This is going to hurt really bad. Christian haters are going to raise hell. Expect whining about Text wall and shit . but hey to debunk claims requires detailed treatment . this is going to be serious trampling on false claims session. Brace yourself. Load up on ice cream.
I will begin with a very brief but accurate exposition of Buddhism , stripped down to the bones . shit is easily verifiable on the net . I will however provide sources and back up when I deem it is necessary .I don’t see anything wrong with that since there are people here making all kind of claims undermining Christianity without back up. I being better than them will provide back up that are essential or beyond your abilities to find or locate by yourself ..
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Scholarly take on Buddha today is that he was born in 4th century BC . so a person referred to as Buddha is said to have been born in the 4th century BC .
Buddha was born in north India , in Nepal . the actual name of the legend was Siddhartha Gautama . His dad name was suddhodana . he was king/ruler of some Indian tribe/clan, the shakya clan of Nepal. His mother Maya was princes .
Early childhood background. He lived a princely affluent life .
The Buddhacarita is the oldest manuscript/book that talks about Buddha and it goes back to the 2nd century AD. Note by that time the NT was well spread out and had actually reached India.
The story goes Siddhartha was on an outing with his dad , a god appeared to him , one time as someone who was ill , next as someone who was up in age and third time as someone dead. Each time sidd asks the driver of his chariot what’s up with that shit ayo trip , and the driver says shit to the effect …… illness ends life, life ends with old age , and people destined to die . Sidd concludes life is not worth living and he leaves the palace to seek the truth and he became a student of some bozo called alara Kalama who was like his spiritual guide and they did that sit on your ass all day do nothing meditation crap that’s supposed to change the inner self , but that in actuality is about cancelling the self shit and self existence . Then he went to another bozo and continued with the same crap until he reached such lofty heights that he ate only half roll of bread a day . then he went and sat under a tree determined not to leave and continue to sit under that tree until he finds the truth .he sat like that for 48 days and he acquired enlightenment and became Buddha and he became free from shit like emotions and material things and the jackpot was that he became free from cycle of reincarnations albeit by self annihilation and dissolving in the cosmos . .
They got four disastrous and dangerous principles. One is that life is suffering and not worth living . The second shit is that the reason for the suffering is possessiveness. That is attachment to things not only material mind you but significantly the whole gambit good or bad . The third you can fight suffering by fighting any kind of possessive tendencies . lastly you continue to fight that shit and desires and attachments and whatnot until you reach nirvana .
Conclusion, Siddhartha method is to cancel and obliterate the human personality . a failed philosophy from a failed civilization which it caused to fail.
Note by contrast Christianity teaches life in terms of hope and joy .Christianity is spiritual shit . On Easter his holiness Pope Francis enjoined the people to go out there and proclaim a message of hope and joy and mercy .Christ has risen . the man came back and when he did he didn’t come back as an iguana . he came back in his good ole bi pedal divine self.
Story continues … Siddhartha forms a small following. His dad sends him messengers to ask him to come back home but they convert to Buddhism and join the show . Then he goes home but instead of to see his dad he goes into town where he begs for living . so Buddha was a bum. Pan handler . lived free as a prince and continued to live free as beggar. Enlightenment for bummers .enrichment on public assistance.
Anyways the Buddha ends by dissolving into the cosmos . a way to escape the cycles of reincarnation, but with one major defect. Who do you talk to ? there is no Buddha no more to talk to. Buddha managed to cancel himself altogether . Just like Brahma was useless to Hinduism , Buddha was useless to the Buddhist. And just like Hinduism , Buddhism started to invent and construct gods that you can talk to . where they got them from ? from Christianity of course. The reformation and evolution took place in AD. Basically it was to fill the empty space left by nowhere man Buddha and they filled the space with Jesus .
And Buddhism just like Hinduism branched into a zillion directions. And the shit was chaotic . shit branched in all direction . its headache. You need to watch out for that . the confusion created by the wild process is employed to confuse so as to peddle shit.
But roughly here is how it went down. The Buddhist monks in the south constructed a loving god whom they called Maitreya with some earthly name I don’t recall what . but basically a present god they could communicate with and worship . in the north they constructed another god whom they called adi Buddha as an eternal god and they made Buddha his incarnation . In terms of this north god , good works and pilgrims and worship of bones gets the person into heaven . In china they constructed another shit , tabha or some shit and made him master of paradise .
So the copying from Christianity was in terms of inventing accessible gods flavored with Jesus and Christian concept of god who that took the place of vanished in the cosmos Buddha . I mean one aspect of the copying . of course they copied more than that .
Lets take a look at the spread of Buddhism which is favorite with some of the brainwashed by Higgins clowns , that Buddhism spread to middle east .
Buddhism spread in India under Asoka around between 230 to 300 BC and to areas adjacent to India like Sri lanka . but that as far as it spread ,and not even as far as next door China . Several centuries later , in 67 AD ,.emperor Ming-Ti invited the Buddhist and that’s when Buddhism entered china. In the 4th century AD Buddhism entered Korea and Japan in the 6th century AD and in Tibet it entered in the 7th century AD. The shit never reached Greece or middle east
the claim that Buddhism spread to the middle east is an unhistorical claim.
1-There are no Buddhist manuscript that claim Buddhism spread west towards Greece where Christianity flourished.
2- Unlike what Higgins (refer to my OP, defender of christainty) claimed Greece , Egypt and Palestine are devoid of any Buddhist ruins, or manuscripts or Buddhist temples or any mention of a Buddhist person or groups. None whatsoever .
The 1st mention of Buddhism was made by Clement of Alexandria , the traveler, who said among the Hindus in India there are philosophers who follow decrees of Buddha whom they honor as a god . (Clement of Alexandria , stromata ,miscellaneous , Book I , Chapter XV )
There are absolutely no mention of worship of Buddha in Egypt or Palestine as that wacko Higgins maintained (refer to my OP , defender of Christianity)
The early Christian fathers were obsessed and fanatical about debunking and countering heresies and all other religions and just about everything big and small but they never answered Buddhism which is sure sign the shit wasn’t there .they answered every shit that was not Christian but they never answered Buddhism . shit like life is suffering and not worth living would have been countered . Shit like dissolve in the cosmos would has raised many a brow . Reincarnation back as cockroach would have been noticed . Nothing, not one thing . not so much as excuse me , or what the fuck was that again,coming from the early Christian fathers . why ? because the shit wasn’t there . because Higgins was a clown , lunatic .not one damn rebuttal or retort . this by itself is damning evidence against Buddhism in the middle east .
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The spread of Christianity in 1st,2nd,3rd in north India suggest strongly that Christianity influenced Buddhism specially since Christian manuscripts /gospel books pre date Buddhist ones.
Now earlier scholars used to go along with the Buddhist manuscripts claims as to dates and geography ,etc. but today no scholar does that .they reject Buddhist claims . For back up on that , check as one of several sources …Donald Lopez, Buddhism in practice ,Princeton university , 1995 press . pp 16
All scholars today are agreed that the writing of Buddhist manuscripts began no earlier than four centuries after Buddha and that Buddhist monks changed shit and added to the shit specially in terms of Buddha life .check Michael Carrithers , the Buddha , pages 13-14, founders of faith, Oxford press. Guy got some great read on Buddha
Fact of the matter modern scholars reject Buddhists tradition that the first Buddhist texts writings ( the shit called pall canon )began in 50 BC, in the 4th Buddhist counsel in Sri Lanka . scholars no longer accept the Buddhist narrative . Again refer to Michael Carrithers
I got more , much more to say on that . but look here is the issue . Despite the existence of literacy and hundreds of thousands of temples and the hundred of thousand of monks through the centuries , and despite the spread of the shit in china , all Buddhist Manuscripts we have today go back only to between 11th century AD to 12th century AD. How come?
Thats why many scholars today are of the opinion that those manuscripts originate from ones that were concocted in the 8th century AD. And even if we accept that the oldest Buddhist manuscript is Buddhacarita and goes back to the 2nd century AD , we do not have that manuscript. What we have is a copy.
There no fucking manuscripts guys ! this is a fucking major religion with millions of followers and no fucking manuscripts except ones after 11th century AD . how come tens of millions haven’t jerked off manuscripts like in other religions ???
Let me give you a run down of their manuscripts
Buddhism , north India and Nepal. They worship Buddha as high god. They got shit in Sanskrit. Tri-pitaka and contains
1- Saddharma pundarika
2- Buddhacarita
3- lalita vistara
the oldest of these reportedly is the buddhacarita that is 2nd century AD . but that manuscript is not around . what we have is 11th century manuscript. the buddhacarita was written by an Indian poet and philosopher by the name asvaghosa and was written after the NT by at least a hundred years .
Buddhism in the south and cylan has the ti-pitaka , written in Pali and it means the three baskets which are
1- Vinaya pitaka
2- Sutta pitaka
3- Abhidhyamma
Again the Buddhist tradition is that the Buddhists started writing some fo these in 50 BC , which is something scholars now reject that claim and instead maintain those manuscripts go to 8th century AD .
In the south they also have the Mahavansa and dipavansa narrating the history of Buddhism. They go to the 5th century AD.
All the fucking manuscripts available go back only to the 11th century AD . contrast that with Christianity and you got numerous manuscripts by the end of 1st century AD and beginning of 2nd century AD.
Zillions of temples, zillions of monks and despite the ability to write and read and we only got shit that goes back to only 11th century AD
That’s why scholars to day say that those Buddhist could not possibly go earlier than the 8Th century
just imagine what those bozos would say if the oldest NT we have went back to only the 11th century AD.? Just imagine the shit they kick up the.
I should end this shit now . I am so disgusted . I am not finished trampling on you . I want to take that shit that buddhacarita and tear that shit up. There are also the lies that Buddha resembles Jesus to tear apart. But that will take as long as the shit I wrote so far . I like tearing shit apart. I always have .
Hey you may go ahead and derail and talk shit . this OP is a TKO
Still not reading anything that long. Learn to be more concise in your writing or stop wasting our time.
stop clogging the post with nonsense remarks hapless humar . The subject matter is immense . it can’t be condensed more than that
why don't you go write one ? put your money where your mouth is
okay first whinner . next case .
Kneel before our Lord and Lizard.
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Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 11:44:16 AM
stop clogging the post with nonsense remarks hapless humar . The subject matter is immense . it can’t be condensed more than that
why don't you go write one ? put your money where your mouth is
okay first whinner . next case .
Yes. Exactly like that. Now if you can keep your verbal diarrhea condensed, maybe we can work on your arguments being a little less brainless.
hey blackleaf why don't you play with hijiir . I'm busy now
The interaction between S Asia, Persia, Iraq, Syria and Israel (to give their modern names) is long and complex. Historiographers are propagandists ... their first propaganda is what they choose to not mention. Then they twist that which they choose to mention, to match their conclusion that they know ahead of time.
Plain observation of the mix of cultures from what is now Egypt/Turkey all the way over to Pakistan/India would tell you that Judaism 2000 years ago, was influenced by the the pagan cultures all around, it was impure relative to the false origin told by the rabbis. Also the Hellenistic Jews were even more impure, being more open to foreign influence. And as noted in another string ... the results of religious speculation are usually gnostic ... and might be arrived at by trance, group discussion, drug abuse, magical practices like scrying etc. That is how they originate today ... and out of their surrounding matrix. Judaism in its various forms of 2000 years ago, arose in the context of multiple pagan cultures. And with both Hindus and Buddhists in the area, for 300 years before the so called apostles, one can see how that got there, that an the easy access to Babylon and sister cities in Iraq. Compare to the many mahdis that have occurred in N Africa over the last 1400 years ... and one can see a common pattern.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
This is going to hurt really bad.
Only you. Nobody else reads your crap.
Apparently he is not fond of Buddhism, from what I could gather amongst that smattering of schmeg.
Quote from: aitm on September 29, 2017, 02:10:05 PM
Apparently he is not fond of Buddhism, from what I could gather amongst that smattering of schmeg.
Of course if he were Catholic, he wouldn't acknowledge that Jesus was Isa ... and was trained in, left, and returned to Srinagar in Kashmir, where he is presently buried ... in a Buddhist tomb.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
This is going to hurt really bad. Christian haters are going to raise hell. Expect whining about Text wall and shit . but hey to debunk claims requires detailed treatment . this is going to be serious trampling on false claims session. Brace yourself. Load up on ice cream.
I should end this shit now . I am so disgusted . I am not finished trampling on you .
Hey you may go ahead and derail and talk shit . this OP is a TKO
No ice cream needed, I live healthier than that just because I like healthier foods.
You should have ended "this shit" before you posted. Your posts are going almost completely unread.
What little I read of your posts is mostly rambling nonsense and bad grammar. I don't read them; most other members don't seem to, either.
Do us a favor and stop posting chapters on some imaginary book you are writing. Trust me, no one is reading the chapters or will buy the book.
Its not complex barouch. You ’re old. I can wade around the confusion
Hey Jesus looks so good everyone wants a piece of him. Of course they’re going to say he is buried with them. Once we colonize Mars don’t be surprised if they say he is buried in Mars too.
What mahdi ? old man you’re so behind the times. it’s the Mohammedian messianic Christian message these days or haven’t you heard of the republican brothers? .
Thank you barouch for your great wonderful dazzling take. . as always you never fail to disappoint .
hi there munch . so witty . so what . so pop corn. so soda. so in the jungle the lion with nibbles . hey munch you saw that cartoon movie? did the lion have nipple munch ? don't lie to me . papa is no fool he knows what have been up to.
My OP stands. Strong . I’m strong.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 05:59:54 AM
Its not complex barouch. You ’re old. I can wade around the confusion
Hey Jesus looks so good everyone wants a piece of him. Of course they’re going to say he is buried with them. Once we colonize Mars don’t be surprised if they say he is buried in Mars too.
What mahdi ? old man you’re so behind the times. it’s the Mohammedian messianic Christian message these days or haven’t you heard of the republican brothers? .
Thank you barouch for your great wonderful dazzling take. . as always you never fail to disappoint .
My OP stands. Strong . I’m strong.
In my personal opinion, you are not "strong"; you are an idiot.
BTW, Baruch isn't my favorite person in the world (but compared to you he is the religious soul of sanity), but could you at least spell his name right?
cavebear stop rambling yourself and put a lid on it. what you need to do first is fix that falsification about surat al fatiha .two, there are such things as private messages and e mails . three, I posted that shit in 12 sites , all positive reviews except here which means it hit a sensitive nerve. Fourth I collected so far 831 pronouncement /statements made here on this site related to efficacy in terms of indoctrination into Buddhism.
Barouch is clueless . its starts at public school , in early grades in art classes . Usually shit coupled with pets like Chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit . they get their foot in the door very early on.
Sorry rest you just gonna have to wait for it to be published .
why don't you go write something. lets see what you can do .
what book ? i churn out that shit in minutes .
say what I've read not what I read. .
cavebear, can't you say one thing without shooting yourself in the foot .
beat it , shoo. I refuse to talk to you . we are not equal. I'm strong . you are a joke.
cavebear, come back. I'm sorry . come cavebear don't be like that . I want to be your friend. really
what do you eat fatees ? you like fatees. in the morning ? phew
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so what happened? your momma dropped you accidently ? train ran over your head ?
oh you don't wanna talk ? the hell with you then . biti al kaleb
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 06:13:00 AM
cavebear stop rambling yourself and put a lid on it. what you need to do first is fix that falsification about surat al fatiha .two, there are such things as private messages and e mails . three, I posted that shit in 12 sites , all positive reviews except here which means it hit a sensitive nerve. Fourth I collected so far 831 pronouncement /statements made here on this site related to efficacy in terms of indoctrination into Buddhism.
Barouch is clueless . its starts at public school , in early grades in art classes . Usually shit coupled with pets like Chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit . they get their foot in the door very early on.
Sorry rest you just gonna have to wait for it to be published .
why don't you go write something. lets see what you can do .
what book ? i churn out that shit in minutes .
Your shit does appear to have been churned out in minutes. I never said you weren't a fast producer of real garbage.
Did you send me some private messages and e mails? I did not receive them.
I doubt I ramble much. If anything, I am told I am too brief about good points.
I probably don't falsify "surat al fatiha". I have to look it up each time I see the phrase, so I'm using expert text in replying when I do.
"three, I posted that shit in 12 sites". Posts of the same message in multiple sites is usually against most forum rules. I'll leave that the the admins, though I may advise them of your self-admission if you continues this nonsense.
You didn't hit a "sensitive nerve" here. We just think you are a nut.
"Fourth I collected so far 831 pronouncement /statements made here on this site related to efficacy in terms of indoctrination into Buddhism. " LOLOLOL! You are one crazy one. You couldn't get that many here if you claimed to end cancer. There aren't that many of us here.
"Usually shit coupled with pets like Chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit . they get their foot in the door very early on. " Does that even MEAN anything?
Man, this guy is a weird one.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 06:13:00 AM
cavebear stop rambling yourself and put a lid on it. what you need to do first is fix that falsification about surat al fatiha .two, there are such things as private messages and e mails . three, I posted that shit in 12 sites , all positive reviews except here which means it hit a sensitive nerve. Fourth I collected so far 831 pronouncement /statements made here on this site related to efficacy in terms of indoctrination into Buddhism.
Barouch is clueless . its starts at public school , in early grades in art classes . Usually shit coupled with pets like Chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit . they get their foot in the door very early on.
Sorry rest you just gonna have to wait for it to be published .
why don't you go write something. lets see what you can do .
what book ? i churn out that shit in minutes .
Yep--shit it is and shit it shall remain.
Ibn - "chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit" .. you could do worse than spend some time studying traditional Chinese culture. They are a whole civilization to themselves, not just a country. And are our new overlords.
All the mahdis are fake, going back to Abraham. You know the Arabian legend, about Abraham breaking the idols? Same as young St Truth who recently arrived. Smart ass kid ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 10:36:56 AM
And are our new overlords.
You just HAD to throw that into an otherwise lucid argument. They will fail at dominating the global economy, and indeed are starting to fail, as they come more into contact with the trade rules of the rest of the world. As their pirating, lax production standards, and tech theft will gradually show in true global trade and product comparisons.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
You just HAD to throw that into an otherwise lucid argument. They will fail at dominating the global economy, and indeed are starting to fail, as they come more into contact with the trade rules of the rest of the world. As their pirating, lax production standards, and tech theft will gradually show in true global trade and product comparisons.
We shall see. So the British Empire still rules the world, like over 100 years ago, and are just using China as a sock puppet? I have noticed the British Empire's hand up America's ass for over 100 years now. Long live Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholars Fifth Column (aka Clinton). The Rothschilds are deeply into modern China, just as they were from the beginning in Hong Kong.
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 01:44:43 PM
We shall see. So the British Empire still rules the world, like over 100 years ago, and are just using China as a sock puppet? I have noticed the British Empire's hand up America's ass for over 100 years now. Long live Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholars Fifth Column (aka Clinton). The Rothschilds are deeply into modern China, just as they were from the beginning in Hong Kong.
You are too conspiracy-minded for me. And I need a meal. I've been on almost 30 hours. Go kill each other.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 01:49:55 PM
You are too conspiracy-minded for me. And I need a meal. I've been on almost 30 hours. Go kill each other.
You have been awake for 30 hours? You are on the Internet for 30 hours? You haven't eaten in 30 hours? My god man! Get a fuller life. Sorry, that Hong Kong and the Opium Wars are just fake news. Also all the gold that has flown into Switzerland, been remelted and refined, put into bars that are appreciated by the Chinese, shipped into China from Hong Kong. You think the London and Ft Knox gold still are there? Did you vote in the last election?
@Barouch. yep, the story does not add up. For one thing the minimum age is 13 if USA .he/she said 16 . otherwise no minimum age .check COPPA.
I calculate the age anywhere between middle 50s to 60s.
it’s a play on age to get away with shit adults can’t .
Its one thing talking shit and another talking shit about a current site with clout .
no time .
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
@Barouch. yep, the story does not add up. For one thing the minimum age is 13 if USA .he/she said 16 . otherwise no minimum age .check COPPA.
I calculate the age anywhere between middle 50s to 60s.
it’s a play on age to get away with shit adults can’t .
Its one thing talking shit and another talking shit about a current site with clout .
no time .
If you quote Arabic ... please use MSA ... so we have a chance to translate it. Otherwise it will come across as "do it with a camel" ... which may be what you are saying ;-)) I apologize, inshallah ... that I may come to better Arabic in the future. I hope to study with Al-Ghazali some day ... he was pretty smart, as was Ibn Arabi. Have you simply rejected all ME culture, like some here reject all W culture? I also hope to study with Ibn Pakuda (Jewish 11th century CE) and Nachman of Bratislava (19th century). See ... I don't consider this world to be all that there is. For some, they are hoping this is all that there is .. but I insist on being an optimist, in spite of the evidence so far ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 03:18:36 PM
If you quote Arabic ... please use MSA ...
Yes, MSA would certainly be helpful. Google translates it better.
@barouch. I’m trying to figure out the relationship between me “rejecting†shit from the east as you seem to think and someone from the west “rejecting†shit from the west . I asked myself , do you reject the middle east ? Myself gave me all kind of devious responses ,going on and on and won’t shut up . very unsatisfactory responses. You are the reason. guilty.
I expect you do know shit is computational device made up of few billions cells and trillions of connections and input devices. Call it conscious call it whatever you like but that’s what it is and I have to be out of my mind to try to reason with myself. Why don’t you go talk to me someplace else and when you finish talking come let me know what you found out . don’t drive me nuts , okay old man ? on second thought keep it up.
don’t let that shit take you over . stop talking like an old man. Its supposed to be about Buddhism . I said what I have to say and I moved on. Maybe some more have to be said . shit that shit . Why don’t you take the first plane to India and get one young Indian she goat around 20 years old and have her drive you nuts .get some of that youth into your life . they don’t mind that shit there . I mean old man /young girl .its normal there . in some parts of the world you’re not old man . in the middle east too. normal to have that Trump/melania shit . stop wasting your time on foul tasting wine when you could be drinking from the fountain of life. My grandfather got married again when he was in his 70s to 19 year old wild thing . he had two kids by her . and she DID like him. She used to yell at him crazy old fool when he teased her . but she loved him . And my grandfather was wise choice. Old man with money and wealth and who withered many years who never got sick who never was inoculated for any diseases . Superior genes . just make sure when you do die you die on top of beautiful sexy woman so when you meet god you meet him with a big smile and give him an approving pat on his head and say good job mister god . proud of you and more please. Create some more fun shit . use your divine imagination.
You say you are an optimist right? Well act like it then old man . you say you’re . okay then . .
stop whining . A hundred or so years ago your likes , Americans, with TB coughed blood putting in a hards day work for meager bite to eat and as result built some of the civilization that you now enjoy . we get shit from those before us and we try to hand over better shit to those who come after us . ideally I mean . And you get to enjoy someone like Edgar Allen Poe . what you have for dinner is probably more than he ate for a whole week . maybe someone like him deserve eternity , but for most of the rest of us oblivion is the deserved fate . justice says so.
The word is not rejection . you’re actually asking me if I have any plans of wiping out the middle east when you put it that way . rejection where I come from is not rejection where you come from. . Rejection where you come from translates into acceptance where I come from. . Tolerance where you come translates into acquiescence where I come from. where I come its different. it’s a loaded term.
You woke me up. Thank you. I have a goat for bed room activities and two goats for house duties and I do not see my coffee .thats the fucking draw back. I’m not complaining . I’m just furious at the notion of those jackasses in the distant future having artificial intelligence female robots standing next to the bed and producing cup of coffee reinforced with cognac the moment they open their eyes . the shit heads enjoy the hard work and sweat of those who came before them and not satisfied whine and complain and diss those who came before them . Jonathan Swift had a great idea, grab the yahoos and shove cow dung down their throat .
Its not Abu Hamid al Ghazzalee and even if it was its not just him. Its him and Ibn Taymiah with Averroes boxed in between the two. All three are no good . they are hard at work trying to peddle Averroes in the west as bridge between west and east . it’s a play on western ignorance about Averroes. They hide his shit. Averroes views on sharia law and in particular jihad matches up with ISIS terrorism to the letter . I’ve reasons he plagiarized his philosophy from syriac Christian manuscripts. He didn’t know Greek. He got the shit from syriac manuscripts .
the word is not rejection . current affairs says its “renewal of religious speech “ . so two things , renewal plus speech . I’ll give it a go . but not now . the conference. Al Sisi of egypt says renewal . he didn't get to where he is at by accident. you should learn from him.
And no , I do not have any plans to destroy the ME. Al Ghazzalee and taymiah have been doing a great job of that .
Al Ghazali was a reformer.
He reformed 11th century Islam back to the 7th century.
The gates of ijtihad (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3114/muslims-ijtihad) (critical thinking) were closed ever since.
(The Incoherence of the Philosophers.)
Al Wahhab (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab) later did the same once more.
Islamic reformation means getting back to the original Islam, in the time of Mohammad.
Islam is now reforming once again in our time.
Because the west has become weak and ineffective. (Islam is opportunistic.)
Fighting among each other, just like the Byzantines did before the Muslim invasion.
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Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 05, 2017, 03:19:05 AM
@barouch. I’m trying to figure out the relationship between me “rejecting†shit from the east as you seem to think and someone from the west “rejecting†shit from the west . I asked myself , do you reject the middle east ? Myself gave me all kind of devious responses ,going on and on and won’t shut up . very unsatisfactory responses. You are the reason. guilty.
I expect you do know shit is computational device made up of few billions cells and trillions of connections and input devices. Call it conscious call it whatever you like but that’s what it is and I have to be out of my mind to try to reason with myself. Why don’t you go talk to me someplace else and when you finish talking come let me know what you found out . don’t drive me nuts , okay old man ? on second thought keep it up.
don’t let that shit take you over . stop talking like an old man. Its supposed to be about Buddhism . I said what I have to say and I moved on. Maybe some more have to be said . shit that shit . Why don’t you take the first plane to India and get one young Indian she goat around 20 years old and have her drive you nuts .get some of that youth into your life . they don’t mind that shit there . I mean old man /young girl .its normal there . in some parts of the world you’re not old man . in the middle east too. normal to have that Trump/melania shit . stop wasting your time on foul tasting wine when you could be drinking from the fountain of life. My grandfather got married again when he was in his 70s to 19 year old wild thing . he had two kids by her . and she DID like him. She used to yell at him crazy old fool when he teased her . but she loved him . And my grandfather was wise choice. Old man with money and wealth and who withered many years who never got sick who never was inoculated for any diseases . Superior genes . just make sure when you do die you die on top of beautiful sexy woman so when you meet god you meet him with a big smile and give him an approving pat on his head and say good job mister god . proud of you and more please. Create some more fun shit . use your divine imagination.
You say you are an optimist right? Well act like it then old man . you say you’re . okay then . .
stop whining . A hundred or so years ago your likes , Americans, with TB coughed blood putting in a hards day work for meager bite to eat and as result built some of the civilization that you now enjoy . we get shit from those before us and we try to hand over better shit to those who come after us . ideally I mean . And you get to enjoy someone like Edgar Allen Poe . what you have for dinner is probably more than he ate for a whole week . maybe someone like him deserve eternity , but for most of the rest of us oblivion is the deserved fate . justice says so.
The word is not rejection . you’re actually asking me if I have any plans of wiping out the middle east when you put it that way . rejection where I come from is not rejection where you come from. . Rejection where you come from translates into acceptance where I come from. . Tolerance where you come translates into acquiescence where I come from. where I come its different. it’s a loaded term.
You woke me up. Thank you. I have a goat for bed room activities and two goats for house duties and I do not see my coffee .thats the fucking draw back. I’m not complaining . I’m just furious at the notion of those jackasses in the distant future having artificial intelligence female robots standing next to the bed and producing cup of coffee reinforced with cognac the moment they open their eyes . the shit heads enjoy the hard work and sweat of those who came before them and not satisfied whine and complain and diss those who came before them . Jonathan Swift had a great idea, grab the yahoos and shove cow dung down their throat .
Its not Abu Hamid al Ghazzalee and even if it was its not just him. Its him and Ibn Taymiah with Averroes boxed in between the two. All three are no good . they are hard at work trying to peddle Averroes in the west as bridge between west and east . it’s a play on western ignorance about Averroes. They hide his shit. Averroes views on sharia law and in particular jihad matches up with ISIS terrorism to the letter . I’ve reasons he plagiarized his philosophy from syriac Christian manuscripts. He didn’t know Greek. He got the shit from syriac manuscripts .
the word is not rejection . current affairs says its “renewal of religious speech “ . so two things , renewal plus speech . I’ll give it a go . but not now . the conference. Al Sisi of egypt says renewal . he didn't get to where he is at by accident. you should learn from him.
And no , I do not have any plans to destroy the ME. Al Ghazzalee and taymiah have been doing a great job of that .
Ibn, a conversation only happens, when both people listen. You are deaf. No, I don't reject the Middle East, you do. Quit projecting.
@ Baruch
Is it really necessary to quote the whole megillah from this meshugeneh?
@pr126. Islam never went through any reformation back or forward. The shit was always the same . what happened there was the usual minor struggles. For some reason they focus on 11th to 13th centuries . Struggle not reform. there were other struggles too. There were numerous ones . Islam simply can not be reformed because you can’t change shit .reform is the wrong world . the correct word is toss. Toss Islam into the sea.
Learn to use the correct words. Toss not reform . rejectionists means rawafid .
Al Ghazzalee and ibn taymiah and Averroes are faces of the same coin. They’re all no good . why don’t you two try someone like Zakariya al-Razi. Now that is one guy who said to toss Islamic inspiration out the window . or how about Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri. Those two preceded those three Islamic fanatics . but they do not talk to you about them .google them and learn . and do yourself a favor don’t rely on wikipedia . don’t end up as wikirabbi
Atheists will like Abul ʿAla Al-Maʿarri. He was also a vegan.
I trashed trampled on stomped on ghazzalee and ibn taymiah and Averroes in the conference. Destroyed them .
Wait don’t go anywhere . I will tell you what happened . pr126 steady old chap.
What did you call me ? Oh I see. How about I call you potato head ? Mr beans ? hmm hard to say. conundrum
Okay okay I’m sorry for jacking up the IQ . I’ll speak plainly . but c’mon guys shit is technical.
To toss islam into the sea Christians are needed and ex Muslims .
Barouch talks about the world out there !! big place world out there barouch .
my apologies . fat free ice cream. okay ? no sugar either .
Appropriate current affairs term is “renewal “ .AL Sisi of Egypt issued a directive calling for “renewal “ of religious speech. Like I said , Sisi didn’t get to where he is at by accident .Man can bullshit par excellence.
I missed the 1st day of the conference. I was busy at another conference at the belly dancers joint till the wee hours discussing the latest in Arabian Nights with Safeeya shake the booty and Bahya belly button.
Next day I went . I had on English style shit , extra padded on the shoulder and narrower than the American shit on the waist. Right tie. This is to scramble the heads of the security detail at the front gate . they teach them about that shit . Mind that shit they tell them. .
the overwhelming majority of the illustrious were juggernauts of the religious sort and surprisingly couple of rawafid(rejectionists) . few westerners were from the appropriate field .Vatican was represented by two ready to lend a helping hand. Yankees as observers and some other westerners .
The religious irrelevant matter , the majority, was by long shot in the camp of Abu Hamid al Gazelle and Ibn Taymiah and a minority in Averroes camp. Add few secularists and closet atheists . and the other shit credited to Ilsam
Shit was supposed to be about speech and the crowd was the wrong crowd shit was set up and rigged for hermeneutics , literal shit versus mental gymnastics to excuse quran .
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That’s why the selected crowd . to avoid tackling shit in terms of speech and that’s because for one thing 20 % of the quran is unintelligible nonesense, in incomprehensible and I’m talking about native Arabic speakers with blemish less command of the language . the bulk of arabic speakers are not . Then you have greater mass of none Arabic speakers blabbing that shit not knowing what the hell they’re saying. the rest of quran is riddled with errors . so do what you may shit can’t be turned into renewed speech because shit can’t be interpreted and can’t be translated .
Then it was my time and I let them have it good. briefly …. Citizenship and not a sectarian nor a religious Egyptian constitution I yelled . Force al Azhar to retract all fatwas to do with apostasy and specially those fataws against , secularists and Muslims who left Islam and atheist and all fatwas that discriminate between man and woman and non Muslims specially in terms of family and inheritance and worship and to retract all shit that violates human rights .AL Azhar is State institution , the government funds it . therefore I demand of the Egyptian government to fix that shit . ( I repeated that while looking straight at the Yankee observer) .close down all Azhar learning institutes and streamline all learning education institutes curriculum so as to agree with humans rights . no discrimination on basis of religion, gender and not even sexual orientation and and and . I call for an egypt of citizenship of equal justice before the law . if AL Sisi has balls then he should act on his promises and enough of this charade .He wants to prove he is man of his word then enough talking and lets see him act.
Now to sock it to the Averroes crowd I hit them with St Aquinas shit left and right. See Averroes is play on western ignorance of him.This guy plagiarized his shit from syriac manuscripts and tried but failed to reconcile classical Hellenism with sharia law . His shit that is hidden from western scrutiny like as in jihad matches ISIS terrorism . there is strong current in the West to peddle his shit as part of the enlightenment . That’s a trick . watch out for it . this guy is anything but enlightenment . .
So I yelled …The state has no business regulating vice except in so far as promoting the common good . religion is a personal matter . .dress code on basis of modesty not religious attire. Marriage consent on the basis of voluntary tied to self determination and realization and actualization. you know shit like that . I went catholic on them full throttle . I trampled on them real good , so that by the time I was done they were going eek eak eeek ho ho ho . that’s right ..
Then I talked to the westerner guys and some of my acquaintances and they all agreed we leave and discuss the matter at the belly dancers joint .situation was critical and we needed inspiration and safeeya shake the booty had tons of sisters and of course since I brought all those guys I get everything , the best, compliment of the house. The security detail tried to interfere with the flow of dollars from the west to the joint but were quickly grabbed and taken to the back where they were given one hell of beating for disrespecting a joint owned by high ranking military business mind.
One other thing in the conference there were your usual handful of guys with backbone-ice with backing. One was an imam .Later on I learned he ended up in Germany and talked to foremost expert and translated one of the books of that German expert and had numerous copies printed out in Germany. None of the books made it to the vendors . the books simply vanished . not one is around . its all bullshit . political posturing by al sisi
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2017, 08:20:02 AM
@ Baruch
Is it really necessary to quote the whole megillah from this meshugeneh?
No, just lazy ;-)
Ibn - when you talk about contemporary things (even if they relate to things of old), you speak with greater authority. Also if you speak less sexy talk, you can be taken seriously. Still not a conversation, but much better. Thus a "like".
Quote from: pr126 on October 05, 2017, 03:52:35 AM
Al Ghazali was a reformer.
He reformed 11th century Islam back to the 7th century.
The gates of ijtihad (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3114/muslims-ijtihad) (critical thinking) were closed ever since.
(The Incoherence of the Philosophers.)
Al Wahhab (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Muhammad_ibn_Abd_al-Wahhab) later did the same once more.
Islamic reformation means getting back to the original Islam, in the time of Mohammad.
Islam is now reforming once again in our time.
Because the west has become weak and ineffective. (Islam is opportunistic.)
Fighting among each other, just like the Byzantines did before the Muslim invasion.
How can you reform a religion back in time? Is there a Wayback Machine I missed reading about?
Re form to its original state.
Quite different from the Christian reformation.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/re-form
QuoteWord forms: 3rd person singular present tense re-forms , present participle re-forming , past tense , past participle re-formed
verb
When an organization, group, or shape re-forms, or when someone re-forms it, it is created again after a period during which it did not exist or existed in a different form.
The official trades union council voted to disband itself and re-form as a confederation. [VERB]
The 40-year-old singer reformed his band. [VERB noun]
Cavebear, if I tell you , do you promise to take a trip back in time? If so meet me at the top of the Empire State building. You gonna be reunited with Lucie in Somalia . you are for family reunionfication. right? Eek eak eek.
@barouch. I shudder at the prospect of conversing with you. You know too much . too much of a deep thinker for me .
You’re hasty .Safeeya is retired and is with one of the western guys happily married and has kid by him. Bahya left us. Tigress did not leave empty handed though. She took down four . My condolences to you. I visit her grave when I happen to be in the area and place flowers. You see she was an orphan.
On the negotiation table , the Yankee observers ( Obama guys) cited attempts at suppression of religious freedom and choose to sit with the Ghazelle and Ibn Taymiah camp . calling for retraction of some one hundred thousand fatwa per year translated to violation of freedom of religion to them .
they follow policy . Obama career diplomat were robots with no say . you say anything they turn their shoulder and walk away .Obama ruled with an iron fist. . By contrast Trump guys are evangelists . they are twitters ,which is good because it opens other channels as opposed to Obama’s special envoy deal. Obama does not fire people being an employee all his life. Trump being a boss lets his people talk , take the initiative he likes . but he fires you if he doesn’t like what you said . but then Trump guys don’t give too fuck about being fired because they are evangelist type. So things are much better with Trump.
Chinese and Putin based scholars , secularists, atheists , sat with the rejectionists .those are deal oriented and can and will compromise. Also very rapid . Mafiosi style . they try to get you committed . don’t talk too much with them. Better still use sign language only. Very scary lot.
So anyways , we’re done with Egypt citizenship since you say you liked my shit . lets do your country citizenship shit . here is briefly the demands .
The US revises its citizenship rules…. expanding and including provisions to revoke citizenship and residency .political asylum changes. Extradition changes . refugee Status determination in terms of sidelining the UN and leftist human rights orgs .passports issued by certain countries to unsavory characters from other countries . I mean those 7 countries on Trump ban. They issue passports to terrorists world wide. The ones with those passports that countries such as Egypt are interested in acquiring are to be intercepted and handed over . you know who and we know you know who. Australian Island approach to be adopted and expanded as solution. `. The rest not public.
Europe in terms of Germany, France , UK , etc… future civil strife and civil war is a foregone conclusion. Work with maps . this is where the Islamic State goes and there is where the non Islamic goes. Secure the areas with access to sea.
In the end I foresee a situation like Israel with Europe. Small countries but Christian instead of Jewish surrounded by Islamic masses. High probability. Some sooner than others. Some will drag but in the end that’s what it is going to be .
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 08, 2017, 04:44:24 AM
Cavebear, if I tell you , do you promise to take a trip back in time? If so meet me at the top of the Empire State building. You gonna be reunited with Lucie in Somalia . you are for family reunionfication. right? Eek eak eek.
This seems to be a satisfactory place of discussion. The Empire State Building is a couple 100 miles away from me and a bit inconvenient.
Ibn - Going to a 6 week intro to Egyptian Arabic starting this week. Not the first time I have studied it. Know your friends. Know your enemies even better. Of course, I have no enemies ;-)
President Obama was a disciple of Kissinger. Hence completely untrustworthy ... and the use of private envoys. Too bad the Iran deal will be discarded, but there is a bit of sanity now in Syria. Lots of instability in Saudi Arabia now.
With Russia taking over the ME, and China taking over Africa ... you will see a new tough style of neocolonialism of the East to replace the post WW II neocolonialism of the West. The Anglo-American neo-colonialism is bankrupt, so it is done.
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Ibn - Going to a 6 week intro to Egyptian Arabic starting this week. Not the first time I have studied it. Know your friends. Know your enemies even better. Of course, I have no enemies ;-)
President Obama was a disciple of Kissinger. Hence completely untrustworthy ... and the use of private envoys. Too bad the Iran deal will be discarded, but there is a bit of sanity now in Syria. Lots of instability in Saudi Arabia now.
With Russia taking over the ME, and China taking over Africa ... you will see a new tough style of neocolonialism of the East to replace the post WW II neocolonialism of the West. The Anglo-American neo-colonialism is bankrupt, so it is done.
I can't find a reference to Obama meeting with or following Kissinger. And Kissinger never refers to one either. Please provide evidence for your claim.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
I can't find a reference to Obama meeting with or following Kissinger. And Kissinger never refers to one either. Please provide evidence for your claim.
http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85442/
Kissinger's own words. Ignore that this isn't reported in the New York Times. Obama clearly was following Kissinger ... as a Deep State operative, same as all preceding Presidents back to Truman (with the temporary exception of Kennedy). NWO goes back to a fiction by H G Wells (I saw a B&W early movie of "The Shape Of Things To Come"). Basically involves a UN like government (of course in 1933 it would have been League of Nations) conquering the primitive nationalists.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/zbigniew-brzezinski-the-man-behind-obamas-foreign-policy/21369/
Brzezinski was the primary disciple of Kissinger. Kissinger himself is usually too busy hobnobbing with European royalty and Popes to bother with US Presidents, and sleeping in his coffin during the day. Brzezinski's pro-Poland/anti-Russia POV is all over our mis-begotten Nazi support in the Ukraine. Mika, Brzezinski's daughter continues the proud tradition, at the Ministry Of Truth.
So Cavebear ... Agent of Shield, or Agent of Soros?
@Cavebear. You flatter yourself . I meant the movie men in black. go away please.
Exasperating .
@Barouch. There’re only two way you can look at this , either accidental historian or conspiratorial historian. Shit is opaque and invites conspiracy theories . I like to think I’m with the former group.
I’ve no idea what Kissinger means by new world order. I understand what they mean by a new window. They talk about the demise of the Soviet union. That doesn’t alter the fact that resources offered by this planet are scarce and fall way too short . do what you may but 3rd world war is inevitable. The issue is stave of for asl long as poosible and aftermath
What happened , after the 2nd world war the players were reduced to only two players , America and the Soviet union. Instead of several players each with its sphere of influences , shit was reduced to two with sphere of influences. But shit remained the same. Now shit is steadily reverting to conditions prior to the 2nd war world. You got china, India, etc, and now that little piece of shit N Korea wanting the bomb.if anything shit is heading in a direction worse than before . so what new world order, please tell me ?
After the British mandate , Saudia Arabia and other gulf oil countries fell under the US sphere of influence with the exception of Kuwait which America let the UK have . The agreement was for the soviet union to be an outsider in terms of that part of the world oil mechanics. secondly Israel was there to draw focus away from the oil. Terrorize Israel, bomb Israel, fuck with Israel . in return Israel got chump change from the west and weapons to maintain military balance of power .
that was the arrangement and it was non negotiable. fuck with that shit and America will go war. Two incidents . one when the Russians attempted to land 50 thousand para troopers in Egypt on the pretext of saving the Egyptian 3rd army in the 73 October Israeli Arab war ,and by so doing threatened to violate that arrangement . the Americans went promptly into defcan 3. That signaled the state of readiness to use tactical nuclear weapons as opposed to mass destruction ones to offset imbalance on the western front- 2 million soviet soldiers armed to the teeth versus some 300 thousand US troops. That was also agreed upon between the two sides .
as it happened the soviets backed off .in retrospect . Kissinger tied the hands of Golda Meir from acting first . Kissinger refused to follow Nixon instructions . rest classified shit .you and me won’t know. Still Nixon sheer force of character must have been behind the soviet union chickening out . that’s what they say . They say they were convinced Nixon would have taken it to the limit.
2nd one was Saddam . he went in the wrong direction. Everyone was supposed to home in on Israel. Shoot , bomb, terrorize Israel. Leave the oil alone. End result , American army came and destroyed him. everyone was aganist America though and then came Obama and fucked it up totally
That’s the shit America was lead by. Real men. Evangelist Christian Nixon person with balls. Now you have mommies boys, Clinton and Obama . no wonder the Russians now have a full fledged army in the middle east in Syria. This is dream come true for the Russians . they realized what they couldn’t when they were at the height of their power as Soviet union.
You draw your own conclusions. Obama and company do not take kindly to free speech and woe unto those who rile up the left.
Trump tried to do some damage control. His first trip was to Saudi Arabia . Hard to tell specially since just recently Saudi Arabia ordered missiles from Russia, something that was unthinkable before Obama . Trump did receive an unparalleled welcome but in conclusion the damage can’t be fixed . Saudia planners now factor the Russians as insiders.
You can’t blame them. During the honorable Ronald Regan days when the American 6th fleet entered an area , the whole place went quiet . everyone shut the fuck up. Today Iran has enough missiles to wipe out the American fleet in the gulf straight. Russia is now dictating policy in that region through proxy Iran. And they are in Syria.
Listen it is not possible to understand liberals. There is no method to their madness . all I can tell you is that Trump has brought some really needed sanity back. His UN speech was welcome piece of sanity . America comes first is something world leaders can work with . you scratch my back I scratch yours. People can plan accordingly . the general idea is to leverage America economic interests so as to promote yours as opposed to leveraging liberal insane idealism.
Listen liberals are extremely dangerous . that shit they did by turning corn into ethanol , what happens if there is an issue with grain in Russia or china ? no corn or wheat to shut them up. That means world war iii. And isn’t that the very shit that threw the mid east in that upheaval. Wheat flour went sky high. But look today Kansas shit is what ? 175 bucks , right? Something like that .
Trump also made positive overtures to the third world. Ethiopia who kicked Obama out and Kenya and the rest are listening and ready to play as long as there is none of that Obama madness . hey some people in the third world waved American flags and danced when it was announced that Trump won. Just the other day American flags were waved and people celebrated America in a place you would never guess .
Obama says he regrets Libya , what happened in Libya. Excuse me Mr. president, the idea is not for you to practice the presidency and then turn around and say oh I made a mistake there . its not supposed to work like that . Kaddafi was boxed in since the late Sadat time. Shit makes no sense.
Forget about colonialism and neocolonialism. That’s Soviet era propaganda. Indoctrination deal in multicultural college class in the West . Obsolete in third world. Most of the cadre that was inducted into the soviet union in the 50s and 60s and taught that crap is either dead or retired .
the new shit is called paradigm in terms of centralized booming economy with enforced capitalism versus liberal insanity and Africans for one chose the former and liberals were kicked out of Ethiopia , Kenya and Tanzania ,etc.
China never wavered in spite of liberal gimmicks. Infra structure projects in Africa went full speed ahead funded directly by China . Today the ground for major railway lines connecting Djibouti , through Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania has been laid . The Ethiopian railways is now operating cancelling some 11000 truck and trailer trips and the dam is near completion and will produce enough juice to supply three adjacent countries .
Chinese factories are moving into Africa. Africa is cheaper once the infrastructure is put in place. Africans are taken to china for training and return to man those factories. The Chinese focus on women and as result African women are being empowered like never before .
I don’t want to hear about liberalism nonsense again. Its not even liberalism. There is no method to that guy’s madness. Nobody knows or can tell what’s up. Guy comes , guy set up a compound with amenities and swimming pool. Guy writes checks for shit to be done. Nothing gets done . guys knows nothing is getting done and still writes checks. Funds is depleted . money gone. Guy says thank you and leaves. It’s a joke. The Chinese do not work like that . project is on , project gets done . shit is tightly controlled .
Liberals are not about doing shit . they are about undoing and destroying shit . Trump says he is willing to play. That is great news.everyone wants to see America get involved positively . American corporations got shit no one else got .America is great blessing to the world .they come they bring tech and money . we all benefit . lets do business. Everyone is welcome. America specially . just leave the liberals out. there are no ultimate solutions but we can at least do that shit .
world order? what the fuck is that ? maniacs. psychos . insane. shit . its shit. shit shit shit . khara .
read Sadat bio. . my identity . full of shit but a start.
Ibn - So you get two likes, because you talk straight about recent events of the last two generations.
That and the Soviets tried to put nukes, to do a Cuba in Egypt in 1973. Violation of Bosporus treaty. Nixon caught them in the act, reminded them of Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Soviets abandoned escalation in Egypt, but then Nixon/Kissinger had the US play a more positive role (they and Israel were caught flat footed), and a truce that was fair to Egypt was had. Syria is harder, because they are closer. Golan Heights occupation by Syria ain't gonna happen, unless Damascus is a radioactive crater.
To be fair to the Soviets, they were just being pragmatic in backing down, Egypt isn't the same as Cuba, since Cuba is an island, and all Soviet supplies had to pass thru the Bosporus ... making Egypt become a US satellite, the Soviets being there from the revolution against King Farouk. The Soviets also initially backed Israel earlier in 1948 ... but recognizing Israel was a Truman coup, to make Israel (originally socialist) into a US satellite (eventually Israel became capitalist).
Back then Old Man Joe Stalin was all over the map, but crazy. Beria let Stalin die, kept the doctors away, when Stalin's health failed. It wasn't his Jewish doctors (though Stalin was an anti-Semite same as Hitler). Then Beria was executed, for doing what was necessary, but you can't let a dangerous guy like that live. Sadat did what was necessary, but you can't let a dangerous guy like that live.
Egypt hasn't been a great power for millennia ... so it is other people's puppet, a proud puppet to be sure. Neo-colonialsm .. West or East, but you have to be someone's bitch.
Quote from: Baruch on October 09, 2017, 10:11:55 AM
http://www.wnd.com/2009/01/85442/
Kissinger's own words. Ignore that this isn't reported in the New York Times. Obama clearly was following Kissinger ... as a Deep State operative, same as all preceding Presidents back to Truman (with the temporary exception of Kennedy). NWO goes back to a fiction by H G Wells (I saw a B&W early movie of "The Shape Of Things To Come"). Basically involves a UN like government (of course in 1933 it would have been League of Nations) conquering the primitive nationalists.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/zbigniew-brzezinski-the-man-behind-obamas-foreign-policy/21369/
Brzezinski was the primary disciple of Kissinger. Kissinger himself is usually too busy hobnobbing with European royalty and Popes to bother with US Presidents, and sleeping in his coffin during the day. Brzezinski's pro-Poland/anti-Russia POV is all over our mis-begotten Nazi support in the Ukraine. Mika, Brzezinski's daughter continues the proud tradition, at the Ministry Of Truth.
So Cavebear ... Agent of Shield, or Agent of Soros?
Did I miss a reference to him meeting with Obama?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 11, 2017, 04:55:46 AM
Did I miss a reference to him meeting with Obama?
They have this new thing ... a phone. Also books. But I am not saying Obama was Pinocchio, with the strings still attached. The only string I saw was the one between the two tin cans ... yes, WH technology is that bad (see recent fails by CIA, NSA, OMB ...).
I think this is an epistemological blind point, often seen with atheists. That actually fits in with Bishop Berkeley's Idealism. If you personally didn't see it happen, then it never happened. So of course if you didn't personally see G-d take out Adam's rib to create Eve, then it didn't happen. That actually works in that case ... because it didn't happen. Compare the policy positions and say ... they didn't work together?
Quote from: Baruch on October 11, 2017, 07:06:04 AM
They have this new thing ... a phone. Also books. But I am not saying Obama was Pinocchio, with the strings still attached. The only string I saw was the one between the two tin cans ... yes, WH technology is that bad (see recent fails by CIA, NSA, OMB ...).
I think this is an epistemological blind point, often seen with atheists. That actually fits in with Bishop Berkeley's Idealism. If you personally didn't see it happen, then it never happened. So of course if you didn't personally see G-d take out Adam's rib to create Eve, then it didn't happen. That actually works in that case ... because it didn't happen. Compare the policy positions and say ... they didn't work together?
I've heard of book. Even the phone. But the existence of neither is evidence they talked. Though I wouldn'r be surprised if they did. Obama talked to a lot of experienced people.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 11, 2017, 10:59:02 AM
I've heard of book. Even the phone. But the existence of neither is evidence they talked. Though I wouldn'r be surprised if they did. Obama talked to a lot of experienced people.
Not Jimmy Carter. Obama was Kissinger's golum. Kissinger created a whole army of them ;-(
You know Barouch you should ask for my permission before you go ahead and give my post aâ€likeâ€
More than two generation and different US administration and shit goes back actually to the times of the Russian Czars ..
Creation of Israel. The soviet didn’t vote in favor out of love for Israel. Just another decision propelled by communist expansionist agenda .
The Americans debated among themselves to the very last minutes. Just minutes before the vote the phone call from the white house was made and the American delegation was given the green light to go ahead and vote in favor .
What it is , Americans are loath to the idea of creation of states or cessation. They had a devastating civil war . but in the end they overcame that shit and voted for. So American decision was moral which speaks well for them .add also the Americans entered the Arabian scene later after 1960s . no vested interest in decision. infact vote for went against long term interest
Your “in favor “ of the Soviet union is an illusion . The soviets practiced arbitrariness. They go into a block and for no reason whatsoever pick up a family or bunch of people and butcher them and let everyone know. Its like getting hit by thunder . The leftist mean to say they are god . its not idle talk they say there is no god . they say there is no god so they can say they are god . The left caused so much pain and suffering .people are fed up with them .in some third world countries , they grab them take them out to the bush and summarily execute them... And Americans must never relinquish the right to fire arms , for that day when the left tries that arbitrary shit .
It was Sadat . after the cease fire Kissinger walks in and Sadat in his loud larger than life attitude bellows , “ my canal ( suez canal) is blocked by sunken ship and debris. Quick thinking Kissinger understands and says to Sadat to give him a minute to make the necessary phone calls and the American navy moves in the canal and clears the debris . and Egypt joined the American fold .
Sadat set it up from the start. War to alter no war no peace state . Soviets were outsiders. Egyptian economy in a state of collapse. Sadat acted in the interest of his country. Nothing wrong with that .great thing to do . practical people you can work with. You can cut a deal. America is gigantic economy and they play fair and always ready to cut a deal . this is with the exception of the American left of course. . Its not being someone bitch to cut a deal. Its being rational. Same goes for Israel.
Some say deep State , others say governments within governments . doesn’t matter. Kissinger is very powerful man with reach, leverage and contacts world wide. what distinguishes Kissinger is his ruthlessness. What the left fears and hates about him, he is more ruthless than them. He is more than a match for them . Kissinger favorite word is bomb them , just bomb them into smithereens .
One thing about Kissinger, he is american before jew.
Kissinger talked to Obama on several occasions and was in constant contact with his cabinet and some of them did take orders from him. No US admin can write off Kissinger . He has leverage in the world and in the middle east specially Egypt and Israel. But it didn’t matter because Obama can’t be talked to because Obama was not of sound mind .you have no idea the sort effort expended to restrain Obama from fucking up more than he did . I don’t mean crazy. I mean his character flaws are like that Greek tragedian character flaws. In the end he turned into loose canon .
The Iranian deal was not about preventing Iran from making the bomb or prolonging the time it takes them to make it.Just like N Korea, Iran can not be persuaded not to make the bomb . everyone is agreed about that . The Iranian deal was to prevent bombing Iran to stop Iran from making the bomb which was the only way to stop Iran from making the bomb. Kissinger was for bombing Iran, Obama and company chose to live with an Iran who has the bomb, they rushed the deal just in time before Obama term expired. Trump now has to 1st cancel the deal and then bomb .it can’t be done .
You can’t have the EU and America. The Euro can not survive with the dollar around, not when you do the math. . In order for the EU to survive it has to either destroy America or severely compromise America .The EU was behind and backed the Iranian deal .
People question why the American federal reserve walked it alone in the 2008 market crash. Yet everyone knows the EU refused to co operate . the Chinese worked with the federal reserve . Japan stayed still . Royal Scotland Bank co operated.
Kissinger talked to Trump. He is very impressed. Its not easy to impress Kissinger. Kissinger sees what seasoned politicians see . Trump has great instinct. Chuck Japan and South Korea. Those two must go and get their own bombs. The reason why there is N Korea problem is because of South Korea and japan. Therefore they should bear the brunt of their blunder.
Trump concentrating on UK and Latin America. Liquidation in Latin America on the hour every hour .Trump must cut down the left in Latin America. Stop immigration into the US. Trump conducting intense bombing of Afghanistan .good idea. Bomb them into submission. .
Follow the oil. Exxon and chevron have explaining to do . warren buffet. Why Exxon blew the money on buying its shares and dividends payout ? Tilerson needs to explain. If there is any moron its him and certainly not Trump.Trump would never have fucked up like that . The US admin could have stopped it if someone made a move .
After Trump speech at the UN the French lost the concession in the Niger . after brexit Bp got the delta concession nailed and brazil. .
The picture is opaque .no one knows. you don’t have to know. Just know enough to steer safely around the potholes .
That’s all on this matter .
Hey its supposed to be about Buddhism. I want to talk about Hinduism.trample on it. did you or did you not see some of them Indian sweethearts? they got hair that reaches the ankles. I say we beat the Hindus and take their women. I want them . I had one before. I wanted to bring her home but arab women won't have it. they would have poisoned her .
Ibn - "they say there is no god so they can say they are god" ... yes, always look to someone's motives as to why they say and do what they say and do. The motives might be evil. I am civil with our friends here, only because they don't wear Cheka leather jackets or Mao jackets. Of course religious people can be tyrants too. They simply claim that G-d told them to be dicks.
Kissinger was German before he was Jewish. Was American before he was Jewish. Resumed being German before he was Jewish. He is ruthless ... an evil man, like Bismarck. He is a good German (sarc). A good Jew isn't like that. Netanyahu isn't a good Jew, but is a good Israeli. The Israelis are like the Germans though. A high quota of evil people in charge. So you admire ruthless people? You must like Nasser. An Egyptian patriot to be sure, but more ruthless than Sadat ... but not as ruthless as Dayan.
Hinduism? One of my studies, though not as well studied as Buddhism. I have studied Sanskrit and Hindi. Read the Gita, currently picking thru the Yoga Sutra. So why would you care? Like so many religious people, your knowledge of religion (as opposed to politics) is shallow. You have to study the language, to study a culture. So much of the culture is in the words they use.
Here we’re again. Myself, a man of deep religious believes, a holy man , the best Catholic in the world second only to the pope and barouch , the not phony Jew. I got my work cut out for me
You claim my knowledge of religion is shallow .You’re upset. Something I said ? look you need to be smacked . its good for you. I did Buddhism next is Hinduism. Don’t fight it . relax
Regarding Kissinger ruthlessness and shit , its complicated. You need some basic knowledge about religion to figure it out .I’ll see what I can do for you .but first lets talk about my favorite people , the belly dancers. Incidentally you failed to pick up on Safeeya . she was 17 years old when Mohammed killed her father and brother when he massacred the Jewish tribe . and hey Barouch you want to point fingers at Kissinger when you romanticize a monster murderer like Mohammed . get it together will you ?
Sadat set up the whole shit . I mean placing Egypt under the protection and on the good side of America. Kissinger was perfect match for the job. Very brainy and very sharp Kissinger was . Sadat knew that . but just to make sure he employed the belly dancers. He knew Kissinger was an alpha male. Basically the center of his intelligence is located in his penis . so Sadat hit Kissinger with one of two top belly dancer , Najwa Fowad . Kissinger fell in love with her at first sight .she danced and sat on his lap you see . from that moment on , Kissinger was like.. where is najwa, bring me najwa, I want Najwa .Kissinger went nuts and bought two Arabian horses , called one Najwa and shipped them to America. Shit is so funny. unfortunately Njawa was married and her husband was not someone to dispose of . so the Egyptian security apparatus worked really hard and was able to find another girl who looked the split image of Najwa , gave her crash course on belly dancing and gave her to Kissinger so Kissinger shuts up about it . I’m talking like an identical twin except slightly taller . it cooled things down . But Kissinger still talked about the Najwa . how is she ? my baby, where is she , I love her, etc . you know shit like that . then came Nixon turn . Nixon visited and having heard all about it from Kissinger he looked at Sadat and he was like, lets have it .. Sadat unleashed the other belly dancer and Nixon eyes kept revolving in their socket . At one point the belly dancer came off the stage to dance directly infront of Nixon. Security forces moved to stop her but Nixon waved them away .he told them to back the fuck off . she danced but she didn’t sit on his lap . that’s what they say . camera shit censored .
. Hey barouch , you know how every saint has a favorite saying that little people like to quote by way of paying homage to him.I thought of a saying that I’d like people to quote after I get canonized. It goes : “If god created anything better than pussy he must have kept it for himself “
What do you think? Don’t hold back now. I don’t mind being showered with praise .
Kissinger and ruthlessness . its more complicated than that . its a combination. Americans are known as empiricist whereas Europeans as theoreticians. The marriage of the two produced the atomic bomb and the trip to the moon. The rest of mankind , such as soviet union, stole the secrets from the Americans via American leftist and commies. Basically shit is still the same . its not that clear cut but on the whole that’s the way it works .
Now American mind set takes its shit directly from the bible being essentially protestants . in the bible there is an over riding directive . it tells them to test . its directs them to test the books test everything and take what is good . That’s partly where that empirical bent comes from. the other shit is in what Jesus directs Christians to do which is to love god with all their heart , soul and mind . The bit about the mind says clearly to use their head , that is “reason†. The soul is to inject mysticism in their consideration . this is to mediate reason because reason can be brutal . reason says to kill ten millions in order to save eleven millions sort of shit . the heart, well, America is very generous , in some 20 years it gave away a trillion dollars in aid . so this is the life liberty and pursuit of happiness shit .
in one conference the Indian delegation stood up and said that America should give more .you give them an arm they want the leg . and Hilary and Obama want to bring the failures of the world and give them a home in America. Btw Barouch successful Africans and third world people do not immigrate . if you can’t make it in the third world you can’t make it in America . generally speaking.
The thing with Kissinger he is a theoretician. He is an European “reason†based mind set . it does love god with your mind and discards love god with your soul and with you heart . this is mind set that doesn’t do “whyâ€. In tour response you used “whyâ€. Kissinger mind doesn’t ask why . it asks “how come “ . it doesn’t asks why they do what they do , it asks how come they can get away with doing what they do. Then Netanyahu sends a precision rocket up the ass of Palestinian terrorist leader and terrorist doesn’t get away with talking his shit . its like that . you got it ? good
Now the next part is the Semite hell. You do shit and Kissinger visits on you his idea of hell, the lake/ball of fire . bomb you , burn you alive . Isis takes the Jordanian pilot , puts him in a cage and torches him/ . Shiite catch an Isis guy , they string him upside down and light a fire beneath . guys wiggles like fish in water. Sorry no water for you . I saw that shit I laughed so hard I had to bite on my fist to stop from laughing . in Arabic we have a saying , the worst of calamities is one that make you laugh . but frankly shit is funny.when I’m out there I can’t help cracking up at the shit .
Contrast that with Indian re incarnation . now that shit doesn’t lead to the Semite hell. Long story , but what it leads to is biological warfare . The Japanese being re incarnation lot were poised to strike America with shit that would have killed tens of millions and lasted to this day .The Americans nuked the two islands. Couple of hell fireballs and Japanese caved in. Americans have shit they call hell fire missiles . oh shit .. You better watch it .
Godless sissy commie punks versus hell fire Americans , who you think would win the day . The Lord of hosts of the armies doesn’t fuck around. Lean mean calculating machine . he flooded the whole planet . I think that was because something went wrong with bi pedal genes . sin after all means error. To correct it he had to eliminate most of the bi pedal population. He said he wouldn’t do it again. So we’re stuck with these genes . Putin of Russia is of the opinion in the future we will merge with machine . bionic man. The question that presents itself would it be possible to trip bionic man with the belly dancer ? .
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You need to somehow rise above the indoctrination and realize Christianity is not really a religion.Lumping religions like you do blocks your seeing. The NT is an ethical book for the most parts. Religion points to rules . The rules are in Catholicism. And even then the Vatican from the outset ceded the right to war and all to do with war to the State . The State operates on the basis of “reason†. they call it natural law . what the Vatican does is appeal to the State in terms of “reasonâ€. When that doesn’t work and the severity of situation calls for it the Vatican tries to inject mysticism to mediate reason .
Nasser was not a patriot . he was a pan Arabist . he was originally a Muslim brother . In the beginning his crowd gave Sadat some static. They banged on the chairs and shouted Nasser Nasser . Sadat got on the podium and said that Egyptians were pharaohs with 7 thousand years civilization and referring to Nasser he stretched his hands and said “The man is dead “.
the above is crude, but profiling roughly goes like that . belly dancers were tried on hitler . mixed results . Hitler was odd sexually. Obama they say was semi gay or something . Brezhnev went well with .
Ok I liked that meandering screed. Quite a brain dump. Goes to show that every culture has conspiracy theories. But really, none of us has inside information. Also it is generally considered embarrassing to refer to sex like a teenager when you are actually a mature person.
Ibn - there are people who know religion and those who know Religion. You seem to only know religion, the externalities. Not the interior, not Religion. You were never a Sufi, yes?
Without ÙˆØدة اÙ,,Ø±ÙˆØ you don't know Religion.
Quote from: Baruch on October 15, 2017, 11:53:32 AM
Ibn - there are people who know religion and those who know Religion. You seem to only know religion, the externalities. Not the interior, not Religion. You were never a Sufi, yes?
Without ÙˆØدة اÙ,,Ø±ÙˆØ you don't know Religion.
I think a more appropriate question would be--'Are you, or have you ever been, sane?????' I think I know the answer.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 15, 2017, 03:14:36 PM
I think a more appropriate question would be--'Are you, or have you ever been, sane?????' I think I know the answer.
Democritus, the Laughing philosopher ... laughed at everyone and everything, except himself and his own ideas. Others thought he was insane. As the founding atomist, he was the sanest of all of them. Ibn doesn't laugh enough I think.
Quote from: Baruch on October 15, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
Ibn doesn't laugh enough I think.
Ibn doesn't think enough--I laugh.
OP is a waste of time. Mental and emotional issues galore. Not entertaining in the least.
My OP stands. I’m Catholic . I beat you. I'm brillaint. Go write one and lets see you make an ass out of yourself . Put your money where your mouth is .
St Augustine. Soul points to immaterial . it’s a conceive deal . That’s one solution suggested by St Augustine . doesn’t matter if he is right or wrong , the important part he invited in intellectualism and philosophy by suggesting it . This is as opposed to failed Islamic civilization Abu Hamid AL ghazelle
St Augustine is a start. Start there . don’t waste your time on failed civilizations. Work your way to latest which is official catholic doctrine .going can be rather tasking though . its rigged to receive any further advances in modern sciences.
To know religion is no problem. Its to know the rules. In Islam there is one interpretations that ascribed to Mohammed . Mohammed is actually joint god with Allah or better still allah working for him .read Thomas wolfe.
Look Jesus in the bible likeness soul to shit you can’t tell where it comes from and where it goes . This Catholic theologians showed me a bunch of formulations . I’ve been working on them now and then for 6 years . I haven’t got anywhere . I found however a number that keeps popping up repeatedly . the law of causality stops and restarts but it does it without time passing . Its always there but it changes direction and branches in directions . I think but I’m not sure its free will. .
so math even though can and will go above rationality and reason still doesn’t get you anywhere . The Saint argues you can get a glimpse of the truth , just a glimpse mind you, through the soul defined by him as “unified†in the sense of being single , immortal , with that glimpse handed down to it through the maker , the logos , the god of Catholicism. The forefathers, the jews arrived at the same conclusion albeit by revelation. things though progressed a lot ever since.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 16, 2017, 02:08:46 PM
Go write one and lets see you make an ass out of yourself .
You do this in each and every post. You can't string two sentences together--can't spell. In that respect, you are brilliant.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 16, 2017, 05:12:58 PM
You do this in each and every post. You can't string two sentences together--can't spell. In that respect, you are brilliant.
Modern artist? They can't paint ;-)
@ Mickey mouse . Change “You do this is each and every post†to “ you do that in all your posts . “ Strike “can’t†and say you string and you spell incorrectly. Do followed by can’t is an oxymoron
shit is peculiar about your failure to express yourself intelligibly . are you thinking in another language and then translating shit or are you just plain stupid ? odd shit
leave please. Go away
okay what do you want ? something I said bothered you ? take it up with fiction that made you . Mike is fiction . fiction fiction . honestly mike you are funny. I changed my mind stay . stay . talk some more . say fiction . can you do that ? say do can't fiction -spell do can't do fiction cado nt . say quack . quack quack. say cheese. there i made mickey mouse smile.
Quoteare you thinking in another language and then translating shit or are you just plain stupid ? odd shit
leave please. Go away
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Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 17, 2017, 04:22:15 PM
@ Mickey mouse . Change “You do this is each and every post†to “ you do that in all your posts . “ Strike “can’t†and say you string and you spell incorrectly. Do followed by can’t is an oxymoron
shit is peculiar about your failure to express yourself intelligibly . are you thinking in another language and then translating shit or are you just plain stupid ? odd shit
leave please. Go away
okay what do you want ? something I said bothered you ? take it up with fiction that made you . Mike is fiction . fiction fiction . honestly mike you are funny. I changed my mind stay . stay . talk some more . say fiction . can you do that ? say do can't fiction -spell do can't do fiction cado nt . say quack . quack quack. say cheese. there i made mickey mouse smile.
:))))) Your put down whit (I guess you meant this mess to be a put down) is just as inane as your other crap. If you had a brain in your head you could maybe raise to stupid. But then you are a theist.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 17, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
:))))) Your put down whit (I guess you meant this mess to be a put down) is just as inane as your other crap. If you had a brain in your head you could maybe raise to stupid. But then you are a theist.
Maybe he smoke too much hooka growing up in Egypt?
Quote from: Baruch on October 17, 2017, 06:37:24 PM
Maybe he smoke too much hooka growing up in Egypt?
Or did not smoke enough. And what leads you to believe his is 'grown up'???
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 06:13:00 AM
cavebear stop rambling yourself and put a lid on it. what you need to do first is fix that falsification about surat al fatiha .two, there are such things as private messages and e mails . three, I posted that shit in 12 sites , all positive reviews except here which means it hit a sensitive nerve. Fourth I collected so far 831 pronouncement /statements made here on this site related to efficacy in terms of indoctrination into Buddhism.
Barouch is clueless . its starts at public school , in early grades in art classes . Usually shit coupled with pets like Chinese new year . year of the rat and year of the rabbit . they get their foot in the door very early on.
Sorry rest you just gonna have to wait for it to be published .
You received positive reviews in other sites because they were theist sites involving your fellow superstitious fools.
why don't you go write something. lets see what you can do .
what book ? i churn out that shit in minutes .
@mike. I want to apologize to you . your English is great . .The problem Barouch responses do things to my mind and make me say things . its his fault
Hey guess what . I found a picture of none other than Jimmy Carter sitting at a dinning table and a belly dancer dancing on the table . I’m shocked. Sadat was really bad . he went all out belly dancers .
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 18, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
@mike. I want to apologize to you . your English is great . .The problem Barouch responses do things to my mind and make me say things . its his fault
Hey guess what . I found a picture of none other than Jimmy Carter sitting at a dinning table and a belly dancer dancing on the table . I’m shocked. Sadat was really bad . he went all out belly dancers .
BOT? Hacker?
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 18, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
@mike. I want to apologize to you . your English is great . .The problem Barouch responses do things to my mind and make me say things . its his fault
Hey guess what . I found a picture of none other than Jimmy Carter sitting at a dinning table and a belly dancer dancing on the table . I’m shocked. Sadat was really bad . he went all out belly dancers .
:whoo:
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 18, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
@mike. I want to apologize to you . your English is great . .The problem Barouch responses do things to my mind and make me say things . its his fault
Hey guess what . I found a picture of none other than Jimmy Carter sitting at a dinning table and a belly dancer dancing on the table . I’m shocked. Sadat was really bad . he went all out belly dancers .
I am the puppet master. You are my puppet. If I have you lie then your nose grows ;-)
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on October 18, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
@mike. I want to apologize to you . your English is great . .The problem Barouch responses do things to my mind and make me say things . its his fault
Hey guess what . I found a picture of none other than Jimmy Carter sitting at a dinning table and a belly dancer dancing on the table . I’m shocked. Sadat was really bad . he went all out belly dancers .
I want to suggest a word for you to look up. "Gullible"
Quote from: Cavebear on October 23, 2017, 04:49:09 AM
I want to suggest a word for you to look up. "Gullible"
The Third World has their own conspiracy theories. Not any better or worse than ours. I frankly don't know or care what the President did in the ME from 1967-2017. If Carter saw some dancing girls, I hope that killer rabbit didn't get jealous of him ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 23, 2017, 10:36:10 PM
The Third World has their own conspiracy theories. Not any better or worse than ours. I frankly don't know or care what the President did in the ME from 1967-2017. If Carter saw some dancing girls, I hope that killer rabbit didn't get jealous of him ;-)
And gullible also means you think Carter's "lust in his heart" means anything.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 27, 2017, 01:35:48 PM
And gullible also means you think Carter's "lust in his heart" means anything.
A Southern gentleman's quibble.
Quote from: Baruch on October 27, 2017, 01:48:33 PM
A Southern gentleman's quibble.
I'm no southern gentleman...
And there you can go if you wish. ;)
Though a Southern Comfort and Peach liquor is a fine drink.