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Title: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 10, 2017, 12:50:05 PM
Okay, happy campers, where are you viewing from, will you have totality, and all?

We just got moved from a park along the Cumberland River to the Nashville Science Museum because the astronomer leading our tour got tapped to be The Weather Channel's local interviewee to explain what's going on (which is pretty easy to explain, really: the moon is getting directly between us and the sun and casting its shadow) for their live coverage.  One hopes we might get on screen too as part of his entourage.  :)

One hopes the Weather Channel's presence is a measure of their confidence of having clear skies.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hydra009 on August 10, 2017, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 10, 2017, 12:50:05 PMOkay, happy campers, where are you viewing from, will you have totality, and all?
Central NC.  Partial eclipse.

I'm excited for the eclipse coming up in May 2078, which will be a total eclipse in central/eastern NC.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 10, 2017, 02:00:51 PM
Central Valley, CA.  But I'll be viewing it from the TV and computer.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2017, 07:44:14 PM
Carbondale, ILL., where NASA is going to party.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Atheon on August 11, 2017, 01:20:30 AM
I'll be reading news reports, since I'm in Taiwan.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 07:14:59 AM
Quote from: Atheon on August 11, 2017, 01:20:30 AM
I'll be reading news reports, since I'm in Taiwan.
There will be live feeds.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 11, 2017, 07:31:25 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 07:14:59 AM
There will be live feeds.

Which is how I'll hopefully be watching since I'll be in Kwajalein.  :sob:
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 11, 2017, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2017, 07:44:14 PM
Carbondale, ILL., where NASA is going to party.
That's also where The Weather Channel is sending Jim Cantore, so keep an eye out for tornado outbreaks, hurricanes, and/or goat-sized hail.  :D
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 09:29:29 AM
I'm going to video the shadow from the south side of a lake. Shadow in the trees, light on the water, and then reverse. But I need a voice-over, a "bring back the Sun, slay the sky monster" kind of thing. So far all I've found is Islamic. :-(
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 11, 2017, 10:33:59 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 09:29:29 AM
I'm going to video the shadow from the south side of a lake. Shadow in the trees, light on the water, and then reverse. But I need a voice-over, a "bring back the Sun, slay the sky monster" kind of thing. So far all I've found is Islamic. :-(

How about some Milton from Paradise Lost, then:

Quote from: John MiltonAs when the Sun, new risen,
Looks through the horizontal misty air,
Shorn of his beams,or from behind the Moon,
In dim eclipse, disastrous twilight sheds
On half the nations, and with fear of change
Perplexes monarchs.

Alternately, some Wordsworth on the 1820 eclipse (http://www.blackcatpoems.com/w/the_eclipse_of_the_sun_1820.html):

Quote from: William Wordsworth
High on her speculative tower
Stood Science waiting for the hour
When Sol was destined to endure
That darkening of his radiant face
Which Superstition strove to chase,
Erewhile, with rites impure.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 10:59:13 AM
Good thoughts!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2017, 07:44:14 PM
Carbondale, ILL., where NASA is going to party.
An avid rail fan friend in Chicago said Amtrak, or maybe it was one of the private rail lines of which there are many in Chicago, offered a $150 round trip special eclipse run to Carbondale leaving before daylight and returning late the same night.  He first discussed it with his son and would be travel partner, who was also interested in going, and by the time he went to buy tickets the entire train had sold out.  This was less than 24 hours after they put the tickets on sale.  Carbondale, with a population of 26,000, is expecting 200,000 visitors.

I've got motel reservations in the path of totality, but I'm considering bagging it.  I will get 90% totality in my back yard, without having to deal with interstate traffic jams, and those are predicted also, but 90% totality doesn't come close to full totality when the lights go out and the stars start to shine. 

I could go either way on this.  From what they are predicting, it sounds the bulk of the US population will temporarily shift to the path of totality and create enough pressure on the surface of the Earth to cause seismic anomalies, sink holes, and reroute the Missouri River basin causing a global shift in the direction of the tectonic plates.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 11, 2017, 09:29:29 AM
I'm going to video the shadow from the south side of a lake. Shadow in the trees, light on the water, and then reverse. But I need a voice-over, a "bring back the Sun, slay the sky monster" kind of thing. So far all I've found is Islamic. :-(
I think a lot of people will get naked and fornicate.  This thing is just getting out of hand.  NPR had a little blurb about people purchasing eclipse supplies and the resultant increase in the sale of pot.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 11, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 01:20:54 PM
I've got motel reservations in the path of totality, but I'm considering bagging it.  I will get 90% totality in my back yard, without having to deal with interstate traffic jams, and those are predicted also, but 90% totality doesn't come close to full totality when the lights go out and the stars start to shine.

Let me just take a moment to urge you to go ahead and go.  Opportunities like this don't come very often, and I would suggest it's better an annoyance in going than a regret for not -- the annoyance will fade, the regret won't.  We're getting 98% totality in 2024, and I'm already making plans to go somewhere where I have a better guarantee of clear skies and in the core of the path (it'll be nearly twice as long as this one).  I could take a city bus to totality in 2024, but that's not good enough.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Unbeliever on August 11, 2017, 04:02:44 PM
I went to an eclipse in 1979, up in Washington state. Got clouded out - but it did get dark, at least. This one I'll just get the partial, and be happy with it.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 11, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
Let me just take a moment to urge you to go ahead and go.  Opportunities like this don't come very often, and I would suggest it's better an annoyance in going than a regret for not -- the annoyance will fade, the regret won't.  We're getting 98% totality in 2024, and I'm already making plans to go somewhere where I have a better guarantee of clear skies and in the core of the path (it'll be nearly twice as long as this one).  I could take a city bus to totality in 2024, but that's not good enough.
I'm still making plans.  I've got a laptop with Streets and Trips with GPS.  Haven't used it for years, and I had to teach myself how to drive with it all over again.  I spent extra time hooking up blue tooth headphones so I could listen to the directions without taking my eyes off the road, and then I rerouted myself around the default route, avoiding interstates when close to major cities.  I actually took 25 miles off the trip total, too.  It will be slower driving on slower roads, but if I avoid an interstate crawl, I will come out ahead and less stressed.  I basically spent the day doing this, so I haven't thrown in the towel by any means.  I'd like to experience totality.  I've seen two other eclipses, but neither total.

I have onboard navigation in the car, but it doesn't lend itself as well to the big picture, and searching for go-arounds.  Also, I drew a long line of totality right on the Streets and Trips map that I'll use, so I can search for a good spot using the map and keeping myself in the center of totality.  I've also used the street views on Google Earth to search for good parking and open rural areas.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 05:38:52 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 11, 2017, 03:59:56 PMLet me just take a moment to urge you to go ahead and go.  Opportunities like this don't come very often, and I would suggest it's better an annoyance in going than a regret for not -- the annoyance will fade, the regret won't.
It's true that it's rare, but imho, these sorts of events might be kinda overblown.  It'll be unusually dark for a while during the day.  Big whoop.  Unless it unleashes some powerful evil entity or makes some newborn baby the chosen one, it's a lot of hoopla with not much of a payoff.

And here's a video to (hopefully) back up my argument.  I'll be honest with you guys, I haven't watched it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNH3akWXaV8
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 05:38:52 PM
Unless it unleashes some powerful evil entity or makes some newborn baby the chosen one,...
I like a man with high standards. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 05:53:32 PM
I like a man with high standards. :biggrin:
It takes at least one emerging dark lord to get me out of bed most days.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 11, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
It takes at least one emerging dark lord to get me out of bed most days.

I'm here.  So get your ass out of bed ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X5HYynP5E

Since the 1960s are back, I thought this appropriate.  But if The Monkey's come back, then it is the Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
The Flat Earthers are having a field day with the eclipse.  I only watched half of this video, because they do manage to pass their confusion on quite well.  I just waited until I thought I understood the mechanics of the eclipse, which in all truth was giving me problems.  It is a confusing set of relationships and fertile ground for those who want to screw with people's minds.  No doubt they will make some converts too, because some people really do like having their minds screwed with.  Even if you still can't figure out what's really going on during an eclipse, you can still go to a cocktail party and challenge people to explain what is hard enough to understand to begin with.

Anyway, here's a case that proves the Earth is flat, and the Lord God is Almighty.  If you don't want to watch this, don't worry.  I'll understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3UHWcKdYXg
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:31:17 AM
I EXPECT the skies will be overcast and I won't see much of anything.  A mere slight darkening and nothing more.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 12, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:31:17 AM
I EXPECT the skies will be overcast and I won't see much of anything.  A mere slight darkening and nothing more.
It will be NIGHT for a while if you're in the path of totality. YMMV
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 07:51:47 AM
Here, the weather pattern currently settling in is overcast skies with one day of sun for the next 8 days.  No one actually knows what the skies will be like 9 days from now, and it's not unusual for such long range forecasts to be wrong, but the current trend is not encouraging.  I would never willingly bet on the weather a week from now, but if I were forced at gun point to bet or die, I'd bet that the eclipse will be a flop at my house.

For those who want to know what the weather in their area will be like on the 21st of August you can go HERE (http://www.weathertab.com/en/).  In fact you can visit this web site to see what your local weather will be on this day a year from now.  So you can be confident that these people are experts in long range forecasting.  And for me their forecast calls for rain on the 21st. 

But the people at this site are very good at what they put their mind to.  I've heard they also offer another website that offers advice on personal relationships.  And on the 21st, I should be open to the possibility of a new friendship that could blossom into romance, which is actually quite encouraging.  But I don't know if this means that I should visit the Path of Totality to find this special person, and if I do, what part of the 3000 mile path do I need to go to?  Oh my!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: chill98 on August 12, 2017, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 11, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
The Flat Earthers are having a field day with the eclipse.  I only watched half of this video, because they do manage to pass their confusion on quite well.  I just waited until I thought I understood the mechanics of the eclipse, which in all truth was giving me problems.  It is a confusing set of relationships and fertile ground for those who want to screw with people's minds.

lol -  I had a good laugh watching this!  Gotta give 'em credit for the effort put into the vid.

So I got curious as to which stars will be visible.  Had to find lat lon here. GPS coords below map:

http://www.latlong.net/

Change the coords, date, time, what you want displayed here:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Yoursky

I have a place to stay on the north edge (about 6 miles inside) the total line.  Home location is maxing out at 80%; but I already experienced that back  in the 70s, so I want the full experience.  We are going down saturday so we have the option of moving location if the weather looks bad, but that will mean no place to stay and winging it. 

Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 09:18:11 AM
For what it's worth, while studying various forecast sites, I've noticed that the moon phase for tonight is "Waning Gibbous."  Good Grief.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
It won't matter.  It will be deeply overcast when it occurs here.  That's just how it works for me.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 12, 2017, 07:43:11 PM
Will the ISS be in position to get some footage?

And, in the spirit of umbras, I give you Rescue Party (https://www.baen.com/Chapters/0743498747/0743498747___1.htm).
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hydra009 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Mom asks if the school can reschedule the eclipse (http://www.boredpanda.com/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse/):

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103d25c78__700.jpg)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103f8c5c5__700.jpg)
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
Turns out the eclipse glasses I bought from Amazon are not certified safe ISO 12312-2.  Amazon advertised them as certified, but it turns out that many of them, perhaps most of the glasses sold by sub sellers do not carry the certification code, and Amazon is refunding the money and not requiring me or anyone else to return the glasses.

But most everything is sold out.  You can still order them and they come with guaranteed delivery sometime after Sept 20th.  Yes, that's Sept, as in September.  Some are promised in August, but not until after the eclipse, and glasses that had previously sold for $2.00 still available can now be going for as high as $30.00.

The information as of this afternoon about Amazon glasses, from Amazon itself, is still conflicting, and some of it makes no sense:  "Want it by next Friday? Choose Expedited Shipping for $xxx dollars."  Except that it states elsewhere that, it won't be in stock by then.  Amazon seems to have been caught short, and apparently hasn't had enough time to get their shit together and fix this thing.  Except they did email me and tell me not to use the glasses I bought.  You have to try and buy more from Amazon at horribly inflated prices on products that aren't available.

I still have questions about whether the glasses are safe to use, however, and I've read conflicting information in regards to that question also.  Not being certified only means they are not certified.  It appears with the overwhelming demand companies could manufacturer in time, but could not certify in time.  I guess there are mountains of government paperwork that have to b filed.

95% of the articles I've read, simply say, don't use the glasses because they aren't certified.  One article, which I believe was the Washington Post said, you still may be able to use them.  Put them on and if you can't see anything, except the sun itself, they are probably dark enough.  My glasses are like that, but every other article says you can't be sure if that's enough.

This information just came out from Amazon today, but I've been hearing rumors of fraudulent claims and uncertified glasses for the last week.  It's rather a big deal.  The potentially dangerous eclipse paraphernalia looms as important as the eclipse itself.  And the price gouging going on under the circumstances seems rather important also.  The fact that Amazon hasn't yet got their site up to date, and was still giving descriptions and ordering information that was incoherent even as late as this afternoon, seems like part of the story also.

And cheap certified glasses previously available have disappeared in the great corporate 2017 eclipse  money grab.  Yay, America!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:39:06 PM
Hello,

We’re writing to provide you with important safety information about the eclipse products you purchased on Amazon.

To protect your eyes when viewing the sun or an eclipse, NASA and the American Astronomical Society (AAS) advise you to use solar eclipse glasses or other solar filters from recommended manufacturers.  Viewing the sun or an eclipse using any other glasses or filters could result in loss of vision or permanent blindness. 

Amazon has not received confirmation from the supplier of your order that they sourced the item from a recommended manufacturer.  We recommend that you DO NOT use this product to view the sun or the eclipse.

Amazon is applying a balance for the purchase price to Your Account (please allow 7-10 days for this to appear on Your Account).  There is no need for you to return the product. You can view your available balance and activity here:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/cs

For more information about safely viewing a solar eclipse please see the NASA and AAS websites.

If you purchased this item for someone else, please pass along this information to the recipient.

We hope to see you again soon.

Sincerely,
Customer Service
Amazon.com
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: chill98 on August 13, 2017, 01:28:26 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
Turns out the eclipse glasses I bought from Amazon are not certified safe ISO 12312-2.  Amazon advertised them as certified, but it turns out that many of them, perhaps most of the glasses sold by sub sellers do not carry the certification code, and Amazon is refunding the money and not requiring me or anyone else to return the glasses.

I still have questions about whether the glasses are safe to use, however, and I've read conflicting information in regards to that question also.  Not being certified only means they are not certified.  It appears with the overwhelming demand companies could manufacturer in time, but could not certify in time.  I guess there are mountains of government paperwork that have to b filed.

95% of the articles I've read, simply say, don't use the glasses because they aren't certified.  One article, which I believe was the Washington Post said, you still may be able to use them.  Put them on and if you can't see anything, except the sun itself, they are probably dark enough.  My glasses are like that, but every other article says you can't be sure if that's enough.


Do you know which seller?  I did not get an email from amazon regarding my purchase, but it was solar polymer sheet and my seller is listed on the link below as ok. 

https://eclipse.aas.org/resources/solar-filters
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 13, 2017, 01:52:12 AM
Quote from: chill98 on August 13, 2017, 01:28:26 AM
Do you know which seller?  I did not get an email from amazon regarding my purchase, but it was solar polymer sheet and my seller is listed on the link below as ok. 

https://eclipse.aas.org/resources/solar-filters
If it's one on that list, which I've actually seen a number of times in my research, you're good.  I've seen print describing both solar polymer and Mylar as choice lens material.  Maybe they are the same thing.  My seller is no longer listed, but I'll look up my order and get back to you.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 13, 2017, 02:27:39 AM
Here's the listing on my order:

QuoteProfessional Solar Eclipse Glasses - CE and ISO Certified, Safe for Great American Total Solar Eclipse , Safe Sun Viewing, All Ages, One Size Fits All, August 21, 2017 (3 Pack - Plastic Set) 
Sold by:  SolarEclipseGlasses17
Note that they were listed as ISO Certified, but this was apparently the seller's description.  I gave the packaging and two of the three pairs to a friend, but we both searched the label and could see nothing about certification.  The actual manufacturer may or may not have been marked on the package, but I wasn't paying attention to that detail, because at the time, this non-certified issue hadn't come up.

Next time I see my friends, I'll look for the manufacturer info and post it here.  Look for ISO 12312-2 on your stuff.  The seller is not as important as the manufacturer.  However, if you weren't emailed by amazon, and your manufacturer is on that list, I'd be confident about what you bought.

I have a hunch my glasses, uncertified as they are, are still safe.  Will I actually use them now?  I haven't decided.  I've looked at the sun with them, and what I saw was exactly the description of what you are supposed to see with approved glasses.  But I'm also thinking of going the pin hole box instead. 
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 13, 2017, 06:52:43 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Mom asks if the school can reschedule the eclipse (http://www.boredpanda.com/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse/):

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103d25c78__700.jpg)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103f8c5c5__700.jpg)
1st, schools in the path are going to totally ignore an event like that.

2nd, she would need a guide to point out the sun.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: chill98 on August 13, 2017, 08:10:00 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 13, 2017, 02:27:39 AM
Next time I see my friends, I'll look for the manufacturer info and post it here.  Look for ISO 12312-2 on your stuff.  The seller is not as important as the manufacturer.  However, if you weren't emailed by amazon, and your manufacturer is on that list, I'd be confident about what you bought.

I will have to contact the friend we are visiting, they picked up glasses for us, to see if they got took.  I have a #12 welder glass (should be #14 but couldnt find one locally). 
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 13, 2017, 08:53:22 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 13, 2017, 06:52:43 AM
1st, schools in the path are going to totally ignore an event like that.

2nd, she would need a guide to point out the sun.
As I read her question, I couldn't determine whether she was asking for the eclipse to be rescheduled or just the eclipse party.  If it was the eclipse, she would be dumb.  If it was the party, she would just be missing the point.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: aitm on August 13, 2017, 04:39:08 PM
I am hoping that schools, even though this is a "sciency" moment will for the most part ignore it. I really don't know if staring at it without special glasses will "really" blind you, but why would we take the chance. This is a rare moment, but I fear more people try to turn this into some special cosmic/human relation. Meh.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 13, 2017, 05:41:08 PM
I don't think schools will ignore it, but taking 30 kids outside to look at the sun, even with the glasses poses a risk.  Kids do some stupid things.  If you tell them not to look directly at the sun without the glasses, there are going to be a few that will do the opposite just to see what happens.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 14, 2017, 02:19:11 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Mom asks if the school can reschedule the eclipse (http://www.boredpanda.com/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse/):

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103d25c78__700.jpg)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103f8c5c5__700.jpg)

LOL!  Nothing is beyond the desire of Moms to schedule their day!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 07:36:12 AM
This morning I received and email from the seller where I got my glasses, who is denying all product fault attributed to Amazon accusations.  It also included links to certain documentations supporting their position.   I haven't followed them up.  I just got up.  They also deny that Amazon made any attempt to contact them.  They finish their letter with, "Daystar brand ULF Solar Filters bought through Amazon by ICSTARS are SAFE."

Do I know what's happened here?  No, but I'll bet a competitor with NASA certified glasses started a fear rumor to get Amazon to help them shut down the competition.  Why does NASA have to certify consumer products?  They don't.  They are a Space Agency.  They are not a consumer protection agency.  NASA has less power to enforce regulations than the EPA or the Food and Drug Administration.  And there is no legal reason to add a NASA endorsement to a product label.  Something smells very fishy about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
Quote from: aitm on August 13, 2017, 04:39:08 PM
I am hoping that schools, even though this is a "sciency" moment will for the most part ignore it. I really don't know if staring at it without special glasses will "really" blind you, but why would we take the chance. This is a rare moment, but I fear more people try to turn this into some special cosmic/human relation. Meh.
Why do welders were protective lens? To prevent retinal burns. Same-same staring at the Sun. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on August 14, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
I'm at ground zero for the end of the world. It's passing directly above us here in Columbia. Sylvia got a bunch of 'eclipse glasses' and I have my welding shield, but I have a hunch it's going to be cloudy on the 21st. That's not a big deal to me and in some ways I almost hope it's just rain all day for the dipshits who are spending untold amounts of money to impress friends to book hotel rooms for 'eclipse parties ' and so on.. 
The last eclipse I observed I knew several people who got damage to their eyes staring directly at it despite being told to not do it. A quick glimpse won't hurt most people ,but most people are stupid enough to stare until they're blind. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.

Folks, if you don't have the right glasses go to harbor freight and get a nice dark welding shield dirt cheap. https://m.harborfreight.com/2-piece-welding-goggles-set-35711.html
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on August 14, 2017, 08:38:57 AM
I'm at ground zero for the end of the world. It's passing directly above us here in Columbia. Sylvia got a bunch of 'eclipse glasses' and I have my welding shield, but I have a hunch it's going to be cloudy on the 21st. That's not a big deal to me and in some ways I almost hope it's just rain all day for the dipshits who are spending untold amounts of money to impress friends to book hotel rooms for 'eclipse parties ' and so on.. 
The last eclipse I observed I knew several people who got damage to their eyes staring directly at it despite being told to not do it. A quick glimpse won't hurt most people ,but most people are stupid enough to stare until they're blind. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people.
ftfy
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 09:00:30 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 10:31:06 PM
And cheap certified glasses previously available have disappeared in the great corporate 2017 eclipse  money grab.  Yay, America!
Actually, Walmart and Lowe's have both laid in huge stocks; to the best of my knowledge, they are still available, and they are the ISO 12312-2 certified ones.  I laid in a stash for my cow-orkers, who will have to experience partiality rather than totality, and a couple pairs for myself so I could cannibalize one into being solar filters for my digital camera.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Mom asks if the school can reschedule the eclipse (http://www.boredpanda.com/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse/):

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103d25c78__700.jpg)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103f8c5c5__700.jpg)
I really want to believe she was just trying to be funny... but there's so much evidence that there really are people this thick.  >.<
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 09:00:30 AM
Actually, Walmart and Lowe's have both laid in huge stocks; to the best of my knowledge, they are still available, and they are the ISO 12312-2 certified ones.  I laid in a stash for my cow-orkers, who will have to experience partiality rather than totality, and a couple pairs for myself so I could cannibalize one into being solar filters for my digital camera.
Somewhere a Lowes or Walmart probably has them in stock.  But a search in two local Walmarts and two Lowes Stores has proven to be unsuccessful on my end.  Also, according to my last searches on the Internet, which possibly limits me to local stores, say in a 100 mile radius, says, "out of stock."  This was as of two days ago.

But I've decided to use the glasses I have.  I think they are safe.  They are dark enough to prevent me from seeing anything at all, except the sun, which still appears very dim.  When I put the glasses on and look around the sky, I can't even find the sun.  I have to take the glasses off, determine the sun's approximate location, and look there with the glasses, and I still have to search for the sun.  I think the scare is mostly manufactured, and while there are no doubt unsafe products out there, probably on the order of unsafe electronics that blow up when you plug them in, I think this has been blown out of proportion, a great marketing ploy, and a great temptation to the sensationally minded media.  Amazon also gets to sell the certified stuff and prices inflated by a factor of 20 or more.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 09:08:54 AM
I really want to believe she was just trying to be funny... but there's so much evidence that there really are people this thick.  >.<
I made a satirical comment like that at a public hearing years ago.  The audience of 350 and the 5 senators in attendance all caught the joke and laughed heartily.  But most of the media reported the comment as a serious one, which was quite embarrassing.  Although, one media source reported it in such a way that made it clear it was just a passing remark that made an otherwise boring hearing momentarily entertaining.  You have to be careful what you in say and how you say it in public.  If the media is there, make sure they can take nothing out of context, because they will, and they love to turn everything into a controversy.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
Oh, and with regard to my upcoming trip for the eclipse... I LOST MY FUCKING WALLET ON THE BUS YESTERDAY!  ID, bank cards, the lot!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 10:27:00 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
Oh, and with regard to my upcoming trip for the eclipse... I LOST MY FUCKING WALLET ON THE BUS YESTERDAY!  ID, bank cards, the lot!  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!
Good grief.  That is a MAJOR pain in the ass.  I'm sorry to hear that.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: aitm on August 14, 2017, 10:44:56 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 08:20:08 AM
Why do welders were protective lens? To prevent retinal burns. Same-same staring at the Sun. Sheesh.

I have met people blinded by welding or with partical dot due to that, I have always heard that staring at the sun can blind you, I have just never heard of anyone actually blinded. I suppose someone has, depending on how long. sheesh yerself ya big old meenie!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 10:47:12 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 10:27:00 AM
Good grief.  That is a MAJOR pain in the ass.  I'm sorry to hear that.
Preferable to losing what I was carrying, which was several fountain pens to display at the monthly club meeting -- just three of which were worth about $600.  I'll find out today if someone did the right thing and turned it in off the bus; otherwise, I can get at least my bank card replaced on an expedited basis and have it in hand before the end of the week.

But yes, major pain in the gluteus maximus.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: aitm on August 14, 2017, 10:44:56 AM
I have met people blinded by welding or with partical dot due to that, I have always heard that staring at the sun can blind you, I have just never heard of anyone actually blinded. I suppose someone has, depending on how long. sheesh yerself ya big old meenie!
People don't usually stare at the sun.  It's very uncomfortable.  Even kids that don't know better unconsciously don't look at the sun.  Few would make it to their teens with their eyesight in tact if they didn't have to force themselves to stare at the sun.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
Quote from: aitm on August 14, 2017, 10:44:56 AM
I have met people blinded by welding or with partical dot due to that, I have always heard that staring at the sun can blind you, I have just never heard of anyone actually blinded. I suppose someone has, depending on how long. sheesh yerself ya big old meenie!
"snow blindness" is really due to reflected sunlight.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
"snow blindness" is really due to reflected sunlight.
I thought it was from sticking your face in the snow.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 01:29:21 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
I thought it was from sticking your face in the snow.
No, that's your friend. ♫
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 01:44:51 PM
And now, your minimum daily requirement of brain-damaged stupidity: Signs the eclipse is the beginning of the Tribulation (http://www.unsealed.org/2017/06/the-divine-message-of-august-eclipse.html).  I think the funniest part was when they claimed it wasn't an end-of-the-world prophecy... and then immediately went on trying to connect the eclipse to the end of the world in Christian mythology.

Predictably, the science is wrong - for example, "people will witness a black sun rising over the United States". No, they won't.  The eclipse begins at 9:05 local time and totality isn't until about a quarter after ten.  There is no 'black sun rising'.  It will have been well and truly risen by then.

And that's the mildest of it -- the rest is a desperately flailing (and unintentionally hilarious to anyone with a modicum of astronomical knowledge) mish-mash of numerology, bible passages, astrology, and just plain pulling things out of his ass.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Unbeliever on August 14, 2017, 02:23:26 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:31:17 AM
I EXPECT the skies will be overcast and I won't see much of anything.  A mere slight darkening and nothing more.
Oh, great - another pessimist!  :menacing:
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Unbeliever on August 14, 2017, 02:27:20 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 12, 2017, 08:04:20 PM
Mom asks if the school can reschedule the eclipse (http://www.boredpanda.com/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse/):

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103d25c78__700.jpg)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mom-asks-reschedule-solar-eclipse-598c103f8c5c5__700.jpg)
Where's Joshua when you need him?
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
I FOUND MY FUCKING WALLET!!!!!!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DpB9NBjny7jF1pd0yt2/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 06:38:52 PM
Was it on the bus, or did you just put it in the refrigerator?
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 07:15:45 PM
It was fucking Kermit?
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2017, 07:16:41 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 06:38:52 PM
Was it on the bus, or did you just put it in the refrigerator?
Shit, I haven't looked there yet.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 06:15:55 PM
I FOUND MY FUCKING WALLET!!!!!!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/DpB9NBjny7jF1pd0yt2/giphy.gif)
I always thought there was something wrong with that fucking frog!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
I always thought there was something wrong with that fucking frog!

Normally Miss Piggy would just pull out the cash and leave it where she found it.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
I always thought there was something wrong with that fucking frog!
Oh, Oh!!!  I clean forgot about Miss Piggy.  I hope she does not read what I said...................
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 14, 2017, 06:38:52 PM
Was it on the bus, or did you just put it in the refrigerator?
It was in my own room, in a place it had no business being.  I was lucky to spot it -- and luckier that I hadn't started the gears turning to get all my old cards disabled and all.  Vacation is saved!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2017, 06:45:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
Oh, Oh!!!  I clean forgot about Miss Piggy.  I hope she does not read what I said...................

She likes fucking frogs '=)
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
It was in my own room, in a place it had no business being.  I was lucky to spot it -- and luckier that I hadn't started the gears turning to get all my old cards disabled and all.  Vacation is saved!
You should get one of those shock collars for it, teach where it can and cannot go.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 15, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
You should get one of those shock collars for it, teach where it can and cannot go.
That was the worst of it, knowing I couldn't blame the cat for its misplacement... it was obviously something I did, either in a moment of decision ("I'll put it right there so I can't miss it!") or a moment of distraction ("ooo, shiny...").
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 15, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
That was the worst of it, knowing I couldn't blame the cat for its misplacement... it was obviously something I did, either in a moment of decision ("I'll put it right there so I can't miss it!") or a moment of distraction ("ooo, shiny...").
I never do that. Except constantly.

"Honey, where's the machete?"

"You found a clever place to put it, didn't you?"
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2017, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 15, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
That was the worst of it, knowing I couldn't blame the cat for its misplacement... it was obviously something I did, either in a moment of decision ("I'll put it right there so I can't miss it!") or a moment of distraction ("ooo, shiny...").

You haven't lived, until you find your missing glasses on your nose ... damn, shouldn't have cleaned the lenses ;-)
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 15, 2017, 02:27:56 PM
How about when you lose yourself?  Like standing in a room and thinking "Where the hell is this?  Oh yeah, the living room."  At least when I found myself my wallet was there.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2017, 03:14:54 PM
Need reading glasses. Have seven pairs. Five room house.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 06:06:28 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 14, 2017, 09:00:30 AM
Actually, Walmart and Lowe's have both laid in huge stocks; to the best of my knowledge, they are still available, and they are the ISO 12312-2 certified ones.  I laid in a stash for my cow-orkers, who will have to experience partiality rather than totality, and a couple pairs for myself so I could cannibalize one into being solar filters for my digital camera.

A good reason to visit Walmart.  If I get two, I could cover my camera lens with one and maybe get a decent picture and the other to look at it myself.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 07:40:35 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 06:06:28 AM
A good reason to visit Walmart.  If I get two, I could cover my camera lens with one and maybe get a decent picture and the other to look at it myself.
Don't do that.  I don't know why.  I just read a thing on the Internet that said don't do that, but no explanation was given.  I'm still trying to figure out why.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 07:45:07 AM
I made motel reservations in a second location.  After watching long range forecasts, my plan B might be a better place to view from.  I won't decide until the day before the eclipse.  I have limited experience to base this on, but all those motels that filled up three months ago, are now showing vacancies again.  People are changing their plans I guess.  However, this will be by far, the most expensive motel reservation I've ever made.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 08:25:38 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 07:40:35 AM
Don't do that.  I don't know why.  I just read a thing on the Internet that said don't do that, but no explanation was given.  I'm still trying to figure out why.
Can't imagine why -- the ones at Walmart are the correct ones.  I mean, there are plenty of reasons to not shop at Walmart, but eclipse glasses are not among them.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 08:25:38 AM
Can't imagine why -- the ones at Walmart are the correct ones.  I mean, there are plenty of reasons to not shop at Walmart, but eclipse glasses are not among them.

I don't plan to look at the sun with ANYTHING.  But I read about a way to use a camera to take a picture using a solar filter and a tripod...  I may try THAT!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 08:43:11 AM
I don't plan to look at the sun with ANYTHING.  But I read about a way to use a camera to take a picture using a solar filter and a tripod...  I may try THAT!
I actually bought a special filter for my camera made out of cardboard and what I assume is the same material used in the glasses.  I haven't tried it out, and I'm not sure I will use it.  I don't want to be fiddling with technology during the 2 minutes of totality.  I think I'd like to just sit back and enjoy it.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
I actually bought a special filter for my camera made out of cardboard and what I assume is the same material used in the glasses.  I haven't tried it out, and I'm not sure I will use it.  I don't want to be fiddling with technology during the 2 minutes of totality.  I think I'd like to just sit back and enjoy it.

Indeed, it will be partial here.  I experienced that once in the 80s.  This time I really plan to just set the camera on a timer and mostly watch how the backyard wildlife reacts.  *I* know what an eclipse is, they don't.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
I actually bought a special filter for my camera made out of cardboard and what I assume is the same material used in the glasses.  I haven't tried it out, and I'm not sure I will use it.  I don't want to be fiddling with technology during the 2 minutes of totality.  I think I'd like to just sit back and enjoy it.
They usually say that the best way to photograph an eclipse is to wait for your second one and just kick back and enjoy the first one.  Totality will be two and a half minutes or less, depending on where you are (we'll be getting about two).

I shall not be heeding that advice.  I've got the biggest glass I can carry and will be happily snapping away with three cameras -- although one of them will be 'set it and forget it' and recording video of the entire event.  I'm *hoping* to get video of the actual shadow making its way across the ground as it comes in from the northwest.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 17, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
I'm doing it the lazy man way.  I won't even be outside for the thing.  I'll simply watch the best of the internet and TV pics and videos.  Easy-peasy. 
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
I'm doing it the lazy man way.  I won't even be outside for the thing.  I'll simply watch the best of the internet and TV pics and videos.  Easy-peasy.

I'll do that afterwards.  It will be good to see to at least some effect outside.  The birds act funny.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 08:25:38 AM
Can't imagine why -- the ones at Walmart are the correct ones.  I mean, there are plenty of reasons to not shop at Walmart, but eclipse glasses are not among them.
I was referring to using glasses to take pictures through.  What I read was that you should use an actual camera filter, but I will confess, I shop at Walmart all the time, especially for groceries.  I usually save 20%, and their generic brand, "Great Value" is excellent most of the time, although some Great Value items can be substandard IMO, and I avoid those.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 17, 2017, 10:23:32 AM
I was referring to using glasses to take pictures through.  What I read was that you should use an actual camera filter...
I've used eclipse glasses to do solar photography; they work acceptably well with film, but digital sensors are too sensitive and require additional filtering.  At least in my experience.  I made filters for my Sanyo and Sony and met with limited success.  I'm reserving the Nikon for totality and trying to catch the corona, and with any kind of luck some gravitational light bending that I can verify with a shot later in the year of the same patch of sky, absent the sun -- the sun will be close to Regulus, which is quite a bright star.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Sorginak on August 17, 2017, 11:30:47 AM
I think I viewed an eclipse once when I was in elementary school and as a class we created those funky looking contraptions to use in viewing it safely.  I do not recall the experience that clearly, and I have  had no interest in viewing an eclipse since then.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
I've used eclipse glasses to do solar photography; they work acceptably well with film, but digital sensors are too sensitive and require additional filtering.  At least in my experience.  I made filters for my Sanyo and Sony and met with limited success.  I'm reserving the Nikon for totality and trying to catch the corona, and with any kind of luck some gravitational light bending that I can verify with a shot later in the year of the same patch of sky, absent the sun -- the sun will be close to Regulus, which is quite a bright star.

When I took Astronomy 101, the instructer set up a small telescope that shone the sun on a piece of paper.  We saw SUNSPOTS!  That what I would like to try to do for the eclipse.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
When I took Astronomy 101, the instructer set up a small telescope that shone the sun on a piece of paper.  We saw SUNSPOTS!  That what I would like to try to do for the eclipse.
I did that with my reflector for the annular eclipse of 1994 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_May_10,_1994), projecting the image on a sheet of white cardstock.  And then moving the cardstock to the focal point and quite rapidly burning a hole in it.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 17, 2017, 01:22:32 PM
I did that with my reflector for the annular eclipse of 1994 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse_of_May_10,_1994), projecting the image on a sheet of white cardstock.  And then moving the cardstock to the focal point and quite rapidly burning a hole in it.

LOL on burning a hole in the cardstock.  I think the astronomy teacher had some painted aluminum plate thing.  Well, it didn't burn.

And he had the telescope (what I realize just now must have had a rotational adjustment device) about 8 geet long and maybe 8" lens?

It was a big lecture hall class.  About 200 students.  There were 2 tests the whole class.  The results were posted outside his office each time.  I was the only one to score 100 on both.  If further study hadn't required serious physics math, I would be an astronomer talking to you now. 

Instead, I'm a political science major and history minor with a government program analyst career happily behind me.  No maths...  LOL!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
More could of, should of?  You could have been the Pope (not).
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
Well this will be my view of the eclipse.

(http://i.imgur.com/XGQFWDF.jpg)

That's the view through my room window here in Kwajalein. Not what I'd hoped for when I started planning for this event, but I guess it's better than some places I could have ended up.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 19, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Suffer, dude.

And remember, we're doing it again in 2024.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 19, 2017, 03:51:51 PM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
Well this will be my view of the eclipse.

(http://i.imgur.com/XGQFWDF.jpg)

That's the view through my room window here in Kwajalein. Not what I'd hoped for when I started planning for this event, but I guess it's better than some places I could have ended up.
I can't say I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 19, 2017, 03:51:51 PM
I can't say I feel sorry for you.

I just came back from breakfast at the mess hall. My first meal since I got here. You should feel sorry for me. I'll be eating a lot of ramen for the next 3 weeks.


If I can get them...
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 19, 2017, 05:11:55 PM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
I just came back from breakfast at the mess hall. My first meal since I got here. You should feel sorry for me. I'll be eating a lot of ramen for the next 3 weeks.


If I can get them...
In the late 60's, some members of my unit 'got' to go TDY to Kwajalein for a several days.  Luckily, I was not selected.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 19, 2017, 05:11:55 PM
In the late 60's, some members of my unit 'got' to go TDY to Kwajalein for a several days.  Luckily, I was not selected.

In the late 60s it was probably nicer than it is now. Most of the infrastructure was built in the 50s and 60s so it would have been relatively new then. This is not a gentle environment. Most of the structures are 50 to 60 years old and have had very little little maintenance over the years beyond emergency repairs. The place is pretty run down. Some of it is bordering on falling down.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Mike Cl on August 19, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on August 19, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
In the late 60s it was probably nicer than it is now. Most of the infrastructure was built in the 50s and 60s so it would have been relatively new then. This is not a gentle environment. Most of the structures are 50 to 60 years old and have had very little little maintenance over the years beyond emergency repairs. The place is pretty run down. Some of it is bordering on falling down.
Hope you brought books, and a safety hat.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 02:49:20 AM
I'll have it on the TV and standing on the deck...
Title: Re: Eclipse PlaAnd that e comes to my bacfk
Post by: trdsf on August 20, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 19, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Suffer, dude.

And remember, we're doing it again in 2024.
And that one comes to my back yard.  However, Ohio weather in April being what it is, I'm already planning on Texas.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Unbeliever on August 21, 2017, 02:12:03 PM
I heard that 92% of counties in the path of totality voted for Chump:



The solar eclipse path will overwhelmingly pass over Trump Country (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/01/the-solar-eclipse-coming-trump-country/Ldd7MhDroW1cdYCwCBoxbO/story.html)


(http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/map.jpg)





I doubt this means anything, really, but jokes are possible, I guess.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on August 21, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
Well crap...the world didn't end.. I was hoping so, but it was cool anyway..
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 04:02:37 PM
I saw a partial eclipse (with approved eclipse glasses).  It was pretty underwhelming.  Just an orange blob with a black blob in front of it.  It didn't even really get noticeably darker outside.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on August 21, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
I just got back from seeing it. My plans went off without a hitch.

It was truly awesome! A partial eclipse simply doesn't compare to a total eclipse!

Woot!

No wonder ancient people started beating drums and shit.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2017, 06:31:50 PM
We had like 80% totality, and clear sky.  So watched it from work.  Even a sliver of Sun is still very bright, maybe experienced 25% darkening.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Deidre32 on August 21, 2017, 07:58:53 PM
I saw the eclipse with those special glasses today! It was awesome. It didn't get too dark at all though, where I live, that was a little disappointing. But, still cool to look up with those glasses and see the sun without rays. ^_^
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 21, 2017, 04:02:37 PM
I saw a partial eclipse (with approved eclipse glasses).  It was pretty underwhelming.  Just an orange blob with a black blob in front of it.  It didn't even really get noticeably darker outside.
The real rush comes during totality.  A lot happens all at once during that short time.  And it was awesome, I thought.  I don't know if I'd make another two day trip to see one.  I might, but I'm happy I got to see totality.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 02:03:57 AM
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 21, 2017, 07:58:53 PM
I saw the eclipse with those special glasses today! It was awesome. It didn't get too dark at all though, where I live, that was a little disappointing. But, still cool to look up with those glasses and see the sun without rays. ^_^
The difference between 90% and 100% is dramatic.  A short sunset with red and blue, and a few stars, and the corona without having to wear glasses was the most dramatic astronomical event I've seen, and I saw a daytime fireball back in the late 60s, which came close, but I think this was better.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 22, 2017, 06:59:14 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 02:03:57 AM
The difference between 90% and 100% is dramatic.  A short sunset with red and blue, and a few stars, and the corona without having to wear glasses was the most dramatic astronomical event I've seen, and I saw a daytime fireball back in the late 60s, which came close, but I think this was better.

Seen a couple bolides at night ... you never know when they will happen, and you just happen to be looking in the right direction.  The Moon may be common, but it is still my favorite.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 08:29:34 AM
Quote from: Baruch on August 22, 2017, 06:59:14 AM
Seen a couple bolides at night ... you never know when they will happen, and you just happen to be looking in the right direction.  The Moon may be common, but it is still my favorite.
The fireball I saw in 1972 has been recorded and named:  The Daylight Fireball of 1972.  Note that the video is NOT in slow motion. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WlCfuPrszU
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 22, 2017, 08:37:25 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
The real rush comes during totality.  A lot happens all at once during that short time.  And it was awesome, I thought.  I don't know if I'd make another two day trip to see one.  I might, but I'm happy I got to see totality.
We were on a hill, Villa Ridge, watching the sky monster. When totality hit another ridge a few miles away erupted in firework, dozens of sky bursts. Daytime fireworks. Not much cooler than that.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
The downside of the Eclipse.  Two days of travel, one night in a motel, and caught in the mass exodus on the freeway that turned into a nightmarish crawl.  I got home at 1:30, wrung out and empty, and I feel like shit today.  I used to love driving and love traveling.  Now, I don't like either one.  I did leave the freeway after a couple of hours, and with my laptop, I planned a back roads alternative, which was also hit by the exodus, but we managed to move along no slower than 45 miles an hour as part of an infinite line of glowing tail lights snaking our way through the off Interstate Wilderness.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 22, 2017, 08:37:25 AM
We were on a hill, Villa Ridge, watching the sky monster. When totality hit another ridge a few miles away erupted in firework, dozens of sky bursts. Daytime fireworks. Not much cooler than that.
At Crab Orchard Lake, right?  I heard no cheers or fireworks, because I sought out the most backwater part of the most backwater rural community I could find in the path of totality.  I spent the morning of my arrival driving around looking for the best looking sites, which I had already hunted down on Google Earth.  I finally settled on a 30 or 40 acre field next to a secondary road surrounded by trees, fields, and one red barn 3/4 of a mile off on a hillside.  The field I chose belonged to (get this) a Pentecostal Church, not really a church but more like the converted remains of what must have been an abandoned farm outbuilding.  I figured church people wouldn't mind me using their field to witness God's handiwork, and I didn't want to have some farmer run me off his property with a shotgun.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 22, 2017, 09:35:40 AM
Quote from: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 09:09:26 AM
At Crab Orchard Lake, right?  I heard no cheers or fireworks, because I sought out the most backwater part of the most backwater rural community I could find in the path of totality.  I spent the morning of my arrival driving around looking for the best looking sites, which I had already hunted down on Google Earth.  I finally settled on a 30 or 40 acre field next to a secondary road surrounded by trees, fields, and one red barn 3/4 of a mile off on a hillside.  The field I chose belonged to (get this) a Pentecostal Church, not really a church but more like the converted remains of what must have been an abandoned farm outbuilding.  I figured church people wouldn't mind me using their field to witness God's handiwork, and I didn't want to have some farmer run me off his property with a shotgun.
Sorry, didn't make it to C'dale. We were about forty miles SW of St. Loser in I-44.

And I saw rent-a-cops patrolling church parking lots on the way down.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 22, 2017, 09:35:40 AM
Sorry, didn't make it to C'dale. We were about forty miles SW of St. Loser in I-44.
And I saw rent-a-cops patrolling church parking lots on the way down.
So much for Christian charity.  Or were they there to welcome and direct?  Actually, when I got back to the Pentecostal Field for the big event, the church pastor had arrived with his SUV at the far end of the field and set up an awning to cover it.  He walked over to me about 1/4 of the way into the eclipse, welcomed me, said he would be happy to have me join him and share his shelter, and that some others from the congregation might also show up.  I graciously declined, and he said I was welcome to set myself up in the shade of an overhang at the back of the church and that I was welcome to use the restroom facilities in the building.  What I would expect in a small community.

After the eclipse, I walked over and thanked him, and he God Blessed me, to which I replied, "And the same to you, Sir.  You put a curse on me.  I'll put one on you."  No, I didn't actually say the thing about the curse, nor did we discuss religion, but I was truly grateful for the hospitality, the kind that on the surface anyway, should not depend on faith in the supernatural, and it was pleasant.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Baruch on August 22, 2017, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 22, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
The downside of the Eclipse.  Two days of travel, one night in a motel, and caught in the mass exodus on the freeway that turned into a nightmarish crawl.  I got home at 1:30, wrung out and empty, and I feel like shit today.  I used to love driving and love traveling.  Now, I don't like either one.  I did leave the freeway after a couple of hours, and with my laptop, I planned a back roads alternative, which was also hit by the exodus, but we managed to move along no slower than 45 miles an hour as part of an infinite line of glowing tail lights snaking our way through the off Interstate Wilderness.

That bolide ... UFO or swamp gas ... you can be honest with us, Klatu.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on August 22, 2017, 06:55:57 PM
The advantage of doubling up is that this trip wasn't only about the eclipse, but also seeing family. Got to finally meet the other side of my brother's family this trip.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on August 24, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
Home again.

Ninety seconds before totality, a cloud obscured the sun and we missed the diamond ring, the Bailly's Beads, the corona and everything.

NINETY FUCKING SECONDS.

I'll be over here sulking.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 24, 2017, 07:32:13 PM
Quote from: trdsf on August 24, 2017, 07:22:25 PM
Home again.

Ninety seconds before totality, a cloud obscured the sun and we missed the diamond ring, the Bailly's Beads, the corona and everything.

NINETY FUCKING SECONDS.

I'll be over here sulking.
That sucks.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Unbeliever on August 24, 2017, 10:48:02 PM
I was planning to use pinhole projection if we had enough clearing of the clouds, but, alas, we didn't.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2017, 11:30:16 PM
In 2024 I will be tandem jumping during the totality.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: SGOS on August 25, 2017, 05:54:13 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2017, 11:30:16 PM
In 2024 I will be tandem jumping during the totality.
Those friends I referred to earlier said where they were at, there were some divers coming down during totality.  I can't imagine.  I didn't even take pictures during totality because I didn't want to be distracted by anything else.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 05:19:17 AM
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 21, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
I just got back from seeing it. My plans went off without a hitch.

It was truly awesome! A partial eclipse simply doesn't compare to a total eclipse!

Woot!

No wonder ancient people started beating drums and shit.

The total would have been awesome!  I just assumed that whereever I went would have been cloudy, LOL!
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on September 07, 2017, 04:27:30 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 11, 2017, 04:02:44 PM
I went to an eclipse in 1979, up in Washington state. Got clouded out - but it did get dark, at least. This one I'll just get the partial, and be happy with it.

I read a joke before the eclipse.  Said if you weren't sure your eclipse glasses were safe, try them at night first.  At least I HOPE that was a joke...

Of course that is just light bent over the gravity well now...
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: trdsf on September 07, 2017, 10:41:17 AM
This was, alas, the best image I could get as the sun re-emerged from THAT STUPID FUCKING CLOUD.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4396/36712471471_62eddb2ee5_b.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/36712471471/)

I still need to go through my other camera, but I don't think I've done much better than this.  Which was not what I wanted to see.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on September 07, 2017, 09:01:15 PM
Quote from: trdsf on September 07, 2017, 10:41:17 AM
This was, alas, the best image I could get as the sun re-emerged from THAT STUPID FUCKING CLOUD.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4396/36712471471_62eddb2ee5_b.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/trdsf/36712471471/)

I still need to go through my other camera, but I don't think I've done much better than this.  Which was not what I wanted to see.

Mine looked just like yours...
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 05:46:43 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on September 07, 2017, 09:01:15 PM
Mine looked just like yours...

Mine were like this...
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Sal1981 on September 11, 2017, 06:36:12 AM
In 2015 there was an eclipse here in Faroe Islands, but it was cloudy where I was. Got slightly dark for 5 minutes (similar to dusk/dawn) and bright again. Back then people also talked about Jesus coming back and end of the world and whatnot.
Title: Re: Eclipse Plans
Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 06:41:36 AM
Quote from: Sal1981 on September 11, 2017, 06:36:12 AM
In 2015 there was an eclipse here in Faroe Islands, but it was cloudy where I was. Got slightly dark for 5 minutes (similar to dusk/dawn) and bright again. Back then people also talked about Jesus coming back and end of the world and whatnot.
The superstitious WILL be that way...