College Responds To Hosting Panel On Free Speech By Canceling It (http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/college-responds-to-hosting-panel-on-free-speech-by-canceling-it/)
QuoteRyerson University canceled a panel Wednesday dedicated to discussing the silencing of free speech on college campuses, citing “campus safety.â€
The Canadian school canceled “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses,†an Aug. 22 panel featuring three doctors and a pro-free speech journalist, citing a prioritization of “campus safety†over free speech “in light of recent events,†according to correspondence obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Social justice activists set up a Facebook page entitled “No Fascists in Our City!†to protest the event. The page’s header image depicted a swastika crossed out.
“Fascists are planning to meet on August 22nd at Ryerson University to discuss how to avoid what they call ‘SJW’ Culture,†the protest description reads. “Tickets are being sold for $20 and frankly it makes us virulently ill … Considering the rise of Nationalism here and abroad we need to show these people and their guests that we will not tolerate their backward nonsense in our city.â€
Quite right too. We do not want different ideas. They are dangerous.
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Freedom to spell speech correctly?
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First and foremost, free speech is not infringed upon if an organization does not wish to have a particular speaker do his thing.
That speaker has many mediums from which to choose in order to spread that message he wishes others to hear.
Secondly, and most importantly, I can imagine people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 12:15:33 AM
First and foremost, free speech is not infringed upon if an organization does not wish to have a particular speaker do his thing.
That speaker has many mediums from which to choose in order to spread that message he wishes others to hear.
Secondly, and most importantly, I can imagine people in the past thinking, "Hitler has the right to speak as he is doing."
Hitler, if he were in the US, would have the right to speak the way he did (even the ACLU would defend that). But not many would have understood ranting German ;-)
So, let the universities devolve into in-fighting, as to who can or can't speak at their school. Once they burn down, we can send the toddlers home. Or better yet, to Vietnam.
Or do you mean ... the Dean and Faculty etc should be the slaves of the students. Or if there is more than one faction of students, the "special faction" should rule like a Venezuelan dictator?
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
Hitler, if he were in the US, would have to speak the way he did. But not many would have understood ranting German ;-)
So, let the universities devolve into fighting within, as to who can or can't speak at their school. Once they burn down, we can send the toddlers home.
Or do you mean ... the Dean and Faculty etc should be the slaves of the students. Or if there is more than one faction of students, the "special faction" should rule like a Venezuelan dictator?
The students do pay the bills, so to speak. ;)
Upset the students, and they will take their money elsewhere.
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I can't remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're basically saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express.
QuoteThe students do pay the bills, so to speak. ;)
Or rather, their parents. No student has that kind of money.
Parents who don't know or care how their youngsters are being "educated".
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 01:47:36 AM
Or rather, their parents. No student has that kind of money.
Parents who don't know or care how their youngsters are being "educated".
Hate speech is hardly education, dear.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 01:47:36 AM
Parents who don't know or care how their youngsters are being "educated".
Vast majority of students do not participate in any kind of political activity in school.
By the way, that comic is from this website: https://xkcd.com/1357/.
I enjoy this site very much -- the author is a scientist who publishes comics and "serious scientific answers to absurd hypothetical questions". You might like it.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 01:47:36 AM
Or rather, their parents. No student has that kind of money.
Parents who don't know or care how their youngsters are being "educated".
Haha. Yeah, no. I have paid everything out of pocket (mind you, in America and not Canada, which means I am paying significantly more) by working at times two jobs (including jobs like roofing and field work) and by driving myself into over $35,000 worth of debt. Everyone I work with is in the same situation + paying for rent, their car, their phone, etc. etc. while going even further into debt than me. Don't get me wrong, there are rich white kids who mommy and daddy pay for their schooling while they get to drive their Mercedes from frat house to frat house... but that is not even remotely the norm.
There does exist a world outside of upper class white America/Canada, believe it or not, and we go to university as well.
Funny how the article you posted left out some relevant content... who exactly the speakers are and what exactly they advocate...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40956141 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40956141)
QuoteFaith Goldy is a journalist and political commentator with Canada's right-wing digital news site Rebel Media. In June, Goldy broadcast a YouTube video arguing that immigration policies were contributing to a "white genocide" in Canada.
While covering Charlottesville over the weekend for Rebel Media, she appeared to sympathize with many of the ideas espoused by the protesters.
Since then, the Rebel's founder Ezra Levant has publically denounced the so-called "alt-right," and a number of freelance journalists with the Rebel have announced they will no longer work for the organization.
University of Toronto psychology professor Jordan Peterson has made a name for himself campaigning against Canada's new transgender rights laws.
Gad Saad is a business professor who writes about how sex differences affect the consumer and argues against political correctness.
Funny, when you tell the truth about who they are... someone who at the very least defends white supremacy and Nazis when she isn't actively agreeing with them to the point she is causing a right-wing rag to distance themselves from her position and having coworkers quit over it, someone who is bigoted towards the LGBT community, and a sexist who is making bank off of using rhetoric that has fired up these fascists and supremacists, it suddenly seems less like "free speech being silenced", and more like what literally any rational business would do.
The First Amendment doesn't apply in Canada, but the point above still stands... free speech is protected from government infringement, but private businesses are allowed to dictate what is said on their grounds. If they disagree with your rhetoric because they feel what you have to say does not paint a pretty picture for their business, they have every right to tell you to shut up and go home. That isn't some new "SJW" rule, that is how it has always been.
Attending these “hate speeches" are not mandatory, especially at $20 for a ticket.
Those students who do not want to pollute their pristine minds with “hate speech†do not need to attend.
BTW, the speaker is a Jew from Lebanon (Gad Saad) escaped from Muslim persecution, a professor at a university.
Not quite a Nazi fascist at all. Your opinion may differ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrVmj9m_vSQ&t=3s
QuoteAttending these “hateâ€. Speeches are not mandatory, especially at $20 for a ticket.
Doesn't matter. It is a privilege, not a right, to speak at a university and as a company they have every right to revoke that privilege if they feel the content of your product does not conform to the vision and direction they wish to take.
QuoteThose students who do not want to pollute their pristine minds with “hate speech†do not need to attend.
It's not about the students (for the university), it's about maintaining their reputation as a company and insuring that their financial interests are secure. Inviting a Nazi and white supremacist sympathizer and agreer, an anti-LGBT bigot and a sexist who uses the same rhetoric the Neo-Nazis do to speak at your organization is not a sound business move, so they cancelled it (though to be fair to them, I am sure most of the staff had moral opposition to these people as well, I don't want to paint it fully in just business terms).
This is not rocket surgery.
QuoteBTW, the speaker is a Jew from Lebanon (Gad Saad) escaped from Muslim persecution, a professor at a university.
Not quite a Nazi fascist at all.
One of the speakers... one of which, you will note, is one I never accused of being a Nazi (infact, none of them I accused of being a Nazi). What he is however someone who promotes modern Social Darwinism and sexism, and has had guests with whom he agrees with on his YouTube show including (wait for it...) white supremacist Spencer, Jordan Peterson who has expressed anti-LGBT rhetoric in Canada, Tommy Robinson of the "European Defense League" (see; bigots), Milo Yana-whatever of the Alt-Right movement (see; Neo-Nazis and white supremacists), Steven Crowder who even FOX News thought was too right wing, and several Christian Apologists and Intelligent Design advocates that directly contradict reality.
But again, even if all of that wasn't true... if the university wanted to, they could cancel their speech because they learned they all like My Little Pony, and they would be within their right because such a speech is a privilege and not a right.
To steal a really stupid as fuck phrase from the alt-right... "Stop acting like a bunch of special snowflakes."
Then why invite them at all?
Didn’t they know in advance the speakers’ heresy?
Why would you invite Nazis, fascist, far right scum to your hallowed university?
How are those two heretic professors are allowed to teach at all?
Why aren’t they publicly executed?
QuoteThen why invite them at all?
Because in normal circumstances, their speech was deemed deplorable but in a free society has a place at the table and perhaps some validity. However given their behaviour, public perception of them is changing and that is no longer the case. Hate speech is not protected under freedom of speech in any civilized country I am aware of. Also from both our articles, the university did not think that they could adequately maintain peace... and frankly, I am not sure a university is equipped to stop the right wing from committing more terrorist attacks either when a full city PD was incapable of doing so.
This may be shocking, but public brand opinion can change on the snap of a finger. Their (the alt-right and anyone associated with defending Nazis and White Supremacists) brand's public opinion stock has dropped like a rock, and their employers therefor cut them to protect their own image. Same reason corporations dropped people like Tiger Woods and Mel Gibson and distanced themselves as fast as possible after their actions.
Again, this is not rocket science but pretty elementary level economics and business...
QuoteDidn’t they know in advance the speakers’ heresy?
They did, and that's what makes you even more of an idiot. They knew these things and still those damn cultural Marxists said, "We believe in a society where you are allowed to say your bigoted and moronic views."
Where were you to sing the cultural Marxist praise for even letting these people speak? Where were you praising universities for allowing diverse and fringe opinions to have an active voice on their property? Funny how you ignore just how much privilege you actually have under "Cultural Marxists"... privileges we sure as fuck wouldn't have under your sides control.
Your reich-wing friends should be counting their lucky stars they aren't doing this back in the "good ol' days"... you think Cultural Marxists are harsh on yall? How do you think FDR's America, Churchill's England, would have responded to this shit? Do you think cancelling speeches would be the biggest slap on the wrist the alt-right who defends Nazism would have got?
If you want to talk about the good ol' days before the "Cultural Marxist" took over, then I want to see you out on the street proclaiming these people should be rotting in jail or being hung for treason, otherwise you are just as much a "Cultural Marxist" yourself.
Ah, to be an ideologue.
I am sure you have passed with honors. A PhD in cultural Marxism.
What did you actually study? What did you get for all that money still to be paid back?
I think Google is hiring sharp minds like yours.
QuoteAh, to be an ideologue.
I don't think opposing Nazism makes you an ideologue, I think that makes you literally an human being who is not a Nazi or a white supremacist.
QuoteI am sure you have passed with honors. A PhD in cultural Marxism.
Not quite.
QuoteWhat did you actually study?
I am about to receive a major in Anthropology, primarily the field of Archaeology focused on the Native American Woodland Period (Adena and Hopewell cultures) and then the Mississippian Moundbuilders (Caddo, Cahokia). Also a little bit of Pueblo studies (having lived in New Mexico) and then studied a fair bit of Lacadon Mayan from Southern Mexico.
For my minor I will have a double in English (mostly focused on British novelists) and history (with a focus on India).
Basically as an Anthropology major... I studied everything, because it is one of the few holistic majors you can receive due to the fact you have to have an understanding of all the different factors that go into a society. Sociology is obviously hugely important, but you also have to understand history and economics, political science, several branches of science (particularly Biology of both humans and pre-humans for archeology), art history and interpretation... basically everything that makes a culture a culture, you have to have some training in.
All of that is irrelevant though, because it doesn't take a college grad to realise, "Nazis are bad, mmkay?".
British novelist. I recommend George Orwell.
So did you get a good job with all that qualification?
But to stick to the thread, none of those speakers are Nazis.
You saying it doesn’t make it true. Unless you can prove it.
QuoteI think Google is hiring sharp minds like yours.
Not really interested. I have no desire to live in San Fran or any other major city, I would rather quite like to move outside Lisboa, Coimbra or La Coruna (alternatively, somewhere in the Scottish Highlands, Jalisco, Mexico or in a smaller Swedish/Norwegian city), and spend the rest of my days tending a small farm, working a simple job, maybe doing archaeological work when I have the chance, produce art and raise a small family to make sure my family name doesn't go extinct.
I have no desire to be involved in all of this bullshit, but life doesn't always give you what you desire. The writing has been on the wall for years that this was coming, and running from Nazism, fascism, white supremacy and it's defenders is simply not an option. Even if we take any moral objection to these positions and actions I have away, if I simply stay silent and just try to mind my business and let them do whatever they want... they will eventually make it my business and I will be powerless against it.
So if nothing else, I am so vocal against this position not just for moral reasons but for simple self preservation and preservation of the type of life I want to have.
I am getting ridiculed for having Muslims under my bed.
You have Nazist.
Welcome to the club.
QuoteBritish novelist. I recommend George Orwell.
He's quite good (to understate it heavily). Focused more on the Romantics and writers like Dickens though... they were who I could relate to the most, living in a world rapidly changing from agrarian to industrial (I grew up on a farm for the first 15 years of my life, have always lived in rural areas, and am living in an era of extreme technological shifting) and a society trying to cope with these changes, dealing with a society that values wealth and extravagance and modern when you desire simplicity and natural, and so on.
QuoteSo did you get a good job with all that qualification?
Haven't looked for one, making money was never the reason I went to college but rather to learn. I regret that now since so much of it I could have taught myself without driving myself into debt, but my family pressured me to be the first college graduate in the family. I have done some field work in New Mexico though, which isn't high paying (or really, paying at all...) but was extremely satisfying and important work, which is what I deem more important.
Out of curiosity, since you want to keep changing the subject to me, let's talk about you...
Sharing much of the same rhetoric as these neo-Nazis and citing the same sources, grievances and having the same modern heroes they do, what is your opinion on the neo-Nazi and alt-right movement they belong to as a whole?
The very place where free speech should be experienced, however moronic or hateful, is college. It i where young adults, learning to think, should be exposed to anything their peers think. It is where you should hear the best AND the dumbest ideas.
It is NOT a place where you should be PROTECTED from things you disagree with, offensive views or otherwise. That's why you are there, to experience and learn!
The Fucking PURPOSE of college is to expose you to all possible thoughts so can have heard them and decided they made sense or not!
Oh, and get a degree in something... But that's a technical detail. You go to college to debate, discuss, challenge. You can get a degree in anything. But you don't get a chance to disagree rationally anywhere else as much as at college.
If you go to college and don't learn how to argue about stuff, you sure won't learn anywhere else.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 03:42:02 AM
I am getting ridiculed for having Muslims under my bed.
You have Nazist.
Welcome to the club.
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Holy fuck. How does it feel finally reaching rock bottom?
QuoteThe very place where free speech should be experienced, however moronic or hateful, is college. It i where young adults, learning to think, should be exposed to anything their peers think. It is where you should hear the best AND the dumbest ideas.
Jeez, and they call me the idealist...
Hate speech is not protected by the state, and it's within any businesses right to shut that shit down as quickly as they please.
I'm sorry, but why exactly should hate speech be protected? You don't have to have someone yelling, "FUCK BLACK PEOPLE!" to know that the idea that thinking black people should fuck themselves is wrong. You don't have to have someone tell you, "Yeah, I think Hitler wasn't as bad as people say..." to know that
HITLER WAS COMPLETELY AS BAD AS PEOPLE SAY!This was a podium for them to spread borderline hate speech, and to get paid for doing it. That isn't allowing both sides to present their argument, that is allowing hate speech to spread and to make money off of it.
Unacceptable.
Nazis?
Well the WWII nazis have eliminated my parents, spending my first few years in an orphanage.
Then educated under a communist regime, Uncle Joe (Stalin) was our God.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2017, 03:57:26 AM
Jeez, and they call me the idealist...
Not idealist, no. Ideologue. There is a difference.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 03:57:44 AM
Unacceptable.
Nazis?
Well the WWII nazis have eliminated my parents, spending my first few years in an orphanage.
Then educated under a communist regime, Uncle Joe (Stalin) was our God.
Then if you find them unacceptable, why do you defend their rhetoric and their positions? I'll admit, you have never heiled Hitler (which is kinda a big deal for them), but in terms of the xenophobia and the anti-leftist/anti-foreigner rhetoric... you literally have said the exact same things they do, and quote the exact same voices as them.
How does it feel to be the Moderate Muslim who is more than just silently encouraging and agreeing with the radicals, except with Nazism? Sure, sure, you might not support Shariah... but you are down for like, maybe, 80% of it being enforced?
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2017, 03:57:26 AM
Jeez, and they call me the idealist...
Hate speech is not protected by the state, and it's within any businesses right to shut that shit down as quickly as they please.
I'm sorry, but why exactly should hate speech be protected? You don't have to have someone yelling, "FUCK BLACK PEOPLE!" to know that the idea that thinking black people should fuck themselves is wrong. You don't have to have someone tell you, "Yeah, I think Hitler wasn't as bad as people say..." to know that HITLER WAS COMPLETELY AS BAD AS PEOPLE SAY!
This was a podium for them to spread borderline hate speech, and to get paid for doing it. That isn't allowing both sides to present their argument, that is allowing hate speech to spread and to make money off of it.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 03:57:44 AM
Unacceptable.
Nazis?
Well the WWII nazis have eliminated my parents, spending my first few years in an orphanage.
Then educated under a communist regime, Uncle Joe (Stalin) was our God.
I'm sorry you had a hard life. But you mostly make no sense...
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2017, 04:02:26 AM
Then if you find them unacceptable, why do you defend their rhetoric and their positions? I'll admit, you have never heiled Hitler (which is kinda a big deal for them), but in terms of the xenophobia and the anti-leftist/anti-foreigner rhetoric... you literally have said the exact same things they do, and quote the exact same voices as them.
How does it feel to be the Moderate Muslim who is more than just silently encouraging and agreeing with the radicals, except with Nazism? Sure, sure, you might not support Shariah... but you are down for like, maybe, 80% of it being enforced?
I do not defend nazis.
These speakers are not nazis.
You call them that because they are contrary to your indoctrinated ideology.
And you are following the opinion of others.
Without examination, you are becoming judge, jury and executioner.
How soon before I will be declared a nazi?
I do respect your opinion, Cave, so let me reword it...
I support these people having a voice at universities... but I don't agree that universities have a necessity to protect it, nor do I think it is benefical to protect it. It is completely up to the university, and most of them go much further at protecting hate speech than I feel they need to.
But in the current environment... it's just not appropriate. It would be like having the National Guard speak about how great they were the day after Kent State... there is a time and place for everything, and that and this simply is not it.
QuoteI do not defend nazis.
No, you just rather deflect any time they are attacked. Completely different.
QuoteThese speakers are not nazis.
Never said they were.
QuoteYou call them that because they are contrary to your indoctrinated ideology.
I have specifically said they aren't Nazis at least two times now in this thread, mate.
QuoteAnd you are following the opinion of others.
Right, I am following the opinion of others. Let's see... I am following the opinion that someone who defends Nazi rhetoric to the point her own right-wing news organization is distancing themselves from her or quitting in protest is a shitty human being. I am following the opinion that someone who is bigoted towards the LGBT+ community and opposes bills that protect the community is a shitty human being. I am following the opinion that someone who agrees with White Supremacists and gives them a voice on his youtube channel, amongst several other bigot groups, is a shitty human being.
Wow. You sure got me there.
QuoteWithout examination, you are becoming judge, jury and executioner.
Oh, the fucking irony is going to give me a stroke.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 04:13:34 AM
I do not defend nazis.
These speakers are not nazis.
You call them that because they are contrary to your indoctrinated ideology.
And you are following the opinion of others.
Without examination, you are becoming judge, jury and executioner.
How soon before I will be declared a nazi?
Ah... No those people saying they are Nazis ARE Nazis... You aren't going to get around that one...I won't let you and I doubt others will.
The thread is about the speakers of the university in question.
Gad Saad, Faith Goldi, Jordan Peterson.
I do not think they have declared themselves nazis.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 04:39:12 AM
The thread is about the speakers of the university in question.
Gad Saad, Faith Goldi, Jordan Peterson.
I do not think they have declared themselves nazis.
The problem is the same. College students should hear many people speak. Intelligent speakers and idiots. How else will the learn to tell the difference ?
The left doesn’t want to debate, they simply silence them.
The easy way out.
The more I think about it, I will actually change my opinion on Faith. I didn't call her a Nazi at first, even though she sympathized with the neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and agreed with many of their points, because she didn't call herself a neo-Nazi. But let's think about this for a second, with something like being a racist being similarly condemned in public as neo-Nazism is...
"I hate black people, I think they are sub-human trash who are lazy and smoke dope all day and rape our white women! And them Asians, with their eyes and what not... and don't get me started on them wet backs! Anyways though, I'm not a racist. I don't think we should kill all the blacks or anything, maybe just put them back in slavery..." - (Actually someone in my family)
Would we be sitting here arguing over if he is a racist or not, because he said he isn't racist? No. And neo-Nazism is the same... it isn't something you have to identify as to be one, no more than you have to identify as liberal, conservative, whatever to be one. As someone said earlier, "...if it quacks like a Nazi...." or something to that effect. She agreed with the policy parts of their ideology, just not with the parts that are too socially stigmatized for her to support. That is a neo-Nazi.
So I stand corrected; I do think the university invited an ashamed neo-Nazi to give a paid speech at their campus.
I think the word “liberal†is misused. Those who call themselves liberal are anything but.
They are authoratarians, my way or else, you fascist scum.
Are antifa, blm, bamn liberals? Hell no.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 04:50:44 AM
The left doesn’t want to debate, they simply silence them.
The easy way out.
A typical argument of neo-nazis. The left debates all the time. It is nearly a hobby. The best analogy I can offer here is that the extreme Right is like creationists here on the atheist forum.
Really? Then why are universities against free speech?
No dissent are allowed.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Really? Then why are universities against free speech?
No dissent are allowed.
They shouldn't be and I disagree with the current bad habit! That was sort of my premise, in case you hadn't noticed...
Yes I did notice it.
Must admit, I was a bit surprised.
QuoteReally? Then why are universities against free speech?
>Literally in a thread about universities giving them free speech that was only cancelled because the people they support couldn't behave themselves like adults, or even basic human beings, and left 1 person dead and many others severely injured.
>Literally blaming the university for the actions of neo-fucking-Nazis.
>Literally in a thread where multiple people have posted what exactly free speech actually means.
I literally cant even.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2017, 05:49:04 AM
>Literally in a thread about universities giving them free speech that was only cancelled because the people they support couldn't behave themselves like adults, or even basic human beings, and left 1 person dead and many others severely injured.
>Literally blaming the university for the actions of neo-fucking-Nazis.
>Literally in a thread where multiple people have posted what exactly free speech actually means.
I literally cant even.
I think there can be situations where students don't want to hear some things. At ceremonies for sports events, the purpose isn't to listen to political speeches, and at graduation, the purpose of a speech should be to encourage graduates to go forth and do their best. Other than that, let them rip...
Universities should only ever be about education and nothing else, it should never be about pushing a political doctrine regardless of whatever the students political leaning is. Seems certain tutors don't prescribe to that however and want to drill their personal bias onto developing minds.
Quote from: Munch on August 17, 2017, 06:29:58 AM
Universities should only ever be about education and nothing else, it should never be about pushing a political doctrine regardless of whatever the students political leaning is. Seems certain tutors don't prescribe to that however and want to drill their personal bias onto developing minds.
Exposure to varying political thoughts is educational too. The point is VARYING political thoughts.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 01:47:36 AM
Or rather, their parents. No student has that kind of money.
Parents who don't know or care how their youngsters are being "educated".
You are the master of sweeping generalizations.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 06:55:58 AM
Exposure to varying political thoughts is educational too. The point is VARYING political thoughts.
Does Caligula count as a minority to be tolerated? Two D party guys in total agreement ... that R party guys are racist ... isn't a variance.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 05:31:41 AM
A typical argument of neo-nazis. The left debates all the time. It is nearly a hobby. The best analogy I can offer here is that the extreme Right is like creationists here on the atheist forum.
They debate .. Marxism vs Leninism vs Stalinism vs Maoism ...
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 01:24:30 AM
The students do pay the bills, so to speak. ;)
Upset the students, and they will take their money elsewhere.
Parents pay the bills, mostly. Yes, take their money to Moscow University.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 06:55:58 AM
Exposure to varying political thoughts is educational too. The point is VARYING political thoughts.
Agreed, teaching about the two schools or varying aspects of politics, examples in history, but not tutors forcing their views or grading based on those political biases
Quote from: Munch on August 17, 2017, 08:06:51 AM
Agreed, teaching about the two schools or varying aspects of politics, examples in history, but not tutors forcing their views or grading based on those political biases
Seminars are best for learning, but we don't get into those until senior years here. It should start earlier.
Defining Academic Freedom (https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2010/12/21/defining-academic-freedom)
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 10:21:22 AM
Defining Academic Freedom (https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2010/12/21/defining-academic-freedom)
I presume, since you posted it, you have some opinion on that? Otherwise, why mention it?
I look at it logically in this way:
Having a speaker that proscribes to a hateful ideology is akin to a Nazi addressing a room full of Jewish holocaust camp survivors or a slave owner addressing a room full of black people.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
I look at it logically in this way:
Having a speaker that proscribes to a hateful ideology is akin to a Nazi addressing a room full of Jewish holocaust camp survivors or a slave owner addressing a room full of black people.
Yeah, but did that ever stop a Southern White Congressman from holding such views? In rural areas, they still talk that way.
Now a muslo will come and say: they are marginal group of people, dont blame islam, blame muslims : )
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on August 17, 2017, 11:07:02 AM
Now a muslo will come and say: they are marginal group of people, dont blame islam, blame muslims : )
Those who do not condemn, agree by silence...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Those who do not condemn, agree by silence...
Great, now use that same logic with the original post.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
Great, now use that same logic with the original post.
I did not agree with stifling speech in the original post. But I also did not say the speech could not be questioned or protested.
Personally, I listened to many speeches I did not like in college, but I sat on my hands until they were done. THEN I yelled...
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 10:52:46 AM
I look at it logically in this way:
Having a speaker that proscribes to a hateful ideology is akin to a Nazi addressing a room full of Jewish holocaust camp survivors or a slave owner addressing a room full of black people.
Snowflakes all the way down. No wonder there is such large production of adult diapers.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Those who do not condemn, agree by silence...
Those who don't kill, are pacifist scum.
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 03:05:35 PM
Those who don't kill, are pacifist scum.
You make it seem as though pacifism is such a bad thing.
Quote from: pr126 on August 17, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Really? Then why are universities against free speech?
No dissent are allowed.
All modern societies are totalitarian. All primitive societies are tribal shit holes. Dissent is the first thing you work on ... per Machiavelli. Any political science class should teach Machiavelli, and shameless self promotion (why Il Principe was written).
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 03:06:32 PM
You make it seem as though pacifism is such a bad thing.
Pacifists ... they don't run when you cull them, and them's good eatin'
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Pacifists ... they don't run when you cull them, and them's good eatin'
Make sure you start with my cock.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
Make sure you start with my cock.
Sorry, no dark meat ... just white meat. Are you White?
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 03:06:32 PM
You make it seem as though pacifism is such a bad thing.
Baruch, I assume? It sounds like his usual nonsense. But pacifism doesn't thrill me either. Someone comes at me with a baseball bat, I'll kill the sucker. One of my favorite movie scenes of all time is when some expert guy with a sword comes at Indiana Jones and he just shoots him...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:13:19 PM
Baruch, I assume? It sounds like his usual nonsense. But pacifism doesn't thrill me either. Someone comes at me with a baseball bat, I'll kill the sucker. One of my favorite movie scenes of all time is when some expert guy with a sword comes at Indiana Jones and he just shoots him...
A cave bear may live where there are snowflakes, but he isn't one.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 03:11:41 PM
Make sure you start with my cock.
Don't let him goad you into problems...
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 03:12:32 PM
Sorry, no dark meat ... just white meat. Are you White?
Yes, though the sun damage may make me appear as though I am not as white as I am.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
Yes, though the sun damage may make me appear as though I am not as white as I am.
Tan some more, I like my KFC extra chrispy ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 03:17:11 PM
Tan some more, I like my KFC extra chrispy ;-)
Well, skin melanin is merely a function of light adaption. And as a friend once said, we are all pink on the inside...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 11:10:59 AM
Well, skin melanin is merely a function of light adaption. And as a friend once said, we are all pink on the inside...
Yes, this is why humanity is rare ;-) Still bleeds when you fork it.
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 03:04:40 PM
Snowflakes all the way down. No wonder there is such large production of adult diapers.
See? That's what annoys people. The comment makes no sense, and the following one isn't in English and I'm not going to the effort to translate it.
You could do a lot better here in actual words that made sense to anyone other than yourself. You want to be understood, speak the local language. If you want to talk in Aremic, find an Aremic site.
Give us a 3/4 chance at least.
Secret ... my Kekisani posts are English. Y'all aren't smart though to know anything, unless I tell you?
And no, the regular English isn't well organized ... can't be ... I am not making a homework for composition class.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:34:17 PM
Secret ... my Kekisani posts are English. Y'all aren't smart though to know anything, unless I tell you?
And no, the regular English isn't well organized ... can't be ... I am not making a homework for composition class.
그것ì,, 보지 ì•Šê³ ì´ê²ƒì,, ì½ì,, 수 있습니까?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:36:59 PM
그것ì,, 보지 ì•Šê³ ì´ê²ƒì,, ì½ì,, 수 있습니까?
I recognize it as Korean. I have only studied Korean a short while in 2011. Their writing system is very rational compared to Japanese.
I once was confronted with a problem at work. One of the laser printers had reset itself, including the display language. Nobody could read the language. I recognized it was Finnish ... then with a separate laptop connected to Google Translate, we could navigate thru the Finnish to restore the English settings.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:39:31 PM
I recognize it as Korean. I have only studied Korean a short while in 2011. Their writing system is very rational compared to Japanese.
I once was confronted with a problem at work. One of the laser printers had reset itself, including the display language. Nobody could read the language. I recognized it was Finnish ... then with a separate laptop connected to Google Translate, we could navigate thru the Finnish to restore the English settings.
That's good enough. Congrats language master. Now have a good nap...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
See? That's what annoys people. The comment makes no sense, and the following one isn't in English and I'm not going to the effort to translate it.
You could do a lot better here in actual words that made sense to anyone other than yourself. You want to be understood, speak the local language. If you want to talk in Aremic, find an Aremic site.
Give us a 3/4 chance at least.
If you get tired of puzzling over Baruchistani you could visit atheistforums.org or skeptic.com
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 20, 2017, 06:09:26 PM
If you get tired of puzzling over Baruchistani you could visit atheistforums.org or skeptic.com
Never heard of skeptic.com, though I'm taking a well deserved extended break from the .org site.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 20, 2017, 06:09:26 PM
If you get tired of puzzling over Baruchistani you could visit atheistforums.org or skeptic.com
And have to spend months learning which ones are idiots all over again? No thanks.