Top Hillary Aide Suggests Bernie Colluded With Russia Too
Maxine Waters: "They're Trying To Kill Me!"
Quote from: Baruch on September 09, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
Top Hillary Aide Suggests Bernie Colluded With Russia Too
Maxine Waters: "They're Trying To Kill Me!"
Anyone can claim anything. The proof is in the Bill Cosby pudding.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 03:59:10 AM
Anyone can claim anything. The proof is in the Bill Cosby pudding.
So what is wrong with buying a woman a drink? Can one tell, 20 years later, if a roofie was in it? Didn't think so. Their word against him. Not that I would trust a man, giving me a drink, if I were a woman. But mom should have taught them that.
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
So what is wrong with buying a woman a drink? Can one tell, 20 years later, if a roofie was in it? Didn't think so. Their word against him. Not that I would trust a man, giving me a drink, if I were a woman. But mom should have taught them that.
No.no.no, you just blamed the victim. Change your clothes, don't smile at the wrong guy, Please reconsider.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 02:07:49 PM
No.no.no, you just blamed the victim. Change your clothes, don't smile at the wrong guy, Please reconsider.
I don't know what he did, and if the girl was drunk, neither did she. But we do "guilty until proved innocent" with all parties. Not just blame the victim, we blame everyone ... just ask Hillary.
I guess Hillary is still a hot topic. Meanwhile, corporations are people, and money is free speech... and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Quote from: SGOS on September 12, 2017, 10:03:20 AM
I guess Hillary is still a hot topic. Meanwhile, corporations are people, and money is free speech... and a whole bunch of other stuff.
I guess all the distractions are working. Once ADHD kicks in, nobody will remember any of this.
Once humanity is extinct
Quote from: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 01:29:58 PM
I guess all the distractions are working. Once ADHD kicks in, nobody will remember any of this.
Once homo sapiens sapiens is extinct, nobody will remember any of this.
Quote from: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
I don't know what he did, and if the girl was drunk, neither did she. But we do "guilty until proved innocent" with all parties. Not just blame the victim, we blame everyone ... just ask Hillary.
:Guilty until proven innocent". Do you never stop being the clown? Congrats, you are the jester minimus with the insightful point a court jester was expected to make. Not even the ear-flapper...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 04:24:17 AM
:Guilty until proven innocent". Do you never stop being the clown? Congrats, you are the jester minimus with the insightful point a court jester was expected to make. Not even the ear-flapper...
I take the disfunction of society, and the government, as a serious fact. Yes, Civics101 was all bullshit ... just to keep us from liking the commies. We haven't been 18th century America ... for over 200 years now.
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:35:23 AM
I take the disfunction of society, and the government, as a serious fact. Yes, Civics101 was all bullshit ... just to keep us from liking the commies. We haven't been 18th century America ... for over 200 years now.
And we haven't been 16th century for 400 years. Is there a point to your jokes? I take the dysfunction of Government as a serious fact also, but as increasing religiosity and alt-rightism.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 08:15:34 AM
And we haven't been 16th century for 400 years. Is there a point to your jokes? I take the dysfunction of Government as a serious fact also, but as increasing religiosity and alt-rightism.
Only because you entered government when long hair and love beads were cool ;-) Nobody likes change, but change swings back and forth.
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
Only because you entered government when long hair and love beads were cool ;-) Nobody likes change, but change swings back and forth.
Long hair was never accepted in Govt when I started. The Division Director was a Navy ensign in WWII, the Branch Chief was a Captain then, the Section Chief was a Bosun and everyone else already working there was a vet of some sort.
The Division Director who selected me for the job said, "and you will cut off the ponytail". I said yes, and did on the spot with a pair of scissors on his desk. You poor uninformed friend... It was never love beads in the Govt....
Yes, hate beads and a crew cut. Were you in the IRS?
I did a crew cut after I joined up this last time, as a contractor. Stopped cutting my hair and shaving, when the wife kicked me out. I am mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. Well maybe for a few more months ;-) I am on a military base, they are mostly veterans, currently, not in the mythic past. My best buddy there, he went multiple times to Afghanistan and Iraq. To interrogate people. I was one of the few people he respected, because like him, I didn't give a fuck anymore. But unlike him, I don't pack heat or head up a bikers club. The first week he tried to psych me, and I psyched him back. Offered for him to join my club, and he did. Bitch that. He went to work for the VA earlier this year. I feel sorry for any loser who gets in his way ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 08:39:08 PM
Yes, hate beads and a crew cut. Were you in the IRS?
I did a crew cut after I joined up this last time, as a contractor. Stopped cutting my hair and shaving, when the wife kicked me out. I am mad as hell and I can't take it anymore. Well maybe for a few more months ;-) I am on a military base, they are mostly veterans, currently, not in the mythic past. My best buddy there, he went multiple times to Afghanistan and Iraq. To interrogate people. I was one of the few people he respected, because like him, I didn't give a fuck anymore. But unlike him, I don't pack heat or head up a bikers club. The first week he tried to psych me, and I psyched him back. Offered for him to join my club, and he did. Bitch that. He went to work for the VA earlier this year. I feel sorry for any loser who gets in his way ;-)
I was not IRS. GSA if that tells you anything. And internal support for GSA which tells you less.
None of us were like your acquintance, though. Or you if I understand right.
DoD folk who have served (I haven't) are a different breed. They have gotten past fear of paper cuts ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 01:45:22 PM
So what is wrong with buying a woman a drink? Can one tell, 20 years later, if a roofie was in it? Didn't think so. Their word against him. Not that I would trust a man, giving me a drink, if I were a woman. But mom should have taught them that.
Jesus fucking christ.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 20, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
Jesus fucking christ.
So you were there, each time Bill Cosby dated a woman at a bar, and had a breathalyzer to check for roofies? Amazing. Now I am not saying the women are lying .. it just isn't possible to back any of this up, with clinical evidence, 20 years later. And unfortunately, men and women, lie all the time (or are simply mistaken because of how drunk they were at the time). It is this kind of thing, is why I almost never sought a woman companion at a bar, nor have I ever bought any a drink. If they want a roofie they have to put it in their own drink.
Quote from: Baruch on September 20, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
So you were there, each time Bill Cosby dated a woman at a bar, and had a breathalyzer to check for roofies? Amazing. Now I am not saying the women are lying .. it just isn't possible to back any of this up, with clinical evidence, 20 years later. And unfortunately, men and women, lie all the time (or are simply mistaken because of how drunk they were at the time). It is this kind of thing, is why I almost never sought a woman companion at a bar, nor have I ever bought any a drink. If they want a roofie they have to put it in their own drink.
Fuck you, fucker.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 20, 2017, 02:46:42 PM
Fuck you, fucker.
All women tell the truth? Don't think so. All men lie? Don't think so. Wasn't there with Bill and company, so I will never know, and I don't have a dog in their fight.
And yes, some women are psychopaths ... unfortunately so are some men. I don't approve of the behavior he is accused of, of course.
Quote from: Baruch on September 20, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
So you were there, each time Bill Cosby dated a woman at a bar, and had a breathalyzer to check for roofies? Amazing. Now I am not saying the women are lying .. it just isn't possible to back any of this up, with clinical evidence, 20 years later. And unfortunately, men and women, lie all the time (or are simply mistaken because of how drunk they were at the time). It is this kind of thing, is why I almost never sought a woman companion at a bar, nor have I ever bought any a drink. If they want a roofie they have to put it in their own drink.
Really? This isn't just one persons word against anothers. Are you seriously going to suggest that dozens of women who have never met that can corroborate the details of exactly what that person did are lying?
Quote from: Jason78 on September 21, 2017, 03:57:33 AM
Really? This isn't just one persons word against anothers. Are you seriously going to suggest that dozens of women who have never met that can corroborate the details of exactly what that person did are lying?
Bad men have been doing the same pickup lines for centuries. But there is circumstantial evidence perhaps. Give me a chemical analysis of the drinks the women drank. But can you convict this kind of offense on circumstantial evidence? Are you privy to the trial, or the jury deliberations? Just trial in the public opinion ... mob rule. Just as I would also dismiss the other alternative, of blaming the victim (as often happens in such cases). We really don't know. Thinking we know just reveals our own prejudices. Did OJ do it? We might have a better feel for it, if the police hadn't mishandled the physical evidence. Actual experiments show that perp ID in a lineup, immediately after a crime, is 50-50. Police know this and lead the witness. Police also badger suspects into confessing things they didn't do. Police also plant false evidence, or attempt to enhance it, to more likely get a conviction (as seems to have happened with OJ). The DA also is very selective in who to prosecute in political cases (Hillary ... cough).
Quote from: Baruch on September 21, 2017, 06:56:48 AM
Bad men have been doing the same pickup lines for centuries. But there is circumstantial evidence perhaps. Give me a chemical analysis of the drinks the women drank. But can you convict this kind of offense on circumstantial evidence? Are you privy to the trial, or the jury deliberations? Just trial in the public opinion ... mob rule. Just as I would also dismiss the other alternative, of blaming the victim (as often happens in such cases). We really don't know. Thinking we know just reveals our own prejudices. Did OJ do it? We might have a better feel for it, if the police hadn't mishandled the physical evidence. Actual experiments show that perp ID in a lineup, immediately after a crime, is 50-50. Police know this and lead the witness. Police also badger suspects into confessing things they didn't do. Police also plant false evidence, or attempt to enhance it, to more likely get a conviction (as seems to have happened with OJ). The DA also is very selective in who to prosecute in political cases (Hillary ... cough).
You are suggesting there is no crime unless there is proof. The crime can exist without the trial requirements.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 03:26:37 AM
You are suggesting there is no crime unless there is proof. The crime can exist without the trial requirements.
Bad behavior (at least behavior bad in my opinion) exists of course. But a crime is a political theater, it doesn't exist without government to define and suppress it.
But if you want to convict people on mere assertion, go right ahead, but not in my country.
Cavebear wishes Dexter was real.
Quote from: Sorginak on September 23, 2017, 06:09:53 PM
Cavebear wishes Dexter was real.
No, he wants to be Dexter, except when he is Lecter ;-( (satire tag)
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 06:01:30 PM
But if you want to convict people on mere assertion, go right ahead, but not in my country.
Conviction is not the problem. Casting doubt on victims because of its inherent lack of physical evidence is the problem. Making assumptions is the problem. Blaming victims because they were drunk or wearing a short dress or were in a place they should not have been is the problem. Not taking rape cases seriously is the problem, as evidenced by the reporting rate and the prosecution rate. It's a larger cultural problem.
Speaking as a rape survivor-IMMEDIATELY I was accused of lying about it. Immediately.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 23, 2017, 08:21:00 PM
Conviction is not the problem. Casting doubt on victims because of its inherent lack of physical evidence is the problem. Making assumptions is the problem. Blaming victims because they were drunk or wearing a short dress or were in a place they should not have been is the problem. Not taking rape cases seriously is the problem, as evidenced by the reporting rate and the prosecution rate. It's a larger cultural problem.
Speaking as a rape survivor-IMMEDIATELY I was accused of lying about it. Immediately.
And that is part of ... not being civilized. If anyone told me they had been raped, I would listen very carefully, and hand them off to the nearest rape counselor who is trained in such things. That is actually what we are trained to do in the medical community. Of course, it wasn't always this way. And I don't understand the "blame the victim" thing that some people do. But one has a time limit on when one can claim foul, and limits on claims of anonymity. Actual rape counselors, given a short span between the event and the accusation, are trained to get the physical evidence. And now we can DNA test it too. Every medical staff is retrained on this, every year. And no, even if a man was cute and wearing a short dress, that is no reason to molest him. Yes, we do have a cultural problem. Sexual assault is particularly high in the military. If things didn't work for you like they should, you have my grief at that. And of course the actual assault isn't right. Meanwhile prisoners in jail are being molested as we speak.
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
And I don't understand the "blame the victim" thing that some people do.
You did this exact thing in an earlier post in this thread.
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 09:47:10 PM
But one has a time limit on when one can claim foul, and limits on claims of anonymity. Actual rape counselors, given a short span between the event and the accusation, are trained to get the physical evidence. And now we can DNA test it too. Every medical staff is retrained on this, every year. And no, even if a man was cute and wearing a short dress, that is no reason to molest him. Yes, we do have a cultural problem. Sexual assault is particularly high in the military. If things didn't work for you like they should, you have my grief at that. And of course the actual assault isn't right. Meanwhile prisoners in jail are being molested as we speak.
Your assertion that there should be a time limit is further diminishment of the issue at hand. The statute of limitations is what it is. Most of the women stepping forward have reached that, and can't get a conviction. Do you ever stop to think about why they didn't come forward in the first place? Go back and read what you wrote earlier in the thread.
Rape is a crime that very very often does not come with any physical evidence. But you don't seem to grasp that. You aren't shy about spouting off about it though.
What is your point about prisoners being raped?
Quote from: Mermaid on September 24, 2017, 10:01:46 AM
You did this exact thing in an earlier post in this thread. Your assertion that there should be a time limit is further diminishment of the issue at hand. The statute of limitations is what it is. Most of the women stepping forward have reached that, and can't get a conviction. Do you ever stop to think about why they didn't come forward in the first place? Go back and read what you wrote earlier in the thread.
Rape is a crime that very very often does not come with any physical evidence. But you don't seem to grasp that. You aren't shy about spouting off about it though.
What is your point about prisoners being raped?
Your knowledge of law and current medical practice is deficient. There is evidence, if it is examined soon. Statute of limitations is a legal concept, not a scientific one. It is unfortunate that Zeus doesn't zap rapists from Mt Olympus (oops, he was overly fond of human women). It is a shame there is no afterlife to torture bad people forever (I assume you are atheist). And yes, it takes a lot for a rape victim (which includes men) to step forward. The process today tries to make that easier than in the misogynistic past (and yes, we are still misogynist anyway). How many guilty people get off ... and not just for rape? Why not execute people, on mere assertion of the State or an accuser?
I mentioned the prison rape thing, because that is where most rapes are happening, on a daily basis. Shouldn't happen there, shouldn't happen anywhere. As a guy, that is the location I am most likely to be raped. Excuse me for being self centered.
Quote from: Baruch on September 24, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Your knowledge of law and current medical practice is deficient. There is evidence, if it is examined soon. Statute of limitations is a legal concept, not a scientific one. It is unfortunate the Zeus doesn't zap rapists from Mt Olympus (oops, he was overly fond of human women). It is a shame there is no afterlife to torture bad people forever (I assume you are atheist). And yes, it takes a lot for a rape victim (which includes men) to step forward. The process today tries to make that easier than in the misogynistic past (and yes, we are still misogynist anyway). How many guilty people get off ... and not just for rape? Why not execute people, on mere assertion of the State or an accuser?
I mentioned the prison rape thing, because that is where most rapes are happening, on a daily basis. Shouldn't happen there, shouldn't happen anywhere. As a guy, that is the location I am most likely to be raped. Excuse me for being self centered.
You continue to just blather on instead of listening.
It's FALSE that there is always or even usually physical evidence. Rape is about consent, or lack thereof. That is quite often not supported by physical evidence, and comes down often to his word against hers.
And I know the statute of limitations is a legal concept. I do not believe I said otherwise.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 24, 2017, 02:41:57 PM
You continue to just blather on instead of listening.
It's FALSE that there is always or even usually physical evidence. Rape is about consent, or lack thereof. That is quite often not supported by physical evidence, and comes down often to his word against hers.
And I know the statute of limitations is a legal concept. I do not believe I said otherwise.
OK, I have listened. And I know about consent, and how difficult it is for the people themselves to interpret it, let alone a judge or jury. A no-win situation. I don't support casual sex, let alone non-consensual sex. And I am of an age, I simply don't want a sex partner anymore, so it is a nothing-burger for me. I don't think that people should do anything without a signed contract, gone over by two independent attorneys. In that case, only attorneys will have babies, but that is fine by me.
Quote from: Baruch on September 21, 2017, 06:56:48 AM
Bad men have been doing the same pickup lines for centuries. But there is circumstantial evidence perhaps. Give me a chemical analysis of the drinks the women drank. But can you convict this kind of offense on circumstantial evidence? Are you privy to the trial, or the jury deliberations? Just trial in the public opinion ... mob rule. Just as I would also dismiss the other alternative, of blaming the victim (as often happens in such cases). We really don't know. Thinking we know just reveals our own prejudices.
Drugs are not a pick-up line. And being unable to say "no" is not "yes".
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 01:40:13 AM
Drugs are not a pick-up line. And being unable to say "no" is not "yes".
I agree. Simply don't pick up people in bars, or let yourself be picked up. Better yet, don't visit bars.
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:34:49 PM
I agree. Simply don't pick up people in bars, or let yourself be picked up. Better yet, don't visit bars.
The last time I was in a bar was 30 years ago. There, with 2 friends, a woman came over and said "when you've finished your drink, come over and ask me to dance."
A few thoughts crossed my mind. First, "Why me"; I'm average and my friends were dressed better and quite frankly, more attractive. Second, "why didn't she just ask me to dance"? Third, several guys had been crowding her table (she had attractive friends too). Fourth, I'm a lousy disco dancer. I could do the Charleston, the Foxtrot, and the Waltz, but I was pretty sure she didn't want to do those.
So after 5 minutes, as a new song started, I went over and asked. I went out and flailed mildly like an idiot and she wasn't impressed. Surprise surprise.
On the other hand, I was on travel to Ft Worth a few years later, and another set of friends dragged me along (mostly to hold the table, I assume) They immediately joined a table with a couple ladies saying (surprise) "hold the table". The place was too busy for that, so I stood at a corner looking grumpy.
A lady at the table nearby suddenly asked if I ever smiled. Well, I smiled, and she just stared. Apparently, I do have a good smile... :) We danced and she could even waltz to a Texas 2 step. Eventually, we were ignoring the music. One thing led to another. Thank you Ft Worth...
Quote from: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 04:10:19 AM
The last time I was in a bar was 30 years ago. There, with 2 friends, a woman came over and said "when you've finished your drink, come over and ask me to dance."
A few thoughts crossed my mind. First, "Why me"; I'm average and my friends were dressed better and quite frankly, more attractive. Second, "why didn't she just ask me to dance"? Third, several guys had been crowding her table (she had attractive friends too). Fourth, I'm a lousy disco dancer. I could do the Charleston, the Foxtrot, and the Waltz, but I was pretty sure she didn't want to do those.
So after 5 minutes, as a new song started, I went over and asked. I went out and flailed mildly like an idiot and she wasn't impressed. Surprise surprise.
On the other hand, I was on travel to Ft Worth a few years later, and another set of friends dragged me along (mostly to hold the table, I assume) They immediately joined a table with a couple ladies saying (surprise) "hold the table". The place was too busy for that, so I stood at a corner looking grumpy.
A lady at the table nearby suddenly asked if I ever smiled. Well, I smiled, and she just stared. Apparently, I do have a good smile... :) We danced and she could even waltz to a Texas 2 step. Eventually, we were ignoring the music. One thing led to another. Thank you Ft Worth...
Texas is simply better ;-) So you acted as a semi-gay beard for straight men? Cool. Did you even have a beard at the time?
Quote from: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Texas is simply better ;-) So you acted as a semi-gay beard for straight men? Cool. Did you even have a beard at the time?
"Semi-gay beard for straight men"? That doesn't even make any sense. But then, that seldom bothers you.