The third wave feminist is very vocal about patriarchy, misogyny and male supremacy.
What groups have those "qualities" enshrined in their cultures, religions, customs?
Are they mentioning any of those groups? No.
Africa, Central, Latin America, Asia, South Asia, Far east, China?
Not many feminist there.
No. It is in the USA, Canada. Then just the white males.
Funny that.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 05:25:47 AM
The third wave feminist is very vocal about patriarchy, misogyny and male supremacy.
What groups have those "qualities" enshrined in their cultures, religions, customs?
Are they mentioning any of those groups? No.
Africa, Central, Latin America, Asia, South Asia, Far east, China?
Not many feminist there.
No. It is in the USA, Canada. Then just the white males.
Funny that.
I can only speak for Americans. We tried to be gentlemen about it, but we became cucks instead. Women are radical in many ways, since getting the vote in 1920, and temporarily stopping alcohol. Our jihad against tobacco and other things ... PC too, do come out of the woman led temperance movement. Hysteria, literally. Leading women in the US, are Cultural Marxists, but most men here are fellow travelers. I was married to one. I thought a progressive woman would make for a progressive marriage, instead of a crazy marriage. I no longer believe in progress. I now dismiss liberalism out of hand. Good job, feminists. And most women are passive advocates ... just like you mention regarding most Muslims. Women just want a hive of sterile females led by a Queen .. oh, that is more like Britain, isn't it?
Their definitions are Leftist .. that racism is only possible in the West, because it isn't racism unless there is State power behind it. It has nothing to do with bigotry, only has to do with systematic Statist oppression. And like you say, they only oppose Statist oppression, if a White male is doing it. And that is bigotry.
Feminists are women who hate themselves or hate men, or hate both. They are disturbed individuals. Male fellow travelers hate men also, but love women. These are the cucks of the matriarchy. I have no use for any of them anymore. You are to love women and love men both, otherwise you are a sociopath. I am still working on myself, on not being a cuck, on not being a sociopath. I find it easy to love women and hate men ... Oedipus complex.
This is always interesting, listening to men talk about how feminists are and what we think. Oh please, do go on, Baruch.
:popcorn:
QuoteI can only speak for Americans. We tried to be gentlemen about it, but we became cucks instead. Women are radical in many ways, since getting the vote in 1920, and temporarily stopping alcohol. Our jihad against tobacco and other things ... PC too, do come out of the woman led temperance movement. Hysteria, literally. Leading women in the US, are Cultural Marxists, but most men here are fellow travelers. I was married to one. I thought a progressive woman would make for a progressive marriage, instead of a crazy marriage. I no longer believe in progress. I now dismiss liberalism out of hand. Good job, feminists. And most women are passive advocates ... just like you mention regarding most Muslims. Women just want a hive of sterile females led by a Queen .. oh, that is more like Britain, isn't it?
Their definitions are Leftist .. that racism is only possible in the West, because it isn't racism unless there is State power behind it. It has nothing to do with bigotry, only has to do with systematic Statist oppression. And like you say, they only oppose Statist oppression, if a White male is doing it. And that is bigotry.
Feminists are women who hate themselves or hate men, or hate both. They are disturbed individuals. Male fellow travelers hate men also, but love women. These are the cucks of the matriarchy. I have no use for any of them anymore. You are to love women and love men both, otherwise you are a sociopath. I am still working on myself, on not being a cuck, on not being a sociopath. I find it easy to love women and hate men ... Oedipus complex.
/quote]
Oh, and you forgot dykes. Feminists either hate men, hate themselves, or are dykes. Right?
Feminism comes from Marxist professors at women studies, gender studies in universities.
In one word: indoctrination.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zIiPm0dsEA
Really? Isn't it possible that feminists don't all have exactly the same philosophies, and that there is a continuum of these philosophies?
Oh, but we're all naive, entitled, privileged girls right? Women don't have any gender problems, sexism is over.
Why do feminist not fight for the rights of women in the world who really need it?
Like the systematic oppression, abuse, and beating of Muslim women who are treated as property since the middle ages?
Who must wear hijabs, burka or niqab lest being severely punished or even killed?
Whom are punished, sometimes stoned for being raped - often by a family member?
Girls who are not allowed basic education in some countries.
Women who are not allowed to drive a car?
Child marriages, forced marriages?
Hmmmm?
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 09:25:11 AM
Really? Isn't it possible that feminists don't all have exactly the same philosophies, and that there is a continuum of these philosophies?
Oh, but we're all naive, entitled, privileged girls right? Women don't have any gender problems, sexism is over.
I thought you had penis envy....damn...I can never find any woman with penis envy so I can show her mine......
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
Why do feminist not fight for the rights of women in the world who really need it?
Like the systematic oppression, abuse, and beating of Muslim women who are treated as property since the middle ages?
Who must wear hijabs, burka or niqab lest being severely punished or even killed?
Whom are punished, sometimes stoned for being raped - often by a family member?
Girls who are not allowed basic education in some countries.
Women who are not allowed to drive a car?
Child marriages, forced marriages?
Hmmmm?
This is a complete falsehood.
Quote from: aitm on August 05, 2017, 09:46:36 AM
I thought you had penis envy....damn...I can never find any woman with penis envy so I can show her mine......
That, too. I mean, peeing your name in the snow...who the hell wouldn't want to be able to do that?
To say that all feminists are one thing or another is a blind way to look at the male/female roles in our society or any society. Actually the word 'feminist' is a disservice to what most feminists want--equality. The way 'feminists' are looked at and regarded smacks of the way the South looked at slaves; slavery was the natural way of things, even the bible supported it (and still does). The bible also supports patriarchy. patriarchy has been the way of the world for thousands of years. It has become institutionalized around the world, with organized religion one of the worst offenders. How else can patriarch be overcome or changed except by organizations who strive for that goal--the goal of equal treatment in all aspects of life? The USA is very very good at blaming the victim--especially if the victim is a woman. So, if a woman thinks she deserves fair treatment, and does not buy into the patriarchal way of things, then she is a bitch, a witch, a trouble maker, deserves what she gets, and on and on. Our society regards them as uppity bitches, sort of like how the South regarded slaves who wanted to be free. It's easy to slap a single label on a movement and that makes it easier to brand all women with the same view, reaction, thoughts, desires and wishes as all others--and to then brand 'feminists' as wrong minded and controlling. The label 'feminist' is actually meaningless since there is not one single true 'feminist', but a whole spectrum of what they are and who they are and what they want.
I learned the position of women in our society from my grandfather back in the '50's. He often remarked on how much harder women have life than men. As I aged and looked around, I found I agreed with him. And I watched how he treated my grandmother. They were a team, and each worked in that team in the manner than made the final goal--a good life--work best. They were not 'kind' to each other so much as they were fair with one another. They did not assume either had a specific roll, but worked to complete whatever task was to be completed as a team, each doing what they did best. My mother was raised by them and from her I learned what a strong and competent woman could be. As a father of a girl I had a hard task fighting the typical model of what a young girl, and later teen girl, was supposed to look like, act like and think like. Now she is a competent, fair minded woman who has to make her way in our male dominated society--and she does a good job of it. She is a 'feminist' in the sense that she strives to be fair with all--male and female. It is difficult because this society is clearly patriarchal, and likes to extract it's pound of flesh from those who buck that system.
So, I guess you could say I am a male feminist. In the sense I think all should be treated in a fair manner, I gladly accept that label. But I prefer to think that I am simply fair minded.
Mermaid wrote:QuoteThis is a complete falsehood.
Please elaborate. What is falsehood?
The conditions of Muslim women or that the feminist do actually fight for Muslim women's rights?
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 10:26:02 AM
Mermaid wrote:Please elaborate. What is falsehood?
The conditions of Muslim women or that the feminist do actually fight for Muslim women's rights?
That feminists ignore these injustices worldwide.
To paint all feminists with such a broad and angry brush is just not fact-based.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 10:30:47 AM
That feminists ignore these injustices worldwide.
To paint all feminists with such a broad and angry brush is just not fact-based.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
I have not read about feminist standing up for Muslim women's oppression.
That would be Islamophobic.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 10:45:44 AM
Do you have any evidence to support your claim?
I have not read about feminist standing up for Muslim women's oppression.
That would be Islamophobic.
Well....I am a feminist, and I am disgusted with patriarchal religions. Is that evidence?
The principle behind your claim that anything against oppressive religious practices of muslims would be "islamophobic" is SHEER hypocrisy.
People must be free to practice whatever religion they see fit, or lack thereof. Forcing your beliefs on others, whether it be atheism, Christianity, Islam, etc, is wrong. THAT is the key. You can't dictate to people what is correct and what isn't.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 08:24:03 AM
This is always interesting, listening to men talk about how feminists are and what we think. Oh please, do go on, Baruch.
:popcorn:
QuoteI can only speak for Americans. We tried to be gentlemen about it, but we became cucks instead. Women are radical in many ways, since getting the vote in 1920, and temporarily stopping alcohol. Our jihad against tobacco and other things ... PC too, do come out of the woman led temperance movement. Hysteria, literally. Leading women in the US, are Cultural Marxists, but most men here are fellow travelers. I was married to one. I thought a progressive woman would make for a progressive marriage, instead of a crazy marriage. I no longer believe in progress. I now dismiss liberalism out of hand. Good job, feminists. And most women are passive advocates ... just like you mention regarding most Muslims. Women just want a hive of sterile females led by a Queen .. oh, that is more like Britain, isn't it?
Their definitions are Leftist .. that racism is only possible in the West, because it isn't racism unless there is State power behind it. It has nothing to do with bigotry, only has to do with systematic Statist oppression. And like you say, they only oppose Statist oppression, if a White male is doing it. And that is bigotry.
Feminists are women who hate themselves or hate men, or hate both. They are disturbed individuals. Male fellow travelers hate men also, but love women. These are the cucks of the matriarchy. I have no use for any of them anymore. You are to love women and love men both, otherwise you are a sociopath. I am still working on myself, on not being a cuck, on not being a sociopath. I find it easy to love women and hate men ... Oedipus complex.
/quote]
If you don't hate yourself, or hate men .. then you aren't a feminist. Then you are one of the few normies out theres. I can call my self a Russian-Chinese contortionist, but that doesn't make it so. So no, I wasn't man-splaining. I was human-splaining. In politicized discourse, there is not enough of that. Woman-haters, man-haters, or human-haters ... are sociopaths. They aren't a valid political ideology, they are a psychological pathology. I hope you aren't one of those. I don't have to have every woman as a mother, every woman as a sister, every woman as a daughter ... to know something about women. And I know men all too well. Like I said, my natural position is to hate men ... an I know that is wrong, I am working on it.
Mermaid wrote:QuoteWell....I am a feminist, and I am disgusted with patriarchal religions. Is that evidence?
Not really.
As a feminist, other than being disgusted, what are doing about it? Anything? Nothing?
What I did see was in the women's march - women and a few men tying on hijabs made out of American flags and cheering Linda Sarsour.
Does that count as being supportive to Muslim women's plight?
QuoteIf you don't hate yourself, or hate men .. then you aren't a feminist.
bullshit.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 08:26:06 AM
Oh, and you forgot dykes. Feminists either hate men, hate themselves, or are dykes. Right?
Actually I have no problem with alternative sexualities or alternative genders. One of my best friends at work, is a gay woman who is married to another woman. I can understand people being attracted to women. Being attracted to a man is a little strange to me, but I can give it a pass. I would hope that most gay women ... like women. Alternative kinds of women, aren't a problem, pathology is. Being gay isn't a pathology.
Now one can hypothesize that a masculine woman, hates women ... but I can't draw that conclusion. They actually seem to like other women ;-) If they aren't sexually attracted to men ... well that isn't a problem ... I am not sexually attracted to men, either ;-))
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:05:19 AM
Mermaid wrote:Not really.
As a feminist, other than being disgusted, what are doing about it? Anything? Nothing?
What I did see was in the women's march - women and a few men tying on hijabs made out of American flags and cheering Linda Sarsour.
Does that count as being supportive to Muslim women's plight?
Sure it does. It's not my job to control the religious or sexual practices of other people.
Why do I need to list to you what I am "doing about" oppressive religions in order to be a feminist who supports the rights of anyone to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives?
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:05:54 AM
bullshit.
We agree to disagree. No surprise there. If you voted for Hillary, like many did, I can only feel sorry for your poor political judgement. But I don't hate you. I feel sorry for Trump voters too.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:08:24 AM
We agree to disagree. No surprise there. If you voted for Hillary, like many did, I can only feel sorry for your poor political judgement. But I don't hate you. I feel sorry for Trump voters too.
Wow, you're really smart! So much smarter than me.
Verbally patting me on the head while mansplaining to me about my judgments and how I think, and then telling me you aren't mansplaining is so HOT. I am really turned on.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Sure it does. It's not my job to control the religious or sexual practices of other people.
Why do I need to list to you what I am "doing about" oppressive religions in order to be a feminist who supports the rights of anyone to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives?
I agree with your ... not wanting to control the religion or sexuality of other people ... I agree completely. I don't agree with "their" way of expressing it however ... it is politically anti-social ... like all French Revolutionaries are. Remember, it was the fisher-women who marched on Versailles and seized the royal family. The royal guards didn't do their job.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:11:22 AM
I agree with your ... not wanting to control the religion or sexuality of other people ... I agree completely. I don't agree with "their" way of expressing it however ... it is politically anti-social ... like all French Revolutionaries are. Remember, it was the fisher-women who marched on Versailles and seized the royal family. The royal guards didn't do their job.
None of it is my business.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
Wow, you're really smart! So much smarter than me.
Maybe you voted for Jill Stein. She disappointed me after the election ... just like Bernie disappointed me before the election (but he was robbed, Jill wasn't).
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Sure it does. It's not my job to control the religious or sexual practices of other people.
Why do I need to list to you what I am "doing about" oppressive religions in order to be a feminist who supports the rights of anyone to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives?
But what about the patriarchy? Women's rights? Equality?
Does it only happen with white males?
The rest of the world is someone else's problem?
Who is being a hypocrite here?
This is for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3n-3imtO5Q
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Sure it does. It's not my job to control the religious or sexual practices of other people.
Why do I need to list to you what I am "doing about" oppressive religions in order to be a feminist who supports the rights of anyone to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives?
So Muslims have a right, as non-White non-Christians non-Jews to slaughter everyone who isn't like them, and have a cultural right to oppress women? How liberal of you! On the other hand, I agree that outside our own Western countries, we need to keep our noses out of their business. Otherwise the US has to conquer the world to make things safe for California.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:10:46 AM
Wow, you're really smart! So much smarter than me.
Verbally patting me on the head while mansplaining to me about my judgments and how I think, and then telling me you aren't mansplaining is so HOT. I am really turned on.
Anyone who uses "mansplaining" except as anything other than satire ... is a man-hater. Are you woman-splaining? I got plenty of that earlier in my life.
But what about the patriarchy? Women's rights? Equality?
What about them?
Does it only happen with white males?
No. Hell no.
The rest of the world is someone else's problem?
No. Why?
Who is being a hypocrite here?
Anyone who insists that their way of thinking with regard to religion is the only correct way.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:18:31 AM
Anyone who uses "mansplaining" except as anything other than satire ... is a man-hater. Are you woman-splaining? I got plenty of that earlier in my life.
Yes, I hate men. You got me!
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
But what about the patriarchy? Women's rights? Equality?
Does it only happen with white males?
The rest of the world is someone else's problem?
Who is being a hypocrite here?
If not forcing everyone to be a California San Francisco dyke is being hypocritical, then I am good with hypocrisy, thanks. If the rhetoric (of some) is to force everyone everywhere to conform to their political ideology, but they only apply it to White hetero males ... then yes, that would be hypocrisy. I don't see Mermaid doing that.
Also Left behavior is pre-Marxist. As I pointed out regarding the fisher-women of the French Revolution. Marx tried to theorize an updated French Revolution. Copied Hegel and Rousseau. Never had an original idea he didn't steal from his friend, Engels.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:14:28 AM
But what about the patriarchy? Women's rights? Equality?
Does it only happen with white males?
The rest of the world is someone else's problem?
Who is being a hypocrite here?
You are. What do you think about patriarchy? For you is it simply the way of the world as the world should be? What are you doing to stop the spread of Islam or Muslims? I think you need to account for all that you are doing to justify your life--to justify your stand.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:20:53 AM
Yes, I hate men. You got me!
Sometimes your response is too short, but I realize you are being satirical. Good for you (for being satirical, and not being a man-hater). But I have met some women, for whatever bad thing happened to them in the womb or later ... who hate men. I can understand that ... male proclivities are ... frightening.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 05, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
To say that all feminists are one thing or another is a blind way to look at the male/female roles in our society or any society. Actually the word 'feminist' is a disservice to what most feminists want--equality. The way 'feminists' are looked at and regarded smacks of the way the South looked at slaves; slavery was the natural way of things, even the bible supported it (and still does). The bible also supports patriarchy. patriarchy has been the way of the world for thousands of years. It has become institutionalized around the world, with organized religion one of the worst offenders. How else can patriarch be overcome or changed except by organizations who strive for that goal--the goal of equal treatment in all aspects of life? The USA is very very good at blaming the victim--especially if the victim is a woman. So, if a woman thinks she deserves fair treatment, and does not buy into the patriarchal way of things, then she is a bitch, a witch, a trouble maker, deserves what she gets, and on and on. Our society regards them as uppity bitches, sort of like how the South regarded slaves who wanted to be free. It's easy to slap a single label on a movement and that makes it easier to brand all women with the same view, reaction, thoughts, desires and wishes as all others--and to then brand 'feminists' as wrong minded and controlling. The label 'feminist' is actually meaningless since there is not one single true 'feminist', but a whole spectrum of what they are and who they are and what they want.
I learned the position of women in our society from my grandfather back in the '50's. He often remarked on how much harder women have life than men. As I aged and looked around, I found I agreed with him. And I watched how he treated my grandmother. They were a team, and each worked in that team in the manner than made the final goal--a good life--work best. They were not 'kind' to each other so much as they were fair with one another. They did not assume either had a specific roll, but worked to complete whatever task was to be completed as a team, each doing what they did best. My mother was raised by them and from her I learned what a strong and competent woman could be. As a father of a girl I had a hard task fighting the typical model of what a young girl, and later teen girl, was supposed to look like, act like and think like. Now she is a competent, fair minded woman who has to make her way in our male dominated society--and she does a good job of it. She is a 'feminist' in the sense that she strives to be fair with all--male and female. It is difficult because this society is clearly patriarchal, and likes to extract it's pound of flesh from those who buck that system.
So, I guess you could say I am a male feminist. In the sense I think all should be treated in a fair manner, I gladly accept that label. But I prefer to think that I am simply fair minded.
There is no equality, between individuals, sexes, genders etc ... go back to Paris, you sans-culotte ;-) Being fair is fine ... but nobody agrees on what that means. Egalitarian or Equalitarian. Only the bee hive is equalitarian, except for the Queen of course.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 10:00:47 AM
That, too. I mean, peeing your name in the snow...who the hell wouldn't want to be able to do that?
Some dykes like urinals ... but I don't need to understand that ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 05, 2017, 11:23:29 AM
You are. What do you think about patriarchy? For you is it simply the way of the world as the world should be? What are you doing to stop the spread of Islam or Muslims? I think you need to account for all that you are doing to justify your life--to justify your stand.
I am posting plenty on this forum alone to expose Islam but people just don't want to know.
I have been labeled as a hater, bigot, islamophobe, racist, fascist, no better than Osama Bin Laden plenty of times just for posting on Islam. Quite a few years now actually.
While I am criticizing Islam, it is instantly construed that I am demonizing Muslims.
About patriarchy? I don't oppress women.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:23:46 AM
Sometimes your response is too short, but I realize you are being satirical. Good for you (for being satirical, and not being a man-hater). But I have met some women, for whatever bad thing happened to them in the womb or later ... who hate men. I can understand that ... male proclivities are ... frightening.
There are people of all walks.
I realize my responses are too short. I try really hard to be concise, and frankly I don't have the energy to go into much in depth, I do that all day for work and am also a grad student, so yeah. I am not exactly detailed in my sniping.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
I am posting plenty on this forum alone to expose Islam but people just don't want to know.
I have been labeled as a hater, bigot, islamophobe, racist, fascist, no better than Osama Bin Laden plenty of times just for posting on Islam. Quite a few years now actually.
About patriarchy? I don't oppress women.
Ok! That's great.
Does that mean women aren't oppressed then?
I don't feel like it's my job to educate people on this forum. That kind of thing is usually a waste of energy and time, and the only thing it will do is put people off. Telling people they are wrong and you are right usually has that effect. You can catch more flies with honey and all that.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
There is no equality, between individuals, sexes, genders etc ... go back to Paris, you sans-culotte ;-) Being fair is fine ... but nobody agrees on what that means. Egalitarian or Equalitarian. Only the bee hive is equalitarian, except for the Queen of course.
A really really good start is to believe the oppressed when they tell you things. Or at the very least, listen to them.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
I am posting plenty on this forum alone to expose Islam but people just don't want to know.
I have been labeled as a hater, bigot, islamophobe, racist, fascist, no better than Osama Bin Laden plenty of times just for posting on Islam. Quite a few years now actually.
While I am criticizing Islam, it is instantly construed that I am demonizing Muslims.
About patriarchy? I don't oppress women.
I pay attention to you. You bring of ideological points. You bring up history. I understand Islam at least as well as you do. And perhaps it is unfair to ascribe bigotry to your choice of expression or choice of web links. Even I am not sure, some of the time.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:53:24 AM
Ok! That's great.
Does that mean women aren't oppressed then?
I don't feel like it's my job to educate people on this forum. That kind of thing is usually a waste of energy and time, and the only thing it will do is put people off. Telling people they are wrong and you are right usually has that effect. You can catch more flies with honey and all that.
Sorry. I don't keep honey. Diabetes and all that. Also, I don't need flies.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
A really really good start is to believe the oppressed when they tell you things. Or at the very least, listen to them.
My opposition isn't to the lived facts, or the impressions people get for themselves from that. I object to the politics (most all politics in fact). When people say "Feminism" they are usually discussing politics. And yes, life isn't fair, and I don't like that either. If my magic fairy wand was powered by more than a hearing aide battery, I would change that ... but I doubt anyone other than me would like the result.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Sorry. I don't keep honey. Diabetes and all that. Also, I don't need flies.
Without a fly, it is hard to use a urinal. Many women's pants have no fly, or a zipper on the side or in back. More patriarchal oppression! Mustn't let the women use the men's urinal!!
Very droll.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 10:30:47 AM
That feminists ignore these injustices worldwide.
To paint all feminists with such a broad and angry brush is just not fact-based.
oh no feminists do indeed support it. They pretend that wearing burqa is empowering to women in the middle east instead of a symbol of oppression.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUVWVBrPsTM
Its sooooo trendy.
Munch wrote:Quoteoh no feminists do indeed support it. They pretend that wearing burqa is empowering to women in the middle east instead of a symbol of oppression.
Pretend? I don't think so. They actually believe that.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Sorry. I don't keep honey. Diabetes and all that. Also, I don't need flies.
Quote from: Munch on August 05, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
oh no feminists do indeed support it. They pretend that wearing burqa is empowering to women in the middle east instead of a symbol of oppression.
Actually listening to feminists is not any fun. You'd rather puke up the carefully selected items you see online because it suits your line of crap.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 12:25:06 PM
Munch wrote:Pretend? I don't think so. They actually believe that.
See, here's the thing. No.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 12:38:51 PM
See, here's the thing. No.
Are you speaking for all feminist?
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 12:41:23 PM
Are you speaking for all feminist?
Neither are you. That's the thing.
Possibly.
But I would like to see evidence to the contrary. So far I have seen none.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
Possibly.
But I would like to see evidence to the contrary. So far I have seen none.
You are making broadly false statements with such authority. You don't seem like you even want to listen to women about feminism. Have you actually seen NO evidence that feminists don't embrace oppressive religious practices like FGM, burqas, and child marriages? It's out there. Look harder.
I am looking. I let you know when I find it.
Meanwhile, can you point to one?
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
There is no equality, between individuals, sexes, genders etc ... go back to Paris, you sans-culotte ;-) Being fair is fine ... but nobody agrees on what that means. Egalitarian or Equalitarian. Only the bee hive is equalitarian, except for the Queen of course.
To knit pick, I agree, there is no equality. We are all unique; therefore, not equal. Like you, I like the word 'fair' better than 'equal'. And not even the bee hive is equalitarian--ask drone, or the workers, or the attendants to the queen or the queen. And not any bees are equal, for they are each unique as well. In fact, nothing about nature suggests anything or any one is equal. Nor is nature fair. Fair is a human construct; but one that is worth to be attempted. If that is so, then one sex cannot be better than the other (or the other and the other................). The sexes cannot ever be equal, but there can be a fairness about how each are treated and regarded.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 12:41:23 PM
Are you speaking for all feminist?
Are you? Are you really so shallow that you cannot tell the differences between feminists????
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
Possibly.
But I would like to see evidence to the contrary. So far I have seen none.
Well, open you stupid fucking eyes, do a web search and read to your heart's content. Do you own work!
The problem is that you have feminists that communicate shitty man-hating bullshit and they are so publicly visible and they get most of the press. It gets to the point that the man-hater-feminist rhetoric becomes a huge part of what feminism is identified as.
It also doesn't help that incoherent guys like pr make ridiculous arguments, overgeneralizing what they are as well.
Yes, there are a massive amount of man-hating feminists that use feminism as a vehicle for their man-hating. A lot of that rhetoric is just garbage and nonsense dribble. But as much of a high percentage it seems to be, it does not properly represent what the actual percentage is that is man-hating. It's still pretty high, from my experience, but it's not nearly as high as what people like pr make it out to be.
Luckily for feminists, whether they like it or not, Laci Green has started being constructive about her outlook. Actually talking to people that have even the slightest difference in opinion than her. Since she is a major player in the current feminist movement, non-feminists have started to realize that "not all feminists are "man-haters".... although, a lot of feminists have gotten pissed at her for even discussing concepts with other people.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 05, 2017, 01:34:01 PM
Are you? Are you really so shallow that you cannot tell the differences between feminists????
How long have you been on this forum? Of course he won't.... well, he might, but his web search algorithms are so fucked up right now, that it wouldn't make a difference. Not to mention that he's probably search in the way of "why i am right and feminists are wrong"
Watch. pr is going to "prove" to us his point. Get ready for that Brietbart link, guys!!!
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 05, 2017, 01:44:28 PM
How long have you been on this forum? Of course he won't.... well, he might, but his web search algorithms are so fucked up right now, that it wouldn't make a difference. Not to mention that he's probably search in the way of "why i am right and feminists are wrong"
Right, Pickled. I did and do, realize he is only hot air and attempts to 'prove' nothing. He likes to bluster.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 05, 2017, 01:51:50 PM
Right, Pickled. I did and do, realize he is only hot air and attempts to 'prove' nothing. He likes to bluster.
It's not a bluster. It's like a wet fart.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
I am looking. I let you know when I find it.
Meanwhile, can you point to one?
One? Sure.
http://www.feminist.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 01:26:36 PM
I am looking. I let you know when I find it.
Meanwhile, can you point to one?
If you have to look so hard, you're probably wrong.
I don't think some obscure geocities or angelfire site is going to be proper evidence of your claim
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 05, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
If you have to look so hard, you're probably wrong.
I don't think some obscure geocities or angelfire site is going to be proper evidence of your claim
I criticize other people's URLs too ... but "my URL is better than your URL" is so much like proof-texting by the 2nd Baptist Church vs the 1st Baptist Church.
Quote from: Baruch on August 06, 2017, 12:40:10 AM
I criticize other people's URLs too ... but "my URL is better than your URL" is so much like proof-texting by the 2nd Baptist Church vs the 1st Baptist Church.
not when the other url is from some back-corner of the web, like pr tends to find for us
Quote from: Mermaid on August 05, 2017, 10:56:12 AM
Well....I am a feminist, and I am disgusted with patriarchal religions. Is that evidence?
The principle behind your claim that anything against oppressive religious practices of muslims would be "islamophobic" is SHEER hypocrisy.
People must be free to practice whatever religion they see fit, or lack thereof. Forcing your beliefs on others, whether it be atheism, Christianity, Islam, etc, is wrong. THAT is the key. You can't dictate to people what is correct and what isn't.
So do you like matriarchal religions? Are those any better than patriarchal ones? Religion is religion... All silly and anti-human.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 02:27:40 AM
So do you like matriarchal religions? Are those any better than patriarchal ones? Religion is religion... All silly and anti-human.
Do matriarchal religions exist? I would love to be a fly on the wall for that. :)
Quote from: Mermaid on August 06, 2017, 09:45:38 AM
Do matriarchal religions exist? I would love to be a fly on the wall for that. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVaazLWcfDU
For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear ... but man haters don't.
Of course matriarchy and patriarchy are both tyranny ... so both are wrong.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 06, 2017, 09:45:38 AM
Do matriarchal religions exist? I would love to be a fly on the wall for that. :)
Well, I was thinking historically, and some remnants exist today. Wiccan mostly, but there are some herbalist tradititions that come from similar foundations. I've met some very strange people in my life. And I am a fond reader of 'Clan Of The Cave Bear'. I have my handle for a reason...
Ah, yes, that was a great book, actually.
People are weird.
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People are weird.
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Indeed, indeed!!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 11:02:11 AM
Well, I was thinking historically, and some remnants exist today. Wiccan mostly, but there are some herbalist tradititions that come from similar foundations. I've met some very strange people in my life. And I am a fond reader of 'Clan Of The Cave Bear'. I have my handle for a reason...
Still decorating your cave walls with hand-prints? The caves were for the separate men's hunting religion. Women had their own, and it was taboo to cross boundaries. But no doubt an early woman was behind every "great" early man, usually his mother ;-) It was monotheism that forced men and women to worship together, creating unnecessary conflict, though we worshipped in separate sections, as the mosque still does. And in early churches, it was the wealthy and powerful that had pews up front, the rest of us had to stand. Wealthy families owned their own pew, they paid for it. In early synagogue and church, women weren't on the ground floor, but were exiled to the mezzanine.
Quote from: Mermaid on August 06, 2017, 11:57:36 AM
Ah, yes, that was a great book, actually.
People are weird.
When we first got internet service in the office in the early 90s, the first term I looked up was "atheist". The 2nd was "Ayla". I spent more time at the 2nd. The first forum I visited discussed the Clan Of The Cave Bear books. The 2nd was an atheist streaming chat. I had my priorities straight...
This should rattle a few cages.
5 STAGES OF DECLINE AFTER A SOCIETY BECOMES INFECTED BY FEMINISM (http://www.returnofkings.com/127158/5-stages-of-decline-after-a-society-becomes-infected-by-feminism)
QuoteIn the USA, feminism metastasized into the fourth wave about ten years ago. Stage 4 feminism is tightly aligned to cultural Marxism. Its practitioners are difficult to distinguish from Social Justice Warriors. Many male individuals also are infected by now, unaware that they’re being played as useful idiots, much like chickens persuaded to vote for Colonel Sanders.
While feminism was mutating, cultural Marxism itself was mutating too. No longer having Soviet ideological guidance, its former proxies in Western academia started pushing things in very strange directions. For example, the Frankfurt School wanted to turn Americans into a nation of wimps, reduce social cohesion, and inflict guilt complexes useful to their ideology. However, they wouldn’t in their wildest dreams have imagined the US military paying for sex change operations, or school children encouraged in that neurosis too.
I think the fifth stage of Feminism, is Boudicca, running around in a scythed chariot, in war paint, massacring civilization. Women who run with wolves and all that.
Quote from: Baruch on August 06, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
I think the fifth stage of Feminism, is Boudicca, running around in a scythed chariot, in war paint, massacring civilization. Women who run with wolves and all that.
Or holding signs "Refugees Welcome". Should be "Take me I am yours"
Quote from: pr126 on August 06, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Or holding signs "Refugees Welcome". Should be "Take me I am yours"
Women who like bad boys. Your avatar isn't bad enough, should be the Medieval Black Adder ;-) Of course all based on the trope of King Richard III.
Quote from: pr126 on August 06, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
This should rattle a few cages.
5 STAGES OF DECLINE AFTER A SOCIETY BECOMES INFECTED BY FEMINISM (http://www.returnofkings.com/127158/5-stages-of-decline-after-a-society-becomes-infected-by-feminism)
It doesn't rattle MY cage. Typical sexism bullshit argument. Sexism is just another male redoubt of slavery. Some males have to have SOMEONE to control or they don't think they are males. To quote the President, "So Sad!"
Quote from: pr126 on August 06, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
This should rattle a few cages.
5 STAGES OF DECLINE AFTER A SOCIETY BECOMES INFECTED BY FEMINISM (http://www.returnofkings.com/127158/5-stages-of-decline-after-a-society-becomes-infected-by-feminism)
You just about belong in the troll category. Your mind (that is if you have one) is just a cesspool of shit--on a good day. You expect anybody with half a brain to think Return of Kings website has anything intelligent to say about anything???? I do understand why you would like it, tho. Pathetic is too high a praise for you.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 06, 2017, 01:24:13 PM
You just about belong in the troll category. Your mind (that is if you have one) is just a cesspool of shit--on a good day. You expect anybody with half a brain to think Return of Kings website has anything intelligent to say about anything???? I do understand why you would like it, tho. Pathetic is too high a praise for you.
Well, yeah, PR IS sort of crazy. I don't think he is exactly a troll though. He is as dim as a burnt match, idealogical like a North Korean, and wrong like a mismatched Rubik's Cube. But I think he is sincere and not a troll.
Maybe it is best to just treat him as he is; dedicated but as dumb as a box of rocks. Not that I want to be insulting, of course...
QuoteBut I think he is sincere and not a troll.
That is the scariest thing about him.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 06, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
That is the scariest thing about him.
Yeah the true believers are the worst ones to deal with.
And I know false troll accusations. I spent 10 years at one site and some twit came along bullying everyone and decided *I* was a troll. After 10 years? He was very good at "drive-by shooting" posts. I eventually left. So, I try to be cautious about that myself.
There are religions that aren't either matriarchal or patriarchal...they might not even be considered religions, more like philosophies...like Buddhism, etc. I think there are philosophies/belief systems out there that simply don't speak from or to a particular gender. The Abrahamic faiths are the strongest in terms of patriarchy, but can't help but think that if these religions were ''formed'' today, they'd be pretty gender-fluid.
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 06, 2017, 02:47:26 PM
There are religions that aren't either matriarchal or patriarchal...they might not even be considered religions, more like philosophies...like Buddhism, etc. I think there are philosophies/belief systems out there that simply don't speak from or to a particular gender. The Abrahamic faiths are the strongest in terms of patriarchy, but can't help but think that if these religions were ''formed'' today, they'd be pretty gender-fluid.
And a "fluid-gender" would be better how?
Quote from: pr126 on August 06, 2017, 12:25:49 PM
This should rattle a few cages.
5 STAGES OF DECLINE AFTER A SOCIETY BECOMES INFECTED BY FEMINISM (http://www.returnofkings.com/127158/5-stages-of-decline-after-a-society-becomes-infected-by-feminism)
"Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine."
Straight off of the "About" page.
Nah, not biased or off kilter at all. Thanks for the link, pr!
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 02:55:49 PM
And a "fluid-gender" would be better how?
Religion in general, wouldn't be about controlling a particular gender. I believe all religions are human-made, and they largely attract people who wish to control others and who wish to be controlled. And those two groups are usually men as the controllers, and women as the controlled.
Here is another awesome and so on-point article from this site
http://www.returnofkings.com/127416/how-the-promotion-of-homosexual-culture-harms-straight-men
Yeah this is such a great website pr. thanks!
*sarcasm intensifies*
This website Return Of Kings is like a strange version of Huffington Post, but for people that actually identify as meninists, despite the term meninists being a meme to make fun of feminists.
So, again, pr. Thank you for once again proving that your so far gone and detached from reality that you no longer are worth listening to.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 06, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
"Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine."
Straight off of the "About" page.
Nah, not biased or off kilter at all. Thanks for the link, pr!
I like to remind some people that Eowyn faced down the Witch-King of Angmar and that Galadriel was the most powerful of the Elvish lords in LOTR and wielded one of the 3 Elvish rings. There are other strong female characters in the Silmarillion.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 03:18:57 PM
I like to remind some people that Eowyn faced down the Witch-King of Angmar and that Galadriel was the most powerful of the Elvish lords in LOTR and wielded one of the 3 Elvish rings. There are other strong female characters in the Silmarillion.
not sure what that had to do with anything, but thanks? lol
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 06, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
not sure what that had to do with anything, but thanks? lol
It was about gender-respect and non-patriarchy...
Quote from: Deidre32 on August 06, 2017, 02:47:26 PM
There are religions that aren't either matriarchal or patriarchal...they might not even be considered religions, more like philosophies...like Buddhism, etc. I think there are philosophies/belief systems out there that simply don't speak from or to a particular gender. The Abrahamic faiths are the strongest in terms of patriarchy, but can't help but think that if these religions were ''formed'' today, they'd be pretty gender-fluid.
At least if they formed in San Francisco ;-) Hot rocky deserts don't make nice people. Perfect tropical paradise (Tahiti) make much nicer people.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 02:07:51 PM
Well, yeah, PR IS sort of crazy. I don't think he is exactly a troll though. He is as dim as a burnt match, idealogical like a North Korean, and wrong like a mismatched Rubik's Cube. But I think he is sincere and not a troll.
Maybe it is best to just treat him as he is; dedicated but as dumb as a box of rocks. Not that I want to be insulting, of course...
I could never solve the Rubik's Cube, though my nieces as children could. Don't bring back that memory, you lazy fur ball.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on August 06, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
not sure what that had to do with anything, but thanks? lol
Unlike how he feels about the Bible, Cavebear thinks LOTR is real ;-)
What happened
@pr126 , you give up?
Figured.
Quote from: Baruch on August 06, 2017, 06:21:10 PM
Unlike how he feels about the Bible, Cavebear thinks LOTR is real ;-)
It's not??????
It amazes me how "free thinkers" are so closed minded. [indoctrinated?]
Anything other than the accepted narrative is offensive, a thought crime must be crazy, or trolling,
They are heretics. They must be silenced.
Folks, 1984 was a novel, not a blueprint.
I am not alone in my thought crime. That's how Hillary lost.
Quote from: pr126 on August 07, 2017, 12:44:11 AM
It amazes me how "free thinkers" are so closed minded. [indoctrinated?]
Anything other than the accepted narrative is offensive, a thought crime must be crazy, or trolling,
They are heretics. They must be silenced.
Folks, 1984 was a novel, not a blueprint.
I am not alone in my thought crime. That's how Hillary lost.
Ideology makes strange bed-fellows. Why are people narrow minded? Because fat headed people have a hard time mental diabetes ;-) Anyone who denies that the liberal politician de-jour is a superhero ... is a heretic.
Quote from: pr126 on August 07, 2017, 12:44:11 AM
It amazes me how "free thinkers" are so closed minded. [indoctrinated?]
Anything other than the accepted narrative is offensive, a thought crime must be crazy, or trolling,
They are heretics. They must be silenced.
Folks, 1984 was a novel, not a blueprint.
I am not alone in my thought crime. That's how Hillary lost.
It amazes me how someone who is patently wrong about something can speak with such confidence about a topic.
Speaking of narrative.
Mermaid wrote:QuoteIt amazes me how someone who is patently wrong about something can speak with such confidence about a topic.
Such certitude in your beliefs. Your "education" is complete.
Nice to see such ideological clarity.
There Is No God And Karl Marx Is His Prophet.
QuoteI am not alone in my thought crime. That's how Hillary lost.
You almost sound proud there. That's no bueno.
Quote from: pr126 on August 07, 2017, 12:44:11 AM
It amazes me how "free thinkers" are so closed minded. [indoctrinated?]
Anything other than the accepted narrative is offensive, a thought crime must be crazy, or trolling,
They are heretics. They must be silenced.
Folks, 1984 was a novel, not a blueprint.
I am not alone in my thought crime. That's how Hillary lost.
"Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?"
Also... "not alone in my thought crime"?
So you're admitting you're being retarded... Ok, well at least we are somewhere grounded in reality now.
Quote from: pr126 on August 05, 2017, 05:25:47 AM
The third wave feminist is very vocal about patriarchy, misogyny and male supremacy.
What groups have those "qualities" enshrined in their cultures, religions, customs?
Are they mentioning any of those groups? No.
Africa, Central, Latin America, Asia, South Asia, Far east, China?
Not many feminist there.
No. It is in the USA, Canada. Then just the white males.
Funny that.
Third-wave feminists living in those countries mention "those groups".
Third-wave feminists living in USA or Canada mention issues they face at home. Why would they talk about issues thousands of miles away that have no impact on them?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Not that difficult to understand.
You seem to confuse feminist principles with activism. All feminists may share the same basic principles, and a discussion with any feminist will be enough to show this, but activism occurs within one's own country.
Quote from: Sylar on August 08, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
You seem to confuse feminist principles with activism. All feminists may share the same basic principles, and a discussion with any feminist will be enough to show this, but activism occurs within one's own country.
thats easy to say, but when these activists you mention do so under the banner of feminism, its hard to dismiss it being the driving force behind their activism.
Quote from: Sylar on August 08, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
Third-wave feminists living in those countries mention "those groups".
Third-wave feminists living in USA or Canada mention issues they face at home. Why would they talk about issues thousands of miles away that have no impact on them?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Not that difficult to understand.
You seem to confuse feminist principles with activism. All feminists may share the same basic principles, and a discussion with any feminist will be enough to show this, but activism occurs within one's own country.
Sometimes. Occasionally, women activists seek out greater international impact. Like that poor girl who threw herself under the Israeli bulldozer in Gaza a few years back. Activists .. don't seem so mentally stable to me .. never did.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 07, 2017, 12:30:26 AM
It's not??????
I don't think the LOTR is real. But it is a decent story. And The Silmarillion much more inventive than that in the beginning. Theists always love to see we atheists liking any fiction, because they think it makes us similar to them.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 09, 2017, 01:43:56 AM
I don't think the LOTR is real. But it is a decent story. And The Silmarillion much more inventive than that in the beginning. Theists always love to see we atheists liking any fiction, because they think it makes us similar to them.
Strange response .. the Silmarillion (yes, I read it, years ago) is more like mythology, and LOTR is more like legend. I would think your preferences would be the opposite of what you just claimed. Usually atheists are opposed to all manifestations of the imagination, like Sunni Muslims.
the weird thing is.... as I mentioned before, I find fault in a lot of feminist rhetoric. The extremely visible "postergirls" for feminism tend to be extremely toxic and I don't support their man-hating, but pr is so off-kilter that he overshadows all of their stupidity with his.
Quote from: Baruch on August 09, 2017, 07:14:38 AM
Strange response .. the Silmarillion (yes, I read it, years ago) is more like mythology, and LOTR is more like legend. I would think your preferences would be the opposite of what you just claimed. Usually atheists are opposed to all manifestations of the imagination, like Sunni Muslims.
Thats not true, pretty sure the majority of atheists like fictional works, from starwars to lord of the rings, so any fictional backstory in movies, tv, games and comics. The difference is we know its all fictional and made up stories to escape to, where as the religious think their made up stories in their fictional cult books are real, and demand everyone accept it as being real, despite it being all made up.
Quote from: Munch on August 09, 2017, 09:11:29 AM
Thats not true, pretty sure the majority of atheists like fictional works, from starwars to lord of the rings, so any fictional backstory in movies, tv, games and comics. The difference is we know its all fictional and made up stories to escape to, where as the religious think their made up stories in their fictional cult books are real, and demand everyone accept it as being real, despite it being all made up.
Hear, Hear! Right what I was thinking and hadn't posted yet! My ability to accept fiction for the purpose of a good evening's amusement story is not the same thing as accepting such stories as "true". And my enjoyment of good human-created fiction does not make me confused about religious fictions purporting to be real.
Y'all totally missed my point, about mythology vs legend. And reacted to what you thought I said, not what I did say.
I wonder. If I just opened the christian text to any page what would I find? Reality?
Quote from: Munch on August 08, 2017, 03:37:15 PM
thats easy to say, but when these activists you mention do so under the banner of feminism, its hard to dismiss it being the driving force behind their activism.
You misunderstood me. I was talking about feminist activism, which occurs within one's own country. I wasn't disassociating feminism with activism.
For example, why would American feminists talk about Sharia law in the United States? It does not exist here, and is illegal. Hence, they focus on issues impacting women
in the United States, like the wage gap and continuous assault on women's reproductive rights.
However, Muslim feminists in countries ruled by Sharia
do talk about it. You don't hear western feminists talking about the right to drive, but Saudi feminists do, because it's illegal for Saudi women to drive. You don't hear Muslim feminists talking about the wage gap or reproductive rights, because they haven't even attained even more basic ones like right to drive, or right to vote (in some places), or simply the right to be their own person.
Western feminists are unfairly criticized based on this pretense, and their plights are downplayed and mocked when compared to plight of women living in worse conditions. When western women were living under Sharia-like conditions, those same people criticizing them were the ones responsible for these conditions.
Quote from: Baruch on August 08, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
Sometimes. Occasionally, women activists seek out greater international impact. Like that poor girl who threw herself under the Israeli bulldozer in Gaza a few years back. Activists .. don't seem so mentally stable to me .. never did.
I'm strictly speaking about feminist activism. That usually occurs within one's own country. What's the purpose of activism? To bring political and social change, which is usually spearheaded by people living within that community.
There are, of course, other kinds of activism that reach global stage. Some feminists even speak global issues facing women and that's also important. But the bulk of activist work occurs within one's own country.
Quote from: Sylar on August 09, 2017, 04:48:51 PM
I'm strictly speaking about feminist activism. That usually occurs within one's own country. What's the purpose of activism? To bring political and social change, which is usually spearheaded by people living within that community.
There are, of course, other kinds of activism that reach global stage. Some feminists even speak global issues facing women and that's also important. But the bulk of activist work occurs within one's own country.
Well said. Sharia law is not an issue here (though Christian Law sometimes is). The point is where to make which arguments. Sharia law there, christian law here, and whatever other religious law where it is applied.
Rational laws everywhere!