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Title: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Shiranu on August 20, 2017, 11:28:14 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/12/dunkirk-child-refugees-risk-sexual-violence (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/12/dunkirk-child-refugees-risk-sexual-violence)


QuoteChildren and women are being raped by traffickers inside a refugee camp in northern France, according to detailed testimony gathered ahead of fresh legal action against the UK government’s approach to the welfare of unaccompanied minors.Corroborating accounts from volunteers, medics, refugees and other officials reveal that sexual abuse is common within the large camp at Dunkirk and that children and women are forced to have sex by traffickers in return for blankets or food or the offer of passage to the UK.

Legal proceedings will be issued by London-based Bindmans against the Home Office, which is accused of acting unfairly and irrationally by electing to settle only minors from the vast Calais camp that closed last October, ignoring the child refugees gathered in Dunkirk, 40 miles away along the coast.

The legal action, brought on behalf of the Dunkirk Legal Support Team and funded by a crowd justice scheme, says the Home Office’s approach was arbitrary and mean-spirited. On Wednesday the government’s approach to child refugees provoked widespread indignation when the home secretary, Amber Rudd, announced the decision to end the “Dubs scheme”, having allowed just 350 children to enter the UK, 10% of the number most MPs and aid organisations had been led to believe could enter.

Accounts from those at the camp, which currently holds up to 2,000 refugees, of whom an estimated 100 are unaccompanied minors, portray a squalid site with inadequate security and atrocious living conditions. The Dunkirk Legal Support Team says the failure of the authorities to guard the site has allowed the smugglers to take control.

One volunteer coordinator, who started working at the camp last year, said: “Sexual assault, violence and rape are all far too common. Minors are assaulted and women are raped and forced to pay for smuggling with their bodies.” Testifying on condition of anonymity, she added: “Although the showers are meant to be locked at night, particularly dangerous individuals in the camp have keys and are able to take the women to the showers in the night to force themselves on them. This has happened to women I know very well.”

She said that one of the most in-demand products distributed to women in Camp de la Linière â€" the Dunkirk Camp â€" are adult nappies. “Women are too scared to go to the toilets in the night. None of the locks in the women’s toilets in the camp work,” she said.
The volunteer also recounted several incidents where minors had been attacked: “A 12-year-old girl was groomed in the camp by a man well over twice her age. When she no longer wanted to speak with him because his behaviour towards her had become so obscene, he threatened her. A 13-year-old boy ended up returning to his home country having been raped in the camp.”

Another statement provided by an ex-NGO worker, who spent three and a half years volunteering at Dunkirk, said men targeted women and children because they were so vulnerable. “You see women in a male environment with men that are disconnected from reality, so there are serious incidents such as rape. Women, children, young teens, male and female.” The worker referred to the children as being like “little steaks” because they were considered so appetitising and vulnerable to traffickers, of whom dozens are resident on site. One woman travelling by herself said that unaccompanied individuals were viewed as prey: “All men see that I’m alone, and it’s the same for the children. Men see me and they want to rape me.”

The witness statement from another volunteer, who could speak Arabic, describes how a 14-year-old from Morocco appeared to have been raped and could not sit down and kept repeating that he felt so “ashamed”.

Their account stated: “He didn’t want anything, he was only crying and asking for his mum. He had been badly beaten.”
The worker also described how a young child had been sexually assaulted on site, leaving her mother so shocked she had been rendered mute. “We have also seen in the past a woman holding a seven or eight-year-old girl by her arm next to GSF [the charity Gynaecology sans Frontières has a unit on site] and apparently this child had been raped just before, and the woman was afraid to report it to police. She was there, standing silent refusing to report it.”

Another account from a volunteer refers to an incident in November 2016 when a 17-year-old unaccompanied minor complained of sharing a shelter with six older strangers. “Between 23.00 and midnight he called to say he will wait for me outside the camp. He was usually very calm, but this time he was anxious. When we finally met he told me that somebody tried to sexually assault/force him into sexual activity. He managed to escape when he was going to use the toilet.” The threat of violence in the camp was described as so severe that many reported guns and knives being carried openly.

Georgia Feilding of the Dunkirk Legal Support Team said: “We have done all that we can to draw the plight of the Dunkirk children to the attention of the UK government and implored them to act to honour the pledges made. We now have no other choice but to turn to the high court to challenge their failure to protect these most vulnerable of children and provide them with a safe route and sanctuary in the UK.”

This is what happens when you turn your back on refugees. This is what happens when your xenophobic ideology becomes policy. And this is what happens when you spew such bigoted and ignorant rhetoric such as, "Lol, it's just a bunch of opportunistic young men looking for a cheap meal coming here. Lololol where are all the women and children?"

The women are hiding because people like you have allowed these places to become living hells for people trying to escape countries that have been torn into living hell, or have been sold into human slavery. And for the children...


Edit: Spoiled, because it is graphic content of a dead child laying on a beach that was literally shared on every site and every news channel. It was originally unspoiled if a moderator comes in here, so not trying to hide it or pretend it wasn't.
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There is your children, assholes.

You want to talk about how refugees are destroying European culture? If European culture is this, then perhaps it deserves to be destroyed. But in all honesty, European culture is perfectly fine and will be fine... it's people like you who are threatening to destroy it by electing politicians who have not an ounce of respect for "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", just like you.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
Yes, to improve the world we need to adopt all the starving Chinese (that is what the cause of causes was in the 1930s .. thanks to Imperial Japan).  How many will you take, Shiranu?

And really, you have always had lovely avatars ... but LBJ?  You are dead to me ;-)

Yes, in a good world, women and children would always be supported and cared for (and not unnecessarily dominated).  But this isn't a good world.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
When criminals are involved in any process, any horror can and will happen.  I can understand authorities just shooting human smugglers on sight.  I'm getting there myself sometimes on bad days.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 02:19:30 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 01:10:54 PM
When criminals are involved in any process, any horror can and will happen.  I can understand authorities just shooting human smugglers on sight.  I'm getting there myself sometimes on bad days.

All human behavior is criminal.  There are people who know they are criminal, and those who haven't realized the truth yet.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 02:19:30 PM
All human behavior is criminal.  There are people who know they are criminal, and those who haven't realized the truth yet.

You must be quite the criminal.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
You must be quite the criminal.

Genocidal maniac ... an American!
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 02:33:39 PM
Genocidal maniac ... an American!

I am rather dismayed at the idea myself.  I am neither criminal nor saint.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:13:38 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:11:43 PM
I am rather dismayed at the idea myself.  I am neither criminal nor saint.

Being neutral is better than being oblivious.  And I am speaking of human nature, not what anyone in particular has done.

Shiranu can be oblivious ... that dead toddler boy, in the top of the string, died because his dad wanted better dental care.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:13:38 PM
Being neutral is better than being oblivious.  And I am speaking of human nature, not what anyone in particular has done.

Carefully put... 
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:15:02 PM
Carefully put...

Yeah, not enough zing ... getting time for my nap.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:28:48 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
Yeah, not enough zing ... getting time for my nap.

Have a pet mammal?
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Mermaid on August 20, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 12:05:27 PM
Yes, to improve the world we need to adopt all the starving Chinese (that is what the cause of causes was in the 1930s .. thanks to Imperial Japan).  How many will you take, Shiranu?

And really, you have always had lovely avatars ... but LBJ?  You are dead to me ;-)

Yes, in a good world, women and children would always be supported and cared for (and not unnecessarily dominated).  But this isn't a good world.
You say the vilest things.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on August 20, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
You say the vilest things.

Life is like a box of spoiled chocolates.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:28:48 PM
Have a pet mammal?

Lets not talk about my sexuality ... puuulease!
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:52:59 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
Life is like a box of spoiled chocolates.

Actually chocolate doesn't spoil easily.    Maybe the catnip inside though...
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:58:17 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:52:59 PM
Actually chocolate doesn't spoil easily.    Maybe the catnip inside though...

I prefer Finnish chocolates ... brandy inside!
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:58:17 PM
I prefer Finnish chocolates ... brandy inside!

Sounds good, I'm fond of 80%Dark Chocolate with hazelnuts...
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
Sounds good, I'm fond of 80%Dark Chocolate with hazelnuts...

Then you aren't too bad ;-)
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
Then you aren't too bad ;-)

And White chocolate which isn't chocolate and all with nougat.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:14:17 PM
And White chocolate which isn't chocolate and all with nougat.

I take it back.  Cocoa butter is for your skin, not your stomach.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:20:31 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
I take it back.  Cocoa butter is for your skin, not your stomach.

I thought you would dislike that.  But it is sweet/chewy  and goes well with walnuts.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Hydra009 on August 20, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on August 20, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
You say the vilest things.
For real.

Paraphrasing what's his face: "Sure, in a good world, women and children would always treated well, but we don't live in a good world, so..."
Presumably, we shouldn't concern ourselves with making the world a better place because that's not how things are right now. (Ya don't say)  If serious and not just infantile trolling, it would be pretty vile.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:20:31 PM
I thought you would dislike that.  But it is sweet/chewy  and goes well with walnuts.

Nougat is fine, if that is all you gat.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:22:44 PM
Nougat is fine, if that is all you gat.

You give up on the Belter thing?
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 20, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
For real.

Paraphrasing what's his face: "Sure, in a good world, women and children would always treated well, but we don't live in a good world, so..."
Presumably, we shouldn't concern ourselves with making the world a better place because that's not how things are right now. (Ya don't say)  If serious and not just infantile trolling, it would be pretty vile.

Posting here doesn't make the world a better place ... so off you go ..
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
You give up on the Belter thing?

I answered twice ... you are in denial, Oh Great Pharaoh.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
I answered twice ... you are in denial, Oh Great Pharaoh.

The answer is where it should be, wise speaker...
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:31:34 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:30:13 PM
The answer is where it should be, wise speaker...

Sorry, I no longer practice proctology ;-))
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
Welcome to the real world Shiranu. What exactly did you hope to achieve with showing pictures of dead or dying children?

Honestly if this is the only platform you have to say this stuff, your not really doing that much about this yourself, really, instead of telling everyone how horrible they are, why aren't you going to those places and feeding the poor and hungry?

Or maybe you can't afford to, just like every other normal person who just works and tries to survive.

btw, since showing pictures of dead/dying children is perfectly fine now, is the rule of showing cocks now accepted without censor?

IMAGE REMOVED
-PickelledEggs
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 06:33:44 PM
I don't have Cox Cable (TV) so no, not a turn-on.  But they guy is certainly well built in other ways.  Could give a Chinese tunnel digger a run for his money.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Are you trying to have yourself banned from the forum, Munch?
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Are you trying to have yourself banned from the forum, Munch?

But Shiranu's choice of picture, not his article, not his POV ... was snuff porn.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 06:33:44 PM
I don't have Cox Cable (TV) so no, not a turn-on.  But they guy is certainly well built in other ways.  Could give a Chinese tunnel digger a run for his money.

maybe some of that cocoa butter could help him out.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 06:38:41 PM
But Shiranu's choice of picture, not his article, not his POV ... was snuff porn.

Here I have to wonder how many snuffers are going to be perusing this site just to catch a picture of a dead kid lying on a beach as opposed to underage children who will view a cock. 
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 06:41:59 PM
Here I have to wonder how many snuffers are going to be perusing this site just to catch a picture of a dead kid lying on a beach as opposed to underage children who will view a cock.
seriously, you think an erect dick is more damaging an image, then a dead child?
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 06:45:27 PM
seriously, you think an erect dick is more damaging an image, then a dead child?

Neither is damaging, in my opinion.  I don't know much about this forum's rules, but I would figure the image of a dead child is less damaging than that of a cock.

Understand that I am basing this on basic forum rules.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Dude, a dead child is an horrific thing to show, a cock is a subjective thing to show. They show graphs and images or penises to kids in schools when teaching biology. What they don't show are images of dead children.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:10:17 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Dude, a head child is an horrific thing to show, a cock is a subjective thing to show. They show graphs and images or penises to kids in schools when teaching biology. What they don't show are images of dead children.

To be honest, one coming across that image alone does not automatically shout "dead child".  In fact, my first impression was that the child was sleeping on the beach. 

Underage users can view this site without signing up or joining, and the would see the image of the cock.  Forums have rules against nudity for a reason.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:10:17 PM
To be honest, one coming across that image alone does not automatically shout "dead child".  In fact, my first impression was that the child was sleeping on the beach.
bullshit.

Quote
Underage users can view this site without signing up or joining, and the would see the image of the cock.  Forums have rules against nudity for a reason.

underage users will first see a photo of a dead child, and the spilling hate speech. Theres more of an issue here with the op then a simple naked man picture.
Btw, in my country, a child can walk into newsagents and pick up a sun newspaper with giant tits on the second page, that must be so damaging for them.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:21:45 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:20:31 PM
bullshit.

That's your opinion.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:20:31 PM

Btw, in my country, a child can walk into newsagents and pick up a sun newspaper with giant tits on the second page, that must be so damaging for them.

I never said it was damaging.  However, parents have expectations of websites.  If a parent wanted, s/he could get this forum in trouble for that naked cock. 
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
And images of dead children.

QuoteThat's your opinion.

And your opinion is somehow seeing a dead child is less of a problem then seeing a naked man.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:27:16 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
And images of dead children.

Like these?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4130/5115585577_038949546f_b.jpg)
(http://orig13.deviantart.net/1cff/f/2013/162/6/c/child_zombie_by_yanahell-d68odqh.jpg)
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Zombies don't exist, like god doesn't exist. try again.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:33:23 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:30:27 PM
Zombies don't exist, like god doesn't exist. try again.

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2151/1603620652_7e05df133a.jpg)
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:38:19 PM
Yep and let me just confirm to all the kids who come here, thats a dead baby. Sorginak posted an image of a dead baby kids, enjoy.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 07:38:19 PM
Yep and let me just confirm to all the kids who come here, thats a dead baby. Sorginak posted an image of a dead baby kids, enjoy.

Thank you, Barker.

*Bows*
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Deidre32 on August 20, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
I'm so confused. >.<

Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Shiranu on August 20, 2017, 09:19:38 PM
Edit
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Thanks for the edit, Shiranu.  Shows you can show poor judgement, but you do care.

Sorginak ... so yes, this is now the Undertakers-forum?  Your picture is not as offensive.

Munch ... I get your point, and anyone who has been here long, knows what you are like.

But at least on this string, you can edit your picture too now.  Thanks.

I apologize in advance for any pictures or videos I have show that are ... unnecessarily offensive.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 09:49:52 PM
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 20, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
I'm so confused. >.<

There are some things that are insensitive to show, even to adults.  At least with the picture of the dead baby in the casket, we don't know the parents.  I am sure the parents wouldn't appreciate their dead baby being shared with 7 billion other people.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 21, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Thanks for the edit, Shiranu.  Shows you can show poor judgement, but you do care.

Sorginak ... so yes, this is now the Undertakers-forum?  Your picture is not as offensive.

Munch ... I get your point, and anyone who has been here long, knows what you are like.

But at least on this string, you can edit your picture too now.  Thanks.

I apologize in advance for any pictures or videos I have show that are ... unnecessarily offensive.

Well I was asleep friend so didn't see the change. Honestly Baruch, your pretty much a sea of calm with some of the weird shit that goes on this forum, dunno how you manage to put up with us lot sometimes.

Edit: ah P.E beat me to it, good show.

Oh and Shiranu since you went into a bit of a virtue signally rant I don't really care what you got to say anymore, so I'll just leave it with this, use some common sense next time, and get off the computer once in a while. Kudos.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 21, 2017, 08:45:28 AM
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2017, 06:25:07 PM
Welcome to the real world Shiranu. What exactly did you hope to achieve with showing pictures of dead or dying children?

Honestly if this is the only platform you have to say this stuff, your not really doing that much about this yourself, really, instead of telling everyone how horrible they are, why aren't you going to those places and feeding the poor and hungry?

Or maybe you can't afford to, just like every other normal person who just works and tries to survive.

btw, since showing pictures of dead/dying children is perfectly fine now, is the rule of showing cocks now accepted without censor?

IMAGE REMOVED
-PickelledEggs

[mod]At least he had the decency to not post the image in the actual forum and kept it spoiled, instead. See you in a day.[/mod]
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Shiranu on August 21, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
To be fair, I did originally have it unspoiled. Don't want to pretend it wasn't when he first responded to it.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: aitm on August 21, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
A) the image of that poor child has been public for a couple years. Anyone who has NOT seen it is probably on a christian web-site. Munch I am sorry but for the most part we try really hard to stray....purposefully from "porn-like images" and, I don't even know what it was, but if Pick deleted it understand I would have done it quicker.

B)Shir, thank you for your honesty but again, that picture, disturbing as it is, is now an iconic image of what we do to each other. And while we could say the same about Munches..it is in a totally different arena.

Munch, as you know, I am, if not the leading voice, then perhaps the second leading voice to keep "porn" off "our" site. Yes it is subjective. I hope you stay, I enjoy you.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 21, 2017, 10:50:36 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on August 21, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
To be fair, I did originally have it unspoiled. Don't want to pretend it wasn't when he first responded to it.
I know. I looked at the time stamps.

Thank you for your honesty though, I value honesty, especially when it is about owning up to something.

You are fine, either way. When in doubt in the future though, just spoiler it.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Munch on August 22, 2017, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: aitm on August 21, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
A) the image of that poor child has been public for a couple years. Anyone who has NOT seen it is probably on a christian web-site. Munch I am sorry but for the most part we try really hard to stray....purposefully from "porn-like images" and, I don't even know what it was, but if Pick deleted it understand I would have done it quicker.

B)Shir, thank you for your honesty but again, that picture, disturbing as it is, is now an iconic image of what we do to each other. And while we could say the same about Munches..it is in a totally different arena.

Munch, as you know, I am, if not the leading voice, then perhaps the second leading voice to keep "porn" off "our" site. Yes it is subjective. I hope you stay, I enjoy you.

bygones be bygones, I appreciate you guys doing stuff like that and keeping things in check.

My intent was to just highlight a point, but probably got a bit carried away, I've no real intent to subject kids to stuff they shouldn't see, thats why I keep my nephews out of my bedroom and the pictures of naked men on my wall when they come visit.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: GrinningYMIR on August 23, 2017, 05:26:08 AM
I suppose it's dark to say that a drowned kid has less effect on me than it would have say, a few years ago. But I guess that's what years of seeing thousands of images like this plus EMS does to you

For some reason I thought munch said dong and posted a doorbell.

I'm very tired
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: pr126 on August 23, 2017, 06:06:36 AM
The picture of the drowned kid was the best propaganda picture the media could get.
And boy, they have spread it far and wide.

This has opened the borders for migrants without any opposition.
Not that there was any opposition, to begin with.

I read that the dead kid was repositioned on the beach for better photographic effect.

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before. -  Rahm Emanuel

More on the story.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Death_of_Alan_Kurdi

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Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2017, 06:45:58 AM
The father of the two boys and dead wife was head of family.  He made a bad choice.  His wife and the wife's sister were afraid, and right to be.  And Trump is to blame for all of it.  The Left are using tragic deaths to further their agenda.  But then the Gulag Archipelago would do that.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: GrinningYMIR on August 23, 2017, 09:33:38 AM
Remember that he little girl from Oklahoma City?

That's one I remember
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:48:23 AM
The refugee situation around the world is getting out of hand.  A rational world would coordinate refugee assistance internationally, building support structures and solving failed State problems.

But we won't live in a rational world as long as superstition and theisms control most people in need of help.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:48:23 AM
The refugee situation around the world is getting out of hand.  A rational world would coordinate refugee assistance internationally, building support structures and solving failed State problems.

But we won't live in a rational world as long as superstition and theisms control most people in need of help.

Correct.  And we are planning on invading Venezuela.  Our method for dealing with failed states, is to create more of them.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 12:50:26 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Correct.  And we are planning on invading Venezuela.  Our method for dealing with failed states, is to create more of them.

Don't be a nudge!  We aren't going to invade Venezuela.  We are more modern than that.  We will just try to choke their economy to teach the government there a lesson.  Never mind that it will most punish the poor...  We are militarily too busy elsewhere to care about SA anymore.
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 12:50:26 PM
Don't be a nudge!  We aren't going to invade Venezuela.  We are more modern than that.  We will just try to choke their economy to teach the government there a lesson.  Never mind that it will most punish the poor...  We are militarily too busy elsewhere to care about SA anymore.

So you don't think the CIA controls the cocaine trade, like all the other drug trades?
Title: Re: Women and Children Abused in Refugee Camps
Post by: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 02:51:18 PM
So you don't think the CIA controls the cocaine trade, like all the other drug trades?

No, that would take too much organization and competence.  Such arrangements by the CIA have always results in complete failure.  The best WE can do is herbicide sq miles...