A newish political quiz that scores you on 4 different axes: equality/markets, nation/world, liberty/authority, and tradition/progress. It's a relatively short quiz (10-15 minutes) and some of the questions strike as me a bit of push polling, but all in all, pretty good.
Take the quiz here (https://8values.github.io/)
My results:
(https://i.imgur.com/QXmBMJE.png?1)
Libertarian socialist?! What a combo!
As defined by wiki: "a group of anti-authoritarian political philosophies inside the socialist movement that rejects socialism as centralized state ownership and control of the economy, as well as the state itself. It is close to and overlaps with left-libertarianism" (which stresses both individual freedom and social equality)
Eh, not terribly far from the mark. Less hammer and sickle, more gay marriage and EPA. Not super radical, imo.
I go to take the quiz and it says it's loading (the first question, I guess), but it doesn't seem to load. I'll try again later.
(https://i.imgur.com/LvB9LPB.png)
Ruh-roh. The Cultural Marxist clearly do a good job. Surprised that my progressive is only at 78%, have the feeling I will be the least progressive here (who posts).
Quote from: Shiranu on August 11, 2017, 10:50:22 PMSurprised that my progressive is only at 78%, have the feeling I will be the least progressive here (who posts).
I answered a lot of those questions with strongly agree / strongly disagree, so my score there might be slightly inflated.
I notice that our scores are otherwise very similar. Internationism/progressivism ftw.
It still won't ask me questions. I checked my popup blocker and it was off, but I think I may have another one working that I downloaded long ago. I can't remember what it was or where I put it, though, and I've been on the computer so much today, that I can barely see straight, so I'm going to bag it for tonight.
And who is the fairest one of all? Snow-Baruch ;-)
Economic - 59.1% Centrist
Diplomatic - 51.6% Moderate
Civil - 49.6% Balanced
Societal - 44.9% Neutral
I am a centrist overall.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 08:56:44 PM
A newish political quiz that scores you on 4 different axes: equality/markets, nation/world, liberty/authority, and tradition/progress. It's a relatively short quiz (10-15 minutes) and some of the questions strike as me a bit of push polling, but all in all, pretty good.
Take the quiz here (https://8values.github.io/)
My results:
(https://i.imgur.com/QXmBMJE.png?1)
Libertarian socialist?! What a combo!
As defined by wiki: "a group of anti-authoritarian political philosophies inside the socialist movement that rejects socialism as centralized state ownership and control of the economy, as well as the state itself. It is close to and overlaps with left-libertarianism" (which stresses both individual freedom and social equality)
Eh, not terribly far from the mark. Less hammer and sickle, more gay marriage and EPA. Not super radical, imo.
If I knew how to capture the image and copy it here, I would. But your results were almost identical to mine. A Libertarian socialist, indeed! What the hell! :)) But fairly accurate for me.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2017, 01:13:09 AM
And who is the fairest one of all? Snow-Baruch ;-)
Economic - 59.1% Centrist
Diplomatic - 51.6% Moderate
Civil - 49.6% Balanced
Societal - 44.9% Neutral
I am a centrist overall.
I wish there was a way to see what people polled on; would be interested to see what sets people so far apart other than the final numbers.
Economic: Socialist 76.8%
Diplomatic: Internationalist 84.6%
Civil: Libertarian 80.8%
Social: Very Progressive 86.2%
Closest Match: Libertarian Socialism
Quelle surprise! I'm in favor of human advancement, freedom, and equality for all. Down with Fascists, Commies, Republicans, and other dictatorial types!
Mine:
(http://EconomicAxis:Social%3Cbr/%3E61.0%%3Cbr/%3E39.0%%3Cbr/%3EDiplomaticAxis:Balanced%3Cbr/%3E42.0%%3Cbr/%3E58.0%%3Cbr/%3ECivilAxis:Moderate%3Cbr/%3E55.8%%3Cbr/%3E44.2%%3Cbr/%3ESocietalAxis:Progressive%3Cbr/%3E34.8%%3Cbr/%3E65.2%)
I googled for help with the page. This is what I got, so I'm giving up on this quiz:
Quote1 Answer
I tracked this down to an incompatibility between the self-signed certificate, which was using SHA512, and TLS. Changing the certificate to use SHA256 resolved the issue. The reason for the failure on one VM vs another was a registry setting, which dictated whether or not to support SHA512. The succeeding machine supported 512.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2017, 01:54:00 AM
I wish there was a way to see what people polled on; would be interested to see what sets people so far apart other than the final numbers.
Someone guessed earlier in the string. If you make a lot of Hell Yes and Hell No answers ... then you will get something more interesting than Centrist. So lets reason about it ... there are 4 categories, which can be extreme one way or another, that would make 2x2x2x2 options or 16. And add in centrism (neutrality on all fronts). But like any category calculator, you could probably figure out a way to confuse it, by responding in very inconsistent extremes. Probably not all 16 are regular political categories.
Hey it took some real effort to show my results as a graph! I want some acknowledgement for that.
BTW, there is a pattern.
Majority left, right, left. right...
Looking at the outcomes posted so far, and knowing those who managed to take the quiz, it almost seems like the quiz was designed with the ulterior motivation to show that everyone is the same, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be socialists, capitalists, theocrats, right wing, or left. It reminds me of those Conservative Tea Party protestors holding up signs reading, "Keep Your Hands Off My Social Security."
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:03:03 AM
Looking at the outcomes posted so far, and knowing those who managed to take the quiz, it almost seems like the quiz was designed with the ulterior motivation to show that everyone is the same, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be socialists, capitalists, theocrats, right wing, or left. It reminds me of those Conservative Tea Party protestors holding up signs reading, "Keep Your Hands Off My Social Security."
Well, more accurately, it says that atheists have similar views.
I can't seem to copy the image's address, so:
Economic axis: Social - 64.6% equality
Diplomatic axis: Peaceful - 70.7% world
Civil axis: Liberal - 69.2% liberty
Societal axis: Very progressive - 79.9% progress
Overall result: Social Liberalism
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:03:03 AM
Looking at the outcomes posted so far, and knowing those who managed to take the quiz, it almost seems like the quiz was designed with the ulterior motivation to show that everyone is the same, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be socialists, capitalists, theocrats, right wing, or left. It reminds me of those Conservative Tea Party protestors holding up signs reading, "Keep Your Hands Off My Social Security."
Let's get a Conservative Christian to take the quiz and see how similar it is. I'm willing to bet their results would be pretty much the polar opposite, putting more emphasis on the rights of big businesses to suck people dry, go to war with all the evil Muslim countries, force their religious beliefs on everyone else via the government, and to reverse social progress as much as possible.
(https://puu.sh/x8kCP.png)
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=82.9&d=72.3&g=71.2&s=87.8
Yeah we all seem to follow a pattern. We need a real crazy theist. Hey Ibn, you still here?
Too the quiz again, but with the viewpoint of the typical US christian.
Scored:
Markets 82.3
Nation 83.5
Authority 82.7
Tradition 84.5
Capitalist Fascism
This is what I think a typical Trump follower would score.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Too the quiz again, but with the viewpoint of the typical US christian.
Scored:
Markets 82.3
Nation 83.5
Authority 82.7
Tradition 84.5
Capitalist Fascism
This is what I think a typical Trump follower would score.
Oh well, I could take the test to arrive at any ideology I wanted too. I only care what people here honestly score.
But we COULD discuss the possible outcomes and why they mean when arrived at.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
Oh well, I could take the test to arrive at any ideology I wanted too. I only care what people here honestly score.
But we COULD discuss the possible outcomes and why they mean when arrived at.
I would also like to see a dyed-in-the-wool theist would score. But I just wanted to see what my polar opposite would look like.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Too the quiz again, but with the viewpoint of the typical US christian.
Scored:
Markets 82.3
Nation 83.5
Authority 82.7
Tradition 84.5
Capitalist Fascism
This is what I think a typical Trump follower would score.
Sorry fake poll is fake news ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
I would also like to see a dyed-in-the-wool theist would score. But I just wanted to see what my polar opposite would look like.
You did. But because I don't follow stereotype, I don't count ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:03:03 AM
Looking at the outcomes posted so far, and knowing those who managed to take the quiz, it almost seems like the quiz was designed with the ulterior motivation to show that everyone is the same, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be socialists, capitalists, theocrats, right wing, or left. It reminds me of those Conservative Tea Party protestors holding up signs reading, "Keep Your Hands Off My Social Security."
Everyone is the same ... same ape men. But Pr126 might score different from the majority here. I am not surprised at my results, but it is causing the biased to ignore it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:50:23 PM
I would also like to see a dyed-in-the-wool theist would score. But I just wanted to see what my polar opposite would look like.
I appreciate your idea, but can any of us really be our polar opposite? Surely there is some double-thinking involved. I had enough trouble being honest, never mind thinking what "not me" would answer...
"I had enough trouble being honest" ... never a good sign. Hope you get well soon.
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=91.5&d=73.4&g=90.8&s=91.4
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on August 12, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=91.5&d=73.4&g=90.8&s=91.4
I google translated it and see all the words, but I don't understand the meaning. I'll accept some elucidation.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:31:35 PM
I google translated it and see all the words, but I don't understand the meaning. I'll accept some elucidation.
It's a link
It's a band, KMFDM.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2017, 03:55:02 PM
You did. But because I don't follow stereotype, I don't count ;-)
True. Glad you noticed.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2017, 03:53:58 PM
Sorry fake poll is fake news ;-)
Is fake commentary on fake poll fake as well?
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Too the quiz again, but with the viewpoint of the typical US christian.
Scored:
Markets 82.3
Nation 83.5
Authority 82.7
Tradition 84.5
Capitalist Fascism
This is what I think a typical Trump follower would score.
I could try to rewind my brain to the time before I came to my senses. Since it wasn't that long ago that my god glasses came off, I could take a crack at putting them back on for five minutes.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 13, 2017, 12:21:31 AM
I could try to rewind my brain to the time before I came to my senses. Since it wasn't that long ago that my god glasses came off, I could take a crack at putting them back on for five minutes.
I was trying to do that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 12:30:12 AM
I was trying to do that.
So you were in the Hitler Youth, in your youth ;-(
With my god glasses on, I got Right-Wing Populism. I don't know what that means, but here are my axes:
Economic: Market - 64.6% markets
Diplomatic: Patriotic - 73.4% nation
Civil: Statist - 68.8% authority
Societal: Traditional - 73.9% tradition
Looking back at my original results, my position on the economic axis flipped exactly to the opposite, from 64.6% markets to 64.6% equality. This makes sense. When I was a Christian, I believed that the government was chocking the economy, and that the less the governmental regulation the better. I also believed that in the world, there were winners and losers, and trying to make losers equal to winners would just make everyone losers.
I never really felt very patriotic, though, so I'm surprised by the result I got this time. I was loyal to God first, and my nation barely factored into that. I may have believed that my country was the best available option, but I didn't think ours was that great either. And I didn't have hope that the nation would improve, since the Bible basically says that the world would becoming completely depraved by the time Jesus came back. Our nation was turning against God, and nothing we could do would stop prophecy from coming true. Now, I still think America sucks, but for different reasons. We're just playing catch up to the older, more secular nations.
On the civil axis, I've flipped on that one as well. I used to believe that religion had every right to be in politics. So long as the religious vote outnumbered the secular vote, that was the will of the people. This meant that it was a Christian's duty to vote according to Biblical principles, to keep the nations policies consistent with God's higher moral standards. Now I want religion GTFO of politics and stop shoving their beliefs down everyone else's throats.
This ties into the social axis as well. I saw "progress" as an affront to God that should be resisted. Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, abortions, all of things were immoral and should be made outlawed. Now I say that if you don't think two people of the same sex should be married, don't marry someone who is your sex. As for everyone else, we do not have to live out lives around anyone's beliefs.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
Too the quiz again, but with the viewpoint of the typical US christian.
Scored:
Markets 82.3
Nation 83.5
Authority 82.7
Tradition 84.5
Capitalist Fascism
This is what I think a typical Trump follower would score.
I was a thread over at r/the_Donald and one of them got nazi. This fact was supposed to show that the test was bad but I dunno...
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 13, 2017, 01:06:24 AM
With my god glasses on, I got Right-Wing Populism. I don't know what that means, but here are my axes:
Economic: Market - 64.6% markets
Diplomatic: Patriotic - 73.4% nation
Civil: Statist - 68.8% authority
Societal: Traditional - 73.9% tradition
Looking back at my original results, my position on the economic axis flipped exactly to the opposite, from 64.6% markets to 64.6% equality. This makes sense. When I was a Christian, I believed that the government was chocking the economy, and that the less the governmental regulation the better. I also believed that in the world, there were winners and losers, and trying to make losers equal to winners would just make everyone losers.
I never really felt very patriotic, though, so I'm surprised by the result I got this time. I was loyal to God first, and my nation barely factored into that. I may have believed that my country was the best available option, but I didn't think ours was that great either. And I didn't have hope that the nation would improve, since the Bible basically says that the world would becoming completely depraved by the time Jesus came back. Our nation was turning against God, and nothing we could do would stop prophecy from coming true. Now, I still think America sucks, but for different reasons. We're just playing catch up to the older, more secular nations.
On the civil axis, I've flipped on that one as well. I used to believe that religion had every right to be in politics. So long as the religious vote outnumbered the secular vote, that was the will of the people. This meant that it was a Christian's duty to vote according to Biblical principles, to keep the nations policies consistent with God's higher moral standards. Now I want religion GTFO of politics and stop shoving their beliefs down everyone else's throats.
This ties into the social axis as well. I saw "progress" as an affront to God that should be resisted. Homosexuality, same-sex marriage, abortions, all of things were immoral and should be made outlawed. Now I say that if you don't think two people of the same sex should be married, don't marry someone who is your sex. As for everyone else, we do not have to live out lives around anyone's beliefs.
Well, you described your former life as rather Protestant Fundie ... so this shouldn't come as a surprise, that at least in terms of typical American serious religious POV, you scored that way (the second time as an experiment).
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 13, 2017, 05:25:37 AM
I was a thread over at r/the_Donald and one of them got nazi. This fact was supposed to show that the test was bad but I dunno...
Sounds accurate to me.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 13, 2017, 10:03:48 AM
Sounds accurate to me.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCA8WQWXcAEDSp8.jpg)
In 1940 half the US was anti-Semite. Germany came to the US to study euthanasia programs in the 30s. That is just the way it was ... and mostly still is. Choose a different planet next time you reincarnate.
Don't forget the US Civil War. Trump's most dedicated followers still think they were right 150 years after.
Personally, I think every statue of every traitorous Confederate should be taken down and melted in something worthwhile. Like metal blocks to be dropped into deep sea beds. They were traitors and should be considered only as such.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 14, 2017, 01:14:24 AM
Don't forget the US Civil War. Trump's most dedicated followers still think they were right 150 years after.
Personally, I think every statue of every traitorous Confederate should be taken down and melted in something worthwhile. Like metal blocks to be dropped into deep sea beds. They were traitors and should be considered only as such.
General Sherman thought so, but hated Blacks, and admired the Southern lifestyle. President Lincoln didn't think so. So has your fur been mouldering in the grave long, Mr John Brown? So you are another self righteous holy warrior?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 14, 2017, 01:14:24 AM
Don't forget the US Civil War. Trump's most dedicated followers still think they were right 150 years after.
Personally, I think every statue of every traitorous Confederate should be taken down and melted in something worthwhile. Like metal blocks to be dropped into deep sea beds. They were traitors and should be considered only as such.
I think the statues belong in museums. They definitely have no place in government property.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 14, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
I think the statues belong in museums. They definitely have no place in government property.
The statues do have some historical value, I suppose. But the civil war was about slavery. And these heroes were using their skills, admirable as they were, to promote something wretched that was the cause of much human suffering. I can tolerate such statues, but I think they are a poor reflection on the South, as they suggest the heroes were fighting for a glorious cause, which they were not.
I can't say I fully understand why the statues are important to some people. I understand their importance to White Supremacy groups, but I don't know what they mean to average Southerners. I would hate to think it's because these people are pissed off that they can no longer own other people and treat them like animals.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2017, 09:10:06 PM
In 1940 half the US was anti-Semite. Germany came to the US to study euthanasia programs in the 30s. That is just the way it was ... and mostly still is. Choose a different planet next time you reincarnate.
I saw parts of a TV documentary (the latter half) about the eugenics programs that originated in the U.S., at the turn of the 19th-20th century. Germany, UK, and Scandinavia adopted the eugenics programs of the U.S., which we had a quite a big fight over.
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
I can't say I fully understand why the statues are important to some people. I understand their importance to White Supremacy groups, but I don't know what they mean to average Southerners. I would hate to think it's because these people are pissed off that they can no longer own other people and treat them like animals.
I have often wondered what the average Southerner was fighting for in the Civil War itself. They did not, for the most part, own any slaves. But they fought for the wealthy few to own them? Sort of like they seem to fight for the right of the 1% to maintain, and grow, their wealth.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 12:03:43 PM
I have often wondered what the average Southerner was fighting for in the Civil War itself. They did not, for the most part, own any slaves. But they fought for the wealthy few to own them? Sort of like they seem to fight for the right of the 1% to maintain, and grow, their wealth.
I think that was the case. I saw a scene in a movie once where one Southern private said to another, "We are getting killed so the wealthy plantation owners can continue to own slaves. I don't know how typical that was of the fighting men, but there are always solders doing their job, because it is their job, without a vested interest in the cause. We saw this in Vietnam, where most of the guys dying were drafted and had no choice.
(http://i.imgur.com/kz7OIxN.png)
I agree with the label 'social liberal', and have referred to myself as such in the past.
Having said that, I am not a big fan of these tests. They lack the necessary nuance. You can agree or disagree with some questions, depending on context and situation. Not sure how much those affect the outcome of the quiz.. but there's that.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 12:03:43 PM
I have often wondered what the average Southerner was fighting for in the Civil War itself. They did not, for the most part, own any slaves. But they fought for the wealthy few to own them? Sort of like they seem to fight for the right of the 1% to maintain, and grow, their wealth.
First they hated damn Yankees for being condescending. Then they hated damn Yankees for being destructive murderers. The holier-than-thou attitude, and later behavior of the Yankees, trumped any feeling they had about Southern class systems. So a proper poor Southerner ... should have been Marxist?
Another thing, many Southerners were from Celtic tribes (Irish, Welsh, Scottish) and they hated anything named .. New England.
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
The statues do have some historical value, I suppose. But the civil war was about slavery. And these heroes were using their skills, admirable as they were, to promote something wretched that was the cause of much human suffering. I can tolerate such statues, but I think they are a poor reflection on the South, as they suggest the heroes were fighting for a glorious cause, which they were not.
I can't say I fully understand why the statues are important to some people. I understand their importance to White Supremacy groups, but I don't know what they mean to average Southerners. I would hate to think it's because these people are pissed off that they can no longer own other people and treat them like animals.
The way that Yankees seem to think, that if you are the right of Lenin, then you are KKK. There are many kinds of slavery ... including the wage and debt slavery that the Yankees prefer. Personally I don't approve of chattel slavery ... but then I don't approve of ape people much.
Actually no American monument should be allowed to stand ... because Native Americans. When are you Progressives going to all go back to the EU where you belong?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 14, 2017, 01:14:24 AM
Don't forget the US Civil War. Trump's most dedicated followers still think they were right 150 years after.
Personally, I think every statue of every traitorous Confederate should be taken down and melted in something worthwhile. Like metal blocks to be dropped into deep sea beds. They were traitors and should be considered only as such.
And the Brits would have you drawn and quartered .. Huzzah! Speaking of traitors ...
I don't have time to take the quiz, but I don't need a quiz to tell me that I'm about as far left as it's possible to be. If I have more time next time, maybe I'll do it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 14, 2017, 03:52:58 PM
I don't have time to take the quiz, but I don't need a quiz to tell me that I'm about as far left as it's possible to be. If I have more time next time, maybe I'll do it.
Looking forward to what the quiz thinks of what you mean by Left ;-)
I took that one, the foreign policy axis annoyed me. Either one believes the US should submit to other nations, or should enforce its will by force on other nations. "I leave you alone you leave me alone" was left out of the options, either nationalism or internationalism. I scored about halfway on that spectrum for rejecting that the UN rule the US and rejecting that the US rule whoever the US wants.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on August 14, 2017, 10:56:22 PM
I took that one, the foreign policy axis annoyed me. Either one believes the US should submit to other nations, or should enforce its will by force on other nations. "I leave you alone you leave me alone" was left out of the options, either nationalism or internationalism. I scored about halfway on that spectrum for rejecting that the UN rule the US and rejecting that the US rule whoever the US wants.
Exactly how I got the same result on foreign policy. The idea that the world can only be, nuclear armed junk yard dogs ... or a kennel run by foreign animal control officers ... is too limiting.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 12:03:43 PM
I have often wondered what the average Southerner was fighting for in the Civil War itself. They did not, for the most part, own any slaves. But they fought for the wealthy few to own them? Sort of like they seem to fight for the right of the 1% to maintain, and grow, their wealth.
If you see someone displaying the Confederate flag, you can be certain they're white supremacists. You actually don't see them too often in the part of Texas I live in, but the flag is a very common sight in North Carolina.
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 10:23:44 AM
The statues do have some historical value, I suppose. But the civil war was about slavery. And these heroes were using their skills, admirable as they were, to promote something wretched that was the cause of much human suffering. I can tolerate such statues, but I think they are a poor reflection on the South, as they suggest the heroes were fighting for a glorious cause, which they were not.
I can't say I fully understand why the statues are important to some people. I understand their importance to White Supremacy groups, but I don't know what they mean to average Southerners. I would hate to think it's because these people are pissed off that they can no longer own other people and treat them like animals.
I don't think the average Southerner really cares one way or another. White supremacist groups are the ones who are trying to protect them. Some try to justify it as "part of our history." And that's true. But it was the wrong side of history. They did not die for an honorable cause, so they do not deserve memorials in their honor.
Ron Owens, on KGO, pointed out this morning that: Washington had over 300 slaves, so should we scrub him from our money, knock down his statues, etc.?
I couldn't call in, but if I had I'd have pointed out that Washington wasn't a traitor to his country, whereas Lee certainly was, indeed, a traitor, and so shouldn't be honored at all.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2017, 03:13:49 PM
Ron Owens, on KGO, pointed out this morning that: Washington had over 300 slaves, so should we scrub him from our money, knock down his statues, etc.?
I couldn't call in, but if I had I'd have pointed out that Washington wasn't a traitor to his country, whereas Lee certainly was, indeed, a traitor, and so shouldn't be honored at all.
Exactly. Washington may not have been perfect, but he didn't fight for the right to own slaves. He fought to liberate America from its English rulers who didn't give a damn about their needs. That is what he is remembered for. As well as being the first President of the country.
Closest Match: Libertarian Communism
(http://i.imgur.com/462OkQN.png)
Quote from: Baruch on August 14, 2017, 06:14:11 PM
Looking forward to what the quiz thinks of what you mean by Left ;-)
Well, I took a quiz several years ago to see what politician I lined up with the closest, and I matched closest with Dennis Kucinich - 100%. I guess you could call that "left."
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Well, I took a quiz several years ago to see what politician I lined up with the closest, and I matched closest with Dennis Kucinich - 100%. I guess you could call that "left."
But ... but ... he later joined Fox News and the Ron Paul organization. Chameleon?
equality 65.2 34.8 market
nation 46.3 53.7 world
liberty 55.8 44.2 authority
tradition 38.8 60.2 progress
social liberalism
I had a few I dont knows on that quiz. We can't forget the bias of the people that made the test. The way they worded the questions shows the bias of the test.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 15, 2017, 03:13:49 PM
Ron Owens, on KGO, pointed out this morning that: Washington had over 300 slaves, so should we scrub him from our money, knock down his statues, etc.?
I couldn't call in, but if I had I'd have pointed out that Washington wasn't a traitor to his country, whereas Lee certainly was, indeed, a traitor, and so shouldn't be honored at all.
Washington was a traitor, so were the rest of that bunch. Draw and quarter them (joke about Washington). So ... Civil War isn't over, the damn Yankees want to march thru Georgia again? FU Yankees. Very few Southern folk owned slaves. Self righteous Yankees ... funded the slave trade (NY banks).
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 15, 2017, 03:49:24 PM
Exactly. Washington may not have been perfect, but he didn't fight for the right to own slaves. He fought to liberate America from its English rulers who didn't give a damn about their needs. That is what he is remembered for. As well as being the first President of the country.
Bull shit ... is that you ... Bishop Weems?
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2017, 06:19:33 AM
Washington was a traitor, so were the rest of that bunch.
Yeah, to the tyrant Brits, but not to
this country (which, admittedly, didn't exist yet).
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 16, 2017, 04:32:47 PM
Yeah, to the tyrant Brits, but not to this country (which, admittedly, didn't exist yet).
In Britain's eyes, since 1913, we haven't been a country ... just an early Commonwealth partner. Like Canada, but with worse beer.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 12:03:43 PM
I have often wondered what the average Southerner was fighting for in the Civil War itself. They did not, for the most part, own any slaves. But they fought for the wealthy few to own them? Sort of like they seem to fight for the right of the 1% to maintain, and grow, their wealth.
They fought for the hopes they would one day own some slaves and get rich. They fought because they afraid of slaves (not used to having money) would work for almost nothing, and the poorest whites fought because the idea of competing with blacks was too disturbing.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:32:57 AM
They fought for the hopes they would one day own some slaves and get rich. They fought because they afraid of slaves (not used to having money) would work for almost nothing, and the poorest whites fought because the idea of competing with blacks was too disturbing.
All Americans think they will get rich. Like Columbus. But it didn't happen. White males are still being ruined by cheap labor of women, H1B etc. It is part of capitalism. Today you don't need slaves ... you have to feed them. But employees ... you don't have to feed them. Yankee scum.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:32:57 AM
They fought for the hopes they would one day own some slaves and get rich. They fought because they afraid of slaves (not used to having money) would work for almost nothing, and the poorest whites fought because the idea of competing with blacks was too disturbing.
I was just watching a Civil War DVD (not Ken Burns') and it emphasised my point about poor Southern Whites fearing free blacks who would work for less pay than the Whites were accustomed to. Which was sure not much.
And I heard some twit on cable news today who claimed that that the only reason the south lost the war was that the North enlisted "100s of thousands of blacks to attack them" I had to laugh at that. The North had 10% 0f the army black at the end of the war and they didn't need them.
The North had so many soldiers they didn't even know what to do with them all in one place. So they sent a lot out west to subdue indian tribes.
Not that that was a good thing, but it does show that the Union didn't need Black soldiers to win the war.
But do read about the travesty of the Battle of The Crater...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 03:32:57 AM
They fought for the hopes they would one day own some slaves and get rich. They fought because they afraid of slaves (not used to having money) would work for almost nothing, and the poorest whites fought because the idea of competing with blacks was too disturbing.
I like those reasons. It has seemed to me that the poor Southerners I've known, many of them wanted to keep the darkies below them--they seemed to feel they could elevate themselves if they could stand on the backs of the colored.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2017, 09:20:30 AM
I like those reasons. It has seemed to me that the poor Southerners I've known, many of them wanted to keep the darkies below them--they seemed to feel they could elevate themselves if they could stand on the backs of the colored.
When you are poor, you want to have someone poorer and more downtrodden to make you feel better about yourself. That is the same today. Do you think any of those neo-Nazis carrying torches, batons, shields, and AK-47s were there because they had SUCCESSFUL lives?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 09:10:34 AM
I was just watching a Civil War DVD (not Ken Burns') and it emphasised my point about poor Southern Whites fearing free blacks who would work for less pay than the Whites were accustomed to. Which was sure not much.
And I heard some twit on cable news today who claimed that that the only reason the south lost the war was that the North enlisted "100s of thousands of blacks to attack them" I had to laugh at that. The North had 10% 0f the army black at the end of the war and they didn't need them.
The North had so many soldiers they didn't even know what to do with them all in one place. So they sent a lot out west to subdue indian tribes.
Not that that was a good thing, but it does show that the Union didn't need Black soldiers to win the war.
But do read about the travesty of the Battle of The Crater...
Gen Grant may not have looked as good in a uniform as Gen McClelland .. but I think President Lincoln liked him, because he was effective at killing soldiers (both his and the opposition). Gen Grant and Gen Sherman both understood that war was wasn't a gave of chess. Gen Stonewall Jackson also understood this, but fortunately for the Union, he died early, just after beating the Union at Chancellorsville. The leadership in the Vietnam War thought they were playing chess.
Black Union soldiers were necessary for morale and political brownie points ;-) I am glad they did.
Decided to come back a year or two later and redo this test, see how it changed... however, the link to the original image is broken, so I don't know how it change :I.
That said, I know I'm definitely more "nationalist" than I was before, and less liberal as well.
equality 69.5% 30.5% market
nation 42% 58% world
liberty 62.7% 37.3% authority
tradition 38.3% 61.7% progress
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2019, 03:59:40 AM
Decided to come back a year or two later and redo this test, see how it changed... however, the link to the original image is broken, so I don't know how it change :I.
That said, I know I'm definitely more "nationalist" than I was before, and less liberal as well.
equality 69.5% 30.5% market
nation 42% 58% world
liberty 62.7% 37.3% authority
tradition 38.3% 61.7% progress
What test? I would be glad to take it and report my results.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 04:04:29 AM
What test? I would be glad to take it and report my results.
https://8values.github.io/
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2019, 04:13:16 AM
https://8values.github.io/
OK. I had
Equality 64.6% Markets 35.4%
Nation 42.0% World 58.0%
Liberty 58.5% Authority 41.5%
Tradition 35.6% Progress 64.4%
Closest Match: Social Liberalism
(https://serving.photos.photobox.com/73785509b3b5302ba12859d5579aa849c359f22a7b65ac7bf6acedd73c77d977bb3fcf9b.jpg)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 13, 2019, 05:46:22 AM
Interesting results. But we disagree by small amounts. So obviously you are an unforgivable fool. ;)