Two great Youtube channels of knowledge came together to do a Crash Course series on world mythologies. Makes a good reminder, or primer. Also covers some mythologies that the average person will have never heard of, which is cool.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Two great Youtube channels of knowledge came together to do a Crash Course series on world mythologies. Makes a good reminder, or primer. Also covers some mythologies that the average person will have never heard of, which is cool.
Seems interesting. I'l watch a few episodes.
Cupid and Psyche love affair, is a predecessor to the Gospel of John.
Short review of Power Of Myth by Joseph Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRQJpBnHyg
I learned a good bit of mythology from a large book of world mythology back in my early 20s, just to love reading up on the facts about mythological characters, especially given the fact their real background designs weren't quite as softie nicey nice as some adaptations made them out to be, like Zeus instead of the fluffy daddy dear in disneys hercules, he was basically a big man whore fucking anything that moved, including his own sisters and daughters.
Quote from: Munch on July 30, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
I learned a good bit of mythology from a large book of world mythology back in my early 20s, just to love reading up on the facts about mythological characters, especially given the fact their real background designs weren't quite as softie nicey nice as some adaptations made them out to be, like Zeus instead of the fluffy daddy dear in disneys hercules, he was basically a big man whore fucking anything that moved, including his own sisters and daughters.
One of my first readers, outside of school, was The Adventures Of Hercules, given to me by an older boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M85OLHYcB4
Quote from: Munch on July 30, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
I learned a good bit of mythology from a large book of world mythology back in my early 20s, just to love reading up on the facts about mythological characters, especially given the fact their real background designs weren't quite as softie nicey nice as some adaptations made them out to be, like Zeus instead of the fluffy daddy dear in disneys hercules, he was basically a big man whore fucking anything that moved, including his own sisters and daughters.
Most all the mythologies are about supermen and superwomen pretty much screwing arounnd with mortals one way or another. I love reading mythology to see how people thought at the time.
Did you know that the cyclops was just a mammoth fossil eroding out of a hillside?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 17, 2017, 10:21:11 AM
Most all the mythologies are about supermen and superwomen pretty much screwing arounnd with mortals one way or another. I love reading mythology to see how people thought at the time.
Did you know that the cyclops was just a mammoth fossil eroding out of a hillside?
You know, that might be another potential definition of mythology: bad interpretations of good data.
I always loved classical Greek mythology too, but that probably had more to do with all the hot naked willing men...
Quote from: trdsf on September 22, 2017, 12:42:15 PM
You know, that might be another potential definition of mythology: bad interpretations of good data.
I always loved classical Greek mythology too, but that probably had more to do with all the hot naked willing men...
You would have gone far in ancient Greece. Romans weren't into that.
Quote from: Baruch on September 22, 2017, 12:47:01 PM
You would have gone far in ancient Greece. Romans weren't into that.
I'm surprised. Everyone else seems to have accepted it at most times. Wikipedia offers some impressive evidence. It's not my cup of tea, but it is hard to deny the persistence of the desire.
I expect that it will eventually be found to be some neurological brain wiring like right-handed vs left-handed and there shouldn't be any moral judgement about handedness...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 02:49:03 AM
I'm surprised. Everyone else seems to have accepted it at most times. Wikipedia offers some impressive evidence. It's not my cup of tea, but it is hard to deny the persistence of the desire.
I expect that it will eventually be found to be some neurological brain wiring like right-handed vs left-handed and there shouldn't be any moral judgement about handedness...
Greek men permitted selective gay/bi behavior. It was social and political, not hedonistic. Hedonism was considered depraved by most societies. The Romans didn't like gay/bi behavior because they only saw "the bottom" and saw that in political terms. Being a bottom, for anyone, was a class/political statement. You could be a top on anyone, male or female ... but only if the bottom was a slave. So it doesn't qualify as gayness, it was sadisim that motivated Romans. And misogyny ... women were defined as "bottom" in almost all circumstances ... that is why Cleopatra was hated so much ... and she was foreign as well. Pater Familias ... was the basis for Roman authority, and originally it was dictatorial, as in Cosa Nostra.
Quote from: Baruch on September 23, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
Greek men permitted selective gay/bi behavior. It was social and political, not hedonistic. Hedonism was considered depraved by most societies. The Romans didn't like gay/bi behavior because they only saw "the bottom" and saw that in political terms. Being a bottom, for anyone, was a class/political statement. You could be a top on anyone, male or female ... but only if the bottom was a slave. So it doesn't qualify as gayness, it was sadisim that motivated Romans. And misogyny ... women were defined as "bottom" in almost all circumstances ... that is why Cleopatra was hated so much ... and she was foreign as well. Pater Familias ... was the basis for Roman authority, and originally it was dictatorial, as in Cosa Nostra.
Which are you, top or bottom? ;)
Quote from: Sorginak on September 23, 2017, 03:38:30 PM
Which are you, top or bottom? ;)
Neither ... and otherwise TMI ;-) I hope I have never had sex, as a power trip. In some cultures, that is part and parcel, but only if you make out in the back of the Post Office ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on September 23, 2017, 02:49:03 AM
I'm surprised. Everyone else seems to have accepted it at most times. Wikipedia offers some impressive evidence. It's not my cup of tea, but it is hard to deny the persistence of the desire.
I expect that it will eventually be found to be some neurological brain wiring like right-handed vs left-handed and there shouldn't be any moral judgement about handedness...
Well, there are known genetic components to it -- I carry several -- but no one can yet say with any authority that it's completely genetically driven. Certainly us gays need you straights to continue breeding more gays. That's a little out of our scope. :D
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Guess we know where that puts wolverine that time he was Hercules snuggle buddy.
Nothing wrong with the Greeks. Romans were puritanical. Couldn't even stand the infant sacrifices of the Carthaginians.
Quote from: trdsf on September 23, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
Well, there are known genetic components to it -- I carry several -- but no one can yet say with any authority that it's completely genetically driven. Certainly us gays need you straights to continue breeding more gays. That's a little out of our scope. :D
You'll need to present that genetic evidence of "gayness". To my knowledge there is none.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:48:23 AM
You'll need to present that genetic evidence of "gayness". To my knowledge there is none.
Perhaps sexuality in its entirety is psychological, but if that were the case, why would men in a country like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan choose to be gay willingly knowing they be stoned to death for it? I'm sure they don't have much influencing them in such sexual roles like we do in western nations.
Quote from: Munch on September 28, 2017, 05:59:28 AM
Perhaps sexuality in its entirety is psychological, but if that were the case, why would men in a country like Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan choose to be gay willingly knowing they be stoned to death for it? I'm sure they don't have much influencing them in such sexual roles like we do in western nations.
I think it is more neurological. The brain makes connections in early development and it isn't subject to much change after that. It's not any "fault"; it is just how you are made really early on. You can't assign "fault to that.
Yeah, I'm adjusting my views the more I learn and think.
pretty good sum up, I do think the networking of the brains synapses cause a lot of what we are, but I also believe those aspect of ourselves can be molded and influenced as we grow up, based on any number of factors from external to internal.
Quote from: Munch on September 28, 2017, 07:01:17 AM
pretty good sum up, I do think the networking of the brains synapses cause a lot of what we are, but I also believe those aspect of ourselves can be molded and influenced as we grow up, based on any number of factors from external to internal.
So are you saying you made a choice? Evil grin...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 04:48:23 AM
You'll need to present that genetic evidence of "gayness". To my knowledge there is none.
Oh, no, not genetic drivers that
cause it. Just markers that appear to correlate with it -- ring finger longer than index finger, gay uncle on maternal side, that sort of thing. I know perfectly well that the genetic hypothesis is as yet an open area of research.
I expect that part of it is genetically driven. But, like all things human, the causes are complex and interwoven, I'm sure. I
can guaran-damn-tee you that it's not something I sat down and deliberately chose one day.
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 10:24:28 AM
Oh, no, not genetic drivers that cause it. Just markers that appear to correlate with it -- ring finger longer than index finger, gay uncle on maternal side, that sort of thing.
Easily falsifiable...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 11:15:40 AM
Easily falsifiable...
That's the whole point. And that's why it's an open area of research.
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 11:36:28 AM
That's the whole point. And that's why it's an open area of research.
Old gay tales, maybe? My index finger is shorter than the ring, and I really enjoy the pleasures of the opposite sex...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 07:06:00 AM
So are you saying you made a choice? Evil grin...
yep I choose what to wear today, nothing at all.
But I didn't choose to get turned on by big hairy men, thats just what my brains telling me to enjoy, so I shall enjoy.
Quote from: Munch on September 28, 2017, 12:08:16 PM
yep I choose what to wear today, nothing at all.
But I didn't choose to get turned on by big hairy men, thats just what my brains telling me to enjoy, so I shall enjoy.
Enjoy. Just don't scare the pets.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Old gay tales, maybe? My index finger is shorter than the ring, and I really enjoy the pleasures of the opposite sex...
It's a marker, not an absolute identifier. There are also some biophysical markers I
don't have -- I'm the eldest of my siblings, and the correlation is that gay men tend to have not just older siblings, but older brothers. My uncle on my maternal side, who was also gay, was also the eldest of that sibling set. There's a correlation with limb length -- gay men tend on average to have shorter limbs and smaller hands than straight men. Mine are long and my hands are kind of vast. I haven't had my brain measured so I don't know about those internal identifiers.
I also never once claimed any one of these things
made me gay, and neither has anyone else. They are a set of things that have been observed to
correlate with homosexuality. They are none of them, to the current state of research, linked causally.
And like Munch, I don't experience it as any sort of choice. Show me pictures of a male fitness model and a female fitness model, and you'll have to tell me there's a picture of a female fitness model because I won't notice it on my own. So I expect there's a genetic factor or factors involved, probably something that impacts the biochemistry and/or physiology of the brain; certainly that seems most plausible if not probable. But what exactly that is, and what other factors are involved, hell, I don't know. I'm content to let the researchers research.
Quote from: trdsf on September 28, 2017, 12:44:40 PM
It's a marker, not an absolute identifier. There are also some biophysical markers I don't have -- I'm the eldest of my siblings, and the correlation is that gay men tend to have not just older siblings, but older brothers. My uncle on my maternal side, who was also gay, was also the eldest of that sibling set. There's a correlation with limb length -- gay men tend on average to have shorter limbs and smaller hands than straight men. Mine are long and my hands are kind of vast. I haven't had my brain measured so I don't know about those internal identifiers.
I also never once claimed any one of these things made me gay, and neither has anyone else. They are a set of things that have been observed to correlate with homosexuality. They are none of them, to the current state of research, linked causally.
And like Munch, I don't experience it as any sort of choice. Show me pictures of a male fitness model and a female fitness model, and you'll have to tell me there's a picture of a female fitness model because I won't notice it on my own. So I expect there's a genetic factor or factors involved, probably something that impacts the biochemistry and/or physiology of the brain; certainly that seems most plausible if not probable. But what exactly that is, and what other factors are involved, hell, I don't know. I'm content to let the researchers research.
I meant no causality, just responding to some things you suggested. I just mean that in my case, the unsubtantiated indicators didn't apply and I was curious about that. And given your example of very fit male and female models, I would think, "Darn, I wish I looked like That Guy" because I would be (I assume) healthier. And that woman would be be very attractive.
I'm not dumb enough to say 'gee that must be confusing"; you know what gets your attention and why. But it does mean I guess I can admire both. Which is interesting...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 12:01:20 PM
Old gay tales, maybe? My index finger is shorter than the ring, and I really enjoy the pleasures of the opposite sex...
You should have been more careful in wood shop ;-) My god father was not careful enough in wood shop, lost one of his thumbs ;-(
Quote from: Cavebear on September 28, 2017, 12:59:25 PM
I meant no causality, just responding to some things you suggested. I just mean that in my case, the unsubtantiated indicators didn't apply and I was curious about that. And given your example of very fit male and female models, I would think, "Darn, I wish I looked like That Guy" because I would be (I assume) healthier. And that woman would be be very attractive.
I'm not dumb enough to say 'gee that must be confusing"; you know what gets your attention and why. But it does mean I guess I can admire both. Which is interesting...
It's all percents. There's another one about counterclockwise hair whorls as opposed to clockwise. Of those men whose hair whorls out, 8% have counterclockwise, but it's 23% among gay men, so it's still quite a minority within that minority and not a very common indicator either way. I find it more statistically interesting than statistically meaningful.
It sounded to me like you were questioning whether these were markers at all; whether the confusion came from your writing or my reading, I don't know. :)
Quote from: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
You should have been more careful in wood shop ;-) My god father was not careful enough in wood shop, lost one of his thumbs ;-(
I still have all my fingernails. But there was that one roommate who was careless at the paoer cutter in high school. Changed his whole outlook toward the opposite sex. And old Mr 3-finger Kingsley the car mechanic in town who was holding the timing belt when his assistant started the car... Painted his house pink right after that...