Atheistforums.com

Humanities Section => Political/Government General Discussion => Topic started by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 08:24:44 AM

Title: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 08:24:44 AM
I was in a government building 2 blocks from The White House.  I heard on the radio that a plane had struck the WTC.  Weird accident, but I mentioned it to my Division Director because he was also in charge of emergency response. 

I felt the plane hit the Pentagon.  There was a "thump" up through the floor.  I didn't know what it was at the time.  I will forever remember that I was sitting on a toilet at 9:37 and felt it right up through the plumbing.  Well, I was where I was and no one else felt it.  I got out and asked about it.  No one else knew.  I doubt many other people not at the site detected the Pentagon explosion with their butt!

Then we saw the smoke rising.  We ran to the conference room where the emergency monitor was feeding govt pictures and saw the WTC horror.

When the 2nd one fell, most thought it was a replay of the first tragedy, but I realized and shouted it was the 2nd.  We were horrified

Most everyone simply left, fearing more attacks.  I saw the streets jammed with traffic and sat on the rooftop looking for the rumoured 4th plane.  If it was going to hit something near, I wanted to observe it. 

It didn't. thanks to brave actions by passengers.  But I sat and waited.  The drive home was quiet and easy.

I will never forgive and never forget.   
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 11, 2017, 08:42:10 AM
At Purdue. My office had a TV "for training" and football games. The boss came in the turned it on without speaking. A crowd gathered. When the second plane hit I said "And where were you the day the war started?"
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Munch on September 11, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
I was running an assault course at an outdoor activity grounds. Was a fun day, even got to get close to horses for the first time and pet them.
Then got home and was told what happened, spent the rest of the day glued to the TV in shock
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 09:52:20 AM
What everyone was doing at the time is fascinating...  Hope to hear more.  I am thinking about it deeply today.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
At work in the same military medical clinic I provide computer support in.  We used to have a big screen TV in the lobby for the patients.  Usually had Fox News on it ;-(  Heard a rumor so went out to the lobby to see what was going on.  Was watching the big screen TV when the second plane hit.  Seemed surreal.  Then I had to get back to work.  Been on elevated military alert for 16 years now.

Did not know about the Pentagon hit or the Pennsylvania crash until later that day.  Sometime that morning we went to highest alert, when all aircraft in N America were grounded.  Everyone was confined to the building until the end of the work shift at that alert level (defense, not offense).
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:10:28 PM
At work in the same military medical clinic I provide computer support in.  We used to have a big screen TV in the lobby for the patients.  Usually had Fox News on it ;-(  Heard a rumor so went out to the lobby to see what was going on.  Was watching the big screen TV when the second plane hit.  Seemed surreal.  Then I had to get back to work.  Been on elevated military alert for 16 years now.

Did not know about the Pentagon hit or the Pennsylvania crash until later that day.  Sometime that morning we went to highest alert, when all aircraft in N America were grounded.  Everyone was confined to the building until the end of he work shift at that alert level (defense, not offense).

You never fail to amaze me.    I just wish you weren't such a weird theist.  I could a dismiss a normal one.  It would be easier if we didn't have so much in common...
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: GrinningYMIR on September 11, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
I was at school, was young and didn't understand the gravity of what was happening yet
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on September 11, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
I was at school, was young and didn't understand the gravity of what was happening yet

That actually matters, too.  And that difference of experience counts.  I remember my parents talking about Pearl Harbor.  I understood it, but I didn't experience it.  Likewise, my youngest sister "understood" the JFK assassination but did not experience it.

There is a sense of "being there" that is never the same as learning about an event.  I hope you never have an event like those.  But you will, we just have no idea what it will be.  Some defining "I experienced that" moment. 

Thank you for the perspective.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: _Xenu_ on September 11, 2017, 02:28:33 PM
9/11 happened while I was sleeping. I got up, stopped by my bank to make a withdrawel like any other day, and I could tell the cashier was a bit off for some reason. I drove to Quick Trip to get my morning paper, and there was a guy bringing stacks of special edition papers that said America At War. I thought oh shit, we are at war with the Chinese.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
We've always been at war with East Asia...
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 11, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
We've always been at war with East Asia...
We've always been at war with Oceania.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:42:01 PM
I was minding my own business when I was told about it. I didn't believe it at first, since the guy who told me was known for the pulling of legs. But I turned on the TV and it was all over the place.

I still don't think we've been told the truth about what really happened. But I don't usually tell that to people, lest they think I'm an aluminum-foil-wearing Alex Jones fan. The only reason he talks about it is that everyone knows he's full of shit, so it's easier to discount the whole thing.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: _Xenu_ on September 11, 2017, 02:28:33 PM
9/11 happened while I was sleeping. I got up, stopped by my bank to make a withdrawel like any other day, and I could tell the cashier was a bit off for some reason. I drove to Quick Trip to get my morning paper, and there was a guy bringing stacks of special edition papers that said America At War. I thought oh shit, we are at war with the Chinese.

Events happen when you least expect them. 

I went home that day and thought "I really need to find a way to remember this date.  911 did not originally occur to me.  I kept trying "September" something. 

Then, DUH!  I

f I may be allowed some humor...  I bet that never occurred to Bin Laden ...
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Just came across this:

Fox host compares 9/11 memorial to Confederate monuments (http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/media/fox-and-friends-911-memorial-confederate-statues/index.html)


Quote from: Secretary Ryan ZinkeSince we don't put up statues of Jesus, everyone is going to fall morally short.

Yeah, except him...
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 11, 2017, 04:56:11 PM
I was in 7th grade middle school in my home room. The announcement came on stating what happened, followed by a few names being called to leave class to go home. I live near NYC and a lot of people commute to The City. A few of my fellow classmates lost parents that day.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 05:02:44 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 04:48:10 PM
Just came across this:

Fox host compares 9/11 memorial to Confederate monuments (http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/media/fox-and-friends-911-memorial-confederate-statues/index.html)


Yeah, except him...

GAG!
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: chill98 on September 11, 2017, 06:54:55 PM
I worked for the state in the same office as my mom.  We started early so it was just us, and I was listening to the radio. They announced a plane had hit and no one knew nothing.  I popped up CNN on my pc and wandered into my mom's office and told her.  Without looking up, she said "its a terrorist attack".  I was like, You don't know that...

She said "planes dont hit buildings, it had to be with intent".  I blew her off as being over imaginative.  As co-workers came in, each asked "had we heard what happened?"  Someone dragged a tv out of their office and set it up in the break room.  Each time someone called into the office, they would ask if we had heard. 

The second plane hit and it was over.  Terrorist attack beyond a doubt.  Then when we went out for 1st break, in the smoking area were all these feds, probably 6 of them, in street clothes, and they stood out from the usual crowd.    And that was a sobering moment in itself.  Of course there were feds in our building.  The USA was under attack and no one knew how many plans were being implemented and this building had many state offices.

Over the next few days I felt some guilt as I enjoyed the quiet skies.  The eerie silence of no planes flying around.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: aitm on September 11, 2017, 08:11:04 PM
I was in a Dr room preparing for what I thought would be a rather scary finding. Instead I watched the first crash, then the nurse walked in and said matter of factly, "yeah, you're pretty fucked up"....to be fair to her, I had already said in the same words that I was probably fucked up because of ..and...and...and...

Long and short I had/have a thyroid problem..none-the-less before I left the office I knew what we "thought" had happened. And less than one hour later in Lubbock Texas the streets were full of trucks with flags waving and guns sticking out the windows and sometimes a half dozen guys or gals in the backs with assorted weapons. Luckily the police decided to let it ride or we could have had an entire town self destruct in a half day.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 11, 2017, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 08:24:44 AM
I was in a government building 2 blocks from The White House.  I heard on the radio that a plane had struck the WTC.  Weird accident, but I mentioned it to my Division Director because he was also in charge of emergency response. 

I felt the plane hit the Pentagon.  There was a "thump" up through the floor.  I didn't know what it was at the time.  I will forever remember that I was sitting on a toilet at 9:37 and felt it right up through the plumbing.  Well, I was where I was and no one else felt it.  I got out and asked about it.  No one else knew.  I doubt many other people not at the site detected the Pentagon explosion with their butt!

Then we saw the smoke rising.  We ran to the conference room where the emergency monitor was feeding govt pictures and saw the WTC horror.

When the 2nd one fell, most thought it was a replay of the first tragedy, but I realized and shouted it was the 2nd.  We were horrified

Most everyone simply left, fearing more attacks.  I saw the streets jammed with traffic and sat on the rooftop looking for the rumoured 4th plane.  If it was going to hit something near, I wanted to observe it. 

It didn't. thanks to brave actions by passengers.  But I sat and waited.  The drive home was quiet and easy.

I will never forgive and never forget.   
Who is it you will never forgive?
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 11, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
I was walking my dogs about 5:30 am, when a neighbor stopped me and said an airplane had hit a building.  I said, 'okay' and finished my walk.  Took a shower and went to work.  When I got to work, it was on a TV at the guards station (juvenile hall) and the second one had hit.  Watched for a bit and then went to my classroom.  I was concerned but I had little to no details.  War entered my thoughts.  Did not have a TV in the classrooms, so had few details until I went home. 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 12:20:48 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 01:51:49 PM
You never fail to amaze me.    I just wish you weren't such a weird theist.  I could a dismiss a normal one.  It would be easier if we didn't have so much in common...

I get into your head ... thank the dentist who put radio receivers in your fillings ;-)
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 12:22:42 AM
Quote from: _Xenu_ on September 11, 2017, 02:28:33 PM
9/11 happened while I was sleeping. I got up, stopped by my bank to make a withdrawel like any other day, and I could tell the cashier was a bit off for some reason. I drove to Quick Trip to get my morning paper, and there was a guy bringing stacks of special edition papers that said America At War. I thought oh shit, we are at war with the Chinese.

We are ... America whores and wars with everyone ;-(
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 03:49:44 PM
Events happen when you least expect them. 

I went home that day and thought "I really need to find a way to remember this date.  911 did not originally occur to me.  I kept trying "September" something. 

Then, DUH!  I

f I may be allowed some humor...  I bet that never occurred to Bin Laden ...

That was the anniversary of the building of the Pentagon in 1941.  The bastard knew ;-(
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 12:59:11 AM
Anyone knows what happened on 9/11/1683?  (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Vienna)

Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 07:00:45 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 12:59:11 AM
Anyone knows what happened on 9/11/1683?  (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Vienna)

Puts up hand ... wasn't that when the croissant was invented?  I messed up on Sunday night.  Was telling that story to friends while eating almond croissants at Starbucks ... and thought it was 1688.  Clever people not only know history, they deliberately reprise it.  Hitler loved to do bad things on Jewish holidays.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 12, 2017, 08:11:35 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 12:59:11 AM
Anyone knows what happened on 9/11/1683?  (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Vienna)


Battle of Vienna.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Sal1981 on September 12, 2017, 08:23:07 AM
Drove home from Gymnasium and was told, paraphrasingly, "A plane hit a skyscraper in New York!" in the car radio. I watched BBC World News for like 3 hours after I got home.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: trdsf on September 12, 2017, 03:29:27 PM
Driving to Tim Hortons for a morning coffee and donut -- I was between jobs at the time.  I tuned in Morning Edition; the first plane had only just hit and my thought was "Wow, what a terrible accident" and gave it no further thought.  There was no thought at the time that it was anything more than that, just a terrible accident, like when the Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 in 1945.  Scooted back home, we were expecting the cable installer that day, so I watched snowy coverage from just after the second plane hit.

Being a good Wiccan at the time, I cast a protective circle and tried to gather my by-then rattled wits.  My then-partner came home from work about then; he worked for the state and they sent all the state employees home as it became clear this was more than an accident.  And around about then the cable guy came and hooked us up and we spent the rest of the day as transfixed as anyone else that day.

It was an awful week for him; his brother worked for the federal government, his office was near the Pentagon, and he often was in the Pentagon.  He couldn't get a message out that he was okay until three days later; he had witnessed the Pentagon impact and their department went straight to work -- he was either DoJ or State, I forget which.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 03:30:18 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 11, 2017, 08:20:08 PM
Who is it you will never forgive?

A longer list than you might think.  Al Queda for planning it, the Taliban for supporting it, the Saudis for tolerating the types of people who conducted it, and many Arabic states who generally supported the idea. 

I consider a large number of Islamists terrorists by religion and nature.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 03:30:18 AM
A longer list than you might think.  Al Queda for planning it, the Taliban for supporting it, the Saudis for tolerating the types of people who conducted it, and many Arabic states who generally supported the idea. 

I consider a large number of Islamists terrorists by religion and nature.
I can't forgive Bush for hiring his entire administration--he is basically a criminal.  And the American people for falling, hook, line and sinker for the fear mongering that Bush used to get his way.  I am so FUCKING SICK and TIRED of hearing people saying 'aren't you afraid?'  My answer--NO, I'm not fucking afraid, I'm pissed.  Get the fuckers who did this--Saudi's--not some other oil rich country. 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 09:55:25 AM
I can't forgive Bush for hiring his entire administration--he is basically a criminal.  And the American people for falling, hook, line and sinker for the fear mongering that Bush used to get his way.  I am so FUCKING SICK and TIRED of hearing people saying 'aren't you afraid?'  My answer--NO, I'm not fucking afraid, I'm pissed.  Get the fuckers who did this--Saudi's--not some other oil rich country.

We always knew Bin Laden was a Saudi.  But The Taliban were the ones giving him shelter and training.  That matters too!
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
We always knew Bin Laden was a Saudi.  But The Taliban were the ones giving him shelter and training.  That matters too!
Yes, it does.  So why did Bush call off killing Bin Laden--especially when he had him cornered early on????
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 11:38:03 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Yes, it does.  So why did Bush call off killing Bin Laden--especially when he had him cornered early on????

You're asking ME?  I'd have blown him into cat food at the first chance.  My guess is that you don't have real proof Bush could have though. 

You mean Tora Bora (or whatever that cave-studded place was)? 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: trdsf on September 14, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Yes, it does.  So why did Bush call off killing Bin Laden--especially when he had him cornered early on????
For exactly the same reason that no matter the efforts of Big Brother in Nineteen Eighty Four, no one ever could stop Emmanuel Goldstein.  He needed the bogey man alive to keep using as a focus for fearmongering.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 12:53:19 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 14, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
For exactly the same reason that no matter the efforts of Big Brother in Nineteen Eighty Four, no one ever could stop Emmanuel Goldstein.  He needed the bogey man alive to keep using as a focus for fearmongering.

Good one.  There is no chance I would have remembered HIS name!  The reference is GREAT though!
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 11:38:03 AM
You're asking ME?  I'd have blown him into cat food at the first chance.  My guess is that you don't have real proof Bush could have though. 

You mean Tora Bora (or whatever that cave-studded place was)?
Yeah, he had the guy cornered.  Then when he got away, Bushie said --'Ah, doesn't matter.'
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
We always knew Bin Laden was a Saudi.  But The Taliban were the ones giving him shelter and training.  That matters too!

Bin Laden passed himself off as a holy man, to the Taliban.  Same as their leader, Muhammad Omar (who claimed to be the Mahdi).  People in Central Asia are prone to that kind of enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:24:31 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:20:25 AM
We always knew Bin Laden was a Saudi.  But The Taliban were the ones giving him shelter and training.  That matters too!

Bin Laden thought he was Muhammad reborn ... his family was from Yemen (construction billionaire father), who was a romantic, lived in the desert as a young man, into asceticism.  Was god-fathered by a Sufi leader, got recruited as a go-between for Saudi money to flow to the Taliban.  Got even more religion in Afghanistan ... basically went native, and off the Saudi reservation.  So think of him as a Jim Jones character .. a guy with a death wish.  Then when the Soviets folded up shop, he believed he was the Mahdi, done it all by himself (CIA stinger missiles not involved).  With peace, and the Taliban trashing Afghanistan ... there was boredom ... how could he achieve his destiny as the Mahdi?  Attack the other Great Satan.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Yes, it does.  So why did Bush call off killing Bin Laden--especially when he had him cornered early on????

Bin Laden was visited by the FBI, in hospital, in Dubai in Aug 2001.  He was a CIA asset .. of the Jason Bourne type.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:25:29 PM
Bin Laden was visited by the FBI, in hospital, in Dubai in Aug 2001.  He was a CIA asset .. of the Jason Bourne type.

And some people were convinced that Hillary Clinton was running a child slave station in a pizza place in Washington DC.

Evidence?
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:24:31 PM
Bin Laden thought he was Muhammad reborn ... his family was from Yemen (construction billionaire father), who was a romantic, lived in the desert as a young man, into asceticism.  Was god-fathered by a Sufi leader, got recruited as a go-between for Saudi money to flow to the Taliban.  Got even more religion in Afghanistan ... basically went native, and off the Saudi reservation.  So think of him as a Jim Jones character .. a guy with a death wish.  Then when the Soviets folded up shop, he believed he was the Mahdi, done it all by himself (CIA stinger missiles not involved).  With peace, and the Taliban trashing Afghanistan ... there was boredom ... how could he achieve his destiny as the Mahdi?  Attack the other Great Satan.

He may have thought so.  But what does that mean?  India for example is filled with "God-men" .  Does it mean anything?
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:31:00 PM
He may have thought so.  But what does that mean?  India for example is filled with "God-men" .  Does it mean anything?
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:28:41 PM
And some people were convinced that Hillary Clinton was running a child slave station in a pizza place in Washington DC.

Evidence?

Pay attention to the press, way back in 2001 until today.  I won't do your research for you.  However I don't think the Saudis, Israelis or CIA did it.  All three governments screwed up (they do that a lot), and covered up their screw ups (they do that a lot too).  US was incredibly naive and vulnerable back then.  Like a Boy Scout helping little old Taliban warriors crossing the street.

There may be a child slave station in DC.  There have been in Europe ... pedophilia is big business.  But I doubt that Hillary was involved.  Weiner perhaps and Pedesta ... so only one or two degrees of separation for her.  She associates with some very unsavory characters.

If you want to understand people, you have to be able to get into their shoes (like a detective reconstructing a crime scene).  Of course this is just hypothesis if the forensic evidence doesn't support the reconstruction.  And most courts are smart enough to throw out crazy ideas like ... the Israelis did it, the White House did it ... but all those authorities did turn a crisis to their benefit ... that doesn't mean they started it.  Political figures are incredibly opportunistic (see building with Enron evidence ... or the DoD audit completed the prior weekend was conveniently burned and forgotten in the Pentagon fire).  There is plenty of criminality to go around, and cover up.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:33:44 PM
Pay attention to the press, way back in 2001 until today.  I won't do your research for you.  However I don't think the Saudis, Israelis or CIA did it.  All three governments screwed up (they do that a lot), and covered up their screw ups (they do that a lot too).  US was incredibly naive and vulnerable back then.  Like a Boy Scout helping little old Taliban warriors crossing the street.

There may be a child slave station in DC.  There have been in Europe ... pedophilia is big business.  But I doubt that Hillary was involved.  Weiner perhaps and Pedesta ... so only one or two degrees of separation for her.  She associates with some very unsavory characters.

WHOA, now we get a slight insight to your thoughts.  Nicely elided but you suggested Weiner and Podesta connected to Clinton at the pizza place ...  "only one or two degrees of separation for her".

Congratulations!  You finally slipped the surly bonds of theism and fell into the fake news world of the religious alt-right...  I KNEW you had it in you. 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:47:05 PM
WHOA, now we get a slight insight to your thoughts.  Nicely elided but you suggested Weiner and Podesta connected to Clinton at the pizza place ...  "only one or two degrees of separation for her".

Congratulations!  You finally slipped the surly bonds of theism and fell into the fake news world of the religious alt-right...  I KNEW you had it in you.

Not what I said, but others have said.  I don't know about the pizza place ... I presented apparently fake evidence from Juliani that it was true, at the time.  We all agreed who bothered to comment, that it looked fake.  But Pedesta and Weiner are at least as big a perverts as Bill Clinton and their other friends.  Of Hillary and Huma having a girl on girl party.  With Weiner in particular, he would be suspect #1 in any pedophilia investigation.  But the FBI and Comey, will protect him and the rest, from any real investigation.  That is what they are hired to do, to protect the Elite from their own mistakes.  Caligula all the way down.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:55:01 PM
Not what I said, but others have said.  I don't know about the pizza place ... I presented apparently fake evidence from Juliani that it was true, at the time.  We all agreed who bothered to comment, that it looked fake.  But Pedesta and Weiner are at least as big a perverts as Bill Clinton and their other friends.  Of Hillary and Huma having a girl on girl party.  With Weiner in particular, he would be suspect #1 in any pedophilia investigation.  But the FBI and Comey, will protect him and the rest, from any real investigation.  That is what they are hired to do, to protect the Elite from their own mistakes.  Caligula all the way down.

No, it was what YOU said.  Time to fess up buddy!

LOL!, you are doing the Trump argument.  Suggest but don't state.  Deny what you said.  Sex innuendos on Hillary, etc.  You are OUTED as Trumpian!
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 02:04:49 PM
No, it was what YOU said.  Time to fess up buddy!

LOL!, you are doing the Trump argument.  Suggest but don't state.  Deny what you said.  Sex innuendos on Hillary, etc.  You are OUTED as Trumpian!

Fur ball dropping bear turds.  Never have liked Trump.  Didn't vote for him.  You are proven to be a deranged Hillary supporter ;-)

Sorry, you think that the Clinton family is like Father Knows Best from 1962.  You must be flexible to be that ...

Read the papers, read all about it.  Bet you buy Hillary's book and give it 5 stars on Amazon review ... if only you could read.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:52:32 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:58:07 PM
Fur ball dropping bear turds.  Never have liked Trump.  Didn't vote for him.  You are proven to be a deranged Hillary supporter ;-)

Sorry, you think that the Clinton family is like Father Knows Best from 1962.  You must be flexible to be that ...

Read the papers, read all about it.  Bet you buy Hillary's book and give it 5 stars on Amazon review ... if only you could read.
You have supported Trump positions in the past.  And conservative ones.

And like Trump, you suggest images and claims that insult and distract.  I never said I thought anything good of 'Father Knows Best' or any of those moronic sit-coms of the 60s and 70s.  The Clintons are not like those sitcoms either.  You think "the Mom" in any sitcom would run for President and get a majority of the popular vote?

I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 because she was the most experienced candidate at the time, and possibly one of the most experienced in US history.  The choice was between an inexperienced male demagogue and an experienced female and you chose the inexperienced male. 

Congratulations.  See where THAT has gotten us.  The world thinks we are idiots for choosing Trump and I can't blame them.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Sylar on September 19, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
I was having dinner before I saw the breaking news.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 03:20:43 AM
Quote from: Sylar on September 19, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
I was having dinner before I saw the breaking news.
Early dinner, far east time zone, or not watching the news?  Any is OK, not everyone was glued to the TV set.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:52:32 AM
You have supported Trump positions in the past.  And conservative ones.

And like Trump, you suggest images and claims that insult and distract.  I never said I thought anything good of 'Father Knows Best' or any of those moronic sit-coms of the 60s and 70s.  The Clintons are not like those sitcoms either.  You think "the Mom" in any sitcom would run for President and get a majority of the popular vote?

I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 because she was the most experienced candidate at the time, and possibly one of the most experienced in US history.  The choice was between an inexperienced male demagogue and an experienced female and you chose the inexperienced male. 

Congratulations.  See where THAT has gotten us.  The world thinks we are idiots for choosing Trump and I can't blame them.

Ah yes ... if Trump says ... the Sun comes up in the East, and someone agrees, then they are a skin-head Nazi ;-)  If I agree with any politician, it is pure accident, they as a group don't agree with me (think something disgusting to eat).  And you have every right (even if wrong) to vote for Hillary.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:46:58 PM
Ah yes ... if Trump says ... the Sun comes up in the East, and someone agrees, then they are a skin-head Nazi ;-)  If I agree with any politician, it is pure accident, they as a group don't agree with me (think something disgusting to eat).  And you have every right (even if wrong) to vote for Hillary.

No, when someone says something factual, I will agree with them.  Even a skin-head nazi saying the sun rises in the east.  Though I would point out to them that it is actually the Earth rotating so that our spot on the planet is newly facing the sun.

I actually do think that way, though language makes it difficult to express.  I learned a LONG time ago that saying the Earth rotation showed the sun just didn't get the comprehension of "sunrise".  In some things I surrender to common language.

It's like me as an atheist saying "god damn it" when I stub my toe.  I don't expect a god to damn the door I stubbed my toe on, but everyone knows what I mean. 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Mike Cl on September 19, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
No, when someone says something factual, I will agree with them.  Even a skin-head nazi saying the sun rises in the east.  Though I would point out to them that it is actually the Earth rotating so that our spot on the planet is newly facing the sun.

I actually do think that way, though language makes it difficult to express.  I learned a LONG time ago that saying the Earth rotation showed the sun just didn't get the comprehension of "sunrise".  In some things I surrender to common language.

It's like me as an atheist saying "god damn it" when I stub my toe.  I don't expect a god to damn the door I stubbed my toe on, but everyone knows what I mean.
God damnit, I do!
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 19, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
I say "Via con diablos!"
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
At the time I was working night shift for the Boeing Airplane company. My wife woke me up to inform me a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Naturally I thought she was mistaken. The moment my eyes clapped on the TV they were glued the rest of the day. For three nights in a row I was awoken by a dream of people jumping out windows. I still watch a few documentaries every year because it reminds me of the saying hit them where they expect it least. We saw airplanes as a fast way to get from point A to B the terrorists saw it as a missile. We need to think outside the box how they will attack again.

Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: PopeyesPappy on September 20, 2017, 07:18:33 AM
I lived in Memphis and was at work. We didn't have a TV, and the major Internet news sites were really slow due to increased traffic so someone went home and got a portable TV. One thing I remember is when I told the boss, a retired marine air traffic controller, someone had crashed a plane into one of the towers he was skeptical it was terrorists. His comment was something along the line of incompetent controllers. Then I came back a few minutes later and told him a second plane had hit the other tower. About 20 of us spent most of the rest of the day gathered around a 13" portable TV watching the coverage.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 20, 2017, 07:40:58 AM
One of my co-workers got into a total panic every time a plane passed over head. (We were in the flight path for Purdue's airport.) I tried to calm her down but she eventually had a breakdown and went on extended sick leave. Things like this push people over the edge easily.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: trdsf on September 20, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 20, 2017, 07:40:58 AM
One of my co-workers got into a total panic every time a plane passed over head. (We were in the flight path for Purdue's airport.) I tried to calm her down but she eventually had a breakdown and went on extended sick leave. Things like this push people over the edge easily.
We were living more or less under the western flight path to Port Columbus at the time.  I found it much weirder to not hear planes overhead.  It was actually something of a relief when flights started up again.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 20, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 20, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
We were living more or less under the western flight path to Port Columbus at the time.  I found it much weirder to not hear planes overhead.  It was actually something of a relief when flights started up again.
West Lafayette, Indiana, got 2-3 jets a day, if that. But these people were freaking out over Pipers. I kept asking them what targets we had that were on par with the Pentagon, but they were beyond logic.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 20, 2017, 01:00:56 PM
The national PTSD continues, and puts people into bizarre states of mind, individually and by party affiliation. ;-(
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: trdsf on September 20, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 20, 2017, 11:30:17 AM
West Lafayette, Indiana, got 2-3 jets a day, if that. But these people were freaking out over Pipers. I kept asking them what targets we had that were on par with the Pentagon, but they were beyond logic.
My then-partner got a lot of that at his office, cow-orkers saying they were never going to fly again or go up in a tall building or whatever.  His standard response was, "Congratulations, you're terrorized.  They win."
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 20, 2017, 01:43:04 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 20, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
My then-partner got a lot of that at his office, cow-orkers saying they were never going to fly again or go up in a tall building or whatever.  His standard response was, "Congratulations, you're terrorized.  They win."
And, of course, when they needed to fly or visit that top floor office they went without blinking.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 03:14:09 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 20, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
My then-partner got a lot of that at his office, cow-orkers saying they were never going to fly again or go up in a tall building or whatever.  His standard response was, "Congratulations, you're terrorized.  They win."

There was a time years ago when some sniper was shooting people at random.  I was getting gas for the car one day and stood briefly out of sight as possible.  Then I told myself that meant he won.  So I stood next to the car in plain sight. 

He lost.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 08:11:41 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 03:14:09 AM
There was a time years ago when some sniper was shooting people at random.  I was getting gas for the car one day and stood briefly out of sight as possible.  Then I told myself that meant he won.  So I stood next to the car in plain sight. 

He lost.
The "if terrorists change society they've won!" idea is stupid. We've always adapted to changing conditions.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Sorginak on September 23, 2017, 08:20:35 AM
I was working at an incoming phone call center where I had someone on the line who lived in New York, and he was telling me about what was happening.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 08:38:53 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 08:11:41 AM
The "if terrorists change society they've won!" idea is stupid. We've always adapted to changing conditions.

I must disagree.  The purpose of terrorism is to make people change their lives and disrupt their society.  That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree.  Yes, some watchfulness.  But remember there are 324 million in just the US alone.  A death is sad, but they can't kill many of us.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 08:38:53 AM
I must disagree.  The purpose of terrorism is to make people change their lives and disrupt their society.  That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree.  Yes, some watchfulness.  But remember there are 324 million in just the US alone.  A death is sad, but they can't kill many of us.
You looped there.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
You looped there.

OK, what?
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 09:11:35 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 08:38:53 AM
I must disagree.  The purpose of terrorism is to make people change their lives and disrupt their society.  That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree.  Yes, some watchfulness.  But remember there are 324 million in just the US alone.  A death is sad, but they can't kill many of us.
I said terrorist don't change much. You said "That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree."
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 09:11:35 AM
I said terrorist don't change much. You said "That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree."

I read your post wrong.  My bad.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
I read your post wrong.  My bad.
Apology accepted, but I still have to kill you. Sorry about that, it's policy.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
Apology accepted, but I still have to kill you. Sorry about that, it's policy.

Policy is policy.  Have a "mint"?

Hey, I pulled another all-nighter.  I need to buy better wine.  Even Baruch starts to make sense after 36 hours...  And that is going some.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 23, 2017, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
Policy is policy.  Have a "mint"?

Hey, I pulled another all-nighter.  I need to buy better wine.  Even Baruch starts to make sense after 36 hours...  And that is going some.
In the sleep-deprived universe, maybe.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 08:38:53 AM
I must disagree.  The purpose of terrorism is to make people change their lives and disrupt their society.  That can't be allowed to happen to any meaningful degree.  Yes, some watchfulness.  But remember there are 324 million in just the US alone.  A death is sad, but they can't kill many of us.

Controlled opposition.  False flags.  We will never know who the enemy is ... except Pogo knows way back ... "we have met the enemy, and he is us".
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 10:24:47 AM
Policy is policy.  Have a "mint"?

Hey, I pulled another all-nighter.  I need to buy better wine.  Even Baruch starts to make sense after 36 hours...  And that is going some.

I am just hightening your paranoia, one tin foil hat at a time ... bwahaha.

I come here for the laughs, and you are the circus bear on the unicycle in the tootoo ;-))
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:17:02 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
Controlled opposition.  False flags.  We will never know who the enemy is ... except Pogo knows way back ... "we have met the enemy, and he is us".

I'll leave the "wayback" to Mr Peabody.  Meanwhile Pogo's spirit seems alive and well in Prickly City.  They nailed Trump there.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
I am just hightening your paranoia, one tin foil hat at a time ... bwahaha.

I come here for the laughs, and you are the circus bear on the unicycle in the tootoo ;-))

You must be tired.  It's tu-tu.  And I park my tin-foil hat at the front door.  On the other paw, one of my teeth are buzzing.  Baruch, are you OK?  You are making less sense than usual.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:19:44 AM
You must be tired.  It's tu-tu.  And I park my tin-foil hat at the front door.  On the other paw, one of my teeth are buzzing.  Baruch, are you OK?  You are making less sense than usual.

I debated with myself, the spelling of tu-tu ... damn English homonyms ;-)  For awhile I though it might be spelled two-two.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
I debated with myself, the spelling of tu-tu ... damn English homonyms ;-)  For awhile I though it might be spelled two-two.

That is "two-two" funny.  And the amazing thing about the bear isn't how well it rides the unicycle, but that it can at all.

'Planet Of The Bears'...  Next great movie series.  All riding unicycles.  With guns...
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 05:06:20 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
That is "two-two" funny.  And the amazing thing about the bear isn't how well it rides the unicycle, but that it can at all.

'Planet Of The Bears'...  Next great movie series.  All riding unicycles.  With guns...

You Putin lover you ;-)
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Sorginak on September 23, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
Bears are only good in bed.  On unicycles as entertainment for apes, they're useless. 
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: trdsf on September 23, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 11:30:19 AM
That is "two-two" funny.  And the amazing thing about the bear isn't how well it rides the unicycle, but that it can at all.

'Planet Of The Bears'...  Next great movie series.  All riding unicycles.  With guns...
Not 'Bears On A Plane'?
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 05:51:02 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 23, 2017, 05:42:21 PM
Not 'Bears On A Plane'?

I would take that more seriously than "Snakes On A Plane" ;-(
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Draconic Aiur on September 24, 2017, 03:45:11 AM
I was in a middle school classroom and didn't give a fuck still don't.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 24, 2017, 08:07:05 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 24, 2017, 03:45:11 AM
I was in a middle school classroom and didn't give a fuck still don't.
Evidently you give a enough fuck to post.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Sorginak on September 24, 2017, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 24, 2017, 03:45:11 AM
I was in a middle school classroom and didn't give a fuck still don't.

At least you're honest.  I like that.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 01:08:37 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 05:51:02 PM
I would take that more seriously than "Snakes On A Plane" ;-(

Seriously, what is more dangerous on a plane, a few snakes or an angry bear?  It is easier to stomp the head of a lot of snakes than the head of a single bear.
Title: Re: Where were you on 9-11?
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 01:08:37 AM
Seriously, what is more dangerous on a plane, a few snakes or an angry bear?  It is easier to stomp the head of a lot of snakes than the head of a single bear.

I wouldn't try to stomp the bear, I would politely offer him my seat ;-)