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It's both comforting and terrifying that a Roman politician 2000 years ago could utter a sentence about his government and it sounds exactly like something someone would say today.
America's survived with its good name intact after Nixon, Cheney and two Bushes, I think it will survive Trump to perfectly fine.
I don't get why people think that Trump will not sit the whole term. I reckon Trump will sit this term fully, and probably has a good chance being re-elected for a 2nd term.
If George Bush can sit 2 terms, an asshole like Trump is more than certain to be able to sit 2 terms as well.
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 22, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I don't get why people think that Trump will not sit the whole term. I reckon Trump will sit this term fully, and probably has a good chance being re-elected for a 2nd term.
If George Bush can sit 2 terms, an asshole like Trump is more than certain to be able to sit 2 terms as well.
Collusion with a foreign enemy, for one, is a possible reason he won't make it to two terms. Defending Nazis and white supremacists doesn't help either.
Instead of making USA a better country to live in, you are chanelling all your energies to hate your president, your country and your culture.
Because you are programmed to do that.
Do you ever question why it is so?
For decades the academia is teaching you what to think, and not how to think.
Universities are the centers of Marxist indoctrination.
Churning out sjw, antifa, snowflakes.
Not knowledgeable, productive, useful citizens.
On the road to perdition.
[spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEgTaM28ls
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Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2017, 04:22:34 AM
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It's both comforting and terrifying that a Roman politician 2000 years ago could utter a sentence about his government and it sounds exactly like something someone would say today.
The US is Rome. And Cicero was a great guy, but a loser to Mark Anthony and Octavian ... in the end. Power comes from the end of a gladius - Maous Sinicus
But but ... the Clintons are traitors too. In the late Roman Republic, everyone was, except for Cicero and Cato the Younger. In the end the Mafia facts on the ground ... read as tea leaves said ... we don't need no stinking Republic!
So welcome to the Empire. Your audience with Emperor Caligula will begin shortly. Goodus luckus!
Quote from: Munch on September 22, 2017, 05:18:17 AM
America's survived with its good name intact after Nixon, Cheney and two Bushes, I think it will survive Trump to perfectly fine.
We have been OK since the OSS/CIA got with FBI and had sexy photos of Truman in flagrante delicto? Every President since, have been controlled MIC assets. Trust your Praetorian Guard ... or else!
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 22, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I don't get why people think that Trump will not sit the whole term. I reckon Trump will sit this term fully, and probably has a good chance being re-elected for a 2nd term.
If George Bush can sit 2 terms, an asshole like Trump is more than certain to be able to sit 2 terms as well.
All depends on if he does what he is told. So far he has. The Tea Party insurgency has been completely neutered. DoD and Goldman-Sachs are in complete control of their new puppet, same as the old puppet. All they have to do is show him the film of George W chocking on pretzels, or the real Zapruder film.
"Pick up and read" ... the message from G-d (through children playing a game) to St Augustine that made him a Christian. But that is late Rome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfVjU6YKsc8
and with a bit of Roman drama ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtUQqiIa0oI
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2017, 05:48:54 AM
Collusion with a foreign enemy, for one, is a possible reason he won't make it to two terms. Defending Nazis and white supremacists doesn't help either.
So, you have declared war on Putin? I kind of like him. On that horse, in Siberia, galloping along with no shirt on ...
Or did you mean FDR colluding with Winston Churchill?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2017, 05:48:54 AM
Collusion with a foreign enemy, for one, is a possible reason he won't make it to two terms. Defending Nazis and white supremacists doesn't help either.
Also, his own knuckledragger core is pissed off at him now, because he cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer -- apparently they haven't heard that politics is more than stamping your foot and screaming "NO!" when you don't get your way without compromise.
I genuinely hope he'll only be a one-termer. Or less, if the Mueller investigation turns up sufficient dirt.
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 22, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I don't get why people think that Trump will not sit the whole term. I reckon Trump will sit this term fully, and probably has a good chance being re-elected for a 2nd term.
If George Bush can sit 2 terms, an asshole like Trump is more than certain to be able to sit 2 terms as well.
I fucking hate it when you say this!!! But I fear it is exactly what will happen. Trump impeached--not gonna happen.
Quote from: trdsf on September 22, 2017, 09:49:25 AM
Also, his own knuckledragger core is pissed off at him now, because he cut a deal with Pelosi and Schumer -- apparently they haven't heard that politics is more than stamping your foot and screaming "NO!" when you don't get your way without compromise.
I genuinely hope he'll only be a one-termer. Or less, if the Mueller investigation turns up sufficient dirt.
Trump's campaign manager Mr Manafort ... seems to have a lot of dirt under his bed. So it could lead back to the Boss of Bosses.
Quote from: pr126 on September 22, 2017, 05:58:19 AM
Instead of making USA a better country to live in, you are chanelling all your energies to hate your president, your country and your culture.
Because you are programmed to do that.
Do you ever question why it is so?
For decades the academia is teaching you what to think, and not how to think.
Universities are the centers of Marxist indoctrination.
Churning out sjw, antifa, snowflakes.
Not knowledgeable, productive, useful citizens.
On the road to perdition.
[spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEgTaM28ls
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Trends start with Jewish people ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2017, 04:22:34 AM
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It's both comforting and terrifying that a Roman politician 2000 years ago could utter a sentence about his government and it sounds exactly like something someone would say today.
That argument can be made to object to external enemies and honest objectors to govt practices within.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 02:51:51 AM
That argument can be made to object to external enemies and honest objectors to govt practices within.
Specifically the quote was made when Cicero was consul (aka President) and Catiline and company were actual traitors. This when Caesar was still young. Catiline was more like a Mayor Daley character ... in debt to the Mob and unable to pay back what he owed. His creditors were going to knee cap him at the neck ... so he wanted to proscribe the property and lives of his political rivals, to pay back the Mob. Caesar got into debt the same way ... paying the voters to vote for him. He destroyed Gaul to pay his debts ... and having several armies at his command, just kept on going.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catiline
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 22, 2017, 05:38:14 AM
I don't get why people think that Trump will not sit the whole term. I reckon Trump will sit this term fully, and probably has a good chance being re-elected for a 2nd term.
If George Bush can sit 2 terms, an asshole like Trump is more than certain to be able to sit 2 terms as well.
I'll tell you what
if you watch and listen to things he says
he lets things slip out
that kind of tells you what's really going on
he's got this thing called it hits the brain and it's the mouth instantly
I know I've been a victim of it myself
I don't know what's going on
and whether he goes. Term I don't even think that's an issue here I think something else bigger is going on
Go back and look through video archives of trump he keeps referring to they who is this they
Alright he did say in one of his interviews on video that he was gone to open up the gates on what happened September 01 okay and guess what January's YouTube has been flooded
And dr. Woods finally was heard when Wikipedia was blacklisting her and many many other sites and anybody that helped her this is not by accident that all of a sudden it came out in January
Honestly I got to be truthful I think we're going to see a repeat of JFK here he made good on one thing and I don't think they liked it
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I don't think this is anything that you would from there's something bigger going on okay we all pretty much know it's a puppet government and he keeps letting things slip out saying they they who in so many video interviews this was said they they they who is they
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Quote from: mentaldreams on September 24, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
I'll tell you what
if you watch and listen to things he says
he lets things slip out
that kind of tells you what's really going on
he's got this thing called it hits the brain and it's the mouth instantly
I know I've been a victim of it myself
I don't know what's going on
and whether he goes. Term I don't even think that's an issue here I think something else bigger is going on
Go back and look through video archives of trump he keeps referring to they who is this they
Alright he did say in one of his interviews on video that he was gone to open up the gates on what happened September 01 okay and guess what January's YouTube has been flooded
And dr. Woods finally was heard when Wikipedia was blacklisting her and many many other sites and anybody that helped her this is not by accident that all of a sudden it came out in January
Honestly I got to be truthful I think we're going to see a repeat of JFK here he made good on one thing and I don't think they liked it
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Welcome, mental. But could you please use some punctuation? It is hard to follow what you are trying to say.
Quote from: mentaldreams on September 24, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
I don't think this is anything that you would from there's something bigger going on okay we all pretty much know it's a puppet government and he keeps letting things slip out saying they they who in so many video interviews this was said they they they who is they
Boomhower?
Mentaldreams ... yes, things are not as they are advertised. Never were. And it may seem that the seams of fake news are fraying. But we will never know what happened ... so "don't worry, be happy".
Hillary is the kind of traitor that would steal your cocaine. Trump is the kind of traitor that would call the police to report that his cocaine was stolen. One smart and one dumb. Trump makes Bush and Bugs Bunny look like a couple of PhDs.
O.P. the government being destroyed from within. I dont think we are just talking about Trump. Nope. I think there are more than a few in Congress as well
Mental When you say something bigger is going on are you refering to the crimes Trump is involved in or to untold stories of the puppet government? I got a little lost in what you were saying.
Trumps crimes - current rumor is that he was laundering money for Russia for a long time. => If this is true he was really stupid to run for president. Probably would have got away with it if he stayed out of the spotlight.
puppet government - lots of stories on the internet. Maybe they are all true and maybe none of them are
Sept 01 - if the official story is somehow false and Trump decided to enlighten us, I have no doubt they would silence him before he could tell. => we all know that there are big holes in the official storyline, but we have less of a chance of finding out the truth than we do about JFK
Quote from: fencerider on September 26, 2017, 02:31:54 AM
Hillary is the kind of traitor that would steal your cocaine. Trump is the kind of traitor that would call the police to report that his cocaine was stolen. One smart and one dumb. Trump makes Bush and Bugs Bunny look like a couple of PhDs.
O.P. the government being destroyed from within. I dont think we are just talking about Trump. Nope. I think there are more than a few in Congress as well
Mental When you say something bigger is going on are you refering to the crimes Trump is involved in or to untold stories of the puppet government? I got a little lost in what you were saying.
Trumps crimes - current rumor is that he was laundering money for Russia for a long time. => If this is true he was really stupid to run for president. Probably would have got away with it if he stayed out of the spotlight.
puppet government - lots of stories on the internet. Maybe they are all true and maybe none of them are
Sept 01 - if the official story is somehow false and Trump decided to enlighten us, I have no doubt they would silence him before he could tell. => we all know that there are big holes in the official storyline, but we have less of a chance of finding out the truth than we do about JFK
Is that you Elmer Fudd? Don't diss the Bugs.
Hillary and Donald are distractions ... while someone else has their hand in your pocket. And yes, either would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those crazy kids and their dumb dog.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 22, 2017, 05:48:54 AM
Collusion with a foreign enemy, for one, is a possible reason he won't make it to two terms. Defending Nazis and white supremacists doesn't help either.
Certainly.
Though I'm not sure how that's relevant since he (Trump) has done neither.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 11:09:00 AM
Certainly.
Though I'm not sure how that's relevant since he (Trump) has done neither.
And it is stupid people like you who caused this fucked up person to be in office.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 11:40:09 AM
And it is stupid people like you who caused this fucked up person to be in office.
Thanks.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 11:09:00 AM
Certainly.
Though I'm not sure how that's relevant since he (Trump) has done neither.
Clinton Foundation took $1 million donation from Qatar ... but that isn't treason ... they are Democrats!
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 11:40:09 AM
And it is stupid people like you who caused this fucked up person to be in office.
Go back to Mordor where you orcs came from ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 12:54:45 PM
Go back to Mordor where you orcs came from ;-)
At least Mordor has a better leader than we do.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
At least Mordor has a better leader than we do.
What policies of his do you not like?
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 01:02:34 PM
At least Mordor has a better leader than we do.
Are you sure? We put Sauron on the dollar bill ;-))
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 01:10:08 PM
What policies of his do you not like?
Can't think of one I do like.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 01:10:26 PM
Are you sure? We put Sauron on the dollar bill ;-))
Yeah, I'm sure.
Here's Chump, showing what he's all about:
(https://i.imgur.com/TZ8rvhC.gif)
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
Can you share anything positive Trump has done?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 11:09:00 AM
Certainly.
Though I'm not sure how that's relevant since he (Trump) has done neither.
The evidence is not in your favour. Forget religion, defending trump requires some true delusion. Religion is at least intangible, but we can empirically prove that Donald is a complete and utter failure of a president, and within his first year has already secured a legacy of being one of the worst presidents we have ever had.
I get how embarrassing that must be to admit, but digging a hole deeper and deeper won't help you escape that shame.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
I will admit that those bill titles look good. But the title of a bill passed by Congress means nothing. And I'm not going to take the time to read about what those bill 'actually' accomplish.
For the sake of argument let me just stipulate that those bills are all positive. What does that really have to do with Trump? Did he or Obama really work to get those bills written and passed? Or did neither? I don't know the history of any of those. And this is the pinnacle of what Trump has accomplished?
Let me just say that I am deeply disappointed in each and every appointment to any and every office; plus he has not come close to appointing people to all of the offices that should be. I am so fucking tired of his daily stream of lies. His posturing with North Korea is beyond childish and clearly dangerous. He has not done anything with class; not done anything that is not divisive; not done anything that is not to his own personal advantage. And I wonder if he can ever get himself off his own golf courses???? The best I can say for Trump is that he is alive-----wait......wait.......yeah, not even that is positive!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321
Originally introduced in 2016. Reintroduced 2017. Not Trump's initiative.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255
Originally introduced in 2014. Reintroduced in 2016 and 2017. Democratic initiatative.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38
Strongly disagree this is a "good" thing.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657
Originated in 2016. Not a Trump initiative. Re-introduced in 2017, nearly unanimous vote in both houses - completely bipartisan support.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
Well, hey. One that actually originated this year. Although I see no indication that this was his idea.
The only claim you can make is that he signed them, or didn't oppose them. None of these appear to have originated with him.
Quote from: trdsf on September 26, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
Originally introduced in 2016. Reintroduced 2017. Not Trump's initiative.
Originally introduced in 2014. Reintroduced in 2016 and 2017. Democratic initiatative.
Strongly disagree this is a "good" thing.
Originated in 2016. Not a Trump initiative. Re-introduced in 2017, nearly unanimous vote in both houses - completely bipartisan support.
Well, hey. One that actually originated this year. Although I see no indication that this was his idea.
The only claim you can make is that he signed them, or didn't oppose them. None of these appear to have originated with him.
The question wasn't "What have the republicans done?" It was "What has TRUMP done?"
Your entire post, then, is irrelevant.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 05:04:56 PM
I will admit that those bill titles look good. But the title of a bill passed by Congress means nothing. And I'm not going to take the time to read about what those bill 'actually' accomplish.
The site has a summary, albeit in legal terms, of what the bill is, on the very pages I cited.
QuoteFor the sake of argument let me just stipulate that those bills are all positive. What does that really have to do with Trump? Did he or Obama really work to get those bills written and passed? Or did neither? I don't know the history of any of those. And this is the pinnacle of what Trump has accomplished?
">For the sake of argument lets assume that the bills Trump signed are good
>What does that have to do with Trump?"
u wot.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
The evidence is not in your favour.
Let's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.
QuoteLet's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.
I'll leave the debates to Mueller. He and his investigation is more important than my opinion, and he has allot more evidence than we do.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
Let's have a 1 on 1 debate in the formal debates section.
Let's not.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
I'll leave the debates to Mueller. He and his investigation is more important than my opinion, and he has allot more evidence than we do.
If you thought your narrative was an accurate description of reality, you'd be able to prove it by using the demonstrable truth's of objective reality.
But you aren't sure if you're right or not. You just believe what people who you trust have told you to. You've never looked into these things yourself. And all this would be fine - IF you weren't telling people who have looked into it, and who have formed convictions about it, that they're wrong. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, debate me or stfu.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 05:57:07 PM
Let's not.
Debate is scary for people who believe their narrative will be shattered with it.
I have no interest in debating you for the same reason I don't debate if the earth is flat; its a waste of time. The reality is that, from the information we have, the Trump campaign irrefutably colluded with Russian oligarchs and officials with direct ties to Putin. The extent to which trump was involved, and the severity of just how legal or not it was, is what is up for debate, but the fact that he colluded and conspired is not. So frankly, we have nothing to debate; if you want to tell me he did nothing wrong, you are as delusional as someone telling me the earth is flat.
Now, if you want to debate that what he did wrong wasn't "bad" then there is plenty of room for debate there, it's just not a debate I'm interested in because that is still in the air.
And yes, I do trust what I am told because there is not one source more qualified than the Special Investigator and the Trump campaigns own admissions to provide information on the subject. If you are "investigating it yourself", you either have some hella contacts or you mistake random blogs for reality.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
I have no interest in debating you for the same reason I don't debate if the earth is flat; its a waste of time. The reality is that, from the information we have, the Trump campaign irrefutably colluded with Russian oligarchs and officials with direct ties to Putin. The extent to which trump was involved, and the severity of just how legal or not it was, is what is up for debate, but the fact that he colluded and conspired is not. So frankly, we have nothing to debate; if you want to tell me he did nothing wrong, you are as delusional as someone telling me the earth is flat.
Your claims don't carry much weight when you admit you won't even debate their truthfullness.
The fact is the Russia narrative is 100% fabrication. What really happened was Podesta fell for a phishing scam, which exposed a ton of emails, which exposed a ton of corruption by the democrats, which lost them a ton of votes. That's it.
Well, I'm glad that's all cleared up!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
Debate is scary for people who believe their narrative will be shattered with it.
I am deathly afraid you will shatter my narrative. The last time that happened it took ages to glue my narrative back. These days, challenges like yours mean very little.
QuoteThe fact is the Russia narrative is 100% fabrication.
So even against the Trumps campaigns admission to first meeting with one Russian, then more and more as evidence came out, and firing of its own staff for ties to Russia after they were exposed, the Russia link is, "100% fabrication"'.
That turtle with the world on its back has a bridge it would like to sell you.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 11:01:57 PM
So even against the Trumps campaigns admission to first meeting with one Russian, then more and more as evidence came out, and firing of its own staff for ties to Russia after they were exposed, the Russia link is, "100% fabrication"'.
That turtle with the world on its back has a bridge it would like to sell you.
Trump followers are like theists--reasoning, thinking and facts don't seem to matter.
Mueller only has 17 of the best financial lawyers in the U.S. investigating Trump campaign because nothing is there to see. Ya right. There is nothing yet on Trump but Mueller is about to indict Manefort. Oh and Jered Kushner got caught in an email scandal which occured at the same time as the Clinton email scandal.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 05:34:51 PM
The question wasn't "What have the republicans done?" It was "What has TRUMP done?"
Your entire post, then, is irrelevant.
None of these are Trump's. That was pretty clearly stated throughout. So no, he hasn't done these.
Try reading for comprehension next time.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 01:17:11 PM
Yeah, I'm sure.
You should be ... The Eye on top of the pyramid ... you Pharaoh's sorcerer, you.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 04:34:43 PM
The evidence is not in your favour. Forget religion, defending trump requires some true delusion. Religion is at least intangible, but we can empirically prove that Donald is a complete and utter failure of a president, and within his first year has already secured a legacy of being one of the worst presidents we have ever had.
I get how embarrassing that must be to admit, but digging a hole deeper and deeper won't help you escape that shame.
Yes, in some ways, I would have preferred the resurrection of the corpse of Millard Fillmore. But you have to admit he isn't boring, right?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
I'll leave the debates to Mueller. He and his investigation is more important than my opinion, and he has allot more evidence than we do.
Manafort looks quite dirty (very Nixonian) ... but we never prosecute Democrats. Manafort isn't President. So wish they would fire on Ft Sumter again, but it is so hard to hit that from Berkeley CA. All negatives about Democrats are "fake news".
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 06:02:03 PM
If you thought your narrative was an accurate description of reality, you'd be able to prove it by using the demonstrable truth's of objective reality.
But you aren't sure if you're right or not. You just believe what people who you trust have told you to. You've never looked into these things yourself. And all this would be fine - IF you weren't telling people who have looked into it, and who have formed convictions about it, that they're wrong. If you're going to tell me I'm wrong, debate me or stfu.
Debate is scary for people who believe their narrative will be shattered with it.
Neither of you were in the same bathroom as Trump/Putin or Clinton/Huma ... so y'all know nothing.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 26, 2017, 06:20:14 PM
Your claims don't carry much weight when you admit you won't even debate their truthfullness.
The fact is the Russia narrative is 100% fabrication. What really happened was Podesta fell for a phishing scam, which exposed a ton of emails, which exposed a ton of corruption by the democrats, which lost them a ton of votes. That's it.
That and a whole lot of other stupidity. The Ds simply out-stupider the Rs this time around. The real secret is they are totally incompetent, except when it comes to corruption. We need an Augustus Caesar to end this ...
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
I am deathly afraid you will shatter my narrative. The last time that happened it took ages to glue my narrative back. These days, challenges like yours mean very little.
How many of you get your narrative from the DNC, how many from the RNC? Don't y'all feel dirty?
Quote from: Shiranu on September 26, 2017, 11:01:57 PM
So even against the Trumps campaigns admission to first meeting with one Russian, then more and more as evidence came out, and firing of its own staff for ties to Russia after they were exposed, the Russia link is, "100% fabrication"'.
That turtle with the world on its back has a bridge it would like to sell you.
Russians exist. Both parties have relationships with the largest and best governed country on Earth. They weren't always well governed, but compared to the US, Kazakhstan is well governed. And both parties cut deals with foreigners ... didn't even start with Nixon in 68 or Reagan in 80. Corruption is what we do. You puritan ladies can clutch your peals all you want, but it won't change a thing.
Quote from: trdsf on September 26, 2017, 11:37:06 PM
None of these are Trump's. That was pretty clearly stated throughout. So no, he hasn't done these.
Try reading for comprehension next time.
And Obama-care wasn't really by Obama, it was by the 2010 Congress. The President isn't a god, no matter what you R or D fans think. Congress is where the action is always at, and the corruption too.
boring might be a nice change from Trump... a little more Gerald Ford please
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 11:50:39 PM
they would fire on Ft Sumter again, but it is so hard to hit that from Berkeley CA.
They would have to borrow that big gun Saddam was building in Iraq; after they get a noise pollution permit. (last time they fired a cannon for 4th of July at the fort in San Pedro they shattered a lot of windows in the downtown. => no more cannon firing)
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 11:44:44 PM
You should be ... The Eye on top of the pyramid ... you Pharaoh's sorcerer, you.
Damn! And here I thought I had hidden that about me quite well! Crap! Can't get anything past you, can I Baruch???!
Hey, at least Chump's pick for the Alabama senate seat got voted down. But that means Roy Moore is in - and that likely won't be a good thing.
Quote from: trdsf on September 26, 2017, 11:37:06 PM
None of these are Trump's. That was pretty clearly stated throughout. So no, he hasn't done these.
Try reading for comprehension next time.
"Policy: a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual."
Trump signed the bill, turning it into policy. He may not have created the bill, but it is his policy if he signed it into legislation. He agrees with it; he supports it; it's his policy.
This isn't about reading comprehension. This is about you playing mental gymnastics as hard as you can hold both the position that a bill is good, and also the position that the president who made the very same bill into legislation didn't do good. This rhetoric is self-evidently ridiculous to anyone who isn't already in your camp. You're not convincing anyone.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2017, 11:10:59 PM
Trump followers are like theists--reasoning, thinking and facts don't seem to matter.
Anyone who supports a politician 100% - who thinks that they can do no wrong - is like a theist.
It's ironic though that you refuse to have a debate about your beliefs, but in the same breath contend that your political opponents don't care for reason and facts.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2017, 11:47:14 AM
Anyone who supports a politician 100% - who thinks that they can do no wrong - is like a theist.
It's ironic though that you refuse to have a debate about your beliefs, but in the same breath contend that your political opponents don't care for reason and facts.
Oh, the irony of it all!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2017, 11:43:32 AM
"Policy: a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by a government, party, business, or individual."
Trump signed the bill, turning it into policy. He may not have created the bill, but it is his policy if he signed it into legislation. He agrees with it; he supports it; it's his policy.
This isn't about reading comprehension. This is about you playing mental gymnastics as hard as you can hold both the position that a bill is good, and also the position that the president who made the very same bill into legislation didn't do good. This rhetoric is self-evidently ridiculous to anyone who isn't already in your camp. You're not convincing anyone.
No, *you* were asked for examples of what Trump has done. You failed to produce anything other than four actions that pre-dated his time in office, and had such broad bipartisan support that even he couldn't fail to sign off on it -- these were in no way Trump proposals, these were things that were already in the pipeline before he took office. The one of those five that he *did* campaign on, I do not agree is a positive policy to have either put forward or supported.
The question stands, what has he *done*? Not what has he tacked himself onto, what has he himself put forward and he himself *done* that's any damn good for this country?
And whether I convince you or not is of no relevance to me. That you can support this man with such a fundamentalist fervor is sufficient for me to question your ability to reason at all.
Quote from: trdsf on September 27, 2017, 12:44:39 PM
No, *you* were asked for examples of what Trump has done. You failed to produce anything other than four actions that pre-dated his time in office, and had such broad bipartisan support that even he couldn't fail to sign off on it -- these were in no way Trump proposals, these were things that were already in the pipeline before he took office. The one of those five that he *did* campaign on, I do not agree is a positive policy to have either put forward or supported.
The question stands, what has he *done*? Not what has he tacked himself onto, what has he himself put forward and he himself *done* that's any damn good for this country?
And whether I convince you or not is of no relevance to me. That you can support this man with such a fundamentalist fervor is sufficient for me to question your ability to reason at all.
You're contending that signing something into legislation is not an action. That's it's not 'doing' a thing. Like I said, your rhetoric is self-evidently absurd to anyone who isn't already firmly in your camp.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
You're contending that signing something into legislation is not an action. That's it's not 'doing' a thing. Like I said, your rhetoric is self-evidently absurd to anyone who isn't already firmly in your camp.
Coward. At least admit you have nothing. Don't try to make this my problem when you're the one dodging a simple question.
Quote from: trdsf on September 27, 2017, 12:54:56 PM
Coward. At least admit you have nothing. Don't try to make this my problem when you're the one dodging a simple question.
Dodging a question? I've answered the question. You refuse to accept it on the grounds that signing bills are not a 'doing'; that they're not an action.
Creating legislation is the only tangible way for a president to 'do', as a president. And you are so entrenched in your tribalistic thinking that you've convinced yourself of the absurd position that creating legislation is not an acceptable answer to the question, "what has ___ president done" all because the president isn't on your team.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2017, 01:00:49 PM
Dodging a question? I've answered the question. You refuse to accept it on the grounds that signing bills are not a 'doing'; that they're not an action.
Creating legislation is the only tangible way for a president to 'do', as a president. And you are so entrenched in your tribalistic thinking that you've convinced yourself of the absurd position that creating legislation is not an acceptable answer to the question, "what has ___ president done" all because the president isn't on your team.
And he created none of those, with the exception of the repeal of environmental protections. You're still dodging. Unless you're saying you wanted Trump to continue Obama's policies -- which I suspect is not the case.
I stand by coward. You've got nothing, you know you've got nothing, and you haven't got the intellectual honesty to admit you've got nothing. You're reduced to ridiculous and pathetic flailing. Name something TRUMP HAS
DONE. Not Obama-era legislation he signed off on, what has *he* introduced. What has *he* promulgated.
Although frankly, the less that blithering idiot does while he infests the White House, the happier I will be.
Presidents do nothing, they are the false flag of false flags. You are all fooled.
Quote from: trdsf on September 27, 2017, 01:18:35 PM
And he created none of those, with the exception of the repeal of environmental protections. You're still dodging.
You're moving the goalposts. I'm not contending that he created the bills. You're arguing against nobody.
QuoteUnless you're saying you wanted Trump to continue Obama's policies -- which I suspect is not the case.
Why would you suspect that? I don't play teams. That's your prerogative. You're projecting. It doesn't matter where the bill came from.
You're equivocating here. That's all this is. You're trying to bury the absurdity of your position. Allow me to get rid of the mess:
The conversation is exactly this thus far:
CL: "What good has trump done."
Me: "He signed these bills into legislation, making good legislation"
Your absurd bullshit: "Signing bills and creating legislation isn't a 'thing'; it's not an action unless he himself created the bills."
The fact is you have created a self-evidently absurd position, and you've double-downed on it after it was exposed for exactly what it was - absurd. You've been compromised by tribalistic thinking, which is evident by you trying to bridge the difference in opinion here by suggesting that I would have to concede that Obama has created good bills if I also contend that they are good when Trump turned them into policy - and that I wouldn't want to do that. When in reality that is exactly what I am contending, and have never hinted otherwise. Again, I don't play teams; that's your prerogative and you're projecting.
No, the fact is you cannot answer the simple question. You dishonestly latch on to things he had nothing to do with other than scribbling his name on. You hide behind a patently unreasonable definition of policymaking. You do everything you can to obscure the fact that you have not and cannot answer the question put.
You know you can't, because the litany of actual Trump actions is a disgrace to civilization. What has he actually done? Let's see... providing cover for Nazi murderers in the streets of Charlottesville, pardoning a bigoted sheriff, threatening nuclear war with the only head of state that might be less sane than he himself?
Yeah, I can see why you don't want to answer.
Thanks for playing. We're done here.
Quote from: trdsf on September 27, 2017, 01:54:27 PM
No, the fact is you cannot answer the simple question. You dishonestly latch on to things he had nothing to do with other than scribbling his name on. You hide behind a patently unreasonable definition of policymaking. You do everything you can to obscure the fact that you have not and cannot answer the question put.
Right. That's all fine, though. Since this is a discussion board, and everything is recorded in text, one can see that I did in fact answer the question. many times - precisely because your absurd position called for it to be answered many times. Here, I'll answer it again:
The question:"Can you share anything positive Trump has done?"
My answer: He's signed these bills into legislation:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/321
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/255
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-joint-resolution/38
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/657
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1094
QuoteYou hide behind a patently unreasonable definition of policymaking
Strawman. There has been 0 debate about what constitutes policymaking. You introduced that argument against yourself and have been going at it with yourself for a whole page now. You're equivocating. Again.
The conversation has only been:
CL: What good has trump done?
Me: Here's some good bills he's signed into policy.
You: Nope, signing bills isn't an action.
No wonder you are equivocating. You cannot defend this position. And after this you'll just attempt to bury it again with equivocation, no doubt.
Quotebecause the litany of actual Trump actions is a disgrace to civilization. What has he actually done? Let's see... providing cover for Nazi murderers in the streets of Charlottesville, pardoning a bigoted sheriff, threatening nuclear war with the only head of state that might be less sane than he himself?
Damn you're really convincing everyone that you're not severely compromised by your in-group bias. I mean it's not like any of that was your groups base-level party line agenda.
QuoteWe're done here.
Good. Fuck off; you're dishonest as all hell.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 27, 2017, 11:33:14 AM
Hey, at least Chump's pick for the Alabama senate seat got voted down. But that means Roy Moore is in - and that likely won't be a good thing.
And he's trying to pretend he didn't back Strange (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41417279).
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 27, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
You're contending that signing something into legislation is not an action. That's it's not 'doing' a thing.
No more than a showboat that runs to the front of the parade to act like he is leading it, is action.
No the
president signing legislation is not a significant action because 10 days after a bill is put on the president's desk; not counting Sundays or holidays; the bill becomes law with or with out the president's signature.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 27, 2017, 11:33:14 AM
Hey, at least Chump's pick for the Alabama senate seat got voted down. But that means Roy Moore is in - and that likely won't be a good thing.
The violent Left will create the violent Right they fear. Be careful what you ask for, given the law of unintended consequences. Liberal = give me a unicorn that shoots a rainbow of Skittles out its ass, or I will blow up the USA (so much like Rocketboy our own communists are).
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2017, 01:37:28 PM
Presidents do nothing, they are the false flag of false flags. You are all fooled.
All the Republicans need or want in a president is someone who can sign their name. Aside from that, little matters to them.
QuoteI mean it's not like any of that was your groups base-level party line agenda.
Please, show me where Trumps defense of Neo Nazis and white supremacists wasn't bipartisanly condemned. Enlighten me to where pardoning a sheriff who uses work camps intended to torture prisoners is something only the left would care about (definition of terrible big government). Show me what countries in the world support his war rhetoric with the DKR.
I'm really trying, so let me just say this... you are constantly dismissive of anything we say, and resort to saying, "It's just cause you are on the left that you don't like him!" anytime legitimate grievances are brought up against him yet you expect us to debate you? Do you not see the inherent futility in a debate where at least one, if not both, sides are completely immovable in their positions?
The key difference is one side realises how absolutely horrible a person he is and thus focuses on the many, many, MANY horrible and often borderline illegal things he does and says, "We should not be represented by someone this horrible." The other thinks he could do nothing wrong, and his horrible, immature and often times extremely racist and sexist (amongst other ists) is not just acceptable but encouragable.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 27, 2017, 10:56:37 PM
All the Republicans need or want in a president is someone who can sign their name. Aside from that, little matters to them.
Republicans understand, even if they are malicious. Democrats are pathetic losers.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 12:53:37 PM
Clinton Foundation took $1 million donation from Qatar ... but that isn't treason ... they are Democrats!
Evidence please? What was the purpose and cause? The Clinton Foundation is not political, as you suggest.
"Because of our work, nearly 35,000 American schools have provided kids with healthy food choices in an effort to eradicate childhood obesity; more than 150,000 farmers in Malawi, Rwanda, and Tanzania are benefiting from climate-smart agronomic training, higher yields, and increased market access; working with partners, more than 8.5 million trees and tree seedlings have been planted to strengthen ecosystems and livelihoods; over 600,000 people have been impacted through market opportunities created by social enterprises and health and wellbeing programs in Latin America, the Caribbean, Asia, and Africa; through the independent Clinton Health Access Initiative, over 11.5 million people in more than 70 countries have access to CHAI-negotiated prices for HIV/AIDS medications; an estimated 85 million people in the U.S. will be reached through strategic health partnerships developed across industry sectors at both the local and national level; and members of the Clinton Global Initiative community have made more than 3,600 Commitments to Action, which have improved the lives of over 435 million people in more than 180 countries.
Conflating political names with social causes is not a meaningful attack.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 12:46:31 AM
Evidence please? What was the purpose and cause? The Clinton Foundation is not political, as you suggest.
"Because of our work, nearly 35,000 American schools have provided kids with healthy food choices in an effort to eradicate childhood obesity; more than 150,000 farmers in Malawi, Rwanda, and Tanzania are benefiting from climate-smart agronomic training, higher yields, and increased market access; working with partners, more than 8.5 million trees and tree seedlings have been planted to strengthen ecosystems and livelihoods; over 600,000 people have been impacted through market opportunities created by social enterprises and health and wellbeing programs in Latin America, the Caribbean, Asia, and Africa; through the independent Clinton Health Access Initiative, over 11.5 million people in more than 70 countries have access to CHAI-negotiated prices for HIV/AIDS medications; an estimated 85 million people in the U.S. will be reached through strategic health partnerships developed across industry sectors at both the local and national level; and members of the Clinton Global Initiative community have made more than 3,600 Commitments to Action, which have improved the lives of over 435 million people in more than 180 countries.
Conflating political names with social causes is not a meaningful attack.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation/clintons-charity-confirms-qatars-1-million-gift-while-she-was-at-state-dept-idUSKBN12Z2SL
Is that you Chelsea?
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:18:16 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-foundation/clintons-charity-confirms-qatars-1-million-gift-while-she-was-at-state-dept-idUSKBN12Z2SL
Is that you Chelsea?
Don't give a link without saying why it should be visited.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 07:19:49 AM
Don't give a link without saying why it should be visited.
You said the bribe never happened? So fake news? Or it wasn't a bribe? If a R-critter had done that, the Ds would have his head on a platter, and for good reason.
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
You said the bribe never happened? So fake news? Or it wasn't a bribe? If a R-critter had done that, the Ds would have his head on a platter, and for good reason.
Um, I think you might have answered the wrong comment. Or I'm confused.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 27, 2017, 11:12:14 PM
Please, show me where Trumps defense of Neo Nazis and white supremacists wasn't bipartisanly condemned.
No, YOU show ME where trump defends white supremacy and national socialism.
QuoteThe key difference is one side realises how absolutely horrible a person he is and thus focuses on the many, many, MANY horrible and often borderline illegal things he does and says, "We should not be represented by someone this horrible." The other thinks he could do nothing wrong, and his horrible, immature and often times extremely racist and sexist (amongst other ists) is not just acceptable but encouragable.
What you're not seeing here is all the claims you just levied against him are inherently subjective. He's not on your team, so of course everything he does is 'horrible', 'sexist', and 'racist.'
I discuss tangible things. When it comes to politics, tangible things come in the form of policies. I'm not going to sit here and entertain your subjective interpretation of politicians characters.
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Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 04:18:28 PM
No, YOU show ME where trump defends white supremacy and national socialism.
What you're not seeing here is all the claims you just levied against him are inherently subjective. He's not on your team, so of course everything he does is 'horrible', 'sexist', and 'racist.'
I discuss tangible things. When it comes to politics, tangible things come in the form of policies. I'm not going to sit here and entertain your subjective interpretation of politicians characters.
"President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,†?
Your denial is kind of scary.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:28:39 PM
"President Trump defended the white nationalists who protested in Charlottesville on Tuesday, saying they included “some very fine people,†?
Your denial is kind of scary.
You are lying out your ass.
He did not say that white supremacists consists of some very fine people. He said that not everybody who were at the chorlottesville protests were white supremacists and neo nazi's (which is a fact - they weren't.) Immediately following that he added that there were "some very fine people on both sides."
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
You are lying out your ass.
He did not say that white supremacists consists of some very fine people. He said that not everybody who were at the chorlottesville protests were white supremacists and neo nazi's (which is a fact - they weren't.) Immediately following that he added that there were "some very fine people on both sides."
In B & W world that isn't PC. The proper response would have gone on one of those human hunting billionaire hunts, where skinheads are what's for supper.
Personally I think he was wrong. They were stupid, on both sides. Stay away from demonstrations.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 08:04:07 PM
You are lying out your ass.
He did not say that white supremacists consists of some very fine people. He said that not everybody who were at the chorlottesville protests were white supremacists and neo nazi's (which is a fact - they weren't.) Immediately following that he added that there were "some very fine people on both sides."
Your right, they were good people who just happened to join Neo Nazis and white supremacists in protesting.
You know, just normal good people things. You see a Nazi protesting, and you just can't help but jump in, it's the right thing to do. And I mean... they were protesting the removal of statues honouring people who fought and died to protect slavery and tear the United States apart. Any good person would clearly take a stand against that.
Hands down, you are the most full of shit person I have ever met here, and that is saying a lot.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 28, 2017, 11:02:59 PMHands down, you are the most full of shit person I have ever met here, and that is saying a lot.
You say, immediately following a sarcastic paraphrase you constructed, instead of actually addressing what I said.
Bravo. Max level irony achieved.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 11:11:01 PM
You say, immediately following a sarcastic paraphrase you constructed, instead of actually addressing what I said.
Bravo. Max level irony achieved.
Oh, the irony--the irony!
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 11:11:01 PM
You say, immediately following a sarcastic paraphrase you constructed, instead of actually addressing what I said.
Bravo. Max level irony achieved.
Except that sarcasm literally addressed what I quoted from you. You are saying good people joined the Nazis in protesting the removal of honouring racism and slavery, I contended that good people don't see Nazis and Klansmen protesting and say, "Well golly gee, I better join them fine people!"'.
Get your head out of your ass.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 28, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
Except that sarcasm literally addressed what I quoted from you. You are saying good people joined the Nazis in protesting the removal of honouring racism and slavery,
Blatant lie. I just dispelled a lie which claimed TRUMP said something he didn't. Refuting a lie about someone else and replacing it with what they actually said isn't the same as me agreeing with what they actually said.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 29, 2017, 12:10:04 AM
Blatant lie. I just dispelled a lie which claimed TRUMP said something he didn't. Refuting a lie about someone else and replacing it with what they actually said isn't the same as me agreeing with what they actually said.
Well, being a Trumpie, you are well versed in lying; your fearless leader can't go a day with uttering a few. Apparently you down them all, hook, line and sinker.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 29, 2017, 12:16:02 AM
Well, being a Trumpie, you are well versed in lying; your fearless leader can't go a day with uttering a few. Apparently you down them all, hook, line and sinker.
Right.
Look, add something relevant to the conversation for once. People like you are exactly why I insist on taking debate to 1 on 1. You clutter the boards up with irrelevant garbage which is just virtue signaling to the majority, "Hey, everybody, I don't agree with this minority opinion - now, I can't refute it, but I still want you guys to know I don't like it!"
You are an anti-intellectual.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 28, 2017, 04:18:28 PM
show ME where trump defends white supremacy and national socialism.
When Trump said there were good people on both sides.
When Trump goes on the stump and says everybody should be kissin the asses of the police after they have been murdering black people in cold-blood.
just to start....
Quote from: fencerider on September 29, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
When Trump said there were good people on both sides.
Read the last 8 posts.
QuoteWhen Trump goes on the stump and says everybody should be kissin the asses of the police after they have been murdering black people in cold-blood.
You're gonna' have to offer up something tangible. I don't accept paraphrases, and I damn-sure don't accept blatantly slanted misrepresentations. What has Trump ACTUALLY said - and cite the exact quote - that you take issue with, regarding police officers.
Most police officers are good people; Some are good people who, despite being good, shouldn't have the job on the basis that they don't deal with fucked up situations well; and finally, some are bad people.
Quote from: Shiranu on September 28, 2017, 11:50:51 PM
Except that sarcasm literally addressed what I quoted from you. You are saying good people joined the Nazis in protesting the removal of honouring racism and slavery, I contended that good people don't see Nazis and Klansmen protesting and say, "Well golly gee, I better join them fine people!"'.
Get your head out of your ass.
To be a puritan, you will have to destroy the US ... and every other country. They all suck ... what planet will you escape to?
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 29, 2017, 12:32:33 AM
Read the last 8 posts.
You're gonna' have to offer up something tangible. I don't accept paraphrases, and I damn-sure don't accept blatantly slanted misrepresentations. What has Trump ACTUALLY said - and cite the exact quote - that you take issue with, regarding police officers.
Most police officers are good people; Some are good people who, despite being good, shouldn't have the job on the basis that they don't deal with fucked up situations well; and finally, some are bad people.
I don't support Trump. If you want a 1-1 with me, I am game, at some available time (like pick a time Sat or Sun EST). Just actual quotes by real people, no virtue signaling, no projecting the anti-Christ on anyone. IM me. But can our clown-car associates wait until we are done, to comment? I doubt it.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 29, 2017, 12:20:33 AM
Right.
Look, add something relevant to the conversation for once. People like you are exactly why I insist on taking debate to 1 on 1. You clutter the boards up with irrelevant garbage which is just virtue signaling to the majority, "Hey, everybody, I don't agree with this minority opinion - now, I can't refute it, but I still want you guys to know I don't like it!"
You are an anti-intellectual.
Ya got me! Your intellect is just too much for my puny non-intellect. You trumpies just know what's up!
Yeah, I'll take Donald Trump's word on who is a, "good person". He has a great track record of having the slightest clue what a good person is.
Yeah, what a great guy. Definitely not bigoted, racist, or just a flat out asshole.
And yes, that is very much an ad hom because that is all Trump has ever really had to offer. When he actually gets into policy, "Oh... it's uh... it's a really complicated issue. Uhhhh... ummmmmmmm.... yeah. It's complicated. But we are great. We are the greatest. Mhmm. America! Muslims did it! Obama isn't American! E...EMAILS!!!"
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 29, 2017, 09:49:05 AM
Ya got me! Your intellect is just too much for my puny non-intellect. You trumpies just know what's up!
How is ad hominems intellectual for either of you?
And yes, Shiranu ... Trump is no gentleman. Obama was, though I didn't care for his policies.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 29, 2017, 09:49:05 AM
Ya got me! Your intellect is just too much for my puny non-intellect. You trumpies just know what's up!
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Quote from: Shiranu on September 29, 2017, 12:43:15 PM
Yeah, I'll take Donald Trump's word on who is a, "good person". He has a great track record of having the slightest clue what a good person is.
Yeah, what a great guy. Definitely not bigoted, racist, or just a flat out asshole.
And yes, that is very much an ad hom because that is all Trump has ever really had to offer. When he actually gets into policy, "Oh... it's uh... it's a really complicated issue. Uhhhh... ummmmmmmm.... yeah. It's complicated. But we are great. We are the greatest. Mhmm. America! Muslims did it! Obama isn't American! E...EMAILS!!!"
What really gets me is that this is just the tip of the tip of the ice berg. One needs to go back to his childhood to understand that he is disgusting creature from just about the beginning. He has not changed at all in that--he is still a disgusting creature. And he does not deny it and does not intend to change--ask him.
But, but ... NYC folk are the ultimate forms of sentience we are trying to evolve into ;-) You have to die, and be reincarnated as a NYC person. ;-))
Quote from: Shiranu on September 29, 2017, 12:43:15 PMYeah, what a great guy. Definitely not bigoted, racist, or just a flat out asshole.
Don't forget that he was a bigly Birther and advocated for murdering civilians and stealing oil (aka war crimes).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D8U0nOHy60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Iog4KMza6I
Lmao at Mr ridiculous
to add to all of the above, Senator Corker was on the short list to be Secretary of State. Someone leaked that the reason Trump decided not to choose him was because he was too short. Is he doing a casting call for his grand performance???
Quote from: Baruch on September 29, 2017, 12:59:31 PM
How is ad hominems intellectual for either of you?
And yes, Shiranu ... Trump is no gentleman. Obama was, though I didn't care for his policies.
I'll take a gentleman and a statesman fucking me over, over an asshole and a bigot really fucking me over. The gentleman at least gave me a handjob, the other guy just gave me herpies.
Quote from: Gilgamesh on September 29, 2017, 12:32:33 AM
Read the last 8 posts.
You're gonna' have to offer up something tangible. I don't accept paraphrases, and I damn-sure don't accept blatantly slanted misrepresentations. What has Trump ACTUALLY said - and cite the exact quote - that you take issue with, regarding police officers.
Most police officers are good people; Some are good people who, despite being good, shouldn't have the job on the basis that they don't deal with fucked up situations well; and finally, some are bad people.
I think you are missing the problem. Yes most police offers are good people. Always have been and always wills. Risking their lives daily for the good of all.
The problem is that some aren't, are arrogant, think they have "a 007 license to kill", and enjoy manhandling those they don't like.
The problem is also that, when some few are so obviously guilty of literal murder, they escape justice. That diminishes general respect for the police overall and makes others very legitimately fear them.
I'm an older white male and I am coming to fear the police. I can't tell which of the few are the crazy ones who will shoot first and plant a gun on my body later.
Having to fear the police is WRONG. This has to change or innocent citizens are going to start shooting first in self-defense. And it will get worse from there.
Make sure you understand that I think most police are good, well-intentioned and civic-minded. But DO understand that continued literal murders will change the relationship!
"I'm an older white male and I am coming to fear the police." ... you should! I fear my own driving and yours ;-( Little old men and ladies, who are protecting their home, are shot by police ... because they are bearing arms ... and they are partly deaf and blind, so can't obey "drop the gun". Had to deal with this, with my mother over the last 4 years before she passed on.
I agree, if you are not told "drop the gun" then maybe the cop over-reacted. But they react in milliseconds. Toy guns are realistic enough, and young punks are ... a target of prejudice. Maybe just keep the kids indoors until they are 21? I had a cap gun when I was little ... but I hope had I been confronted with a policeman ... he would think first and shoot later (if necessary).
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
"I'm an older white male and I am coming to fear the police." ... you should! I fear my own driving and yours ;-( Little old men and ladies, who are protecting their home, are shot by police ... because they are bearing arms ... and they are partly deaf and blind, so can't obey "drop the gun". Had to deal with this, with my mother over the last 4 years before she passed on.
I agree, if you are not told "drop the gun" then maybe the cop over-reacted. But they react in milliseconds. Toy guns are realistic enough, and young punks are ... a target of prejudice. Maybe just keep the kids indoors until they are 21? I had a cap gun when I was little ... but I hope had I been confronted with a policeman ... he would think first and shoot later (if necessary).
The majority of the "drop the gun" shootings had no gun involved except by the police.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 04, 2017, 04:08:21 AM
The majority of the "drop the gun" shootings had no gun involved except by the police.
I think we would make more peace, if anytime a cop did something that leads to a stupid fatality, the chief of police was executed. Gotta make the buck stop somewhere.
Quote from: Baruch on October 04, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
I think we would make more peace, if anytime a cop did something that leads to a stupid fatality, the chief of police was executed. Gotta make the buck stop somewhere.
True to form, you exaggerate a situation beyond discussion. Aren't you sometimes ashamed of yourself when you re-read your posts later? I mean, they make no sense and only disrupt reasonable discussion. Why do you do that?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 04:09:16 AM
True to form, you exaggerate a situation beyond discussion. Aren't you sometimes ashamed of yourself when you re-read your posts later? I mean, they make no sense and only disrupt reasonable discussion. Why do you do that?
Why are you such a kiss ass for authority? Well maybe you aren't, and maybe I am ;-) But if we executed the President (buck stops here) each time the Executive Branch screws up ... there would be fewer Presidential candidates next time ;-) It was Truman's suggestion. Perhaps he was the last President to take his office seriously. Basically, do the WH job well, or don't get re-elected. But that doesn't work in the 2nd term. And the voters are shit-stains. The OP was about how war-lording we are comparable to the Late Roman Republic. The Senators tried to deal with that, and failed. Not even the Mafia can deal with the Mafia.
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 05:40:12 PM
Why are you such a kiss ass for authority? Well maybe you aren't, and maybe I am ;-) But if we executed the President (buck stops here) each time the Executive Branch screws up ... there would be fewer Presidential candidates next time ;-) It was Truman's suggestion. Perhaps he was the last President to take his office seriously. Basically, do the WH job well, or don't get re-elected. But that doesn't work in the 2nd term. And the voters are shit-stains. The OP was about how war-lording we are comparable to the Late Roman Republic. The Senators tried to deal with that, and failed. Not even the Mafia can deal with the Mafia.
To quote Reagan "There you go again". And "Not even the Mafia can deal with the Mafia"? "And the voters are shit-stains"?
Do you read your own posts before sending them?
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 10:34:54 PM
To quote Reagan "There you go again". And "Not even the Mafia can deal with the Mafia"? "And the voters are shit-stains"?
Do you read your own posts before sending them?
Yes. But can ape men tell the difference? Didn't think so. Sorry, please consult with the St Ronnie consulting Nancy consulting her astrology ... for clarification.
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 10:40:08 PM
Yes. But can ape men tell the difference? Didn't think so. Sorry, please consult with the St Ronnie consulting Nancy consulting her astrology ... for clarification.
And again no answer. Actor Ronnie and Superstitious Nancy are not my role models.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 11:09:09 PM
And again no answer. Actor Ronnie and Superstitious Nancy are not my role models.
I said yes. Then continued ...
Can you read? Apparently no.
Quote from: Baruch on October 09, 2017, 10:29:31 AM
I said yes. Then continued ...
Can you read? Apparently no.
I noted the reference to Ron and Nancy, who were both idiot superstitionists.