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Title: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Munch on September 10, 2017, 02:37:56 PM
While with any religion, I see them all in the same light as being just fairy tales and hokum, with Sikhism I tend not to think of it much because unlike mainstream or smaller religious groups, it is to me the most passive of all faith groups, and one of its main teachings is to only ever resort of violence as a last resort, unlike other faiths that tell their followers to go for blood right from the off.

I've meet sikhs before in places I've worked and gone to collage, and I've never once gotten a negative impression of them, quite the opposite. And in todays culture, you honestly cannot confuse a sikh for someone of islamic faith, they are just two completely different groups of people.

Unless your this stupid bitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2onmR-oBIY

the way the guy handled this is awesome.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2017, 03:41:29 PM
Ignorant people are confused by the turban.  Sikhism is an Indian religion, with Muslim elements.  When they were founded, fighting for their lives against Muslim rulers, they had to be pretty violent, in self defense.  And again when Indira Gandhi made the mistake of messing with them.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Munch on September 10, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Mainstream media is pretty much at fault for lumping anyone brown skin in as islamic too.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DArfyWVXsAAZnJr.jpg)
(http://sikhpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Prof-Simran-tweet-on-USA-Today.jpg)
(http://sikhpa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/NBC-Sikh-islam-tweet.jpg)
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Hydra009 on September 10, 2017, 10:48:08 PM
Quote from: Munch on September 10, 2017, 07:32:29 PMMainstream media is pretty much at fault for lumping anyone brown skin in as islamic too.
Yeah.  A pro-Trump flier made that mistake as well. (http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/trump-campaign-misidentifies-indiana-sikh-campaign-flyer-107180/)
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Shiranu on September 10, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
Unfortunately, for being the 4th largest religion in the world it is also one of the least known about.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:03:09 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on September 10, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
Unfortunately, for being the 4th largest religion in the world it is also one of the least known about.

I found a travelog about the Golden Temple in Amritsar ... quite interesting.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:03:09 AM
I found a travelog about the Golden Temple in Amritsar ... quite interesting.

I agree about that.  Most christians would be surprised to know moslems follow a lot of the bible prophets.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: pr126 on September 11, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:27:14 AM
I agree about that.  Most christians would be surprised to know moslems follow a lot of the bible prophets.
A good reason for that. Muhammad tried (and failed) to attract Jewish and Christians to Islam despite including their prophets.
That is the very reason that he hated them so much, and Muslims following the founder, still hate and kill them.

Disclaimer: #NOTALLMUSLIMS 
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 11, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
A good reason for that. Muhammad tried (and failed) to attract Jewish and Christians to Islam despite including their prophets.
That is the very reason that he hated them so much, and Muslims following the founder, still hate and kill them.

Disclaimer: #NOTALLMUSLIMS

Possibly.  Comparing the religious texts of judaism, christianity, and islam is very much like reading the same fables in French, Italian and Spanish. 
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: pr126 on September 11, 2017, 11:01:16 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:54:48 AM
Possibly.  Comparing the religious texts of judaism, christianity, and islam is very much like reading the same fables in French, Italian and Spanish. 
That is because Mo has plagiarised most of the Quran from the bible (very inaccurately) but all the rituals and customs are from the pre-Islamic Arab pagan, Sabean, Zoroastrian mix.
Allah was a pagan black stone idol (still in the Kaaba), promoted by Mo to the creator of the universe.   
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 11, 2017, 11:01:16 AM
That is because Mo has plagiarised most of the Quran from the bible (very inaccurately) but all the rituals and customs are from the pre-Islamic Arab pagan, Sabean, Zoroastrian mix.
Allah was a pagan black stone idol (still in the Kaaba), promoted by Mo to the creator of the universe.

For every time you annoy me, you also equally please and surprise me.  I agree.  Every religion rises from another and much of judaism comes from Babylonia, which comes from some older idea, etc.  The judaic flood was not original and neither were the coomandments which are mostly, just common sense among nomads settling into villages.

All religion is a mere codification of what humans had already learned in order to exist together peacefully with a Threat From Above added in.  An afterthought, if you will, taken up as a scam by preists ans shamans as a cool way to earn a living without doing any actual work.

Isn't it more pleasent to tell people to pray to the sky-daddy than guide a plow walking in ox crap???  LOL!
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 01:33:23 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 11:16:42 AM
For every time you annoy me, you also equally please and surprise me.  I agree.  Every religion rises from another and much of judaism comes from Babylonia, which comes from some older idea, etc.  The judaic flood was not original and neither were the coomandments which are mostly, just common sense among nomads settling into villages.

All religion is a mere codification of what humans had already learned in order to exist together peacefully with a Threat From Above added in.  An afterthought, if you will, taken up as a scam by preists ans shamans as a cool way to earn a living without doing any actual work.

Isn't it more pleasent to tell people to pray to the sky-daddy than guide a plow walking in ox crap???  LOL!

Furthermore, the Islamic theology teaches that all prophets, including Jesus, were Muslims.
Adam, Abraham, etc thousands of years before Islam they were all Muslims.

Also, Abraham and Ismail, being good Muslims, traveled to Mekka and rebuilt the Kaaba. After the flood.
It was Adam who built the Kaaba first. (According to Muslim sources).

The black stone of the Kaaba. 
Muslims at the Hajj are still kissing and touching the stone just like the pagans did before Islam. Idolatry? Muslims say it is not. The hajj is also a pagan ritual. 

(http://www.crystalinks.com/blackstonemecca1.jpg)












Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 06:57:47 AM
Fortunately, I don't mind paganism, or the pagan origins of Judaism.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 04:30:07 AM
I do mind.  And the paganer, the worse.  The good part of organized religion is the organized part.  Sadly, the bad thing about it is the organized part too.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:13:55 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 04:30:07 AM
I do mind.  And the paganer, the worse.  The good part of organized religion is the organized part.  Sadly, the bad thing about it is the organized part too.

Monotheism is much more effective at suppressing atheism.  Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:13:55 AM
Monotheism is much more effective at suppressing atheism.  Be careful what you wish for.

It never has and never will.  The most dangerous threat to the last dying grasp of religion is a dedicated atheist who won't give in to the shaman/scammers.   
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
It never has and never will.  The most dangerous threat to the last dying grasp of religion is a dedicated atheist who won't give in to the shaman/scammers.

Corrupt seculars ... politicians ... are OK?
Title: Re: Sikh representative harassed and accused of spreading sharia
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 02:17:07 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
Corrupt seculars ... politicians ... are OK?

For suppressing atheists?  No.  They are a target for all rational thinkers.  Like priests and other hoodoo shamans.