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Title: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 08, 2017, 04:46:58 AM

Back to due to popular demand . only for  half hour or so . till breakfast is made ready .  nothing like an exciting discussion with my beloved atheist over a strong cup of coffee enhanced with a  generous amount of brandy to shake off  hangover.

Do you really like me that much? Really? I don’t mind.  I forgive you.

This is going to be about  claims  that Christianity was copied from Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroaster  and Mithras occult and god only knows what else .  I’m going to trample on and trash those claims and  wipe my nose on them , leaving a trail of dinkies .   . .

Qlazm fridge. As is the case with any claims, there is 99.9 % chance they’re not original . Man is repeating machine. Man is fed whole lot of  shit, man repeats shit ,  and rabble applaud . There’re  exceptions of course , like me for example,  but those  are few and far apart .  .in short , the thing to do  first is to trace the source of claims and ignore the broken records till further notice  .

Bakonjoo. I have traced the claims to two characters . both are certifiable nutcases.  both are dead. both are  buried .  their nonsensical claims  that do not   even rise to the level of a claim  are dead too except among two groups, laymen atheists and Muslims --if you google Jesus& Buddha/Krishna or google  roots of Christianity  what you get is an abundance of those two groups. 

Hard to determine which one   of the two is the  nuttier one . The source, the origin,  is a guy called Godfrey Higgins, an English man born 1772 . the other nutcase is Kersey  Graves ,born in 1800s  in Pennsylvania , from Quakers parents . those two are the source of the nonsense that Christianity was copied from  the aforementioned  pagan religions. Ice cream now . .when todays nutballs  make those claims they cite those two nutballs or cite sources  when traced  lead to theose  two nutcases   . of the two you would be right to call Higgins the spiritual father of the nonsense . This is because Graves cites Higgins as his source. The two you could say are the founding fathers of the nonsense .

That the claims are nonsense is evident., It is undisputable fact that the best criticism of Christianity is by Christian theologians , a fact readily acknowledged by scholars . pina colada, yummy.  since Christian theologians  have not bothered with  those claims then they  are nonsense .  all scholars in related  areas and over lapping areas dismiss Higgins and company as screw balls

Prominent atheists and atheist scholars in the field  distance themselves from Higgins crab. One recent example would be Brian Flemings who denounced the nonsense in strong terms . In public Atheist Scholars are  diplomatic and careful not to invite the wrath of the left to themselves  , dismissing  the nonsense as not reliable  and unscholarly . scratch now. in conferences atheists scholars are firmer in their rejection .. one dismissed Higgins as bonkers . that was in connection with Higgins  nonsense of 16 saviors. You can test this by  discussing  the topic with  one of  the cute professors airheads from the multi cultural multi cesspool depts , comes with one nite stand  with touch of her neurosis and sprinkle of her paranoia and dash of who am I and where am I and what happened come day break quintessential questions. Snatosh bush .

okay source determined , next in line  is actual hocus pocus .  Higgins wrote a book which he called Apocalypse .  Anacalypse  is just nonsense  designed to go over the head of the lay person .mouth watery  peanut butter and chocolate. In the book, Higgins claims  Buddhists colonized Asia thousand of years ago and they were black and that they colonized Egypt thousands of years ago  . He  claims language can be deduced from  trees .   He claims  the jews were a Hindu tribe and Persian shepherds , and  Roman Caesars starting with Julius Caesar  are zodiac signs .  So Tiberius , little boots   , Claudius, Nero,etc , were zodiac signs. Mexico means  messiah  and therefore Mexico was Jesus home , according  Higgins . Abraham of the bible is Brahma . basically all of his insanity  are based in his belief that the zodiac  has ruined and hidden the real history. Stick finger in nose.  What it is really Higgins  does not believe in history and went and invented his own.  Between you and me I think he went a little bit overboard with his imagination . But don’t tell anyone . keep this shit between us . secret. I trust you now.

There is something else about Higgins.if you haven't notice  he makes up blatant shit  . he says so and so said so and so when it  is not true . he has no concept of getting caught.  he made up gods  . some new shit nobody heard of , like Beddru of Japan .who is Beddru Higgins? Higgins can’t answer because Higgins  is dead.  la hayatan leman tonadee. 

given Higgins insane  thoughts that means  I’m not engaging in character assassination  of the guy . I don’t do.  Higgins nonsense  brands him as nutcase 

Okay , done with that shit  next is  the peddlers who are  atheists and Muslims for the most part . .Of those two it is hard to determine who are the leaders   . Usually those on top are the  slick ones who stand to gain monetarily or in terms of maintaining    or expanding their influence sphere . The rest   are the pawns . 

  Muslims are a people with a cause , excellently  programmed . They tend to grab at anything that they think undermine Christianity because they perceive Christianity as  their nemesis and in this they are right for the simple fact Islam is backwardness and retardation and impedes progress while Christianity is progress . all science be it  physics or chemistry and even math and what have you are,  all that shit is Catholicism  by another name .allowed free hand Christians will always get  ahead of the rest of mankind . calm down. and history proves it. All other civilizations are  failures that  weren’t for Christianity would have disappeared with the disappearance of those who maintained them .  Note ISIS banned science from  schools it controlled . Boko Haram of Nigeria means  education is unlawful. Empiricism is the bane of Islam but the life stuff of Catholicism  . same with those pagan religions. They are all failed and failed civilizations who parasited themselves back to life feeding on Christianity success . .

80 % of books published in Muslims majority countries are about Islam . The balance   is roughly divided between the sort of non religious propaganda Islamic Dawa ( call to Islam ) and the particular country regime engages in and   an assortment of other stuff with no method or pattern to them. Chips and onion dip.The propaganda stuff is the usual popular mainstay shit topics such as   Hitler’s Mein Kampf, the evil  Christian crusaders ,  Native American wiped out by Christians , Zionist protocol , Jews are responsible  for sept 11  ,Jews control world banking and media ,  Al Qaeda is an American creation and now ISIS is also an American creation, America is Satan, etc .  lately though  you got in addition   an abundance of books and pamphlets promoting Higgins nonsense or based on Higgins nonsense  at book exhibition in   those Muslims majority countries , at book shops, and even street vendors stalls.  Muslims are devouring that shit . sales skyrocket on Ramadan when Muslims faculties are twisted further  than they already are by fasting.

Arabic pamphlets and books on Higgins shit are authored by groups of at least two or  three Arabic academicians . strangely some of  the content  here and there has  some parallel shit I can’t tell you but which adds another dimension  as to who done it and what’s it all about Elfie .I like it though. 

Now,  the claim  of Higgins and the rest of his followers , the  nonsense they spew basically  boils down to the claim the NT was copied from those pagan religions. According to them the proof  is that all those gods, Krishna ,Attis ,  Osiris , Buddha , Zoroaster , Adonis , Mithra, bunch of baal based deities  - the list is just too long to remember- all those characters were each  born of a virgin , in humble place, as  the angels sang and broke danced  and people found out about it  from  following a star that lead them to the new born baby and the baby came from royal blood and  they each had 12 disciples  and each did the last dinner bit and each was crucified and rose again and before they were crucified they taught the same shit Jesus taught . strawberry short cake .. Just think of the shit as claims  that the   stories of those pagan gods  are like Jesus  story and that since those characters and their stories  came before Christianity  then it stands to reason to conclude Jesus story was copied from them. That’s really what the shit is about . 

Once you pin point the shit you begin to  see its nonsense . Jesus story getting copied from a zillion other stories is nonsense . Jesus being the proto type from which the zillion other stories got copied makes sense and is more like it .

those are pagans who tried to make their gods look better by injecting them with varies degrees of Jesus character . Those attempts failed .   their gods still looked like shit when compared with Jesus  as outlined on the NT . a warlord like Krishna   with the 16 thousand wives and 180 thousand kids no matter how much Jesus you dress him up with is still a warlord  .a warlord in a silk suit is still a warlord .

Those gods as described by   their own manuscripts are not a reflection or mirror Jesus . saying they're is a joke . They are thugs . thugs whom they tried to  redeem by dressing them as some Jesus .

its like John Madison and the US constitution.  Madison on one side of the room and the rest of 54 nitwits on the other side . Madison comes up with the constitution and then they say all  the 54 nitwits had something to do with it and then they  celebrate a day dedicated to George Washington when it should be dedicated to Madison.

Come here . why the hell do you call it the United States of America? Guy got lost and thought natives were Indians !!! where did you go ? I went to India. No you did not go to India you twit . Its not India. Stop saying that shit .

They should call it the United States of John Madison.give credit where credit is due .  Call it that and pick a day and call it Madison day and get drunk and eat your barbecue and corn bread and shut up.

Its okay.  I like America. I do. Because in America you can carry a gun .   

Christianity was successful religion and still is. It spreads like fire  .  with Islam, back in the day  they had to convert Tunisians 12 times in a row  . Kill and behead them till they convert to Islam. Stop beheading them and they leave Islam .go back and kill them again and they convert again to islam. Did it 12 times to get them to be Muslims .

So everyone  wanted to make their god look like jesus and sound like him.  that’s all what the BS is all about . And no star that lead people to new born baby and all that bullshit that Higgins and graves said . all BS. Atheists and Muslims simply got bamboozled .

or could be something else   . you know a person  here in this site claimed to have researched Surat Al Fateha  in Wikipedia and based on that research gave an account that had nothing to do with Wikipedia account . check it . its in my introduction post . maybe this Higgins and Graves shit is some kind of  syndrome . the Higgins syndrome shit . I need to research this shit .the Higgins syndrome. Person diagnosed with Higgins syndrome. Get Noble prize and shit you know .

The question then  is when exactly did they start copying from the NT  ? All of the manuscripts of those pagan religions are predated by the NT . the Bhagavad gita that made a god of Krishna , it  dates to anywhere from late 2nd century  AD to 4th century AD. Some experts as well as Catholic experts  say late 2nd century AD . I’m of the opinion 4th century AD. Then Krishna in the later additions , in harivamsa  ,got   evolved and improvised  further and then  further more later in the Puranas  in the 9th century AD according to sissy nice experts . to me  the Puranas came later than that .but we’re all  agreed that Hinduism has taken its current form not before the 8th century AD. I argue not before the 9th century AD.    Hindus themselves say the Puranas was modified in the middle ages   .

the claim all those manuscripts of those characters came after the NT is established shit .  that’s  scholarly consensus , established shit , except for minor , extremely minor stuff and rare stuff that has no bearing whatsoever on the subject of copying .

I calculate the copying from  Jesus story by those pagan religion  happened late in the 2nd century AD upwards . they started copying stuff from the NT starting from late 2nd century AD with some manuscripts as late as 12th century AD.

And the stories themselves are not anything like jesus story of course . not when you examine the actual manuscripts .Higgins and the rest make up shit .

Right now that nonsense is over with . everyone agrees if any shit was copied it was copied from the NT  and not the other way around . what the BS now is ….. the bozos are now saying  Jesus was born in the 2nd  century BC . yes yes Christianity is the oldest and the universal but its because Jesus was born before it is said he was born by some 200 years plus .thats their new shit  . more crab by them

What should be done is do what was done with the quran. The Quran was traced to 80 % Jewish sources and 10 percent Christian source. Some of the stuff in the middle ages improvisation of Krishna came from, the apocrypha and and and .
Okay go ahead. your turn.  Quack. That’s all you do.  say no to drugs.

Have a nice day .

With much love and admiration.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Sal1981 on September 08, 2017, 05:09:13 AM
tl;dr
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2017, 07:09:39 AM
Christianity certainly is popular and long lasting.  Has had great institutional backbone and government subsidy thru the millennia.  Islam had to compete hard to compete at all.  Poor Zoroastrianism though, folded like a wet towel.  Jews did our Gypsy thing 1000 years before the Gypsies.  Only recently settled down again ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 08, 2017, 07:54:14 AM
Islam did not have to compete. It used the sword.
Opponents were killed, or enslaved - ergo no more competition.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
They learned well from their Christian teachers, didn't they?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: SGOS on September 08, 2017, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 08, 2017, 04:46:58 AM

Back to due to popular demand . only for  half hour or so . till breakfast is made ready . 
You have a very strange way of using periods.  In the above, it seems to mean you are beginning a sentence, or a doctoral discussion.  Doesn't your mother get mad when you don't show up for breakfast, and it just sits there and gets cold?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 08:45:43 AM
This is obviously someone who can't make his own breakfast, but must have others labor on his behalf. But he has the time to write long blocks of text, expecting us to read that shit.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 08, 2017, 08:57:39 AM
I also refuse to believe who wrote all that in half an hour, so his breakfast was cold by the end and he demanded another be made
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
Quote from: pr126 on September 08, 2017, 07:54:14 AM
Islam did not have to compete. It used the sword.
Opponents were killed, or enslaved - ergo no more competition.

That is how France was converted to Catholicism, from Arianism ... on the battlefield, as the result of a marital promise from King Clovis to his Catholic wife.  And the Visigoths were none to gentle in Iberia, with the pagans or Jews.  Islam was liberation for Jews in Iberia, relatively speaking.  Muslims agreed to continue to persecute pagans.

And yes, swords are part of the competition.  And Jews are usually too few to make any difference ... we think quality, not quantity.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2017, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
They learned well from their Christian teachers, didn't they?

And Zoroastrians.  The Persians tried to conquer Mecca a generation or two before Muhammad.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 08:45:43 AM
This is obviously someone who can't make his own breakfast, but must have others labor on his behalf. But he has the time to write long blocks of text, expecting us to read that shit.

Sultan ... call him a Sultan.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 01:50:23 PM
I guess I could...but I'm afraid he'd just get encouraged to write another long page of text that I won't have time to read.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 08, 2017, 04:22:19 PM
I'm just entertained by the assertion of being the defender of xianity.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Well, he has to defend Xtianity, since there's no one else doing it...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 08, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
Hummm....think I just saw a puffer fish---he puffs himself up and then blowvates; no rhyme or reason, just words (and partial words) bouncing out of his fingers.  Does this fish think---no, just blowvate.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2017, 07:03:16 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 08, 2017, 04:29:13 PM
Well, he has to defend Xtianity, since there's no one else doing it...

1. He claims to be a convert to Catholicism (via marriage)
2. Muslims defend Jesus as one of the prophets of Islam
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 09, 2017, 06:02:22 AM
I read your responses. Says , you have been disarmed as far as op is concerned and  as expected . Mahabharata by itself is 18 books. Let this be a lesson to you.

@ Mike come here . sit. you called me asshole in my other post. You need to apologize to me and ask for my forgiveness . you’re not being good role model. You need  to work on that . and stop babbling .you alwasy talk that bar talk.stop that shit

@Unibeliver . come here . your turn. Sit.  , you told me fuck you in my other post . when I tried to excuse you some by attributing it to my exchange with Mike you went and incriminated yourself further and said no you, meaning me. Two things . you need to apologize to me.  If you get arrested keep your mouth shut  at all times . and stop whining about long text. Its not . I’m teaching you. You should thank me

@ Barouch .  How are you my friend ? what’s up with these people ? Man , you got your work cut out for you .
So what do you want now ? do a “long “ article on violence in Christendom and versus the kingdom of whoredom of Islam?do you have any idea what that takes ? off the top of my head the figure is over 450 battles in which Muslims ransacked and murdered people non stop. Christian violence is child play by comparison and wasn’t even part of their  curriculum . Why don’t you get off your behind and do it yourself , huh?

Jesus in Islam is not anything like jesus in Christianity and Moahmmed was false prophet and the quran actually says Jesus is Allah  ? you do that. I’m busy. 

@pr152. Come here . sit . look you are right Islam was spread by the sword . but the sword was the last bit . economic warfare preceded it .factor that. other shit too. Muslims are opportunist .

the boats that took so called refuges to Europe from Libya and what have you were owned and operated by the organization of Muslims brothers .you will be shocked who funded that shit

Mohammed and thugs went and set up camp at   Yathrib because it sat right smack on the trade rout . they robbed the caravans first . they destroyed the economy .

Ibn Khaldun  gives an extensive account of the economic warfare .in the end Christendom could not venture one single ship  on the Mediterranean .thats according to him.  its a testimony to Christians strength of faith and resolve that they were able to turn the tide .

In Egypt recently , they come out of the Mosques on Friday armed and they head towards Coptic Christians homes . the Copts call law enforcement . the army  comes in armored vehicles but they only evacuate the women and girls and little boys and leave . they don’t evacuate the men and older boys . the Muslims attack and kill them all.  The women who were evacuated and dumped at the Coptic church have no men any more to work the field or run the businesses . this is happening today .


Now of course they call yathrib   Medina . this to say its the city. In particular Jerusalem  , the city of the king ( David)
There is movie about Mohammed called the Messenger staring Anthon quin . in the movie as Mohammed enters the yathrib  , the people are shown dancing and  waving palms.  accompanied by a song going ,” the moon has risen on us , in the steps of farewell “ .  the moon in the quran  stands for light . Jesus said he is the light of the world . Two  when he  came to the city of the King  it was to walk into the hands of the crucifiers. So they were copying the NT , incident of  jesus in the NT entering the city of the king .

There were pitching Qathem as the second coming of Christ . ancient manuscripts confirm that .

Right now they set aside a billion dollars to make another commercial movie for Mohammed . who is paying for it ? you . whom are they going to reap the profit from? You .

I get the outline , I edit it  . then I talk into the recording machine sometimes for as long as 12 hours with short breaks in between . the language gets fixed and processed by others. The editing by others . and you talk to me about long text. Hahahaha. Who are you people and where do you come from? You better then stop making false claims .it takes talking to debunk them . it comes with your bullshit claims and I have the right to criticize  your attacks on Christianity because I’m catholic . I’m god fearing Catholic who fearth god and eschews evil. you can't read for shit , you lack the intellectual wherewithal ? then stop the BS.put a lid on it . else stop whining

and yes I'm Catholic , who fearth god and eschews evil. but you don't have to prostrate yourself before you. I'm humble person.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 09, 2017, 09:28:28 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 09, 2017, 06:02:22 AM
@Unibeliver . come here . your turn. Sit.  , you told me fuck you in my other post . when I tried to excuse you some by attributing it to my exchange with Mike you went and incriminated yourself further and said no you, meaning me. Two things . you need to apologize to me.  If you get arrested keep your mouth shut  at all times . and stop whining about long text. Its not . I’m teaching you. You should thank me

Get used to disappointment.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 09, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Ibn ... while I love history, and there have been many battles, some of my ancestors in them ... I am not interested in rehashing old fights.  I choose to love mankind, be a religious humanist, in my own way ... that is enough.  As you can see, I choose to love ... and hate.  Why?  Because loving includes loving to hate ;-)  What else can a human being do?  Did you check out the link on Ibn Batut?.  Really fine research.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 09, 2017, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 09, 2017, 06:02:22 AM


@ Mike come here . sit. you called me asshole in my other post. You need to apologize to me and ask for my forgiveness . you’re not being good role model. You need  to work on that . and stop babbling .you alwasy talk that bar talk.stop that shit


Oh--sorry, did not call you asshole in my last post to you--let me fix that, asshole.  And you would know more about bar talk that I.  I did call you a blow fish, since what you do, and only do, is blowviate.  And it would be nice if you could learn to spell and use sentences.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 09, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 09, 2017, 06:02:22 AM

and yes I'm Catholic , who fearth god and eschews evil. but you don't have to prostrate yourself before you. I'm humble person.
Since you 'eschews evil', then you must be anti-catholic.  Why?  The catholic church is one of the more evil organizations on earth.  So, you either work against evil and therefore are really anti-catholic or you are lying.  I suspect you are lying--why, because you are a theist; you can't help yourself.  So, blow fish, why not seek some help for your mental illness???
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 09, 2017, 11:25:54 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 09, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
Since you 'eschews evil', then you must be anti-catholic.  Why?  The catholic church is one of the more evil organizations on earth.  So, you either work against evil and therefore are really anti-catholic or you are lying.  I suspect you are lying--why, because you are a theist; you can't help yourself.  So, blow fish, why not seek some help for your mental illness???

Or to put it in religious terms: Do not be yoked together with the corrupt Catholic church. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 06:34:19 AM
 What the hell is all this nonsense ?

Look downtrodden people , I’m not in a good mood today .i don’t find you amusing . I have to be in the mood . my mother sent me guerrilla  woman to attend to me since my woman is an European incapacitated by her European lack of proper upbringing and don’t know how to be a useful wife. .today the guerrilla she woman scratched my shoes . a simple job that involves applying shit and polishing shit she can’t do right .i call my mother and I ask her why did  she sent me a  guerrilla who should be swinging from tree branch to tree branch .what did I do to you mother ?  she gives me senile answers just like this barouch person.i hang up. I am not talking to her for a whole week.

Barouch taal. What the hell are you talking about old man? What rehash old fights and love and hate ? what the hell are you on about , old man? Woman dumped your old behind go see a shrink . I’m not a shrink barouch  . and when a woman dumps me it makes me happy because I am rid of her . its not easy to get rid of a woman because they are leaches who won’t leave .they are super glue band aid shit . so I don’t even relate to your pathetic childish immature remonstrations feelings of inadequacy shit and I bet she was ugly as sin . two ugly things .ugly couple Barocu and wife .  you’re ugly barouch like that ugly picture you got up there  . why don’t you got throw yourself off of a cliff or something and end your miserable pointless existence . time you did the right thing . . .

Listen,  love yourself first . that means stop lying and dissembling  and talking out of your rear end . use your mouth when you talk . god gave you a mouth to talk with . use it . and put a plug in your rear end if you can’t help it . . humar

Look at that other buffoon Mike .what the hell.  mike do NOT try to use  conditional clauses . you can’t . what is it with you mike? Are you high school drop out or some shit ? enough with the retarded  bar talk I said. 

What’s up with that crap catholic church this and catholic that  ?what am I supposed to say to that ? oh oh come sit balckleaf,have a seat ,  you wanna talk about it ? what did the catholic church do to you ? they hurt you boy ? go to a shrink then. Get  you a sedative or some shit and get the hell out of my face before I do something to you . take the whole bottle and strip butt naked and dance in the middle of the square catholic church catholic how I want you how I need you .  and the answer is gonna be no. the catholic church don’t want you and martin Luther was cheat and interloping con artist  and you are just another part . did I or did I not say in my fucking OP repeating machine ? DIDn’t I ?????????????????? .
and look at shit head unbelivered . nature istefl is disappointed with you . missing link .
morons everywhere i go .
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 10, 2017, 06:48:12 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 06:34:19 AM
What the hell is all this nonsense ?


yeah that's kinda the reaction I had to the OP.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 10, 2017, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 06:34:19 AM
What the hell is all this nonsense ?


You do spew a bunch of it, and mostly all at once.  You dedicate your life to one fiction or another and you expect us to applause????  The kindest thing I can say about you, blow fish, is that you are simply fucking stupid.  And stupid cannot be fixed.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 10, 2017, 09:05:09 AM
Ibn Khaldun, why do you write guerilla woman when you mean gorilla woman?

Do you still treat women like a Muslim?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 10, 2017, 09:24:23 AM
I think Ibn maybe comes here just to practice writing English, which he obviously needs a lot more practice at.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 10, 2017, 09:05:09 AM
Ibn Khaldun, why do you write guerilla woman when you mean gorilla woman?

Do you still treat women like a Muslim?

Maybe he was being funny ... mixing up African women with warriors.  Look at the spelling.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Shiranu on September 10, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
You're boring.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2017, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on September 10, 2017, 09:55:54 AM
You're boring.

He is.  I was hoping for so much more ;-(
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 02:58:11 PM
 @pr152
Listen and listen up very carefully. No I do not treat women like a Muslim or any kind of Muslim. That means the following…I ‘m not pedophile . I do not pleasure myself by sexually molesting  infant girls . I do not grab a child and rub her against me for the purpose of gratifying myself sexually . I do not rape women , that includes my wife . I do not beat up  women  for the purpose of disciplining them   or for any other purpose . fact of the matter my wife sometimes hits me with her hand or with something else . like   the other day with the new paper while yelling at me not to talk to her thata way because she is my wife. And even though with one swipe of my hand I can send her flying across the room, and despite the fact I’m a man who killed his first man when I was 12 years old and killed my second man when I was 17 years old. The menses doesn’t make my wife unclean to me. I do not believe my wife is equal to a donkey or a dog .i do not believe my wife is deficient in mind and religion .i don’t believe in owning slave women . I don’t approve or condone slavery fo women or anyone for that matter . I do not condone women booty .  she can dress any way she likes .I can go and on and list all the shit Islam believes the woman to be and how she can and should be treated , but I think you get the idea.in short I’m not Mohammed or anything like him.

In my life is a woman who eyes are like the glory of god, whose lips are like vine intertwined , whose laughter is like melodious tunes and whose hair flows softly down  and  breaks and curls  on the edge like the water fall . my wife is a woman my heart loves . she is the world .

I have a sister who is lesbian . she resides in the west . she asked me to donate my sperm to her woman . I did . the world could always use people like me , you know .they world need people like me . else the world will be  all barouch and unbelivered and mike and we would quickly devolve back to protozoa origin or something .

The guerrilla is the third creature.i call her that .  She is female but asexual.  Best guards are them first and second eunuchs .believe or not even though I’m built like a bull but this woman is almost as strong and can move as fast as leopard.  extremely deadly with blade . better in terms of poisons. Desert arab women are expert in poisons derived from roots and shrubs, for example.   She can tell from smell and taste .. tall husky but elegant woman. very presentable in public though Small boobs , no butt sticking out . nothing voluptuous I mean.
Hope that answered your question
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: aitm on September 10, 2017, 03:12:04 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 02:58:11 PM
  like   the other day with the new paper while yelling at me not to talk to her thata way because she is my wife.
so you admit you talk so poorly to her that she yells at you to be more respectful?

Quoteand despite the fact I’m a man who killed his first man when I was 12 years old and killed my second man when I was 17 years old.
perhaps by swallowing?

Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 10, 2017, 03:20:00 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 02:58:11 PM
the world could always use people like me

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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 10, 2017, 03:42:55 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 02:58:11 PM
@pr152
Listen and listen up very carefully. No I do not treat women like a Muslim or any kind of Muslim. That means the following…I ‘m not pedophile . I do not pleasure myself by sexually molesting  infant girls . I do not grab a child and rub her against me for the purpose of gratifying myself sexually . I do not rape women , that includes my wife . I do not beat up  women  for the purpose of disciplining them   or for any other purpose . fact of the matter my wife sometimes hits me with her hand or with something else . like   the other day with the new paper while yelling at me not to talk to her thata way because she is my wife. And even though with one swipe of my hand I can send her flying across the room, and despite the fact I’m a man who killed his first man when I was 12 years old and killed my second man when I was 17 years old. The menses doesn’t make my wife unclean to me. I do not believe my wife is equal to a donkey or a dog .i do not believe my wife is deficient in mind and religion .i don’t believe in owning slave women . I don’t approve or condone slavery fo women or anyone for that matter . I do not condone women booty .  she can dress any way she likes .I can go and on and list all the shit Islam believes the woman to be and how she can and should be treated , but I think you get the idea.in short I’m not Mohammed or anything like him.

In my life is a woman who eyes are like the glory of god, whose lips are like vine intertwined , whose laughter is like melodious tunes and whose hair flows softly down  and  breaks and curls  on the edge like the water fall . my wife is a woman my heart loves . she is the world .

I have a sister who is lesbian . she resides in the west . she asked me to donate my sperm to her woman . I did . the world could always use people like me , you know .they world need people like me . else the world will be  all barouch and unbelivered and mike and we would quickly devolve back to protozoa origin or something .

The guerrilla is the third creature.i call her that .  She is female but asexual.  Best guards are them first and second eunuchs .believe or not even though I’m built like a bull but this woman is almost as strong and can move as fast as leopard.  extremely deadly with blade . better in terms of poisons. Desert arab women are expert in poisons derived from roots and shrubs, for example.   She can tell from smell and taste .. tall husky but elegant woman. very presentable in public though Small boobs , no butt sticking out . nothing voluptuous I mean.
Hope that answered your question
Not impressed. As I said--a blow fish, blowviating.  And that's all.  I admire nothing about you.   
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 10, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 06:34:19 AM
What the hell is all this nonsense ?
My typical reaction to your posts.

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 10, 2017, 06:34:19 AM
What’s up with that crap catholic church this and catholic that?
Simple.  The Roman Catholic Church is, quite simply, corrupt to its core as an organization.  Individual Catholics, probably not.  The organization, definitely.

I knew the priest who repeatedly raped the girl who grew up to found Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivors_Network_of_those_Abused_by_Priests).  He taught at my school.  He taught one of my classesAfter his repeated rapes of Barbara Blaine.  The church knew he was a rapist, and instead of handing him over to the police, they assigned him to an all boys' school because he only raped underage girls, not underage boys.

We had no idea, of course.  I only found out decades later.  And we treated this criminal piece of shit with all the respect we'd been raised to treat priests with.

Because they lied to us.

Because the order came down from Joseph Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI, to shield and protect the rapists rather than pursue justice for the victims.  There is no sugar-coating that, no excusing that.  Never.

Don't even pretend that the Roman Catholic Church is anything other than a corrupt and criminal organization.  I will grant that individual Catholics can be, even are, good people as individuals.  I will not grant that to the church as an organization, and you cannot ever convince me that the Catholic Church is a force for good in this world.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 10, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
The Catholic Church was the Anti-Christ from the beginning - it ruined the original Christianity with its patriarchal hierarchy based on Peter -  the one person who denied Christ 3 times.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 10, 2017, 10:32:22 PM
The Catholic Church was the Anti-Christ from the beginning - it ruined the original Christianity with its patriarchal hierarchy based on Peter -  the one person who denied Christ 3 times.

Well, there is the question of whether there was a Jesus and the apostles at all.  Most christian writings are from generations after the claimed dates.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Well, there is the question of whether there was a Jesus and the apostles at all.  Most christian writings are from generations after the claimed dates.

True, but pointless.  By the time of Constantine, what the reorganized Church could do for the Roman government, was the thing.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 02:16:56 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
True, but pointless.  By the time of Constantine, what the reorganized Church could do for the Roman government, was the thing.

So you agree all the biblical writings were created well after the claimed times?  Impressive admission.  A step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Let me do a quick recap before aitm the moderator locks this thread to save your behinds as he/she has  done in the past  . that’s why he is here . I sense panic in the air . mamma  aitm come  to rescue you atheists from further whopping by yours truly. That’s what I do I whip you good . I trample on you . I subdue you. I got to do it though before aitm locks the shit
I’m  the Catholic who  came saw and conquered . In my OP I named you , I said atheists , and I said I shall wipe my nose on ya leaving a  trail of dinkies . I did and there was nothing you could do about it but whine and be dinkies everywhere . Dinkies are everywhere , dinkies  are falling from the sky .let there be dinkies and there was dinkies. Defeated , humiliated ,trampled upon by me  , stomped upon by me , subdued by me , you did what every dinky does which is  slipping and sliding and non stop patter about anything but the OP and distractions and irrelevancies instead of good faith examining of the OP and ask and answer questions. And this is all great because it means you conceded . talk about TKO. 

You say my OP is long  . Mohammed abd al wahab was right about you. You’re the look alike of  men but are not men , with the dreams of infants and brains of the wearers of jewelery .. I say if you flee from an OP, you flee faster from the sharp edge of the sword . Ugliness is you . you are the target to be shot at  . you’re the conquered who do not conquer. You fill my heart with rage and you make me breath the cowardice you exhale .but as a Catholic I forgive you. I pardon you. No you don’t have to prostrate  yourself before me and kiss my foot .you have Higgins syndrome.  this Higgins syndrome could be infectious .

Instead of addressing the OP, Barouch brings his marital trials  and tribulations and whines to me about it. Mike , just because your mom didn’t bring you your xmass present and you walked in the room and there was a  man on top of her under the xmass tree  that doesn’t mean xmass is just fiction. It doesn’t Mike . there is nothing wrong with fiction Mike , not unless fiction crosses the line as in Khomeini or Islam legislating that it is lawful to finger and sexually gratify oneself with the little child . fiction is great otherwise. I grab Virgil, I open any page and find  much wisdom to be learned .  but when fiction crosses the lines as in Islam and fosters pedophilia and rape and slavery and all that bad morality as per my previous post then fiction is not good Mike. 

I want to see high school certificate before you open your mouth again.You too, trdsf , I want to see a high school certificate. Co coordinating  organization with individuals is symptomatic  of high school drop outs lack of education  and bar talk.
And now you want to turn this into catholic  this and that catholic as the  brain washed and programmed robot you’re. give eth doggie bone. Dog with bone. Fools thinking you can find refuge in what was shoved down your throat . lets  see if you have the guts and wherewithal to stand the course you yourself have plotted for yourself . I’m going to stomp you again and again . hi   

I think your hate for the catholic church can be traced to abuse at home. You blame the Church for not protecting you from those who raised you.Its not the Church fault.  you want that type of governance   .

This sad case of home based abuse was just referenced by one high school drop out from  among you , a   Barbara Blaine, who was recently fired from snap. Check this  report by Chicago post and other outlets…

…. Rev. Joseph Jiang sued SNAP after the group falsely accused him of being a pedophile, a federal judge ruled that SNAP maliciously defamed him "negligently and with reckless disregard for the truth" and ordered that SNAP must "pay the reasonable expenses, including plaintiff's attorney's fees “  …”Other priests are suing for false accusations too…” .

It takes an extremely inept and stupid  atheist to reference such a piece of works like Barbara .Jesus was right to call you fools.

Give it a rest. this bullshit about catholic  sexual abuse shit is outdated . you're  behind times  atheist high school drop outs. while it was not it was great stuff the Church used to promote itself. Thanks for making the church look like a victim . dummines.  .

Look with the little people, the commoners, the downtrodden (you know who you are ) you can trace the hate of the Catholic church  to food, sex, and security -- little people as opposed to the masters ( Ahem) who make the rules for the wise men and  the fools . what they place on my desk is shit like  world food formula among other shit  ,etc .

Lets test. All your screen names lead prove it  . one is an obvious example which is  Munch. .it call itself Munch.This is routine.   you  get up and you munch, you stuff your face and call it breakfast , then you munch and munch and then you stuff your face and call it lunch , then you munch and munch and munch and then you stuff your face and call it dinner .  if I threaten that routine you get very agitated and you do like the chimp troop, eek eak eek. pandemonium ensues . revolution. . no good. And  Barouch because he is old he gets  shoved to the side , he doesn’t get any bananas to eat and starves to death. I can’t let that happen. I got to sit and always figure ways that food formula is working right .

Hey you should look up this study when they threw a  large bunch of bananas in the middle  of chimpanzee troop. Chaos for sure but you look carefully you will see yourself .its definitely  food .

the draw back though , if you fill the tummy of the chimp it starts to act up. In some pretty successful regimes the policy is to starve you . they say , starve your dog and it will follow you obediently. The Catholic church enjoins you to fast so the regime doesn’t control you via food . The Church tells you do not eat fat and sugar .  its not good for you . but you do not listen to the church because you’re addicted to fat and sugar .all you do is eat shit and then fart online . this style of population control has serious limits.

Here is a claim , I make. Take one city public school and the sexual abuse that occurs in that city school is more than all the sexual abuses that happen in all the catholic schools world wide combined . I’ve a question if sex abuse is so important to you shouldn’t you be more focused on public schools ? because its not about that . its about exploiting abuse to carry out your agenda .which makes you what ? scum of the earth . right?

In Pakistan in one study in oen region over 2000 cases of rape of young boys  attending Islamic madrasas was documented in one school year. .

Catholci schools in Muslim majority countries have been having a serious issues as we speak . this is going on right now with lot of pressure weighing in by  human rights orgs , US admin and Euo . basically Muslims well to do families insist on sending their kids to catholic schools .  the end result higher scale catholic schools have over 90% of their students as Muslims or there about . the regimes of those countries want to mandate Sunday  as a working school day. The families of those Muslims students are campaigning on the side of the church and against the regimes . after all they are sending their kids there because its safer with slim chance of their kids being sexually abused as is the case with Muslims run schools . if they make Sunday a school day then they loose out in terms of the priests and nuns  overseeing day to day school operations .

Back to Islamic madrasa school. You got a common phenomena there , what they call  Walad AL Shiekh .  that means child of Al Sheikh .every time you hear that phrase in reference to any of the madrasa  school kids then you conclude that’s the Sheikhs favorite sex toy  from among the rest of the other kids he molests sexually.  When a man grows up and does not get married , doesn’t like women, we call him walad al Shiekh .

There is another word for them which is Tyer . Tyer AL Shiekh he is called. It’s a teenage boy that the big time Sheikh sodomzies  and is part of  the Sheikh house hold. Here is a word of advice. If you want the Shiekh to sign the paper and the business contract  deal to go through make sure you keep your cool because that Tyer is there to be insolent and act up to intimidate you into  softening your negotiation in terms of royalties or whatever happen to be the case. Like something that happened in this forum. I slapped Mike and unbeliever came running in his defense . so you can look at it that .so  Mike is unibeliever Tyer . 

So lets see, look from  the get go I personally have issues with Catholic social justice. It leans too much to the left in my opinion. Be that as it may I owe obedience to the  church . so that’s  that . but other areas , as war , justice, value of life, morality, moral science ,  law theories, governance , etc . open a new post and I promise to tear you up new asshole. You may count on it . one exception I do not debate Christians on Christianity .evangelists I see them as my brothers.

*** yawn***
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 05:30:42 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Let me do a quick recap before aitm the moderator locks this thread to save your behinds as he/she has  done in the past  . that’s why he is here . I sense panic in the air . mamma  aitm come  to rescue you atheists from further whopping by yours truly. That’s what I do I whip you good . I trample on you . I subdue you. I got to do it though before aitm locks the shit
I’m  the Catholic who  came saw and conquered . In my OP I named you , I said atheists , and I said I shall wipe my nose on ya leaving a  trail of dinkies . I did and there was nothing you could do about it but whine and be dinkies everywhere . Dinkies are everywhere , dinkies  are falling from the sky .let there be dinkies and there was dinkies. Defeated , humiliated ,trampled upon by me  , stomped upon by me , subdued by me , you did what every dinky does which is  slipping and sliding and non stop patter about anything but the OP and distractions and irrelevancies instead of good faith examining of the OP and ask and answer questions. And this is all great because it means you conceded . talk about TKO. 

You say my OP is long  . Mohammed abd al wahab was right about you. You’re the look alike of  men but are not men , with the dreams of infants and brains of the wearers of jewelery .. I say if you flee from an OP, you flee faster from the sharp edge of the sword . Ugliness is you . you are the target to be shot at  . you’re the conquered who do not conquer. You fill my heart with rage and you make me breath the cowardice you exhale .but as a Catholic I forgive you. I pardon you. No you don’t have to prostrate  yourself before me and kiss my foot .you have Higgins syndrome.  this Higgins syndrome could be infectious .

Instead of addressing the OP, Barouch brings his marital trials  and tribulations and whines to me about it. Mike , just because your mom didn’t bring you your xmass present and you walked in the room and there was a  man on top of her under the xmass tree  that doesn’t mean xmass is just fiction. It doesn’t Mike . there is nothing wrong with fiction Mike , not unless fiction crosses the line as in Khomeini or Islam legislating that it is lawful to finger and sexually gratify oneself with the little child . fiction is great otherwise. I grab Virgil, I open any page and find  much wisdom to be learned .  but when fiction crosses the lines as in Islam and fosters pedophilia and rape and slavery and all that bad morality as per my previous post then fiction is not good Mike. 

I want to see high school certificate before you open your mouth again.You too, trdsf , I want to see a high school certificate. Co coordinating  organization with individuals is symptomatic  of high school drop outs lack of education  and bar talk.
And now you want to turn this into catholic  this and that catholic as the  brain washed and programmed robot you’re. give eth doggie bone. Dog with bone. Fools thinking you can find refuge in what was shoved down your throat . lets  see if you have the guts and wherewithal to stand the course you yourself have plotted for yourself . I’m going to stomp you again and again . hi   

I think your hate for the catholic church can be traced to abuse at home. You blame the Church for not protecting you from those who raised you.Its not the Church fault.  you want that type of governance   .

This sad case of home based abuse was just referenced by one high school drop out from  among you , a   Barbara Blaine, who was recently fired from snap. Check this  report by Chicago post and other outlets…

…. Rev. Joseph Jiang sued SNAP after the group falsely accused him of being a pedophile, a federal judge ruled that SNAP maliciously defamed him "negligently and with reckless disregard for the truth" and ordered that SNAP must "pay the reasonable expenses, including plaintiff's attorney's fees “  …”Other priests are suing for false accusations too…” .

It takes an extremely inept and stupid  atheist to reference such a piece of works like Barbara .Jesus was right to call you fools.

Give it a rest. this bullshit about catholic  sexual abuse shit is outdated . you're  behind times  atheist high school drop outs. while it was not it was great stuff the Church used to promote itself. Thanks for making the church look like a victim . dummines.  .

Look with the little people, the commoners, the downtrodden (you know who you are ) you can trace the hate of the Catholic church  to food, sex, and security -- little people as opposed to the masters ( Ahem) who make the rules for the wise men and  the fools . what they place on my desk is shit like  world food formula among other shit  ,etc .

Lets test. All your screen names lead prove it  . one is an obvious example which is  Munch. .it call itself Munch.This is routine.   you  get up and you munch, you stuff your face and call it breakfast , then you munch and munch and then you stuff your face and call it lunch , then you munch and munch and munch and then you stuff your face and call it dinner .  if I threaten that routine you get very agitated and you do like the chimp troop, eek eak eek. pandemonium ensues . revolution. . no good. And  Barouch because he is old he gets  shoved to the side , he doesn’t get any bananas to eat and starves to death. I can’t let that happen. I got to sit and always figure ways that food formula is working right .

Hey you should look up this study when they threw a  large bunch of bananas in the middle  of chimpanzee troop. Chaos for sure but you look carefully you will see yourself .its definitely  food .

the draw back though , if you fill the tummy of the chimp it starts to act up. In some pretty successful regimes the policy is to starve you . they say , starve your dog and it will follow you obediently. The Catholic church enjoins you to fast so the regime doesn’t control you via food . The Church tells you do not eat fat and sugar .  its not good for you . but you do not listen to the church because you’re addicted to fat and sugar .all you do is eat shit and then fart online . this style of population control has serious limits.

Here is a claim , I make. Take one city public school and the sexual abuse that occurs in that city school is more than all the sexual abuses that happen in all the catholic schools world wide combined . I’ve a question if sex abuse is so important to you shouldn’t you be more focused on public schools ? because its not about that . its about exploiting abuse to carry out your agenda .which makes you what ? scum of the earth . right?

In Pakistan in one study in oen region over 2000 cases of rape of young boys  attending Islamic madrasas was documented in one school year. .

Catholci schools in Muslim majority countries have been having a serious issues as we speak . this is going on right now with lot of pressure weighing in by  human rights orgs , US admin and Euo . basically Muslims well to do families insist on sending their kids to catholic schools .  the end result higher scale catholic schools have over 90% of their students as Muslims or there about . the regimes of those countries want to mandate Sunday  as a working school day. The families of those Muslims students are campaigning on the side of the church and against the regimes . after all they are sending their kids there because its safer with slim chance of their kids being sexually abused as is the case with Muslims run schools . if they make Sunday a school day then they loose out in terms of the priests and nuns  overseeing day to day school operations .

Back to Islamic madrasa school. You got a common phenomena there , what they call  Walad AL Shiekh .  that means child of Al Sheikh .every time you hear that phrase in reference to any of the madrasa  school kids then you conclude that’s the Sheikhs favorite sex toy  from among the rest of the other kids he molests sexually.  When a man grows up and does not get married , doesn’t like women, we call him walad al Shiekh .

There is another word for them which is Tyer . Tyer AL Shiekh he is called. It’s a teenage boy that the big time Sheikh sodomzies  and is part of  the Sheikh house hold. Here is a word of advice. If you want the Shiekh to sign the paper and the business contract  deal to go through make sure you keep your cool because that Tyer is there to be insolent and act up to intimidate you into  softening your negotiation in terms of royalties or whatever happen to be the case. Like something that happened in this forum. I slapped Mike and unbeliever came running in his defense . so you can look at it that .so  Mike is unibeliever Tyer . 

So lets see, look from  the get go I personally have issues with Catholic social justice. It leans too much to the left in my opinion. Be that as it may I owe obedience to the  church . so that’s  that . but other areas , as war , justice, value of life, morality, moral science ,  law theories, governance , etc . open a new post and I promise to tear you up new asshole. You may count on it . one exception I do not debate Christians on Christianity .evangelists I see them as my brothers.

*** yawn***

Yawn is right!  Would you please stop bothering us?  You spout utter nonsense, and your assumption you are going to convert any of us is so unlikely as to approach you drawing pictures of a naked Mohhemed. screwing his sons...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 06:04:09 AM
Cavebear . I am not here to convert anyone . Atheists talk bad  about  my religion and I have a right to criticize them  .   .
But do have you anything to say about my OP and my responses on this thread ?

Say assumptions are mistaken not unlikely . Calm  down . okay. Go have some ice cream and come back. Then carefully read my post.

I’ll have you know Barouch is my friend and I’m working to make Mike my friend and unblivered my friend too.  and even if you are “us”  there is silent majority out there reading . many more than your bunch of wankers . right?

Do not worry about Mohammed . he has his followers to defend him.

Do you take medication ? sedatives ? maybe you shouldn’t be here .

Look I stay in my posts . I do not venture out of them . just ignore them if you find them that stressful to you.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Sal1981 on September 11, 2017, 06:19:42 AM
I, for one, do not care what you have to say, Ibn. But don't let that stop you from trying to make posts.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 06:32:34 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 06:04:09 AM
Cavebear . I am not here to convert anyone . Atheists talk bad  about  my religion and I have a right to criticize them  .   .
But do have you anything to say about my OP and my responses on this thread ?

Say assumptions are mistaken not unlikely . Calm  down . okay. Go have some ice cream and come back. Then carefully read my post.

I’ll have you know Barouch is my friend and I’m working to make Mike my friend and unblivered my friend too.  and even if you are “us”  there is silent majority out there reading . many more than your bunch of wankers . right?

Do not worry about Mohammed . he has his followers to defend him.

Do you take medication ? sedatives ? maybe you shouldn’t be here .

Look I stay in my posts . I do not venture out of them . just ignore them if you find them that stressful to you.

Ibn, if it isn't already clear, I consider all theists of whatever persuasion to be complete idiots and you one of the most complete.

You lecture us in your particular one and are shocked we do "see the light". 

We are atheists here (mostly) and I don't really care about the ones who aren't.  As one Administrator said, you theists who come here are mostly candy toys to us.  So don't get all bent out of shape when we laugh at your expense and make jokes about your posts. 

I would just as soon you left.  I can't stop you from posting, but at least don't think you are convincing anyone.  OK?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 09:01:30 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
I want to see high school certificate before you open your mouth again.You too, trdsf , I want to see a high school certificate. Co coordinating  organization with individuals is symptomatic  of high school drop outs lack of education  and bar talk.
And now you want to turn this into catholic  this and that catholic as the  brain washed and programmed robot you’re. give eth doggie bone. Dog with bone. Fools thinking you can find refuge in what was shoved down your throat . lets  see if you have the guts and wherewithal to stand the course you yourself have plotted for yourself . I’m going to stomp you again and again . hi   

I think your hate for the catholic church can be traced to abuse at home. You blame the Church for not protecting you from those who raised you.Its not the Church fault.  you want that type of governance   .
You know nothing about my childhood, my home life, how I was raised and who did the raising.  And you have the gall to make a statement like this.  Well, there's a good reason do dismiss anything and everything you have said and will say.

As for my intestinal fortitude to stand on my own ground and on my own positions -- I so do.  I state in your face that there is no god and that you are deluding yourself.  If there is a divine authority of any sort, let him/her/it/them demonstrate it.  Until then, you yourself have nothing to stand on.

If you don't like the fact -- yes, fact -- that your church defends the rapists and not the victims, that's your problem and I can only feel sorry for someone so completely and blindly indoctrinated that they are no longer capable of simple human decency and empathy.

Lastly, I would show you my "certificate" (they're actually called diplomas -- you're welcome), but based on your writing 'style' I'm not convinced you're sufficiently literate to be able actually read it.  Let's see yours first.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 09:01:30 AM
You know nothing about my childhood, my home life, how I was raised and who did the raising.  And you have the gall to make a statement like this.  Well, there's a good reason do dismiss anything and everything you have said and will say.

As for my intestinal fortitude to stand on my own ground and on my own positions -- I so do.  I state in your face that there is no god and that you are deluding yourself.  If there is a divine authority of any sort, let him/her/it/them demonstrate it.  Until then, you yourself have nothing to stand on.

If you don't like the fact -- yes, fact -- that your church defends the rapists and not the victims, that's your problem and I can only feel sorry for someone so completely and blindly indoctrinated that they are no longer capable of simple human decency and empathy.

Lastly, I would show you my "certificate" (they're actually called diplomas -- you're welcome), but based on your writing 'style' I'm not convinced you're sufficiently literate to be able actually read it.  Let's see yours first.

Well said.  Hear hear!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 11, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 06:04:09 AM
Cavebear . I am not here to convert anyone . Atheists talk bad  about  my religion and I have a right to criticize them  .   .
But do have you anything to say about my OP and my responses on this thread ?

Say assumptions are mistaken not unlikely . Calm  down . okay. Go have some ice cream and come back. Then carefully read my post.

I’ll have you know Barouch is my friend and I’m working to make Mike my friend and unblivered my friend too.  and even if you are “us”  there is silent majority out there reading . many more than your bunch of wankers . right?

Do not worry about Mohammed . he has his followers to defend him.

Do you take medication ? sedatives ? maybe you shouldn’t be here .

Look I stay in my posts . I do not venture out of them . just ignore them if you find them that stressful to you.
I am not Cavebear.  But what you post is always inane.  It has no meaning.  And I now mostly don't read them--never all of them.  it's not stressful, for you are more of a comic relief than anything.  You talk fictional stuff and expect to stress us????  You are a blow fish and just blowviates--and that is as good as you get.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 11, 2017, 09:22:45 AM
look, the guy is a religious troll, which is how most of the worst kinds of preachers are, learning the ways of gum gabbing, or in this case mangled text, because throwing verbal diarrhea at people either online or irl is the only means of achieve external validation for themselves.

An intelligent person is one who can listen as well as speak, process it, and adapt. When you lose the ability to empathize with others, find a middle ground in conversation, and just want to yell at them from your bubble, they are not worth bothering with.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 09:34:15 AM
Impressive posts both of you, Munch and Mike CL.  Loved them.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 11, 2017, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 02:16:56 AM
So you agree all the biblical writings were created well after the claimed times?  Impressive admission.  A step in the right direction.

Baruch isn't a Christian nutcase. He's an altogether different kind of nut. lol. He agrees that the Bible is BS, at least as far as history is concerned. He even considers god to be malevolent, but then he also believes all us are demigods, so he's probably also saying that we're malevolent. Just be sure you don't lump him in with the other theists. He's very atypical.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 11, 2017, 10:32:01 AM
and thats why I appreciate what he has to say.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 11, 2017, 10:28:52 AM
Baruch isn't a Christian nutcase. He's an altogether different kind of nut. lol. He agrees that the Bible is BS, at least as far as history is concerned. He even considers god to be malevolent, but then he also believes all us are demigods, so he's probably also saying that we're malevolent. Just be sure you don't lump him in with the other theists. He's very atypical.

I agree that Baruch isn't your average theist.  But he still is one and don't forget that.  Just as the theists say "beware the clever atheist", I say "beware the clever theist". 

I have argued with Jesuits and he reminds me of them.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 10:55:11 AM
Baruch could search for a black cat that isn't there in a dark room and find it.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 10:58:51 AM
Tell you what, we're going to take another look at this post.  There's a few things in here that raise some serious red flags about its author.

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Barbara Blaine, who was recently fired from snap. Check this  report by Chicago post and other outlets…

…. Rev. Joseph Jiang sued SNAP after the group falsely accused him of being a pedophile, a federal judge ruled that SNAP maliciously defamed him "negligently and with reckless disregard for the truth" and ordered that SNAP must "pay the reasonable expenses, including plaintiff's attorney's fees “  …”Other priests are suing for false accusations too…” .

Even if I posit for the sake of argument that Ms Blaine is a bad person, in what possible way does that justify or mitigate her being raped repeatedly by a priest when she was a minor?

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Give it a rest. this bullshit about catholic  sexual abuse shit is outdated . you're  behind times  atheist high school drop outs. while it was not it was great stuff the Church used to promote itself. Thanks for making the church look like a victim . dummines.  .

Outdated, really?  I wasn't aware there was a theological statute of limitations.  So child rape by Catholic priests is okay now because the clock ran out.

Hey, slavery is outdated.  Guess that means it's okay now.

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Here is a claim , I make. Take one city public school and the sexual abuse that occurs in that city school is more than all the sexual abuses that happen in all the catholic schools world wide combined . I’ve a question if sex abuse is so important to you shouldn’t you be more focused on public schools ? because its not about that . its about exploiting abuse to carry out your agenda .which makes you what ? scum of the earth . right?

Let's see your documentation that there's more sexual abuse in public schools than in Catholic schools.  You don't just get to make this statement and walk away without offering proof.

Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Back to Islamic madrasa school. You got a common phenomena there , what they call  Walad AL Shiekh .  that means child of Al Sheikh .every time you hear that phrase in reference to any of the madrasa  school kids then you conclude that’s the Sheikhs favorite sex toy  from among the rest of the other kids he molests sexually.  When a man grows up and does not get married , doesn’t like women, we call him walad al Shiekh .

There is another word for them which is Tyer . Tyer AL Shiekh he is called. It’s a teenage boy that the big time Sheikh sodomzies  and is part of  the Sheikh house hold. Here is a word of advice. If you want the Shiekh to sign the paper and the business contract  deal to go through make sure you keep your cool because that Tyer is there to be insolent and act up to intimidate you into  softening your negotiation in terms of royalties or whatever happen to be the case. Like something that happened in this forum. I slapped Mike and unbeliever came running in his defense . so you can look at it that .so  Mike is unibeliever Tyer . 

Ah, and because sexual abuse happens in other religions, it's okay when Catholic priests do it.

This is what religion does to people.  It makes someone whom I shall assume to otherwise be psychologically normal go out of their way to excuse the systematic rape of children and the protection of the rapists rather than the victims.  You realize you just attacked the victim, tried to handwave away the seriousness of the crime, and then tried to relativize the action by pointing at other places it happened?

Are you even dimly aware of just how evil a thing you've written here?

Is the phrase, "Yes, abuses were committed and the church has a lot of work to do to both punish the criminals and to regain the trust of the community" that impossible to say?

But no.  You pretend there is no abuse, or that your church is the victim.  You think that its okay for an adolescent girl to be repeatedly raped by a man she was told by her church to trust completely.  You think that it's okay even if it did happen because it happened in the past.  You think that it's okay because you make up a lie about it being as pervasive in non-religious schools so you can pretend to yourself that it's worse elsewhere.  You think that it's okay because other religions do it too.  And you wrap it all up with miscellaneous ad hominems and make up wild claims about people you can't possibly know about.

I repeat: this is what religion does to people.

Unless there is something structurally wrong with, or some gross injury you've suffered to, your brain, somewhere inside you is a morally normal person.  Please find him and put him back in charge of your self again.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 10:58:51 AM
Tell you what, we're going to take another look at this post.  There's a few things in here that raise some serious red flags about its author.

Even if I posit for the sake of argument that Ms Blaine is a bad person, in what possible way does that justify or mitigate her being raped repeatedly by a priest when she was a minor?

Outdated, really?  I wasn't aware there was a theological statute of limitations.  So child rape by Catholic priests is okay now because the clock ran out.

Hey, slavery is outdated.  Guess that means it's okay now.

Let's see your documentation that there's more sexual abuse in public schools than in Catholic schools.  You don't just get to make this statement and walk away without offering proof.

Ah, and because sexual abuse happens in other religions, it's okay when Catholic priests do it.

This is what religion does to people.  It makes someone whom I shall assume to otherwise be psychologically normal go out of their way to excuse the systematic rape of children and the protection of the rapists rather than the victims.  You realize you just attacked the victim, tried to handwave away the seriousness of the crime, and then tried to relativize the action by pointing at other places it happened?

Are you even dimly aware of just how evil a thing you've written here?

Is the phrase, "Yes, abuses were committed and the church has a lot of work to do to both punish the criminals and to regain the trust of the community" that impossible to say?

But no.  You pretend there is no abuse, or that your church is the victim.  You think that its okay for an adolescent girl to be repeatedly raped by a man she was told by her church to trust completely.  You think that it's okay even if it did happen because it happened in the past.  You think that it's okay because you make up a lie about it being as pervasive in non-religious schools so you can pretend to yourself that it's worse elsewhere.  You think that it's okay because other religions do it too.  And you wrap it all up with miscellaneous ad hominems and make up wild claims about people you can't possibly know about.

I repeat: this is what religion does to people.

Unless there is something structurally wrong with, or some gross injury you've suffered to, your brain, somewhere inside you is a morally normal person.  Please find him and put him back in charge of your self again.

I agree.  Religiosity is not a reason to forgive crimes.  They get away with too much. 

As the police should be most punished for committing crimes and laywers for breaking the law, religious shamans should be held very accountable for moral failings.  It's their jobs and trusted in those aspects.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
Some people seek such positions of trust in order to better get away with their nefarious schemes. Once they're above suspicion they need to be more closely watched, but society hasn't figured that out yet.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 11:17:38 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
Some people seek such positions of trust in order to better get away with their nefarious schemes. Once they're above suspicion they need to be more closely watched, but society hasn't figured that out yet.

Some of us have...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on September 11, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 11, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
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Love.  Give me a "ready room" summary later.  LOL!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Okay what is it  this time ? you are exasperating you know that ? aaaah 

Once again you have failed to address my op. I cited you as ones who claim that bible was copied from pagan religions and I trampled on  those claims made by atheists  and trashed them  and showed they were  bullshit  .that is a fact. I whipped you and stomped on you. Every time you open your big mouth without addressing my OP it  is another TK delivered by me and shows you for the bunch of phony pretenders that you are . you got nothing to offer but fast talk and personal attacks and the amazing thing you talk about my English when you know its my second language and when you yourself can’t  form proper sentences and screw up on shit like conditional clauses like that clown Mike or cavebear who says assumptions are unlikely . you can’t even speak properly in your own native tongues .guys I beat you in your medium . what more can I do ? .  .

Trdsf. You’re little too little and a little too late . that Barabra crap  that was about who you are . And stop flattering yourself .  who cares about your life . I don’t care . I was talking about your Barbara bullshit . in  context of you . as to your childhood , I guess single parent broken home shit . what else ?you wanna talk about it ? not interested . take it up with a shrink . I couldn’t careless .

yes you’re programmed robot. You heard about  her  from one of your numbers and swallowed the shit hook and bait  . . that says you are high school drop out.  you are bar talk . you are repeating machine . I don’t have to know your history  to tell that you are . that Barbara shit is enough to define  you as repeating machine . in real life I would tell you do not call us , we will call you and then throw your file in the  trash .that blunder by  you is  indication you are high school drop out . you have never been to an interview except maybe to get you criminal record checked . there are no second chances . you got caught with your pants down.

I want to ask you a question . why are you talking to me about this when the OP is talking about something else? Don ‘t you feel funny about that ?is it because you are corrupt and lack honor ? you don’t even know it .

Look here is the  way I feel about it .  your European or American catholic priest  is you . they came from you.  you are the problem. That’s who you are and what you do.  I don’t go for that shit this is the priest and this is you. I don’t see that distinction. You do it in church , you do it in the police, in school , in colleges any fucking where .you’re decadent society about to wither away and disappear . I'm sorry . really am

Look at that cavebear . cavebear in my introduction post said he researched surat al fateha in Wikipedia and based on that research he gave a totally false account of surat al fateha . total bullshit and yet still cavebear has no problem showing its  face here . that’s who you are .

you lack honor and its  no surprise you turn priests like you .  you’re the problem . and the good news there are fewer and fewer of your defective kind joining the ranks and soon we will be rid of you and move the Vatican to Africa. End of story
You are woody Allen. You screw the woman then her mother and you marry your adopted daughter and you applaud and celebrate him .Islam is the way for you .  .

Don’t give me this shit about priests and shit because you are not different from them and I bet much worse. They come from you for god sake . save the crocodile tears for someone else .there is nothing you can tell me about you. I lived among you and I know . fix yourself first then your priest will be fixed . but you can’t .

all the same you made a decent effort . for someone with your challenges I admire that . . Look just one catholic parish is pretty complicated set up. I’ve been consulted once or twice .  I looked , there are problems but solutions are hard .the church is the first to admit that there are no solutions because you can’t be fixed. .

they are not really as “core “ based as you think. There’re  many competing factions within ., its an extremely delicate balance and they don’t have an army and they are spread world wide under different jurisprudences and  lot of the  shit  are actually self reliant . those parishes in third world countries are . .

you have no idea how complex the shit is . it boggles my mind that catholic church can keep it  together  . its like a miracle in a way .

identifying the problem is no big deal. The problem are the solutions and the benefits from them .

did you see when the Pope visits third world countries they come out in  the hundred of thousands to greet him ? its food formula, health care ,fuel,  education and and and , not to mention other shit  that can kill people by the millions .  . that shit of coming out in large numbers gives the Pope the sort of clout that comes in handy

. and then you got to throw in the various orders and orgs within orgs and all the other shit I won’t speak about and the politics . shit the politics how devious that shit is.  layered shit on top of each there . .  they twist the arms of the Vatican  . you got layered shit on top of each other from so many powers that be out there .

  there’re  no solutions and I am totally with you on pedophiles should be exterminated and exposed and punishing those who protect them or cover for them  .  kill them all.  sound the  drums and gather the people and onward with the procession to the public square . stab him in the  side so he  stoops over and  sticks his head out and cut it off .throw his body to the animals to feed on. No loose ends . kill the victim too and the parents for not watching out . End of story

but with the shit the way it is , what I do is take precaution my kids are safe . those who get run over what can I do ? snakes are going to be there and you go after them you do what you call throw the baby with the bath water .

look I have to handle  people . of course nothing like something like the Vatican and I don’t  know what to do  often times . there are  no fucking solutions in this world . shit comes at me like train rumbling at hundred miles an hour with no brakes. I don’t do something , it hits the station and kill everyone. I do something it hits a house kills less people but kill people still. This is something lay shit like you never has to handle .

you want to break up the church . I don’t . I say to get rid of you and take the church from you . you don’t deserve a church . you should be churchless. You are doomed anyways . you don’t have to be hit by a flood . you will flood yourself by yourself out of existence .its okay . there’re  plenty people . 7 billion of them .

the trick is how we gonna do it so we don’t end up with you . I mean you got cities with something like 20 % sexually deviant people in the west . I calculate its the schools , those public schools specially . it goes back to them . catholic schools in third world countries and specially in Africa have hardly those issues that are destroying your society . in other words we don’t have you . we didn’t and  don’t produce you .

the question is how to keep you  from happening . how to only produce people like me .

in cattle herder society in Africa , homosexuality is non existent. I mean extremely rare. The cultural drive is pro creational overwhelmingly. Alpha males do most of the breeding . the system automatically eliminates the funny shit  . the kids are also extremely pro creational to the extent they kidnap their own dads women if they can’t get any . and they inherit their dad women. How not to fuck up such males pool is the challenge and make sure you don’t pop up. .

African bishops tried to make move . didn’t work. His Holiness Pope Francis got the seat. If this continues African churches will separate from you . you are irrelevant now as far as the catholic church and its future is concerned . you will be swallowed by Islam . that’s a foregone conclusion. I’m thinking about it . I will let you know if I figure it out .
Don’t see any reason to talk to you on this. Bye
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 12:26:11 AM
Well, there is the question of whether there was a Jesus and the apostles at all.  Most christian writings are from generations after the claimed dates.
I'm about 99% convinced there was no such person as Jesus of Nazareth, much lees all those disciples he's claimed to've had.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 02:48:01 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
True, but pointless.  By the time of Constantine, what the reorganized Church could do for the Roman government, was the thing.
The Catholic hierarchy pretty much just replaced the Roman government's hierarchy. Why else would the city of Rome be the seat of their power?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Okay what is it  this time ? you are exasperating you know that ? aaaah 

Once again you have failed to address my op. I cited you as ones who claim that bible was copied from pagan religions and I trampled on  those claims made by atheists  and trashed them  and showed they were  bullshit  .that is a fact. I whipped you and stomped on you. Every time you open your big mouth without addressing my OP it  is another TK delivered by me and shows you for the bunch of phony pretenders that you are . you got nothing to offer but fast talk and personal attacks and the amazing thing you talk about my English when you know its my second language and when you yourself can’t  form proper sentences and screw up on shit like conditional clauses like that clown Mike or cavebear who says assumptions are unlikely . you can’t even speak properly in your own native tongues .guys I beat you in your medium . what more can I do ? .  .

Trdsf. You’re little too little and a little too late . that Barabra crap  that was about who you are . And stop flattering yourself .  who cares about your life . I don’t care . I was talking about your Barbara bullshit . in  context of you . as to your childhood , I guess single parent broken home shit . what else ?you wanna talk about it ? not interested . take it up with a shrink . I couldn’t careless .

yes you’re programmed robot. You heard about  her  from one of your numbers and swallowed the shit hook and bait  . . that says you are high school drop out.  you are bar talk . you are repeating machine . I don’t have to know your history  to tell that you are . that Barbara shit is enough to define  you as repeating machine . in real life I would tell you do not call us , we will call you and then throw your file in the  trash .that blunder by  you is  indication you are high school drop out . you have never been to an interview except maybe to get you criminal record checked . there are no second chances . you got caught with your pants down.

I want to ask you a question . why are you talking to me about this when the OP is talking about something else? Don ‘t you feel funny about that ?is it because you are corrupt and lack honor ? you don’t even know it .

Look here is the  way I feel about it .  your European or American catholic priest  is you . they came from you.  you are the problem. That’s who you are and what you do.  I don’t go for that shit this is the priest and this is you. I don’t see that distinction. You do it in church , you do it in the police, in school , in colleges any fucking where .you’re decadent society about to wither away and disappear . I'm sorry . really am

Look at that cavebear . cavebear in my introduction post said he researched surat al fateha in Wikipedia and based on that research he gave a totally false account of surat al fateha . total bullshit and yet still cavebear has no problem showing its  face here . that’s who you are .

you lack honor and its  no surprise you turn priests like you .  you’re the problem . and the good news there are fewer and fewer of your defective kind joining the ranks and soon we will be rid of you and move the Vatican to Africa. End of story
You are woody Allen. You screw the woman then her mother and you marry your adopted daughter and you applaud and celebrate him .Islam is the way for you .  .

Don’t give me this shit about priests and shit because you are not different from them and I bet much worse. They come from you for god sake . save the crocodile tears for someone else .there is nothing you can tell me about you. I lived among you and I know . fix yourself first then your priest will be fixed . but you can’t .

all the same you made a decent effort . for someone with your challenges I admire that . . Look just one catholic parish is pretty complicated set up. I’ve been consulted once or twice .  I looked , there are problems but solutions are hard .the church is the first to admit that there are no solutions because you can’t be fixed. .

they are not really as “core “ based as you think. There’re  many competing factions within ., its an extremely delicate balance and they don’t have an army and they are spread world wide under different jurisprudences and  lot of the  shit  are actually self reliant . those parishes in third world countries are . .

you have no idea how complex the shit is . it boggles my mind that catholic church can keep it  together  . its like a miracle in a way .

identifying the problem is no big deal. The problem are the solutions and the benefits from them .

did you see when the Pope visits third world countries they come out in  the hundred of thousands to greet him ? its food formula, health care ,fuel,  education and and and , not to mention other shit  that can kill people by the millions .  . that shit of coming out in large numbers gives the Pope the sort of clout that comes in handy

. and then you got to throw in the various orders and orgs within orgs and all the other shit I won’t speak about and the politics . shit the politics how devious that shit is.  layered shit on top of each there . .  they twist the arms of the Vatican  . you got layered shit on top of each other from so many powers that be out there .

  there’re  no solutions and I am totally with you on pedophiles should be exterminated and exposed and punishing those who protect them or cover for them  .  kill them all.  sound the  drums and gather the people and onward with the procession to the public square . stab him in the  side so he  stoops over and  sticks his head out and cut it off .throw his body to the animals to feed on. No loose ends . kill the victim too and the parents for not watching out . End of story

but with the shit the way it is , what I do is take precaution my kids are safe . those who get run over what can I do ? snakes are going to be there and you go after them you do what you call throw the baby with the bath water .

look I have to handle  people . of course nothing like something like the Vatican and I don’t  know what to do  often times . there are  no fucking solutions in this world . shit comes at me like train rumbling at hundred miles an hour with no brakes. I don’t do something , it hits the station and kill everyone. I do something it hits a house kills less people but kill people still. This is something lay shit like you never has to handle .

you want to break up the church . I don’t . I say to get rid of you and take the church from you . you don’t deserve a church . you should be churchless. You are doomed anyways . you don’t have to be hit by a flood . you will flood yourself by yourself out of existence .its okay . there’re  plenty people . 7 billion of them .

the trick is how we gonna do it so we don’t end up with you . I mean you got cities with something like 20 % sexually deviant people in the west . I calculate its the schools , those public schools specially . it goes back to them . catholic schools in third world countries and specially in Africa have hardly those issues that are destroying your society . in other words we don’t have you . we didn’t and  don’t produce you .

the question is how to keep you  from happening . how to only produce people like me .

in cattle herder society in Africa , homosexuality is non existent. I mean extremely rare. The cultural drive is pro creational overwhelmingly. Alpha males do most of the breeding . the system automatically eliminates the funny shit  . the kids are also extremely pro creational to the extent they kidnap their own dads women if they can’t get any . and they inherit their dad women. How not to fuck up such males pool is the challenge and make sure you don’t pop up. .

African bishops tried to make move . didn’t work. His Holiness Pope Francis got the seat. If this continues African churches will separate from you . you are irrelevant now as far as the catholic church and its future is concerned . you will be swallowed by Islam . that’s a foregone conclusion. I’m thinking about it . I will let you know if I figure it out .
Don’t see any reason to talk to you on this. Bye



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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Okay what is it  this time ? you are exasperating you know that ? aaaah 


And YOU don't get it.  I don't CARE what you say.  First you are WAYYYYY too long.  Second, you are WAYYYYYYY to boring.  Third, you are WAYYYYYYY too theistic.

I'm just NOT going to read your endless rambling posts...

I'm sure you care.  I'm sure you spent a LOT of time at your posts.  I'm sure you are frustrated that we aren't paying attention to them!

We don't CARE about your theistic views.  Don't you get it?  I can only speak for myself of course, but I don't actually READ any of your posts.  I would rather read shorter posts by someone who believes in UNICORNS.

Actually, someone who came here posting a paragraph supporting unicorns might be interesting... 

But YOU aren't.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:37:26 PM
Yes, Unicorns Were Real â€" and Now We Have the Fossils to Prove It (http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/news/a37608/unicorns-are-real-fossils/)




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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on September 11, 2017, 04:05:22 PM
Listen, Ibin Koala or whatever your name is, I would be happy to have a debate with you if your posts were in a concise and readable format. I'm not going to try and decipher that word salad you keep posting, though. Until then, I will continue to make fun of you.


Sent while riding my mighty steed: Godzilla
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 04:17:02 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 11, 2017, 04:05:22 PM
Listen, Ibin Koala or whatever your name is, I would be happy to have a debate with you if your posts were in a concise and readable format. I'm not going to try and decipher that word salad you keep posting, though. Until then, I will continue to make fun of you.


Sent while riding my mighty steed: Godzilla

I wish I could remember better what some posters really believe, LOL!  I forget sometimes.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 07:43:36 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 11, 2017, 02:37:10 PM
Okay what is it  this time ? you are exasperating you know that ? aaaah
Exasperating?  You mean, like a solid wall of ungrammatical text with piss-poor spelling?

Allow me to make a suggestion, o noble rapist-excuser.  Try tackling one post at a time, with short and to-the-point posts.  You know, rather than blathering on for dozens of poorly spelled and even more poorly thought out text.

Also, running it through a spellchecker before posting.  It couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 11, 2017, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
I'm about 99% convinced there was no such person as Jesus of Nazareth, much lees all those disciples he's claimed to've had.
I'll take your 99% and add one.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 09:54:22 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 10:55:11 AM
Baruch could search for a black cat that isn't there in a dark room and find it.

The Cheshire cat is real, ignore his smile at your peril ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2017, 10:00:57 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
I agree that Baruch isn't your average theist.  But he still is one and don't forget that.  Just as the theists say "beware the clever atheist", I say "beware the clever theist". 

I have argued with Jesuits and he reminds me of them.

I saw "The Mission" ... it is about Jesuits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU14R9hbUFc

I relate to the characters in it ... man of peace, man of war ... yes!

Those who know me, know my wife was a Catholic nun.  And on my Gentile side, I have countless Catholic ancestors myself.  Just not kosher enough.  Spinoza ... “a man who was drunk with God”.  When religious Jews marry Christians, they go after seriously religious people ... Catholics.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 12, 2017, 01:44:17 AM
IBN there is only one question that needs to be answered. Did you take a double dose of your drugs, or did you forget to take them altogether?

Occassionally I get to listen to someone talking to the air. Some of them are interesting conversations. Some are incoherent. I enjoyed every minute of a guy trash-talking Trump a couple weeks ago, but you're not worth the time.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 12, 2017, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: trdsf on September 11, 2017, 09:01:30 AM
If there is a divine authority of any sort, let him/her/it/them demonstrate it.

I remember saying that sometime in the last couple years. I think we are going to be waiting for a long time. May as well get something else done while we are waiting.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 12, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
 Aha , we got high school drop out with a phd. The party ehlawat , wouldn’t you say Barouch? Vah vah masha Allah . I have to commend for being so hopeful.

@ Hijiri … come here . sit. So  professor dick head said to you salad and format and what not and you believed him and now you’re being his repeating machine , eh? Its salad . salad . salad . eek eak eeek .monkey see monkey do. Unplug yourself .

Here is how it works. Corporations has research dept manned by a bunch of phds and techs engaged in mutual masturbation and produce nothing but irrelevant patents that no one  gives two shits about . fresh out of the shit they grabbed me . I tell you never ever work up in the north of the US . all the fucking women there are ugly even the secretaries are ugly . country side ugly white women gathered around me. And they’re looking at the salary and comparing with their handful of dollars and getting ideas. so ugly it made my eyes hurt . Third week on the job I grab all the files . they were in a meeting . I kick the door open and throw the files right smack on the middle of the  conference table  coupled with a torrent of  profanities and left and drove their car and parked it on the railway tracks . then I called my aunt  and I told her   kafirs fired me . she sent me 30 grands . I went partying all over .

it was wrong what they did to Gaddafi of libya. I kind of liked him. He got 9 PhD dummies working on one of his wild scheme. Shit didn’t work .shit kept flying like burst balloon .  he gathered them and forced them to drink camel piss at gun point . he believed  that would bring out the best in them. Poor gaddafi he didn’t know that phd is fembot deal . see when the corporation has an issue they clear the research dept and call the special team, usually shit from here and there , japan, germany, and wherever else .most fo that shit ,moved to china now of course . happened so quick. but china hey, thats no place to live .

Hijiir , professor dickhead was talking fembot deal. Mumbo jumbo jargon without saying jackshit . its an academic art form for god sake.You wanna shoot then shoot. Stop babbling and debate .

@Mike. Come here high school drop out . you do not add an integer to percentages .okay . I have decided to adopt you . teaching you is potential medical breakthrough. Now  run along . git . take break to process lesson.

@trdsf. No I’m not going to allow you. Go back to your room. You’re grounded  Frankenstein monster

@fencerider. Thank you for coming. Are you going to stay ? see no point . jungle is packed  .

you like trash talking because you yourself are trash

The reason why you do not like Trump is because he is unpredictable. The reason for that you’re all catholic based mind sets .your little brains are programmed to frame and foster  closed systems running on  undefined  posits .  the logos you oblivious buffoon .

this idea is deeply embedded in your culture . its  the obsolete past. The church needs to come up with a different paradigm . the new mythology . I’m working on it . I’m thinking of making myself the god .god this time has to be modeled to look like me .

The conjugation of the verb has three distinct forms wrapped up in it , the idea, the real and the preferred. Do not use conditional clauses I said. You don’t know how. You’re high school drop out . one more word out of you and your munching ice cream national pass time privilege shall be withdrawn.

Hey Hijiir I.m  thinking of doing a piece on Sharia law of flatulence . you know when the Muslim  prays there is an angel standing next to him asking allah to have mercy on him and hear his prayer. The problem if the Muslim lets out wind the angel stops talking to Allah and the prayer is as good as lost which the leaves the Muslim one prayer short which in turn could very well land him/her in the lake of fire forever . I’m going to argue some farts are inaudible and give no fragrance for your sake . because I am awed by you and I admire you . I’m going to need an engineer to rig me a fart detection machine . something light and portable that can be attached to the  rear of end (wink wink).  I mean if you want to that is ..hey I like debate too
I have another idea . do a piece on  Kafir . IN Islam you’re kafir. That means you’re a criminal, enemy of Muslims and enemy of allah and you are cattle that pleasures itself on grass and and and. This is per quran of course. You could argue that you’re not cattle jumping on the band wagon and I’ll argue the opposite  .of course I do not believe you’re cattle . not unless you want me to.  just debate shit you know . fembot shit

So do you think Krishna is like Jesus per NT? did you see this coming ? see i'm right. you're fembot deal

I want an answer or I will move to the next OP. stop wasting time
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 12, 2017, 03:55:16 AM
Swearing isn't a very christian thing to do, Jesus would tell you off, if he were real
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 04:05:47 AM
@ Ibn Khaldun

LOL. 
I find your essays very entertaining. Keep posting.

Wind up merchant.  (http://www.yourdictionary.com/wind-up-merchant)

Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 06:55:07 AM
Quote from: fencerider on September 12, 2017, 01:50:11 AM
I remember saying that sometime in the last couple years. I think we are going to be waiting for a long time. May as well get something else done while we are waiting.

Jewish POV ... plant your trees, even if you won't enjoy the fruit, your grandchildren will.  In the mean time, the Messiah probably won't have come.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 12, 2017, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 12, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
stop wasting time
We do wish you would.  Again, spell-checker, short posts, tackle one thing at a time, don't fall back on ad hominems and straw men when you can't refute a point.  Doing these probably won't make you look smart, but they will make you look less foolish.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 11:10:38 AM
@ trdsf and others:

Try not to take Ibn Khaldun's posts too seriously. It will be easier that way.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 12, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 11:10:38 AM
@ trdsf and others:

Try not to take Ibn Khaldun's posts too seriously. It will be easier that way.
Never did--nothing remarkable about the guy.  A typical stupid theist.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 12, 2017, 12:04:49 PM
It's a teaching moment.  I can but try.  Should he remain unenlightened, it won't be my fault.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 12, 2017, 02:23:24 PM
Quote from: pr126 on September 12, 2017, 11:10:38 AM
@ trdsf and others:

Try not to take Ibn Khaldun's posts too seriously. It will be easier that way.

I suspect that it's only he who takes his posts too seriously.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 03:58:35 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 12, 2017, 03:50:58 AM
Aha , we got high school drop out with a phd. The party ehlawat , wouldn’t you say Barouch? Vah vah masha Allah . I have to commend for being so hopeful.

@ Hijiri … come here . sit. So  professor dick head said to you salad and format and what not and you believed him and now you’re being his repeating machine , eh? Its salad . salad . salad . eek eak eeek .monkey see monkey do. Unplug yourself .

Here is how it works. Corporations has research dept manned by a bunch of phds and techs engaged in mutual masturbation and produce nothing but irrelevant patents that no one  gives two shits about . fresh out of the shit they grabbed me . I tell you never ever work up in the north of the US . all the fucking women there are ugly even the secretaries are ugly . country side ugly white women gathered around me. And they’re looking at the salary and comparing with their handful of dollars and getting ideas. so ugly it made my eyes hurt . Third week on the job I grab all the files . they were in a meeting . I kick the door open and throw the files right smack on the middle of the  conference table  coupled with a torrent of  profanities and left and drove their car and parked it on the railway tracks . then I called my aunt  and I told her   kafirs fired me . she sent me 30 grands . I went partying all over .

it was wrong what they did to Gaddafi of libya. I kind of liked him. He got 9 PhD dummies working on one of his wild scheme. Shit didn’t work .shit kept flying like burst balloon .  he gathered them and forced them to drink camel piss at gun point . he believed  that would bring out the best in them. Poor gaddafi he didn’t know that phd is fembot deal . see when the corporation has an issue they clear the research dept and call the special team, usually shit from here and there , japan, germany, and wherever else .most fo that shit ,moved to china now of course . happened so quick. but china hey, thats no place to live .

Hijiir , professor dickhead was talking fembot deal. Mumbo jumbo jargon without saying jackshit . its an academic art form for god sake.You wanna shoot then shoot. Stop babbling and debate .

@Mike. Come here high school drop out . you do not add an integer to percentages .okay . I have decided to adopt you . teaching you is potential medical breakthrough. Now  run along . git . take break to process lesson.

@trdsf. No I’m not going to allow you. Go back to your room. You’re grounded  Frankenstein monster

@fencerider. Thank you for coming. Are you going to stay ? see no point . jungle is packed  .

you like trash talking because you yourself are trash

The reason why you do not like Trump is because he is unpredictable. The reason for that you’re all catholic based mind sets .your little brains are programmed to frame and foster  closed systems running on  undefined  posits .  the logos you oblivious buffoon .

this idea is deeply embedded in your culture . its  the obsolete past. The church needs to come up with a different paradigm . the new mythology . I’m working on it . I’m thinking of making myself the god .god this time has to be modeled to look like me .

The conjugation of the verb has three distinct forms wrapped up in it , the idea, the real and the preferred. Do not use conditional clauses I said. You don’t know how. You’re high school drop out . one more word out of you and your munching ice cream national pass time privilege shall be withdrawn.

Hey Hijiir I.m  thinking of doing a piece on Sharia law of flatulence . you know when the Muslim  prays there is an angel standing next to him asking allah to have mercy on him and hear his prayer. The problem if the Muslim lets out wind the angel stops talking to Allah and the prayer is as good as lost which the leaves the Muslim one prayer short which in turn could very well land him/her in the lake of fire forever . I’m going to argue some farts are inaudible and give no fragrance for your sake . because I am awed by you and I admire you . I’m going to need an engineer to rig me a fart detection machine . something light and portable that can be attached to the  rear of end (wink wink).  I mean if you want to that is ..hey I like debate too
I have another idea . do a piece on  Kafir . IN Islam you’re kafir. That means you’re a criminal, enemy of Muslims and enemy of allah and you are cattle that pleasures itself on grass and and and. This is per quran of course. You could argue that you’re not cattle jumping on the band wagon and I’ll argue the opposite  .of course I do not believe you’re cattle . not unless you want me to.  just debate shit you know . fembot shit

So do you think Krishna is like Jesus per NT? did you see this coming ? see i'm right. you're fembot deal

I want an answer or I will move to the next OP. stop wasting time

Huh, I thought you banned.  Too bad.  You are still an annoying darn fool.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 14, 2017, 06:03:55 AM
@Cavebear, move out the way . people are trying to discourse here . Jesus loves you.he does. see it is this shit by you that makes me lose my focus and talk so much. its your fault . you should be banned

@unbelivered. Don’t worry . I’m not going to hurt you. I’m holy man. I don’t hurt the little creatures . I know a mouse that lives in hole next to the tree . I give him a little bit of cheese. He comes out and grabs it and runs back into the  hole. .

Okay, huddle up my beloved atheists .I’m going to try my best to make todays session as brief and as painless as I feel like it .the good news for you she is sitting in the sunroom giving me the silent treatment, supposedly  because I told her I don’t see why the woman is important beyond sex. I can do anything else by myself except for sex, I told her.  Usually she ignores my profoundly truthful  revelations. She wants me to go with her to family get together shit. I got to sit there and smile and nod pleasantly to every stupid statement and act no matter how stupid.  I say torture her first. And its true .

  @pr162.  The problem you present is how come the programming failed with you. Why aren’t you what you are supposed to be ? great effort and money was and is spent to program    people and keep them programmed . They failed in your case . why?

Allah's Apostle said, "A person is considered in prayer as long as he is waiting for the prayer in the mosque as long as he does not do hadath." A non-Arab man asked, "O Abii Huraira! What is hadath?" I replied, "It is the passing of wind (from the anus) Sahih Bukhari 4.1.176.

You know what’s wrong with this haddith? The phrase non-arab. Non Arabs were not allowed in Yathrib except with special permission and then only for short time and then kicked out. This continued everywhere until the Abbasside (Persians)  took over and gave the order any native speaker of the Arabic language be killed . Those who survived went back to the desert. Persians killed us .

but  sharia law of flatulence is real. Takes long  to expound though.pose serious questions too.  The people praying by prostrating and sticking their rear end towards the heavens and exploding wind is major turn off for Allah apparently.  Allah likes to look at people butts smelling nice and shiny that he  may   jerk off happily away  in his throne. when you think about it you being to wonder about allah and his claimed superman qualities. Allah is everywhere .in the bowls, in the toilet , in the sewers . whats the  problem with a little accidental wind ?  if Allah knows the  fart is incoming he can’t stop it. If he stops it he couldn’t have known it correctly in the first place.and  consider the problem of evil for instance. Why do people fart? Why did Allah create beans ? Moreover, what is there ? do farts exist? Fart exist . but it is absurd to introduce the conception of thing into the conception of its existence. I ask you is the proposition synthetic or analytical?

I just went and looked. She is watching Bloomberg  on TV. she is pretending. She couldn’t be watching that shit because she is brainless . Its working .I’m about to cave in. women can talk finance today. They taking over guys . help.

@ Munch  come here . sit. Did I or did I not say I’m Catholic? That means what the bible says is irrelevant .it means what the Church says is what matters. I owe obedience to the church . we do not do atheists  fairy tale guy in the sky figment of  your imagination said this and said that . we’re governed  by reason . throw in a bit of mysticism  on top. Jesus spoke as the son of man not son of god. When he speaks as son of god then shit is over  , will is cancelled . I say and I do is gone then . the  I is no longer.

Catholicism is not Islam.  We do not do holy text bullshit. That’s why you can have separation of church and religion in the west . Built into the Catholicism  are those concessions it grants to the State . we do not argue with the State in terms of holy shit but in terms of natural law.

Catholicism  is the religion of the logos. It has only two tenets . neither one is assailable . just one incident like some 30 years ago there might have been a serious challenge .  looked like the law of conservation of energy was undermined . but 15 years later counter formulations were made and they stand . go look at them. I did. Sometimes 18 hours straight. Wasted a lot of scrap paper. Shit is iron clad. The logos stands.

The other tenet stands too. “in the beginning “ is happening everywhere everyday. The math is there . you want to say something go tackle that shit . you can’t because you’re like short of brain Mike who adds an integer to percentage points .
Just one serious challenge mounted against Catholicism in all its years and it failed. .Catholicism stands. Eat shit and die . go back to your fairy tale in never never land . jesus was right. The Atheist is a fool.

Now with Islam separation of church and State is not possible . does not and will not work . in Islam if you’re to have reformation you have to do a different sort of separation , namely  separation of religion from Law/ legislative. Practically speaking that is very  hard if not impossible to achieve.  Literally you have to deprogram individuals instead of shove a religious institution to the side as per reformation in the West  . by implication  separation of state and church actually fosters islam . right? you repeating machine programmed robots. Eek eak eek

Let em repeat this so we don’t have any shit from you again

1-   Catholicism---------------> refrormation-separation of church and State
2-   Islam--------------------- reformation-> separation of religion and law
Shu shut up. I don’t hear your big mouth . matter closed . I get upset . okay > good.

Back to Op.,

did I or did I not tell you my beloved atheist I was Hindu at one time ? yes I was. For 2 ½ days . I swear  to you on waltz Disney and pop corn and sugar and fat. I met  the Hindus  in downtown . they talked to me and told me to come with them . I said  okay .  One of the sweethearts had hair  reaching her knees ,she looked so sexy ,I was overwhelmed , it was love form first sight, I went with them in their  van . we went  to this  temple compound  in a fancy neighborhood . strange  stuff followed  . they showed me pictures of clusters of dots floating on a river and they said to me those were souls .  third day  Guru had us facing the wall going ho ho ho .A  ho ho ho chant shit . they explained  ho ho ho  was level one . you sit facing the wall and you go ho ho ho like that for   years and then you are moved to level two where you do ha ha ha ha for years . you do this till you get to level 7 , by which time you will have become  an old man who  can’t get up or get it up no more..talk about a fucked  deal . mind you the guru himself  was middle aged guy .guy must have jumped a bunch of levels. But for the  rest of the programmed robots its face the wall and go ho ho ho for hours till your brain stops working . I’m looking around and I see  rich sexually frustrated white women who came clad  in colorful Indian bed sheets  and  were sticking in that donation box 50 and hundred dollar bills and then  go for one on one prayer session with guru A students   . I’m looking at that shit trying to understand it. . eventually the Arab in me couldn’t help it. . I waited for the right moment and I grabbed that box and ran like the wind . And I can  run. . I hailed a cab and got the hell away from  ho ho  ho. i wasn’t even 18 yet  back then . they send me away from home because of blood feud . bad people  wanted to kill me ..but you could say  my Hinduism goes back to my teenage formative  years you see.

In my introduction post Barouch was all over the place talking shit about Buddhist and Hindu this and that and Christianity took from them . I asked him for his source and he posted Wikipedia  links  believe it or not . I said thank you .    Johnny come lately barocuh talking shit about shit I mastered  in  my teens in just three days . ho ho ho is not  hail Mary /Ha ha ha is not the lords prayer   barouch is a trip.  my role model is a trip. i'm screwed for real. .

  They got them brain washed by Wikipedia and Gandhi G movie. It was  easy to brain wash them.  they don’t have life . they are not like me . I go out there and mix with folks and observe them up close  . I like people .i like to talk to them and examine them up close. Observe them. they are easily startled .  Do not startle them.  . 

Hinduism is one screwed up religion. and all that Ghandi G shit is   Hollywood project indoctrinate and brain wash.The  fact of the matter when the British got there India  was a real uncivilized dump with shit like child human sacrifices .. The English built them colleges and railways and schools and ports and hospitals . there was none of that shit before the English came. it was failed civilization when the brits  got there .filth , abject poverty and diseases all over . in the movie they don’t tell you that shit , they make the British look like  users and occupiers. thats bull pure bull

And good thing of course the British were forced out else India today would be something like Hong Kong .The British would have kept on building that dump to super powers heights with massive high tech economy. Then  we all be going ho ho ho and Barouch dancing in the lead  with red dot on his forehead and long vampire nails and  wig with long wild hair  going ho ho ho. .

Ghandi ho ha ho ha  got little bit of a doze of civilization  by the education he had received in England . all that non violent shit  was Christian  shit  English style .but all that other English gentleman shit he didn’t take. .  you know , like open the car door for  the woman and ladies first  shit and when  you do one the door for her ,no goosing her rear end  when she has her back to you  unless you’re close friends .or if she is climbing the stair case don’t lift her dress and take quick glance  . You know shit like that . all that English gentleman shit  . in a way I too learned that shit . only thing combine an Arab like me with English culture and you get a freak .shit is so incompatible you know.. so torn between two cultures I freak out sometimes .
I think but I’m not sure they tried to put up a statue of him, of Ghandi,  in some African country and the Africans went nuts . they won’t have it . he trashed Africans when he  was in South Africa calling Africans savages and all kind of bad shit .Gandhi was racist . they don’t tell you that either in the movie .racism doesn’t tally too well with that religious tolerant persona  in the movie .

in the end in the movie a Hindu fanatic kills him. The catholic priests he asked him to leave and the English are Christians .  so strike off Hinduism and Christianity . compare with the  scene where he reads from Hindu text to Quran. In the movie it was Hindu who killed a Muslim kid and Ghandi says to him raise a kid as Muslim to redeem himself .nothing about the  80 million Hindus Muslim butchered in conquest.

See subliminal shit like that does one hell of number on little people minds as they munch on their pop corn and sugar laden soda and fart and belch. And now they got them pretty much surrounded with Wikipedia holding the rear . so how come pr162  didn’t take ????

The British leaders were a disgrace to their own people. Read the history. Inept successive British government blew away millions of sterling pounds on bullshit colonies and failed schemes. That’s when the sterling pound was the shit.back in the day  in just one African country they blew away a staggering 100 million pounds on an exceedingly wild agricultural  scheme . and this despite the pilot project negative result . if the British  were real  users every house in England would have gold roof today.

when they left they did leave the seeds of modern industry planted and growing . but the failed nations with their failed philosophies of life as in religion quickly fucked what the British left and now they all wanna move to the west to fuck it up too.
  trdsf , brain washed indoctrinated trdsf ready and willing to swallow the first lies shoved down his ho ha throat,  brought up that drug addict Barbara Blaine , Barbara the fraud  . everyone knows she is drug addict and a fraud except for programmed robot trdsf. Barbara and her buddy methodone powered ,convicted jail bird , Dr.Steve Taylor  with the 107 count of child pornography , whom she took up for , for fear of losing her habit supplier.didn’t work. Dr.Taylor was inducted into the hall of fame of some 1400 medical practitioners caught and convicted . the priest Barbara  ALLEGED  he molested her remains free because not one single family from the thousand came forth and pointed so much as finger at him. 

the church sometimes loses out  . they put people like her in the downtrodden ghettos and shanty towns  of the world  to serve. They prepare them for that shit but sometimes its not  enough. The company  there is  very persuasive .its always in their early 30s. tahst when the woman reaches her sexual peak.  So Barabar gets down with it and then starts taking shit . Then  she says she fell  and hurt her back and they issued her the percasset shit and that shit is bad news and cost money and favors . selling sex favors can’t finance that shit .so she came up with that shit . she continued with her  lies until her lies   took her out and she got fired . but she got out with some  money.enough for a downtrodden.

a drug addict and 1400 hundred MD pedophiles in handful of years . that’s the shit trdsf brings to the negotiable table. Talk about a brain dead  Frankenstein botch up job  high school drop out . and look at him now trying to save face talking shit about shit he is clueless about .

You send people to work with the downtrodden and you gonna  lose some . you can’t  defend  99% plus additional one percentage point  against that shit. nuns taking off . priests quitting. and they’re  all privy to the internal working of the dioceses . it’s a war out there and you gonna  take in casualties . the politics is complicated . its train rumbling at hundred miles an hour.  so the church got to  sit tight and take the abuse and even agree to admit to shit that never happened in the first place . its not about Barbara. She is just a pawn  .  . 

You want to get yourself destroyed promptly ? go help the needy , the down trodden. Poverty and need are self made, self imposed and self perpetuated . that’s the animal you will be dealing with . not all of course but for the most part . vicious undisciplined back sliding back stabbing animals  and in the background their masters and peddlers will destroy you

All charities with out exception except for the catholic ones are multi layered within by dozens of intelligence services shit .still   there’re  spies in the church , few spies in the catholic set up still.   with the catholic ones they practice arms twisting . but  when his holiness comes to visit the flock turns out by the hundred of thousands. Riding on that show of force what happens in that brief period of time is internal purging of the intelligence scum. I mean in 3rd world countries.you take them out , with the exception of the Americans . you do not  touch them. That problem is solved today.  now with Trump in charge they’re behaving . they give the green light for tens of thousands of  tons of grain shipment .only this time with Trump in charge and unlike Obama,  Christians too  get to eat not only the Muslims. already hundreds of African babies  are named after Trump. Baby Donald Trump’s all over the place.

Ask the African , who is the blue eyed white devil? It isn’t trump. It is Obama .Trump is a black man he tells you. .

During the reign of the blue eyed white devil  , you can’t say jackshit. You say so much as one word and your name goes on the files . now we talk freely and they say to them, bring it on. Dare yu and they  set Trump on your ass if you try any shit .Trump puts your ass on twitter . They can call Turmp.  See Trump knows what he is doing. Thye  got an open line to the white house. By pass the deep shit . hi Tumrp, can you hear me ? yeah  that guy and that guy and that guy over there .pink slip follows promptly. You fired . out .you join Hillary .  The rest they  got the green light to purge .

And here is another great thing about Trump. Just in the short time he has  been in power the containers filled with pills shipments to Africa took a nose dive . green light given to African customs to seize them and divert them. Before they had to turn a blind eye or else.

A lot of other  good shit happening .for Africa and for UK too. Bp getting  concessions  while that no good ethnic cleansing aiders and abettors  in Canada got stomped on. With trump in charge and brexit on the cards   Bp is emboldened , spoiling for fight  with Total.Bp going to get that concession.  India  also is getting the boot  . their shit head went to America and talked all kind of smooth nice shit to congress to plead mercy. . Trump said to him fuck you . you getting carrot and stick treatment hence forth. You sell your stakes back at a discount to the real owners , American oil shit and get the fuck out or else. Trump making positive overtures with Ethiopia . no more of that Obama shit. Obama was going after Ethiopia.the one African country with the highest  growth.  Can you believe that shit ? now American forces are coming back .

  Its gonna take several trumps to purge America from the leftist  filth . the fight is going to be over his family. I like his son in law .

Wait. I smell something tasty . shit I made a monumental error. The woman is not a sex object . I made a mistake . I screwed up  . she belongs in the kitchen . revise that shit .she is going all out war. The path to man heart is through his stomach . roast his stomach. I surrender . my goddess rules me. she is god .i repent . I confess my sins.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 14, 2017, 06:30:12 AM
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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 14, 2017, 07:26:34 AM
Someone's really got to much free time on their hands
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:30:27 AM
Quote from: Munch on September 14, 2017, 07:26:34 AM
Someone's really got to much free time on their hands

The man clearly failed Composition class, in every language he uses.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 14, 2017, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 14, 2017, 06:03:55 AM
shit I made a monumental error.
Well, I won't argue that point.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 08:22:38 AM
"Will no rid me of this priest"?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 09:49:18 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 14, 2017, 06:03:55 AM
@Cavebear, move out the way . people are trying to discourse here . Jesus loves you.he does. see it is this shit by you that makes me lose my focus and talk so much. its your fault . you should be banned

@unbelivered. Don’t worry . I’m not going to hurt you. I’m holy man. I don’t hurt the little creatures . I know a mouse that lives in hole next to the tree . I give him a little bit of cheese. He comes out and grabs it and runs back into the  hole. .

Okay, huddle up my beloved atheists .I’m going to try my best to make todays session as brief and as painless as I feel like it .the good news for you she is sitting in the sunroom giving me the silent treatment, supposedly  because I told her I don’t see why the woman is important beyond sex. I can do anything else by myself except for sex, I told her.  Usually she ignores my profoundly truthful  revelations. She wants me to go with her to family get together shit. I got to sit there and smile and nod pleasantly to every stupid statement and act no matter how stupid.  I say torture her first. And its true .

  @pr162.  The problem you present is how come the programming failed with you. Why aren’t you what you are supposed to be ? great effort and money was and is spent to program    people and keep them programmed . They failed in your case . why?

Allah's Apostle said, "A person is considered in prayer as long as he is waiting for the prayer in the mosque as long as he does not do hadath." A non-Arab man asked, "O Abii Huraira! What is hadath?" I replied, "It is the passing of wind (from the anus) Sahih Bukhari 4.1.176.

You know what’s wrong with this haddith? The phrase non-arab. Non Arabs were not allowed in Yathrib except with special permission and then only for short time and then kicked out. This continued everywhere until the Abbasside (Persians)  took over and gave the order any native speaker of the Arabic language be killed . Those who survived went back to the desert. Persians killed us .

but  sharia law of flatulence is real. Takes long  to expound though.pose serious questions too.  The people praying by prostrating and sticking their rear end towards the heavens and exploding wind is major turn off for Allah apparently.  Allah likes to look at people butts smelling nice and shiny that he  may   jerk off happily away  in his throne. when you think about it you being to wonder about allah and his claimed superman qualities. Allah is everywhere .in the bowls, in the toilet , in the sewers . whats the  problem with a little accidental wind ?  if Allah knows the  fart is incoming he can’t stop it. If he stops it he couldn’t have known it correctly in the first place.and  consider the problem of evil for instance. Why do people fart? Why did Allah create beans ? Moreover, what is there ? do farts exist? Fart exist . but it is absurd to introduce the conception of thing into the conception of its existence. I ask you is the proposition synthetic or analytical?

I just went and looked. She is watching Bloomberg  on TV. she is pretending. She couldn’t be watching that shit because she is brainless . Its working .I’m about to cave in. women can talk finance today. They taking over guys . help.

@ Munch  come here . sit. Did I or did I not say I’m Catholic? That means what the bible says is irrelevant .it means what the Church says is what matters. I owe obedience to the church . we do not do atheists  fairy tale guy in the sky figment of  your imagination said this and said that . we’re governed  by reason . throw in a bit of mysticism  on top. Jesus spoke as the son of man not son of god. When he speaks as son of god then shit is over  , will is cancelled . I say and I do is gone then . the  I is no longer.

Catholicism is not Islam.  We do not do holy text bullshit. That’s why you can have separation of church and religion in the west . Built into the Catholicism  are those concessions it grants to the State . we do not argue with the State in terms of holy shit but in terms of natural law.

Catholicism  is the religion of the logos. It has only two tenets . neither one is assailable . just one incident like some 30 years ago there might have been a serious challenge .  looked like the law of conservation of energy was undermined . but 15 years later counter formulations were made and they stand . go look at them. I did. Sometimes 18 hours straight. Wasted a lot of scrap paper. Shit is iron clad. The logos stands.

The other tenet stands too. “in the beginning “ is happening everywhere everyday. The math is there . you want to say something go tackle that shit . you can’t because you’re like short of brain Mike who adds an integer to percentage points .
Just one serious challenge mounted against Catholicism in all its years and it failed. .Catholicism stands. Eat shit and die . go back to your fairy tale in never never land . jesus was right. The Atheist is a fool.

Now with Islam separation of church and State is not possible . does not and will not work . in Islam if you’re to have reformation you have to do a different sort of separation , namely  separation of religion from Law/ legislative. Practically speaking that is very  hard if not impossible to achieve.  Literally you have to deprogram individuals instead of shove a religious institution to the side as per reformation in the West  . by implication  separation of state and church actually fosters islam . right? you repeating machine programmed robots. Eek eak eek

Let em repeat this so we don’t have any shit from you again

1-   Catholicism---------------> refrormation-separation of church and State
2-   Islam--------------------- reformation-> separation of religion and law
Shu shut up. I don’t hear your big mouth . matter closed . I get upset . okay > good.

Back to Op.,

did I or did I not tell you my beloved atheist I was Hindu at one time ? yes I was. For 2 ½ days . I swear  to you on waltz Disney and pop corn and sugar and fat. I met  the Hindus  in downtown . they talked to me and told me to come with them . I said  okay .  One of the sweethearts had hair  reaching her knees ,she looked so sexy ,I was overwhelmed , it was love form first sight, I went with them in their  van . we went  to this  temple compound  in a fancy neighborhood . strange  stuff followed  . they showed me pictures of clusters of dots floating on a river and they said to me those were souls .  third day  Guru had us facing the wall going ho ho ho .A  ho ho ho chant shit . they explained  ho ho ho  was level one . you sit facing the wall and you go ho ho ho like that for   years and then you are moved to level two where you do ha ha ha ha for years . you do this till you get to level 7 , by which time you will have become  an old man who  can’t get up or get it up no more..talk about a fucked  deal . mind you the guru himself  was middle aged guy .guy must have jumped a bunch of levels. But for the  rest of the programmed robots its face the wall and go ho ho ho for hours till your brain stops working . I’m looking around and I see  rich sexually frustrated white women who came clad  in colorful Indian bed sheets  and  were sticking in that donation box 50 and hundred dollar bills and then  go for one on one prayer session with guru A students   . I’m looking at that shit trying to understand it. . eventually the Arab in me couldn’t help it. . I waited for the right moment and I grabbed that box and ran like the wind . And I can  run. . I hailed a cab and got the hell away from  ho ho  ho. i wasn’t even 18 yet  back then . they send me away from home because of blood feud . bad people  wanted to kill me ..but you could say  my Hinduism goes back to my teenage formative  years you see.

In my introduction post Barouch was all over the place talking shit about Buddhist and Hindu this and that and Christianity took from them . I asked him for his source and he posted Wikipedia  links  believe it or not . I said thank you .    Johnny come lately barocuh talking shit about shit I mastered  in  my teens in just three days . ho ho ho is not  hail Mary /Ha ha ha is not the lords prayer   barouch is a trip.  my role model is a trip. i'm screwed for real. .

  They got them brain washed by Wikipedia and Gandhi G movie. It was  easy to brain wash them.  they don’t have life . they are not like me . I go out there and mix with folks and observe them up close  . I like people .i like to talk to them and examine them up close. Observe them. they are easily startled .  Do not startle them.  . 

Hinduism is one screwed up religion. and all that Ghandi G shit is   Hollywood project indoctrinate and brain wash.The  fact of the matter when the British got there India  was a real uncivilized dump with shit like child human sacrifices .. The English built them colleges and railways and schools and ports and hospitals . there was none of that shit before the English came. it was failed civilization when the brits  got there .filth , abject poverty and diseases all over . in the movie they don’t tell you that shit , they make the British look like  users and occupiers. thats bull pure bull

And good thing of course the British were forced out else India today would be something like Hong Kong .The British would have kept on building that dump to super powers heights with massive high tech economy. Then  we all be going ho ho ho and Barouch dancing in the lead  with red dot on his forehead and long vampire nails and  wig with long wild hair  going ho ho ho. .

Ghandi ho ha ho ha  got little bit of a doze of civilization  by the education he had received in England . all that non violent shit  was Christian  shit  English style .but all that other English gentleman shit he didn’t take. .  you know , like open the car door for  the woman and ladies first  shit and when  you do one the door for her ,no goosing her rear end  when she has her back to you  unless you’re close friends .or if she is climbing the stair case don’t lift her dress and take quick glance  . You know shit like that . all that English gentleman shit  . in a way I too learned that shit . only thing combine an Arab like me with English culture and you get a freak .shit is so incompatible you know.. so torn between two cultures I freak out sometimes .
I think but I’m not sure they tried to put up a statue of him, of Ghandi,  in some African country and the Africans went nuts . they won’t have it . he trashed Africans when he  was in South Africa calling Africans savages and all kind of bad shit .Gandhi was racist . they don’t tell you that either in the movie .racism doesn’t tally too well with that religious tolerant persona  in the movie .

in the end in the movie a Hindu fanatic kills him. The catholic priests he asked him to leave and the English are Christians .  so strike off Hinduism and Christianity . compare with the  scene where he reads from Hindu text to Quran. In the movie it was Hindu who killed a Muslim kid and Ghandi says to him raise a kid as Muslim to redeem himself .nothing about the  80 million Hindus Muslim butchered in conquest.

See subliminal shit like that does one hell of number on little people minds as they munch on their pop corn and sugar laden soda and fart and belch. And now they got them pretty much surrounded with Wikipedia holding the rear . so how come pr162  didn’t take ????

The British leaders were a disgrace to their own people. Read the history. Inept successive British government blew away millions of sterling pounds on bullshit colonies and failed schemes. That’s when the sterling pound was the shit.back in the day  in just one African country they blew away a staggering 100 million pounds on an exceedingly wild agricultural  scheme . and this despite the pilot project negative result . if the British  were real  users every house in England would have gold roof today.

when they left they did leave the seeds of modern industry planted and growing . but the failed nations with their failed philosophies of life as in religion quickly fucked what the British left and now they all wanna move to the west to fuck it up too.
  trdsf , brain washed indoctrinated trdsf ready and willing to swallow the first lies shoved down his ho ha throat,  brought up that drug addict Barbara Blaine , Barbara the fraud  . everyone knows she is drug addict and a fraud except for programmed robot trdsf. Barbara and her buddy methodone powered ,convicted jail bird , Dr.Steve Taylor  with the 107 count of child pornography , whom she took up for , for fear of losing her habit supplier.didn’t work. Dr.Taylor was inducted into the hall of fame of some 1400 medical practitioners caught and convicted . the priest Barbara  ALLEGED  he molested her remains free because not one single family from the thousand came forth and pointed so much as finger at him. 

the church sometimes loses out  . they put people like her in the downtrodden ghettos and shanty towns  of the world  to serve. They prepare them for that shit but sometimes its not  enough. The company  there is  very persuasive .its always in their early 30s. tahst when the woman reaches her sexual peak.  So Barabar gets down with it and then starts taking shit . Then  she says she fell  and hurt her back and they issued her the percasset shit and that shit is bad news and cost money and favors . selling sex favors can’t finance that shit .so she came up with that shit . she continued with her  lies until her lies   took her out and she got fired . but she got out with some  money.enough for a downtrodden.

a drug addict and 1400 hundred MD pedophiles in handful of years . that’s the shit trdsf brings to the negotiable table. Talk about a brain dead  Frankenstein botch up job  high school drop out . and look at him now trying to save face talking shit about shit he is clueless about .

You send people to work with the downtrodden and you gonna  lose some . you can’t  defend  99% plus additional one percentage point  against that shit. nuns taking off . priests quitting. and they’re  all privy to the internal working of the dioceses . it’s a war out there and you gonna  take in casualties . the politics is complicated . its train rumbling at hundred miles an hour.  so the church got to  sit tight and take the abuse and even agree to admit to shit that never happened in the first place . its not about Barbara. She is just a pawn  .  . 

You want to get yourself destroyed promptly ? go help the needy , the down trodden. Poverty and need are self made, self imposed and self perpetuated . that’s the animal you will be dealing with . not all of course but for the most part . vicious undisciplined back sliding back stabbing animals  and in the background their masters and peddlers will destroy you

All charities with out exception except for the catholic ones are multi layered within by dozens of intelligence services shit .still   there’re  spies in the church , few spies in the catholic set up still.   with the catholic ones they practice arms twisting . but  when his holiness comes to visit the flock turns out by the hundred of thousands. Riding on that show of force what happens in that brief period of time is internal purging of the intelligence scum. I mean in 3rd world countries.you take them out , with the exception of the Americans . you do not  touch them. That problem is solved today.  now with Trump in charge they’re behaving . they give the green light for tens of thousands of  tons of grain shipment .only this time with Trump in charge and unlike Obama,  Christians too  get to eat not only the Muslims. already hundreds of African babies  are named after Trump. Baby Donald Trump’s all over the place.

Ask the African , who is the blue eyed white devil? It isn’t trump. It is Obama .Trump is a black man he tells you. .

During the reign of the blue eyed white devil  , you can’t say jackshit. You say so much as one word and your name goes on the files . now we talk freely and they say to them, bring it on. Dare yu and they  set Trump on your ass if you try any shit .Trump puts your ass on twitter . They can call Turmp.  See Trump knows what he is doing. Thye  got an open line to the white house. By pass the deep shit . hi Tumrp, can you hear me ? yeah  that guy and that guy and that guy over there .pink slip follows promptly. You fired . out .you join Hillary .  The rest they  got the green light to purge .

And here is another great thing about Trump. Just in the short time he has  been in power the containers filled with pills shipments to Africa took a nose dive . green light given to African customs to seize them and divert them. Before they had to turn a blind eye or else.

A lot of other  good shit happening .for Africa and for UK too. Bp getting  concessions  while that no good ethnic cleansing aiders and abettors  in Canada got stomped on. With trump in charge and brexit on the cards   Bp is emboldened , spoiling for fight  with Total.Bp going to get that concession.  India  also is getting the boot  . their shit head went to America and talked all kind of smooth nice shit to congress to plead mercy. . Trump said to him fuck you . you getting carrot and stick treatment hence forth. You sell your stakes back at a discount to the real owners , American oil shit and get the fuck out or else. Trump making positive overtures with Ethiopia . no more of that Obama shit. Obama was going after Ethiopia.the one African country with the highest  growth.  Can you believe that shit ? now American forces are coming back .

  Its gonna take several trumps to purge America from the leftist  filth . the fight is going to be over his family. I like his son in law .

Wait. I smell something tasty . shit I made a monumental error. The woman is not a sex object . I made a mistake . I screwed up  . she belongs in the kitchen . revise that shit .she is going all out war. The path to man heart is through his stomach . roast his stomach. I surrender . my goddess rules me. she is god .i repent . I confess my sins.
Do you think ANYBODY read that shit???!!! I KNOW you didn't.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 14, 2017, 09:57:38 AM
Did you have to quote the whole shebang? Really? Good grief. Scrolling down forever.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 09:59:25 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 14, 2017, 09:57:38 AM
Did you have to quote the whole shebang? Really? Good grief. Scrolling down forever.
Sorry. :))
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
There is just sometimes no getting rid of the most annoying nonsense. 

But IBN, knowing that we think you are a rather COMPLETE idiot, why do you keep posting it.  Do you think that repetition earns you extra virgins or something?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
There is just sometimes no getting rid of the most annoying nonsense. 

But IBN, knowing that we think you are a rather COMPLETE idiot, why do you keep posting it.  Do you think that repetition earns you extra virgins or something?
He's catholic.  He gets his virgins now.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:31:02 AM
He's catholic.  He gets his virgins now.

He's WHAT?  You have to be kidding!

But there it is, little difference between the 3 monos...  Can't tell one from another without a brochure...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
He's WHAT?  You have to be kidding!

But there it is, little difference between the 3 monos...  Can't tell one from another without a brochure...

In which case you will have all three jihad you, because you don't pay enough attention to their favorite beef, that they are different ;-)  Where's the beef?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 11:31:02 AM
He's catholic.  He gets his virgins now.

Maybe an odd combination ... if a Muslim becomes a Catholic, does he get to unvirgin the Virgin Mary ;-(
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Maybe an odd combination ... if a Muslim becomes a Catholic, does he get to unvirgin the Virgin Mary ;-(
Can't unvirgin a virgin who was never a virgin; at least not at the time in her life where she had had children.  But, since it is all a fiction, why not?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
Can't unvirgin a virgin who was never a virgin; at least not at the time in her life where she had had children.  But, since it is all a fiction, why not?

You make the Pope sad ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:02:20 PM
In which case you will have all three jihad you, because you don't pay enough attention to their favorite beef, that they are different ;-)  Where's the beef?

I already assume all 3 would "jihad" me.  But the "Ibn" fooled me.

A jew, a moslem, and a christian are in a closed room circling each other with knives drawn.  Waiting to strike their hated fellows.  An atheist walks into the room.  The 3 immediately join together knives aimed him as one .  Saying "Die you heathen"...

I never forget that.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
I already assume all 3 would "jihad" me.  But the "Ibn" fooled me.

A jew, a moslem, and a christian are in a closed room circling each other with knives drawn.  Waiting to strike their hated fellows.  An atheist walks into the room.  The 3 immediately join together knives aimed him as one .  Saying "Die you heathen"...

I never forget that.

You are wise not to.  But most modern Jews are secular.  Many modern Christians are secular.  But only a few modern Muslims are secular.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: SGOS on September 14, 2017, 01:51:50 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Maybe an odd combination ... if a Muslim becomes a Catholic, does he get to unvirgin the Virgin Mary ;-(
Muslim, Catholic, whatever.  It all comes out of the same pot of nonsense, so yes, you can unvirgin a virgin if it suits you.  It's all just metaphorical anyway, so no great harm is done to the virgins, and no vagina is actually violated with the sin of the male.  The virginity of Mary is one of the screwiest of myths in religion, and why it is so important has always been a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
You are wise not to.  But most modern Jews are secular.  Many modern Christians are secular.  But only a few modern Muslims are secular.

The jews I meet are not normally evangical, true, but they aren't the jews in Isreal.  The christians I meet are about 50/50 evangical.  I don't meet many moslems, but from the news I see, they are 99% evangical. 

Let's just that I've seen few theists of any persuasion that won't defend their theism when you get down to the details.

And you are one of them.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 14, 2017, 06:24:31 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 01:17:03 PM
You make the Pope sad ;-)
Thank you.  If only that were so.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
The jews I meet are not normally evangical, true, but they aren't the jews in Isreal.  The christians I meet are about 50/50 evangical.  I don't meet many moslems, but from the news I see, they are 99% evangical. 

Let's just that I've seen few theists of any persuasion that won't defend their theism when you get down to the details.

And you are one of them.

Yes, I will defend who I am, including the thoughts I have.  Do you hide under a rock?  Didn't think so.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: aitm on September 14, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
spend too much time with the turd and you end up smelling like shit.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:51:21 PM
Quote from: aitm on September 14, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
spend too much time with the turd and you end up smelling like shit.

So you oppose good fertilizer? ;-)  You mustn't be a gardener.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 15, 2017, 12:46:36 AM
ok IBN had a little time to start reading your mini-novel. Your comment about Allah not liking muslims taking up the Starship Trooper position was funny. I think as funny as a previous post called the "god fart". but I need a long time to finish the rest of your post cause its too long.

Blackleaf - now I know why god never answered your prayers. It's because you keep eating burritos before its time to pray. We should try not eating any high-fiber food for a whole week before we pray. Maybe this time he will answer ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 15, 2017, 01:13:54 AM
Quote from: fencerider on September 15, 2017, 12:46:36 AMBlackleaf - now I know why god never answered your prayers. It's because you keep eating burritos before its time to pray. We should try not eating any high-fiber food for a whole week before we pray. Maybe this time he will answer ;-)

That or we can burn some animal sacrifice to mask the smell and make sure there aren't any hunchbacks around to offend him.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2017, 06:32:39 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 15, 2017, 01:13:54 AM
That or we can burn some animal sacrifice to mask the smell and make sure there aren't any hunchbacks around to offend him.

You make Quasimodo sad.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 15, 2017, 07:52:03 AM
Wait . you guys are being very unfair to me with this bs about long posts. You do not stick to the topic. You talk about all kind of things . you’re asking me to address them  and I do.

At the same time I have to grabble with Islam’s doggie style method of praying. Everyday , five times a day ,ten of millions of Muslims stick their butt up  towards the sky and per haddith there is an angel standing next to each asking Allah to have mercy on him. I’m wondering what’s up with that shit , you know.  of course there is a sharia law of flatulence.  Shit is a turn off .  shit makes allah  lose his hard on? . what else to think I ask you ? 

And some of the shit you post invites shit  . note that peculiar shit  , in that exchange between cavebear and Barouch. Cavebear says to Barouch she hasn’t seen ( she means met) any evangical (she means evangelical) jews but she qualifies that in that they are not jews of Israel !!!!!! two races of jews. And The idea of Jews proclaiming the OT and what have you is so unlike Judaism as to caste shadow on Barouch claim that he is a jew . how come he did not notice that and correct her. Barouch  is a guy who not only claims to be a jew but said he teaches at the synagogue on top.. . I don’t know about this barouch fellow . odd. 

Also note cavebear  proposed when a jew Christian and Muslim are in the room each will be out to kill the other as per her witness , her phony look phony talk phony 50/50 and 99% take. Cavebear testimony is to be dismissed . she falsified a wikipedai account in my instruction post .  and the oblivious fool  doesn’t know the difference between evangelism, dawa and proselytizing. And even if she did  that’s not how you measure . you measure first by faith . right?

I mean the OT violence was directed towards seven nations and only those seven nations and my boy Jehovah was very clear that it was not because the jews were any better of them , better than those seven nations . It was   judgment deal by him not personal deal. Right? . Similar  judgments he visited on the Jews themselves . Jehovah was blunt instrument to all . He was an equal opportunity punisher. . Outside  those seven nations the jews only fought defensive wars . The jews in terms of King David were a super power. They could have ransacked the world. But the Lord of hosts  orders were very clear, aside from those 7 nations they are not to attack or take so much an inch of other nations lands .if they travel across their land they have  to pay them for any food , water anything they consume . In other words the violence in the OT is specific to a time and place and people . Its judgment oriented  not personal.it was about sinning against him.   

NO , in a room the jew would not attack a Muslim or a Christian. A Jew will only defend himself. 

How come Barouch didn’t say shit about that ?  what manner of Jew is he ?. I say what a web we weave when we practice to deceive  . I guarantee you Barouch knows jack shit about Judaism. He is Wikipedia Judaism. 

Next  take a look at my boy Jesus. Wait a minute .  order. Order . I say order. attention . ten hut.  Salute.  Ladies and gentleman the honorable  Jesus presides ,the one and only Jesus . The god says  love god with all your heart and your neighbor. Who is your neighbor ? the hated Samaritan. The god says we are all sinners and only by grace live we. Love your enemy and bless him who curses you , he says.  in Christianity judgment has been postponed till judgment day. On the cross Jesus made his famous declaration .”forgive them lord for they know not what they do” and by so doing switched to a spiritual enemy, that is the enemy in Christianity  is Satan . He said he came to shackle the strong one â€"ice Satan  The enemy in Christianity is spiritual not physical-ice not man .nope, sorry,  I don’t think so.  Christian in the room has no cause to attack the Muslim. The Christian battle is not with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities . the directive is not to destroy man but to save him . I don’t know about you but I’m moving in with the Christians . look at Muslims , risking their lives on beat up boats trying to move in with the crusaders  .

I am being general here , but if I argue from only Catholicism it will be worse for you. But  ask any Christian  and he will confirm what I have said. I do not lie or falsify like cavebear who falsified a Wikipedia account about surat al Fateha in my introduction post . 

Now lets look at Islam ..to find out what the Muslims will do or behave in the room . . From the quran surat al Tawba  verse 29 :
“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
From Haddith : ……

Sahih Muslim (1:33) - "I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah.'s   

Sahih Bukhari (53:386) - Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."

Note the order to fight and kill Christian and Jews is  for all time .other haddith available to support that .  by contrast  the violence in the OT is temporary and limited in time , space and people, all in the past . no Jew or Christian can go ..oh oh according to the OT I got to kill you . and with Christianity judgment is postponed altogether . to when jesus comes back and does it himself .

That being said I think in the room the Muslim will kill the Christian and jew.

this is just small stuff. If I  go into what kafir really means and other shit I can show a Muslims is ordered to kill all non Muslims if he can

why do you let a low iq retard like cavebear get away with her bullshit ? do you understand why she des not want me here ?
You talk shit and I have to deal with it and then you turn around and wanna talk shit about my posts being long and shit . do munch on your pop corn and watch bugs puny and shut up

Mike made me laugh  .  Mike is  a simpleton . Trdsf is franks botched job. guy brings Barbara Blaine the fraud drug head ,  friends with Dr Taylor 107 child pornography counts jail bird  as victims and opponents of pedophilia  . Islam at its best.

@atim, , I agree. If they hang out with me I’ll de program them . you too.  your ballon about to burst. Have you some ice cream. and come back so i can civilize you some more . easy with the  foul language you downtrodden

Hey check this , in February 2013 ,  Anjem Choudary, an Islamic cleric and popular preacher in the United Kingdom, was secretly taped telling a Muslim audience to follow his example and get “jihad seeker’s Allowance  from the governmentâ€"a pun on “Job Seeker’s Allowance.” The father of four, who receives more than 25,000 pounds annually in welfare benefits, referred to British taxpayers as “slaves,” adding, “We take the jizya, which is our haq [Arabic for “right”]

1-   I could do a piece in difference between Bible Violence and Islamic violence and tear you up  another asshole .
2-   do a piece on jihad  .

have a nice day
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 15, 2017, 08:30:45 AM
@ Ibn Khaldun

The folks here are not interested at all what is in the Quran.

To them, the Quran is just another book, no different from the Bible.
Some here are convinced that Christianity is a greater threat to humanity that Islam can ever be.
(that is due to the relentless media propaganda, and education.)

Quote1-   I could do a piece in difference between Bible Violence and Islamic violence...
Save the effort, it will make no difference at all.

In the USA there is only one religion that exists and that is Christianity. All other religions are irrelevant.

Other than that, please try to stick to facts, without any personal attacks, such as calling names which not going to help you at all.

For your information:

Americans believe that the 9/11 terrorist attack was deserved, because of foreign policies.

The fact that Islam was butchering hundreds of millions of non-believers well before America even existed is erased from the history books, not taught in schools.

When terrorist quote the Quran to justify their actions, it is ignored, not believed. Islam is peace, and terrorist are misunderstanding Islam, or perverting the peaceful religion for their nefarious purposes.

Islam, the ideology can never be blamed. Ever. It is always just a tiny minority of extremists, militants, who are not following the peaceful teachings of the noble religion.
I do not call them extremist, but devout. They are following the teachings of Muhammad.

Most people in the west are willfully ignorant of Islam.

For good reason. Imagine if they find out that Islam is truly a fascist, intolerant supremacist ideology created for conquest and plunder?

What can we do? Well, we leave the decision for the next generation.
We have no will to do anything else.

Carry on.

Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 15, 2017, 09:44:18 AM
Did you guys just smell another fart in here????
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 15, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 15, 2017, 07:52:03 AM
Wait . you guys are being very unfair to me with this bs about long posts. You do not stick to the topic. You talk about all kind of things . you’re asking me to address them  and I do.
We're asking you to address them individually and concisely and grammatically, not in vast walls of poorly written text.

I can appreciate the difficulty in communicating in a language that's not one's first.  Let me offer some advice.

1. Use Google Translate.  It's not perfect, but if you write in short, simple sentences, it's not bad.
2. Sprinkling the word 'shit' throughout your posts doesn't make your point for you.  German is my second language; were I required to write in it at length, I would not be liberally dropping 'scheiß' throughout.
3. The ad hominems need to stop.  What are you, six years old?  Grow up and behave like an adult.  If you want to be taken seriously, act like you deserve to be taken seriously.

If English is your first language, I can but weep in despair over the state of education.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2017, 01:06:26 PM
Pr126 - Americans believe that the 9/11 terrorist attack was deserved, because of foreign policies.

The Left in the US believes that.  But the Left isn't as strong here as it is in GB or mainland Europe.

Ibn Khaldun - You think that Jews still run around on camels, and debate what Moses did or didn't do?  Most Jews aren't even religious anymore.  I am exceptional ... I don't believe in G-d, I know G-d.  Big difference.  And that G-d is not unlike the tyrant in the Tanakh (OT).  Fair, but tough love.  I still don't like Her.  The Muslim version isn't too far from the Jewish version.  But there is some insight in pre-Roman Christianity, before it went Gentile/Infidel, that is of interest.  Those parts came from India via Babylon.  Rabbinic Judaism and Islam lost sight of G-d/Allah ... banished to a far enough place, that rabbis and imams could do whatever they wanted (with the Caliph's permission of course).  Roman Christianity (including Byzantium) lost the necessary Jewish part.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 15, 2017, 02:10:09 PM
Baruch wrote:
QuoteBut the Left isn't as strong here as it is in GB or mainland Europe.
That's what you think.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 16, 2017, 04:59:52 AM
@pr162. I agree a 100% with you .solidarity says so. Company Marsh .

I have to believe in victory even if the odds are not favorable. That’s what makes for a soldier .

The other day I was looking at some of Sharon shit . he was brilliant tank commander . shit looked really bad  and he gets on the tank and goes all out  gung ho yelling on the wires to the brigade ..this me Sharon, I’m here , I’m with you .  and they broke through because of that shit .

Yes education does play role . it makes them incapable of learning, sadly as Trump would say.  .Take for example trdsf , earlier he asked me to allow him to babble and I said no and for him to go back to his room and he is grounded. before you know  it he does it again. This time he ask me to (let) him babble / again trdsf . no I do not let you . go back to your room . you are grounded again . and tell Frankenstein I want to talk to him.

What it’s  all about alfie ? well to begin with trdsf and company were raised in a sardine can.small homes with tiny rooms . everything was within  hearing shot of god be it mommy god or daddy god or both .cuts down drastically on  the animal efforts to explore the world positively, like watch porn . Makes the chimp hate god .

  King David was out there in vast spacious wilderness doing shepherd shit , all alone facing top notch predators like lions and hyenas and snakes and what have you trying to eat him and his sheep. Young kid develops his fighting and battle skills and grows to have the right spirit  . he sings , the lord is my shepherd , the lord is my rod , the lord lay me down and green pasture. David god was his beloved . the true god . not mommy under the xmass  with strange fellow on top moaning shit like a wounded animal. They mixing up god with mommy yonder the can of sardines. So David was not impressed with goliath . took him out and cut off his head.

In Africa among cattle herders its like that .boy reaches age of recognition he is given a bull calf. They become friends . bull follows him everywhere . bull mount cow . boy sees and learns. Bull beat up other  bulls to mount cow . boys sees and learns.  Herd attacked  bulls defends cows with its life need be . Boy sees and learns . boy given a spear and told cow more important than him. Cow gives milk sustains women and kids. Make sure if lions is going to eat someone its you and not the cow. Lions come boys scramble quickly and give lion battle . by contrast , terrorist attacks club , barouch and mike and trdsf scream and trample on each other trying to flee.

But shit is always about  allow me and let me , and lets have format and do it this way and thata way. See they live in those sardine cans and they have to have those rules . Sorry I don’t work like that .  in Arabic I say to them hoc  volo , hoc jubeoa , sic volo . I say hoc and sic to all of them and sit pro ratione voluntas to the limit one more time.

Barouch asks if I think jews are camel people. Jews live in a sardione can today . there is no room to put a camel in a sardine can . How are you going to get the camel in an out of  sardine can , huh?  You can ‘t have a camel Barouch . you are doomed to live your life camel less . Accept it

See here is what you do . you slowly and quietly sneak into the sardine can room , trdsf and Mike watching bugs bunny munching on pop corn .  you coke that shot gun and blow up the screen .boooom  short circuit their brains. Watch the chimps toss that shit in the air and scream mommy mommy mommy I don’t wanna die . tell me  then , is jesus the man or what  ? yes yes yes he is . glad we agree. Go back to munching .

I have to say  generations are made up mostly of useless matter . they do not count. What counts are small groups with intense motivation. Those are the ones who count.  . and that’s the best way we got to feed trdsf and mike their pop corn. I mean in America for example, 50 % of tax burden is paid by less than 1 % of the people. Throw in those who  make over 100 thousand and the figure goes up to over 70% . the rest , the thirty percent, comes from corporations  and some shit ,  minor shit .

You have to look at the data . the voting patterns . they call it progressive One time Romney was caught on tape  saying 50 % of America want hand outs.

Basically it is  population control and managements issues. Americans are by far hardest to manage because they’re like combination mind set, bit European, African and native Americans. But they do line up and fall in line when the shit hits the fan. The majority do .

  Barouch is about defense mechanism . he has to be contrary . he is old you know. Mind not supple. He is like my father when he got old. He needed time to think things . but he packed a whole lot of wisdom. Old people are like that . the difference Barocuh it got to him. He is like its all fake. Judaism came from India. Fake fake fake . Its about the word having a being of itself . what he says to himself  is what is true  regardless of the facts on the ground . note he does not believe in god but he knows her . she is a tyrant he says. He talks of his ex wife. Its like that with him . he is not an exception. He is wounded roaster .pretty common shit out there . no exception .

Evangelism is Christian. Strictly Christian. Cavebear is from  a Muslim background . only Islam makes that mistake .

Hey Barouch, old man, I apologize for being rude at times. Hey my wife loves me because I make it so she alternates between misery and ecstasy. I see her happy I make her miserable. She is miserable I make her happy. Keep her hormones going up and down she don’t know what the hell is going on.keep the woman confused . do not let her think.  Apply strict control of her blood pressure and heart rate. Keep her confused at all times and then turn around and say to her what is the matter honey ? whats bothering you baby ?  here is a couple of valium . go the fuck back to sleep. Fear is also very important. My wife is terrified of me . I don’t blame her . I myself I’m scared of myself. Goddamn lunatic.

What if she leaves. I will break down and cry and threaten to take my life . when she is gone and I am sure she is gone , call the gang and have a party . celebrate . but my wife is not going anywhere . women like me . she sees that . so she is going to stay. She knows she is replaceable with the snap of a finger .

I’m just so glad I’m Catholic and not like them . I’m Christian. Jesus is god . Mohammed was a thug .Ghandi was racist. Repeat after me racist racists . ghandi was a racist .  hey they spend all that money making the movie . I fuck it up for them with one sentence. I got my advantages . and hey that streamline is the shit
thank you for listening . behave .no eek eak eek now , you hear? i come back and beat you
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2017, 09:02:18 AM
Gandhi was proof that heroes have clay feet.

Ibn is a mahraj or Ù...هرج.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 16, 2017, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 16, 2017, 09:02:18 AM
Gandhi was proof that heroes have clay feet.

Ibn is a mahraj or Ù...هرج.

Thought that was wonder woman, cause her mother sculpted her out of clay
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 17, 2017, 04:20:26 AM
Oh only barouch and Munch left ?
no problem will take care of those two too . just another coffee and brandy to breakfast served .

@ Barouch. Don’t say proof y. Note I use trample, stomp, piss on your claims , you do not know proof . You do not do proof barouch. You not capable  of it. don’t say proof again.

The word Jews used two thousands years ago was sign. See I told you Barouch doesn’t know jack shit about Judaism .

the sign Ghandi gave was that of a scoundrel and back stabber- to the English who tried to civilize him but failed. Only a scoundrel would use patriotism / Ghandi did / Ghandi was scoundrel. Its not proof , but will do . . Bertrand Russell  argued that successfully .

So she was the  hero who left you because she had clay feet ?

No barouch the reason why she dumped you was   because she didn’t know about stun guns. If she knew she would have purchased one and stunned you  first thing in the morning and afterwards as needed , just keep recharging them batteries or get back ups.

Ghandi is symptomatic of the English failure to acknowledge the basic truth that they can’t civilize the uncivilized .  the English are a conceited people . they think their shit is so great people are going to embrace their shit and dump theirs .it didn’t happen with ghandi and it won’t happen with others .peopel do not embrace good shit . people embrace bad shit . Ghandi remained uncivilized, a tribalism  savage who called Africans savages .takes one to know one is the right cliché

Pr126 talks about next generations. Leave it to next generation? To Munch? to watching porn Munch?what will happen the English will become uncivilized shit themselves . That’s what the future holds. Its called entropy.decay .

People will never acknowledge that English colonialism  was one of the worst things  that happened to mankind. The English spread their knowledge and genius freely around and by so doing  empowered the uncivilized cultures. The end result , the uncivilized cultures, the failed civilizations  now have the bomb.

The evidence is Barouch . you can’t civilize Barouch. You got to keep charging that stun day in and day out and continue zapping him. Not good. won' work. . all shit today is made in china. Breaks downs. And one day the whole place is going to be blown away into smithereens followed by permanent power outage and you won’t be able to charge the stun gun and there will no energy to use to   help Barouch .

Go to Africa and when no one is listening an African intellectual will freely own that Africa is worse off without the English , much worse off and that apartheid was better than what they have now in South Africa.  its all nothing but an Orwellian  deal they cry between tears. .

How do  I know ? I have to travel a lot and I meet a lot of people . people you do not get to meet .

You can’t civilize people. You can’t civilize me . I was and remain an Arab.  When I got to America what I saw was the candy store . I embraced America. Women booze , booze women. I’m very Arab focused. Nothing blurs my vision. I even made friends with the KKK. Yes I had KKK friends because they also had nice women to ravish.  I go to my Jewsih buddy doc , I get the pills, I sell them to the KKK. To Johnny KKK. Hey Johnny what’s up my good racist friend? How is the life treating ya? how is  the cause ? doing great?

Johnny KKK  believed in something  he called cause . I ask him …hey Johnny whats the cause ? he says to me , “ the cause , you know the cause ,  the cause , the cause “ . To this fucking day I don’t know what the fuck was he talking about .what  cause ? goddamn monkeys

Point is Ghandi was no different from Johnny KKK.

Okay Barouch , lets have it. This  business of India  and Babylon. Don’t be scared. Speak old man.takalam ya joha   . something in that little brain of yours wants to share 

Hey seems there has been a terrorist attack in the UK. They say ..no no we will not let the terrorists intimidate  us ..life will continue as usual….we are too great to let that happen(conceit) …just look to the proper perspective ..keep shit in perspective… more people die from automobile accident ….. nah nah terrorism is bullshit…just a handful of radicals.. do not worry ….. keep munching and watching bugs bunny and going  fiction…… we got more police on the street ( after the fact of course and as usual)…do not panic ….

Do not believe them . start building your own bomb shelter . make sure it can withstand the bomb. I’d make sure I have enough room for plenty women, from all varieties . to kick start the kick start the human race .mix business with pleasure .women , you can't have enough of them. each one  is so not unique you know.

See the shit heads in the media talk about everything except the source. Islam is death culture. It teaches the Muslim to hold life in contempt . it teaches the Muslim to hate life . it tells him to purchase the hereafter via killing as many people as he can. Allah bellows in the quran and haddith… but who would sell him his life for 72 virgins. Nothing equals jihad fee sabeel al allah . nothing can substitute jihad . Moahmmed and the quran makes that fact  very clear. nothing what’s so ever ===Anyone wants to argue the point by all means , bring it on.

They refuse to assume responsibility for what they have done . so they talk shit . first admit they fucked up letting that shit  in. that’s the road to recovery to  a cure.  Simply put , ban Islam . 
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 17, 2017, 05:23:28 AM
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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Without India ... there would be no Arabic numerals or zero.  Babylon and Judah were civilized for how many centuries before most of Arabia?  But you are from Egypt, so your people were also civilized for many centuries before most of Arabia.  Civilization didn't start ... with the Hejaz ... there was already some civilization in Nabatea and Saba.  The Caliphate, for awhile, brought about political integration that had been missing since Alexander.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 10:03:48 AM
Maybe the blow fish should graduate to a pufferfish.  All blow hard--no substance; typical catholic.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 10:03:48 AM
Maybe the blow fish should graduate to a pufferfish.  All blow hard--no substance; typical catholic.

Don't be koi about your views, yes?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 17, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
seriously can you imagine what this guy be like if he had kids and saying goodbye to them in the morning when dropping them off at school. by the time he's done giving his kids a 79 paragraph long essay, half the school day would be over. 
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2017, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: Munch on September 17, 2017, 10:54:18 AM
seriously can you imagine what this guy be like if he had kids and saying goodbye to them in the morning when dropping them off at school. by the time he's done giving his kids a 79 paragraph long essay, half the school day would be over.

Normally the Irish are guilty of this, and the Greeks.  Maybe he is really Greek-Irish and not Egyptian?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 17, 2017, 02:24:27 PM
I think he's just practicing his English writing skills - and obviously he needs lots more practice. Why'd he have to come here for it, though?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 18, 2017, 12:39:06 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 17, 2017, 02:24:27 PM
I think he's just practicing his English writing skills - and obviously he need lots more practice. Why'd he have to come here for it, though?
I offered the best advice I could.  Guess he doesn't care whether he looks like a fool or not.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 18, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
if ibn doesnt lay off the hashish, he's gonna be an ex-communicated Catholic. I can think of a hundred Catholics that would run away from him. Not a good muslim, not a good catholic - oh well can't be good at everything
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 18, 2017, 03:44:21 AM

Few months in office and Trump scores multiple TKOs for America. He boxed in Qatar , head quarters of Organization of Muslim Brothers Qatar,  and Hamas has caved in. King of Bahrain Hamad al  khaleefa   denounces boycott of Israel and declares his subjects are free and welcome to visit Israel. And check , Saudia Arabia , Egypt and  emirate  moving to change and are changing  school curriculum , freeze religious speech  and modify social institution to prepare people to accept Israel and secularism with time line of ten years . American multi layered shit unleashed full throttle. Arrests and liquidation around the clock by Arabic regimes . Replaced by apolitical Egyptian army security apparatus , etc .a lot of shit Trump is doing behind closed door. Merkel of Germany and company have been given a stern warning by Trump to push off or else . . The witch shrugged off the rise of the euro after ecb meet earlier this months but inside she is hurting .go go Trump. Bomb NK . war is the answer ,kill that coon with tomahawk blast . 

Pr126, see what one old man can do ?and you want to talk to me about next generation?

Barouch, you did good.really.  Basically we are dealing with two last responses you made to me.this one and the one before it .  the one before  you spoke of   pre roman Christians elements  ( shaking my head here )which according to you   are parts of Indian shit via Babylon. . I told you keep talking and you made the after  response     that was  totally irrelevant and not related   except for one thing , the word Babylon. You managed to indentify the word Babylon in your first response and remember it long enough to type it  in your following response . This means you are   insane but are aware . it means  if you shoot someone( you know who)  you will call an ambulance and/or the police. You should be proud for that . you way ahead of trdsf, mike and munch .persevere  and you could build online record you could use to mount  a successful  insanity  plea .

MY OP stands . I beat you all. You have been defeated by a Catholic on your own turf. Catholicism is the good, the beautiful and the best . Jesus said an atheist is a fool. You are . you don’t have to prove it to me. I already know that. Relax. Have some ice cream

Barouch you sounded like a high school drop out there . say Semite , not Jew , Arab , Egyptian ,ect. They  started all the way back from southern Arabia  all the way to Sinai and “Israel” today . Semite , hunter gatherer, cattle herders. 

You’re exasperating . OT is the oldest shit .genesis.  the sky god created the sun and ordered the earth to bring forth this and that . Agriculture says the sun created the sky god  . since cattle herders /hunter gatherers came first then OT is oldest . then comes Jesus when they’re ready and speaks to them in terms of plants . you know that vine shit . the vine this and that .
The talking to people today is causing too much damage. Mobile phones and the net is coupled with unacceptable  rates of depression and suicide .other serious issues .

Now I have no idea what that bar talk by you, that “political integration” means , but what I know starting from the companion of Mohammed all the way to the end of the Umayyad there was a caste system not unlike your hero that racist , backstabber to the people who gave him an education , Ghandi the self professed racist . I the Arab came first , then that was followed by al muwali (non arab convert to islam)  , then the slave , then dhimi ( you) and then the Kafir . but the distinction between dihmmi and kafir was discretionally really . the elite and useful ones belong with the sultan. The rest of dihmmis are open season., I coudl do a piece to show you where you rank on the list -at bottom . would you like that ?

Check hudood . adultery .death for dhimmis regardless. So dihmmis are  lower than slave because slave given lashes..etc

@fencerider. Actually sometimes they won’t let me in the church. They wait for me at the door  and they tell me I can’t come in . I tell them I want to come and pray. They say no. I say okay and I leave. I did my part. And I can bring a truck full of machine guns. But I don’t. I love Catholics. They my people . my people are good to me even if they wrong me . but  when they need something they call me.

@unbelivered. Say practice writing. Hone skill. Test skill. Its never language . its brains and you  have mediocre one . I estimate your IQ to be around 95 . take it with mother nature and its` meager gifts to you. Its not my fault. your case is hopless because brain can to be practiced. doomed to stupidity for life. amazingly Trdsf didn't pick up on your poor writing and articulation. says you two belong together.

@ Mike. And what are you ? You are five times blow fish. no ten times blow fish. Go ahead your turn . change that from high school drop out to kinder garden drop out .you're kinder garden drop out .

Pr126 , says it does not matter . I disagree. My monkey pig post was locked . I have plenty to deprogram them. I can do , for example that is, sharia law of sex with dead wife corpse. Mohammed had sex with the corpse of Fatima according to haddith . the salafist wanted to pass bill past  the Egyptian parliament okaying necrophilia. Its called Nikah al wada’. Basically when the wife dies the marriage bond is not dissolved for six months. She is still his wife. He sleeps with her cadaver to say one final goodbye

I got also fatwa regarding whether it is lawful for a Muslim to slaughter and eat an animal someone had sex with . for example if a Muslim lets say has sex with a goat is it lawful to eat that goat or any of its future off springs ? 

I got nursing of adults. Is it lawful for Muslim to help himself to breast milk of his women.

Woo unto men  who have sex with their kids and their dead and drink the breast milk of their women.

What will happen I will be leveraging western mind set affinity for pet, shit that instilled in their minds sometime in the 1800s . you just got to know how to push their buttons. Its easy really. They go eek eak eek.

Look ,just put me in charge of dept of education . I fix shit  for you. Better still put me in charge of army and give me the gadget box , teh oen with the  the buttons. I fix the planet for you.  Believe you me . I fix  the world for you.

Barouch no more bar talk please and kinder garden  misinformation. What’s your diagnosis? Are homicidal too ? stay away from cadavers, your Semite record is cause for concern. Extremely. Eat beef. Only beef.

bye all
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Jason78 on September 18, 2017, 04:23:34 AM
It's kinda sad thinking about how much effort he put into that wall of text for it to end up being read by nobody.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 18, 2017, 06:49:54 AM
Funny, since you have so many sacred cows Ibn, that you recommend eating beef ;-0

Yes, there was ... and still is a class/caste system, everywhere.  It is how people organize themselves.  So?

How about .. the mikvah?  Sacred ritual bathing.  Didn't really exist in Judaism until after Babylon.  Bet that came from India.  The mikvah is a dry man's way of dropping one's sins into the Mother Ganges or Indus?  And then John the Baptist extends that, to the Jordan.  Which in proper Jewish mythology, is crossed over dry shod.  So what John is doing is an inversion of Jewish mythology, but perfect Hinduism.  And from John, this gets into Gentile Christianity eventually ... sprinkling babies but not remembering this all comes from India.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Mike Cl on September 18, 2017, 09:05:49 AM
Don't know what you said, but a blow fish has to do what a blow fish does--blowviate, blowviate, blowviate; which equals senseless bullshit.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 18, 2017, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: fencerider on September 18, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
if ibn doesnt lay off the hashish, he's gonna be an ex-communicated Catholic.
I would envy him that. I've often wished I were a Catholic just so I could be excommunicated. What we have here is a failure to excommunicate!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 18, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: fencerider on September 18, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
if ibn doesnt lay off the hashish, he's gonna be an ex-communicated Catholic. I can think of a hundred Catholics that would run away from him. Not a good muslim, not a good catholic - oh well can't be good at everything
Two religions down, about 4,200 to go.  I suppose he'll have to inflict himself on Judaism next.  Wake me when he hits something that requires a vow of perpetual silence...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 18, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 18, 2017, 03:24:21 PM
I would envy him that. I've often wished I were a Catholic just so I could be excommunicated. What we have here is a failure to excommunicate!

Now you get excommunicated from not paying your cell phone bill ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 18, 2017, 06:38:35 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 18, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Two religions down, about 4,200 to go.  I suppose he'll have to inflict himself on Judaism next.  Wake me when he hits something that requires a vow of perpetual silence...

Monks have to actually do physical labor.  I suspect like most Arabs, he is allergic to that as well ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:35:01 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 14, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
Yes, I will defend who I am, including the thoughts I have.  Do you hide under a rock?  Didn't think so.

So assuming you are Christian (as it seems), where do you stand on the obligation to convert others?  To you want to?  Do you try to?  Should you?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 19, 2017, 03:26:24 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 18, 2017, 03:24:21 PM
What we have here is a failure to excommunicate!
how can we ex-communicate if we have not yet gotten to communicate? cant end a conversation that never began. whatever IBN is trying to say isnt getting across because he is writing so much that nobody is trying to read his whole post


Quote from: trdsf on September 18, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Two religions down, about 4,200 to go.  I suppose he'll have to inflict himself on Judaism next.  Wake me when he hits something that requires a vow of perpetual silence...
might be more interesting to see how he deals with the spaghetti monster
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 03:32:45 AM
Quote from: fencerider on September 19, 2017, 03:26:24 AM
how can we ex-communicate if we have not yet gotten to communicate? cant end a conversation that never began. whatever IBN is trying to say isnt getting across because he is writing so much that nobody is trying to read his whole post

might be more interesting to see how he deals with the spaghetti monster

I've read his whole posts several times.  And never have one of them actually made much sense.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 19, 2017, 04:13:18 AM
****yawna*****  zzzzzzzzzz. Yo make me wanna go back to sleep with your lack of brains activity.

Okay huddle up . I really don’t have time these days. Just quick bit of trampling on you. Stay still .incidentally doesn’t take me effort or time . to start the day.

@Cavebear, nothing is supposed to make sense  to you. you read wikipedia account about surat al fatiha and the  report you gave had  nothing to  do with the Wikipedia account. Simple shit you messed up. Its not me . its you. You somehow can read but do not understand what you read , not to mention there is question about your veracity. And You think jews evangelize . that’s ridiculous thing to say . you talk nonsense. There is something wrong with you in the head. I'm innocent .

Are you people posting from an asylum or some shit like that ? I’m serious. do you see people wearing white coats and uniform ?  no they are not pretending . They are not actors. you’re in the nut house. 

@ Barouch. now you say organize. Before you said political  integration. Its all the same to you .  bar talk. More bar talk.
Okay , source. Show me the authoritative source that says that . show me the source that says the treatment of non Muslims is  an organization deal by people . you said people organize themselves . show me the source for that claim and show me it is all  one and the same thing. . show me the source that says people do organize themselves and that  applies to Muslims in relationship to non Muslims in particular and the nature of that relationship what  makes it all the same . . .you  said that  in response to my  response regarding your political integration take . I want to know your source for that. Show me the source .

You said “so”.  Okay. show me one source a legitimate source that says so what ? that its  all the same . then we can talk about me and how you should understand what I’ve  said , that is understood plain speech .

BTW Barouch, do you believe the holocaust happened or do you think the shit was made up?

Come here ya majnoon. Why do you say to me that Mikveh  does not “really” exist prior..” ….??? Did I say it did ?  did I mention Mikveh?   who are you talking to ? are you talking to yourself ? get your shit together old man.

Show me the source that says , mikveh  is sacred ritual and did not exit prior to Babylon. I want the source and I want to know what it said . I want to know what it says about this Mikveh thing. . what is it ? where did it come from? Why ? How did it fly from India to Babylon when the Jews were there ? date, time , local religions and and and . I want texts , artifacts ,etc.
Show me the source for the rest of your nonsense. That is I want an authoritative source that at minimum backs itself with verses or statements in religious texts and authoritative interpretations, etc . no one should  presume to speak for  Indians. Jews, Christians specially  something they are not saying without the sources .  point the verses please and which book  that said that shit .point out the Indian verses and which book. 

Yala , move it .I want AL  Marjaa.

@ Unblelivered.did you know that excommunicated catholics are known to write the longest post ? yep. Its true . you think I write long shit ? so  mistaken.

Your articulation is awkward. Earlier you said to practice skill. Skill is not something you practice. Now you say ,“I would envy him that”.you should say it would make you so and so.

Hey dummy English is not my native tongue. I got my excuse. What’s yours ? in the future make sure you talk right . you fucking up what English I’ve learned .

I doubt you would be ex communicated because if you become catholic that would spell the end of the faith. There won’t be anyone to excommunicate you. 
   
@Mike. So you’re blow tadpole. Its tadpole not fish.  what the hell do you want me to do about it  ?  you’re  harmless fictional blow tadpole. No mike is a mouse. No mike is a snail. No mike is mike. Mike is a miracle that somehow escaped the extinction of Neanderthals. Talk like a man Mike. That’s women shit . you’ve  been sitting with the woman for too  long you talk like one .sex change on the horizon? Don’t  go there Mike .

@jason .  thanks for talking the trouble. Your message has arrived . I tossed in the bin. there is the front door. Dismissed. . good bye . bon voyage. I don’t want to see you here again.  Do you or do you not understand ?

@trdsf . more like two blunders by you taken down by me  if you ask me.   Barbara Blaine and Dr.Taylor with the 107 pornography count you out did Frankenstein there . 

why do you have that monster picture ? to embellish yourself ?  People will take notice of you. Center of attention shit . its stupid. I demand that you remove that picture immediately . I protest.

Just kidding guys . do not  get cross with me. You my buddies. I’m your Catholic friend . Catholicism is strength , wisdom, goodness , beauty , bravery , courage. You live in fear. A catholic doesn’t , a catholic is the strongest. He is the  power .. Muslims and atheists break rank and flee on the battle field. The catholic marshes on , going ..though I walk in the valley of shadow of death I fear no evil. And jesus loves you. He loves you .he does. I don’t . I’m in total disagreement with him regarding you.

Mike look under the bed tonite . There is  something  under your bed. Something not good . all kidding aside . I’m serious .  . just go look. Its there . how do I know ? I just do . its there . it is not good . no good at all. I'm serious . don't listen to me and you will regret it. mark my word.

Just kidding guys. Lets be friends . start all over again. I’m sorry . I’m sorry for all the not nice things I said to you. Too late to take them back. But lets turn a new fresh page. a new beginning . ya killab ya haywanat - that’s  great people in Arabic . it says you're  great folks. I'm so happy to know you.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 04:51:13 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 19, 2017, 04:13:18 AM
****yawna*****  zzzzzzzzzz. Yo make me wanna go back to sleep with your lack of brains activity.

Okay huddle up . I really don’t have time these days. Just quick bit of trampling on you. Stay still .incidentally doesn’t take me effort or time . to start the day.

@Cavebear, nothing is supposed to make sense  to you. you read wikipedia account about surat al fatiha and the  report you gave had  nothing to  do with the Wikipedia account. Simple shit you messed up. Its not me . its you. You somehow can read but do not understand what you read , not to mention there is question about your veracity. And You think jews evangelize . that’s ridiculous thing to say . you talk nonsense. There is something wrong with you in the head. I'm innocent .

Are you people posting from an asylum or some shit like that ? I’m serious. do you see people wearing white coats and uniform ?  no they are not pretending . They are not actors. you’re in the nut house. 


Just kidding guys. Lets be friends . start all over again. I’m sorry . I’m sorry for all the not nice things I said to you. Too late to take them back. But lets turn a new fresh page. a new beginning . ya killab ya haywanat - that’s  great people in Arabic . it says you're  great folks. I'm so happy to know you.

Oh Ibn, you crazy theist.  In the sense that I need a laugh from time to time, you are a certain source.

I mean, WHO refers to other posters by their member numbers?  That is truly "unique". 

Aside from that, is the idea that all theists evangelize so odd?  All do, though you might note that I said the Jews seem to do it the least. 

I don't care about "surat al fatiha" any more than I care about any other fanatic theistic group.  That's all a Fig Newton of your imagination.  Theists are all pretty much one of a kind to me.

You really are one of a kind.  So are most other nuts.  Most sane people are pretty much similar; most nuts are unique in their own way.

Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
"Show me the source" .. you want chapter and verse?  I don't consider writing, not even scripture, to be authoritative.  It is only authoritative to the numbskulls who think it should drive their thinking and actions.  I reject most authority.  But if you know your history, then you know that due to excessive growth, primitive technology, and external threats (particularly the Turks and Mongols and Berbers) ... the Caliphate fell apart early starting in 750 CE, in Spain.  It has never recovered that fatal error of allowing a single Umayyad royal to escape alive.  And the fitna of the earlier years lives on in the Shia movements ... that was always a long term risk to political integration.  BTW - won't be giving you a rabbi-free history of Judaism since Cyrus.  The evidence is there, and the rabbis lie just like imams.

"Do you believe the holocaust happened or do you think the shit was made up?" ... of course it happened.  But what was it?  It was the invention of the Nazis, not the Jews, to meet their ideological/propaganda of that time.  No Jew uses "holocaust" ... it is insulting, we say HaShoah.  So as a word, it didn't happen.  Also the victims are insulted by the implication that they don't meet Muslim definitions of who is a Jew (only a small percentage are Kuzari ... as we now know, and I don't have a narrow view of who is a Jew anyway).  Screw Islam on that point ... I can say you aren't Muslim unless you are 100% Arab and live in Arabia.  Also it is insulting to not mourn the other 60 million people who died prematurely.



Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 19, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:35:01 AM
So assuming you are Christian (as it seems), where do you stand on the obligation to convert others?  To you want to?  Do you try to?  Should you?
I don't think Baruch is a Christian - he believes that he is God. At least, that's what I think a demi-god believes.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 19, 2017, 01:18:51 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 03:32:45 AM
I've read his whole posts several times.  And never have one of them actually made much sense.
Ah, you read his posts so I don't have to! Thanks!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
I don't think Baruch is a Christian - he believes that he is God. At least, that's what I think a demi-god believes.

Poor use of words.  Everything is supernatural (or at least non-natural).  So everyone is a demigod.  But if you know any mythology, Heracles isn't Zeus, just son of Zeus philandering with a Greek woman.  When a demigod thinks they are Zeus, they get special treatment, don't they?  Think Prometheus (a Titan) or Sisyphus (a human).
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 19, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
I don't think Baruch is a Christian - he believes that he is God. At least, that's what I think a demi-god believes.

Nolo Condendre...
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 19, 2017, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 19, 2017, 04:13:18 AM****yawna*****  zzzzzzzzzz. Yo make me wanna go back to sleep with your lack of brains activity.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:24:03 PM
Poor use of words.  Everything is supernatural (or at least non-natural).  So everyone is a demigod.  But if you know any mythology, Heracles isn't Zeus, just son of Zeus philandering with a Greek woman.  When a demigod thinks they are Zeus, they get special treatment, don't they?  Think Prometheus (a Titan) or Sisyphus (a human).

Don't push a weak argument too far.  Right now most everyone doesn't feel like arguing.  Declare victory and go home, LOL!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:35:01 AM
So assuming you are Christian (as it seems), where do you stand on the obligation to convert others?  To you want to?  Do you try to?  Should you?

Confused?  Are you questioning Ibn?  I have been a practicing Christian in the past.  I married into it.  So?  But I am Abrahamic, I appreciate Judaism, Christianity and Islam.  And other religions as well, such as Hinduism and Buddhism.  I am liberal that way ;-)

Yes, most Christians take the primacy of the Tanakh as gospel (they do not) ... and accept that paganism had something to contribute to the discussion (they do not).  They also think that Jesus is a real person (he clearly is not) and is uniquely G-d incarnate (he clearly is not).  They also believe in substitutionary atonement (I do not).  I do understand the historical background of those beliefs however.  But I am not an ancient person, most mornings ;-)

The first conversion faith, universal faith, was Buddhism.  All other religions were ethnic.  Christianity borrowed from that, and Islam borrowed from Christianity.  The Jewish POV is that encouraging conversion is bad.  In fact officially, voluntary conversion to Judaism is to be resisted.  Being non-rabbinic, I don't have a problem with who does or doesn't convert, to what, or for what reason.  I don't accept clerical authority ... and I accept freedom of belief and practice.  So I can't be a Muslim either.  Just a heretic Jewish person, that is enough.

So for me, other than being appropriately up-front with who I am, and what I believe, and what I do ... I don't seek any converts to my particular views, or to Judaism in general.  It isn't my problem what others believe or do.  I respect their privacy and their freedom to express themselves.  Cooperation where possible, confrontation only if there is no other alternative.

For people who are simpatico ... to that extent I worship, socialize or teach at synagogue.  The rabbi has his POV, I have mine, but I have no need to rock his boat, nor do I hide myself under a bushel basket.  So what extra do I do? ... in teaching Hebrew, I am teaching prayer, Biblically.  I seek to enhance the prayer lives of those who want to follow my lead, in a way consistent with the aims of the congregation and leadership.  In Hebrew, kavvanah is not what you pray, but how you pray.  Of course it helps if I know some Hebrew, know what good prayers are like (we are doing the Psalms), and what prayer is good for.  But this only came with maturity, I didn't start out this way.

So no, I am not here to convert anyone, nor would I want to, nor will I try to.  Nor should I.  Your paranoia about theism in my case is unjustified.  Most Christians and Muslims will try to convert you ... and my people who I identify with, have suffered much as a consequence.  Buddhist evangelicals are much more laid back.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 20, 2017, 04:43:22 AM
Listen this time only . I have to split. Will be back if I have time . you are just so far out

@barouch . sorry but it has already been established you believe in any writing no matter what. You believe in Wikipedia . in my introduction post you cited wikipedia as your source. That means any shit is fine by you.

Stop lying to me and talking nonsense about other folks writing. What is at issue here is YOUR  writing and you need to  back up your  shit . else it doesn't mean shit . just quack quack quack . you know walk like , looks like oen , talks like one then it is one.

What I mean you’re a repeating  machine.  .where did you copy your shit from? you’re a lay person. A nobody . nowhere man. You read it somewhere. .You do not have a time machine . you did not travel back in time and took a survey or did a study . you read shit and you repeated shit. where did you get your shit from?

Now if you’re saying you are another Higgins that feeds into my OP. . Higgins did not believe in history and went an invented his own. I’ve already mentioned that in my OP. when I did I wasn’t saying send me the  Higgins clowns. Was I Barouch??  Stop being one then . 

  back that shit of yours that Mikveh did not exist before Babylon. Back up the other shit you said .How do you know that ?
 
. Now the real reason why I ask  for your sources is not  really to make you back up your shit. I know you can’t.. you are just a repeating machine. What I was trying to do is locate the phony source you copied shit from. That “inverse” and whatnot  the lingo and claims  you wrote ultimately trace back to phony sources that doctored and altered  shit that belongs to one Benjamin walker , encyclopedic survey of Hinduism, volume K, New York  1983, pages 240-241. The phony source you repeated changed Walkers  shit from inverse to Christianity to inverse to Hinduism. That is instead of  Hinduism copied from Christianity to Christianity copied from Hinduism .  Any similarities between Hinduism and Christianity is a subject of debate.  . that is  true among scholars. They talk about  what and when the copying took place, etc . but all   scholars in the field all agree that Hinduism copied from Christianity .and Benjamin walker is one and he is not a Christian either.

Barouch get this into your repeating machine head. ALL SCHOLARS ARE AGREED THAT IF THERE WAS ANY COPYING IT WAS HINDUISM THAT COPIED FROM CHRISTIANITY. Benjamin Walker is one back up. I can provide others.

Now I want that  source you copied your shit from  because there is money to be made or at least some leverage to be exploited .I’m hoping there is a chance its not Wikipedia . if it was a publication by certain money making mercenaries  that would be great . I want my cut or else I tell them I’m telling.

If you were a Christian how come you did not correct cavebear on her take on evangelism?
If you’re a Christian how come you do not know that remission of sin as in baptism is not due to washing with water  ?

If you are jew how come you do not know that Mikveh is an ancient “Jewish” LAW rooted in genesis ?

Do you believe Nazis systematically targeted jews and  killed Jews in Germany in wwii and do you believe the number of those Jews killed was 6 million?

For you to mention Spain that sounds very Muslim. All terrorist organization are obsessed with Spain and returning it back to the fold. That’s all they talk about . so called moderate Muslims also are obsessed with that Spain shit .sermon after sermon .

You can say you’re not a Muslim , but a lot of your take aligns with Muslims sentiments and mind sets . your take is consistent  with the sort of doctored Islamic narrative pitched to the commoners and lay people. They teach them the shit you regurgitated  at school and the mosque .

this is going to be changed and is being changed currently . rejoice barouch you will end up the only one who believes in that shit of yours. You will be truly unique. Cavebear thinks that’s great .

I’m working on bunch of resources to present some  ideas as to how to change that school curriculum. One source I was furnished with is just too brutal.  This Mohammed saeed doesn’t mince words.he goes,  from the get go Islam had nothing to do with the word organize or integrate as high school drop out barouch was brain washed to believe . . The correct term is governance and administration. The first four Caliphs were all murdered. No law or order whatsoever. All blood feuds used to settle scores. . the fighting is all about money .despite the massive wealth from loot and booty the people were kept dirt poor . I’m looking at shit like that North Korea dictator . Kim ping pong . . Kim blows roughly 600 million dollars on himself annually while the people are dirt poor . the first four Caliphs were exactly that except they butchered non Muslims to take their wealth routinely and kept Muslims dirt poor and Muslims who opposed them opposed them because they where the have not . they got  killed or killed the caliph and took over  repeating the same set up and the rest were dispatched in continuous cycle of conquest and loot . in spain they  got checked by a slick Christian general  . slick guy because he spread a rumor   that he send his guys to the rear to take back their booty. Chaos ensued and the Muslims said fuck it and turned around to go secure their loot and that was that . he butchered them .

  This shit can’t be fixed. If you tell the truth what will happen Muslims will simply become atheists . that’s the trend anyways . Islam reformation is a really difficult challenge if not impossible to do. .just  the Quran says it is  . that shit need a lot of it’s shit struck off . just tear out  the pages and throw them away . most of the quran has been suspended but that’s not solution .the solution has to be in the context of religion separated from Law/sharia . what am I talking about ? see thats your problem. not mine...

If I have time I will do a piece on reformation of Islam, and treatment of non Muslims per Islam. And maybe another on so called Islamic governance . basically Umayyad , Abbasside, and ottomans , etc . it was all Kim ping pong

Buddhism? The oldest script is 12 century AD. I would check that . I am not sure but I  think it is . but the reason why you want the script and text and verses  is determine who copied from who .and you need to know about shit like Walker and Barbara Blaine so you can catch the repeating machines like Barouch and trdsf with their pants down.

My OP stands. You got whipped . I’m the catholic., I came , I saw , I conquered.

Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 20, 2017, 06:51:26 AM
I am a scholar ... in my own way.  But not Politically Correct, not Left.  I am aware that Third World people think that their regime's propaganda is better than American propaganda, because it isn't ... American.  Sorry, but you repeatedly demonstrate that you aren't a serious person, not that you have to be serious.  I joke a lot too, and the peanut gallery doesn't get mine either.

So yes, I was there ... all Jews were magically with Moses and the multitude before Mt Sinai.

Jews were talking to Khidr long before Muhammad was born.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr

Nasreddin you are not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasreddin

You are a lazy fool are you not?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh

There were mikveh that people had to pass thru, on the Temple Mount, as built by King Herod.  John the Baptist story can be seen as a mocking of that, in Indian style.  Indians fully immerse.  This is clearly an Indian custom.

As a Jewish prophet myself, I am in the Quran, by implication.  Allah and I know what you do ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: aitm on September 20, 2017, 03:15:38 PM
From what little I have read from the "great defender" he would make a fine stone polisher.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 20, 2017, 03:47:59 PM
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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Jason78 on September 21, 2017, 04:03:05 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 20, 2017, 04:43:22 AM
My OP stands. You got whipped . I’m the catholic., I came , I saw , I conquered.

The pigeon shits all over the chessboard and proclaims victory.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 01:51:59 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
Confused?  Are you questioning Ibn?  I have been a practicing Christian in the past.  I married into it.  So?  But I am Abrahamic, I appreciate Judaism, Christianity and Islam.  And other religions as well, such as Hinduism and Buddhism.  I am liberal that way ;-)

Yes, most Christians take the primacy of the Tanakh as gospel (they do not) ... and accept that paganism had something to contribute to the discussion (they do not).  They also think that Jesus is a real person (he clearly is not) and is uniquely G-d incarnate (he clearly is not).  They also believe in substitutionary atonement (I do not).  I do understand the historical background of those beliefs however.  But I am not an ancient person, most mornings ;-)

The first conversion faith, universal faith, was Buddhism.  All other religions were ethnic.  Christianity borrowed from that, and Islam borrowed from Christianity.  The Jewish POV is that encouraging conversion is bad.  In fact officially, voluntary conversion to Judaism is to be resisted.  Being non-rabbinic, I don't have a problem with who does or doesn't convert, to what, or for what reason.  I don't accept clerical authority ... and I accept freedom of belief and practice.  So I can't be a Muslim either.  Just a heretic Jewish person, that is enough.

So for me, other than being appropriately up-front with who I am, and what I believe, and what I do ... I don't seek any converts to my particular views, or to Judaism in general.  It isn't my problem what others believe or do.  I respect their privacy and their freedom to express themselves.  Cooperation where possible, confrontation only if there is no other alternative.

For people who are simpatico ... to that extent I worship, socialize or teach at synagogue.  The rabbi has his POV, I have mine, but I have no need to rock his boat, nor do I hide myself under a bushel basket.  So what extra do I do? ... in teaching Hebrew, I am teaching prayer, Biblically.  I seek to enhance the prayer lives of those who want to follow my lead, in a way consistent with the aims of the congregation and leadership.  In Hebrew, kavvanah is not what you pray, but how you pray.  Of course it helps if I know some Hebrew, know what good prayers are like (we are doing the Psalms), and what prayer is good for.  But this only came with maturity, I didn't start out this way.

So no, I am not here to convert anyone, nor would I want to, nor will I try to.  Nor should I.  Your paranoia about theism in my case is unjustified.  Most Christians and Muslims will try to convert you ... and my people who I identify with, have suffered much as a consequence.  Buddhist evangelicals are much more laid back.

You own words prove my case.  And I won't indulge you at length because that is what you want.

I acknowledge your beliefs.  It is just that they seem so supernatural and irrelevant to reality that makes me not care.

You are more similar to draleigh and Ibn than you realize.  You just write slightly better and more briefly.  But you have the same basic views.

Which I find somewhere between laughable and sad.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 01:51:59 AM
You own words prove my case.  And I won't indulge you at length because that is what you want.

I acknowledge your beliefs.  It is just that they seem so supernatural and irrelevant to reality that makes me not care.

You are more similar to draleigh and Ibn than you realize.  You just write slightly better and more briefly.  But you have the same basic views.

Which I find somewhere between laughable and sad.

Your fundamental ego problem, is that you can't acknowledge that people different from you are as smart as you.  You don't have to be defensive like that, you are obviously smart on your own terms.  My POV is very different from yours.  Why is that a problem at all?  You said you come here to get a recharge to your echo chamber.  Let the air out, you don't need the pressure.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 03:50:54 AM

I leave you for a few days and shit is totally out of control

@Cavebear, barouch hasn’t validated his shit  that mikveh did not exist before Babylon.not that he can mind you

Barouch hasn’t said anything about the  6 million Jews killed by Nazi Germany

Barouch doesn’t know about the  lake nor the well nor the other things .Barouch doesn’t know the immersion was the issue  .  the “jews”  were the only ones whom you could say did figure out the issue . they didn’t know what it was but they solved it and they did it when they were in Egypt . the hindu are clueless to this day about the immersion. . usually that is the case with those who copy shit. phony pretenders always don’t know jackshit

Cavebear , put a lid on it you buffoon .and didn’t I give you homework to do ? evangical cavebear says . shit shit shit . stop shitting . humar. Do you mean to spend all your life being a  humar ?  braying  hee haw you . repent and worship me .

Look Barouch why should I teach you ? so you can go screw with the rabbi with it ? assuming there is one which is something I highly doubt .your ignorance is proof enough .

And you did not thank me for showing you  Benjamin Walker . that’s one guy  in a million, a bona fide scholar who said Hinduism copied from Christianity .his shit is marjaa

So you say jews were talking about al khadar long before Muslims? source please . there is nothing in the Wikipedia account that says as much .

I want the source that says jews talked about some khaddar looooooooong ago. Did you record that on one of your  travel trips back in time  ? Do you have a manuscript ?

Barouch you need to stop lying  and making up things  . are you pathological liar?

Do you suffer from the  same disease as cavebear? Cavebear reads Wikipedia account and gives a totally false account .
Is this a manifestation of the Higgins syndrome I don’t know about .

You know I read the Wikipedia link you cited . I saw some damming errors of fact .  falsification too.  the person al khider killed is described as young man . wrong . in the  Quran it says boy .

al khider killed a boy for an end.that’s why ISIS terrorists have no issue killing yazidi and non Muslim children.they reason   if they are allowed to  grow up non Muslim and die non Muslim they go to hell. So killing them is a good thing . so they don’t go to hell. But in Judaism a maaaaaaaa sheep like you replaced the boy . and the Jewish time lord killed a cow to save the poor wife.

on record a little Christian child got run over by a car and killed. Muslims commented that it was better for the child . he could have grown and died Christian and went to hell.

there was a custom of sacrificing  a boy before the battle as an offering to the gods to solicit victory . by breaking the boy neck . that’s how they killed boys . by snapping their necks . great to know khadar kept up the tradition, eh?
Wikipedia is fucked up. Two its too public . talk about  that if I have time .

and the quran says a father may kill his off spring with impunity .

(@jason , you’re born to be shit on. )

There was a case not long ago involving saudia cleric who tortured and killed his five year old daughter . he was not charged because of that quranic decree. There was an uproar .

Look jews do not say that they talked about something in Islam before Islam . they don’t do that shit . the reason is very simple. 80 % of the quran was copied from heretical Jewish sources and ten percent Christian heresy .

Didn’t I teach you that a while back , heh? Did I or didn’t I. answer the damn question boy.

. Its Muslims who say that shit . Muslims are the ones who say their shit was talked about in Judaism and Christianity. They aim to gain legitimacy by association. They say Islam came to confirm previous scripture. That’s not true .  quran is always at variance with bible because it was not copied from the bible but from heresy

Your mind set is uncannily Muslim in make up.didn’t I mention that before? I think I did

Say , was Mohammed a false prophet ? was he a pedophile ?

I will be back to respond to your post . I smell something nice coming all the way from the kitchen to the lawn. I must investigate. The woman has bag full of tricks. She attacks through the stomach . roast  stomach. Stay put

And my writing is better than barouch . I’m catholic . eat shit and die cavebear.you surat al fatiha screw up. I demand you prostrate yourself and worship me . Maybe I come back . if I feel like it

pssst cavebear is teasing you. take it easy. cavebear is decoration in this thread
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 05:01:02 AM


Barouh , ya barbush  , You do not have a time machine. You were not with Moses. There was nothing interesting on TV. Your wife slipped you a couple of Viagra pills in your energy drink . you grabbed Moses ( her pet poodle )  . in the ensuing struggle , she managed to rescue Moses.  , you fell from the balcony . you told her it was not so bad. It was too much . she moved out. she took the poodle with her . filed for divorce.

you’re not a scholar nor do you have your own way .you’re the downtrodden lay folk. Frankly Barouch , the shit you project is  pretty common currency in the Muslim world.  Due to cultural invasion by the west , a lot of that Christians humanistic  values have worked themselves into the Muslims psyche  , a lot of them .  .when they’re  told about  the barbaric and inhuman values of Islam by their Islamic scholars   those Muslims , reeling from the sheer shock of the revelation ,they  blast  Islamic scholars and deny the haddith , sira , sunna , jurisprudence ,  the whole works,. They become what they like to call quranic . that is they go only by the quran . When you corner them in terms of the quran which is easy because the quran is worse, they invent shit . when cornered   on that they make a turn about and fall back on the haddith they rejected earlier , realizing   that whole Muslim shit was rigged to explain, excuse  and justify the quran .

that’s who you’re . You blasted scholars. I baited you . you cited  wikipedia   . case closed. humar.

Just recently there was an uproar involving a foremost sheikh , Saad al-Hajari,(google him )  head of the government's religious authority in Assir, saudia Arabia. He  questioned women right to drive on account of  the Quran belittling take on the  woman’s  intellect . Muslims affected by Christian values  went nuts  blasting the sheikh as  if  it was the guys fault . .
But it was not the sheikhs fault.it was Islam fault. The sheikh was going by the quran and scholarly consensus spanning 14oo years of exacting work . Actually he was being pretty mild in saying the woman has half the brain power of a man.  .  What the quran says about  the  woman indicates something even far more worse than that the woman has half a brain power.  You need two women in court so one can remind the other what happened, per quran  .that’s worse than half brain power. Barouch or cavebear can drive.  half brain power therefore is not a  problem . The quran is talking about recollection. So per quran  you need two women to  drive so one reminds the   other that a stop signs means stop- hopefully before its  too late .

another example. Al sheikh Sabri Abdel Raouf (google)professor of comparative jurisprudence at al-Azhar University, the prestigious and foremost institute of Islamic learning . he was asked about a fatwa that okayed  sleeping with one dead wife corpse so as to say a   final goodbye .  the Sheikh was brutally  honest  describing the act as nothing short of a perversion so low  that not even an  animal would  stoop down to  the  level . but then he answered the question:   yes ,  its permissible  to sleep with one dead wife as a way of saying a final goodbye . And everybody got mad and blasted the guy for it .

why blast the poor scholar? The scholar made it very clear that he  thought  the shit stinks and he did denounce the shit and he did  condemn it . Then he rendered his expert opinion which was that in Islam the act is permissible. what he did was to  draw  a distinction between what he thought and what Islam held to be permissible  .  why he did that is his business and is certainly no cause to blast him for it. If anything eh should be commended  . . he acquitted himself in term of his office . he gave  his opinion as an expert and an opinion faithful to Islam backed by 1400 years of scholarship in which every explanation and interpretations was examined scrutinized and only the ones with the best and undisputable warrant of belief  were adopted.

And the proof that he did , no religious authority in Arabia or any of the Islamic world  said his opinion was faulty . What they did was tell him to put a lid on it  , to which he said ,he was only responding to a question.   

A huge body of scholarly , bona fide scholarly work says its permissible.  If you have an issue it should be with Islam not the guy .
to attack the sheikhs is nothing but deflection . denia to deal with shit . mental blocking l .

Look the scholar has to tell the truth and  specially in today’s world with its www and blogs and social networks  and media waiting and ready to pounce on him if he lies so as to make Islam look like Christianity . you ask him a direct question like that he has to give you an honest answer which means an answer faithful to Islam. he loses his job and reputation if he doesn’t .he may even be subject to apostasy law if he says otherwise than the truth.

What it is ,Muslims  are being civilized by contact with western Christian values .  then shit comes up and they find out  Islam is not Christianity and they get very upset and attack the imam. They want Islam to be better than Christianity and if not to at least be as good .  .

The late Ayatollah Khomeini did not invent shit when he said its okay to finger and pleasure oneself with baby girl. He got that shit from the quran and a huge and thorough scholarly body of work going back 1400 years .

You have any issue with those scholars  opinions by all means show where they are wrong in terms of Islam  . Attacking and blasting the scholar is  deflection to cover up  Islamic filth and to live with the filth

non of those sheikhs have been declared apostates . Because nothing they said is untrue about Islam. The only issue is that they said it and people got upset  . so they order the sheikhs  to put a lid on it . a gag order deal . but they are never reprimanded or charged for saying it can’t do ti when the sheikh is  saying the truth 

Take  mullah Ahmad al-Gabanji. This guy says Mohammed wrote the quran . he questions if it was really Gabriel who Mohammed claimed to have seen . he is something of comedian too with great sense of humor . He asks if Gabriel showed Mohammed a personal ID or a drivers license to prove he was who he  said he was . stuff like that .

I myself listened to sufi sheikhs who routinely call Mohammed a philanderer and highway robber . They have no problem saying it because they don’t think philandering or robbery is  necessarily wrong specially when it comes to doing them to non Muslims , and even if they’re  , in Mohammed case , they’re  not  because he was acting on orders from  Allah . 

the shit that says its wrong is jesus . that’s the root of the  problem . Allah  is not Jesus .and you can’t make Allah into a  jesus because you got that whole shit history and quran that says its not Jesus. Islamic shit defines Allah as  a thug and a criminal. Jesus is not . Jesus is nice person. Good people.

  Gabangi and all those top of the line Islamic scholars are , very fucking sharp minds .one of the issues the British colonials had with Muslims , the smart ones preferred and insisted on going to theology school instead of science schools . those mullahs and imam are actually brainiest of the lot . cream of the crop . ands the top ones specially , the ones who got sifted and picked . intellectual power houses .

I  discourse with  them often times . never had cause to disagree with them or them with me .when it came to Islam usually they are right on the money . when there is ambiguity they give the best possible explanation based on very exacting and unforgiving  scholarly criterias  .  then they follow it with Allah knows best

Allah is what Islam says he is. You can’t make him something else outside  of what Islam says he is . Allah  is criminal mind . I myself used to work for Allah. I tell you he is one of the greatest if not the greatest employer. Guy pays good , really good. You want fame and fortune that’s the guy to work for .

Allah is actually the guy they call Satan in Christianity. He fits the description perfectly . but that doesn’t mean he is evil and jesus is good. It all depends on you and how you see shit . if you judge him form Islamic perspective he is not evil. But if you evaluate him from a Jesus perspective he is evil. .

Shit is relative to who you talk to . I talked to atheists and some of them  advanced really well reasoned arguments that pedophilia is not bad or is not wrong . Others presented arguments to the contrary .both drew from a wide reservoir  of scientific  findings and studies .  .

I asked an atheist once what did he think about  sleeping with dead body . he said no big deal , just a piece of meat inside another piece of meat , he said .  that’s  his morality .

Now I know my personal testimony is not to be reckoned with nor do I ask that it aught to be .  but anyone who lived in any of the Muslim countries and witnessed the fact and the reality would believe me . the reality in Muslim countries is the proof that  what I say is correct. .

.With western scholars the standards are even more exacting .western scholars not only have to worry about text and narrative but they got to watch out for artifacts and diggings and high tech shit considerations and   in addition political correctness, hesitant publishers who fear estorize   or backlash , funding and devious conniving mediocrities who somehow manage to sneak themselves  into college faculties impeding research and of course the body of brainwashed students and add also  death threats and terrorism. 

Suppression of free expression and speech is more of an issue in the west than for Muslim scholar in Muslim countries. A western scholar who dare says any of that shit that Gabanji says will quickly and promptly be called islamaphobic  and shit . even guys like Dawkins get suppressed when they talk about Islam truthfully and often times by atheists before the mixed up Muslims do .

I’ve been to some of that anti war movement and what have you demonstrations. initially I was with the ultra right then I noticed  the leftist got really some very cute women . Added bonus  they are really really economical . they’re  comrade shit . you take them out on a dinner date to Chinese salad bar restaurant for handful of dollars and they are very happy. And they go for that shit like lets have sex to spread love and peace and paradise on earth. . hold hands and lets just do it  . horny leftist women. The crucial thing is never to let her know you got money or well to do. She changes on you and becomes a capitalist then . act as member of the disenfranchised proletariat. Good tip for you

I am not sure barouch. You say you are not left . I doubt if you can be anything .   you are repeating machine  . and integrity is required . you like to lie .  . And the bulk of humanity , each has a price and you be surprised how little it is. But shit like that Benjamin Walker  shit  , that shit is not common . and shit like Mother Teresa , that shit is rare and even then she had her faults . you are nobody . in overall scheme of things you do not matter .but its not all wasted . you are a break from some brainy  associates of mine .

And scholar is not really what it is cracked to be . its life sentence .hard to mix between business and pleasure you know . but then you get a break. Most people are donkeys . you can work out something . . but in the conference meeting you got to be really careful . you go aaa umm errr well , um  hmm . then you say ,that’s all I want to say . your turn . no no no you talk. I listen . and I hate loath hotels . I hate  that shit
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 24, 2017, 05:49:54 AM
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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 24, 2017, 06:12:15 AM
Allah is Muhammad's sock puppet.

Allah used to be a stone idol in the Kaaba.

Still there today.  For Muslim idolaters to worship. Exactly like pagan Arabs used to do in jahiliya.


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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 24, 2017, 07:54:31 AM
Yes, iconoclast Protestants so much better than idolatrous Orthodox/Catholics or Muslims (on Hajj).  Reminds me of synagogue ;-)  I do have nostalgia though, when I visit a Catholic church ... so many ancestors in that camp.

Ibn - your comments proclaim ... that you don't know anything about religion at all.  You fit in well, in that respect, with some of the people here.  But not all, some of us do know quite a bit about religion.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 24, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2017, 06:12:15 AM
Allah is Muhammad's sock puppet.

Allah used to be a stone idol in the Kaaba.

Still there today.  For Muslim idolaters to worship. Exactly like pagan Arabs used to do in jahiliya.


(http://i40.tinypic.com/2qsqulc.jpg)




Was the Kaaba really a meteorite? If something fell from the sky it might well have been considered to be from God, or Heaven, or some such. But why worship the thing now!? Idn't that idolatry?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Jason78 on September 24, 2017, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 03:50:54 AM
(@jason , you’re born to be shit on. )

Look at that!  I got a mention! :)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 24, 2017, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: pr126 on September 24, 2017, 06:12:15 AM
Allah is Muhammad's sock puppet.

Allah used to be a stone idol in the Kaaba.

Still there today.  For Muslim idolaters to worship. Exactly like pagan Arabs used to do in jahiliya.


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oh they got one of those in japan.

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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 24, 2017, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: Jason78 on September 24, 2017, 11:10:31 AM
Look at that!  I got a mention! :)

Considering how fucking long his posts are, I would be surprised if everyone and their mother wasn't in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: pr126 on September 24, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
I wasn't. I feel neglected.  :sob:
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 24, 2017, 12:56:47 PM
Oh, the humanities!  :shucks:
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 24, 2017, 01:16:26 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 24, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
Was the Kaaba really a meteorite? If something fell from the sky it might well have been considered to be from God, or Heaven, or some such. But why worship the thing now!? Idn't that idolatry?

Yes, it would appear so.  Originally iron (as iron meteorites) fell from heaven.  King Tut's iron dagger, was a most precious possession, it is made from an iron meteorite.  The world "iron" and "irenic" both refer to the origin of this metal in the Bronze Age.  But iron got democratized and we have, and are still in, the Iron Age.  And yes, religious folks can keep contradictions in their heads just fine, thanks.  Or maybe as Pr126 says ... Islam isn't what it appears to be propagandize as ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
 Well , the Arabs did erect stone statues around the Kaaba and did worship them

Kitab al maghazi , sahih al bukhari ,the delegation of Banu Hanifa , narrated by  Abu Raja Al Utaridi :

“”we used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw  the first one and take  the latter , but if we could not get a stone then we would collect  some earth , and then bring sheep and milk that sheep over it , and perform the tawaf around it …”

When I travell alone in the desert and I come upon an abandoned camp, I go to the fire pit and pick the charred black stones and pebbles and feel them . my mind drifts away, wondering  where they are  and I am set upon by strong feeling of longing for my people . then I usually rhapsodize and recite poems as those before me used to do.

This is like habit and tradition among the Semites . the most renown and the best on that  is pre Islam Imru’ al-Qais, the Christian prince and poet .  recognized by Arabs to this day as the most gifted poet ever . 

The Arabs were not so bad before Islam . they were like anybody else . what happened the trash and filth  of society represented by Mohammed and company of have nots  took over 

Frankly I don’t see anything wrong with worshiping  stones relatively speaking . much better than worshiping a beast  like Allah . it depends on what the stone means  . if it represents some good , some humane and lofty ethical shit then its no issue

Abu Raja Al Utaridi continues :”  when the month of rajab came we used to stop military action , calling the month, the iron remover , for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of rajab…”

See they were okay. They observed a period of peace for  all mankind  Before Mohammed Arabia was veritable land of religious tolerance. All that changed after Mohammed and company of thugs took over. Fucking 86 military expeditions in handful of years , average of one and half per months of murder robbery and mayhem in which no one was spared  , splitting in half old women and killing nursing mothers. Shit decent Arabs never would do.  .
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What Islam did was take those rituals and rites and turn them into an evil that plagued the lands ever since
No arabs anymore. very few. What you get  are mutts and mullatooes. And look at that  Indonesian kissing stone. damn enrages me  .

AL Imam Ibn Kathir  in his interpretation of surat al Araf says   :  “  Mohammed Ibn Ishaq and others mentioned that they ( Arabs) used to worship stone idols , one of whom was called “ Samad “ and another called “ Samood” and another called “ Alyhona”  “

In surat al ikhlas Allah is described as al Samad . so there you have it . and alyhona too

  Mohammed mother amna used to pray to that stone Idol Samad .

Arabs of course did not believe that the stone has super natural powers. The idol was a representation , a symbol. In this samad case look to Syriac c/Aramaic. It means gather together or tie .   churches in that aprt of the world still use the word. long story . some otehr time .

What Islam did was unite those Arab stone idol into the one pagan god Allah . Allah cut and tailored to resemble and reflect and facilitate society trash and filth represented in Mohammed and company .

I’m pretty sure I can tear apart islam  claim that it came to end idolatry and spread tawhid  . this is the shit they teach Muslims from very young . That islam came to spread worship of one god . its not true

The best description of islam is in Jesus words . A tomb nice on the outside and rotten on the inside .Islam prohibits adultery but okays four wives and  grants Moahmmed the right to violate that rule . Islam allows sex with slave women, and allows pleasure wedding at least temporary if you’re sunni or permanently if you are Shiite and allows women to give themselves to Mohammed and allows Mohammed to marry his own adopted daughter and allows marriage to child and sexual gratification with a child and sex with dead bodies etc. screw anything female on the planet you like dead or alive and then say Islam prohibits adultery .fucking shit ., shit shit shit shit .  just shit .just khara

@Jason .a pigeon is going to appear in your dream .it will fly right over your face. Make sure you’re not snoring and your mouth is wide open.
@Munch . don’t work too hard .
@Blackleaf, how about sisters. mothers are too old for me. try Barouch . one hell fo way to get rid hahaha

Islam Tawhid is just like that , a slogan that looks good on the outside but inside the reality says something totally different . Tawhid in Islam is nothing but a lie. .  the truth of the matter Islam slogan that there is no god but Allah is in practice is : there is no god but Mohammed and allah is his messenger .
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But look we’re going way out of the OP topic .

@pr126  brief to be sure but I hope that’s good enough for now .

@Barouch . stop screwing yourself with that Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a joke .

And what if someone asks you what’s the difference between catholic, orthodox and protestant ? what then? More khaddar, potatoes, lettuce Wikipedia crap ?

And do Christianity a favor stay away from churches. Don’t become a Christian . I forbid it .

Later on guys . no time . Sunday today . was some free time

MY OP stands. I win . I beat you. Catholic beat you. I’m so glad I’m Catholic. I’m strong
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: trdsf on September 24, 2017, 03:57:49 PM
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2017, 05:49:54 AM
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No, no, that's not right.  Everything was correctly spelled and capitalized.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 24, 2017, 06:37:19 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
erect stone


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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2017, 12:09:59 AM
Quote from: Munch on September 24, 2017, 06:37:19 PM
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That was why my undergraduate minor was geophysics ;-)

Ibn ... if I spoke with the words of angels, you wouldn't understand.  Wikipedia is still too educated for you, sorry.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Blackleaf on September 25, 2017, 12:45:49 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 25, 2017, 12:09:59 AMIbn ... if I spoke with the words of angels, you wouldn't understand.  Wikipedia is still to educated for you, sorry.

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Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Jason78 on September 25, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 24, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
MY OP stands. I win . I beat you. Catholic beat you. I’m so glad I’m Catholic. I’m strong

This is fascinating. 

Just who is he trying to convince?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2017, 07:30:00 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on September 25, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
This is fascinating. 

Just who is he trying to convince?

The other voice or vice in his head?
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 26, 2017, 01:04:48 AM
is IBN Donald Trump in disguise? ;-)

so you worship stones until you find a better stone... I guess the Muslims are still worshipping the Kabba stone because nobody can pick it up to throw it away... no more wasting stones. eh
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 26, 2017, 07:09:07 AM
Quote from: fencerider on September 26, 2017, 01:04:48 AM
is IBN Donald Trump in disguise? ;-)


nah, IBN bloats everything his says with so much random crap it makes your head spin. Trump needs everything simplified for me since he posts it on twitter.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:32:30 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 04:08:33 PM
Your fundamental ego problem, is that you can't acknowledge that people different from you are as smart as you.  You don't have to be defensive like that, you are obviously smart on your own terms.  My POV is very different from yours.  Why is that a problem at all?  You said you come here to get a recharge to your echo chamber.  Let the air out, you don't need the pressure.

You misunderstand.  I acknowledge that there are many people smarter than I.  5-10% of the population according to standard tests.  The difference is that I am ALSO free of superstitions (not a subject of standard tests).

And that increases the rational value of my opinions greatly.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 03:32:30 AM
You misunderstand.  I acknowledge that there are many people smarter than I.  5-10% of the population according to standard tests.  The difference is that I am ALSO free of superstitions (not a subject of standard tests).

And that increases the rational value of my opinions greatly.

You just have never broken a mirror, walked under a ladder, or crossed the path of a black cat.  I live with a black cat, I should know ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Munch on September 28, 2017, 07:50:59 PM
I've a black cat that come visits my house for free treats every other day. My job sometimes requires me to smash mirrors out in the back yard to dispose of them, and I got to walk under a ladder to get into the loft. I also step on cracked pavements on the way to work, I spilled some salt the other day and just washed it up without throwing it over my shoulder, and opened my umbrella indoors before stepping out into the rain.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: fencerider on September 29, 2017, 12:36:19 AM
I think your overdue for some bad luck Munch ;-)
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 12:29:15 PM
I’m tapping my fingers here looking at your shit . I calculate slim chance of you breaking free  from  indoctrination you underwent

@ fencerider. Your ride  fence boy? sit.just sit. Jesus Christ help me .  There is no convince . Convince got nothing to do with it . security/food/ sex got to do with it. Man is an animal. You’re man. You’re an animal. Man says to  make him an offer he can’t refuse. try not to make that mistake again.

let’s talk about stones. I like stones . we used  them to crack nuts when we came down from the trees.  then we progressed to cracking skulls with them. .

Check Ibn Khaldun extensive account on Arabs , “  Ibn Khaldun is truthful  in his assessment  .  Ibn Khaldun was Muslim and was before islamaphobia. Indispensible if you want to know the culture from which Islam sprang up.

Ibn Khaldun, “Al  Muqaddimah” from pages 199 to 1200 .  Here is brief excerpt :

“25. Places that succumb to the Arabs are quickly ruined.

The (139) reason for this is that (the Arabs) are a savage nation, fully accustomed to savagery and the things that cause it. Savagery has become their character and nature. They enjoy it, because it means freedom from authority and no subservience to leadership. Such a natural disposition is the negation and antithesis of civilization. All the customary activities of the Arabs lead to travel and movement. This is the antithesis and negation of stationariness, which produces civilization. For instance, the Arabs need stones to set them up as supports for their cooking pots. So, they take them from buildings which they tear down to get the stones, and use them for that purpose. Wood, too, is needed by them for props for their tents and for use as tent poles for their dwellings. So, they tear down roofs to get the wood for that purpose. The very nature of their existence is the negation of building, which is the basis of civilization. This is the case with them quite generally.”

Mohammed banned buildings .
Sahih asl Bukhari  Volume 7, Book 70, Number 576 : Narrated by Qais bin Abi Hazim: “……….A Muslim is rewarded (in the Hereafter) for whatever he spends except for something that he spends on building."

Mohammed  declined to return greetings to a follower who had built a small dome. The guy had to demolish it .
Check also   Mohammed companions. Arab governors were allowed to occupy buildings that were there before they have conquered the place . Addition were not allowed .Check Damascus history by Ibn Asakir  . Basically Caliph Omar relived  the governor for making an addition ( rest room)  and transferred him to Hums .

Only  mosque building was allowed . the oldest is gubat( dome) al Sakhra . that was built by a Christian slave and another Christian. The architecture was copied from the basilica of San Vitale in Italy.

When there were two caliphs , we built that dome Al Sakhra  and ordered people to circle it instead of Kaaba .. this is while the fighting with the trash of Mohammed and his company was still going on. Then we were triumphant , killed the Jackass in Mecca and  took over the Kaaba and finally  there was only one Caliph , the Arab. Then we started fighting among ourselves mostly  over the woman until foreigners  took over. By then teh best  the conquering was done . we reached Spain.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 29, 2017, 12:46:02 PM
So?  People exploit their environment ... in a merciless desert, merciless men are produced.  In some tropical paradise, there is no competition, men even share wives ;-)

There are multiple Hadith collections and multiple hagiographies of Muhammad ... made some time after Umar was Caliph or during his time ... and he was a conqueror like any other king of his time.  It is well known that many Hadith are unreliable, they are graded according to reliability ... some more reliable, some less so.  So if you quote a Hadith, you have to give an assessment of it, yes?  And Ibn Khaldun lived long after those times.  He was probably expressing both some reality, and some prejudice, regarding Arabs, though his ancestry was Arabic.  His immediate ancestors were from civilized Al Andalusia.  N Africa, where he was living, had been repeatedly ravaged by Moorish and Arabic fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 01:06:21 PM
hush odl man. what do you know. you are not qualified to talk about Ibn Khaldun

and what  paradise are you talking about old man ??????? fuck that 72 virgins deal. Fuck Allah and his 72 dumb virgins. I want 72 million virgins if I’m gonna  get stuck there for an eternity .  . how about that ? no . not even that is  good enough . I want all the women . where the fuck does it say we have to share the woman. Where ?

Your problem old man you are confused and brain washed programmed robot  .forget about Mohammed and haddith for  a sec and rest of khara  . .  here is how shit broke down .

1-   Quraysh  ( Arabian horse men and knights)
2-   Arabs
3-   Non Arab inductee into Islam
4-   Slaves
5-   Dhimmis
6-   Non Muslims and roaches . creepy things in general.


Now Islam didn’t apply to the top 2 categories. No Arab ever believed in that shit Islam or haddith . its women, booze and drugs .  the sharp edge of the sword regulated relations

Now Mohammed did try to screw around once but we grabbed him by his throat and smacked him and after that he behaved himself. Usually We sat comfortably in our tents and Mohammed and company paid us off handsomely .then Umar and Ayehsa dispose of Mohammed. Abu Baker elects himself caliph. No one consulted us .  and he stops payments to us and to add insult to injury he demands zakah from folks we used to rule. I say the sharp edge of the sword separates folly from truth. We fell upon the trash society and we butchered Mohamed family  and his trash . then we sat in Syria where the climate was swell and got to partying 24/7. Women , booze and drugs . Like America you know. That’s  why I like America.

we bombard the Kaaba  flat to the ground few times. And we went into Medina and in just one friendly visit  we butchered a thousand virgins and we cut off the trash testicles and forced them to eat it . its all in Qurtubi. Go find it yourself

And my boy Walid Ibn Yazid wanted to construct booze distillery on top of the Kaaba and get drunk up there and watch the dummies go round and round . great idea. Sooner or later he would want to take a piss , right ?  piss on them . that’s what I would do. Right at the instant when they raise their heads and open their mouth and cry  labyk  allah labyk . yeah sure .here is some urine for you directly from heaven.

He shot up the quran with his arrows and speaking to it he said “ if and when you see Allah tell him I tore you into pieces”.  he said it in our usual poetic way . my boy had a way with words ' he had the gift of the desert.

All that islam is bullshit. We wanted a verse or haddith to praise we ordered the Persian slave  or who ever to come up with one or his head goes.

you are brain washed robot who don't know shit from shit . islam was to rule you with and trample on you with .
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on September 29, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on September 29, 2017, 01:06:21 PM
hush odl man. what do you know. you are not qualified to talk about Ibn Khaldun

and what  paradise are you talking about old man ??????? fuck that 72 virgins deal. Fuck Allah and his 72 dumb virgins. I want 72 million virgins if I’m gonna  get stuck there for an eternity .  . how about that ? no . not even that is  good enough . I want all the women . where the fuck does it say we have to share the woman. Where ?

Your problem old man you are confused and brain washed programmed robot  .forget about Mohammed and haddith for  a sec and rest of khara  . .  here is how shit broke down .

1-   Quraysh  ( Arabian horse men and knights)
2-   Arabs
3-   Non Arab inductee into Islam
4-   Slaves
5-   Dhimmis
6-   Non Muslims and roaches . creepy things in general.


Now Islam didn’t apply to the top 2 categories. No Arab ever believed in that shit Islam or haddith . its women, booze and drugs .  the sharp edge of the sword regulated relations

Now Mohammed did try to screw around once but we grabbed him by his throat and smacked him and after that he behaved himself. Usually We sat comfortably in our tents and Mohammed and company paid us off handsomely .then Umar and Ayehsa dispose of Mohammed. Abu Baker elects himself caliph. No one consulted us .  and he stops payments to us and to add insult to injury he demands zakah from folks we used to rule. I say the sharp edge of the sword separates folly from truth. We fell upon the trash society and we butchered Mohamed family  and his trash . then we sat in Syria where the climate was swell and got to partying 24/7. Women , booze and drugs . Like America you know. That’s  why I like America.

we bombard the Kaaba  flat to the ground few times. And we went into Medina and in just one friendly visit  we butchered a thousand virgins and we cut off the trash testicles and forced them to eat it . its all in Qurtubi. Go find it yourself

And my boy Walid Ibn Yazid wanted to construct booze distillery on top of the Kaaba and get drunk up there and watch the dummies go round and round . great idea. Sooner or later he would want to take a piss , right ?  piss on them . that’s what I would do. Right at the instant when they raise their heads and open their mouth and cry  labyk  allah labyk . yeah sure .here is some urine for you directly from heaven.

He shot up the quran with his arrows and speaking to it he said “ if and when you see Allah tell him I tore you into pieces”.  he said it in our usual poetic way . my boy had a way with words ' he had the gift of the desert.

All that islam is bullshit. We wanted a verse or haddith to praise we ordered the Persian slave  or who ever to come up with one or his head goes.

you are brain washed robot who don't know shit from shit . islam was to rule you with and trample on you with .

All human beings are the same.  I am a human being.  Therefore I am qualified to talk about Ibn Khaldun, including you.  I am not qualified to talk about dogs, because I am not a dog.  And I am well aware of the criminal nature of the human race.  I am the only one here who won't virtue signal, unless I state that criminality is virtuous.

"I say the sharp edge of the sword separates folly from truth." .. I agree.  When you are a moment away from death, you have seen the elephant.  Will you survive it awhile longer, or get immediately trampled?  This is why imams arguing as to how many jinn can dance on the head of a pin, are useless.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Unbeliever on September 29, 2017, 01:37:38 PM
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
I live with a black cat, I should know ;-)
Aha! So you did find that black cat that wasn't there, in that dark room!
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: aitm on September 29, 2017, 01:45:42 PM
LOL...what a raving nut jog this whacky kitty is.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Ibn Khaldun on October 01, 2017, 05:35:00 AM
@barouch . Look I want to apologize to you for being rude to you .

no excuse but it was the methanol . They age  the shit for 12 years and tiny amounts of methanol is created  with time   and shit affects the shit in a shitty shit  . you just happened to be  there .all the same I’m sorry.

Hey I think your take on syllogism is  unconventional  .weren’t for that therefore  I would have missed it . such departure from logic is nothing short of revolutionary .j/k

Seriously though I apologize and I’m sorry . I noted you’re all over the board and you make contribution all over  some of which are pretty  perceptive . so in light of that too .

The Americans say men are born equal. They mean no aristocracy

Human. Nomalist/realist. You like universals?  Who wants to go there , right?class room shit .

Crime /State. Sin/god .

when the executioner   beheads the person we have to rush and grab the sword . thanks you. You may go home now. Hunt is over

you can say they hunt in circles .  its all random. If you’re captain of the shit you can’t assume anything and you do not have fall back plan. 

I meant veterinary or dog trainer , not bark back and forth with the  dog . Ibn Khaldun and bona  fide scholars talking together  not bar talking. thats all really.

Wrong. No two women are the same . they all differ front one another sexually and even one single woman is not one and definitely not the same with every man.thats why I have to have them all.

Look the only gift becoming a god is himself else he is being a cheap skate.cheap skate is not a god .

@ atim. I’m not talking to you. You know what you did. You said it wasn’t a democracy and you locked my post. You did that might makes right shit to me when all I was trying to do is reach out to you .the very day I joined this site and I noted you had real talents .  I wanted to give you the lead role in my next movie . you were going to play the role of the lead dog . but I’m not going to after what you did to me. But  let me tell you about the plot so you know the opportunity you botched up . I could have made you a star boy . 

It has been reported in the haddith of telling stories that the philosophers of our time have conducted an experiment in which they raised cats and dogs together from young . after conducting many such experiments they came to the conclusion that nurture  supersedes nature, so that when the king announced he has decided to honor them with a visit  they seized the opportunity  to demonstrate to the king their great discovery . instead of candles on finely engraved candle holders on the dinner table they put real dogs  with lit candle on each dog  head. Alas the king was late and the dogs  grew hungry. Finally when the king and his entourage  arrived the king and his entourage  thought the dogs  were not real dogs  but candle holders , so that  with the appearance of the first cat  the dogs  bolted and chased the house to house , from house to house, setting the  house on fire and the whole city

What do you think atim? Ain’t it a great story out of the book of life , eh?

Hey can we talk camels instead. You’re being ethno centric you know.  . we talk camle  shit all day long in the desert. Who else to talk to . there is only a  camel . Me and my camel in the desert  with no particular place to go . tra ra ra ra

we say the camle walks , the dogs bark

don't become catholic , okay. I want to be the only one here.


Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 05:41:26 AM
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
You just have never broken a mirror, walked under a ladder, or crossed the path of a black cat.  I live with a black cat, I should know ;-)

The only danger of walking under a ladder is a having a paint can fall, a broken mirror from sharp glass, and black cats are easy to trip over in the dark (and I don't have any black cats).

No none of those silly superstitions.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Jason78 on October 01, 2017, 06:57:44 AM
More posts and insults.   This guy has lost all entertainment value and is just boring now.
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Cavebear on October 01, 2017, 07:02:16 AM
Quote from: Jason78 on October 01, 2017, 06:57:44 AM
More posts and insults.   This guy has lost all entertainment value and is just boring now.

I totally agree there was originally some entertainment value and maybe some practice dealing with religious crazies, but it got tedious.  Yeah, yeah, "don't feed the trolls".  But this guy is becoming a real problem. 
Title: Re: Be forewarned :I’m the defender of Christianity. Repent I say.
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Ibn - "such departure from logic is nothing short of revolutionary" ... I am a heretic, so of course I am a revolutionary.  That is why I hide out here with the Marxists ;-)  Think of this forum as Geneva circa 1910.