http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/4303098-woman-who-threatened-kill-all-ya-somali-americans-will-be-fired (http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/4303098-woman-who-threatened-kill-all-ya-somali-americans-will-be-fired)
QuoteFARGO â€" A white woman from Mapleton, N.D., who was recorded Tuesday, July 25, threatening a group of three Muslim women in the Walmart parking lot on 13th Avenue South, telling them to "go home" and that she would kill them, will lose her job.
"We're gonna kill all of ya. We're gonna kill every one of ya," the woman is heard saying in the video as she leans into the passenger window to confront 21-year-old Sarah Hassan, who was recording.
"I wanted everyone to see what happens to us every day," Hassan said. "I was so scared."
She was in the car with her sister, Leyla Hassan, 20, and their friend, 23-year-old Rowda Soyan. All three women live in Fargo and are originally from Somalia. They were shopping at Walmart Tuesday afternoon before going to the movie theater when they parked next to the woman.
Sarah Hassan said she started recording when she realized they needed evidence of the woman's "unacceptable" behavior. They called police around 5:30 p.m. and showed officers the video and the woman's license plate number as they filed a report.
...
"What makes me sad is you don't see any leaders from Fargo confronting this issue and saying it's not acceptable in our community," he said. "They need to speak about this issue and have it be at the forefront."
Fargo-Moorhead is supposed to be a "welcoming city," Dabar said, but "when they don't talk about this issue it shows something else."
A Somali-American man was assaulted while moving into an apartment on July 2 by two white men from the area who said, "What are these n---- doing here?" at the time of the attack, according to eyewitnesses.
Police arrested the men, James Patrick Billiot and Justin William Rifanburg, who were charged with simple assault, a misdemeanor. CAIR, a Muslim civil rights group in Minnesota, urged state and federal law enforcement officials to investigate what they called a "possible hate crime."
"It's happening again," Dabar said in reference to the two instances of discrimination in the community.
I want to word it carefully because I think there are several people here who will come and defend her actions, or defend the culture that enables her actions; I do not think she is a bad person, or necessarily a racist person, for what she said while angry. The "kids" (20 year olds) did insult her back, before she went on her really bigoted tangent. I have certainly said things I regretted while angry and don't think those things are reflective of me.
The problem is that what she said is fueled by certain groups in our society that are represented by these bigoted view points, and hold strong socio-political power in our society. Her community is not condemning what she said and saying they don't support it; instead the response is, "It's a shame she said these things, but everyone is making this out to be a bigger deal than it is.".
When society reaches a point where it says that, "Kill all you fucking Muslims. You aren't American, get the fuck out of my country", is a small issue that's being made into a mole hill, there is something fundamentally wrong with that society and that community. These are ideas that are simply unacceptable and incompatible with the core ethos of the Constitution, and for my European friends, with the Western Ideals of Liberté, égalité, fraternité and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (something that the majority of the Islamic world signed, which is something I didn't know until this story because of the myth Islamaphobes push that the Islamic world rejected it.)
This is not "identity politics", "left-vs-right", "Liberal agenda Cultural Marxism!", this is someone who doesn't even buy into the patriotic mythology of our country finding something so repulsive to my culture and my heritage that it has to be called what it is; an afront to everything America and the West should stand for. This is the threat that is flooding our borders and is going to, "Destroy Western Civilization!"; not Muslims, not Mexicans, not Shariah, but bigotry and hatred becoming socially accepted and fueled by hateful and fearful men... not even evil men who want to use you, just people so afraid from a constant loop of lies and bigoted remarks that it becomes a mindless norm for them. Neither party has a monopoly on this fear; I have heard people on the left just as terrified as Muslims or as uncomfortable around blacks, LGBT+ members, immigrants, whatever as the furthest of the right.
The people who express these things are not often bad people, or politically wrong people; they are people who have been sold a lie enough times that it has become a truth. And this is why so many in that camp, without knowing why, are so opposed to higher education and scream that schools are tools of indoctrination... it is the mantra that has been repeated to them by the people who are aware of the cure for their hatred (knowledge, understanding, context and perspective) and don't want to see their new-found cultural and/or political power weakened. It is unfortunately a holistic issue; we have to both find a way to educate and remove fear from the average person, but also find ways to replace the social and political leaders who rig the system in their favour; the Murdochs, the DeVoses, the Abbots, the Trumps, the Brietbarts. Without addressing one you cannot fix the other, but the system is set up so that as one group gains power, the other does as well.
This is why good people have to speak up about bigotry, hatred, and fear... but also about education, equality, and the right to safe and peaceful life, about protecting livelyhood and community. These are things all of us but the most hateful share and care about at our core, and we outnumber the hateful 100 to 1. But when we are quiet, when we don't vote because, "What's the point?" and let the scale slip further and further towards fear and hatred, then we are just as complacent in allowing this system to break as the person who has bought into the fear. Complacency to express what is right and to protect what is right is just as destructive as ill intentioned action. To do what is right is not just one battle you can fight and win but rather a war that never ends, fought in inches, to insure that what is right is what is powerful and what is protected. To do what is right will always be a struggle, and will never be easy, but that is simply a fact of the human condition.
This smells a bit of nationalism.
There is a thing that i do not understand.
Everybody except Indians in America is immigrant whether they immigrated a year ago or 250 years ago...
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 29, 2017, 05:55:19 PM
This smells a bit of nationalism.
There is a thing that i do not understand.
Everybody except Indians in America is immigrant whether they immigrated a year ago or 250 years ago...
I very much agree soldier. And even the American Indians (North and South) are also immigrants if one goes back far enough.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 29, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
I very much agree soldier. And even the American Indians (North and South) are also immigrants if one goes back far enough.
I wonder if there is any statistics about
at which rate the white Americans are mixed-race...
To be irish ir english or italian or german or finnish doesnt make any difference in Amerika i think.
The problem is you are white or not.
did i understand right?
They say the Americans are a nation...
But i dont think nationalism flourishes in any non-ethnic-based nation.
How state scholls indoctrinate the young Americans i dont know...
Whateverö multuculturalism is dominant.
Everybody should live in brotherhood : )
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on July 29, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
I wonder if there is any statistics about
at which rate the white Americans are mixed-race...
To be irish ir english or italian or german or finnish doesnt make any difference in Amerika i think.
The problem is you are white or not.
did i understand right?
They say the Americans are a nation...
But i dont think nationalism flourishes in any non-ethnic-based nation.
How state scholls indoctrinate the young Americans i dont know...
Whateverö multuculturalism is dominant.
Everybody should live in brotherhood : )
I agree everyone should live in brother/sister hood. When we go deep, all of us are African. Color is derived from environment more than anything. It truly is skin deep.
But you are correct, in America color matters. It is not right but it is still the case. American schools, at least prior to college, are poor at teaching history--teach the sanitized version not the real version.
QuoteThey say the Americans are a nation...
But i dont think nationalism flourishes in any non-ethnic-based nation.
Did you skip American history, origins to today? Nationalism more than flourished in the United States... it became the golden standard of nationalism. Same thing in France, which is extremely multicultural, until WW2, and England (not the U.K.) until this day as well. All of those are very diverse countries. I know more than my fair-share of extremely patriotic African-Americans and Latinos, much to the chagrin of other's in their community.
lol Its a f*ing Walmart Parking Lot verbal exchange.
No shots fired.
No knives drawn.
No bitch slapping.
No rape.
No Kidnapping.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/surfing-wal-marts-crime-w_b_9974822.html
This is a non-event in wallyworld. Just more virtue signalling by the typical players.
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
QuoteThis is a non-event in wallyworld.
The fact that this very line can be uttered with a straight face simply furthers my entire point that when this line can be uttered with a straight face, something has gone very, very wrong with the mainstream of your society and your culture. This is NOT normal, and this is NOT what America is about. Accepting it only encourages it.
QuoteJust more virtue signalling by the typical players.
I know you think this is an insult, but when calling out hatred, bigotry and society tolerating it... then yeah, you know what, there is a place and you need to virtue signal. That is something that anyone who abides by "Western morality" should be opposed to. You cant stay silent about this and then want to talk about how your morality is better than the Middle East's. You cant have your cake and eat it too... if you are indifferent about your culture's morality, you cant then use it to signal how much better you are than someone else.
Shiranu is always quite the angry godling all the time. It will be interesting if he finally realizes that like the X-men, I am right about humans. We have super powers, compared to a stupid rock ... so hard to be an atheist godling.
Yes, nationalism is a problem ... but only as a projection of natural human violence, you know, all that natural shit y'all worship here;-)
Someday, like Gandhi on steroids, Shiranu is going to show that he has an inner murderer, just like we all do. Being a bigot is small potatoes compared to that. No more virtue signaling no more hiding from the awful reality that Pippi Longstocking isn't real.
Complaining about virtue signaling is itself a form of virtue signaling.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on July 30, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Complaining about virtue signaling is itself a form of virtue signaling.
I am totally evil ... and that is a good thing. And that ain't virtue signaling. Fact is one White woman saying something isn't evidence of shit. If it is, then one Black man robbing a 7-11 is proof that all Blacks are criminals. Fact is Shiranu hates White people, and I don't blame him ... but then ... I am totally evil ;-0 But I am not as evil as to overgeneralize the behavior of one individual to malign a whole group ... bigotry is beyond evil, even from a SJW.
I guess one good thing about Trump's election is that bigots (weak-minded fools that they are) have been emboldened into openly expressing their bigotry, not realizing that society in general overwhelmingly abhors bigotry, and as a result they end up getting punished, like losing their jobs or even going to jail.
QuoteFact is Shiranu hates White people...
Fact is, this isn't even remotely true and I'm getting tired of people saying that me. I consider myself someone steeped in "white pride" (and holy shit, is that bait for out-of-context)... and that is exactly why I am so critical of white people. It is because I take pride in my ancestors, their history, their ideals, that I expect us to live up to those standards. That does not come from a place of hate, that comes from a place of love for one's past.
My ancestors ruled from Spain to the edges of India; brought some of the greatest philosophical teachings humanity has ever known into birth; were some of the greatest warriors the world has ever seen; were master mathematicians and architects who's work shine to this day, and don't even get me started on the art, poetry, music my people have produced. My people created secular governments, overthrew monarchs, fought for and brought "equality" to women, blacks, LGBT+, lived in great city-states that tolerated religions outside their own and where the arts, philosophy and science flourished... for all the terrible shit white people have done, I have seen what "my people" are capable of and I want us to maintain that standard.
Likewise, the pride in my ancestors does not mean I cant appreciate and admire the achievements outside my group. I am both a historian and an anthropologist; I want to learn all I can about my people, and other's past, and I want to know all I can about their present. So while I consider myself someone with alot of "white pride", I also have alot of human "pride", or appreciation.
So to say my opinion comes from one of hate is simply at the exact opposite end of the truth. It is not just a false statement in itself, but also creates a false narrative for my entire belief set.
I consider myself someone steeped in "white pride" - Shiranu 2017
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 12:41:57 AM
Fact is, this isn't even remotely true and I'm getting tired of people saying that me. I consider myself someone steeped in "white pride" (and holy shit, is that bait for out-of-context)... and that is exactly why I am so critical of white people. It is because I take pride in my ancestors, their history, their ideals, that I expect us to live up to those standards. That does not come from a place of hate, that comes from a place of love for one's past.
My ancestors ruled from Spain to the edges of India; brought some of the greatest philosophical teachings humanity has ever known into birth; were some of the greatest warriors the world has ever seen; were master mathematicians and architects who's work shine to this day, and don't even get me started on the art, poetry, music my people have produced. My people created secular governments, overthrew monarchs, fought for and brought "equality" to women, blacks, LGBT+, lived in great city-states that tolerated religions outside their own and where the arts, philosophy and science flourished... for all the terrible shit white people have done, I have seen what "my people" are capable of and I want us to maintain that standard.
Likewise, the pride in my ancestors does not mean I cant appreciate and admire the achievements outside my group. I am both a historian and an anthropologist; I want to learn all I can about my people, and other's past, and I want to know all I can about their present. So while I consider myself someone with alot of "white pride", I also have alot of human "pride", or appreciation.
So to say my opinion comes from one of hate is simply at the exact opposite end of the truth. It is not just a false statement in itself, but also creates a false narrative for my entire belief set.
OK if you want to quote the Grand Dragon of the KKK. But some deranged woman? Not a very good example ... I question why you keep being triggered by bad examples.
And I completely agree with you ... that all people in all cultures have contributed and will contribute. White Pride stuff is completely stupid. But is that what this deranged woman was all about?
Quote from: Atheon on July 30, 2017, 12:31:47 AM
I guess one good thing about Trump's election is that bigots (weak-minded fools that they are) have been emboldened into openly expressing their bigotry, not realizing that society in general overwhelmingly abhors bigotry, and as a result they end up getting punished, like losing their jobs or even going to jail.
You must not have got out of the house much ... and your house was in Berkeley.
QuoteOK if you want to quote the Grand Dragon of the KKK. But some deranged woman? Not a very good example ... I question why you keep being triggered by bad examples.
I completely disagree. When regular Joes feel that saying something you would expect to hear from a KKK leader, that is precisely the example you need of negative influences infiltrating a culture. It is not when the evil say evil things that you have to worry, it's when the regular person begins to say them that you should be concerned.
As for the white pride, that was intentionally provocative phrasing, but at its core... yes, that is what is about. We, as "white people", have alot to be proud about and we need to live up to those standards instead of regressing into the habits we should be ashamed of. The use of white pride therefore becomes an act of reclaiming a derogatory term and shining the light on the hypocrisy of people who use the term white pride with no respect whatsoever of their ancestors.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2017, 10:42:56 PM
This is NOT normal, and this is NOT what America is about. Accepting it only encourages it.
Oh, but it is normal. People get to have a bad day.
check the video, its edited like crazy. Out of order. You can tell by the position of the car. The broken conversation.
0 to 8 one position
9-15 another position
16 back to original position.
24 different position.
“She had parked way too close to my car and I couldn’t get in, when I asked her to move she refused, I asked her again and she swore at me, calling me a fat bitch, to that I informed her that I was a Christian and asked her if she knew who jesus was, she said fuck Jesus and I lost it!†Hensley wrote on Facebook. “But there are absolutely no excuses. I am in tears with regret and will take any form of punishment deemed fit..â€
http://heavy.com/news/2017/07/amber-elizabeth-hensley-fargo-north-dakota-muslims-walmart-video-fired/
Hassan acknowledged that she did respond by calling Hensley “fat,†which was also caught on video, but denied insulting Jesus, considered by Muslims to be a great prophet. “I don’t even know what to say to people when they start abusing me.â€
http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/26/caught-on-video-woman-tells-somalis-were-gonna-kill-all-of-ya/
So now we have a more complete picture. Most people have had the experience, at Walmart, of some idiot parking too damn close but most of the time, we dont get the opportunity to ask them to move the offending vehicle over. To be lipped off to by the offender would anger MOST of us.
Like I said, another wallyworld non-event.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 29, 2017, 10:42:56 PMI know you think this is an insult, but when calling out hatred, bigotry and society tolerating it... then yeah, you know what, there is a place and you need to virtue signal. That is something that anyone who abides by "Western morality" should be opposed to. You cant stay silent about this and then want to talk about how your morality is better than the Middle East's. You cant have your cake and eat it too... if you are indifferent about your culture's morality, you cant then use it to signal how much better you are than someone else.
But this ISNT an example. Western morality includes the right to speak your mind. We do not have the full exchange but I have NO Doubt the somali's refused to move the car as the woman said.
Should have just said "sorry I parked too close, I will move the car" instead of calling her fat. I have no doubt they antagonized her creating the situation. See it done plenty of times with smart mouth kids regardless of their ethnicity/religion. Wanna drive in this country, probably should be able to see the lines in the road.
Sometimes a parking lot incident is just that and no more. Though it does show where the prejudices are.
QuoteOh, but it is normal. People get to have a bad day.
And yet again, this should NOT be normal. I have had some REALLY shitty days, but I never felt the need to threaten to kill someone, or imply that their entire culture should be killed. And I am talking shitty days like watching my dad die, being tens of thousands of dollars in debt... not someone parked too close to my fucking car. That is so far down on the list of shit that should effect someone that to say, "Meh, saying an entire culture should be killed isn't a big deal" that it makes me question how short of fuse the person saying that has.
QuoteSo now we have a more complete picture. Most people have had the experience, at Walmart, of some idiot parking too damn close but most of the time, we dont get the opportunity to ask them to move the offending vehicle over. To be lipped off to by the offender would anger MOST of us.
I have never had that experience, nor have I ever felt any need to engage anyone over that (nor do I think I would have any desire to). Worse comes to worse, I'll go to my passenger side and get in that way.
I'm sorry, but acting like making a confrontation out of someone parking to close to you is perfectly normal behaviour is not rational behaviour.
QuoteLike I said, another wallyworld non-event.
And like I said, implying this is just another non-event shows just how far down the toilet our society has let itself sink.
QuoteBut this ISNT an example. Western morality includes the right to speak your mind.
Yes, the right to speak your mind. And when your mind is, "Fuck you foreigners, the fuck are you even doing here, we are going to kill you all! And fuck your race too, your not even an American!", that is
not a mind that agrees with Western morality and standards.
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2017, 12:57:12 AM
I question why you keep being triggered by bad examples.
lol, and that is exactly the point. Its not a big deal a couple people got into a pissing contest at wallyworld.
I am gonna guess more than a couple people here 'triggered' a few xians in their lives with a casual 'fuck jeebus' comment.
Quote from: chill98 on July 30, 2017, 01:44:23 AM
lol, and that is exactly the point. Its not a big deal a couple people got into a pissing contest at wallyworld.
I am gonna guess more than a couple people here 'triggered' a few xians in their lives with a casual 'fuck jeebus' comment.
Yes, and if those Christians than responded with, "Fuck you atheists, one day we will kill you all! You aren't even American!", you people would flip your collective shit. Especially if you lived in a culture that encouraged a Christian to say something like that and then said, "Yeah, that response is perfectly acceptable, in part because we are a society with no self-control and in part because we are a society that believes atheists ARE a problem". And that's just in a debate over something arguably important (religion)... let's take it a step further and say the woman said that because you parked to close to her car.
I'm sorry, but if you are telling me atheists wouldn't find what this woman said in the wrong, and then be concerned when society defended her, if she said the exact same thing but replaced "Muslim" with "atheist", than you are either a liar or completely out of touch.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:42:08 AM
And yet again, this should NOT be normal. I have had some REALLY shitty days, but I never felt the need to threaten to kill someone, or imply that their entire culture should be killed.
Sez you. And you ain't dead yet... there's still time.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:42:08 AM
And I am talking shitty days like watching my dad die, being tens of thousands of dollars in debt... not someone parked too close to my fucking car. That is so far down on the list of shit that should effect someone that to say, "Meh, saying an entire culture should be killed isn't a big deal" that it makes me question how short of fuse the person saying that has.
sticks and stones. Its not a big deal, in a wallyworld parking lot. You ignore the statement that the somali had parked too close for this woman to get into her car and then became obstinate when asked to move the car. Where is the social responsibility there? Rewatch the out of order video and you will see the woman says "just move the car" calmly, then suddenly bursts into rage. Sorry but I don't believe this woman was unprovoked. The editing destroys the context.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:42:08 AMI have never had that experience, nor have I ever felt any need to engage anyone over that (nor do I think I would have any desire to). Worse comes to worse, I'll go to my passenger side and get in that way.
This is an older woman who you have NO IDEA what her physical condition is. Bad back? I have one. Got a really bad knee thats been giving me hell for a year now, pain that wakes me up at night, so while you imagine that crawling over seats is easy for everyone, let me assure you that it is not. And furthermore, the driver of any car has a responsibility to park in an adequate spot to allow other drivers access to their vehicles.
Additionally, I dont fully believe you. Not saying you are lying on purpose, but probably not being fully honest with yourself. You get too mad at these non-events for me to believe you havent thought about confronting someone over something like this.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:42:08 AMI'm sorry, but acting like making a confrontation out of someone parking to close to you is perfectly normal behaviour is not rational behaviour.
See, you are STILL ignoring the point of asking the somali to move the car and being refused / called fat. It was not as simple as someone going off because of a parked car.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:42:08 AMYes, the right to speak your mind. And when your mind is, "Fuck you foreigners, the fuck are you even doing here, we are going to kill you all! And fuck your race too, your not even an American!", that is not a mind that agrees with Western morality and standards.
LOL Trump Trump Trump 60+ million votes.
Why are we importing muslims from somalia? Its muslims doing the killing there. Its muslims at war with each other and muslims killing xians.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 30, 2017, 01:46:38 AM
Yes, and if those Christians than responded with, "Fuck you atheists, one day we will kill you all! You aren't even American!", you people would flip your collective shit. Especially if you lived in a culture that encouraged a Christian to say something like that and then said, "Yeah, that response is perfectly acceptable, in part because we are a society with no self-control and in part because we are a society that believes atheists ARE a problem". And that's just in a debate over something arguably important (religion)... let's take it a step further and say the woman said that because you parked to close to her car.
Whats this 'you people' stuff?
BTW, I have had xians threaten to kill me. But I can recognize the difference between a wallyworld episode of "shit happens" vs a real threat to the somalis in this video. The woman never touched their car, even in her angriest moment. Never raise a hand towards them. Just a minor verbal exchange.
Quote from: Baruch on July 30, 2017, 12:58:12 AM
You must not have got out of the house much ... and your house was in Berkeley.
I met some of my first bigots in Berkeley. Particularly this one old guy who refused to shop at a certain store because they hired "n***ers". Yes, he was a staunch Republican. As was the old Reagan-loving dude we met in Santa Cruz who called Berkeley "N***ertown". "It was a nice town before they painted it black", he said. Then he started ranting at me and my friends about Jews, not knowing (or maybe knowing?) that one of us was Jewish.
Quote from: Atheon on July 30, 2017, 03:51:47 AM
I met some of my first bigots in Berkeley. Particularly this one old guy who refused to shop at a certain store because they hired "n***ers". Yes, he was a staunch Republican. As was the old Reagan-loving dude we met in Santa Cruz who called Berkeley "N***ertown". "It was a nice town before they painted it black", he said. Then he started ranting at me and my friends about Jews, not knowing (or maybe knowing?) that one of us was Jewish.
You know exactly what I meant, snowflake ;-)
I have been in parking altercations before, and they didn't all work out well. But then I am totally evil. Also, there are particular problems with Somali refugees going jihad, when their young men go back to Somalia.
This was an angry women whose fear spilled out of her mouth. When the accosted got back to their homes and among their "homies" and without the camera in record....I can imagine far worse being said.
Nope the old gal is not alone. I can stop for a brew at any of a hundred little red-neck joints within a few miles and meet Trumpers thumping their chests and telling everyone in ear shot how great Trump is...the same ones who promised Trump would be great. Much like religion....once you invest your ego.....shallow minds are forced to complete the ride or face the ridicule of being wrong.
Quote from: chill98 on July 30, 2017, 02:25:03 AM
Whats this 'you people' stuff?
I think hes a muslim
One of you is Berke Breathed, aren't you.
Quote from: aitm on July 30, 2017, 04:03:00 PM
This was an angry women whose fear spilled out of her mouth. When the accosted got back to their homes and among their "homies" and without the camera in record....I can imagine far worse being said.
Nope the old gal is not alone. I can stop for a brew at any of a hundred little red-neck joints within a few miles and meet Trumpers thumping their chests and telling everyone in ear shot how great Trump is...the same ones who promised Trump would be great. Much like religion....once you invest your ego.....shallow minds are forced to complete the ride or face the ridicule of being wrong.
I read a newspaper article where the reporter asked 3 random people in a midwest small town diner and none of them had the slightly knowledge about the Russian influence in the last election.
Trump supporters are generally ignorant of world events...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 03, 2017, 03:17:24 AM
I read a newspaper article where the reporter asked 3 random people in a midwest small town diner and none of them had the slightly knowledge about the Russian influence in the last election.
Trump supporters are generally ignorant of world events...
The small town people and farmer I have met, are way smarter than city dwellers, and geniuses compared to Washington DC. The cities and general and Washington DC will be ruins some day, visited by our tourists.
ITT: People are perfectly fine with a random person advocating genocide.
(https://i.imgur.com/joHaJki.png)
Sure, we accept there are idiots among us. The problem is when people in authority say such nonsense...
Here's another piece of racist trash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkg5_m9jO4Q&t=0s
Here's a hilarious one: Islamophobic bigots think empty bus seats are women wearing burkas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULhzj35yg8s
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2017, 09:56:53 AM
ITT: People are perfectly fine with a random person advocating genocide.
(https://i.imgur.com/joHaJki.png)
Not genocide, suicide ... shouldn't have drunk the water with the fluoride!
It amazes me that people broad brush an entire religious group or ethnicity based on the actions of a few. Comparatively speaking, the majority of global muslims are peaceful. Meanwhile, this woman is threatening to kill people who haven't done anything to her, personally. So she is "better than" them?
But she too doesn't represent all of "white America."
I hate generalizations, no matter what they're about.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 03, 2017, 10:39:17 AM
Sure, we accept there are idiots among us. The problem is when people in authority say such nonsense...
People in authority say this nonsense when idiots elect them.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2017, 05:46:46 PM
People in authority say this nonsense when idiots elect them.
This. We have had senators, generals, social powerhouses spew almost the exact same rhetoric, just a little more PC.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2017, 09:56:53 AM
ITT: People are perfectly fine with a random person advocating genocide.
ITT: People who are able to discern a real threat from those who aren't.
Quote from: aitm on August 03, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
ITT: People who are able to discern a real threat from those who aren't.
I don't worry, my cats will scratch your doggy bits all the way home ;-)
Quote from: aitm on August 03, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
ITT: People who are able to discern a real threat from those who aren't.
It wasn't a "real threat" when average Germans in the 1930's started making threats against Jews. And we all know how that turned out for the Jews.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
It wasn't a "real threat" when average Germans in the 1930's started making threats against Jews. And we all know how that turned out for the Jews.
Hindsight is so liberal ... always 20/20 looking back at our ancestor's mistakes. Foresight is so conservative ... always 20/20 looking into our descendent's mistakes.
Yes, yes ... the real threat was Howdy Doody and his subliminal messaging to Baby Boomer kids in the1950s ... we are doomed I tell you!
Churchill was right about the Nazis ... but only because a broken clock is right at least twice a lifetime.
Churchill's clock was broken because he wasn't driving on the right side of the road...
O.P. Shiranu - There are more than a few white Christian churches that teach the first ammendment gives you the right to choose any religion; just as long as it is Christian. They are indoctrinated to believe that there isnt any right in the first ammendment to choose to be a Muslim, or a Budhist or even a Satanist. I'm sure there are a few in North Dakota drinkin that kool aid.
Yes it is normal behavior for a Walmart parking lot, but as someone recently said in another post "argument by popularity doesn't make it right".
Interesting take on white pride. I suppose being proud of the better parts of American history is something to be proud of. For me after looking at the dark side of white history I've come to the conclusion that the white race is a freak of nature that survived only because of its extreme aggressiveness. well since I'm a white boy too, I guess I got a good reason not to keep a mirror in the house
Original Intent view of Constitution says ... N Dakota is right. They weren't including Muslims and Atheists in the original intent. The reason for religious tolerance, was to keep Protestants from killing each other. It was OK to kill Catholics (except for Maryland) and OK to kill pagans (Native Americans). And original intent, contrary to Lincoln, clearly allowed slavery, just not further importation of Africans.
But we are past that now ... this isn't the US of President Jefferson or Jackson (the two founders of the D party). Lincoln was arguably the founder of the R party.
The US has no future as the US. Like Fukuyama wrote at the end of the Cold War ... we are at the end of history. And the end of humanity too.
The thing is, it might not seem very threatening when one lone loon in a Walmart parking lot goes ham on a few people, but that person becomes a threat when he/she votes on Election Day to put someone in power who might be an advocate for genocide.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2017, 11:02:48 PM
It wasn't a "real threat" when average Germans in the 1930's started making threats against Jews. And we all know how that turned out for the Jews.
Godwin's law does not claim to articulate a fallacy; it is instead framed as a memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Quote from: Atheon on August 03, 2017, 12:17:52 PM
Here's another piece of racist trash:
More virtue signaling... ho hum.
Heres the story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4755068/Shocking-moment-woman-goes-rampage-Hollywood-Target.html
With the original video poster (youngTurks didnt even give credit where due):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2WyX1x9EnA
This is your example?! A sock clad mentally ill woman is evidence??!!
Took me about 5 minutes to find the original, with his comments about the incident in the description.
Quote from: Atheon on August 03, 2017, 12:19:35 PM
Here's a hilarious one: Islamophobic bigots think empty bus seats are women wearing burkas!
*coughNORWAYcough*
Slightly off topic but relevant to the inherent human behavior observed in this topic. The first one is from 2009 and a long, but worth it read:
QuoteHer reasoning is that kids are developmentally prone to in-group favoritism; they're going to form these preferences on their own. Children naturally try to categorize everything, and the attribute they rely on is that which is the most clearly visible.
http://www.newsweek.com/even-babies-discriminate-nurtureshock-excerpt-79233
From 2014:
QuoteThe idea of in-group bias is well established in behavioral science, and it has its roots long ago, in humanity's tribal era.
http://time.com/67092/baby-racists-survival-strategy/
and more currently:
QuoteCould babies start showing racist traits before they mumble their first word?
That’s the finding of two new studies out of the University of Toronto, published recently in the journal Child Development.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/13/your-baby-is-a-little-bit-racist-science-says/
And this works both ways. It is NOT a white only attribute. Everytime one of these immigrant populations goes and provokes an incident (parking too close and not doing the responsible thing - "sorry" and moving the car - rather attacking the offended person verbally) it reinforces the inherent stranger danger flight/fight core emotion.
The idea that we are evolving to a totally kumbaya (not just tolerant) non-ethnic, non-racial, non-genedered, bi-sexual global society of John Lennon freaks ... has no historical basis. I wish all the hippies had just died of drug overdose already. I would send all the liberals to the middle of the Middle East ... and remind the people there that Democrats hate them just as much as Republicans, to have at them!
Civilization advances have occurred in many places and among many cultures. No one group or time has had a monopoly on "freest society".
Advancing societies have changed through time, and will continue to change through time. The US is the latest, but will not last forever. And there have been and will continue to be times where no culture or nation has offered the best of humanity. Sometimes everything collapses for a while.
I hope we can hold on to some advancements for long enough to send out new colonies to other planets. We might expand and grow again culturally and numerically. The further we spread, the likelier we are to continue.
Why should killer apes expand across the solar system, let alone the galaxy? We are a part of the Earth environment, we aren not autonomous. We were born here, we will die here. Probably sooner than later.
I sometimes worry that we will not spread. That certain idiotic theists will work to prevent it. As I see it, the more we spread, the less likely we can kill ourselves off in one go.
Until we either meet our badder types out there or some extremely advanced peaceful species that will just send us back to grade school to learn how to act properly...
There is one thing I am sure of. We will never meet our equals out in space. It will either be like us meeting monkeys or we will be the monkeys. And probably not even that close a competition... Remember the cargo cults in the Pacific Islands? It won't even be that close.
If they come here, we're toast. If we get "there" they're toast.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 06, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
I sometimes worry that we will not spread. That certain idiotic theists will work to prevent it. As I see it, the more we spread, the less likely we can kill ourselves off in one go.
Until we either meet our badder types out there or some extremely advanced peaceful species that will just send us back to grade school to learn how to act properly...
There is one thing I am sure of. We will never meet our equals out in space. It will either be like us meeting monkeys or we will be the monkeys. And probably not even that close a competition... Remember the cargo cults in the Pacific Islands? It won't even be that close.
If they come here, we're toast. If we get "there" they're toast.
Spreading as in colonizing. The British Empire was Great (Britain)! We are destroying our only environment we can exist in. Existing in space or on planets, is like existing on Antarctica S Pole Station ... only as an extension of a more reasonable environment. But terraform away, in your own mind.