanish Flu.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare
Trump: Spanish flu probably ended WWII (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-spanish-flu-probably-ended-wwii-began-decades-later-2020-8)
I could maybe see this as him just mispeaking. Happens to the best of us. And the average. And the worst. But you know what, the Spanish flu didn't end WWI either.
War weariness, changing fortunes due to the expanding Allied membership (the Allies had amassed a huge advantage in terms of sheer numbers of soldiers and war production by 1918, plus they controlled ocean trade), and an increasingly obvious inability to realistically achieve their war goals led to various armistices, effectively ending the war. I didn't write that B- essay in 7th grade just to have it tarnished by a dotard potus!
Are you guys sure he didn't write his own mental health evaluation like he did his physical evaluation?
I am incoherent sometimes too ;-)
NSA Admiral Rogers and former DIA Lt General Flynn were the only honest Deep State people that Trump found in 2017, Rodgers tipping off Trump about the Trump Tower wiretap and Flynn was also incorruptible. Both men were vilified in order to protect the illegal activities of the Obama administration. Obama is the Dem equivalent of Nixon. If Obama did nothing wrong, then Nixon did nothing wrong. Dems who protect Obama and his coverup, are equivalent to Repubs who protected Nixon and his coverup.
"Two retired army officers are urging General Mark Milley â€" the highest-ranking military officer in the US â€" to remove President Donald Trump from office if he refuses to leave when his term ends." ... what if we are still counting mail-in ballots in January? These two officers have violated their oaths. On the other hand, I support ending democracy, would accept a military coup.
Q-anon much?
"Ex-FBI Resistance Lawyer To Plead Guilty In Durham's Trump-Russia Probe" ... not first to turn "state's evidence" but first to fall. How many more? How high will it go?
"Federal appeals court overturns order for Hillary Clinton to sit for deposition on private email use" ... like in Fynn case, judge got his orders from outside the court. The CIA doesn't want further deposition of Hillary, even though she violated the law by wiping the info from a server under restraint by Congress. But what about the Wiener laptop ... bwahah.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
AntiFa much?
If you're not antifascist does that mean you're profascist?
USPS warns that it may not be able to deliver ballots in time (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-warn-states-mail-in-ballot-delivery/index.html)
USPS mail-sorting machines being removed across the country (https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-turning-off-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election-2020-8)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 14, 2020, 04:12:42 PM
If you're not antifascist does that mean you're profascist?
Anti-fascist like Stalin? He was pro-fascist before he was anti-fascist, because Hitler said bad things about him when he wasn't in the room ;-)
"Graham on ex-FBI lawyer's guilty plea in Durham probe: I suspect he 'knows where the bodies are buried'" ... while we are at it, maybe we can find out the truth behind all those Arkancides ;-) Members of the FBI, who investigated Trump knew by Jan 2017 that he was innocent, as was Flynn (who they tried to turn by threatening his son). After that point it isn't a mistake, it is a political crime. Using Federal office to pursue partisan politics violates the Hatch act.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 14, 2020, 11:11:43 PM
USPS warns that it may not be able to deliver ballots in time (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/usps-warn-states-mail-in-ballot-delivery/index.html)
USPS mail-sorting machines being removed across the country (https://www.businessinsider.com/usps-turning-off-mail-sorting-machines-ahead-of-the-election-2020-8)
SNAFU or deliberate ... you decide. You are on "Candid Government Surveillance" ... what used to be a fun TV show.
"FBI Lied To FISA Court After Concealing Carter Page's CIA Work: Clinesmith Charging Docs" .. Resistance lawyer who pleaded guilty confirmed what we already knew. Carter Page was innocent, but by "discovery" would permit surveillance of anyone he was in contact with, including Trump.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/ZdRTX2swnGiQhAD31vrNwdsXC8Z4AifdUSlxzCWyAsI.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=47a97c9784eb73d3b6b853efcb7bbd35fd1d260a)
Hmmm...
Arrest all Presidents for doing their jobs!
Obama, Biden and Hillary ... "Nuke Russia Now"! aka NRN
"Mueller Aide Weissmann Urges DOJ Attorneys 'Not' To Help On Investigations" .. best not to cooperate before trial, if you think you will be indicted, but specifically, this is interfering with a criminal investigation. Take Weissmann to Devil's Island now!
Ex-Trump official horrified by what he saw (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/miles-taylor-video-donald-trump-dhs-biden-2020-election-border-a9675001.html)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 17, 2020, 07:21:55 PM
Ex-Trump official horrified by what he saw (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/miles-taylor-video-donald-trump-dhs-biden-2020-election-border-a9675001.html)
No damning anyone, if an atheist ;-)
""Gosh Almighty": Democrats Call To End Durham Investigation Despite Proven Criminal Conduct" ... sure they want to end the investigation. Republican Congress could have nailed these people in 2017-18, but didn't, because Never Trumpers. IMHO ... it is wrong for the Republicans to jail Democrats for the same stuff they are guilty of, and vice versa. But i would love to see the corrupt politicians unable to ever show their faces in public again!
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 17, 2020, 01:57:24 AM
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Hmmm...
He's got to get his last-minute marching orders and pointers on how to cheat at elections.
Biden/Harris can get their orders from Beijing with a cell phone call ;-)
Putin ordered 2016 election hack, Senate panel concludes (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/putin-ordered-democratic-hack-to-boost-trump-in-2016-senate-committee-finds-20200819-p55n0s.html)
QuoteThe report found President Vladimir Putin personally directed the Russian efforts to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Clinton.
The panel, formally called the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, also alleged Manafort collaborated with Russians, including oligarch Oleg Deripaska and an alleged Russian intelligence operative, Konstantin Kilimnik, before during and after the election.
The panel found Manafort's role and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence, saying his "high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services ... represented a grave counter-intelligence threat".
"Russia, if you're listening..."
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 18, 2020, 05:30:45 PM
Putin ordered 2016 election hack, Senate panel concludes (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/putin-ordered-democratic-hack-to-boost-trump-in-2016-senate-committee-finds-20200819-p55n0s.html)
It may be worth adding that this is a
Republican controlled Senate panel. I think Moscow Mitch is letting them off the leash, since if they don't get away from Shithead, they lose their majority.
Right now, it looks like it might be too little too late for that.
"Senate Panel Releases Final Report On Russian Interference In 2016, Says Manafort Posed "Grave Counterintelligence Threat"" ... Facebook ads. They didn't make any finding on the DNC leak or Podesta leak or the Hillary mail server leak. Manafort was found guilty of stuff from 2010, from before the election.
Senate panel made criminal referrals of Trump Jr and Jared Kushner, among others (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/senate-made-criminal-referral-trump-jr-bannon-kushner-two-others-n1237155)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 19, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
Senate panel made criminal referrals of Trump Jr and Jared Kushner, among others (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/senate-made-criminal-referral-trump-jr-bannon-kushner-two-others-n1237155)
But never Bill and Hillary Clinton ;-) What you are referring to is the Never Trumper warmongers.
The real threat to the USPS is the Koch plan to privatize it. Diane Feinstein's husband has grifted on all the rural post offices closed under Obama (fact check only said his wife didn't help him secure the contract ... obviously it was Putin).
Bannon arrested for fraud (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/bannon-build-the-wall-indictment/index.html)
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
QuoteBannon and another defendant, Brian Kolfage, promised donors that the campaign, which ultimately raised more than $25 million, was "a volunteer organization" and that "100% of the funds raised...will be used in the execution of our mission and purpose," according to the indictment unsealed Thursday.
But instead, according to prosecutors, Bannon, through a non-profit under his control, used more than $1 million from We Build the Wall to "secretly" pay Kolfage and cover hundreds of thousands of dollars in Bannon's personal expenses.
Kolfage, according to the charges, spent more than $350,000 of the donations on personal expenses, including cosmetic surgery, a luxury SUV, a golf cart, payments toward a boat, home renovations, jewelry, personal tax payments and credit card debt.
Man, these guys are really taking the redhats for suckers. Can't blame them for that impression.
Blue hats are suckers too. American does as American is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6UbYHCkoZs
Congress is as corrupt as it always has been ;-(
Went on to be a combat bomber pilot in WWII, won the Croix De Guerre for his part in bombing the Third Reich, starred in many movies, continued to serve, retired as a Brigadier General of the USAF Reserve.
https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2015/January%202015/0115jimmy.pdf
I respect Tulsi for her service, the other Dem/Rep leaders, not so much.
I see a pardon in Bannon's future...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 20, 2020, 03:42:47 PM
I see a pardon in Bannon's future...
You are the San Francisco Jesus, kind of like Emperor Norton ;-) ... so are you going to sacrifice (your dignity) as a "piss Christ" to save us all from urinary tract problems?
"Obama State Department Official Destroyed Records At Christopher Steele's Request" ... must be like how Hillary destroyed State Department evidence at her own request ;-)
"Why Brennan, Strzok, & DOJ Needed Julian Assange Arrested; And Why UK Officials Obliged..." ... bwahah, maybe Assage knows things about their BS
"The CIA Versus The Kennedys" ... something long forgot ... President Eisenhower put Joe Kennedy Sr on a panel to investigate the CIA in 1956 ... he recommended that the CIA be banned from all cover operations because they were completely amoral about it (Guatemala and Iran). Typical Dem opinion. CIA head Allen Dulles was furious. This started a feud that led to the assassination of JFK and Bobbie. This is coming out again because Bobbie's son, who is not complementary of Dr Fauci, is reminiscing about long forgotten family conversations.
Trump says he "knows nothing" about border wall scam Bannon operated.
His record says otherwise (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/20/trump-reportedly-gave-we-build-the-wall-his-blessing-and-tried-to-steer-1b-contract-to-its-builder/#2ad1c5103904). He even personally tried to steer over 1 billion dollars in government funds to a known scam.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 21, 2020, 01:15:57 PM
Trump says he "knows nothing" about border wall scam Bannon operated.
His record says otherwise (https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/20/trump-reportedly-gave-we-build-the-wall-his-blessing-and-tried-to-steer-1b-contract-to-its-builder/#2ad1c5103904). He even personally tried to steer over 1 billion dollars in government funds to a known scam.
"Steve Bannon & partners arrested for WE BUILD THE WALL charity" ... a private charity, perhaps a scam. Trump isn't a board member.
Trump said, "...Bannon not only lost his job, he lost his mind." ... when he fired him. Trump knew Epstein, but kicked him out of Mar-A-Lago.
The government money for the wall, is national defense and anti-crime to protect the US against domestic enemies enabling human trafficking. Same as the scam in Europe and across the English Channel. Even the Dalai Lama says, these so called refugees have no rights.
It is quite possible that Bannon is just another grifter. Thank G-d, that the Dems have none of those (Clinton Foundation).
Most likely Trump is some kind of crook, but then so are the Bidens. The trick is, if you are skirting the law, is to have very good accountants and lawyers arrange things for plausible deniability. This has worked very well for the Clintons also.
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him ... you can still see the holy place in the Forum where the funeral pyre was lit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0UYvn7J_jY
Trump is gone in 2021 or 2025 ... after that, how will the CCP use the DNC to raise funds for their bioterrorism weapons?
Will there be murder? Will there be civil war? Will Biden attempt to seize power like Antony? Will Harris play the part of Cleopatra? Is Pence like Octavian?
The US election system isn't a modified Athenian Democratic Pnyx, but a modified Roman Republic Camp of Mars ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m08xGa2RHKk
The US senatorial system disadvantages large states (but get more or less covered by the US house system). The US house system is more fair than than the Tribal Assembly, because our system isn't based on classes or to disadvantage the urban population. The US senate system is more like the Centuriate Assmebly, because money for campaigning is much more decisive, except in tiny states.
The Athenian democracy was very different ... designed by Cleisthenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHuQCgfWLa4
The founders of the House of Commons and the House of the US Congress, tried to limit the mob power of democracy.
I have stood on the Pnyx, my Ex has stood in the Forum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klUweWE-u6A
It would be a real upset if voters were to undo Trump's election tampering plan by skipping the whole mailing process entirely by either voting early in person or by delivering their ballot to either their local board of elections or official polling location.
Where I vote, there are never more than 6 people waiting, although it's likely none of them will be wearing a mask. But there's less exposure than buying groceries at Walmart, where half the people are not wearing masks. I've got the stuff for voting by mail, but I don't think I'll send it in. I have friends that are going to the county seat to vote at the registrars office, and I'm waiting for their report (sometime after September 16th). But I think my polling place will be safer.
My mail has slowed down in the last two weeks. It takes three days longer to get a dvd from Netflix, and it seems to be getting slower. Trump really fucked up the mail, and it's amazing how quick he did it, but then Congress has been wanting to get rid of the Post Office for a long time, so eventually it was going to happen. The infrastructure will be sold at pennies on the dollar to UPS or someone else who will then have a monopoly without competition. I couldn't guess what a stamp will cost, or how much longer it will take to get mail.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, but today the saying should be, "If it ain't broke, break it." Then put up a sign that says, "Trump Was Here."
If you can't vote in person (fear of Covid etc) then vote early, vote often (particularly if you are dead) ;-))
Republicans - rich bastards
Democrats - poor bastards
Choose wisely, village idiots ;-p
(https://i.imgur.com/qjaKuFg.png)
Don't worry, they also have the MyPillow guy and the couple who brandished guns against people walking down their street. Very fine people.
At least Conway is out, now maybe we won't have to listen to her lies any more.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 08:29:15 PM
At least Conway is out, now maybe we won't have to listen to her lies any more.
The degenerates went after her daughter. She is a scared mother. You are a Commie.
Perhaps the Repubs can put on a better shoe … as Ed Sullivan used to say ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 08:29:15 PM
At least Conway is out, now maybe we won't have to listen to her lies any more.
Being the "alternative facts" guy/gal is such a cushy gig. Sure, your name is dragged through the mud, but you can buy a mansion. Imagine what turmoil must be going on there that even an unscrupulous person would walk to walk away from that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 24, 2020, 08:38:15 PM
Being the "alternative facts" guy/gal is such a cushy gig. Sure, your name is dragged through the mud, but you can buy a mansion. Imagine what turmoil must be going on there that even an unscrupulous person would walk to walk away from that.
All Republicans are Baby Hitler … see movie, Boys From Brazil
More like Lord of the Flies...
(https://i.imgur.com/woFbV3c.jpg)
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 10:40:05 PM
More like Lord of the Flies...
Dem cities are Roach Motels
Perhaps the Messiahship of Biden will cause all the Republicans to throw themselves into the lake of fire ;-) (image of Gollum)
You true believers are all the same.
The creature keeps posting tweets to his counterpart over here. And they make news pieces of it. AAARRRRRGH!
Even the idea as remote as half a galaxy away that these two can actually get along scares the hell out of me. With Putin of course. *Shudders in pain.
Oh you are a big Turkey! (Pun intended, lol) *Runs
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 24, 2020, 01:14:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qjaKuFg.png)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 25, 2020, 04:19:40 AM
The creature keeps posting tweets to his counterpart over here. And they make news pieces of it. AAARRRRRGH!
Even the idea as remote as half a galaxy away that these two can actually get along scares the hell out of me. With Putin of course. *Shudders in pain.
Confused. I thought Turkey needed occupation by the Soviet Union (to get rid of Islam) … now occupation by Putin?
"FBI 'double standard' briefing Hillary Clinton & NOT Trump. Redacted country revealed..." ... on foreign interference by foreign power in 2016 election. Sen Graham won't say who. But three guesse; Ukraine, UK, China
Sen Cato Sr used to say after every speech: "Carthago Delenda Est!" ... we need to say "FBI Delenta Est!"
"Hillary Clinton “gifted†Maxwell’s nephew 'Arab regime change' position at State Department" ... burn the witch
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"In Biden's America..." *shows footage of Trump's America*
The party that has waged a 200 year war of division against the US ... nullification and secession? Democrats. FEMA camp them.
"Appeals Court Denies Flynn Request To Dismiss Case, Says Judge Can Probe DOJ Reversal" ... OK then, take it to the Supreme Court (with crypto-Liberal Roberts). Flynn should have told the FBI, kill my son and rape my wife, mother-fuckers!
"Carter Page’s FISA Related 'Woods File' Docs Disappear" ... how convenient ...
"State Department Illegally Monitored Trump Jr., Hannity, Ingraham, Posobiec And Others From Kiev: FOIA" ... to avoid laws use a criminal state in Ukraine.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 29, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
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"In Biden's America..." *shows footage of Trump's America*
Funny. The same thought occurred to me yesterday.
All politics is a con. But the marks never want to admit they are morons. One statue we need to burn is of Pericles. This Is Sparta!
Plan to modernize electrical grid blocked by Trump appointees (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/how-trump-appointees-short-circuited-grid-modernization/615433/). It could have saved consumers billions and reduced America's dependence on dirty coal.
It's not just the plaguerat king that's the problem, his minions have to go as well.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 02, 2020, 05:05:31 PM
Plan to modernize electrical grid blocked by Trump appointees (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/how-trump-appointees-short-circuited-grid-modernization/615433/). It could have saved consumers billions and reduced America's dependence on dirty coal.
It's not just the plaguerat king that's the problem, his minions have to go as well.
What modernization? Sending lightning bolts directly from Trump's WH to your house? Oh, you hate coal. Do you also hate nuclear? Minions are cute!
If you don't like petroleum products, do you walk to work and the store? Are you opposed to the oil pipeline from Canada, and Canadian tar sand production? We have many wind electricity generators out West. While they might not be perfected yet (in terms of efficiency and environmental impact), as outlined by Michael Moore, I am very much supportive of that. Have the Exxon KKK dynamited them yet?
Like I told my daughter when she brought up global warming ... are you ready to give up your car, your natural gas to your trailer, and most of your electricity? We do have a photovoltaic residential program here in NM. If carbon dioxide is a pollutant, when will you stop breathing? A purely ecological human lifestyle is called the Stone Age, very small impact of humans on nature, because there are so few humans. End civilization, kill billions of people. Aren't Earth First, terrorists?
"Clinesmith pleads 'sort of' guilty. DOJ closing in on Comey, Strzok, Page & McCabe" ... maybe. FBI was a criminal organization under J Edgar. CIA was a criminal organization under Allen Dulles. US has been a Deep State dictatorship since 1963. I love management ... "I did what I did because I was misinformed by my scheming subordinates" - Adolf Hitler
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/?fbclid=IwAR1z6Ug9pNjK44wZ7ausW2tzEkwVanzqxwrJFEW8UM9BC1oza5mFjKoiKQs
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 03, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/?fbclid=IwAR1z6Ug9pNjK44wZ7ausW2tzEkwVanzqxwrJFEW8UM9BC1oza5mFjKoiKQs
If Clinton or Obama had said that, the impeachment would have been of record time.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 03, 2020, 07:02:50 PM
If Clinton or Obama had said that, the impeachment would have been of record time.
Yes, vast underground Nazi/KKK Senators/Reps would have rose up out of the DC sewers to eat Dem brains ;-)
Sorry, those of you traumatized by Vietnam/draft are not exactly neutral on military affairs. And yes, Trump's a jerk.
Most Americans today, 29 years after the Gulf War, aren't very pro military. Which may be a good thing given warmongering Dems/Repubs.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 03, 2020, 07:02:50 PM
If Clinton or Obama had said that, the impeachment would have been of record time.
Don't forget the rule: IOKIYAR. That forgives everything. That's why a child molester nearly got elected to the Senate in Alabama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama), because that party-identifying R is all-absolving to the knuckledraggers.
Quote from: trdsf on September 06, 2020, 02:03:37 PM
Don't forget the rule: IOKIYAR. That forgives everything. That's why a child molester nearly got elected to the Senate in Alabama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_United_States_Senate_special_election_in_Alabama), because that party-identifying R is all-absolving to the knuckledraggers.
Liberal = Puritanical? Really?
Yeah, there have been news stories about Republicans who should never have made it through the primary, and about Democrats who should never have made it through the primary.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on September 06, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
Yeah, there have been news stories about Republicans who should never have made it through the primary, and about Democrats who should never have made it through the primary.
You want party politics, you get The Machine - should be a quote by Mayor Daley Sr
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 03, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/?fbclid=IwAR1z6Ug9pNjK44wZ7ausW2tzEkwVanzqxwrJFEW8UM9BC1oza5mFjKoiKQs
Yeah I get what he is playing at in his small psychopathic mind. Because those men chose to go there by themselves, right, you fucking piece of shit?!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 07, 2020, 03:53:14 AM
Yeah I get what he is playing at in his small psychopathic mind. Because those men chose to go there by themselves, right, you fucking piece of shit?!
Funny how all atheists are uber-menschen. I am Voltaire, boy toy hidden away in a French chateau with another man's wife.
Unnamed sources say...
Unnamed sources say "look at this instead of the riots burning down US cities."
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on September 07, 2020, 07:04:19 PM
Unnamed sources say...
Unnamed sources say "look at this instead of the riots burning down US cities."
CIA/FBI. Defenestrate the security agencies after election, or they will assassinate every leader they don't like?
"Steele "Acted Crazy" - FBI Handler Says "People's Ears Were Bleeding"" .. he is the fall guy, the new Oswald
"Adam Schiff's Latest Russia 'Whistleblower' Investigated By House Intel, Inspector General, & Was Fired From DHS For Surveilling Press" ... nuts in the same shell
"Woodward Book Exposes General James Mattis' Plot To Overthrow The US Government..." ... not called Mad Dog for nothing
"Mueller's 'Angry Democrats' Scrubbed Cell Phones After Russia Investigation" .. A few good men? I would take a few honest ones. Mueller must have whipped his own brain, based on his testimony last year.
"Peter Strzok says mistakes in FISA applications were due to agents being 'overworked'" ... squirming out of trouble?
Quote from: Baruch on September 07, 2020, 12:17:16 PM
Funny how all atheists are uber-menschen. I am Voltaire, boy toy hidden away in a French chateau with another man's wife.
Eeeh, fuck your moronic babbling. How old is Trump? How many drafts has he avoided? He is talking about the men who died a hundred years ago ffs. Did those boys have any choice? Anywhere? Skip a few places in the world, do they have a choice now?
Is it true that Melanie Trump got a special fast track green card given to scientists and artists...people with extraordinary talent-ability? ROFL Wasn't that woman a fashion model?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 12, 2020, 06:32:13 AM
Is it true that Melanie Trump got a special fast track green card given to scientists and artists...people with extraordinary talent-ability? ROFL Wasn't that woman a fashion model?
A nude model first.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 12, 2020, 05:18:04 AM
Eeeh, fuck your moronic babbling. How old is Trump? How many drafts has he avoided? He is talking about the men who died a hundred years ago ffs. Did those boys have any choice? Anywhere? Skip a few places in the world, do they have a choice now?
Yes, all real American presidents have killed enemies with their own bloody hands ... are you LARPing as an alpha-male?
If he spoke about them at all, even if the comment wasn't taken out of context, my relatives who participated in WW I to make the world safe from the Central Powers (Turkey cough, cough)? None of them died or were injured, though my great-aunt's time in an English hospital as a volunteer from Texas, might have had PTSD. Are you opposed to all war? Are you opposed to conscription? Is war tragic (it is)? I volunteered too, for 32 years, to support the DoD .. against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
"Trump Is Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize AGAIN, Media Tries To Cancel The Award" ... so typical of the impotent Left. But can we make Kissinger and Obama give back their awards for warmongering?
People without a real argument, rely on character assassination, or real assassination ;-( Marxist/BLM theory is crap and they know it. They want enough useful idiots to put them into absolute power.
Quote from: Baruch on September 12, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
Yes, all real American presidents have killed enemies with their own bloody hands ... are you LARPing as an alpha-male?
If he spoke about them at all, even if the comment wasn't taken out of context, my relatives who participated in WW I to make the world safe from the Central Powers (Turkey cough, cough)? None of them died or were injured, though my great-aunt's time in an English hospital as a volunteer from Texas, might have had PTSD. Are you opposed to all war? Are you opposed to conscription? Is war tragic (it is)? I volunteered too, for 32 years, to support the DoD .. against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Fuck your relatives and then fuck you. Nobody gets to question people with no choice while they cheat their way through everything and then bark from some fake high ground a century later. You can't even grasp what the is issue about. You are like a frustrated teenager.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 12, 2020, 02:32:32 PM
Fuck your relatives and then fuck you. Nobody gets to question people with no choice while they cheat their way through everything and then bark from some fake high ground a century later. You can't even grasp what the is issue about. You are like a frustrated teenager.
I expect to see you on horseback as a Massagetae warrior queen (Amazon), like the one that fought and killed Cyrus the Great. Unlike you, I would praise your ancestors. Unless they are Lydians of course, the co-inventors of Western money. Damn capitalists them and the Ionians.
(https://i.imgur.com/LquSMbu.jpg)
Glad you pay attention to politicians, so that everything you do is stupid ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 12, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
I expect to see you on horseback as a Massagetae warrior queen (Amazon), like the one that fought and killed Cyrus the Great. Unlike you, I would praise your ancestors.
What Ancestors? Which ones? How about Hun Hordes? You'd like an Attila sweeping around wouldn't you, or are you a Genghis Khan fan like most of the male population in the world? Doesn't matter... all of us; all of you are bit of Hun and Mongolian,lol.
I'm not Persian. (I wish, I was... have you ever seen a persian woman?) I was born somewhere between 'Phyrigia' and 'Capadoccia', grew up in 'Konstantiniyye' and now living in 'Ionia'. Both my parents are from 'Paphlagonia' which was between Bithinya and Pontus who moved to 'Ancyra' where I was born (Celtic Galatia). Who knows where did my grandparents come from. Probably from around Georgia and Armenia, as far as I understand. I'm a real mutt. Stop 'ancestoring' me.
Also, 'Lydia' is not 'West'. Ancient Greek Settlements are not 'West'. These are Eastern settlements and cultures from Hittites to Romans. There is no such thing as Byzantine Empire; it is Eastern Roman Empire. It's a made up name given hundreds of years later after Ottomans ended it.
QuoteUnless they are Lydians of course, the co-inventors of Western money. Damn capitalists them and the Ionians.
Money? Are you one of those people who think something gets invented at one place, at one time in history and then spreads and gets used from then on? That wouldn't surprise me.
No, every tribe in a mud hut, landed men on the moon. Yes, we each have a varied ancestry. Have you cancelled all of yours? Got German-envy? I am nearly half-Germanic (from periphery), not ashamed at all. Hitler did nothing wrong, other than losing (his mind first, then the war). If he had stayed allied to Stalin, we wouldn't be having this conversation, however awkward that alliance made Turkey. If the Chinese land their man on the moon, is that your accomplishment too? That is the problem with internationalism ... claiming non-existent accomplishment because of 6-degrees of separation, and losing any tribal pride. My Navajos are healthier.
Gawd...you are so narrow minded that's what you got from that.
Not bigoted, but not internationalist/globalist. Unless Soros pays me well.
Nominated for the Bay of Pigs Award (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/trump-bay-of-pigs-award-florida-cuba-biden). Very prestigious. It's not every day you're up for a Noble named after a famously disastrous failed coup.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 14, 2020, 01:43:25 AM
Nominated for the Bay of Pigs Award (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/13/trump-bay-of-pigs-award-florida-cuba-biden). Very prestigious. It's not every day you're up for a Noble named after a famously disastrous failed coup.
Stupid joke, as usual, on the part of the Twitter in Chief. Yes, just a "I got the Cuban vote in Florida" mockery of the Dems. Who were the ones who lost at the Bay of Pigs. And later at Saigon.
Did you see this?
Ricin: Letter containing poison addressed to Trump at White House
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54221893
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 20, 2020, 04:29:11 AM
Did you see this?
Ricin: Letter containing poison addressed to Trump at White House
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54221893
Just fake news. Russians use ricin. Proof that the Russians are anti-Trump, bwahaha
"Disgraceful delay! Republican Senate finally approves subpoenas for Russiagate ringleaders" ... good, apply instruments of torture while they testify on TV. Don't forget Obama, Biden and his son Hunter. Bill and Hillary Clinton too. Have Ghislaine Maxwell make a guest appearance to identify some of these people. Send George W and Barak to The Hague for war crimes, including former PM Tony Blair.
"ENTIRE EPSTEIN FLIGHT LOG TO BE RELEASED, ULTRA RICH PEOPLE PANICKING AS THEY WILL BE EXPOSED" ... island of the damned.
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"FBI Agent Who Discovered Hillary's Emails On Weiner Laptop Claims He Was Told To Erase Computer" ... the agent's computer, not the Weiner computer. Where is the Weiner computer, that has the copies of the Clinton email server traffic subpeoned by Congress in 2016? Obama admin and the Mueller team after they finished their investigation in 2019, match Hillary in erasing legal evidence.
Full Senate report on Bidens in Ukraine to be out before first debate ...
Yates "The Second Coming"
"Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
Both parties involved in corruption and war crimes in Ukraine since 2009.
I hear Trump might sign an executive order to keep Biden from running. That should simplify things a whole lot!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 23, 2020, 10:51:05 PM
I hear Trump might sign an executive order to keep Biden from running. That should simplify things a whole lot!
Dictatorship followed by culling is planned by both sides per directions from Tel Aviv. It literally is a life or death matter for the Elites. The trick is getting the peasants brainwashed so they can be used as cannon fodder like in WWI-II.
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Trump Refuses to Commit to Peaceful Transfer of Power
I suppose he could argue semantics here. Just him being in a snit over losing wouldn't really be peaceful by most people's standards. Every losing nominee that I can remember has gracefully called for unification of the country after the election. Although everyone knows there will be no unification, and the politicians actions will make sure that never happens. But Trump never does anything in a way that doesn't create chaos. He thrives on chaos, and if he loses, he is sure to leave in one last glorious moment of a chaotic scandal, much to the delight of everyone. But for some this is only proper. I recall a couple years ago when one preacher warned of rioting in the streets if Trump loses. Oh my! Rioting in the streets? Hey wait. That's what we have now when he's in office.
OK, OK. So it's mostly just protesting in the streets, but that's a semantic call too, I suppose.
Quote from: SGOS on September 24, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
I suppose he could argue semantics here. Just him being in a snit over losing wouldn't really be peaceful by most people's standards. Every losing nominee that I can remember has gracefully called for unification of the country after the election. Although everyone knows there will be no unification, and the politicians actions will make sure that never happens. But Trump never does anything in a way that doesn't create chaos. He thrives on chaos, and if he loses, he is sure to leave in one last glorious moment of a chaotic scandal, much to the delight of everyone. But for some this is only proper. I recall a couple years ago when one preacher warned of rioting in the streets if Trump loses. Oh my! Rioting in the streets? Hey wait. That's what we have now when he's in office.
OK, OK. So it's mostly just protesting in the streets, but that's a semantic call too, I suppose.
Hitlery? Comey? Yes, peaceful unification, like Lincoln after Appamattox.
Complete sheeple delusion ... Boomers were the master race, superior to their parents and all that came before, because smart phones.
Protesting not equal to Burn Loot Murder. MLK was a pistol toting Republican Christian. The grifters who followed were Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8Y0sEmhNg
Don't panic! Instead, die.
Yes, die by all means, but only in your video game were you can re-spawn ;-)
Remember, there actually are other people, who would enjoy killing you. But try not to lose sleep over it.
Biden team doesn't talk about it, probably because they're aware it doesn't matter what the trump morons are told, they will vote for trump. They're his voters, they do not care how many people have died because of what policy. Most of these people either think global outbreak is a lie or it is cooked up in a lab by chinese as a weapon or it is god's punishment. This people tink Biden is a socialist and he has a lot of satan in him. I don't know what can be said more, honestly.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 24, 2020, 05:50:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8Y0sEmhNg
Don't panic! Instead, die.
This particular issue would ordinarily be politically useful, but today? I'm not sure. The news is swamped with the egregious activities in the White House and the Senate. While I had never heard about this before, I felt no surprise at all. None. I'm desensitized to our political leadership, and to the large minority that actually sees nothing wrong with the incompetence combined with the disinterest in the lives of citizens from the administration.
The utube guy probably put a lot of work into finding this information, I suspect he may think it's the political crown jewel negative politics, but really there isn't much new about it. Biden and his staff are probably overwhelmed choosing which flaws of Trump's administration they should focus on. This one doesn't stand out that much. But I do wonder why the mainstream media missed this back when it happened. While it strikes me as nothing special today, it may have had a much larger impact at the beginning of the pandemic. It may have even affected White House policy, although I admit that would have been rather unlikely.
I think what surprised me most about the last 4 yrs. is the huge strength hatred has in politics. The orange monster apparently knew that--he uses hatred and it's brother, fear to stay in power. The more hatred he can muster, the stronger he becomes. Love, caring and compassion matters little these days. Hatred is carrying the day.
Hatred is a strong motivator in politics. When I was involved in an environmental cause 40 years ago, the professionals knew how to fan those flames. They brought in agitators, and used the standard hot button lies like "environmentalists are commies." It's powerful and considered fair game by strategists. A guy once told me during that period that we would win that battle because no one could maintain that level of hatred for long. I already knew he was wrong, because I saw what it does to a crowd.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 25, 2020, 02:26:46 AM
Biden team doesn't talk about it, probably because they're aware it doesn't matter what the trump morons are told, they will vote for trump. They're his voters, they do not care how many people have died because of what policy. Most of these people either think global outbreak is a lie or it is cooked up in a lab by chinese as a weapon or it is god's punishment. This people tink Biden is a socialist and he has a lot of satan in him. I don't know what can be said more, honestly.
How much is Erdogan in the Chinese Silk Road game? How good is the CCP to you and your family? Trump didn't release Covid, you did, damn foreigners ;-) Or at least the ones that insist on celebrating Chinese New Year during a pandemic. Being born is G-d's punishment. Death is being let out of purgatory. This is why every liberal wants to abort every baby, to free the prisoners early. Cuba Libre!
Biden is an politically abused senile corrupt old man (Trump being slightly less senile, probably just as corrupt). BLM etc who will puppet Biden, they are communists .. the kind of politics you like.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 25, 2020, 09:39:07 AM
I think what surprised me most about the last 4 yrs. is the huge strength hatred has in politics. The orange monster apparently knew that--he uses hatred and it's brother, fear to stay in power. The more hatred he can muster, the stronger he becomes. Love, caring and compassion matters little these days. Hatred is carrying the day.
Love is TMI ;-) You are a human incarnation of a Beatles song! Hatred is what motivates people (every war ever). If I were alive in the early 1940s, I would hate the Axis, not make love to them (unlike young JFK in England, bedding a German woman spy ... which is why his father put him in the Navy and exiled him to the South Pacific (but watch out, Japanese women spies)).
Quote from: SGOS on September 25, 2020, 10:49:14 AM
Hatred is a strong motivator in politics. When I was involved in an environmental cause 40 years ago, the professionals knew how to fan those flames. They brought in agitators, and used the standard hot button lies like "environmentalists are commies." It's powerful and considered fair game by strategists. A guy once told me during that period that we would win that battle because no one could maintain that level of hatred for long. I already knew he was wrong, because I saw what it does to a crowd.
So were you with the Earth First monkey wrenchers destroying new apartment buildings in Vail? Yes, but the Greening of America (free drugs) is back with the Green New Deal of a NYC barista. Free fentanyl for everyone, straight from the Chinese slave factory!
""Get Trump": FBI Agent From Mueller Team Says Flynn Case Was Politically Motivated "Dead End" - Others Bought Misconduct Insurance" ... FBI has been criminal since before the JFK assassination.
"Secret Report Exposes CIA's Brennan Overruled Dissenting Analysts Who Concluded Russia Favored Hillary" ... CIA politics by the masters of evil. Yes, Russia would favor Hillary, because "Uranium One".
Y'all are like Nixon supporters in 1972 ;-)) Tricky Dick did nothing wrong, just trying to keep the Commie Dems and the Commie demonstrators off the WH lawn. But it was the rioters, demonstrators, looters, arsonists and terrorists of the 60s, the IRA of the DNC ... who got Nixon elected and re-elected. Leftists (at least the wet Trots) are their own worst enemies.
"TARGET FLYNN. “GET TRUMP.†BOMBSHELL DOCS show Obama behind Russiagate COUP" ... judge Sullivan keeping up the dropped case against General Flynn, leading to open release of docs detailing how The Kenyan was running a treason conspiracy? Arrest all Dem leaders for Star Chamber treatment?
"a political party that collaborates with senior-level officials in the Intel agencies, the FBI, the DOJ, the media, and former members of the White House to spy on the new administration with the intention of gathering damaging information that can be used to overthrow the elected government?" ... smells like treason to me ;-)
"Will A Military Coup Undo The November Elections, Donald Trump, & The Republic Itself?" .. this year not 4 years ago, Progressives are nuts, they think every place is Petrograd and every year is 1917. Enlisted military is conservative, officers are liberal ... the officers will be at risk who support Biden, just like the ones in 1917 who supported the Czar.
So he says 'we'll see' for peaceful handover, eh? The worst thing would be those gun slinging trumpers seeing the extent of power of Federal US in full swing. Hopefully not. These people are really morons, if they think the domestic armed forces would allow something like that on US soil. How stupid do you get? Maybe it is time they learn they actually can't protect themselves from that with guns.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 28, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
So he says 'we'll see' for peaceful handover, eh? The worst thing would be those gun slinging trumpers seeing the extent of power of Federal US in full swing. Hopefully not. These people are really morons, if they think the domestic armed forces would allow something like that on US soil. How stupid do you get? Maybe it is time they learn they actually can't protect themselves from that with guns.
US military run by BLM and AntiFa? Fantasy. The enlisted and the Trumpers are on the same side. The civil war started in 2016. Kent State was a great Leftist victory, yes?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 28, 2020, 10:30:57 AM
So he says 'we'll see' for peaceful handover, eh?
They need to stop asking him this, even if the implication is that he's a childish sore loser. It gives him the false impression that he has options about whether or not to concede and step down. He doesn't. His only real option is to leave like a man or be thrown out like the human garbage he is.
Of course, he has to step down. I think my post was misunderstood. I mean in the worse case, if his supporters -civillian/military whoever the hell they are...- try to start something violent, esp. something organised which they have threatened before to do, the response from the domestic armed forces would be horrifiying.
Everything changes in that circumstance. That wouldn't be something like police cracking down a big protest where shootings break out hundreds die or even a drug war kind of big violence where thousands die. It would be an open massacre of those idiots and it would be 'legal'. Because in that case those people are not armed civillians, they're terrorists raging a war against the United States government.
There is something about the US government beyond politics, I don't get how these morons who were born there and lived all their lives can't figure out. You can be a drug lord, a mafia boss, homicidal maniac, a mass murderer, cult leader...all of them at the same time... blah blah whatever you do you'll do it within that system, recognising it first, under its roof. You get caught or not, that's another discussion.
However, if you attempt to try to change that system, pose a threat to its 'balance', ignore it or go out its way, you'll be annihilated. Individual or group. Doesn't matter what your side is. This has nothing to do with politics, religion or what people believe.
There is a reason why there is no sort of conflict that we have in the rest of the world on the US soil. The power zone has absolute control over its land. It doesn't care about the rest of the domestic conflicts, crime...etc. because it is never a threat.
I don't know if this makes any sense to you.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 28, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
They need to stop asking him this, even if the implication is that he's a childish sore loser. It gives him the false impression that he has options about whether or not to concede and step down. He doesn't. His only real option is to leave like a man or be thrown out like the human garbage he is.
Dems cheat in 1960 and every election before and since. Are any of them legitimate after 1860? Rather than call them on it, resume Reconstruction in N and S (Dems exist in the N even in 1860) ... better for both sides to cheat and turn a blind eye to what the other Mafia is doing, because of the bipartisan exploitation of the sheeple. There are many options, most of them ugly. One of them is the Dems steal yet another election, and continue civil war that began in 2016.
"Russia Was Trying To Hurt Trump? Impending Declassification To 'Flip Collusion Theory On Its Head': Solomon" .. it is quite clear now, that Russia, GB, Italy, Australia and Dems ... were working to help the Dems cheat the 2016 election. The idea that the Republicans cheated, and that the Russians were helping Trump is a complete fantasy.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/28/trump-2016-campaign-targeted-35m-black-americans-to-deter-them-from-voting
Hmmm...
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 28, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/28/trump-2016-campaign-targeted-35m-black-americans-to-deter-them-from-voting
Hmmm...
British Commie newspaper accused Trump of racism ... yawn. Better to accuse him of owning Comet Pizza, where all the cool Dems like to lunch.
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 28, 2020, 12:59:10 PM
They need to stop asking him this, even if the implication is that he's a childish sore loser. It gives him the false impression that he has options about whether or not to concede and step down. He doesn't. His only real option is to leave like a man or be thrown out like the human garbage he is.
It's comical but still chilling. It's chilling to think we have a child leading the country. It's chilling to think he has 40% of the country behind him, although it may be a lot less than 40% on this particular issue.
Quote from: SGOS on September 29, 2020, 11:46:13 AM
It's comical but still chilling. It's chilling to think we have a child leading the country. It's chilling to think he has 40% of the country behind him, although it may be a lot less than 40% on this particular issue.
Anyone less than 100 is a child, anyone over 60 is senile. Sucks to be us. Will Biden save you from your sins?
Part of the promised declassification ...
"BREAKING: According to handwritten notes, Brennan briefed Obama on Hillary's approval of a proposal to attack Trump in the 2016 election by tying him to Putin" ... 26 July 2016 ... treason by Obama and Clinton. When did Biden know? Hillary OKed it to distract the public from her private email server scandal .. with support of John Podesta and Robby Mook. Is this what Bill Clinton and the AG discussed on the tarmac earlier that month?
Comey testimony still dishonest ...
"Comey just claimed Trump is a Russian asset because Trump said he didn't trust the very same U.S. intelligence agencies that tried to frame him for treason, fueled by Russian disinformation and funded by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, in a coup that was led by Comey himself." ... we will need to conquer Cuba, to make all of it into Guantanamo, to house all the Dem traitors for in-terror-gation.
Santorum says asking Trump to denounce violent right-wing extremists is unfair because they're his base (https://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-trump-right-wing-extremists-voting-base-2020-9)
And why are they his base, exactly? Hmm...
Didn't someone pet him at the back and slightly yell: "Well, that's fucked up sweety!"
By the way, they gave the Trump-Biden debate live here with smiltenous translation. Don't know which channel(s) though, didn't watch.
Eeek! My like number is 2020. Quick, somebody like one of my posts, I'm scared.
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 01, 2020, 02:09:17 AM
Santorum says asking Trump to denounce violent right-wing extremists is unfair because they're his base (https://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-trump-right-wing-extremists-voting-base-2020-9)
And why are they his base, exactly? Hmm...
Because all NYC people play the banjo? (sarc) … Anyone not BLM is a Germanic-derived Jewish supporting Nazi? (sarc)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 01, 2020, 02:42:20 AM
Didn't someone pet him at the back and slightly yell: "Well, that's fucked up sweety!"
By the way, they gave the Trump-Biden debate live here with smiltenous translation. Don't know which channel(s) though, didn't watch.
Eeek! My like number is 2020. Quick, somebody like one of my posts, I'm scared.
How would natural translation of a verbal bar fight be rendered in Turkish? Complete with insults to one's parentage and threats of dis-emboweling? I like the videos of legislatures in other countries where they get into fist fights, I want that kind of action here!
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 01, 2020, 02:09:17 AM
Santorum says asking Trump to denounce violent right-wing extremists is unfair because they're his base (https://www.businessinsider.com/rick-santorum-trump-right-wing-extremists-voting-base-2020-9)
And why are they his base, exactly? Hmm...
That statement by good old Rick should be enough to get Rick invited into a mental ward and trump impeached for out Benedicting Arnold as the most traitorous person in our history.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 01, 2020, 09:40:07 AM
That statement by good old Rick should be enough to get Rick invited into a mental ward and trump impeached for out Benedicting Arnold as the most traitorous person in our history.
The only traitors I know are Democrats. And I support that, because I want the US destroyed. A nation of self medicating psychopaths should be put down? Dems were founded by a drunk slave owner, and still own that origin.
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 07:36:45 AM
How would natural translation of a verbal bar fight be rendered in Turkish? Complete with insults to one's parentage and threats of dis-emboweling? I like the videos of legislatures in other countries where they get into fist fights, I want that kind of action here!
It's universal. It starts with 'what are you looking at?' LOL Insult to mother could get you killed.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 01, 2020, 02:42:20 AM
Didn't someone pet him at the back and slightly yell: "Well, that's fucked up sweety!"
By the way, they gave the Trump-Biden debate live here with smiltenous translation. Don't know which channel(s) though, didn't watch.
Eeek! My like number is 2020. Quick, somebody like one of my posts, I'm scared.
I suspect we'll be looking back at 2020 with nostalgia.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 12:24:19 PM
I suspect we'll be looking back at 2020 with nostalgia.
Is that a new designer drug?
""Not A Big Deal"? State Dept Docs Show Amb. Yovanovitch Directly Aware Of Two Burisma Bribe Attempts" ... cost of doing business?
I just realized why the evangelical Christians like Trump so much: just like their God, when something good happens, Trump did it ("I brought back football!"), and when something bad happens, "it's the crazy Democrats' fault."
I was reading a book about Hiroshima, at a point in the book where a badly wounded lady asks a priest why his God would let such suffering occur, and he tells her that "man is not now in the condition God intended."
I don't know why those Trump fans - "sTRUMPets," as I call 'em - aren't falling by the droves, which seems to be what their dear leader wants.
Voter suppression doesn't just apply to the presidential part of the election, but the down-ballot, as well, like in South Carolina, where Graham is in some doubt.
I think the GOP has gotten tired of the two-party system, so they're trying to force a one-party system on us.
Is anyone making a T-shirt or hat that just says
TRiUMPh
?
I bet someone could sell millions of 'em!
One drop box for ballots in Texas for each county!? If Abbot gets away with this, how many other GOP governors will do the same thing?
I never thought I'd live to see the actual downfall of America's government, but a coup is coming, and I don't have faith that our institutions can withstand the coming onslaught of betrayal. I'll be interested to see how the rest of the world reacts to an America gone wild.
I know that some of our Founding Fathers wanted political parties and others did not want them. I guess having only one party would be much like having no parties. So should we root that the GOP will win it all?
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 11:32:46 PM
I know that some of our Founding Fathers wanted political parties and others did not want them. I guess having only one party would be much like having no parties. So should we root that the GOP will win it all?
I don't necessarily agree with the founding fathers. Many of them had less than altruistic motives that were put into the constitution, and things that were purposely left out. We live in a Republic, not a democracy. We can vote until the cows come home, but the decisions are made by a small elite group owned by the wealthy. Just be happy when they throw you a bone.
Quote from: SGOS on October 02, 2020, 05:17:59 AM
I don't necessarily agree with the founding fathers. Many of them had less than altruistic motives that were put into the constitution, and things that were purposely left out. We live in a Republic, not a democracy. We can vote until the cows come home, but the decisions are made by a small elite group owned by the wealthy. Just be happy when they throw you a bone.
And don't forget that that small elite group are all white males.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 02, 2020, 09:19:40 AM
And don't forget that that small elite group are all white males.
The logic for a republic being that urban concerns would overwhelm lightly populated rural areas. It many ways this has always been the backdrop fueling many of the nation's divisions.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
Voter suppression doesn't just apply to the presidential part of the election, but the down-ballot, as well, like in South Carolina, where Graham is in some doubt.
I think the GOP has gotten tired of the two-party system, so they're trying to force a one-party system on us.
I should hope so, better than the one-party Dem system backed by the one-party China system ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 11:12:46 PM
One drop box for ballots in Texas for each county!? If Abbot gets away with this, how many other GOP governors will do the same thing?
I never thought I'd live to see the actual downfall of America's government, but a coup is coming, and I don't have faith that our institutions can withstand the coming onslaught of betrayal. I'll be interested to see how the rest of the world reacts to an America gone wild.
Americans are the ORIGINAL traitors. We were birthed by Perfidious Albion.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 11:32:46 PM
I know that some of our Founding Fathers wanted political parties and others did not want them. I guess having only one party would be much like having no parties. So should we root that the GOP will win it all?
The system, deliberately or not, reinforces a two party system. But the R/D brand is 160 years old. Both parties need to be replaced. It is up to the X-Gen and Millennials to do this, us Boomers are done.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 09:44:21 PM
I just realized why the evangelical Christians like Trump so much: just like their God, when something good happens, Trump did it ("I brought back football!"), and when something bad happens, "it's the crazy Democrats' fault."
I was reading a book about Hiroshima, at a point in the book where a badly wounded lady asks a priest why his God would let such suffering occur, and he tells her that "man is not now in the condition God intended."
Evangelicals want Israel to win, so that G-d can destroy Israel. All the Jews have to get to Tel Aviv so we can all be murdered by G-d, or by his chosen Gentiles. Evangelicals, Nazis and Muslims all agree on this in general outline.
Hiroshima by John Hershey. As far as suffering goes. The people of Tokyo suffered as much from incendiary bombs as Hiroshima did from one blast ... just in a more special way. Why do people suffer? Don't make war on the US, even Yamamoto understood that. Hitler was an idiot, he could have ignored the Japanese and not declared war on the US, and not invaded the Soviet Union. Even at that point he would have won the war.
Originally Hitler was allied with the Republic of China, not the Empire of Japan. He was stupid to change sides, just because the Japanese were so good at murdering Chinese peasants. Hitler vs Stalin, two paranoids trying to out play each other. Let Stalin attack Germany first, play the defensive game. The Russians would have died even more that way, and Germany would have won (because Stalin would have been overthrown by Beria).
I studied nuclear blast effects via public documents when I was in HS. I had a bit of Trinitite, from the first nuclear blast. The correct answer with nukes is ... DON'T DO IT. Human beings are marginal as individuals, we are murderous in groups.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 11:03:55 PM
Is anyone making a T-shirt or hat that just says
TRiUMPh
?
I bet someone could sell millions of 'em!
Amazon has banned inflammatory t-shirts, because they are .. flammable ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on October 02, 2020, 05:17:59 AM
I don't necessarily agree with the founding fathers. Many of them had less than altruistic motives that were put into the constitution, and things that were purposely left out. We live in a Republic, not a democracy. We can vote until the cows come home, but the decisions are made by a small elite group owned by the wealthy. Just be happy when they throw you a bone.
This was revealed by the revivified Benjamin Franklin in a Dilbert TV cartoon episode ;-) But Dogbert knew all along.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 02, 2020, 09:19:40 AM
And don't forget that that small elite group are all white males.
Jewish males. You Gentiles are too stupid ;-) A minyan requires 10 orthodox Jewish men.
Quote from: Cassia on October 02, 2020, 10:39:15 AM
The logic for a republic being that urban concerns would overwhelm lightly populated rural areas. It many ways this has always been the backdrop fueling many of the nation's divisions.
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5354/
A greater speech by William Jennings Bryan .. less idealistic than that other greatest speech, the Gettysburg Address. You can listen to him recite his own speech in his own voice, 30 years after the original delivery. I only wish we had a recording of Lincoln!
Parties take opposite positions to their previous positions, as expedient. In 1965, the Democrats having assassinated JFK for his position on Silver, abolished the Constitutional money a second time, as FDR had done the first time in 1933. It took Nixon in 1971 to finish the job.
Dems trying to ride Trump's BS ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW77qgHUJwI
"Nunes: Shut Down Intel Agencies Until They Declassify "Smoking Gun" Evidence Against Hillary Clinton" ... Nunes not long for this world ;-(
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 01, 2020, 11:12:46 PM
One drop box for ballots in Texas for each county!? If Abbot gets away with this, how many other GOP governors will do the same thing?
I never thought I'd live to see the actual downfall of America's government, but a coup is coming, and I don't have faith that our institutions can withstand the coming onslaught of betrayal. I'll be interested to see how the rest of the world reacts to an America gone wild.
Ours is trying to, or at least his secretary of state is, the one box per county thing. Because Franklin County (pop. 1264518) and Vinton County (pop. 13435) have exactly the same number of voters, apparently. Fucking Ohio State has six times the population as all of Vinton County.
Anyway, a federal judge told him (loosely translated), knock it off, you know better than that, you know what you're trying to do and I know what you're trying to do.
So now he's going to allow multiple drop boxes. But they
all have to be stationed at the county board of elections office, they can't be placed conveniently around the county. :banghead:
This is why elections should never be the responsibility of an elected official.
Trump owes at least a billion dollars to...someone. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/16/donald-trump-has-at-least-1-billion-in-debt-more-than-twice-the-amount-he-suggested/#331f10c04330)
Quote from: Hydra009 on October 16, 2020, 09:18:06 PM
Trump owes at least a billion dollars to...someone. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/16/donald-trump-has-at-least-1-billion-in-debt-more-than-twice-the-amount-he-suggested/#331f10c04330)
US owes how much to China? You did that, American consumer.
Will Trump's latest executive order allow him to fire Dr. Fauci? I hope not, but I suspect it's his plan.
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 23, 2020, 09:47:28 PM
Will Trump's latest executive order allow him to fire Dr. Fauci? I hope not, but I suspect it's his plan.
It is all a show, and you invest too much of yourself into this malarky, if I may quote Mr Biden.
Of course I have been opposed to the public health Marxist cabal from the start.
Fauci has served under several Presidents, Republican and Democrat, and none of them have had a problem with him until now. But sure. I'm sure Fauci is the problem.
Quote from: Blackleaf on October 23, 2020, 10:50:13 PM
Fauci has served under several Presidents, Republican and Democrat, and none of them have had a problem with him until now. But sure. I'm sure Fauci is the problem.
Every one of those Presidents were Putin/Soros "butt buddies" ;-) The fact that they are Democrats or Republicans, completely discredits all of them.
Dr Fauci is one of the people in the cabal who have a patent on the coronavirus. That makes him Dr Death to me.