All of you know what the Epicurean paradox is even if it is under a different name "the problem of sin" or something like that. in essence:
If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil.
If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?
Two main thing your man eppie here lied before the monotheistic God of the jews took center stage on the world. So who was Eppie talking about? the Greek God he worshiped of course. By reading this you can see it has been strawmanned to fit a single God. So then how do the Single God of Israel differ from the gods/strawman of old? Eppie's paradox was written to put an omni-max God on trial and place Him in a paradox.
The problem? The God of the bible is not nor ever has claimed to be an omni max God. that is a title that the much latter church gave him in an effort to sum up what they couldn't quite square with their church doctrines. So the Changed the God of the bible from being an Alpha and Omega God to a omni max God.
The difference/ omni max must (for some stupid reason must default to max use of power) while alpha and omega puts God's will and authority ahead of or the use of power. As alpha and omega describes a beings with no limitations but his own will.
So let see how that squares with eppies little paradox:
QuoteIf God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.
-Or If God has prevent Evil but says it is apart of his master plan to allow humanity the choice of Heaven and or Hell then it simply means God wills a limited degree of evil for man to indulge in so as to cement his eternal intentions.
QuoteIf He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.
In His plan, evil is indeed nullified
QuoteIf He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil.
through personal choice. God saves those who seek redemption from evil and punishes those who seek to indulge in it.
QuoteIf He is neither able nor willing
and if He has done both?
QuoteThen why call Him God?
Because His will has nullified evil for those who seek it removed from themselves, and for those who wish to indulge in evil god has made a provision for them as well.
Quoteyour man eppie
*cringes*
QuoteThe God of the bible is not nor ever has claimed to be an omni max God. that is a title that the much latter church gave him in an effort to sum up what they couldn't quite square with their church doctrines.
So...your God is not omnibenevolent, omniscient, or omnipotent?
QuoteThe difference/ omni max must (for some stupid reason must default to max use of power) while alpha and omega puts God's will and authority ahead of or the use of power.
So...basically, this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn9ogQuztgg
"I turned off my omniscience" - Mr Deity
QuoteAs alpha and omega describes a beings with no limitations but his own will.
That description sounds suspiciously like omnipotence.
The continuing problem of theists is that none of them can offer the slightest evidence to support their beliefs. I once asked some theistic door-bangers to prove there even was a Jesus. They were so utterly baffled that they had to send their Top Convincer to discuss it with me. I agreed with some amusement.
Top Convincer gave me a pamphlet. An actual PAMPHLET OMG such proof! I glanced at it briefly and pointed out that none of the "proof" was from contemporaries of the alleged person, and that none included civil references that would have existed.
They left confused. Certain in their belief to be sure, but confused. I don't think they run into people like us very often. And to be honest, I just usually don't answer the door knock when they are around.
But sometimes it's fun...
Complains about how hard it is to keep up with so many replies, makes half a dozen threads.
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Quote from: Blackleaf on July 06, 2017, 11:56:23 AM
Complains about how hard it is to keep up with so many replies, makes half a dozen threads.
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I've been up too long. I was watching that guy clapping his hands and wondering when it would start to hurt...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 12:13:21 PM
I've been up too long. I was watching that guy clapping his hands and wondering when it would start to hurt...
Disassociation can do that to one. If you don't know what time it is, why wake up or why go to sleep? Buridan's ass.
Drich ... on Epicurus. Did you know he died from constipation? Occupational hazard of philosophers. Usually their head gets constipated, but sometimes the other end ;-)
The paradox that Epicurus is using ... isn't a real problem. If you accept that a god is an asshole, not some childish idealism ... then we don't have to solve the "theodicy" problem ... it solves itself. G-d is an asshole, we are images of G-d ... so that explains our behavior too. And the theodicy problem solves itself, when we die.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 06, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
*cringes*Quote
Purposed..
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So...your God is not omnibenevolent,
Actually no. In the bible He has a list of people in whom God hates. So no not omnibenovlent.
Quoteomniscient, or omnipotent?
If He wants to be then yes... If not then no... Which explain why/how Jesus isn't privy to all the things the Father is privy to IE the 2nd comming.
QuoteSo...basically, this?
old computer gets hung up on videos alot please explain video if you want comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn9ogQuztgg
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"I turned off my omniscience" - Mr Deity
That description sounds suspiciously like omnipotence.
Actually it is a step above Omnipotence (which is a biblically correct word used to describe God) in that God's own will and discernment is the measure of when and how His ultimate power is used.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 11:25:00 AM
The continuing problem of theists is that none of them can offer the slightest evidence to support their beliefs.
Think about it for a second smart guy... If a theist could produce God on demand then the theist would be a power greater than God. thus meaning the god produced is not a deity... How about a theist at any point can tell you where God is to be found if you so choose to seek Him out.
QuoteI once asked some theistic door-bangers to prove there even was a Jesus.
asked and answer by 10 different people on this website already. my answers to them should more than satify you. I would seek them out if you truly want the last word on this subject.
QuoteThey were so utterly baffled that they had to send their Top Convincer to discuss it with me. I agreed with some amusement.
Pride before the Fall
QuoteTop Convincer gave me a pamphlet. An actual PAMPHLET OMG such proof! I glanced at it briefly and pointed out that none of the "proof" was from contemporaries of the alleged person, and that none included civil references that would have existed.
I can list 5 civil references letters from pilate Himself,http://wesley.nnu.edu/sermons-essays-books/noncanonical-literature/noncanonical-literature-writings/the-letter-of-pontius-pilate-which-he-wrote-to-the-roman-emperor-concerning-our-lord-jesus-christ/
but some of the strongest examples are from pliny the younger and emporer trajan
who was sent to inquire and execute Christians. His thoughts concerning Christ and the Christians:
http://faculty.georgetown.edu/jod/texts/pliny.html
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They left confused. Certain in their belief to be sure, but confused. I don't think they run into people like us very often. And to be honest, I just usually don't answer the door knock when they are around.
But sometimes it's fun...
you are a 2000's cliche' of what atheism use to be. The Jesus doesn't exist argument was refuted long long time ago by people with interwebs. maybe if you gets some interwebs maybe then you could look up a new top ten list not to believe in God. Most of you now will acknoweledge the "nice rabbi named Jesus" because you can no longer deny...
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 06, 2017, 11:56:23 AM
Complains about how hard it is to keep up with so many replies, makes half a dozen threads.
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Does not complain, just points out how hard it is to keep track when everything is in one thread.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 07, 2017, 01:54:56 PM
Does not complain, just points out how hard it is to keep track when everything is in one thread.
My G-d gives me super-powers ... guess yours is too modest ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 01:33:16 PM
Drich ... on Epicurus. Did you know he died from constipation? Occupational hazard of philosophers. Usually their head gets constipated, but sometimes the other end ;-)
The paradox that Epicurus is using ... isn't a real problem. If you accept that a god is an asshole, not some childish idealism ... then we don't have to solve the "theodicy" problem ... it solves itself. G-d is an asshole, we are images of G-d ... so that explains our behavior too. And the theodicy problem solves itself, when we die.
Well an asshole God is sometimes refuted by the religious who believe God is omni benvolent. Which is why it is important to take the omni max god off the table and establish who and what God is according to His own words.
All theology gods are fake gods. Theologians are the mothers of all heresies.
P1: Gods are projections of the believers in those gods.
P2: Poster Dirch1050 believes in certain gods.
P3: Poster Dirch1050 is a little shit.
C1: The gods poster Dirch1050 believes in are little shits.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 06, 2017, 10:17:52 AM
alpha and omega puts God's will and authority ahead of or the use of power. As alpha and omega describes a beings with no limitations but his own will.
where did you come up with this ridiculousness? or did you make it up yourself?
Alpha means first, Omega means last. It's a fancy way to say he is the only real god that is or ever was. It says nothing about his abilities.
Evil doesn't just come from personal choice. I guess you forgot the Bible says god created evil.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 07, 2017, 01:54:56 PM
Does not complain, just points out how hard it is to keep track when everything is in one thread.
So tooting your own horn then. Expecting praise for your hard work of making stuff up.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 07, 2017, 01:32:10 PMold computer gets hung up on videos alot please explain video if you want comment.
You would have me, a mere mortal, transcribe the satirical brilliance of Brian Keith Dalton and his lovely wife? Impossibility. Beyond contemplating, even.
Do yourself a favor and upgrade from your etch-a-sketch to a computer that can reliably handle basic internet multimedia.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 07, 2017, 01:32:10 PMActually it is a step above Omnipotence (which is a biblically correct word used to describe God) in that God's own will and discernment is the measure of when and how His ultimate power is used.
Ah, so it's super-omnipotence. That makes sense.
*nods and backs away*
*starts car*
*floors it*
So what your saying is he is still a douchebag and that's why he should be worshiped.
No thanks.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 07, 2017, 01:32:10 PM
Actually it is a step above Omnipotence (which is a biblically correct word used to describe God) in that God's own will and discernment is the measure of when and how His ultimate power is used.
Ultimate power.....unless you are on a chariot with iron wheels then ole god is pretty fucking useless. Read the babble...it's all in there.
Quote from: fencerider on July 07, 2017, 10:41:00 PM
where did you come up with this ridiculousness? or did you make it up yourself?
It came from God Himself Sport.
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Alpha means first, Omega means last. It's a fancy way to say he is the only real god that is or ever was. It says nothing about his abilities.
Evil doesn't just come from personal choice. I guess you forgot the Bible says god created evil.
rev 1:8
The Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega. I am the one who is, who always was, and who is coming. I am the All-Powerful.â€
The beginning and end of what??? that is the key Of time yes, but also Authority (I am the one who is, always was, and yet to come) He is the supreme God and... all powerful. That means this God sibmit to anyone nor any authority. Like say morality for example. If this God has to submit to the rules of "morality" then Morality would be the end or final word on what is right and what is not.
Of this this God were an Omni max God then He would have to submit himself to the rules of an Omni-max God, and those rules or whom ever enforced those rules would have supreme authority/The last word.
As it is This God is all powerful WITH the FIRST and LAST Word on everything.
This mean God could create a rock so big He could not lift it IF He wanted to , or He couldn't. Because He has first say and final say over what He wants to do show the real meaning of "All powerful" and not just a tip of the hat to this supposed power that is often tripped up by a child's paradox.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 07, 2017, 11:05:15 PM
So tooting your own horn then. Expecting praise for your hard work of making stuff up.
I don't understand...
How is creating several point specific thread tooting my own horn, because I can't keep track of the different subjects???
Then just curious what do you think is made up? and why?
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 08, 2017, 12:24:01 AM
Ah, so it's super-omnipotence. That makes sense.
*nods and backs away*
*starts car*
*floors it*
Think about how flawed the Omni-max God really is. how it can be tripped u so easily with children's paradoxes. Can God create a rock So big He can not lift it/ If God is all powerful and all loving why is their sin, if God is all this why is he then not all of that as well bla bla bla...
Omni max is our term our religious way of trying to sum up all the different powers God has into one words or word phrase..
Here's the thing... God has already included a term in the bible that our 'religious leaders' failed to understand. Or rather over the dark ages forgotten the meaning of.
So not a super Omni-max, but simply back to the worlds the Jews and John of patmos recorded. "I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and End of all things,"
This again put's I AM in charge of infinite power. Not the word definitions or principalities..
Quote from: aitm on July 08, 2017, 08:00:23 AM
Ultimate power.....unless you are on a chariot with iron wheels then ole god is pretty fucking useless. Read the babble...it's all in there.
BCV as per rule 11 please
Or rather if you could just tell me the book, and I could explain contextually why that incident was found in that book and what it means.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 09, 2017, 02:53:39 PM
and I could explain contextually why that incident was found in that book and what it means.
and the verse says the god could not smite the bastards cause their chariots had wheel of iron......not a difficult verse,,pretty easy to google....kinda wonder how one spins that....got to be fun though eh? Grab your little pussy and twist it to the left..twist it to the right...stand up, sit down, fight fight fight.....and ..of course...make shit up.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 09, 2017, 02:52:01 PMThink about how flawed the Omni-max God really is. how it can be tripped u so easily with children's paradoxes.
Exactly. Generations of theologians (and the occasional intelligent person) couldn't fix it. And neither can you.
Quote from: aitm on July 09, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
and the verse says the god could not smite the bastards cause their chariots had wheel of iron......not a difficult verse,,pretty easy to google....kinda wonder how one spins that....got to be fun though eh? Grab your little pussy and twist it to the left..twist it to the right...stand up, sit down, fight fight fight.....and ..of course...make shit up.
Apologists will claim that the weakness was in God's people, not God himself. That the Hebrews were not prepared to challenge their enemies who were equipped with iron chariots. But this is the same god who gave Sampson the super powers to kill armies with nothing but the jawbone of an ass. This is the same god who brought down the walls of Jericho with nothing but a parade and some trumpets. God can give flawless victory to his armies when he wants to, yet when he doesn't Christians conveniently fall back to the excuse of human weakness.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 09, 2017, 10:46:03 PM
Apologists will claim that the weakness was in God's people, not God himself. That the Hebrews were not prepared to challenge their enemies who were equipped with iron chariots. But this is the same god who gave Sampson the super powers to kill armies with nothing but the jawbone of an ass. This is the same god who brought down the walls of Jericho with nothing but a parade and some trumpets. God can give flawless victory to his armies when he wants to, yet when he doesn't Christians conveniently fall back to the excuse of human weakness.
Doesn't change the fact ... that in reality not scripture ... everything does depend on people, who are weak. If not now, when? If not me, who? - Rabbi Hillel
Quote from: aitm on July 09, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
and the verse says the god could not smite the bastards cause their chariots had wheel of iron......not a difficult verse,,pretty easy to google....kinda wonder how one spins that....got to be fun though eh? Grab your little pussy and twist it to the left..twist it to the right...stand up, sit down, fight fight fight.....and ..of course...make shit up.
What Book sport what book was the question not can you give me a bad exegetical synopsis of this passage.
If you were smart enough to tell me the book of judges I would have pointed out the cycle of Sin of Israel, warning of God, Israel's continued sin, the conquering and capture of Israel, the occupation of even exodus and repentant stage and the defeat of Israel's enemy's.
This theme in the book of Judges 1 and 2 is through out it is the only prevalent them. God sent the jews into battle yes but the goal was not the defeat of the enemy of the Jews but the destruction of the Jewish army against iron chariots so they could be defeated, captured and through this enemy "Judged" by God. So through out the whole book of Judges God uses many different enemy's to "judge" the wickedness of His people.
So your 'defeat' against iron chariots??? is just you being defeated by a wandering ignorance prevalent in the atheist community. The only question is will you turn and learn something, or will you embrace the ignorance and challenge the common knowledge concerning the Judgement of Israel throughout the books of judges..
So again when I asked for bcv or in this case just the book, that would have been enough to correct your broken understanding of the relationship between God and the Jews. In that the Jews were never meant to win all battles under God, That God used some battles/wars to punish the Jews for disobedience.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 09, 2017, 10:09:14 PM
Exactly. Generations of theologians (and the occasional intelligent person) couldn't fix it. And neither can you.
Indeed, but God did in his description of an alpha and omega God thousands of years ago.. I simply am reminding you and all of those theologians what God said about Himself, rather than try and fix what we say or how we describe God.
Now name one paradox that remains when you put the alpha and Omega's Will in the "fore front" of all His decisions.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 09, 2017, 10:46:03 PM
Apologists will claim that the weakness was in God's people, not God himself. That the Hebrews were not prepared to challenge their enemies who were equipped with iron chariots. But this is the same god who gave Sampson the super powers to kill armies with nothing but the jawbone of an ass. This is the same god who brought down the walls of Jericho with nothing but a parade and some trumpets. God can give flawless victory to his armies when he wants to, yet when he doesn't Christians conveniently fall back to the excuse of human weakness.
OR
God being with them means that God intended for them to loose or to be weakened.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
OR
God being with them means that God intended for them to loose or to be weakened.
I agree. But that being so, that is why even though I know G-d, not just believe in a holy ghost ... is why I won't worship G-d. I don't worship assholes. That is the Devil's work (if you know your Inquisition theory).
Quote from: Baruch on July 10, 2017, 02:29:27 PM
I agree. But that being so, that is why even though I know G-d, not just believe in a holy ghost ... is why I won't worship G-d. I don't worship assholes. That is the Devil's work (if you know your Inquisition theory).
God is only an asshole if you think your morality/Righteousness, is set apart and above God's own righteousness (or a self righteousness) if you will.
Meaning only the self righteous think they are in a position to judge God.
It is not God's job to serve or please you. You at best are here to serve Him.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
God is only an asshole if you think your morality/Righteousness, is set apart and above God's own righteousness (or a self righteousness) if you will.
Meaning only the self righteous think they are in a position to judge God.
It is not God's job to serve or please you. You at best are here to serve Him.
And you will serve, just as soon as G-d puts you in charge of his Holy Office (aka Inquisition).
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
OR
God being with them means that God intended for them to loose or to be weakened.
God's plan sure does conveniently look a lot like random chance, doesn't it? Anyway, if you read the passage in question, you'd know that God chose not to send his people into battle not because he didn't want them to defeat their enemies, but because they have iron chariots. Either God was not confident in his ability to lead his people into victory, or more likely, the story was alluding to God having the same weakness to iron that fairies have. Either way, he's not omnipotent. Throughout most of the Old Testament, God is portrayed as neither omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or even the only god in existence. He was, in the earliest books, one of many gods. He was supposedly the most powerful of all the gods (every culture thought their gods were best), but he still lost in a wrestling match in which he felt the need to cheat.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 10, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
God's plan sure does conveniently look a lot like random chance, doesn't it? Anyway, if you read the passage in question, you'd know that God chose not to send his people into battle not because he didn't want them to defeat their enemies, but because they have iron chariots. Either God was not confident in his ability to lead his people into victory, or more likely, the story was alluding to God having the same weakness to iron that fairies have. Either way, he's not omnipotent. Throughout most of the Old Testament, God is portrayed as neither omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or even the only god in existence. He was, in the earliest books, one of many gods. He was supposedly the most powerful of all the gods (every culture thought their gods were best), but he still lost in a wrestling match in which he felt the need to cheat.
The mythos is quite clear on this. Iron originally comes as meteorites ... and "iron" actually come from a root meaning "holy". See a similar word, "irenic". The falling stars are the host of Satan (which is originally a competing Canaanite god just like Ya or El). Read the Ugarit tablet mythologies. So in a manner of speaking, the iron in the chariots is "kryptonite" to Ya's superman powers. Good thing the Egyptians were still in the Bronze Age! The Torah is a mishmash of various Canaanite, Egyptian, Syrian and Babylonian stories ... all put into Hebrew dress up. The original story of Abraham probably goes back to Neolithic prehistory, not even as late as the Bronze Age. At that early time, there were probably lots of people who moved back and forth from shepherding to city life and back again. That is apparently, archeologically, what happened between what is now Jordan and what is now Israel ... at the end of the Bronze Age ... as well. The conquest of Canaan wasn't ... it was Jordanian nomads mixing with Canaanite farmers ... and both burning the cities of the Elites.
I guess the book To Serve God isn't a cookbook?
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 10, 2017, 03:56:23 PM
I guess the book To Serve God isn't a cookbook?
Not outside of New Guinea ... does this human bone in my nose make me look fat?
Oh, I thought that bone in your nose was just a fancy mustache!
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 08:58:41 AM
If you were smart enough to tell me the book of judges I would have pointed out the cycle of Sin of Israel, warning of God, Israel's continued sin, the conquering and capture of Israel, the occupation of even exodus and repentant stage and the defeat of Israel's enemy's.
Bull-shit...this has nothing to do with that and you know it.
QuoteGod sent the jews into battle yes but the goal was not the defeat of the enemy of the Jews but the destruction of the Jewish army against iron chariots so they could be defeated, captured and through this enemy "Judged" by God.
Utter bull-shit. fabricated lies by a flat out liar.
Quoteis just you being defeated by a wandering ignorance
Nope, it is me proving your babble is complete and utter bull-shit and you just another excuse crying liar.
QuoteSo again when I asked for bcv or in this case just the book, that would have been enough to correct your broken understanding
Bull-shit, it's so you can call your pastor and ask him to tell you the excuse for god getting his ass handed to him by puny humans. The babble says exactly what it says....not the made up excuses of some pathetic drivel of a human needing a father figure to protect him from himself.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 10, 2017, 03:45:21 PM
God's plan sure does conveniently look a lot like random chance, doesn't it?
in the book of judges??? are you serious??? have you read judged??? It all about God using people like the Canaanites and their army for punishing the Jews. They do this over and over and over again how is it chance when there is a clear pattern?
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Anyway, if you read the passage in question, you'd know that God chose not to send his people into battle not because he didn't want them to defeat their enemies, but because they have iron chariots.
No the passage said God was with them and they were defeated because of the chariots. This means God wanted them to take the hit. If god leads you into a situation that is difficult or you come out a loser, then God wanted you to take the hit. You are where God wants you to be.
QuoteEither God was not confident in his ability to lead his people into victory, or more likely, the story was alluding to God having the same weakness to iron that fairies have.
what a narrow minded view... where God only wants what is pleasent for you... no wonder you lost faith at the first sign of rain.. If you've never weathered a storm how can you learn not to fear thunder?
QuoteEither way, he's not omnipotent. Throughout most of the Old Testament, God is portrayed as neither omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, unchanging, or even the only god in existence.
examples?
QuoteHe was, in the earliest books, one of many gods.
Ah, no. that is a moron explanation to the 'names of God.' Names then do not work like names now. so when an exegetical moron comes across a list of 500 names of God he thinks there must been 500 different gods. in truth the moron just does not understand the term name also meant title.
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He was supposedly the most powerful of all the gods (every culture thought their gods were best), but he still lost in a wrestling match in which he felt the need to cheat.
that broken hip is a reminder of who is boss. a much needed reminder when God gives you access to the Same Holy Spirit Jesus used to perform His miracles. The power is intoxicating and seeming boundless till you are reminded by your thorn in the flesh.
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
only the self righteous think they are in a position to judge God.
definitely wrong here. We are all in the position to judge gods. If you are a Christian then you judge the god of Islam. If you are Muslim you judge the god of the Bible. If you are Buhdist you judge them both
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 09:12:13 AMI simply am reminding you and all of those theologians what God said about Himself
Was that before or after the Olympian Gods fought the Titans and Odin sacrificed one of this eyes in exchange for wisdom?
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
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God being with them means that God intended for them to loose or to be weakened.
Doesn't that make God "being with" someone useless a term? It makes it sound like God is this worthless good-for-nothing roommate who parks himself on your sofa, watching TV, and scarfs down your Cheetos.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 10, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
Doesn't that make God "being with" someone useless a term? It makes it sound like God is this worthless good-for-nothing roommate who parks himself on your sofa, watching TV, and scarfs down your Cheetos.
Oh no, not the Cheetos! Actually the Cheez-its ... only the demonic eat Cheetos ;-)
Quote from: sdelsolray on July 07, 2017, 09:45:57 PM
P1: Gods are projections of the believers in those gods.
P2: Poster Dirch1050 believes in certain gods.
P3: Poster Dirch1050 is a little shit.
C1: The gods poster Dirch1050 believes in are little shits.
Forgive me, but that was a pretty weak argument. It leaves you accepting that there are deities, even "little shit" ones.
I am reminded of a false argument from college:
Whales are mammals. Mammals have hair. Humans have hair. Therefore whales are humans.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 07:06:32 AM
Forgive me, but that was a pretty weak argument. It leaves you accepting that there are deities, even "little shit" ones.
I am reminded of a false argument from college:
Whales are mammals. Mammals have hair. Humans have hair. Therefore whales are humans.
Spoken by the humanoid cave bear ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 07:06:32 AM
Forgive me, but that was a pretty weak argument. It leaves you accepting that there are deities, even "little shit" ones.
I am reminded of a false argument from college:
Whales are mammals. Mammals have hair. Humans have hair. Therefore whales are humans.
IDK been to wal-mart @ 3am? an argument could be made for an evolved land based whale..
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 10, 2017, 02:39:52 PM
God is only an asshole if you think your morality/Righteousness, is set apart and above God's own righteousness (or a self righteousness) if you will.
Meaning only the self righteous think they are in a position to judge God.
It is not God's job to serve or please you. You at best are here to serve Him.
If it is self-righteous to believe in, "Do no unnecessary harm", then I am okay with that. Your god proposes we do harm, so I have no interest in his morality, even if he wields a bigger stick. Which is what your argument essentially comes down to; "My god will beat you up if you don't think like him, so his thinking is superiour!".
Quote from: Drich0150 on July 11, 2017, 05:33:05 PM
IDK been to wal-mart @ 3am? an argument could be made for an evolved land based whale..
Again, lack of charity ... this time toward the obese.
Quote from: fencerider on July 10, 2017, 08:03:14 PM
definitely wrong here. We are all in the position to judge gods. If you are a Christian then you judge the god of Islam. If you are Muslim you judge the god of the Bible. If you are Buhdist you judge them both
Ah... No. Not what I said. I said there is no one in a position to Judge God. not determine if a god of a given religion is real. Even with in the frame work of their own religion to judge means you have a standard from which you claim a higher 'authority' a higher righteousness. How can that be if this frame work this righteousness is in perpetual contradiction?
In short you/we without God do not have a standard that any of use can live with and not contradict, therefore we are not in a position to judge God.
Which is not the same as judging a religion.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 10, 2017, 08:55:03 PM
Was that before or after the Olympian Gods fought the Titans and Odin sacrificed one of this eyes in exchange for wisdom?
Does it matter?
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 10, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
Doesn't that make God "being with" someone useless a term? It makes it sound like God is this worthless good-for-nothing roommate who parks himself on your sofa, watching TV, and scarfs down your Cheetos.
No when God over see a loss it is to build one back stronger. It is God introducing a controlled amount of pain into your spirit to improve who you are. Pain is weakness leaving the Spirit. without it we are worthless. with it we are forged from soft iron to harden steel.
Quote from: aitm on July 10, 2017, 05:11:31 PM
Bull-shit...this has nothing to do with that and you know it.
Utter bull-shit. fabricated lies by a flat out liar.
Nope, it is me proving your babble is complete and utter bull-shit and you just another excuse crying liar.
Bull-shit, it's so you can call your pastor and ask him to tell you the excuse for god getting his ass handed to him by puny humans. The babble says exactly what it says....not the made up excuses of some pathetic drivel of a human needing a father figure to protect him from himself.
When did no trolling exclude staff?
Quote from: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 07:06:32 AM
Forgive me, but that was a pretty weak argument. It leaves you accepting that there are deities, even "little shit" ones.
I am reminded of a false argument from college:
Whales are mammals. Mammals have hair. Humans have hair. Therefore whales are humans.
Not a false argument given the single requirement/parameter. If how ever there were many different parameters between whales and humans, and they were listed then yes this would be a false argument.
When I see a series of posts from an ignored idiot, I rest assured ignoring him is the right thing to do.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 11, 2017, 07:27:44 PM
If it is self-righteous to believe in, "Do no unnecessary harm", then I am okay with that. Your god proposes we do harm, so I have no interest in his morality, even if he wields a bigger stick.
what a short sided moronic statement.
So... unborn babies, to the sum of 1.5 billion since 1973, the complete destruction of the Iraqi government and hundreds of thousands of it's people. 2/3's of the taliban, and we are committed to wipe ISIS off the face of the earth, and we have 10 million north koreans in our cross hairs for complete destruction as well???
Compared to God's total which is.. what exactly? 1 million 10? This generation has kill 150 times that in the name of "Necessary Harm" you blind douche... Or did you not think those in whom God ordered the deaths of, were also the equivalent of the north koreans or ISIS in the OT days??? Do you assholes not read the horror and hell the Canaanites rained down on the jews??? Or the enslavement by the syerians?? What do you think we would do to an invading country who took and enslaved 2/3's of our population?
Do you not know that their children are trained to fight and hate us? How many major cities will have to burn or be written off, before you people get the nature of the wars they fight. Look what they are willing to do their own homes (Aleppo) and families to win a conflict based on "morality." how much more hurt do you think the would visit on us if they could??? Why would you think that stakes were any lower in the times the OT jews fought their enemies???
QuoteWhich is what your argument essentially comes down to; "My god will beat you up if you don't think like him, so his thinking is superiour!".
Yes for a moron who has not read the bible the narritive could indeed be that because he has that power. But, that not what the bibe says God did with that power. rather He has forgiven us, rather than beat it out of us.
Drich ... I have read the Bible, in the original languages. It is Jewish bullshit ... as a Jew, I know it when I see it. Too bad you Gentiles are so hung up on it.
I suppose I will peek at ignored posts one of these days out of morbid curiosity. But not today...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 28, 2017, 03:47:55 AM
I suppose I will peek at ignored posts one of these days out of morbid curiosity. But not today...
Drich was banned.
Quote from: Baruch on July 28, 2017, 06:36:02 AM
Drich was banned.
Was he really? I thought it just got bored and finally decided to do something more productive with his life. But I guess I have given him too much credit.
Quote from: Blackleaf on July 28, 2017, 12:42:30 PM
Was he really? I thought it just got bored and finally decided to do something more productive with his life. But I guess I have given him too much credit.
Yeah, he was banned--for the second time apparently. I guess he had visited a few years ago with a different account.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 28, 2017, 01:25:09 PM
Yeah, he was banned--for the second time apparently. I guess he had visited a few years ago with a different account.
That's really pathetic.
A two time loser should not try to do more than add and subtract ;-)
No loss to the forum...