https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638TIucikys
One has a Q and the other has a W.
Humans habitually lie, Muslim or not.
Quote from: Atheon on July 12, 2017, 01:35:47 AM
One has a Q and the other has a W.
The most obvious is most often right. Remington's Razor...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 08:02:05 AM
The most obvious is most often right. Remington's Razor...
I liked my paradox shaving so well, I bought the whole logic ...
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran
I wouldn’t go about it that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed . That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major issue .
her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched with eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the eagle .nails ,etc.
if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 08, 2017, 06:46:09 AM
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran
I wouldn’t go about it that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed . That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major issue .
her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched with eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the eagle .nails ,etc.
if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.
You may be too smart to post here. Brights who enter the room, only get complaints from the Dims, for blinding them ;-)
Shia are the Catholics of Islam. In Islam, Protestantism happened first. So they are already Reformed from the beginning. And they had their Enlightenment before the West, with the falsafa (philosophers). I am a fan of Medieval Islamic-Jewish theology myself. The Christians had gone thru a similar process in the Roman period, mixing Christianity up with Platonism (initially). Mixing with Aristotelianism came much later. The Christians getting theirs from Aristotelian Muslims.
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 08, 2017, 06:46:09 AM
I watched the video . its okay considering Persian shia can sail through theology college without taking a look at the quran
I wouldn’t go about it that way. I would do Taqiyya and Ta’reed . That is the doctrine .Ta’reed is a major issue .
her eyes darted to the left when she posed to think . to dart them to the right she moved her head. In the end she used both hands to pull her hair backwards as she stretched with eyes darting to the left . the outfit and the eagle .nails ,etc.
if i find time I will do a little introduction of the doctrine.
Spare us the teaching. You won't get any converts here.
Was that middle paragraph Moslem porn?
convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being you have to be useful in Islam, else you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 09, 2017, 06:26:13 AM
convert you to what? listen conversion has rules , one being you have to be useful in Islam, else you get your head taken off. Catholicism , i really doubt they would want to convert you . lets not flatter oneself . and try to talk to the topic . .
On Ta'reed ...
http://www.qariqasim.com/2012/02/22/prohibition-of-lying-in-islam/
You sure talk a lot about Islam, for a Catholic ;-)
Takiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes. In rabbinic Judaism, gossiping is considered the second worst sin after murder, because gossiping (something we are doing all the time about our favorite politicians) is murder of a person's reputation. Unfortunately, there is a lot of "fake news" going back to the founding of every religion, since religion is an exercise in human imagination.
QuoteTakiyya was invented by Shites to keep their heads, living in Sunni regimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4wBeshTsw
Ibn Khaldon wrote:Quoteone being you have to be useful in Islam, else you get your head taken off.
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.
Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.
Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?
I agree with PR, So now I am going to gag in the toilet... LOL!
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Ibn Khaldon wrote:
Conversion is very easy, all it is required is to recite the shahadah in front of 2 witnesses.
Could you please explain what it is meant by "being useful in Islam"?
S a l a f i s t s want you to do more, to convert, reaffirm. But they are heretics. The Dwim here literally won't let me type what I want. I have to fake it out. Newspeak is here!
To be useful in Islam is to fight in the way of Allah, slay and be slain for theirs shall be the garden
Quran 9:111
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
To be useful in Islam is to fight in the way of Allah, slay and be slain for theirs shall be the garden
Quran 9:111
As would any patriot. As would any theocrat from the time of Oliver Cromwell.
yes yes , that is true . die for Allah . we call them cannon fodder. Yes become Muslim please, give him the explosive belt , send him to blow himself up
one incident in Arabia … A British soldier would not abandon his cannon . the Arabs were telling him flee with us and fight another day .they couldn’t understand that British soldier code . To do or die
now now we do need Christians in Ramadan . Muslims fasting , incapacitated . position bunch of Christians in government offices to do the work while fasting Muslim sleeps . no no you can’t convert to islam . we need you to stay Christian
actually if you go by the quran conversion to Islam is not possible . sorry allah says you can't
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
To be useful in Islam is to fight in the way of Allah, slay and be slain for theirs shall be the garden
Quran 9:111
Jihad, right?
Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,
Qur'an 4:95
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,
Qur'an 4:95
Wow the Koran is more repetitive than the christian text? "Say it once and then say it again reversed"... Dumber than I knew.
And that "special reward" is...? Be honest...
Allah's celestial whore house.
Quote from: pr126 on August 09, 2017, 02:24:30 PM
Allah's celestial whore house.
Yep. And who are the whores? All the women to you?
There is another bonus. The sahid also gets 70 of his relatives to paradise (intercession).
Families also get stipends (https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund#/Stipends) by the state. (your taxes at work.)
Case in point:
http://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/jakarta-woman-defends-suicide-terror-plot/news-story/7b2fa6bc13f007b9fc5dc693aeddcd72
QuoteA woman alleged to be Indonesia's first would-be suicide bomber has told her trial that she believed the terror attack would help her parents "enter heaven".
Dian Yulia Novi, along with six others including her husband, is accused of plotting a suicide-bomb attack targeting guards at the Presidential Palace in Jakarta in December last year.
The 28-year-old told her trial at East Jakarta District Court on Wednesday that she was motivated to carry out the plot to create "good deeds" for her parents.
"The blessing from 'jihad' could help my parents enter heaven," Novi said.
"Suicide is for people who are desperate in their life while I wasn't desperate in life. (Jihad) for me is a (good) deed to uphold 'dien' (religion) in Indonesia."
https://islamqa.info/en/8511
Praise be to Allaah.
QuoteIt was reported in the hadeeth of al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Karb that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“The martyr (shaheed) has seven blessings from Allaah: he is forgiven from the moment his blood is first shed; he will be shown his place in Paradise; he will be spared the trial of the grave; and he will be secure on the Day of the Greatest Terror (the Day of Judgement); there will be placed on his head a crown of dignity, one ruby of which is better than this world and all that is in it; he will be married to seventy-two of al-hoor al-‘iyn; and he will be permitted to intercede for seventy of his relatives.â€
What a nice
religion death cult. It is a win win.
Survive and get the loot and slaves, die and go to paradise.
Islam thrives on low IQ superstitious people who obey unquestioningly.
Islam's worst enemy is knowledge.
Here are few rules for you .
1- never take any translation of verses of the Qurans for granted . they are all no good specially the ones peddled by Turkey and oil rich gulf States.for English speakers there is only one appropriate translation.
2- Ascertain the reason why the verse was coined . usually they were coined to address an issue and usually according to Mohammed whims as well as to serve his interests as he saw them \
3- Trace the source of the verse. The quran is for the most part a Jewish book .no ill will meant by that .I like Jews . Its Jewish heresies, legend anyway. Ask Brauch if you don’t believe . he said he is Jewish heretic. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law . I’m always available for hire as counselor of course. .
4- That means ascertain if the verse is before or after Hijra . if before then 80 % probability its based on a Jewish source. .
5- Apply textual analysis to the verse to pin point linguistic comprehension errors, etc. . usually any thing in brackets is an indication.
Few more rules but I will skip them except for one that relates to the posted verse which is that text is to be understood according to how it was understood by its contemporaries
The verse ,specified above as 5:95 , is from surat al nisa . Originally it said those who fight and give money are better than those who sit home . A blind man came to Mohammed and objected . Mohammed revised the verse to exclude blind people referred to in the sura in arabic as Ula al Adrar â€" ice blind people. This is not clear in the English translation. The important thing to note , only blind people are excluded . the rest are better who die for Allah or donate their wealth than those who sit home sort of thing. . but even if let’s say the verse excluded invalids in general , it does not exclude kids or women , or elderly ,etc . two it does not prohibit invalids from blowing themselves up .in practice it works to provide an excuse for only blind people. anyone else can be a suicide bomber . so boko haram uses child suicide bombers , drugged cannon fodder, prostitutes, cut throats , mentally disturbed people , guys who have to do it because boko haram has their relatives hostages and if they don’t Boko haram kills them ,etc, for the person to be blind and blows himself into smithereens he has to want to . he can still do it . if he doesn’t allah doesn’t penalize him for it. If he does Allah is tickled.
@Cavebear ..you got it ? quiz next week. Study hard . fail and more loans for you. Just don’t want you to end up living in fifth wheel trailer. You have to get an education. I care about you. i do .maybe not . who knows ?
you still haven't figured out what makes for useful in Islam. nice tries. proud of you
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 09, 2017, 01:39:01 PM
yes yes , that is true . die for Allah . we call them cannon fodder. Yes become Muslim please, give him the explosive belt , send him to blow himself up
one incident in Arabia … A British soldier would not abandon his cannon . the Arabs were telling him flee with us and fight another day .they couldn’t understand that British soldier code . To do or die
now now we do need Christians in Ramadan . Muslims fasting , incapacitated . position bunch of Christians in government offices to do the work while fasting Muslim sleeps . no no you can’t convert to islam . we need you to stay Christian
actually if you go by the quran conversion to Islam is not possible . sorry allah says you can't
In Judaism, this is called a "Shabbos goy". Common Semitic culture ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on August 09, 2017, 02:07:00 PM
Wow the Koran is more repetitive than the christian text? "Say it once and then say it again reversed"... Dumber than I knew.
And that "special reward" is...? Be honest...
This is an aspect of Biblical poetry also. Parallelism of synonyms. Of course, one can do that in any language. But again this shows common Semitic culture.
There is very selective appreciation of poetry among our regulars. My geekness has kept my artistry dormant, so I have a hard time with poetry too.
@Baruch.you know I knew I could count on you .thanks for input . but hey listen In my introduction , the Yiddish was a question as well as diversionary . multi level stuff. Not to address AL Rahman caste doubt as to your claim as to being a Jewish heretic and teacher of Hebrew. Small doubt though. I believe in you. But then it could have been just uncalled for level of expertise. . .i give you the benefit of doubt . Still time to fix it . you can’t , I’ll help you
Yes, in Venice / Europe Jews provided excellent service in terms of banking and interest business . Jews too where Shabbat goy. Works the same in all areas
its sajaa" more so like rhyme than parallelism in the quran and it does make good case for rambling charges which i think what the poster meant . no excuse for that just because others did it . .
Quote from: Ibn Khaldun on August 10, 2017, 05:16:29 AM
@Cavebear ..you got it ? quiz next week. Study hard . fail and more loans for you. Just don’t want you to end up living in fifth wheel trailer. You have to get an education. I care about you. i do .maybe not . who knows ?
you still haven't figured out what makes for useful in Islam. nice tries. proud of you
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You are so pathetically wrong.
Well, for starters, I am retired. I own my home, car, etc. Have no debts. Not a dime to anyone end of month.
I have a degree in Political Science and a minor in Europe and Middle East history. So you are SO laughingly wrong about all that.
Beyond that, I don't care what you think. Middle East history is merely a series of fanatical bloodbaths. Mostly internal ones.
Islam started by slaughtering the locals, then moved along North Africa killing all the Christians on the way. You probably don't know that. Then your theist ancestors attacked Christian Europe at Constantinople and Spain massacres all as they went.
Well, of COURSE the Christians fought back. Who wouldn't? Your invasions of Eastern Europe and Spain CAUSED the Crusades. The Europeans were having enough trouble with the Vikings attacking them all over the place. They didn't want to bother YOU. But you had to attack them both sides.
So after they finally whipped/assimilated the Vikings, there you were in their territory. And all military-trained. What did you THINK they were going to do? Beg for mercy?
Of COURSE they wanted their territory back.
Now, I'm not saying the battles were justified. I think Christians then were crazy thugs, As you guys are now.
I'm just saying the Christians didn't actually start the fight... You did. Read some actual history...
I believe Taqqiyah has been misunderstood. It does not advocate for wholesale lying without shame or reason. Rather, it encompasses principles even an atheist would agree with. If your life is in danger, say as a shia muslim or non-Takfiri muslim or an atheist in the lands of ISIS, and the only way you know you can survive is by hiding your faith and saying what they want to hear, then this is permissible.
If someone will persecute you or cause you harm because of your faith, you can hide it. Rather than dying continuing to proclaim your faith, Islam allows you to preserve and protect your life first, as well as stopping chaos occurring in society.
Quote from: A Shia Muslim on August 15, 2017, 06:32:56 AM
I believe Taqqiyah has been misunderstood. It does not advocate for wholesale lying without shame or reason. Rather, it encompasses principles even an atheist would agree with. If your life is in danger, say as a shia muslim or non-Takfiri muslim or an atheist in the lands of ISIS, and the only way you know you can survive is by hiding your faith and saying what they want to hear, then this is permissible.
If someone will persecute you or cause you harm because of your faith, you can hide it. Rather than dying continuing to proclaim your faith, Islam allows you to preserve and protect your life first, as well as stopping chaos occurring in society.
Martyrs are life haters anyway. Masochistic murderers. So, all of a sudden, you get your act together? Which is the real you? I had almost given up on you ;-(
Quote from: A Shia Muslim on August 15, 2017, 06:32:56 AM
I believe Taqqiyah has been misunderstood. It does not advocate for wholesale lying without shame or reason. Rather, it encompasses principles even an atheist would agree with. If your life is in danger, say as a shia muslim or non-Takfiri muslim or an atheist in the lands of ISIS, and the only way you know you can survive is by hiding your faith and saying what they want to hear, then this is permissible.
If someone will persecute you or cause you harm because of your faith, you can hide it. Rather than dying continuing to proclaim your faith, Islam allows you to preserve and protect your life first, as well as stopping chaos occurring in society.
That sure disagrees with "die Infidel". One might realize you are not true to your faith! Be careful "there"...
Quote from: pr126 on July 12, 2017, 01:26:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638TIucikys
Thanks for posting this. It's very informative. I didn't know that raping a non-Muslim woman is not an offence in Islam and a Muslim is permitted to lie in court to save a Muslim rapist.
You need to organize your skeptical growing up ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLKrmw906TM
Takiyya (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx)
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)
The goal to protect and spread Islam is obligatory to every Muslim by any means necessary.
Including A Shia Muslim who posts here.
Quote from: pr126 on October 04, 2017, 11:47:52 PM
Takiyya (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx)
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)
The goal to protect and spread Islam is obligatory to every Muslim by any means necessary.
Including A Shia Muslim who posts here.
Sounds like a Democrat President discussing legal theory ;-( What is the definition of "is"?
Quote from: Baruch on October 05, 2017, 12:18:17 AM
Sounds like a Democrat President discussing legal theory ;-( What is the definition of "is"?
It is routine among many faiths to allow lying to advance the faith.
Quote from: Cavebear on October 08, 2017, 04:31:55 AM
It is routine among many faiths to allow lying to advance the faith.
True. Since politics and religion both involve lying ... that is why they get along so well ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on October 08, 2017, 05:31:55 PM
True. Since politics and religion both involve lying ... that is why they get along so well ;-)
I was only referring to religion. Your furtherment of the statement to include politics gets no argument from me.