He's going the way of Amanda Bynes:
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/shia-labeouf-arrest-police-body-cam-footage-watch-video-1202492238/
Good Luck with that, Shia
meh.
Shame. He seems like a cool guy when he is sane or sober. Some people can just never get their life together.
Hopefully he goes the route of Robert Downey Jr and realises he is on a crash course.
Quote from: aitm on July 11, 2017, 08:04:01 PM
meh.
It is kind of meh, in an "It's his life" kind of way. Losers are a dime a dozen, and the world is not harmed in a significant way when someone decides to piss his life away. But I hate to see someone go out of his way to humiliate himself like that.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
Shame. He seems like a cool guy when he is sane or sober. Some people can just never get their life together.
Hopefully he goes the route of Robert Downey Jr and realises he is on a crash course.
He hasn't seemed to realize it yet, and this is hardly a first for him.
"he tried to ask a police office for a cigarette, and was arrested"
It's illegal to ask someone for a cigarette?
Why didn't Amanda Bynes do porn?
Also Robert Downey Jr is awesome.
This is what happens when you O.D. on identity politics. The far left have become disgusting monsters. A caricature of what they despise. And it's a shame because not only are they now what they despise, they effectively caused the right to generate their own version of the same thing, in recoil.
I've personally snapped in terms of this ridiculousness. The Trump administration and the temper tantrums on either side of the political spectrum.... Not in the sense that I've become a raging buffoon like LeBeouf, in the sense that I just don't care anymore. I don't care that Trump is the president, the only thing that concerns me about this administration is that I don't know if I'm going to have proper medical coverage under medicaid.... which I don't even know if I will need in the near future.
I hate to say this over and over again, but the extreme left created this mess. There has been more irrationality on the left than the right. And this is coming from me, someone on the left. It's so stupid. There isn't enough time in the day to deal with all the stupidity on both ends. And then if you do, you risk getting consumed completely, like Shia did and so many others. Speaking of which, I don't want to name any names, but one member on here, who hasn't been active for a while on the site, but was friends with me on facebook, went completely off the deep end. The liberal extreme deep end. Unfriended me and blocked me because I pointed out the obvious hate mongering in a video he shared. He deleted my comment, and then when I asked him why via private message, he deleted me. Go figure. Just goes to show you how irrational everyone has become.
Anyway. I know I went on a complete tangent, but it's semi-related, I'm tired and about to go to sleep.
QuoteThis is what happens when you O.D. on identity politics.
Dude... what?
That's like saying Mel Gibson O.D.ed on right-wingism or Nazism with his anti-semitic remarks while drunk af. You know I cant stand the right-wing, but not even I am like, "Well, this is just more right-wing bullshit!". The guy was just insane + drunk af. To try to paint this as some left-vs-right issue is the exact definition of doing exactly what you are complaining about, making this identity politics.
Shia has been off the deep end long before identity politics was a part of our jargon, and long before he probably even knew what left or right was.
QuoteAnd it's a shame because not only are they now what they despise, they effectively caused the right to generate their own version of the same thing, in recoil.
Again... what? It's like saying chicken vs egg, but right-wing nutjobs have had dominance in the media and government for decades. If anything, it's the exact opposite of what you said.
I think you do need to get some sleep lol.
Here's the thing... even republicans are jumping ship because of the racism and bigotry of the party. That isn't identity politics, that's truth. When your own side thinks your racist, I think it's deeper than just, "The other guy hates me!".
If one of my people bites the head off the chicken ... he ain't with us, right?
Quote from: Baruch on July 12, 2017, 06:32:51 AM
If one of my people bites the head off the chicken ... he ain't with us, right?
If that standard is applied to both sides, than no, he "aint with us". And I don't think Mel Gibson is representative of right-wingers even though he said some really racist, fucked up shit. I think he is drunk and insane, just like LeBeouf.
Quote from: Atheon on July 11, 2017, 10:03:46 PM
It's illegal to ask someone for a cigarette?
That wasn't why he was arrested. From a different article:
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Shia LaBeouf was arrested overnight for public drunkenness, obstruction, and disorderly conduct.
His humiliation and loss of self control is self inflicted (see video).
Quote from: Shiranu on July 12, 2017, 04:38:10 AM
That's like saying Mel Gibson O.D.ed on right-wingism or Nazism with his anti-semitic remarks while drunk af.
Shia mentions identity to the black cop in his remark, "I'm on your side," but this is irrelevant to the problem and just something he thoughtlessly blurted out in a drunken jabber. Shia may or may not have other mental issues as well. I don't know.
Aside from being of interest as the object of celebrity gossip, he's in a bad place and well on his way to ruining his life. I'm fairly confident that he needs to either control his drinking, or stop it altogether. That part he can control. If other issues are involved like a chemical imbalance, he may be able to control that through medications.
From what I've read about his history, alcohol abuse seems to come up in everything he's gotten himself into. It might be that simple of an issue. Either way, it pains me to see people do this to themselves. I don't care if they are famous, political, insane, or just part of the nameless rabble.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 12, 2017, 04:38:10 AM
Dude... what?
That's like saying Mel Gibson O.D.ed on right-wingism or Nazism with his anti-semitic remarks while drunk af. You know I cant stand the right-wing, but not even I am like, "Well, this is just more right-wing bullshit!". The guy was just insane + drunk af. To try to paint this as some left-vs-right issue is the exact definition of doing exactly what you are complaining about, making this identity politics.
Shia has been off the deep end long before identity politics was a part of our jargon, and long before he probably even knew what left or right was.
Again... what? It's like saying chicken vs egg, but right-wing nutjobs have had dominance in the media and government for decades. If anything, it's the exact opposite of what you said.
I think you do need to get some sleep lol.
Here's the thing... even republicans are jumping ship because of the racism and bigotry of the party. That isn't identity politics, that's truth. When your own side thinks your racist, I think it's deeper than just, "The other guy hates me!".
^This is what happens when you O.D. On identity politics.
Right.
The chicken and the egg issue is easy to solve, just like this one. The egg came first, because it was an egg that had the chicken. And even though the conservatives have been conservative this whole time, the extreme left went around lumping everyone in to groups and demonizing them as nazis and the like, just because they see even the slightest reason in a conservative talking point.... Or lack of reason in a liberal talking point.
The alt-left (extreme left) is the originator here. But the issue isn't even that they are the ones that started this, it's that they are the single most toxic and irrational political identity. And that's a massive feat because we have the Right... And now also the alt-right.
Everyone on the alt-left is calling other people racist when it simply isn't so. They call other liberals nazis and alt-right. It's fucking dumb. Stop being dumb.
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Except that is literally is not true, when alt-right media has been mainstream for decades while I ask you to name me one alt left mainstream channel or syndicated radio program.
Likewise alt right politicians, and their predecessors, have been in Washington for 30+ years making actual laws that actually fuck people over. Tell me one far left politician that has a significant effect on American politics. Bernie Sanders?
I don't care who was first, both are in the wrong, but that doesn't mean I am okay with outright lies being told about one because you don't like them. And calling the alt left the most toxic and irrational political identity tells me you haven't given up, you have just adopted your own prejudice and shoved your head ten feet up someone's ass. Because if you believe the left is what is wrong, the biggest wrong in politics, then someone has fed you one glutton's meal of bull shit.
"mainstream"? I assume you mean on TV or radio that you can get on your car radio?
Sorry bud, but that is no longer mainstream, since most people get their news from the internet.
HuffingtonPost is more mainstream than all of those. BuzzFeed is more mainstream than all of those. The Young Turks are mainstream than all of those.
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I don't believe the left is wrong. I believe the extreme left is wrong on most things, especially their approach, just like the extreme right is wrong on most things, especially their approach. Know the difference.
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If you can't tell the difference between the left and the alt-left (extreme left) (or whatever you'd like to call it), you probably are alt-left and you overdosed on identity politics.
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I'll agree with you on Huffpost, but to claim that TYT or Buzzfeed (out side of their quizzes) is bigger and more influential than say FOX News or that one that owns the majority of local news channels is simply absurd, especially when you consider that our generation doesn't vote and our generation are not in positions of power in corporations or education institutions. In reality these organizations are still overwhelmingly run by older white men who, strictly statistically, are more likely to hold conservative biases and watch traditional news than younger generations.
The internet is an amazing tool, but it's very easy to mistake it for the norm in the real world when in reality it only amplifies the very polar opposites of an already small and inaccurate cross section of the overall population.
Alright, and I don't honestly know who you were referring to in those last two posts. They certainly weren't in reference to me...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 12, 2017, 11:58:38 AM
The chicken and the egg issue is easy to solve, just like this one. The egg came first, because it was an egg that had the chicken. And even though the conservatives have been conservative this whole time, the extreme left went around lumping everyone in to groups and demonizing them as nazis and the like, just because they see even the slightest reason in a conservative talking point.... Or lack of reason in a liberal talking point.
The alt-left (extreme left) is the originator here. But the issue isn't even that they are the ones that started this, it's that they are the single most toxic and irrational political identity. And that's a massive feat because we have the Right... And now also the alt-right.
Everyone on the alt-left is calling other people racist when it simply isn't so. They call other liberals nazis and alt-right. It's fucking dumb. Stop being dumb.
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Anti-Fa were the street commies in Germany in the 20s-30s. They aren't new. They are pure Lenin and Trotsky. Stalin shut them down as much as Hitler and the Brown Shirts did, because he can't tolerate communists that he doesn't control (COMINTERN). Most of the neocons we have today (Bill Krystol for instance) were Trotsky-ite agitators in the 60s.
Bring back the draft. Draft any young person wearing black. Send them to Cambodia for a properly socialist education.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 12, 2017, 12:57:11 PM
I'll agree with you on Huffpost, but to claim that TYT or Buzzfeed (out side of their quizzes) is bigger and more influential than say FOX News or that one that owns the majority of local news channels is simply absurd, especially when you consider that our generation doesn't vote and our generation are not in positions of power in corporations or education institutions. In reality these organizations are still overwhelmingly run by older white men who, strictly statistically, are more likely to hold conservative biases and watch traditional news than younger generations.
The internet is an amazing tool, but it's very easy to mistake it for the norm in the real world when in reality it only amplifies the very polar opposites of an already small and inaccurate cross section of the overall population.
I think Fox and Comcast radio network suck ... but what you want is a Communist Revolution, with all media run like Pravda, by the anti-Fa cadre, right? Are you sure you aren't our past poster (Etienne) from another life?
Prove how liberal you are, by putting black-hispanic surnamed, gay-trans children in charge ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 12, 2017, 01:01:06 PM
Alright, and I don't honestly know who you were referring to in those last two posts. They certainly weren't in reference to me...
If you can tell the difference between the left and the alt-left, the last one wasn't directed to you. If you can't, it is.
Quote from: Baruch on July 12, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
I think Fox and Comcast radio network suck ... but what you want is a Communist Revolution, with all media run like Pravda, by the anti-Fa cadre, right? Are you sure you aren't our past poster (Etienne) from another life?
Prove how liberal you are, by putting black-hispanic surnamed, gay-trans children in charge ;-)
No, I don't. I rather our media be predominately run by groups like NPR, Reuters, AP or Al Jazeera, organizations that do actual investigative work themselves rather than just being left or right pundits.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 12, 2017, 01:16:52 PM
If you can tell the difference between the left and the alt-left, the last one wasn't directed to you. If you can't, it is.
I just don't know anyone here like that, so it seemed weird to direct two posts towards that group. But it's more than possible I just didn't realise there are people here that think that way.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 12, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
I just don't know anyone here like that, so it seemed weird to direct two posts towards that group. But it's more than possible I just didn't realize there are people here that think that way.
Well, as I mentioned before. I had a member that I was pretty good friends with from here go off the deep end. I wouldn't doubt if there was at least 1 or more people that have completely lost it... because 1 or two already have, without me naming names. Like... we all know pr lost touch with reality, but he's on the other end of the spectrum. I'm talking about people getting consumed by the extreme left identity.
Identity politics are no bueno.
I would argue that identity politics are an oxymoron, so no wonder it's been a total failure and cancer.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 12, 2017, 03:18:40 PM
I would argue that identity politics are an oxymoron, so no wonder it's been a total failure and cancer.
Yes, identity politics comes from "fellow travelers" ... who usually keep their own identity mysterious.
meh...we rave about those to whom, "life gave lemons and they made lemonade", we should equally disparage those to whom "life gave roses and they shit on the pot".
Quote from: aitm on July 12, 2017, 07:57:14 PM
we should equally disparage those to whom "life gave roses and they shit on the pot".
This may be a frequent response to people who shit on their roses, and such behavior could easily be described as repulsive. It might include two simultaneous responses as repulsive and pity at the same time. When I watched that video, it was like watching a car wreck. I had to watch it, but I didn't want to watch it either. Amanda Bynes, I think, just went nuts and somehow slipped through the cracks missing out on any help that may or may not have been available. There was no indication in her early years that she was going to go "weird", so I'm assuming something in her psychological/physical makeup just broke. At a conscious level, I doubt that she chose to destroy her life. I suppose it's possible, but it doesn't make sense to me. At some unconscious, level, I get it. That's where the motivations for irrational behavior usually come from.
I think LeBeouf just drinks too much, although that may be related to other psychological factors. I've read that veterans often self medicate with alcohol to deal with Post Traumatic Stress. LeBeouf may have thought he was entitled to an even brighter future, and is trying to dull the pain of failure by getting drunk and punishing himself by self inflicted humiliation.
I used to wonder if he had special connections in Hollywood. He was in several films, but never impressed me in any of them beyond the first Transformers movie. I think he is talented, but there's something about him that never registered as "actor" to me, and I always thought of him as an actor with a short shelf life. And instead of hanging out in a sea side mansion in Malibu, he's getting drunk, bumming cigarettes from strangers, and baiting cops.
There are some people who rise to greatness from ashes, and some to descend to ashes from greatness. 99% of us live in between. I am glad for those who rise and sad for those who fall.
But most of us stay in the parameters of our parents. If I were the son of a successful entrepreneur, I would probably also be one. If my parents had been businesspeople, I probably would also be. If my family were performers, I probably would be one myself. You most often become what you are most exposed to.
My parents were agnostic middle-class office types. I became one. I understood the idea and it suited me well.
It might be a mere personal affectation that makes me think I would have been an atheist regardless of family upbringing (my parents were studiously agnostic), but one never knows, does one?
And if your parents were cave bears, you would shit in the woods, not in the cave ;-)
If your parents were care bears, you would give people the Stare.
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/carebears/images/9/9d/The_Care_Bear_Stare_in_the_colors_of_the_rainbow.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140302163813)
Or expose them to your radioactive belly. Whatever.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 16, 2017, 12:50:08 AM
If your parents were care bears, you would give people the Stare.
(https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/carebears/images/9/9d/The_Care_Bear_Stare_in_the_colors_of_the_rainbow.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140302163813)
Or expose them to your radioactive belly. Whatever.
SJW bears ... aieeee
Last night I watched Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. To my surprise Shia, turned up in the movie. When I saw that movie years ago, I didn't know who he was and forgot about him until I saw Transformers, where I thought I was seeing him for the first time.
Yes, alien crystals skulls had a way of deranging people ... Shia shouldn't have touched them.
After Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, it was all crap. Bad humor even.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 18, 2017, 03:30:12 AM
After Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, it was all crap. Bad humor even.
There was one film in the series that Harrison Ford once confessed, "I wish I'd never made that film." This was something I was told. I never investigated it.
I'll bet it wasn't one of his first few... Success in the first few never seems regrettable.