“Hillary Clinton wants to preach. That’s what she told Bill Shillady, her longtime pastor, at a recent photo shoot for his new book about the daily devotionals he sent her during the 2016 campaign. Scattered bits of reporting suggest that ministry has always been a secret dream of the two-time presidential candidate: Last fall, the former Newsweek editor Kenneth Woodward revealed that Clinton told him in 1994 that she thought “all the time†about becoming an ordained Methodist minister. She asked him not to write about it, though: “It will make me seem much too pious.†The incident perfectly captures Clinton’s long campaign to modulateâ€"and sometimes obscureâ€"expressions of her faith.†â€"The Atlantic
So where are you atheist D party folks going to worship now, if not at the Church of Clinton?
My ex was just like her, except she earned her religious institution status by education and experience, not by a twice failed Presidential campaign.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
So where are you atheist D party folks going to worship now, if not at the Church of Clinton?
What a completely assholish thing to say.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 08, 2017, 07:19:05 PM
What a completely assholish thing to say.
If Obama was Christian, or Muslim, why were there D-atheists here supporting him? Not saying he is anything but a completely jaded materialist, as I think Hillary actually is. But I heard that she was making kissy face with The Family, a congressional religious cult ... when she was a Senator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
Old news ... but the quote I copied from another website, brought it up again. The Clintons can never disappear, they will be converted into androids, so they can run for office ... forever.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
“Hillary Clinton wants to preach. That’s what she told Bill Shillady, her longtime pastor, at a recent photo shoot for his new book about the daily devotionals he sent her during the 2016 campaign. Scattered bits of reporting suggest that ministry has always been a secret dream of the two-time presidential candidate: Last fall, the former Newsweek editor Kenneth Woodward revealed that Clinton told him in 1994 that she thought “all the time†about becoming an ordained Methodist minister. She asked him not to write about it, though: “It will make me seem much too pious.†The incident perfectly captures Clinton’s long campaign to modulateâ€"and sometimes obscureâ€"expressions of her faith.†â€"The Atlantic
So where are you atheist D party folks going to worship now, if not at the Church of Clinton?
My ex was just like her, except she earned her religious institution status by education and experience, not by a twice failed Presidential campaign.
Damn, Baruch, you sure love Hillary! Every chance you get you bring her up. Oh, you say you hate her, but it does not seem that way. Did she jilt you or something? I know you secretly lust after her.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 08, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
Damn, Baruch, you sure love Hillary! Every chance you get you bring her up. Oh, you say you hate her, but it does not seem that way. Did she jilt you or something? I know you secretly lust after her.
She is an older version of my Ex, but my Ex was never married to that douche, Bill, either.
No, simply taken in by the irrationalism of such ... rational posters.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:28:37 PM
If Obama was Christian, or Muslim, why were there D-atheists here supporting him? Not saying he is anything but a completely jaded materialist, as I think Hillary actually is. But I heard that she was making kissy face with The Family, a congressional religious cult ... when she was a Senator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
Old news ... but the quote I copied from another website, brought it up again. The Clintons can never disappear, they will be converted into androids, so they can run for office ... forever.
What?
Quote from: Mermaid on August 08, 2017, 08:27:11 PM
What?
I picture Baruch as kind of a blind guy pushing the buttons on a panel board that spews out completely random and unconnected audio clips. If it seems that his thoughts bounce around and are incoherent and disjointed....it's because they are.
Baruch desperately wants attention. He will get it anyway possible. The stranger the posts and the more obscure the references he makes, the more attention he gets from you. He hasn't posted anything worth reading in months. So stop replying to him. I have.
Stop replying to me? Why? Because you have nothing to say (ouch). Actually I read all of your posts, Cavebear. You are an interesting specimen.
And Mermaid ... I apologize for any innuendo ... I really shouldn't assume you are a Hillary-bot. It would be OK if you are a Bernie-bot however.
And yes, the Clintons are a weird cult, even weirder than the Bush cult. But the Obamas are busy working up their own perpetual cult of personality too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 09, 2017, 07:11:41 AM
And yes, the Clintons are a weird cult, even weirder than the Bush cult. But the Obamas are busy working up their own perpetual cult of personality too.
You are a racist woman hating paranoid obsessed with the liberal media and having delusions of secret cults planning to dominate the world. Also, you have this weird thing for hippies.
Quote from: SGOS on August 09, 2017, 05:26:18 PM
You are a racist woman hating paranoid obsessed with the liberal media and having delusions of secret cults planning to dominate the world. Also, you have this weird thing for hippies.
Couldn't have said it better myself! And I didn't. Well, OK, I might have added that he really loves his own insider humor too much. But we all already knew that. LOL!
Quote from: Baruch on August 09, 2017, 07:11:41 AM
And Mermaid ... I apologize for any innuendo ... I really shouldn't assume you are a Hillary-bot. It would be OK if you are a Bernie-bot however.
So glad to hear you'd approve.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
So where are you atheist D party folks going to worship now, if not at the Church of Clinton?
You should drop your fixation on Hillary and save your venom for Jimmy Carter whose Habitat for Humanity was the single biggest factor in the housing bubble and the collapse of the world economy.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 09, 2017, 05:50:50 PM
So glad to hear you'd approve.
Interesting Avatar change. Took me while to see it well enough with my old glasses though. LOL~
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
“Hillary Clinton wants to preach. That’s what she told Bill Shillady, her longtime pastor, at a recent photo shoot for his new book about the daily devotionals he sent her during the 2016 campaign. Scattered bits of reporting suggest that ministry has always been a secret dream of the two-time presidential candidate: Last fall, the former Newsweek editor Kenneth Woodward revealed that Clinton told him in 1994 that she thought “all the time†about becoming an ordained Methodist minister. She asked him not to write about it, though: “It will make me seem much too pious.†The incident perfectly captures Clinton’s long campaign to modulateâ€"and sometimes obscureâ€"expressions of her faith.†â€"The Atlantic
LoL
I'm thinking, its got something to do with tax-exemptions, now that the foundation is no longer open for bidness.
EDIT to add
Or MAYBE so she doesnt have to testify against her buddies! It was a religious confession!!
Quote from: SGOS on August 09, 2017, 05:26:18 PM
You are a racist woman hating paranoid obsessed with the liberal media and having delusions of secret cults planning to dominate the world. Also, you have this weird thing for hippies.
Actually I love women. I just don't like them as German dominatrices whipping my ass. And so ... you admit the media is liberal? Really not, it is Marxist treason (sarc). Liberals aren't Marxists, except at UC Berkeley. And there have always been secret cults dominating the world ... how did the Pyramids get built again? And actually I am more pro hippie than you might imagine ... but I don't share that on social media.
Quote from: chill98 on August 09, 2017, 08:08:49 PM
LoL
I'm thinking, its got something to do with tax-exemptions, now that the foundation is no longer open for bidness.
EDIT to add
Or MAYBE so she doesnt have to testify against her buddies! It was a religious confession!!
spot on... she learned from the IRS scandal. The law says 100% to have tax exempt status but the regs say 50% to be a charity; not to mention that you can manipulate charity expenses just as much as corporate expenses
Quote from: fencerider on August 09, 2017, 09:36:32 PM
spot on... she learned from the IRS scandal. The law says 100% to have tax exempt status but the regs say 50% to be a charity; not to mention that you can manipulate charity expenses just as much as corporate expenses
You have to be Native American to enjoy peyote religiously ... so Elizabeth Warren is in ;-)
Sounds like an innuendo to me. Hillary is liberal and wants to guide people in that direction, but I doubt she is pastorally-inclined...
I'm not sure what's overly surprising about a Deep South Christian woman who has done a life time of charity work and fights strongly for her beliefs would be inclined to go into the clergy...
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2017, 04:15:54 AM
I'm not sure what's overly surprising about a Deep South Christian woman who has done a life time of charity work and fights strongly for her beliefs would be inclined to go into the clergy...
Atheists do good works too. Is there some reason you want to insist Hillary Clinton is a dedicated theist?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:29:51 AM
Atheists do good works too. Is there some reason you want to insist Hillary Clinton is a dedicated theist?
...because she is, by her own omission in video after video, a Deep South Christian (Methodist) who does what she does and fights as hard as she does because of her faith? Because she has never indicated any reason to believe other wise?
I bet she isn't as religious as you think. Few politicians are.
Jesus Christ! Who started this thread anyway? It's not like I don't have enough on my mind already. And now I have to worry about whether Hillary Clinton wants to be a Methodist minister.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:29:51 AM
Atheists do good works too. Is there some reason you want to insist Hillary Clinton is a dedicated theist?
So ... anyone who agrees with your social policies, must be a Bright, and thus must be an atheist too?
And yes, atheists do good works, sometimes, just like theists.
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
Jesus Christ! Who started this thread anyway? It's not like I don't have enough on my mind already. And now I have to worry about whether Hillary Clinton wants to be a Methodist minister.
Scream in terror, fellow Castroites, the Methodists are coming, the Methodists are coming ... time to step back, smoke a Havana and get lung cancer. Free medical care, anti-American, anti-religion, pro-Third World ... what is not to like?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:28:20 AM
I bet she isn't as religious as you think. Few politicians are.
Her dishonesty (in common with other politicians) is what gives you confidence in her agenda?
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
Jesus Christ! Who started this thread anyway? It's not like I don't have enough on my mind already. And now I have to worry about whether Hillary Clinton wants to be a Methodist minister.
Don't worry, she is probably going for Supreme Court in the next Dem Administration... What, you thought she would become an MSNBC host?
Quote from: SGOS on August 12, 2017, 08:03:33 AM
Jesus Christ! Who started this thread anyway? It's not like I don't have enough on my mind already. And now I have to worry about whether Hillary Clinton wants to be a Methodist minister.
Hopefully she does exactlly that in bumfuckegypt arkansas. The smaller the market the better but I doubt that will happen.
Quote from: aitm on August 12, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
Hopefully she does exactlly that in bumfuckegypt arkansas. The smaller the market the better but I doubt that will happen.
Hillary Clinton would be an outstanding Supreme Court Justice. You may not like her politics, but that wouldn't be the way she decided cases. She has that ability to separate her desires and see law. I've always thought that was the right place for her.
I suspect Obama came close to offers to her to be a Justice or Sec of State and made a choice. Close, and she was a good Sec of State, but she might have been a better Justice.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Hillary Clinton would be an outstanding Supreme Court Justice. You may not like her politics, but that wouldn't be the way she decided cases. She has that ability to separate her desires and see law. I've always thought that was the right place for her.
I suspect Obama came close to offers to her to be a Justice or Sec of State and made a choice. Close, and she was a good Sec of State, but she might have been a better Justice.
Former PM Blair is running for Pope, and Obama is running for UN secretary general. Megalomaniacs are so predictable. Bill Clinton can be Chief Porn Artist.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 04:03:12 PM
Hillary Clinton would be an outstanding Supreme Court Justice. You may not like her politics, but that wouldn't be the way she decided cases. She has that ability to separate her desires and see law. I've always thought that was the right place for her.
I suspect Obama came close to offers to her to be a Justice or Sec of State and made a choice. Close, and she was a good Sec of State, but she might have been a better Justice.
My comment was completely related to her as a minister. Frankly I am simply tired of her, which is a shame because she could be the perfect person for several positions.
Quote from: aitm on August 12, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
My comment was completely related to her as a minister. Frankly I am simply tired of her, which is a shame because she could be the perfect person for several positions.
Please assure me you meant "positions" innocently. Guy speech is tricky enough as it is.
Quote from: aitm on August 12, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
My comment was completely related to her as a minister. Frankly I am simply tired of her, which is a shame because she could be the perfect person for several positions.
I actually agree with this, and I voted for her. Both the over-saturation and her attitude make her tiring for how good of politician she actually is.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 12, 2017, 05:11:10 PM
I actually agree with this, and I voted for her. Both the over-saturation and her attitude make her tiring for how good of politician she actually is.
All the more reason to get her a permanent job she would be good at...
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2017, 04:08:07 PM
Bill Clinton can be Chief Porn Artist.
Not really--he is not a Repub. And Newt makes him look like a piker when it comes to sex out of marriage.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 05:33:08 PM
Not really--he is not a Repub. And Newt makes him look like a piker when it comes to sex out of marriage.
See, this is why Baruch makes me ill. No sense, no content, no value, no purpose...
Just CRAP!!!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
See, this is why Baruch makes me ill. No sense, no content, no value, no purpose...
Just CRAP!!!
Crap is certainly part of it. :) But you have to separate the chaff from the wheat. :)) We go back a couple of decades and I do appreciate the guy's whit, insight, and knowledge.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 05:44:01 PM
Crap is certainly part of it. :) But you have to separate the chaff from the wheat. :)) We go back a couple of decades and I do appreciate the guy's whit, insight, and knowledge.
Well I don't. Everytime I noticed he was knowledgeable about something, he went all stupid/funny/dumb. I accept your history though.
It is the failed promise of some people that saddens me most.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 12, 2017, 05:33:08 PM
Not really--he is not a Repub. And Newt makes him look like a piker when it comes to sex out of marriage.
And Jack Kennedy was celibate ;-) You are a Dem all the way, just like the baseball fan you are. Yes, Newt should be publicly whipped, but then all politicians would find that punishment salutory for multiple reasons ;-)
You aren I are both over 60, Cavebear. You know what that typically does to male personalities (called being garrulous). It isn't pretty. Fortunately neither of us use our real visage ;-)
And Mike, you are showing some of those symptoms too, though more like flashbacks to bad parts of your childhood. Did the KKK really burn a cross on your front lawn every Sunday? I hope not.
[quote author=Baruch link=topic=11822.msg1186096#msg1186096 date=1502596917
And Mike, you are showing some of those symptoms too, though more like flashbacks to bad parts of your childhood. Did the KKK really burn a cross on your front lawn every Sunday? I hope not.
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The KKK from my childhood (around Anniston, Ala) didn't do much cross burning--too bush lynching.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 12:45:56 AM
[quote author=Baruch link=topic=11822.msg1186096#msg1186096 date=1502596917
And Mike, you are showing some of those symptoms too, though more like flashbacks to bad parts of your childhood. Did the KKK really burn a cross on your front lawn every Sunday? I hope not.
The KKK from my childhood (around Anniston, Ala) didn't do much cross burning--too bush lynching.
Definitely legitimately triggering. But given different circumstances, you could have been the good-old-boy doing the lynching, or the black-fellow getting lynched. But do you have to carry this 50 years into your future?
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2017, 12:54:14 AM
Definitely legitimately triggering. But given different circumstances, you could have been the good-old-boy doing the lynching, or the black-fellow getting lynched. But do you have to carry this 50 years into your future?
I'd like to carry this on into the infinite future. Racism needs to be defeated. Of course, in different circumstances I could have been black, a KKK Dragon, a Nazi guard, Hitler, Buffet, Trump, an Indian Outcast, any---well, put in anything. So fucking what?????? I am what I am (says Popeye), and that is all I can be. I do think your typing fingers overloads your brain at times--better to say/type something than be silent????
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
I'd like to carry this on into the infinite future. Racism needs to be defeated. Of course, in different circumstances I could have been black, a KKK Dragon, a Nazi guard, Hitler, Buffet, Trump, an Indian Outcast, any---well, put in anything. So fucking what?????? I am what I am (says Popeye), and that is all I can be. I do think your typing fingers overloads your brain at times--better to say/type something than be silent????
Are you are self righteous ... like an avenging angel. Odd for an atheist. Archangel Michael would have nothing on you. Racism isn't the real problem, the real problem is humanity, and that will be taken care of eventually. I agree, that distinguishing people based on skin color is stupid. One of our many stupidities. You simply want to genocide an idea, and you think you have a better reason than Hitler (he wanted to exterminate Jewish banking etc).
A bit like Marx wanting to exterminate all imperfect ideas (communism being perfect). But to destroy an idea, you have to kill the people too. Lenin, Stalin and Mao understood this. To get rid of Russian or Chinese backwardness (traditional society) you had to exterminate a lot of people. And this is futile, because the idea will constantly re-arise even without mis-parenting or corrupt society. Lincoln had no such illusions himself.
A Salafist Muslim and you ... would seem to agree on puritanism. In their case, anything not Sunni Fundie, is evil, and must be eliminated, at any cost.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2017, 02:20:05 PM
Are you are self righteous ... like an avenging angel. Odd for an atheist. Archangel Michael would have nothing on you. Racism isn't the real problem, the real problem is humanity, and that will be taken care of eventually. I agree, that distinguishing people based on skin color is stupid. One of our many stupidities. You simply want to genocide an idea, and you think you have a better reason than Hitler (he wanted to exterminate Jewish banking etc).
A bit like Marx wanting to exterminate all imperfect ideas (communism being perfect). But to destroy an idea, you have to kill the people too. Lenin, Stalin and Mao understood this. To get rid of Russian or Chinese backwardness (traditional society) you had to exterminate a lot of people. And this is futile, because the idea will constantly re-arise even without mis-parenting or corrupt society. Lincoln had no such illusions himself.
A Salafist Muslim and you ... would seem to agree on puritanism. In their case, anything not Sunni Fundie, is evil, and must be eliminated, at any cost.
There you go--foaming at the mouth again. You jump to more conclusions than a drunken frog. I witness real racism as a child and now I'm an avenging angel. Okay. But I'd rather be an avenging Bugs Bunny. Rattle on, my friend, rattle on.
QuoteBut do you have to carry this 50 years into your future?
There is no choice. I am much younger than Mike, but I feel like I can relate; when I was about 14, I watched a truck drag an African American down main street (pretty much the only "street" in a town of about 3000). That's not a choice of if I want that to be part of my identity; there are some things that stay with you no matter what. I spent my first 15 years surrounded by extremely prejudiced people, against both African Americans and other minorities... some of which I belonged to without them knowing. I had my last name changed when I was around 5 to avoid bullying and to be assumed as white... again, that's not something I can "choose" to carry with me, that
is what makes me, me.
And like Mike, I think this
has to be carried into the future, it's not something you can just pick and choose like, "Do I want chicken or beef today?" or, "What is my favorite sports team?". When people are actively being at least heavily discriminated against, at worst killed as public spectacles, it takes a really morally bankrupt person to say, "Meh.".
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2017, 04:34:24 PM
There is no choice. I am much younger than Mike, but I feel like I can relate; when I was about 14, I watched a truck drag an African American down main street (pretty much the only "street" in a town of about 3000). That's not a choice of if I want that to be part of my identity; there are some things that stay with you no matter what. I spent my first 15 years surrounded by extremely prejudiced people, against both African Americans and other minorities... some of which I belonged to without them knowing. I had my last name changed when I was around 5 to avoid bullying and to be assumed as white... again, that's not something I can "choose" to carry with me, that is what makes me, me.
And like Mike, I think this has to be carried into the future, it's not something you can just pick and choose like, "Do I want chicken or beef today?" or, "What is my favorite sports team?". When people are actively being at least heavily discriminated against, at worst killed as public spectacles, it takes a really morally bankrupt person to say, "Meh.".
If one is unhappy being an ape person, then you will always be unhappy. So, you were in that Texas town where they did that horrific murder of the retarded Black man, who wasn't hurting anyone? Or you claiming you were in the street watching it happen? I believe it actually happened on a rural road. That is a bad town to be in. Mara gangsters did the same thing to a girlfriend who snitched on them, on the highway S of Denver, several years later. Are you gong to make war on Central America ... or just Red Necks? And yes, I have always passed as White ... so I won't ever have the experience of being unavoidably discriminated against ... at least most places in the US. Though technically, in the South, as Jewish, I don't count as White. So I keep my yarmulka to myself.
You, Mike et al are "most likely to join a Left-wing version of ISIS" award winners. He is older and White, so has less excuse. Younger people tend to be radical, until they burn it out of their system.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
You, Mike et al are "most likely to join a Left-wing version of ISIS" award winners. He is older and White, so has less excuse. Younger people tend to be radical, until they burn it out of their system.
Well, it does seem that that foam coming from you mouth is mostly made up of shit. You have no idea what I'd do or what I'd join. You love to make these sweeping generalizations and then apply them to specific people. And yet you suggest we are all unique. I guess you think you are uniquely gifted and can see into the mind of everybody you want to.
I don't think being morally opposed to people being executed for being black is a large indicator of being a potential violent radical.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 09:41:22 PM
Well, it does seem that that foam coming from you mouth is mostly made up of shit. You have no idea what I'd do or what I'd join. You love to make these sweeping generalizations and then apply them to specific people. And yet you suggest we are all unique. I guess you think you are uniquely gifted and can see into the mind of everybody you want to.
KKK ... filled with hate. Mike ... filled with hate? If so, you are more similar than you let on. And I am only basing any observation, on your own words.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 13, 2017, 10:27:27 PM
I don't think being morally opposed to people being executed for being black is a large indicator of being a potential violent radical.
Agreed. And if you oppose all execution .. good for you. Overly violent police are ... bad. But demonstrations are orchestrated, sometimes by the very forces that the demonstrators oppose (false flag) in order to create an incident. Now I am not opposed to all demonstrations ... but I do urge caution both for participants, opponents and passers by. Or would y'all want a repeat of Kent State? There are people who would love to do that again. Please don't encourage them.
Sometimes, baruch, I wonder what the fuck you are talking about. and by "sometimes" I mean all the time.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 13, 2017, 11:42:22 PM
Sometimes, baruch, I wonder what the fuck you are talking about. and by "sometimes" I mean all the time.
This time, Pickled, he was suggesting that the white supremacists were rounded up and sent there by the Democrats to be able to use the resulting bad press against Trump. The Repubs and Trump were simply set up.
I lived in Massachussets til 9, Lived in Virginia til 13. moved to MD til 18, where I left for college.
In Mass, I had had a few black friends and we never thought about it much. I, VA we lived in a totally white neighborhood. I really didn't think much about THAT at the time either. We had a Black maid because that was expected at the time. After a few months, Mom said that had to stop.
She knew it was awkward. The woman needed the job. But Mom just couldn't stand the symbolic slavery. and we kids always thought the situation was weird.
We moved to northern MD after that and learned to do our housework to help out. Thts the better path...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 13, 2017, 11:42:22 PM
Sometimes, baruch, I wonder what the fuck you are talking about. and by "sometimes" I mean all the time.
Where you there, in the 60s. It never went away. There are only trees .. the forest is just a conspiracy theory.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 11:45:52 PM
This time, Pickled, he was suggesting that the white supremacists were rounded up and sent there by the Democrats to be able to use the resulting bad press against Trump. The Repubs and Trump were simply set up.
Possible, unless they are triple agents, not double agents. You think CIA wasn't involved with Kent State etc?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 14, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
I lived in Massachussets til 9, Lived in Virginia til 13. moved to MD til 18, where I left for college.
In Mass, I had had a few black friends and we never thought about it much. I, VA we lived in a totally white neighborhood. I really didn't think much about THAT at the time either. We had a Black maid because that was expected at the time. After a few months, Mom said that had to stop.
She knew it was awkward. The woman needed the job. But Mom just couldn't stand the symbolic slavery. and we kids always thought the situation was weird.
We moved to northern MD after that and learned to do our housework to help out. Thts the better path...
Good for your mom. But if she was SJW, when would have volunteered to go work as a maid for a Black family. Payback. Or do you think that all domestic work is slavery?
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 11:45:52 PM
This time, Pickled, he was suggesting that the white supremacists were rounded up and sent there by the Democrats to be able to use the resulting bad press against Trump. The Repubs and Trump were simply set up.
Tbh, Mike, I stopped reading his posts for the most part and don't care what he writes. He has discredited himself in my opinion with how incoherent he consistently is.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 14, 2017, 09:47:31 AM
Tbh, Mike, I stopped reading his posts for the most part and don't care what he writes. He has discredited himself in my opinion with how incoherent he consistently is.
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He does tend to flail about a lot of the time. I usually read his posts, but I don't take them too seriously.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2017, 05:28:20 AM
I bet she isn't as religious as you think. Few politicians are.
Yeah, according to Aristotle,
QuoteA tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.
Quote from: aitm on August 12, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
she could be the perfect person for several positions.
(http://i.imgur.com/vuvjUh8.gif)
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 13, 2017, 01:58:29 PM
I am what I am (says Popeye
Yeah, but he was quoting Yahweh...
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 14, 2017, 03:25:27 PM
Yeah, but he was quoting Yahweh...
Welll................Popeye 'could' be Jewish---couldn't he???????
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 14, 2017, 05:02:56 PM
Welll................Popeye 'could' be Jewish---couldn't he???????
Spinach is definitely kosher ... but Jonah proves that Jews aren't sailors ;-)
Yeah, neither was this guy:
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I guess that Odysseus didn't want to respond to the call of the police sirens ;-)
No, I think Trump has NO actual beliefs, neither religious nor atheist. He believes just in himself and his internal self-protecting thoughts.
I think he lives in an internal loop in his mind.
He plays through it so constantly that, when he actually speaks, it has gone around in his mind hundreds of times. So when he actually speaks, he is just unspooling what has been in his sick brain for decades of repetition.
Now here's something to REALLY think about.
When Trump read the statement that his staff and advisors pushed him to make about the neo-nazis and White Sumpremists being wrong, he hated that. And when freed to lecture reportors the next day, he really said what he thought. That there was an "alt-left" just like the alt right nazis!
And worse, his staff admitted that he was only saying in support of the alt-right what he had said to them all in private and only was in trouble "because he said what he believed".
Get over THAT!
So like George W, you know what a national leader is thinking, by looking into their eyes? There was an old movie "The President's Analyst" ... a comic thriller where the CIA and KGB both worked against Ma Bell ... who was the real enemy.
Yeah, I guess those who oppose hate and bigotry are just as bad as those who espouse hate and bigotry - at least in Chump's mind.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 18, 2017, 06:58:46 PM
Yeah, I guess those who oppose hate and bigotry are just as bad as those who espouse hate and bigotry - at least in Chump's mind.
I don't see him as a paragon of clear thinking. On the other hand, I think that I have to equivocate on just about anything ... there are times when it is appropriate to fear, to hate, and to kill. Bigotry not so much. There are two kinds of people ... those I hate and those I don't. So which group do I belong to?
There are two kinds of people in the world - those who divide the world into two kinds of people and those who don't.
I think Hillary would make a better pastor than Trump makes a president, though she would also have made a better president than him too.
Quote from: Sorginak on August 19, 2017, 11:50:30 PM
I think Hillary would make a better pastor than Trump makes a president, though she would also have made a better president than him too.
Jesus would make a better Jew than either of us ... but that doesn't count for much.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
Jesus would make a better Jew than either of us ... but that doesn't count for much.
It counts for the fact that Jesus is not real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXrVu1QaMDA&t=0s
As always, I will say a picture or video without comment seems a bit weak.
But Trump lives in his own mind on imagined video and thought loops (which is why he can speak so easily his crazy thoughts). He lives the looped thoughts of how to respond to attackers so much in his mind so much, all he needs to do is actually say his repeated thoughts.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 12:42:37 AM
Jesus would make a better Jew than either of us ... but that doesn't count for much.
Especially since Jesus is a fiction, and as far as I can tell, Jews do exist.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 20, 2017, 11:12:42 AM
Especially since Jesus is a fiction, and as far as I can tell, Jews do exist.
Yeah, I've never seen any proof that Jesus even existed. Annoys christians to no end. I doubt the jews care. Probably would bother the Moslems too since they consider him a prophet.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 11:33:22 AM
Yeah, I've never seen any proof that Jesus even existed. Annoys christians to no end. I doubt the jews care. Probably would bother the Moslems too since they consider him a prophet.
Yes, Salafists would cut your head off for denying any prophet they acknowledge, not just denying Muhammad. And no, only Jewish apologists trying to defend Jews from Christians, care what Christians think. I don't think Jesus was historical. The most important memes never are. Moses wasn't either.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:24:02 PM
Yes, Salafists would cut your head off for denying any prophet they acknowledge, not just denying Muhammad. And no, only Jewish apologists trying to defined Jews from Christians, care what Christians think. I don't think Jesus was historical. The most important memes never are.
If all deities were understood to be merely memes by a large majority of the population, I wouldn't be here...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:26:11 PM
If all deities were understood to be merely memes by a large majority of the population, I wouldn't be here...
No you wouldn't ... like a fairy tale grown long in the tooth the grownups disbelief would vanish you ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 03:28:30 PM
No you wouldn't ... like a fairy tale grown long in the tooth the grownups disbelief would vanish you ;-)
Nice jest, but I'm serious. If I didn't consider rampant theism to be the worst threat to humanity, I would be posting at a race or ethnicity site. not here.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 03:51:02 PM
Nice jest, but I'm serious. If I didn't consider rampant theism to be the worst threat to humanity, I would be posting at a race or ethnicity site. not here.
I prefer you here. Posting aggressively at a race or ethnicity site .. would be triggering, as in guys with guns. I visit a few to see how the nut cases are coming .. but I never post there.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:13:32 PM
I prefer you here. Posting aggressively at a race or ethnicity site .. would be triggering, as in guys with guns. I visit a few to see how the nut cases are coming .. but I never post there.
You don't think theists have guns? They even have GOD on their side.
Anyone who claims that God is on their side is extremely dangerous. Especially those with modern weapons at hand.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 20, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
Anyone who claims that God is on their side is extremely dangerous. Especially those with modern weapons at hand.
Especially if they work for Zeus. They better not touch my woman!
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 20, 2017, 04:27:48 PM
Anyone who claims that God is on their side is extremely dangerous. Especially those with modern weapons at hand.
Indeed, that is the danger of them. No fear of death and free to send us all along the path they seek... "Let God sort them out..." That's what *I* fear...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Indeed, that is the danger of them. No fear of death and free to send us all along the path they seek... "Let God sort them out..." That's what *I* fear...
You are correct to fear that. That belief, combined with adequate resources, makes them unstoppable. Morale too high for their own good. This is why Osama thought he was the next Sultan.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2017, 04:36:43 PM
You are correct to fear that. That belief, combined with adequate resources, makes them unstoppable. Morale too high for their own good. This is why Osama thought he was the next Sultan.
Must one bring down Hell on Earth, to avoid Hell on Earth?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2017, 04:38:12 PM
Must one bring down Hell on Earth, to avoid Hell on Earth?
Story of the 20th century, and that is the 1st World. The 3rd World is even more serious about that.
What's the 2nd world?
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 21, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
What's the 2nd world?
Used to be the Communist block. But they got the capitalist religion and joined the 1st world, mostly. We now agree to screw the 3rd world in the same ways, not opposite ways. Menage a trois, but both from the same end.
Quote from: Baruch on August 21, 2017, 07:10:12 PM
Used to be the Communist block. But they got the capitalist religion and joined the 1st world, mostly. We now agree to screw the 3rd world in the same ways, not opposite ways. Menage a trois, but both from the same end.
Too much of the world is going to the robber barons on the 2000's. It used to happen in nations, now it has gone international. The sci-fi dystopia is becoming real and it is the mercantalists who will bring it.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 05:53:04 AM
Too much of the world is going to the robber barons on the 2000's. It used to happen in nations, now it has gone international. The sci-fi dystopia is becoming real and it is the mercantalists who will bring it.
In this case, you do know too much. Rapacious mercantilism brought about the British East Indies company and the British West Indies company, and comparable corporations elsewhere. That and Alexander Hamilton making the US into a capitalist juggernaut.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 08:29:44 AM
In this case, you do know too much. Rapacious mercantilism brought about the British East Indies company and the British West Indies company, and comparable corporations elsewhere. That and Alexander Hamilton making the US into a capitalist juggernaut.
No, national mercantilism was one thing, and you could leave. When it becomes international, where is there to go?
And besides, The Brits nor Hamilton weren't the inventors of it.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 01:47:25 PM
No, national mercantilism was one thing, and you could leave. When it becomes international, where is there to go?
And besides, The Brits nor Hamilton weren't the inventors of it.
US dollar dominance is the continuation of British pound dominance prior to that. The British pound got old and tired and is resisting a shotgun wedding to Ms Euro.
One of the psychologies of the Roman Empire, compared to prior situations, was that it was almost impossible to escape it. Jews tried and failed, so we gave up and joined it ... as executive consultants ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 03:31:57 PM
US dollar dominance is the continuation of British pound dominance prior to that. The British pound got old and tired and is resisting a shotgun wedding to Ms Euro.
One of the psychologies of the Roman Empire, compared to prior situations, was that it was almost impossible to escape it. Jews tried and failed, so we gave up and joined it ... as executive consultants ;-)
Logically, the Jews under Roman control should have just moved to Persia where they were more tolerated. But, wait, their book said the dirt they lived on was sacred. Dumbasses...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 26, 2017, 04:24:19 PM
Logically, the Jews under Roman control should have just moved to Persia where they were more tolerated. But, wait, their book said the dirt they lived on was sacred. Dumbasses...
Smart Jews stayed in Iraq or Persia instead of going back to Judea, to begin with. Some of us are still there. Others would say that Persian agents put us up to ... revolt ... to use us to harm the Romans, a traditional Persian enemy.
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2017, 07:42:33 PM
Smart Jews stayed in Iraq or Persia instead of going back to Judea, to begin with. Some of us are still there. Others would say that Persian agents put us up to ... revolt ... to use us to harm the Romans, a traditional Persian enemy.
US? Interesting. Well, jews always were revolting...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 02:08:15 AM
US? Interesting. Well, jews always were revolting...
Yes, we enjoy our freedom. And are usually too few to oppress others, though like Hertz, we try harder.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 07:08:15 AM
Yes, we enjoy our freedom. And are usually too few to oppress others, though like Hertz, we try harder.
Well, for what it is worth, my best friends in my teens and later were jewish. The christians always tried to convert me. Really was annoying.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 09:27:27 AM
Well, for what it is worth, my best friends in my teens and later were jewish. The christians always tried to convert me. Really was annoying.
It is un-Jewish to impose like that. In fact, Orthodox Jews try to dissuade Gentiles who volunteer. The first evangelical faith was Buddhism ... then Christianity ... then Islam. Evangelicalism and monasticism came into Christianity from Buddhism.
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 01:07:38 PM
It is un-Jewish to impose like that. In fact, Orthodox Jews try to dissuade Gentiles who volunteer. The first evangelical faith was Buddhism ... then Christianity ... then Islam. Evangelicalism and monasticism came into Christianity from Buddhism.
Yeah, I almost joined The Ethical Society for a woman I was VERY interested in. For honorable and permanent intent.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2017, 02:45:31 PM
Yeah, I almost joined The Ethical Society for a woman I was VERY interested in. For honorable and permanent intent.
Generally you fall for someone's projections. If they say I give to "The Society to Promote Childhood" you know they are a baby eater ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on August 31, 2017, 09:21:39 PM
Generally you fall for someone's projections. If they say I give to "The Society to Promote Childhood" you know they are a baby eater ;-(
That is an entirely different thing, as you should well know. That's "astro-turfing"...