Held over from another thread... Thought this deserved it own thread as it goes in a different direction
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 10, 2017, 10:21:40 AM
You still haven't answered my question. What do you do with your "talents?"
What I am most proud of is the fact that God has given me the ability to answer questions on atheist web sites that most can not. It isn't the questions so much is how I get the answers... Sometimes I have no idea about what I want to say and it will come to me in chunks. Meaning All I know is I need to type and I can start mid sentence and finish typing, and then after that I will get the opening and then the finaly. or God will allow me to see events as I type, and I just write it down as I see it. (what happened to the evolution/creation thread) then I go back through my various resources and vet what I saw... Unbelievable when it all just comes together like that.
And sometimes I am given a word at a time and when I proof read it is like Whoa! where did that come from! Again I check everything against scripture before i post it. and usually can cross reference a fact or point 3 different ways.
So What have I done in the past?
High school minister,
collage minister, (mainly answered their questions gave them arguments for their professors.)
organized 'group dating" in the church a dozen or so got married out of that X2 on the kids. (one divorce that I know of) for the collage age students. (including myself)
Inner city ministry, and bus driver,
inner city camp organizer and lead camp consular (means I has to wrestle down the big guys when they decided to bring the gang stuff to camp.) set up fake bear attacks, visits from chain saw maniacs at 2am that sort of thing.
Also got some of my customers to sponser food every year. (enough to feed 70 kids and 20 adults)
We did an acepella sing group that went around the central down town lake and sang till 1 or 2 in the morning. Just about every sunday night (that was awesome) one of the high rise residents near by invited us in the main ballroom to sing in there and I could swear I hear the angels singing with us.. it was so beautiful that the residents came down to listen... then got the group to sing and feed the homeless a few times, then we were broken up by some gay rights people because of the hateful things we were singing about??? (hymns and christian pop music)
hateful songs like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nScaAluVbXM
Not us, we would have buried these guys... Not a dry eye in the building when we sang with the angels.
This song embodies what I teach, why we can have so many different religions in christian, with each of us doing our best, and yet our best does not have to reflect the best of the guy next to us, we could be singing n the complete opposite direction, yet through the chaos there is a unity and harmony because we are all focused on the same God.
Afterwards I asked God to help me make a real difference in one person's life.
Because i had influence for like one day with most people then by next sunday they were in the same spot. So i asked God to help me make some real change. Then a week later he sent me the woman I married. (Trich is what she goes by on af.org there are some pics of her clothed hotness) two months after we met I found out via a call from her mom (she OD'd meet them at the hospital) she has a small 200 dollar a day heroin problem.. As I sat in the waiting room I was planning to call some other girl and I heard someone say,
you wanted to help someone change, and now that you have been given the opportunity you seek to bury your talent? My heart sank, and I made up my mind to help her.
When they let us back, she pleaded for a second chance and I told her she didn't even have to ask. that she and her problem was an answer to my prayer... Now 7 years later after we have been married 5 years I was ready to give up. I had spent everything (Jesus said sell all you have and come and follow me I did I went into debt to follow him, I had negative nothing, and this was the second time I've did something similar) and I was ready to quit, then she OD'd in the bathroom of a barns and noble. Blue, needle out her arm slumped over a toilet. The ambulance was call DOA they revived her and a few months later the local sheriff served a warrant @ 3am which was the night of our final fight she was on the couch and I tld her to move in with her mom... She never did as she came back with a new determination. Has been drug free since. no AA no support other than what we came up with together.
About that time or a little before my business/with a partner was failing (second attempt) because partner seem to have a drug problem as well. (gone for 30 days, they handled the books and the payouts) SO I worked till the credit card stopped without pay (which was about a month) then he cam back and a month later did it again, 2nd week in an owner to a big Ice plant whom I've only ever seen once before, didn't ever speak with Him before, came to me and asked WFT was with the company billing. I told him the situation and he asked if I could do the work and keep u with the paper work as well I said yes, He said how much I need to start.. I thought about it and said 50K he ask can I do it for 25K I said I think so and next morning he invited me and my wife (who was a mess) to breakfast and wrote a check the second time I spoke with the man. (interest free) paid it back with in a year.
That started my first business. and got me out of debt. after a few years we saved our money durning the housing boom, and wanted a house, but I felt as this was all given to us I offered it to God first meaning I promised God I would spend the money on an opportunity involving the business first if He put something in front of us... He did. Went from a refrigeration repair to a refrigeration dealer, sales service and installation, then from a dealer to dealer to training facility, from trainer to R&D on all electric trucks (after one 3 week training course I put together and help sponsored through a local votech school in the area we invited the manufacturer who was Italian and all the dealers to send their best and brightest mechanics) I taught the class based off of the information I was learning from the engineers the night before. We were able to certify 40 techs after that 3 weeks.
After that school they asked me (the itialian engineers) to look at some schematics of an all new electrical system they could not make work. Then I was invited to a meeting with a military battery manufacturer in the area and basically wrote/hand drew out the solution to make the batteries work with the high amp AC system. (I built what we now call the power management system) on the back of a piece of scrap paper while the nasa types argued in the room.
When they stopped one asked if I was bored and what was I coloring. I threw down my solution. both sides laughed and said it wouldn't work/too simple. I said not only I could build this with the less than 500 dollars over the weekend, it would it would charge discharge switch from the different polarities and phase select (everything they wanted to do but could not figure out how for under 10K. So the battery company owner called to accounting asked for 500 petty cash to be brough into the meeting and he counted it out before me and said come monday I better have a working proto type or my 500 back. So we not only did i build the power management system (from scrap areo space surplus store) I installed it on the truck with the batteries and unit and everything worked!
That meeting was awesome they thought they were going to get a couple home made boxes full of wire and junk. I put everything these ex-m1abrams diagnostic cases (huge pelican military looking boxes) that stacked and interlocked. They thought they were going to bench test for several weeks while I have already skipped to application and they tested outside for over a month not one failure!
(got two patents out of that one.) was screwed out of it by the corporate guys... had me r&D another project kept everything close to the vest and wrote my own letters and got my own lawyer and patented the next one on my own. (sold it) disolved the dealership and r&D, was picked up by a competing refrigeration supplier, moved to a bigger building, nicer part of town. Went back to doing what we do best (building refrigerated trucks) Then had to get a dealer's licenses because local commercial dealers were taking too much after we did all the leg work, so subdivided the company
Refrigeration repair/ reefer dealer sales and service.
independent Truck/car dealer
Commercial truck up fitter.
and I still consult from time to time with that government contractor.
Not too bad for someone who taught himself to read and write from comic book lae in life huh?
(if you think I had anything to do with business sucess you missed the point. this was all resowing what God gave us.)
Oh, btw rather than buy a house we are having one built now hope to move in mid September
(got lots of pics and names and customers and websites I could share to back most all of this up.) Also been known to invite people down to check it all out themselves...
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Afraid to admit that your deeds are pitifully lacking?
just missed the question. kinda have a lot on my plates.
When I was a Christian, I was simultaneously leading in the student service tech team, singing in the band, writing skits for Sunday school,[/quote] oh, yeah i did puppets with the innercity kids too.
Quoteleading discussions in Sunday school, volunteering in vacation Bible school, volunteering in outreach projects, helping with various charity organizations, giving my own money to the church before I had a job, and aspiring to bring glory to God in my daily life by being as kind, generous, and forgiving as possible, and praying for God's leadership and opportunities to win souls.
berry nica!
(engrish for very nice)
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So please, Mr. Righteous. Impress me. Tell me what you've been doing with what God gave to you.
This does include being diagnosed with AIDs nor being told by my doctor I have a 98% chance of prostate or bone marrow cancer, which took over a year's worth of test to determine I am indeed in the 2% This does not include any of the miraculous stuff just what God gave me what i did with it and what more he gave me to be responsible with.. Nor does this include the huge opportunities that will carry us into the future... Lord willing.
It may sound like I was bragging, i am just honestly and the the very best of my ability answer your question the best I can.
To me it sounds like we started building our house/faith the same way, till the winds and rain came and washed your house away. and I just kept building on what remained solid.
Let me guess - school's out for summer and you've got nothing but time on your hands? You really expect anyone to read all that?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 10, 2017, 04:50:45 PM
Let me guess - school's out for summer and you've got nothing but time on your hands? You really expect anyone to read all that?
I expect one of you to because he asked me to write all of that out.
QuoteWhat I am most proud of is the fact that God has given me the ability to answer questions on atheist web sites that most can not.
You give yourself far too much credit.
Proverbs 27:2, "Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Jeremiah 9:23, "Thus says the LORD, "Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches;..."
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
Held over from another thread... Thought this deserved it own thread as it goes in a different direction
You already had two threads about your testimony. There was no need for a third.
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11695.0
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11682.0
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PMWhat I am most proud of is the fact that God has given me the ability to answer questions on atheist web sites that most can not.
I've noticed a funny thing about these posts you're so proud of. I can usually read the first few sentences and already know everything I need to know. Your posts are that shallow, and you're extremely long winded. And in case you haven't noticed, you haven't had much success here. Furthermore, if this is the thing you are most proud of when it comes to the use of your talents, that is very pitiful. I am not impressed.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PMjust missed the question. kinda have a lot on my plates.
You directly replied to the post where I asked that question. That's not missing my question, that's evasion.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PMberry nica!
(engrish for very nice)
Yes. Your status as a comedian was established earlier.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PMTo me it sounds like we started building our house/faith the same way, till the winds and rain came and washed your house away. and I just kept building on what remained solid.
No. The rain came and submerged my house completely with unceasing water that covered the highest mountains. Meanwhile, you live in a sandcastle that you insist is made of stone.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 04:47:46 PMSometimes I have no idea about what I want to say and it will come to me in chunks.
And it shows.
I've rarely seen a more self-absorbed, sanctimonious and narcissistic theist as poster Drich0150. Not surprisingly, he assumes others are interested in his particular religious dogma and, with expected feigned astonishment, is aghast when others demonstrate they don't care what he believes.
Jesus.
not as many spelling errors this time
collage is a big pic made up from smaller pics or objects
college is a place where people go to learn things
your not the creator of thermoking or carrier are you? I drive a reefer box truck (ha drive everyday and forgot what it is- I think thermoking) stupid thing keeps going on defrost when it its hot instead of getting to temp. and it also thinks that if the temp goes up something is wrong and shuts off the unit. Very bad programming of the controller
What do you mean when you say " when I was a Christian" ?
Quote from: Shiranu on July 10, 2017, 06:10:30 PM
You give yourself far too much credit.
Proverbs 27:2, "Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Jeremiah 9:23, "Thus says the LORD, "Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches;..."
Hey Shiranu!!! can you write that on a piece of paper and send it to Trump? I think he claims to be Christian
It's no wonder Christians have such a poor grasp on reality, look how contradicting their beliefs are.
QuoteGE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26 Man is to have dominion over fish, birds, cattle, and all wild animals, yet--
GE 2:15-17 It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil, right from wrong.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience as well as with the fact that God allegedly does not change his mind: NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17.)
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
Just same examples.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html
Drew: "Sometimes I have no idea about what I want to say and it will come to me in chunks."
Indeed Drew, you hurl chunks regularly...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 07:01:44 AM
Drew: "Sometimes I have no idea about what I want to say and it will come to me in chunks."
Indeed Drew, you hurl chunks regularly...
Drich not Drew ... you furball you ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 10, 2017, 06:10:30 PM
You give yourself far too much credit.
Proverbs 27:2, "Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own lips."
Jeremiah 9:23, "Thus says the LORD, "Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches;..."
Glob...
Am I not the "other man/The stranger" boasting of
God's wisdom?
Or let me ask it another way.. Where do you see me taking credit for answering the questions on my own, using my wisdom??
Lest you think I am God, then please note I am boasting about the job God has given me. The wisdom is His. I simply have been granted access to it.
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Am I not the "other man/The stranger" boasting of God's wisdom?
No, you aren't. I have been here awhile, and I have seen your "special" wisdom time and time again, from people who think themselves as divinely inspired and unique as yourself.
You aren't unique, you're narcissistic and think more of yourself than you really should.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 10, 2017, 06:29:47 PM
You already had two threads about your testimony. There was no need for a third.
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11695.0
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11682.0
Weren't you the one who challenged me about how I used my talents? then why call this post a testmony? All of this happened long after my tesimony. This is me using my 'talents' to navigate life and serve God despite the obsticales, and it also show God rewarding me with much more than what I started with.
You asked your question and got your answer here. I posted here because it takes the other subject off topic (the use of my talents) verses a thread dedicated to biblically based questions and other people's perception on religion.
QuoteI've noticed a funny thing about these posts you're so proud of.
Not posts. people and how I receive my answers.
QuoteI can usually read the first few sentences and already know everything I need to know.
and it shows that you read little more than a couple of lines. as your follow up are often speaking to stereotypes and generalities that completely contradict what it is I have written.
QuoteYour posts are that shallow, and you're extremely long winded.
You mean simply to understand but explained in great detail. Einstein once said if you can not explain something simply you yourself truly do not grasp the subject matter. I can go as deep as you like, but i tailor my responses to those I am speaking with. As I pointed out I am also an instructor and as such know 'we' often teach to the slowest guy in the room. Meaning if you do not like my pace then raise the bar. show me you can keep up with something more than me connecting all the Spiritual dots all of the time. I would love an adult conversation concerning Christianity once and again myself. At best you speak to christian stereotypes as you have too little knowledge to speak out against the bible based Christian I have brought to this table. So you try and cut and paste other arguments that work for other mainstream forms of Christianity.
QuoteAnd in case you haven't noticed, you haven't had much success here.
I to not presume to measure or be in a position to judge another man's heart. I simply have a task to do and will do faithfully despite my ability to foresee what is or will be reaped.
QuoteFurthermore, if this is the thing you are most proud of when it comes to the use of your talents, that is very pitiful. I am not impressed.
Indeed. it is. I could be alot more proud of my success or wealth or 3000 square ft custom home that is being built on 10 acres backed up to the national forrest... But no I like interacting with 'you people' not because of you... but because here is where I get the most interaction with God. Being given answers to things I have little understanding of is outstanding. Imagine having no idea about something and then being filled with it. then you check it out via google/resource material and it is right... So yeah, spending time with God like this trumps all the other stuff.
QuoteYou directly replied to the post where I asked that question. That's not missing my question, that's evasion.
Hey dip doo doo, I am answering your question here i did not evade anything as I answered line by line everything you had to ask. And what's more I gave you special attention and marquee'd it with it's own thread and title!!!
QuoteYes. Your status as a comedian was established earlier.
maybe this time I as establishing my ethnicity.
QuoteNo. The rain came and submerged my house completely with unceasing water that covered the highest mountains.
Another answered prayer ;) God is good Amen?!?!
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Meanwhile, you live in a sandcastle that you insist is made of stone.
[/quote]Did you read any Hell'lights into some of the things I said? 7 years of heroin addiction maybe.. starting @ 200 a day. You know the addiction does not end at 200 a day, it grows... Then rehabs with the wrong kind of insurance is not cheap. Did you read the part where I went into massive debt? Did you read that was not the first time "I sold everything and followed Jesus/do what was right?" Did you read the part where my business partner also took to Drugs and I lost everything there?
Did you read where I remain faithful and continued to seek God? even after it was all gone? I took what I had after all of that and without any hope or knoweledge of my next pay I kept on going back to work over and over until all means of work was taken from me. then went out looking for another job just to take care of my broken idea of a family.. to preserve my vows and honor my role as a husband...
Does that not sound like wind and rain? does that not equal being covered up in a flood? I didn't even mention how my dad fell apart when he found out, then started lying/making up stories to try and break us up. yet I remain faithful to what I believed was right. I read job through all of that and asked God to pour it on I wasn't going to be moved... He did, and it got so bad (I got sick, she od'd in the bathroom of the B&N, money was all gone she pawned everything) I pushed through at work but was working in the literal rain and the wind and while in my service truck running a high fever, just broke and cried mercy God.. over and over those two words were all I could think of.
Then I found mercy. He backed off, things started to get better. so everytime we got something new we reinvested into what He had built from the time where He broke me of my will and have since been adding to His Will, His building point.
So yeah, I Have no problems admitting I am building a sand castle, but at the same time know this sand castle is being built on God's foundation, and as such is being protected by Him.
QuoteWhat I am most proud of is the fact that God has given me the ability to answer questions on atheist web sites that most can not.
My premade answer to this: Well ring-a-ding-ding. That "talent" and 15 cents will buy you exactly 15 cents worth of shitty coffee at Dennys. Spend wisely. I would like to say that I'm in the least bit interested in your "talent", but I'm opposed to lying on the basis that anyone who believes they have all the answers is full of shit..among many other reasons.
Quote from: fencerider on July 10, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
not as many spelling errors this time
collage is a big pic made up from smaller pics or objects
college is a place where people go to learn things
noted.
Quoteyour not the creator of thermoking or carrier are you?
My first business is thermo king service. We do service the big trailers. I worked for TK for 10 years and ran their east coast mobile shop. then was let go because a nephew of the owner want my job. So I got up with my business partner who was the carrier general manager for the region and we had at it for two years I did the TK stuff he did the carrier work, till he got back into the drugs.
There are actually two other brands in North America Zanotti which is the itilian manufacturer I spoke of and developed an all electric reefer that would run a 8 hour day without having to be recharged. (we sold 25 to a company in NYC because they were being fined 1,000,000 a day for making deliveries with diesel powered reefers @ 3am. All electric sounded like maybe your outside air cond being turned on. that was 5 years ago never heard of any major failures..
Then ATC is a Canadian company which I do business with now. I also still have close ties to Carrier and TK as I am a insulated box builder for smaller cargo vans and full size delivery vans. We sell nation wide.
QuoteI drive a reefer box truck (ha drive everyday and forgot what it is- I think thermoking) stupid thing keeps going on defrost when it its hot instead of getting to temp.
older unit I would say klixon is bad or bad air switch new unit maybe bad coil temp sensor.
or your fans may not be turning to speed or their could be debris in the evap keeping the air flow low.
Quoteand it also thinks that if the temp goes up something is wrong and shuts off the unit.
what alarm codes? do any of the lines ice over?
QuoteVery bad programming of the controller
it's all pretty easy if you just take the time to learn the buttons and screen prompts.
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What do you mean when you say " when I was a Christian" ?
When I belonged to a religious organization should be "small c"
Quote from: Munch on July 11, 2017, 05:10:12 AM
It's no wonder Christians have such a poor grasp on reality, look how contradicting their beliefs are.
Just same examples.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html
And just below is a link to "answer" all of your examples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIdUlp3QAsk
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11675.0
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
No, you aren't. I have been here awhile, and I have seen your "special" wisdom time and time again, from people who think themselves as divinely inspired and unique as yourself.
You aren't unique, you're narcissistic and think more of yourself than you really should.
Can you refute topically anything I've said here concerning the bible, God or the answers I gave pertaining to them?
No, you say? that's why you've moved on to character assassination you say? That's typical Can't refute the message, so try and kill the messenger.
Otherwise why not do both if it were in your power to do so? like I did with your resident pharisee?
I took a message he gave disected his message concerning the Holy Spirit, then compared it to translation source that showed he was lying and or in error...
THEN I proceeded to assisanate his character by asking which was worse the fact that He didn't know or the fact that he thinks he can repersent 1/2 truths without being called out.
That's how it is done when you complaint is legit when the person teaching does not know what He is talking about. You destroy the message THEN you question or take out the messenger..
For you to forgo the message and attack me personally reeks of incompetence and or intellectual laziness. Meaning you are to stupid or too lazy to address anything I said. So rather than stain yourself and consider that what I am saying contains truth of God you just default to your comfortable position that God does not exist and therefore I must be lying.
Here is the problem If God does not exist then you should be able to take down my arguments. at lest one of you. If you can't then in your mind you should recognize that I am smarter than you (if you insist there is no God) -Or- It is as I say it is and I do indeed have access to the Same Holy Spirit That has written the bible, therefore I have HIS Answers, which is why all of you hit that brick wall topically and move to attack me personally.
So then what does it say about you and your intellect if you whole position revolves around ad Hom attack? I need you to see that this is the sum total of your efforts in my thread. You attack me rather than address the topics. Now if I'm the stupid one, what does it make you? The one who can not defend their ideology against the stupid one? That you in all your great wisdom is reduced down to trying to shame someone into silence because I am not following your social protocol?
Again if you are right, then first show me to be in error topically then break me down personally and examine my motives. This way you will not be seen as the fool taking a victory lap in the middle of the race.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 11, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
My premade answer to this: Well ring-a-ding-ding. That "talent" and 15 cents will buy you exactly 15 cents worth of shitty coffee at Dennys. Spend wisely. I would like to say that I'm in the least bit interested in your "talent", but I'm opposed to lying on the basis that anyone who believes they have all the answers is full of shit..among many other reasons.
Actually that "talent" has bought me three patentable items, one of which I owned and sold and bought into a much bigger building in a very upscale side of town. or did you not get to that part yet??
***Spoiler alert!!!***
Read the Whole OP before you read this.
Quote from: Baruch on July 11, 2017, 07:09:42 AM
Drich not Drew ... you furball you ;-)
I'm not convinced that they aren't the same chat-bot.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
No, you aren't. I have been here awhile, and I have seen your "special" wisdom time and time again, from people who think themselves as divinely inspired and unique as yourself.
You aren't unique, you're narcissistic and think more of yourself than you really should.
Well, once you believe that the All-knowing, All-powerful Creator of the universe cares about you to the extent of sacrificing His only-begotten Son for your particular well-being, it tends to make you think very highly of yourself.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 11, 2017, 04:54:53 PM
Well, once you believe that the All-knowing, All-powerful Creator of the universe cares about you to the extent of sacrificing His only-begotten Son for your particular well-being, it tends to make you think very highly of yourself.
Imagine how much more would be true if you knew what you said to be absolutly true!!!
QuoteCan you refute topically anything I've said here concerning the bible, God or the answers I gave pertaining to them?
More than likely, I just have no reason to because I am really indifferent about your god and your bible.
Quotethat's why you've moved on to character assassination you say?
You're the one who brought your character up, not me. And boy, do you seem to like to go on about it.
Mathew 6:1-34 - “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ..."
QuoteFor you to forgo the message and attack me personally reeks of incompetence and or intellectual laziness. Meaning you are to stupid or too lazy to address anything I said. So rather than stain yourself and consider that what I am saying contains truth of God you just default to your comfortable position that God does not exist and therefore I must be lying.
Luke 18: 9-14 - "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.â€
Your Jesus, if not your god, would not approve of you. That has to be at least a little humbling, no?
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 11, 2017, 05:20:36 PM
Imagine how much more would be true if you knew what you said to be absolutly true!!!
yeah, we could kill gays and make women marry their rapist...yeah gawd! If people were forced to follow real xianity upon death, you would be dead.
the truck is 2012 freightliner and the reefer is carrier. Its a lease truck. took it to Penske couple times and they said it was fixed. should be part of the programming of a del truck. ya del means the door is gonna get opened 10-20 times a day. Its gonna get out of range. I think the only code i ever saw was err.3
well said Shiranu. Even if he's 100% right nobody is going to listen to someone that brags so much. I think that if he was a part of the church I was going to he probably would have gotten himself thrown out rather quickly (an independant fundamentalist baptist church;whatever that means; where a whole lot of people found their faith and a relationship with god... not that I did)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 07:34:38 PM
More than likely, I just have no reason to because I am really indifferent about your god and your bible.
You're the one who brought your character up, not me. And boy, do you seem to like to go on about it.
Bwahahaha No youre not!!! look how you confront me when and where you can. You just know that you sundae school efforts will not be enough... ooops spoke too soon, looks like I'm about to be sundae schooled.
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Mathew 6:1-34 - “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ..."
Luke 18: 9-14 - "He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’
I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.â€
Your Jesus, if not your god, would not approve of you. That has to be at least a little humbling, no?
Well, one I was challenged asked to provide a 'list' of examples of me using my talents and God increasing them. So then am I supposed to deny an explanation for the joy that is inside of me because it may offend some other atheist who does not believe in God because he was given squat?
Riddle me this sport if God thought I was not humble in what I said and do, don't you think He would have humbled me? Infact He has many times over the years.. you simply do not understand the meaning of the word. If you did.. maybe you would not be where you are with God.
Did you know not all forms of pride are evil? The only forms of pride that are evil is the pride one has in himself/life. Pride in God is not a sin. So to identify the source of my pride look at to whom I give credit for my accomplishments.
Quote from: aitm on July 11, 2017, 07:47:40 PM
yeah, we could kill gays and make women marry their rapist...yeah gawd! If people were forced to follow real xianity upon death, you would be dead.
You do know there is a difference between OT Judaism and Christianity right? The primary one being no one practices OT judaism anymore.
Quote from: fencerider on July 11, 2017, 10:03:33 PM
the truck is 2012 freightliner and the reefer is carrier. Its a lease truck. took it to Penske couple times and they said it was fixed. should be part of the programming of a del truck. ya del means the door is gonna get opened 10-20 times a day. Its gonna get out of range. I think the only code i ever saw was err.3
Err3 in an internal micro fault. It is a failure in the control logic. Micro has to be changed if the problem persists.
Quote from: fencerider on July 11, 2017, 10:08:35 PM
well said Shiranu. Even if he's 100% right nobody is going to listen to someone that brags so much.
Who is bragging? Jesus was 100% right and like me Gave credit back to God, and still they hated him to the point of murder.
QuoteI think that if he was a part of the church I was going to he probably would have gotten himself thrown out rather quickly (an independant fundamentalist baptist church;whatever that means; where a whole lot of people found their faith and a relationship with god... not that I did)
Actually guys who know God in a serious way tend to break off and seek out new opportunities.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 12, 2017, 08:50:20 AM
You do know there is a difference between OT Judaism and Christianity right? The primary one being no one practices OT judaism anymore.
Those who know G-d, know what being Jewish is all about. And yes, we don't have a Temple to sacrifice goats in, not that it made any sense ever. And I would include Christians and Muslims ... who know G-d. I consider them to be Jewish. Being a secular Israeli ... isn't Jewish.
In Judaism they used to let one goat go and kill the other goat. That's why Barabbas was let go and Jesus was killed. So Jesus was basically the final sacrifice, since he was the sacrificial goat par excellence.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 12, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
In Judaism they used to let one goat go and kill the other goat. That's why Barabbas was let go and Jesus was killed. So Jesus was basically the final sacrifice, since he was the sacrificial goat par excellence.
So why place the social law of the jews/law of moses on to a gentile?
Who knows? Not me.
If you can't keep up with all of your little snarky comments don't expect for me to keep tally either.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 12, 2017, 02:11:42 PM
In Judaism they used to let one goat go and kill the other goat. That's why Barabbas was let go and Jesus was killed. So Jesus was basically the final sacrifice, since he was the sacrificial goat par excellence.
If you "get god's goat" ... god might be pissed off at you ;-)
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 12, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
So why place the social law of the jews/law of moses on to a gentile?
No point, since by definition, Gentiles are not smart. Why put social laws on apes?
But that is the problem I have with humans ...
They think it is OK to lie, defraud and steal ... and if that isn't enough, it is OK to assault, rape and murder. Damn those social laws ... always getting in the way of a good apocalypse!
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 12, 2017, 08:50:20 AM
You do know there is a difference between OT Judaism and Christianity right? The primary one being no one practices OT judaism anymore.
says the guy who ignores where jebus says he does not come to abolish the law of the prophets, but to fulfill them...twist your panties in all the knots you want boy, your a babbleshitter. You xians do not practice Christianity, you are a simple heretic, like the rest of your ilk. God, if he existed, will have his way with your prostate.
Quote from: aitm on July 12, 2017, 08:05:08 PM
says the guy who ignores where jebus says he does not come to abolish the law of the prophets, but to fulfill them...twist your panties in all the knots you want boy, your a babbleshitter. You xians do not practice Christianity, you are a simple heretic, like the rest of your ilk. God, if he existed, will have his way with your prostate.
You can't be this stupid...
IF OT Judaism Could not be changed at all... Then there could not be NT Christianity. WE WOULD STILL BE PRACTICING OT JUDAISM!!!
That said OT law never pertained to anyone not a Jew, So if we are gentiles then what is it we are to adhere to, as just by the nature of our birth makes us 'unclean.'
So let us review:
OT Judaism - No Changes= OT Judaism
OT Judaism + NT changes= NT Christianity.
The NT is all about those changes and how the came about starting with Christ's dying words in relation to what was said in mat 5.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 12, 2017, 08:48:55 AMYou just know that you sundae school efforts will not be enough... ooops spoke too soon, looks like I'm about to be sundae schooled.
It's been a long time since I've been inside a church, but I'm fairly certain the word you're looking for is "Sunday school". Sundae refers to an ice cream dessert.
*wonders if Drich has ever been to church or is just a horrible speller*
Oh look, another asinine thread.
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Quote from: Hydra009 on July 13, 2017, 10:27:15 AM
It's been a long time since I've been inside a church, but I'm fairly certain the word you're looking for is "Sunday school". Sundae refers to an ice cream dessert.
*wonders if Drich has ever been to church or is just a horrible speller*
His spelling is just as creative as this theology ;-)
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 13, 2017, 09:45:51 AM
You can't be this stupid...
IF OT Judaism Could not be changed at all... Then there could not be NT Christianity. WE WOULD STILL BE PRACTICING OT JUDAISM!!!
That said OT law never pertained to anyone not a Jew, So if we are gentiles then what is it we are to adhere to, as just by the nature of our birth makes us 'unclean.'
So let us review:
OT Judaism - No Changes= OT Judaism
OT Judaism + NT changes= NT Christianity.
The NT is all about those changes and how the came about starting with Christ's dying words in relation to what was said in mat 5.
Hence ...
Christianity = non-semitic Gentile batshit crazy
Islam = semitic Gentile batshit crazy
Funny. When I was a Christian, people used to say, "God only gives us what we can handle. If he's testing you that much, he must know you can handle a lot." Now that I'm not a Christian, their story has changed to, "Your house was built on sand." They've changed from saying that God doesn't overwhelm us to saying that it's my fault for not having enough faith.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 13, 2017, 10:27:15 AM
It's been a long time since I've been inside a church, but I'm fairly certain the word you're looking for is "Sunday school". Sundae refers to an ice cream dessert.
*wonders if Drich has ever been to church or is just a horrible speller*
Sunday school has simple biblicaly accurate lessons to learn in an hour or two time.
Sundae school are the 'sweet' B/S things centering around Christianity, you all tell and teach yourselves in order to feel superior to this religion.
Sundae (because it sounds right) but when you look at it critically it melts away.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 13, 2017, 11:05:07 AM
Oh look, another asinine thread.
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before you jump on to this topic shouldn't you at least try and answer the last one you asked me to answer for you? ( on the nature of the division of the NT and OT law)
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2017, 01:11:54 PM
Funny. When I was a Christian, people used to say, "God only gives us what we can handle. If he's testing you that much, he must know you can handle a lot." Now that I'm not a Christian, their story has changed to, "Your house was built on sand." They've changed from saying that God doesn't overwhelm us to saying that it's my fault for not having enough faith.
WFT are you talking about?
Building you house on the sand is a JESUS Parable. He is the one telling you your faith will fail. The Story of the prodigal son is Another JESUS Parable telling us of your specific situation. How can you say 'we are just now telling you of these things, if they have been apart of the bible since the beginning???'
God not testing you beyond your breaking point... what or where in the bible does it say your breaking point is your faith??? In light of the prodigal son, and the story of the wise and foolish builders, your faith is not what is on the table here, but perhaps your very will to live. Look at Job. His faith was tested and ultimately over time did indeed fail. He asked God why as he could not make sense of his suffering. That said Job's will to live never was taken from Him or even approached even when others may have caved in his situation..
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2017, 01:11:54 PM
Funny. When I was a Christian, people used to say, "God only gives us what we can handle. If he's testing you that much, he must know you can handle a lot." Now that I'm not a Christian, their story has changed to, "Your house was built on sand." They've changed from saying that God doesn't overwhelm us to saying that it's my fault for not having enough faith.
Rather your atheism like mine was an answer to an earnest prayer... The only difference betwee us is I kept knocking as outlined by luke 11 and you assumed because you failed, because God was not made in your image.. that there could not be a God.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 13, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
Rather your atheism like mine was an answer to an earnest prayer... The only difference betwee us is I kept knocking as outlined by luke 11 and you assumed because you failed, because God was not made in your image.. that there could not be a God.
Per your avatar, you must worship the Great Sunflower, not the Great Pumpkin. No Linus for you!
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 13, 2017, 03:46:38 PM
Rather your atheism like mine was an answer to an earnest prayer... The only difference betwee us is I kept knocking as outlined by luke 11 and you assumed because you failed, because God was not made in your image.. that there could not be a God.
Hey, dumbass. Are you too thick to understand a simple contradiction of logic? Either God does not give us more than we can handle, or people lose faith when God tests them. You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 12, 2017, 08:48:55 AM
Bwahahaha No youre not!!! look how you confront me when and where you can. You just know that you sundae school efforts will not be enough... ooops spoke too soon, looks like I'm about to be sundae schooled.
Well, one I was challenged asked to provide a 'list' of examples of me using my talents and God increasing them. So then am I supposed to deny an explanation for the joy that is inside of me because it may offend some other atheist who does not believe in God because he was given squat?
Riddle me this sport if God thought I was not humble in what I said and do, don't you think He would have humbled me? Infact He has many times over the years.. you simply do not understand the meaning of the word. If you did.. maybe you would not be where you are with God.
Did you know not all forms of pride are evil? The only forms of pride that are evil is the pride one has in himself/life. Pride in God is not a sin. So to identify the source of my pride look at to whom I give credit for my accomplishments.
Yeah, no, you're still just a self absorbed tool who your Jesus would dislike.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 13, 2017, 07:22:17 PM
Yeah, no, you're still just a self absorbed tool who your Jesus would dislike.
I think you meant not 'tool', but 'fool'. Easy to make that mistake.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
No, you aren't. I have been here awhile, and I have seen your "special" wisdom time and time again, from people who think themselves as divinely inspired and unique as yourself.
You aren't unique, you're narcissistic and think more of yourself than you really should.
Hear hear! Yes, the newbies come thinking they have great new arguments. But they are so old and repetitive to us. The newbies just imagine their arguments are new and will suddenly convince us.
Sometimes I deeply hope to see an actual new theistic argument. But they live in the past and there are no new arguments...
The humour to me is that, out of all of us here, I am probably one of, if not the most, sympathetic to theists and really have no problem with religion... and yet he thinks it's because of his theism that I don't like him.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 14, 2017, 05:27:15 AM
The humour to me is that, out of all of us here, I am probably one of, if not the most, sympathetic to theists and really have no problem with religion... and yet he thinks it's because of his theism that I don't like him.
I have some sympathy for theists, but it is the condescending kind. Poor superstitious fools...
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 13, 2017, 06:51:51 PM
Hey, dumbass. Are you too thick to understand a simple contradiction of logic? Either God does not give us more than we can handle, or people lose faith when God tests them. You can't have it both ways.
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOSE FAITH!!!!
IF You Have A Failed Toxic Faith And You Desperately Want To Know God And You Ask Repeatedly/pray, and You Seek Desperately the first thing God is Going to Do Is Kill Your Toxic/Bad Idea of God. At This Point IF you Are Following The Instructions Of Luke 11, You will Continue To Knock. Thus Finding Him and then you begin to build anew.
But because you do not knock as soon as God unseats you from your pride/faith you turn on the idea of God like a pack of starved Dogs.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 14, 2017, 05:27:15 AM
The humour to me is that, out of all of us here, I am probably one of, if not the most, sympathetic to theists and really have no problem with religion... and yet he thinks it's because of his theism that I don't like him.
It is much easier to apply a broad stroke over all skeptics than to give consideration to the content of what they say. This seems to be Dick's life motto.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 14, 2017, 12:46:53 PM
It is much easier to apply a broad stroke over all skeptics than to give consideration to the content of what they say. This seems to be Dick's life motto.
Impressive! And well spoken...
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2017, 06:37:36 PM
Per your avatar, you must worship the Great Sunflower, not the Great Pumpkin. No Linus for you!
My wife (Trich) loves sunflowers, and I planted the giant vareity, and on the darkest day of our marriage this monster grew as tall as the apex was on our house at the time and bloomed to the size of a turkey tray. I was only open like take for a few hours, and yeilded a whole plastic grocery bag of seeds.
That giant sunflower helped me get through one of my darkest days. it is a reminder of what I can accomplish if I simply bear endure out God's will.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 13, 2017, 07:22:17 PM
Yeah, no, you're still just a self absorbed tool who your Jesus would dislike.
I am a direct reflection of most of you. If you think I need to be toned down then check yourself... You might find yourself to be a little on the loud side..
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 03:53:33 AM
Hear hear! Yes, the newbies come thinking they have great new arguments. But they are so old and repetitive to us. The newbies just imagine their arguments are new and will suddenly convince us.
Sometimes I deeply hope to see an actual new theistic argument. But they live in the past and there are no new arguments...
Bwahahaha!!!
That's why you have me on ignore... because destroying my arguments and subsequent faith is so easy for you!!!
He is still actually here?
What do you think folks? Should I read one of his posts? And if so, which one? I mean, I really don't want to be bothered reading all of them hoping for the one possible winner... Unignoring him would take actual work, and I'm a retired guy now...
Vote early and often. The better the more...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 04:55:06 PM
He is still actually here?
What do you think folks? Should I read one of his posts? And if so, which one? I mean, I really don't want to be bothered reading all of them hoping for the one possible winner... Unignoring him would take actual work, and I'm a retired guy now...
Vote early and often. The better the more...
Save your energy. I haven't seen any of his posts worth reading yet.
I have a special talent too. I can breathe.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 14, 2017, 03:09:31 PM
I am a direct reflection of most of you. If you think I need to be toned down then check yourself... You might find yourself to be a little on the loud side..
Ey yo, check yourself before you wreck yo self there.
The ocean washes bits of old trees onto the sands of time,
The bits and pieces make little sense but scream for our attention,
"I am here, I am here" they call.
I call it drichwood.
But to the ocean, it is just debris...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
The ocean washes bits of old trees onto the sands of time,
The bits and pieces make little sense but scream for our attention,
"I am here, I am here" they call.
I call it drichwood.
But to the ocean, it is just debris...
How/why does a guy who is not even up to reading my posts in a position to always have the last words?
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 18, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
How/why does a guy who is not even up to reading my posts in a position to always have the last words?
'Cause----Now if you are read......................
Oh, it's this thread again.
Because, now, if you are read...