"former undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson has launched a crowdfunding campaign in hopes of raising enough money to buy Twitter so she can then ban Trump from using it"
If she was serious, she would kidnap and waterboard a certain former Vice President. Sorry, I can't take her seriously anymore.
that would be interesting... maybe Trump would have a melt down if he couldn't be a Twitter fiend
I really couldn't care less about this deep state hublub, I just find the thought of Trump being banned from Twitter completely and utterly hilarious.
I have yet to see any evidence of the deep state that isn't more parsimoniously explained by the chaos expected of many interacting human institutions.
But while amusing, Trump being banned from twitter would make comedians' lives more difficult. The comedy must flow!
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 24, 2017, 12:51:57 AM
I have yet to see any evidence of the deep state that isn't more parsimoniously explained by the chaos expected of many interacting human institutions.
But while amusing, Trump being banned from twitter would make comedians' lives more difficult. The comedy must flow!
Yes, the Holocaust happened, because of German incompetence. If they were competent, the Central Powers would have won in 1918. And yes, the comedy must flow, along with all the other psychops, like CIA agent Gloria Steinem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HRUEqyZ7p8
They didn't stop being CIA. The Clintons are CIA too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
Yes, the Holocaust happened, because of German incompetence.
Nazi Germany was not an example of the deep state. It was far too overt. It was among other things straight up, raw bigotry. No points.
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And yes, the comedy must flow, along with all the other psychops, like CIA agent Gloria Steinem:
President Trump proves there's no deep state. He has such loose lips that any outrageous "secret" you put in his hands is not going to be secret for very long. After all, the CIA is an arm of the executive branch, ie, under control of the president.
You imagine that the deep state has such a firm grip on humanity that it's able to manipulate everyone towards some nefarious end. And yet they still remain secret about it. This goes against every instinct humanity has. Power is to be flaunted, because that's how you show that you're a good mate.
The CIA has never been under any control, it is a state within the state ... just like the FBI under J Edgar. No points.
Read about infighting even in the Third Reich, between different sub-leaders and departments. Hitler wasn't in charge, nobody is in charge of any government. They are figureheads.
I think you're giving them too much credit, over what influence they have in all the chaos.
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 24, 2017, 07:25:19 PM
I think you're giving them too much credit, over what influence they have in all the chaos.
Well ... as a chaos-statisician .. there is just random politics by random people, and any particular "mean" value or movement of the "mean" is just wish projection, right?
But of course, any government department thinks they have great influence, if they don't they don't get Congressional funding. Except that CIA gets black money from drugs, both in the Vietnam War, the War on Terror .. and sell the drugs in the US and Russia. No other government department does that, though the totally corrupt FBI must turn a blind eye.
Once you work for the CIA, you cannot be retired.
How does she be ''former''?
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 25, 2017, 01:08:40 AM
Once you work for the CIA, you cannot be retired.
How does she be ''former''?
Correct, same as Mick Jagger, and Woodward (of Watergate). The CIA contrary to its charter, did and still does, fight enemies both foreign ... and domestic (FBI job). The Church commission tried to clarify that in the 70s, but failed. Think ... CIA/FBI has dossiers on all Congress people etc. The role of a security agency is to be paranoid ... and once they gain some degree of control, your government and society, have gone over the cliff with Thelma & Louise. HR says ... if they don't have perfect control, then they have no control. Others may say, they keep to their charter, at least after the Church commission, that they don't do assassinations anymore. But the CIA determines who the CIA is, not Jack Kennedy ;-) People wait for some coup .. when it already happened decades ago. And just a few years ago, Obama legalized what was already true, that the government should lie to the public. And that is right in Plato's Republic. All the elites have read that book, and follow it like Gospel.
New book, coming out next month, I have read excerpts ...
In the Shadows of the American Century: The Rise and Decline of US Global Power
Stop being a mark for a con job.
The "Deep State" is just another Fig Newton of the crazy Extreme Right. It exists like the Tri-Partite Committee. the Black Helicopters, the UN taking over the world, and all other imaginations of the crazed.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:29:21 AM
The "Deep State" is just another Fig Newton of the crazy Extreme Right. It exists like the Tri-Partite Committee. the Black Helicopters, the UN taking over the world, and all other imaginations of the crazed.
You didn't work in the part of the government I used to work for. They aren't called Black Projects for nothing.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:39:58 AM
You didn't work in the part of the government I used to work for. They aren't called Black Projects for nothing.
I used to call telephone numbers my agency paid for that weren't at locations I knew of. One location kept hanging up on me and I kept calling back. Eventually a person said "we are on the other side of the Potomac". When I asked how he knew which side *I* was on, he said "It doesn't matter!".
OOOOOOOKKKKKKKK...
And then there was the time I dialed a satellite... I figured it out by when I got a dial tone.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:26:05 PM
I used to call telephone numbers my agency paid for that weren't at locations I knew of. One location kept hanging up on me and I kept calling back. Eventually a person said "we are on the other side of the Potomac". When I asked how he knew which side *I* was on, he said "It doesn't matter!".
OOOOOOOKKKKKKKK...
And then there was the time I dialed a satellite... I figured it out by when I got a dial tone.
OK ... good thing the guy who answered didn't speak Russian. Russia is an American psyop too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 02:45:23 PM
OK ... good thing the guy who answered didn't speak Russian. Russia is an American psyop too.
How do you know he couldn't? I wasn't able to ask in Russian. That was WAY before phone conversations were routinely recorded.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
How do you know he couldn't? I wasn't able to ask in Russian. That was WAY before phone conversations were routinely recorded.
What do you think J Edgar was doing while playing dress-up? Wiretaps.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
What do you think J Edgar was doing while playing dress-up? Wiretaps.
Yeah, but you had to know how to tap. Don't forget my career was in voice telecommunicationa for A (*koff koff*) federal agency.
Congress passed, and Trump signed a law, presently limited to the DC mass transit authority, the power to search property without warrant ...
"A bill that will allow homes to be searched without a warrant was passed with overwhelming support by the United States Congress, and signed into law by President Trumpâ€"and it happened with no media coverage and very little fanfare."
You ain't got any Constitution at all.
Usage of phrases like "deep state", "Reptilians" and "funded by George Soros" basically means the person is so far gone into cloudkookooland that there's no good bothering to argue with them.
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Quote from: Atheon on August 27, 2017, 03:10:44 AM
Usage of phrases like "deep state", "Reptilians" and "funded by George Soros" basically means the person is so far gone into cloudkookooland that there's no good bothering to argue with them.
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Says the guy, hiding under a rock in Taipei ;-)
Taken from Wikipedia ...
"When a large number of people may come to believe obviously false and potentially distressing things based purely on hearsay, these beliefs are not considered to be clinical delusions by the psychiatric profession and are labelled instead as mass hysteria."
The Third Reich was good at exploiting mass hysteria. Modern Deep State apparatus, is good at inducing mass hysteria of their own choosing.
All we have are your statements to that effect. I see no evidence other than you rambling on about deep state and whatnot.
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 28, 2017, 05:58:06 AM
All we have are your statements to that effect. I see no evidence other than you rambling on about deep state and whatnot.
Ignore the evidence at your peril. Do you think that Edward Snowden and Wikileaks are fakes?
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 06:30:01 AM
Ignore the evidence at your peril. Do you think that Edward Snowden and Wikileaks are fakes?
The revelations from wikileaks pales in comparison to what you put forward.
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 28, 2017, 08:14:18 AM
The revelations from wikileaks pales in comparison to what you put forward.
You aren't reading between the lines. Wikileaks lets you put two and two together ... that and basically all of history since 1950. But some ideas are speculative, and always will be. People who trust government (or corporations) will end up working as FEMA guards. So good for you ...
Trump just agreed to let the police have full military equipment .. gotta have an Abrams tank to clean up waterlogged Houston, right?
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
Yes, the Holocaust happened, because of German incompetence. If they were competent, the Central Powers would have won in 1918. And yes, the comedy must flow, along with all the other psychops, like CIA agent Gloria Steinem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HRUEqyZ7p8
They didn't stop being CIA. The Clintons are CIA too.
Yeah, and Chuck Barris was a CIA assassin. But I think he only killed with laughter.
Anarchists don't believe the State exists, let alone the Deep State. If you close your eyes an chant la-la-la long enough, what disturbs you will cease to exist.
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 05:40:43 PM
Anarchists don't believe the State exists, let alone the Deep State. If you close your eyes an chant la-la-la long enough, what disturbs you will cease to exist.
.........What???? Really? I'll have to try that!!!
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 28, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
.........What???? Really? I'll have to try that!!!
Don't be a snowflake, you are too old for it ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 05:48:59 PM
Don't be a snowflake, you are too old for it ;-)
Okay--but which snowflake am I not supposed to be? The 1860 Missouri version that labeled a person who hoped slavery would survive the civil war? I am clearly anti-slavery, so that can't be it.
Or the 70's version that labeled a black person who acted white. Can't be that one, since I am white.
So, you must mean the way it is used now--a liberal who happens to be too 'fragile' or not grounded in reality. Since it is used by the nationalists, racists and neo-nazi's, (or as they are called now--alt-right, which I hate--I'll call them what they are) I'll accept that and proudly proclaim that I am a snowflake--not a bigoted, hate-filled, fascist. Feel free to pick whatever side you identify with the most.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 28, 2017, 06:03:39 PM
Okay--but which snowflake am I not supposed to be? The 1860 Missouri version that labeled a person who hoped slavery would survive the civil war? I am clearly anti-slavery, so that can't be it.
Or the 70's version that labeled a black person who acted white. Can't be that one, since I am white.
So, you must mean the way it is used now--a liberal who happens to be too 'fragile' or not grounded in reality. Since it is used by the nationalists, racists and neo-nazi's, (or as they are called now--alt-right, which I hate--I'll call them what they are) I'll accept that and proudly proclaim that I am a snowflake--not a bigoted, hate-filled, fascist. Feel free to pick whatever side you identify with the most.
Picking sides ... is what is un-American. Lincoln, in his first inauguration, said he would pass a law, allowing slavery to continue indefinitely, if the slave states would remain in the Union. Don't make him out to what he is not. You are like John Brown then ... a known terrorist?
Quote from: Baruch on August 28, 2017, 10:58:42 PM
Picking sides ... is what is un-American. Lincoln, in his first inauguration, said he would pass a law, allowing slavery to continue indefinitely, if the slave states would remain in the Union. Don't make him out to what he is not. You are like John Brown then ... a known terrorist?
Don't remember talking about Lincoln. But then, you can blather on about, well anything.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 28, 2017, 11:26:03 PM
Don't remember talking about Lincoln. But then, you can blather on about, well anything.
But ... your words are incitement .. not excitement. Tone it down, or join anti-fa already.
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2017, 06:52:46 AM
But ... your words are incitement .. not excitement. Tone it down, or join anti-fa already.
Well, it's too late for that. I'm already a card carrying anti-fa--and according to you I damn near founded it! I keep that card right next to my Acorn card--on, yeah, and my pinko-commie card and my old draft card. Love them all!!!
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2017, 08:42:21 AM
Well, it's too late for that. I'm already a card carrying anti-fa--and according to you I damn near founded it! I keep that card right next to my Acorn card--on, yeah, and my pinko-commie card and my old draft card. Love them all!!!
You are funny. But seriously, how is senility treating you? If you are a 20 something I will eat my kippah ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2017, 12:54:04 PM
You are funny. But seriously, how is senility treating you? If you are a 20 something I will eat my kippah ;-)
Senile? I've told you a couple of times how old I am. It is treating me about the same as it is treating you, snowflake. You are funny, too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2017, 12:54:04 PM
You are funny. But seriously, how is senility treating you? If you are a 20 something I will eat my kippah ;-)
Ageism is not a very good argument.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 01:39:04 AM
Ageism is not a very good argument.
As an uber-bear .. I bet you don't use a regular taxi. How is your senility, old fur ball? (rhetorical question). On the other hand, is it ageism to claim that someone 40 years younger is ... inexperienced?
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 06:46:03 AM
As an uber-bear .. I bet you don't use a regular taxi. How is your senility, old fur ball? (rhetorical question). On the other hand, is it ageism to claim that someone 40 years younger is ... inexperienced?
A starving 15 year old collecting refuse for sale to get food probably has more real world experience than either of us...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 09:55:14 AM
A starving 15 year old collecting refuse for sale to get food probably has more real world experience than either of us...
I await your happy educational reincarnation, Bear-Gandhi.
Sorry, the average young person is .. inexperienced. And the average old person is ... getting senile. Averages don't work in our favor, even if nobody is average.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 10:42:54 AM
I await your happy educational reincarnation, Bear-Gandhi.
Sorry, the average young person is .. inexperienced. And the average old person is ... getting senile. Averages don't work in our favor, even if nobody is average.
You see, that's the point. You want to speak about the "average". The "average" don't do anything but make more of themselves. Except the few who escape the traps.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
You see, that's the point. You want to speak about the "average". The "average" don't do anything but make more of themselves. Except the few who escape the traps.
All depends on which end of the baby, the obstetrician slaps ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
All depends on which end of the baby, the obstetrician slaps ;-)
The OB usually finds the right end. We are all equal in potential there. It's what comes after that has to be made even.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 02:12:32 PM
The OB usually finds the right end. We are all equal in potential there. It's what comes after that has to be made even.
Even Steven? So you are Procrustes, the inhospitable bandit. People stay at your inn, and if they are too long for the bed, you cut their feet off. If they are too short for your bed, you stretch them on the rack. Until young Theseus ends your reign of terror. Are you really Presidente Maduro of Venezuela? I know I am not the Marxists here ... but you on the other hand ...
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Even Steven? So you are Procrustes, the inhospitable bandit. People stay at your inn, and if they are too long for the bed, you cut their feet off. If they are too short for your bed, you stretch them on the rack. Until young Theseus ends your reign of terror. Are you really Presidente Maduro of Venezuela? I know I am not the Marxists here ... but you on the other hand ...
Getting "the right end" not adjusting "both ends". Do you deliberately practice trollhood?
Quote from: Cavebear on September 03, 2017, 11:03:47 PM
Getting "the right end" not adjusting "both ends". Do you deliberately practice trollhood?
If you can't do a simple logical slip not, you flunk math scouts ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 03, 2017, 11:14:46 PM
If you can't to a simple logical slip not, you flunk math scouts ;-)
Can do square knot, sailors knot, clove hitch, timberhitch, bowlin bight, blood knot, dropper loop, etc. Slip knot too... Did you have a point to that?
Only that you don't see what I write, but what you thought I wrote, based on preconception and hasty reading
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2017, 12:12:10 AM
Only that you don't see what I write, but what you thought I wrote, based on preconception and hasty reading
So your actual words don't reflect what you mean?
Quote from: Cavebear on September 04, 2017, 01:10:55 AM
So your actual words don't reflect what you mean?
You reading may be slurred, after your glass of whine.
The Deep State was known as early as 1956 ...
https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainwashing/dp/1614277877
Fortunately for the public, they have gotten so used to being mind raped, that they enjoy it.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2017, 07:00:57 AM
You reading may be slurred, after your glass of whine.
You might want to retract that in the soberness of existence. Or not. Be yourself...
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2017, 07:02:08 AM
The Deep State was known as early as 1956 ...
https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainwashing/dp/1614277877
Fortunately for the public, they have gotten so used to being mind raped, that they enjoy it.
I rather suspect the concept of "Deep State" preceded Caesar.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 04, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
I rather suspect the concept of "Deep State" preceded Caesar.
Your suspicions are right. Cato the Elder was the Deep State 100 years before Orange Julius ... he screwed over Scipio Africanus, hero of Rome. His later day successor, Cato the Younger, tried and failed to screw over Julius Caesar, hero of Rome. Ave! Ursus antro.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2017, 10:59:51 AM
Your suspicions are right. Cato the Elder was the Deep State 100 years before Orange Julius ... he screwed over Scipio Africanus, hero of Rome. His later day successor, Cato the Younger, tried and failed to screw over Julius Caesar, hero of Rome. Ave! Ursus antro.
Tibi gratias ago, omnis sapiens est ...