https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/19/despot-disguise-democracy-james-mcgill-buchanan-totalitarian-capitalism
but that doesn't make the Left wing good guys ;-(
Also Powell memo and PNAC ... it is pretty clear what crazy billionaires have been up to ... since 1913 (Federal Reserve).
Any Political side is the fabric of humanity, as in as every person is a complex creature of faults, virtues, temperaments and ideals, when they decide on a political side, those varying degrees translate into that political standard, and so creates the opposing dichotomy of "if your not with me your against me", leading to extremist political views on both sides.
The right is eviler than the left by many orders of magnitude.
Quote from: Atheon on July 21, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
The right is eviler than the left by many orders of magnitude.
This. Both sides may be "evil", or have "evil" segments, but not all evils are created equal. To act like the left and right are more or less the same is just objectively wrong.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 21, 2017, 09:34:58 AM
This. Both sides may be "evil", or have "evil" segments, but not all evils are created equal. To act like the left and right are more or less the same is just objectively wrong.
And what of lets say the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Hitler was regarded as right wing given his approach, his belief that jews needed to be wiped out, all that, but Stalin when looking at his history bears all the marks of someone you could see going though university today and wanting to take back what they think is owed to them. Those he attacked and killed, from the establishment to those opposing his methods, were just people trying to live their lives.
Both these war criminals serve as the most extreme examples of ideals gone to far on either end, and while its true the right can have more association with things like the church or religious practices, which creates its own mess in the structure of a secular society, it can't be left to think one side having all the power is a good thing, that just creates its own problems.
Quote from: Atheon on July 21, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
The right is eviler than the left by many orders of magnitude.
FEMA camp for you and your fellow comrades ... who ironically are opposed to Russian Communist Party ... who is hiding under bed. Boris Badenof confused!
Quote from: Munch on July 21, 2017, 12:42:59 PM
And what of lets say the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Hitler was regarded as right wing given his approach, his belief that jews needed to be wiped out, all that, but Stalin when looking at his history bears all the marks of someone you could see going though university today and wanting to take back what they think is owed to them. Those he attacked and killed, from the establishment to those opposing his methods, were just people trying to live their lives.
Both these war criminals serve as the most extreme examples of ideals gone to far on either end, and while its true the right can have more association with things like the church or religious practices, which creates its own mess in the structure of a secular society, it can't be left to think one side having all the power is a good thing, that just creates its own problems.
Atheon uses unusual definitions. For him, all pacifists are Left, anyone not a pacifist is Right. This is why there literally people out to kill him, on every street corner, unless he is at a Mahatma Gandhi convention ;-)
BTW ... both GB and US are war criminals post WW II. We aren't really different from the Axis ... except winning. Since I don't need to virtue signal, I am fine with our side winning instead of those other guys. Took 74 years for the Bolsheviks to collapse. But Marxism still rages on. Nazis are still around too, and not just Hitler clones in Argentina ... there is a little Hitler in everyone ... including Mahatma Gandhi (pro Hitler during WW II).
Quote from: Shiranu on July 21, 2017, 09:34:58 AM
This. Both sides may be "evil", or have "evil" segments, but not all evils are created equal. To act like the left and right are more or less the same is just objectively wrong.
No two people are the same, and they are both shit eating monkeys.
Okay, cool bro, we get you hate politicians, but that is irrelevant to the fact that they simply are not objectively comparable in harm they do.
And really? Turning republicans vs democrats into Hitler vs Stalin? Am I back in high school?
Quote from: Shiranu on July 21, 2017, 02:57:04 PM
Okay, cool bro, we get you hate politicians, but that is irrelevant to the fact that they simply are not objectively comparable in harm they do.
And really? Turning republicans vs democrats into Hitler vs Stalin? Am I back in high school?
You did argue on the varying degrees of evils on both sides, I just used the most extreme examples of political ideologies at their far worst, and why we all need to be careful of whoever we side with. This is also why I no longer vote
Quote from: Munch on July 21, 2017, 04:43:54 PM
You did argue on the varying degrees of evils on both sides, I just used the most extreme examples of political ideologies at their far worst, and why we all need to be careful of whoever we side with. This is also why I no longer vote
Okay, but even as much as I hate the republican platform, they aren't even remotely close to Hitler level. You don't have to be Hitler and Stalin to be bad. Nor are they on track to get that bad.
I am struggling to find a more accurate comparison... Like eating a shit sandwich or a mayonnaise sandwich. Yes, mayonnaise is fucking disgusting, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna say' "Whatever, I'll just let everyone else decide which I'll eat.". The mayonnaise sandwich is better any day of the week.
Like most of what you say, I just can't grasp that mindset. It's cutting your nose off to smite your own face...
But ... but ... according to Democrats, Hillary is St Joan, and Donald is the anti-Christ. Glad to see that some people don't see Democrats as ... Stalinists or Republicans as ... Nazis. Yes, any study of history would show they are not as bad ... except for the one million dead Vietnamese (D party), and the one million dead Iraqis (R party). It isn't bad unless you kill 10s of millions of people, mere millions are a mere statistic.
We can hope that the West doesn't turn full evil ... half evil is bad enough.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 21, 2017, 05:30:07 PM
Okay, but even as much as I hate the republican platform, they aren't even remotely close to Hitler level. You don't have to be Hitler and Stalin to be bad. Nor are they on track to get that bad.
I am struggling to find a more accurate comparison... Like eating a shit sandwich or a mayonnaise sandwich. Yes, mayonnaise is fucking disgusting, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna say' "Whatever, I'll just let everyone else decide which I'll eat.". The mayonnaise sandwich is better any day of the week.
Like most of what you say, I just can't grasp that mindset. It's cutting your nose off to smite your own face...
You don't have to be Hitler level to be evil. Trump level is just fine for "evil enough". The facts are closing in on Trump. He wants to be an authoritarian leader, but he will fail. The balance of power among our Branches Of Government are closing in around him.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 22, 2017, 03:30:39 AM
You don't have to be Hitler level to be evil. Trump level is just fine for "evil enough". The facts are closing in on Trump. He wants to be an authoritarian leader, but he will fail. The balance of power among our Branches Of Government are closing in around him.
FBI = evil
CIA = evil
DHS = evil
What is not to like? I wish they would cancel all elections, make those three agencies the three branches of government. Evil is good.
Quote from: Baruch on July 21, 2017, 01:33:05 PM
No two people are the same, and they are both shit eating monkeys.
I don't eat it... I throw it
Quote from: Baruch on July 22, 2017, 07:32:06 AM
FBI = evil
CIA = evil
DHS = evil
What is not to like? I wish they would cancel all elections, make those three agencies the three branches of government. Evil is good.
circular firing squad. The only people that win are the ones that sell body armor
The Rs aren't even close to Hitler? seriously? Wall st is responsible for the deaths of millions of people
and the destruction of billions of lives around the world... unless you're making a point of Hitler being a Christian, I am sure they are more than half way there
"circular firing squad. The only people that win are the ones that sell body armor"
First sentence ... the current political scene in the US
Second sentence ... didn't the President offer to see 100s of billions of arms to SA ... who attacked us on 9/11? No conspiracy ... move along citizen.
Yes, I remember Vietnam. Older brother and older cousin served in country. The D-party is virtuous, because they are going to turn us all SJW with their gay-dar.
The democrats and the republicans both serve the same deep state. Whichever one 'wins' just has to do with the popular culture of the day. The deep state puts forward the party it thinks will have the best effect on the masses.
QuoteThe Rs aren't even close to Hitler? seriously? Wall st is responsible for the deaths of millions of people
and the destruction of billions of lives around the world... unless you're making a point of Hitler being a Christian, I am sure they are more than half way there
The Rs are destructive through short-sightedness and selfish policy. Hitler was destructive through purely evil policy. There is a difference, like it or not. Democrats are guilty for countless suffering as well through short-sighted and selfish policy, as well as cowardly accepting Republican offers.
The damage America has done is due to it's power and protecting it's power, not because it is, as a whole, evil. Nazi Germany you cannot say the same; the Germans were broken and poor, and fueled their rebirth on an ideology of pure hatred.
Americans do countless damage because of our capitalistic, selfish society; that transcends Republicanism or Democraticism and thus I don't hold either party overly responsible for that. Once that is taken out the equation, the Republicans are still horribly, objectively worse than the Democrats in terms of policy. But if we are using Hitler/Stalin comparisons, than they are Richard Nixon... still really shitty, but just cant be compared. Corrupt and selfish, but not evil.
Never thought I would actually have to defend the Republicans.
Nixon was a liberal, compared to contemporary R party hacks.
when pharmaceutical companies continue to sell drugs when they already have positive proof that thousands of people have already been killed by that drug, is evil.
when oil companies continue to pump frac chemicals into the ground close to drinking water supplies when they know people will get sick, is also evil.
when oil companies overthrow the governments of small countries because they refuse to let them drill, is also evil
when the the medical community pushes a treatment like kemotherapy that has an overall success rate of less than 15% as if it some kind of magic; just so they can make a wad of cash; is also evil.
when the A.M.A. covers up cures for cancer and labels the researches as quacks, is also evil.
I dont have a complete list, but when I say Wall St is responsible for the deaths of millions of people, it isn't a figure of speech. So who are the vast majority of executive board members of Wall st companies? Ds or Rs
Love of money ... and power ... is more powerful than any human virtue. If Gandhi had been offered a good hamburger, he would have stopped being Hindu!
Quote from: fencerider on July 27, 2017, 02:22:59 AM
when pharmaceutical companies continue to sell drugs when they already have positive proof that thousands of people have already been killed by that drug, is evil.
when oil companies continue to pump frac chemicals into the ground close to drinking water supplies when they know people will get sick, is also evil.
when oil companies overthrow the governments of small countries because they refuse to let them drill, is also evil
when the the medical community pushes a treatment like kemotherapy that has an overall success rate of less than 15% as if it some kind of magic; just so they can make a wad of cash; is also evil.
when the A.M.A. covers up cures for cancer and labels the researches as quacks, is also evil.
I dont have a complete list, but when I say Wall St is responsible for the deaths of millions of people, it isn't a figure of speech. So who are the vast majority of executive board members of Wall st companies? Ds or Rs
Agree with the first 3. Doubtful on the last 2
Looks like there are still a few Republicans with a conscience. The "skinny repeal" was thankfully defeated. Obamacare lives on, for now. Good. Trump will throw a twitter tantrum!
Quote from: Atheon on July 28, 2017, 02:45:33 AM
Looks like there are still a few Republicans with a conscience. The "skinny repeal" was thankfully defeated. Obamacare lives on, for now. Good. Trump will throw a twitter tantrum!
I look forward to the newest Trump twitter tantrum! Anything that shows Trump for the fool he is is fine with me. And BTW, his new friend Scaramucchi is a real gem too.
Quote from: Atheon on July 28, 2017, 02:45:33 AM
Looks like there are still a few Republicans with a conscience. The "skinny repeal" was thankfully defeated. Obamacare lives on, for now. Good. Trump will throw a twitter tantrum!
You mean, you were saved by McCain, who has brain cancer? Hope you mean someone else. If McCain is your savior, then you are a neocon playing dress-up.
The toddler tantrum of The Mouch ... had me laughing harder than I had in 20 years! It is like a clown, jumping off a building because he is suicidally depressed, and who then falls up! If I were the Don, I would have him do all my Tweets ... no need for Trump to not go play another round of golf.
Scaramucchi is just what Trump wants around him. Worthless, dependable, and disposable...