https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVqdc_R8Qsk
Bring back the 1950s!
When will the book burning start?
Book burning? Like your Nazi friends? We have more access to more information today that ever before in history.
I do not have any Nazi friends.
Quote from: pr126 on August 15, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
I do not have any Nazi friends.
Well, you're right wing as all fuck, so I don't believe you.
The only cultural vandalism I see going on in the US today is the fucking Nazis and their enablers who are polluting the country.
Fuck off, Nazis. You are not welcome in human civilization. Godwin's Law has been revoked. If it goose-steps like a Nazi and Sieg Heils like a Nazi, it's a Nazi.
Both the neo nazis and the far left and fucking vandals, both groups can fuck off since their both extreme sides of the same coin.
Islamists and SJW are similar in this way. Once they have power, they erase all previous history. Hence the reasons for destroying the ruins of Hatra and Palmyra ... even though they have been there under Islam for 1400 years. Supposedly a Muslim was responsible for defacing the Sphinx's nose. But Egyptian Christians had done their share of defacing before the Muslim army even got there. With SJW, they want to erase all history that is pre-Obama. There is no god but Marx, and Obama is his prophet. They don't want you to know that the US started primarily as a British colony, that our ancestors were mean to the Natives, that Americans love conflict and war (we are not like Gandhi or even MLK), that the Republican party ever existed, that the Civil War happened etc. Basically anything prior to 2009, never happened ... it was all fake news. Not even the French are as psychopathic as the SJW in the US.
Quote from: Munch on August 15, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Both the neo nazis and the far left and fucking vandals, both groups can fuck off since their both extreme sides of the same coin.
"are" ;-)
Anyway, don't forget reactionaries.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
"are" ;-)
Anyway, don't forget reactionaries.
Reactionaries at least have a pulse. Corpses are never reactionaries, they just decay. Both sides are "triggered" ... I don't see any point in calling one side progressive and the other regressive, except after one side wins (temporarily) and then they choose a designation for themselves at that time, that they think flatters them. But the reality is that they are assholes.
Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
Reactionaries at least have a pulse.
I will always trust one who is emotional over one who is analytical, corporate, and supposedly logical.
Emotion is a core aspect of who we are as humans, and to be informed to remove emotion in any given situation is merely the perpetuation of robotism.
I am no robot, even though I do appreciate and understanding logic having its place. However, logic should never complete an individual.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 15, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
I will always trust one who is emotional over one who is analytical, corporate, and supposedly logical.
Emotion is a core aspect of who we are as humans, and to be informed to remove emotion in any given situation is merely the perpetuation of robotism.
I am no robot, even though I do appreciate and understanding logic having its place. However, logic should never complete an individual.
So no real Vulcan's after all?
Quote from: Baruch on August 15, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
So no real Vulcan's after all?
All I know is I wasn't born with pointed ears and an inclination for contorting the fingers of my hand.
Were the Germans committing cultural vandalism when they tore down Nazi propaganda? Were the Chileans committing cultural vandalism when they tore down statues and monuments to Pinochet? The Iraqis when they toppled the Saddam statue? Eastern bloc countries who removed Communist monuments?
Here's the thing; these "cultural landmarks" are of a culture that no human, not a single one, should take pride in. I think they belong in a museum rather than being destroyed, but they have no place in a civilized society when you look at the context these statues were built. At the time they were placed, this is the mindset; "We need to remind those African Americans, that we committed mass genocide against and enslaved, that even though they are now free we are still the masters." These statues were placed for that goal, and for one more... to honour a state that believed in chattel slavery, to revere leaders who waged a terrible and extremely bloody war against it's own government to protect it's right to own slaves and finally to express that even though they lost the war, the pride of what they once were will live on.
These statues have a place and a right to exist I believe, but it's not in public where they can serve their terrible purpose. Rather they should be in museums, or designed to express the historical truth of what they represent. Turn them into Auschwitzs and stigmatize everything they stood for by presenting the truth of who these people were.
The state will not do these things, so people unfortunately took it into their own hands. But the problem is is that people have been asking for these statues to be removed, moved, or otherwise put into context and the Southern states have time and time again said, "Bah, what are you crying about? This is our right!".
No, fuck that. You lost, both the war and any moral high ground as well when you defended slavery, you don't get to brag about how awesome those days were. It's time to move the fuck on and get with the times.
Also, seriously, comparing the "far left" (who you often have indicated that consider anyone who thinks women should be treated as equal, the LGBT community should be protected, that religious rights should be protected, etc. as the, "far left") with actual fucking Nazis and the KKK. Brilliant.
To quote the internet...
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20770397_470495403335251_3300602519890488092_n.png?oh=476374cad7e0b30a9fa595461cd482a8&oe=5A22588E)
I'm reminded of two things that Indiana Jones said:
"It belongs in a museum."
"Nazis! I hate these guys!"
Here in Taiwan, most statues of Chiang Kai-Shek have been taken down and moved to a park.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 16, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Also, seriously, comparing the "far left" (who you often have indicated that consider anyone who thinks women should be treated as equal, the LGBT community should be protected, that religious rights should be protected, etc. as the, "far left") with actual fucking Nazis and the KKK. Brilliant.
Ever hear of the horseshoe theory?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdtvkLGVIAAhu0f.jpg)
(https://masonologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/political-spectrum-horsesho.png)
Making the claim your sides better then the other side is just denying the serious problems of when extremism goes to far down. Human nature when going to far off a spectrum leads to such extremes, of course anyone on whatever extreme side would try and deny that because there side is perfect.
(https://putanumonit.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/molochs-horseshow.png?w=640)
any sane, rational person understands that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum, and driving for a balance set of ideas is the only way to have a peaceful society. Saying you want just your side to be the dominate side of the political spectrum is just antagonizing for the sake of it.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 15, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
I will always trust one who is emotional over one who is analytical, corporate, and supposedly logical.
Emotion is a core aspect of who we are as humans, and to be informed to remove emotion in any given situation is merely the perpetuation of robotism.
I am no robot, even though I do appreciate and understanding logic having its place. However, logic should never complete an individual.
Who says it does? However, running on raw emotion is great for people who don't want to think.
Quote from: Munch on August 16, 2017, 06:28:53 AM
Ever hear of the horseshoe theory?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdtvkLGVIAAhu0f.jpg)
(https://masonologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/political-spectrum-horsesho.png)
Making the claim your sides better then the other side is just denying the serious problems of when extremism goes to far down. Human nature when going to far off a spectrum leads to such extremes, of course anyone on whatever extreme side would try and deny that because there side is perfect.
(https://putanumonit.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/molochs-horseshow.png?w=640)
any sane, rational person understands that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum, and driving for a balance set of ideas is the only way to have a peaceful society. Saying you want just your side to be the dominate side of the political spectrum is just antagonizing for the sake of it.
That was completely irrelevant to anything said but... cool?
Munch - political discourse involved New Speak ... Liberalism today isn't Centrist, it is anarcho-communist (see anti-Fa). But if you want peace, you have to have justice, and if you want justice, you have to kill millions. Anarcho-Communists don't want to kill millions themselves, they want someone else to do the dirty work, while they cheer on YouTube. I am the only one here, who would score near center on that recent poll.
Shiranu - yes, you would be much more comfortable in PC France or PC Germany. But if you really want to be PC, I would arrest and FEMA camp every Democrat (sarc). Why argue over past political movements? We have FEMA camp inductees right here, right now. Y'all are still just virtue signaling ... you aren't doing anything real about revolution, because as the Chinese say, y'all are paper tigers.
Quote from: Munch on August 15, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Both the neo nazis and the far left and fucking vandals, both groups can fuck off since their both extreme sides of the same coin.
There is no equivalence between neo nazis wielding torches, batons, plexiglass shields and AK-47s and peaceful progressives. You have your own fantasy Munch. I will not support it.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 16, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Were the Germans committing cultural vandalism when they tore down Nazi propaganda? Were the Chileans committing cultural vandalism when they tore down statues and monuments to Pinochet? The Iraqis when they toppled the Saddam statue? Eastern bloc countries who removed Communist monuments?
Here's the thing; these "cultural landmarks" are of a culture that no human, not a single one, should take pride in. I think they belong in a museum rather than being destroyed, but they have no place in a civilized society when you look at the context these statues were built. At the time they were placed, this is the mindset; "We need to remind those African Americans, that we committed mass genocide against and enslaved, that even though they are now free we are still the masters." These statues were placed for that goal, and for one more... to honour a state that believed in chattel slavery, to revere leaders who waged a terrible and extremely bloody war against it's own government to protect it's right to own slaves and finally to express that even though they lost the war, the pride of what they once were will live on.
These statues have a place and a right to exist I believe, but it's not in public where they can serve their terrible purpose. Rather they should be in museums, or designed to express the historical truth of what they represent. Turn them into Auschwitzs and stigmatize everything they stood for by presenting the truth of who these people were.
The state will not do these things, so people unfortunately took it into their own hands. But the problem is is that people have been asking for these statues to be removed, moved, or otherwise put into context and the Southern states have time and time again said, "Bah, what are you crying about? This is our right!".
No, fuck that. You lost, both the war and any moral high ground as well when you defended slavery, you don't get to brag about how awesome those days were. It's time to move the fuck on and get with the times.
Also, seriously, comparing the "far left" (who you often have indicated that consider anyone who thinks women should be treated as equal, the LGBT community should be protected, that religious rights should be protected, etc. as the, "far left") with actual fucking Nazis and the KKK. Brilliant.
To quote the internet...
(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20770397_470495403335251_3300602519890488092_n.png?oh=476374cad7e0b30a9fa595461cd482a8&oe=5A22588E)
What you miss is the differences between the symbols you compare.
Many memorials were placed/made not to adhere to or to demonstrate superiority or authority. Some memorials were placed by union soldiers with union money. To respect soldiers who served and help mend the country.
why? because you cant mind a country after civil war by disgracing or ereasing the other side.
in Germany and other locations, they deleted visiual presence to help move people forward. the same could not be done after a civil war.
furthermore, these memorials were for the future generations. to see and remember. otherwise the memorial that recognizes and respects both union and rebel soldiers at gettysburg is lost. that message and the weight of our prior citizens' message is lost.
2. nazis are socialist totaltarians. thats the govt. they want. that puts them at the far left of the political scale.
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Where's the statues to the Unibomber, Father Coughlin, Tim McVeigh?
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 10:41:36 AM
What you miss is the differences between the symbols you compare.
Many memorials were placed/made not to adhere to or to demonstrate superiority or authority. Some memorials were placed by union soldiers with union money. To respect soldiers who served and help mend the country.
why? because you cant mind a country after civil war by disgracing or ereasing the other side.
in Germany and other locations, they deleted visiual presence to help move people forward. the same could not be done after a civil war.
furthermore, these memorials were for the future generations. to see and remember. otherwise the memorial that recognizes and respects both union and rebel soldiers at gettysburg is lost. that message and the weight of our prior citizens' message is lost.
2. nazis are socialist totaltarians. thats the govt. they want. that puts them at the far left of the political scale.
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Oh Randonvim, you so completely miss the point. I had a co=worker much like you. Pleasnt guy, polite, southern, He could discuss civil war battles with me no end (I was equally knowledgable. But sometimes when he felt comfortable, he would let it slip. "Blacks were inferior, better off when slaves, useless Jim Crow characters, at best , that Zippidy-Do-Da Guy". He forgot sometimes, that just because I was a white guy, I might not agree with him. He loved talking about the Old South as if he had lived in it. And he wanted to. He did Civil War re-enactments, pretending he was one of those good old soldiers fighting for Massa Lee and the South!
It is EXACTLY that memory that should have been riven out with the hanging of traitors. It is one of the few things I disagree about with Lincoln. The South should never have been allowed to remain glorifying the Civil War they started that left 700,000 young men of promise on both sides dead. The leaders should have been killed as traitors and disglorified in prisons or gallows.
The statues were not placed at the aftermath of war. They were placed when Southerners tried again in the 1920 and 1950s to promote racism again. They should all be destroyed.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 11:16:05 AM
Where's the statues to the Unibomber, Father Coughlin, Tim McVeigh?
Probably hidden away in basements, away from the public eye, where they deserve to rot.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:17:17 AM
Oh Randonvim, you so completely miss the point. I had a co=worker much like you. Pleasnt guy, polite, southern, He could discuss civil war battles with me no end (I was equally knowledgable. But sometimes when he felt comfortable, he would let it slip. "Blacks were inferior, better off when slaves, useless Jim Crow characters, at best , that Zippidy-Do-Da Guy". He forgot sometimes, that just because I was a white guy, I might not agree with him. He loved talking about the Old South as if he had lived in it. And he wanted to. He did Civil War re-enactments, pretending he was one of those good old soldiers fighting for Massa Lee and the South!
It is EXACTLY that memory that should have been riven out with the hanging of traitors. It is one of the few things I disagree about with Lincoln. The South should never have been allowed to remain glorifying the Civil War they started that left 700,000 young men of promise on both sides dead. The leaders should have been killed as traitors and disglorified in prisons or gallows.
The statues were not placed at the aftermath of war. They were placed when Southerners tried again in the 1920 and 1950s to promote racism again. They should all be destroyed.
1. Im 3rd generation who never been to the south. My ancestors fled their countries due to opression and idiotic socialism. Im furthest from your friend.
2. You will never change minds of a person by hanging thousands of brothers, cousins, and fathers. thats saved for war criminals and trators during that time.
3. I said memorials. not statues. some statues were built later but memorials are a different matter.
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Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 11:29:11 AM
1. Im 3rd generation who never been to the south. My ancestors fled their countries due to opression and idiotic socialism. Im furthest from your friend.
2. You will never change minds of a person by hanging thousands of brothers, cousins, and fathers. thats saved for war criminals and trators during that time.
3. I said memorials. not statues. some statues were built later but memorials are a different matter.
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OK, but the matter at hand is statues that support the ideas of slavery and are sybolic for those who still think some people are lesser than others.
So you have ansectral connections abroad. Are there people who oppressed your grandparents? Who are they? How do you think of them? Do you want them glorified?
I think we should get back to the values of the founding fathers! Arapaho, Shoshone, Apache, etc.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 01:15:13 PM
I think we should get back to the values of the founding fathers! Arapaho, Shoshone, Apache, etc.
Only if I can scalp me some white Republicans.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 01:15:13 PM
I think we should get back to the values of the founding fathers! Arapaho, Shoshone, Apache, etc.
Are you interested in Native American origins and immigration to the Americas? I would like to discuss that.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
Only if I can scalp me some white Republicans.
I appreciate broad humor (love Adult Swim at midnight). But why limit it to white Republicans? There are various minority Republicans too.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 01:43:55 PM
I appreciate broad humor (love Adult Swim at midnight). But why limit it to white Republicans? There are various minority Republicans too.
I was trying to be more culturally accurate, considering it was the "white" man who turned the natives into an endangered species.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 01:50:07 PM
I was trying to be more culturally accurate, considering it was the "white" man who turned the natives into an endangered species.
The situation was trickier than you assume. It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.
That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers.
Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery. I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same.
People have often thought it silly that I do not celebrate Thanksgiving, but in light of what was done it is rather logical too.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 01:40:29 PM
Are you interested in Native American origins and immigration to the Americas? I would like to discuss that.
Interested? Yes. Even more ignorant? Yes squared.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 02:26:20 PM
Interested? Yes. Even more ignorant? Yes squared.
OK, they either came from Polynesia via the Pacific coastline or across the northern Atlantic along the ice shelf. They didn't first come across the Bering land mass.
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 10:41:36 AM
2. nazis are socialist totaltarians. thats the govt. they want. that puts them at the far left of the political scale.
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Nazis are NOT socialist. From Wiki--The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.
Hitler's deepest hatred was not for the Jews--but communism and socialism. He blamed the Reichstag's fire not on Jews, but on Communists and socialists. Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum.
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State. Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)
"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed. Sound familiar?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that. I thought you knew. One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies. And sometimes you realize really strange things.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
The situation was trickier than you assume. It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.
That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers.
Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery. I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same.
Americans are more guilty than that. Didn't stop at Wounded Knee in 1890.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
People have often thought it silly that I do not celebrate Thanksgiving, but in light of what was done it is rather logical too.
Lincoln started Thanksgiving ... Yankee scum.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:52:19 PM
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State. Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)
"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed. Sound familiar?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that. I thought you knew. One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies. And sometimes you realize really strange things.
National socialism vs international socialism. International socialism was Trotsky ... and the EU. National socialism was Hitler and Stalin. But Hitler kept private property (but under party control). Stalin nationalized everything, got the Junkers out of his hair. It was Junker leaning German officers, who were the core of the movement to depose Hitler (when they were losing). So Stalin was both socialist and communist (no private ownership). And yes, modern Russia is more like the Nazis than the Stalinists ... same as present day China. The US is also more Nazi .. at least since neb-lib/neo-con axis formed under Clinton.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:36:30 AM
OK, but the matter at hand is statues that support the ideas of slavery and are sybolic for those who still think some people are lesser than others.
So you have ansectral connections abroad. Are there people who oppressed your grandparents? Who are they? How do you think of them? Do you want them glorified?
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).
2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).
beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.
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Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 03:42:12 PM
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).
2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).
beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.
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The intent of statues is to honor the individuals for what they accomplished. I can't see how honoring a traitor is appropriate. What Lee did before or after the speaks to him as an individual. But his statues aren't depicting him as a proper young Federal Officer or President of a College.
His statues are of him as a military leader fighting to support slavery (as declared explicitly in most of the Confederate State constitutions) and as a traitor to his Government and Country. Those must all be removed.
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 03:42:12 PM
1. you cant control what someone else will think. if a person sees u.s. flag as a sign of opression, then they will. intent of the flag is to represent the country. intent of some statues and memorials are to never forget the bloodshed and respect (as mentioned before).
2. respond to second paragraph. main group was nazi. no I do not wish for nazi to be glorified, but I do think there is a difference in character and belief between Lee. (who is reported to have had a system of education for slaves and free blacks after war) vs. hitler (who didnt do anything of the like and murdered thousands).
beyond character i do look at other aspects ir factors to consider a person individually.
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The villains are sometimes more interesting than the heroes. But I don't see the point in getting upset at historical people. Look at it like an anthropologist from another planet.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 04:00:46 AM
There is no equivalence between neo nazis wielding torches, batons, plexiglass shields and AK-47s and peaceful progressives. You have your own fantasy Munch. I will not support it.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.807160
Apparently I'm not the only one. Where do you get this only left does just peaceful protest from?
Quote from: Munch on August 17, 2017, 04:09:14 PM
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.807160
Apparently I'm not the only one. Where do you get this only left does just peaceful protest from?
The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police. The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!
There IS a difference.
You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead. No skin off MY nose. But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:52:19 PM
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State. Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)
"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed. Sound familiar?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that. I thought you knew. One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies. And sometimes you realize really strange things.
In a sense, okay. Socialism was in the name of the Nazi party. I knew that. But it seems to me that the Nazi's were organized around race whereas socialism is usually based around class.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
OK, they either came from Polynesia via the Pacific coastline or across the northern Atlantic along the ice shelf. They didn't first come across the Bering land mass.
You were there?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:52:19 PM
I' have to advise you that the Nazis were a socialist State. Socialist in the sense that all industry was held by private individuals but completely controlled by the State (much as Russia is now, BTW)
"NAZI stands for der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei â€" in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party. All production was given to the State, which took all that was needed, and gave the State goods to the workers as they needed. Sound familiar?
I'm sorry to have to tell you that. I thought you knew. One of the problems with being a Political Science major is that you have to do a lot of national case studies. And sometimes you realize really strange things.
The
National Socialists were statists, not socialists. Everything was for the good of the state, not the people. "Socialist" was added to the party name in the hope of confusing left-leaning people.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police. The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!
There IS a difference.
You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead. No skin off MY nose. But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.
Thugs are bad. But with anti-Fa .. they are violent ... doesn't matter if they only have fists, or AK-47s. I get the impression that anti-Fa was present. Also paid protestors ($25 per person) were bussed in by Soros ... again. If the Left were all pacifists ... I would laugh them off, because they will be as politically significant as Esperantists.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 02:11:38 PM
The situation was trickier than you assume. It seems that more Native Americans died of diseases the Europeans didn't even know they had than were ever killed directly.
That being said, the incoming Europeans were often brutal thugs who never considered treaties worth enforcing. treated Native Americans horridly, took advantage of the tribal structure, and even took steps to reduce their numbers.
Americans of European origin have 2 shames...treatment of Native Americans and Black slavery. I could say "I wasn't there then", but had I been raised then, I probably would have been the same.
I have no shame for that. not only did none of my ancestors partake in that, but not every single white person during that time period treated natives like crud.
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Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 05:19:39 PM
I have no shame for that. not only did none of my ancestors partake in that, but not every single white person during that time period treated natives like crud.
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Notice how anti-racists, still think in collectivist terms. All Native Americans, all Illegal Immigrants (what pioneers were). I don't support racism, but I find collectivism just as bigoted. The OP though is about statues of specific individuals. That ennui doesn't necessarily extend to their contemporaries they associated with ... except guilt by association, which is also something SJWs seem high on ... and racists.
All Baruch's.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 05:31:24 PM
All Baruch's.
Well I can tell you that life isn't all blessings (baruchah).
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 05:43:56 PM
Well I can tell you that life isn't all blessings (baruchah).
I already knew that. Curse you.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police. The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!
There IS a difference.
You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead. No skin off MY nose. But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.
They didn't come just to boo, they came with more primitive weapons and attacked in kind. There was nothing peaceful about any of that, and both sides attacked each other.
Also, I'm not just talking about this incident solely, I'm thinking of the broader sense of everything happening around this. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows the extremism of the far right, supporting racism, bigotry, slavery. However in the modern day western culture, these practices are not supported and are against the law, making this skinhead protest from neo nazis just a fringe group of bigots attacking out of protest from having one of their heroes statues torn down.
They are a fringe, a smaller group of bigots. They are easily dealt with. But they are far less scary then what Antifa and all its associated groups represent in the grand scheme of things. Antifa for all his rosey outset, represents its own level of fascism in how it goes against freedom of speech, and its just a growing constant now in western countries to shut down freedom of speech because its against your own beliefs with violence.
Antifa, Feminazis, BLM, its all the same shit, people who don't care for someones right to speak, thats more terrifying then any loud mouthed bigot group that would be cut down by the law of the land.
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I'd sooner have a bigots right to spout his crappy bigoted words, then live in a world where just saying or thinking the 'wrong thought' gets you arrested. There is a place like that, its called north korea.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2017, 02:32:32 PM
Nazis are NOT socialist. From Wiki--The National Socialist Program, adopted in 1920, called for a united Greater Germany that would deny citizenship to Jews or those of Jewish descent, while also supporting land reform and the nationalization of some industries. In Mein Kampf, written in 1924, Hitler outlined the antisemitism and anti-communism at the heart of his political philosophy, as well as his disdain for parliamentary democracy and his belief in Germany’s right to territorial expansion.
Hitler's deepest hatred was not for the Jews--but communism and socialism. He blamed the Reichstag's fire not on Jews, but on Communists and socialists. Fascism is on the right side of the political spectrum.
stalin and other communist leaders abroad have killed thousands of socialiats and fellow communists.
having a changed idea to how things are done does not change socialist views. internal fighting does not prevent a system from being socialist.
2. considering a true political scale, yes ... nazis are on the left. as the far-right is NO govt.
https://youtu.be/ODJfwa9XKZQ
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If someone, from the hard right, says we should keep these statues, ask them if a two hundred foot tall FSM statue on government property and maintained by THEIR tax dollars would be okay with them? You'll see selectivity in action very quickly.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:52:47 PM
The intent of statues is to honor the individuals for what they accomplished. I can't see how honoring a traitor is appropriate. What Lee did before or after the speaks to him as an individual. But his statues aren't depicting him as a proper young Federal Officer or President of a College.
His statues are of him as a military leader fighting to support slavery (as declared explicitly in most of the Confederate State constitutions) and as a traitor to his Government and Country. Those must all be removed.
thats the thing. everyone today is looking at the past with eyes of thw present. except today we say, " united states is" instead of "united states are." thats due in thanks, unfortuantely, civil war.
every state was considered its own country, in a way. loyalties were to ones state, because that was your nation.
generals had upmost respect for each other, though some may not be included in this list, because they recognized one another as fullfilling their duties as soldiers acording to where loyalty lied. echoing social differences between the states in terms of vision/consideration as to what federal govt. is.
letters involving lee and others involving lee's refusal to side with union.
personally I think observation of Lee should be during his time with the most conflict he experienced during his life. His actions during war conflicted him up to his years as President of a college. that lesson is for us to learn from.
However I can see and understand your consideration to have the man honored after turmoil as a respected individual. if such a form exists. many pertain idea he remained ville till death. I do not.
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Look, I'm sorry if I am stepping on any "socialist" toes here but socialism is when the government controls the means of production. The German nation, under the Nazis, had de facto control over all national means of production. Why are you getting bent out of shape about this? I don't even consider it a serious matter.
Of course the Nazis were Statist, so were the Soviet communists and so is modern Russia. A nation can be both without any logical problem.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2017, 04:55:49 PM
In a sense, okay. Socialism was in the name of the Nazi party. I knew that. But it seems to me that the Nazi's were organized around race whereas socialism is usually based around class.
I understand your point. Race and class orientation are different. But both can be socialist. In fact the major difference between Nazi and Soviet socialism was exactly that. The Germans organized the distribution od the State's good to a racial view and the Soviets organized it to a class goal. But both were doing the same thing GOVERNMENTALLY!
I didn't realize I was stepping into a hornets nest here. A Nation is "socialist" regardless of who they are supporting so long as the goods being distributed are controlled by the Govt... OK?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
The neo-Nazis came equipped with guns, shields, torches and helmets and attacked the police. The counter-protesters came equipped with none of those and came to just BOO!
There IS a difference.
You wanna come across as some balls-ass norse demi-god, go ahead. No skin off MY nose. But don't ignore the differences between the thugs and the onlookers.
look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.
on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.
heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.
https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4
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Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 05:02:30 PM
The National Socialists were statists, not socialists. Everything was for the good of the state, not the people. "Socialist" was added to the party name in the hope of confusing left-leaning people.
no records I have seen support that.
National socialism is a type/brand of socialism which Germany alone is suggested to have established.
otherwise what statistics did these statists perform?
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Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
thats the thing. everyone today is looking at the past with eyes of thw present. except today we say, " united states is" instead of "united states are." thats due in thanks, unfortuantely, civil war.
Congratulations for watching Ken Burns' The Civil War" As a student of the US Civil War, I really do understand that one major overall social change was that "are" and "is. States became less important.
But that was already happening. The railroads were giving people the freedom to move long distances easily. Trade was less tied to rivers and regions. Goods and foods became more widely available. The nation was becoming more intergrated and that would have happened Civil War or not.
The damned Civil War really happened because the Southern States SAW they were losing the control over the Ntional Govt they had enjoyed since colonial times.
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 07:02:35 PM
look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.
on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.
heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.
https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4
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We were watching different news. I was watching fact-checked news from objective reporters. My guess is that you watch a lot of Fox News.
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 07:02:35 PM
look into antifa online and you'll see th b.s. that has occured for past year or so. maybe longer, think some of these people jump from group to group.
on day of vehicle attack, ballons of fecises, piss, glue and purple dye are reported to have been thrown into national socialists group along with others who were either "reporting" on the event or there for other reasons.
heres a vid of non socialist/kkk individuals being attacked and surrounded.
https://youtu.be/kn2WyvtreO4
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What on earth IS the Antifa? I can't even find a reputable news source saying it even exists. It seems to be a fear of the alt-right like that pizza place where Hillary Clinton supposedly trafficked children as sex slaves.
I need facts to respond to!
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
no records I have seen support that.
National socialism is a type/brand of socialism which Germany alone is suggested to have established.
otherwise what statistics did these statists perform?
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You want to unsoup that?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:17:26 PM
What on earth IS the Antifa? I can't even find a reputable news source saying it even exists. It seems to be a fear of the alt-right like that pizza place where Hillary Clinton supposedly trafficked children as sex slaves.
I need facts to respond to!
Oh carp, I just saw Faith Goldy's name on the video. She just makes stuff up. Get more real please!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 07:19:55 PM
You want to unsoup that?
Yeah, that was a Pullet Surprise bit of writing, wasn't it. LOL!
Statists are people who put the state first, and not for the benefit of the people but for the success of the state.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 07:32:37 PM
Statists are people who put the state first, and not for the benefit of the people but for the success of the state.
I'll agree with that. Both The Nazis and the Soviets did that. Your point is?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
I'll agree with that. Both The Nazis and the Soviets did that. Your point is?
That's not socialism.
I started studying WWII the year
Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out. Since then I have had no suggestion that the Nazis were socialists. But maybe another 54 years will do the trick.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 17, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
That's not socialism.
I started studying WWII the year Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out. Since then I have had no suggestion that the Nazis were socialists. But maybe another 54 years will do the trick.
OK, first of all, there are not and have never been actual socialist societies since cities were formed. Socialism would be a great form of government. It just hasn't existed.
Now, that aside, the Nazis WERE socialist in a general way. The government controlled all national production Owned by individual government-approved oligarchs, and the produced goods were provided to the supporters more than the non-supporters.
If you want, I will agree they were a bit more capitalist that the Soviets, but not by a whole lot.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:17:26 PM
What on earth IS the Antifa?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
QuoteAntifa is a far-left militant[2] political movement of autonomous, self-described anti-fascist groups in the United States.[3][4][5] The term is loosely used to refer to anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobia, as well as anarchist and anti-capitalist groups.[6] Unlike the traditional left, the over-riding aim of self-described Antifa groups is to oppose fascism. These groups are usually anti-government and anti-capitalist, and their methodologies are often perceived as more closely aligned with anarchists than the mainstream left.[2]
According to The Economist, the "word Antifa has its roots in Anti-Fascist Action, a name taken up by European political movements in the 1930s" and which was revived in the 1990s, particularly in Germany.[7][8] Peter Beinart writes that "In the late ’80s, left-wing punk fans in the United States began following suit, though they initially called their groups Anti-Racist Action, on the theory that Americans would be more familiar with fighting racism than fascism."[9] Antifa groups are known for militant protest tactics, including property damage and, sometimes, physical violence.[10][11][12][3] Antifa focuses more on fighting far-right ideology than encouraging pro-left policy.[2]
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:54:23 PM
OK, first of all, there are not and have never been actual socialist societies since cities were formed. Socialism would be a great form of government. It just hasn't existed.
Now, that aside, the Nazis WERE socialist in a general way. The government controlled all national production Owned by individual government-approved oligarchs, and the produced goods were provided to the supporters more than the non-supporters.
If you want, I will agree they were a bit more capitalist that the Soviets, but not by a whole lot.
"...in a general way..." Welcome to Waffle House.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:11:17 PM
We were watching different news. I was watching fact-checked news from objective reporters. My guess is that you watch a lot of Fox News.
huh. no. I investigated all videos shown broadcasted on tv. to see more of incidences that occur.
some highlighted past attacks which were in berkeley and elsewhere in california. but when I watched the full videos on youtube. the people wearing masks beating up a guy were antifa, not racists.
on these videos. m80's are thrown into crowds. some attacks were against freelance videographers. most notably a guy hit by a bike lock.
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Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 07:17:26 PM
What on earth IS the Antifa? I can't even find a reputable news source saying it even exists. It seems to be a fear of the alt-right like that pizza place where Hillary Clinton supposedly trafficked children as sex slaves.
I need facts to respond to!
if you are serious, its sad.
search the name in youtube. recorded evidence.
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All I see is vandalism and butthurt media and people. The only point I see is confederate worship is totally outdated.
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DA - Clinton worship in a feminist version of a Mao suit ... is much more Progressive. Classic KKK is 1920s. My grandfather and his father were members. And no, it wasn't just like Rotary Club.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 18, 2017, 05:43:07 AM
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Vandalism ... puts anyone right up with the Hun and Mongol. But sociopaths do that.
QuoteThey are a fringe, a smaller group of bigots.
Who happen to have a supporter in the most powerful seat in the world.
Tell me again, what major powers do the far-left hold again? Oh, right... that one youtube channel that annoyed you. Basically the same thing, when you think about it.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 18, 2017, 05:46:24 AM
Who happen to have a supporter in the most powerful seat in the world.
Tell me again, what major powers do the far-left hold again? Oh, right... that one youtube channel that annoyed you. Basically the same thing, when you think about it.
But but ... I was told he was a Russian stooge, the very spawn of Stalin himself! Of course, a blowhard like him will never do the smart thing, and just shut up, and stop tweeting too. But no ... no Gary Johnson for you.
And yes, the Far Left is pathetic, at least most of the time. Sociopathic dreamers. The default position of the human race is conservative. And all modern societies are totalitarian aka fascist. The status quo people are sociopathic killers, they don't live in mom's basement.
Seems that America wants to erase its history.
Why? Why so much hatred of the past? Who is driving this madness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhS-abssY4
Moving Confederate statues from pedestals to museums is the proper thing to do.
Quote from: Atheon on August 18, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
Moving Confederate statues from pedestals to museums is the proper thing to do.
So long as they remain away from the public eye in the basement of the museum.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 18, 2017, 12:33:41 PM
So long as they remain away from the public eye in the basement of the museum.
Ah, you lack subtly. Have the statues on display, with the more accurate history of the person shown available. Have a wall chart that shows "popular image vs. reality".
Quote from: pr126 on August 18, 2017, 12:16:24 PM
Seems that America wants to erase its history.
Why? Why so much hatred of the past? Who is driving this madness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhS-abssY4
Fluoride. Also residual effects of burning leaded gasoline for decades. This is what happens when there is no "national Kevorkian" to put your country out of its misery .. so unassisted suicide it is ;-(
Quote from: Sorginak on August 18, 2017, 12:33:41 PM
So long as they remain away from the public eye in the basement of the museum.
Good place to put all the political statuary .. Democrats in particular, trigger the genocidal reflex in me. Stop it already!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 18, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Ah, you lack subtly. Have the statues on display, with the more accurate history of the person shown available. Have a wall chart that shows "popular image vs. reality".
The purpose of education is to propagandize the youth. So are you a Red ant or a Black ant?
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
The purpose of education is to propagandize the youth. So are you a Red ant or a Black ant?
I thought it was to churn out factory workers.
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2017, 01:01:01 PM
The purpose of education is to propagandize the youth. So are you a Red ant or a Black ant?
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Tearing down the past because the current generation is offended by it will never learn from said past.
Quote from: Munch on August 18, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.
Ironically, that phrase is quite inaccurate due to the fact that people are continually repeating mistakes others made in the past.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 18, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
Ironically, that phrase is quite inaccurate due to the fact that people are continually repeating mistakes others made in the past.
Yeah, they didn't learn from the past, so they repeat the mistakes of the past.
Your turn to be redundant.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 18, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
I thought it was to churn out factory workers.
No longer necessary.
Quote from: Munch on August 18, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Tearing down the past because the current generation is offended by it will never learn from said past.
The adult diaper makers are making a mint. So when are y'all going to trash Britain over the Wars of the Roses?
What is Antifa?: Antifa Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td-lor1xQ3I
argument ad cartoonum.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 19, 2017, 01:14:51 PM
argument ad cartoonum.
So you support remnants of 1930s, 1960s street communism? The Reds need to be exterminated ... they keep breeding ... you can't just kill a few, you have to kill the whole nest of termites ;-) So which side, as a historian, do you support in the 1930s Spanish Civil War? Not Franco surely. But there were also both Communists (supported weakly by Stalin) and Anarchists (exterminated by both the other parties). "Fifth Column" is a phrase invented in the Spanish Civil War .. are you down with that?
Quote from: Munch on August 18, 2017, 04:31:15 PM
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Tearing down the past because the current generation is offended by it will never learn from said past.
Frankly, I don't think a Scot has a place to tell Americans how to deal with their own fucked up parts of history. How many statues to King so-and-so who slaughtered Scots fighting for independence do y'all have?
Statues are not, and have never been, about teaching history. They are propaganda, pure and simple... to show victories, to establish lineage to former rulers, and so on. And that's perfectly fine, but don't ass around and act like they are there to teach accurate history when the very men who put them up said otherwise.
The Confederate state lost. The American state has every right to tear down any monument to traitors it so pleases, and as both an American and a southerner I have every right to support it in doing so. More right than someone bitching overseas that a monument to white supremacy is being torn down anyways because his losing ideology is throwing a hissy fit.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 18, 2017, 05:43:07 AM
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I didnt know that statue held historical significants at that time.
if you may help explain, how are people expressing a revolt from (dictatorship) and change of govt. in 1776 relates to todays crowd not altering past or present in terms of events or govt.?
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Quote from: Shiranu on August 19, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
Frankly, I don't think a Scot has a place to tell Americans how to deal with their own fucked up parts of history. How many statues to King so-and-so who slaughtered Scots fighting for independence do y'all have?
Statues are not, and have never been, about teaching history. They are propaganda, pure and simple... to show victories, to establish lineage to former rulers, and so on. And that's perfectly fine, but don't ass around and act like they are there to teach accurate history when the very men who put them up said otherwise.
The Confederate state lost. The American state has every right to tear down any monument to traitors it so pleases, and as both an American and a southerner I have every right to support it in doing so. More right than someone bitching overseas that a monument to white supremacy is being torn down anyways because his losing ideology is throwing a hissy fit.
Which is why the US is breaking into 50 must less powerful states (we don't like your F'ing state telling our state what to do (see California this time, not Alabama). Of course this will make it much easier for our Chinese overlords to move in.
Quote from: randomvim on August 17, 2017, 10:33:25 PM
huh. no. I investigated all videos shown broadcasted on tv. to see more of incidences that occur.
some highlighted past attacks which were in berkeley and elsewhere in california. but when I watched the full videos on youtube. the people wearing masks beating up a guy were antifa, not racists.
on these videos. m80's are thrown into crowds. some attacks were against freelance videographers. most notably a guy hit by a bike lock.
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Oh yes, You tube is a really trustable source, how foolish of me not to have thought of THAT. LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 02:15:22 AM
Oh yes, You tube is a really trustable source, how foolish of me not to have thought of THAT. LOL!
I am sure you trust CNN and MSNBC like gospel ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 08:56:42 AM
I am sure you trust CNN and MSNBC like gospel ;-)
You're off my ignore list. You are less crazy than the Moslems joining... Any port in a storm, I suppose.
See, you have to use the term "gospel" for channels I like to watch. That's what annoys me about you. When MSNBC makes a claim, they provide date/time/location and show video. Faux just makes claims.
If I have to talk to someone frequently, your not the worst.
Yes, CNN is cool. No fake news. Trust them always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB4RelW5M-c
And the hard right is guilty of this far more often. Your sources are renowned liars. Live with that.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 02:15:22 AM
Oh yes, You tube is a really trustable source, how foolish of me not to have thought of THAT. LOL!
yeah i know. nobody thinks that videos posted can actually be authenticated or tested to see if they are edited. however a livestream is pretty hard to falsify.
but hey. if you dont want investigate. thats your choice. good for you to relly on 10 seconds of an edited clip to show exactly what someone else wanted to show you
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Quote from: randomvim on August 20, 2017, 12:55:32 PM
yeah i know. nobody thinks that videos posted can actually be authenticated or tested to see if they are edited. however a livestream is pretty hard to falsify.
but hey. if you dont want investigate. thats your choice. good for you to relly on 10 seconds of an edited clip to show exactly what someone else wanted to show you
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A livestream shows only what some one wants to show. Reputable reporters show everything.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 12:58:37 PM
A livestream shows only what some one wants to show. Reputable reporters show everything.
kinda hard to show only one aspect of a brawl when you cant control the strangers who act on their own control.
thats how you can see the bottles and balloons of piss. the rocks that fly and fists to continue hate.
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Quote from: randomvim on August 20, 2017, 03:14:02 PM
kinda hard to show only one aspect of a brawl when you cant control the strangers who act on their own control.
thats how you can see the bottles and balloons of piss. the rocks that fly and fists to continue hate.
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True, but someone decided where the camera was aimed.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:16:24 PM
True, but someone decided where the camera was aimed.
conflict is atractive. true for any medium.
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Quote from: randomvim on August 20, 2017, 03:32:19 PM
conflict is atractive. true for any medium.
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No news is good news except bad news. I am hoping the news won't get any better ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:35:03 PM
No news is good news except bad news. I am hoping the news won't get any better ;-(
And for most news sources, bad news is good news...
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:41:21 PM
And for most news sources, bad news is good news...
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
♫ We need Dirty Laura! ♫
(You had to know her.)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 20, 2017, 03:52:08 PM
♫ We need Dirty Laura! ♫
(You had to know her.)
Ah Laura, we hardlly knew ya...But you were a sturdy ole gal...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:56:48 PM
Ah Laura, we hardlly knew ya...But you were a sturdy ole gal...
Oral Laura, a special memory from high school. She could suck-start a Harley.
So I am to gather that oral sex vandalizes the USA. Good to know.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 20, 2017, 05:36:54 PM
So I am to gather that oral sex vandalizes the USA. Good to know.
She could rape and pillage with the best of them.
Fuck. Yes. Mayor of New Orleans, one of the brightest people I have heard talk lately. Now that's not a sentence you expect to ever write down.
The left (Marxist) are trying to erase history.
He who controls the past controls the future. - George Orwell, 1984.
Quote from: pr126 on August 23, 2017, 01:16:15 PM
The left (Marxist) are trying to erase history.
He who controls the past controls the future. - George Orwell, 1984.
One more time, dumbass, history is not being erased. Smaller words available if you need them.
History no go-go if statue pull-pull.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
History no go-go if statue pull-pull.
The FUD campaign is all they've got, so they hammer it.
I don't know about you guys, but I have not read a single solitary book without it being introduced by a statue. Without statues I cannot read!
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 23, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I have not read a single solitary book without it being introduced by a statue. Without statues I cannot read!
I know George Washington patrolled the frontier with hordes of statues. All veterans, too!
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 23, 2017, 04:29:24 PM
I don't know about you guys, but I have not read a single solitary book without it being introduced by a statue. Without statues I cannot read!
SJWs will burn books, they haven't gotten permission from the Deep State yet. Gotta have a burn permit. In fact, putting everything on the Internet, is destroying books much faster than just burning them. This will allow Newspeak to arrive much faster. And yes, SJWs are fascists ... claiming to be anti-fascist. Book burners are fascists ... just wait a bit. Paper manufacture causes global warming, and allows NRA to advertise, so gotta end paper manufacture. They are well ahead of the curve on this, in Venezuela.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 23, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
I know George Washington patrolled the frontier with hordes of statues. All veterans, too!
genghis kan conquered China with a horde of terakata statues
Quote from: fencerider on August 23, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
genghis kan conquered China with a horde of terakata statues
I've never seen that spelling. Thanks.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 20, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Oral Laura, a special memory from high school. She could suck-start a Harley.
And you didn't marry her WHY?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
I've never seen that spelling. Thanks.
Actually Shi Huang Di ... first Emperor of China. The Mongols don't bother with sissy terracotta statues.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2017, 06:51:01 AM
I've never seen that spelling. Thanks.
Some terracotta statues Khan and some Kant!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 05:47:28 AM
And you didn't marry her WHY?
She was pregnant before I left for the Navy. Had three kids in four years, never got married.
Maybe she was pining for me...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:43:03 PM
Some terracotta statues Khan and some Kant!
I've seen the warriors up close. The Chinese tourist commission in Hong Kong had them on display last time I was there. (Pre-take over days.)
Quote from: Shiranu on August 23, 2017, 02:05:46 PM
History no go-go if statue pull-pull.
The funny thing is that I'm not entirely sure those words are small enough. Is it possible to make a sentence with only one letter words?
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 26, 2017, 09:17:31 PM
The funny thing is that I'm not entirely sure those words are small enough. Is it possible to make a sentence with only one letter words?
F U.
Quote from: pr126 on August 15, 2017, 10:12:06 AM
I do not have any Nazi friends.
That's what a lot of nazis say.
Quote from: Munch on August 15, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Both the neo nazis and the far left and fucking vandals, both groups can fuck off since their both extreme sides of the same coin.
Uh. no.
Quote from: pr126 on August 23, 2017, 01:16:15 PM
The left (Marxist) are trying to erase history.
He who controls the past controls the future. - George Orwell, 1984.
Oh cool you quoted 1984, so hip.
Got anything of any weight to your bullshit and detached from reality worldview?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 26, 2017, 09:34:55 PM
That's what a lot of nazis say.
To be fair, it might be difficult to make any friends at all as a nazi.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 26, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
To be fair, it might be difficult to make any friends at all as a nazi.
Their loss.
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Quote from: Hydra009 on August 26, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
To be fair, it might be difficult to make any friends at all as a nazi.
If I knew one, I wouldn't spend any free time with them, too crazy and too dangerous. I have known a few gun nuts who came close.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 26, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
To be fair, it might be difficult to make any friends at all as a nazi.
Russell Crowe?
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:33:39 AM
Actually Shi Huang Di ... first Emperor of China. The Mongols don't bother with sissy terracotta statues.
DIDN'T. Not DON'T. There is a difference...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 02:02:54 AM
DIDN'T. Not DON'T. There is a difference...
The Mongols are still around, waiting for their comeback tour ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 07:14:32 AM
The Mongols are still around, waiting for their comeback tour ;-(
Right. Once they stop getting killed in China. C'mon Burach, you know the mongol are dead and gone as any influence. Like the Romans and Persians... LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Right. Once they stop getting killed in China. C'mon Burach, you know the mongol are dead and gone as any influence. Like the Romans and Persians... LOL!
Says someone who writes with Roman letters, and wears Persian pants!
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
Says someone who writes with Roman letters, and wears Persian pants!
My pants are NOT either fluffy or solid color. I am offended! I like camo.