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Title: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Reoas on July 04, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
In Final Fantasy 7, Dyne and Barret argues over using Shinra corporation because Coal is not used anymore in North Corel where coaling is passed on for generations. But the company Shinra aka EU exploits it to their benefit and the city turns to dust. Just like Greece.

So you see, if Hillary won she would rebuild Shinra and make them even poorer. Trump saves them from Shinra EU corporations who is enslaving the whole Final Fantasy world to be dependant on them aswell as having Turks helping them in someway.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/North_Corel
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: aitm on July 04, 2017, 05:45:07 PM
Thank you....I shall finally be able to get a good nights rest....
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Mike Cl on July 04, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
Yeah, but--what if Final Fantasy is not final. 
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2017, 06:24:58 PM
Final Fantasy is ... there is a free lunch.  Believing that BS isn't final, it is fatal.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Hydra009 on July 04, 2017, 06:31:56 PM
Quote from: Reoas on July 04, 2017, 04:53:54 PM
In Final Fantasy 7, Dyne and Barret argues over using Shinra corporation because Coal is not used anymore in North Corel where coaling is passed on for generations. But the company Shinra aka EU exploits it to their benefit and the city turns to dust. Just like Greece.

So you see, if Hillary won she would rebuild Shinra and make them even poorer. Trump saves them from Shinra EU corporations who is enslaving the whole Final Fantasy world to be dependant on them aswell as having Turks helping them in someway.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/North_Corel
Oh yeah, well UNICEF is like one of those mushrooms from Super Mario Brothers and Trumpsters/Goombas are stealing money from the poor and squirreling it away in those multi-hit coin blocks and Mario and Luigi are Joe Scarborough and Jared from Subway, therefore we should go back to the gold standard.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 04, 2017, 06:31:56 PM
Oh yeah, well UNICEF is like one of those mushrooms from Super Mario Brothers and Trumpsters/Goombas are stealing money from the poor and squirreling it away in those multi-hit coin blocks and Mario and Luigi are Joe Scarborough and Jared from Subway, therefore we should go back to the gold standard.

You make sense to me.  I find it refreshing that our new person takes fiction seriously, particularly video game fiction.  So long as he/she doesn't go all GTA on us!
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Solomon Zorn on July 05, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
I know I already started a thread devoted to John Oliver, but this is one of my favorite segments. Like all of them, informative, and funny as fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw6RsUhw1Q8
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Unbeliever on July 05, 2017, 06:47:18 PM
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Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 11:00:57 PM
Trump should say ... in regard to your last post ... "Sad".  Robertson is a former R party presidential candidate.  He was the main reason why I stopped voting for the R party candidates, 30 years ago, because his candidacy got any traction at all.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 06:18:47 AM
There is always another "Final"...

A decade ago, tectonic geologists referred to the next consolidation of continents as "Pangaea Ultima".  But then someone asked "Will that be the last consolidation?" and they said, well, no there will be others.  So , how could that be "ultima"?  So they changed it to "Pangaea Penultimate".  It won't be "next to ultimate" either, but its an improvement.

Scientific American has an article about multiverses becoming generally accepted as a viable hypothesis.  With unending combinations of possible particles and physical laws.  I suspect this means that there is actually no end to possible questions for us to answer. 
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 07:32:57 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 06:18:47 AM
There is always another "Final"...

A decade ago, tectonic geologists referred to the next consolidation of continents as "Pangaea Ultima".  But then someone asked "Will that be the last consolidation?" and they said, well, no there will be others.  So , how could that be "ultima"?  So they changed it to "Pangaea Penultimate".  It won't be "next to ultimate" either, but its an improvement.

Scientific American has an article about multiverses becoming generally accepted as a viable hypothesis.  With unending combinations of possible particles and physical laws.  I suspect this means that there is actually no end to possible questions for us to answer.

There are no limits to the questions we can ask.  Say ... how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  Materialists make similar nonsense.  There is a limit to what we can answer, that isn't also nonsense.  Unless you believe in the Omega Point, in which case you are a heretic Catholic theologian.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Roeo on July 06, 2017, 07:58:41 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on July 05, 2017, 02:31:05 PM
I know I already started a thread devoted to John Oliver, but this is one of my favorite segments. Like all of them, informative, and funny as fuck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw6RsUhw1Q8
I tend to think of this whenever i see his face.


Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Shiranu on July 06, 2017, 09:25:59 AM
Coal?

Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 10:00:25 AM
Once upon a time, there was wood.  And wood burned.  It was for sure the ultimate fuel.

Then someone discovered they could light dried peat, and that was wonderful.  The wood-burners hated it.

Then some crazy lunatic discovered ancient compressed peat and called it coal and it was wonderful.  The old peat burners and wood-burners hated it. 

Get the drift?

We are now at the point where direct sunlight can be converted to energy, and all the previous fuel-people hate it.  And wind.  And tidal energy.  They hate it all.  What became of the wood-burners who stripped the continents of trees?  Even though it is becoming  cheaper and more of it than most people need? 

The candle-makers fought the light bulbs for decades.  Which would you prefer now?  The incandescent bulb makers fought the CFLs and LEDs for years.  Which do you prefer now?  I haven't had a CFL or LED bulb burn out for at least 5 years now.  And I can leave an LED on all day and use less energy than an incandescent in an hour.

Bet there are better things to come soon, too.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
Quote from: Roeo on July 06, 2017, 07:58:41 AM
I tend to think of this whenever i see his face.


Sorry, did you create two similar accounts under two similar names?  That is a no-no.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 01:58:07 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 10:00:25 AM
Once upon a time, there was wood.  And wood burned.  It was for sure the ultimate fuel.

Then someone discovered they could light dried peat, and that was wonderful.  The wood-burners hated it.

Then some crazy lunatic discovered ancient compressed peat and called it coal and it was wonderful.  The old peat burners and wood-burners hated it. 

Get the drift?

We are now at the point where direct sunlight can be converted to energy, and all the previous fuel-people hate it.  And wind.  And tidal energy.  They hate it all.  What became of the wood-burners who stripped the continents of trees?  Even though it is becoming  cheaper and more of it than most people need? 

The candle-makers fought the light bulbs for decades.  Which would you prefer now?  The incandescent bulb makers fought the CFLs and LEDs for years.  Which do you prefer now?  I haven't had a CFL or LED bulb burn out for at least 5 years now.  And I can leave an LED on all day and use less energy than an incandescent in an hour.

Bet there are better things to come soon, too.

Free lunch coming, but you have to be the always screaming girl companion of Dr Who.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Unbeliever on July 06, 2017, 05:57:50 PM
Quote from: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 07:32:57 AM
There are no limits to the questions we can ask.  Say ... how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.  Materialists make similar nonsense.  There is a limit to what we can answer, that isn't also nonsense.  Unless you believe in the Omega Point, in which case you are a heretic Catholic theologian.
I've wondered recently whether there might be a limit, albeit very far down the road, to the possibilities inherent in technology. It might be interesting if two techy type species met, out there, some day, who were both at the absolute limit of tech. They might not try to destroy each other. But it's hard to imagine such a scenario.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 06, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Gosh! I can't wait for the day when every city once again is blanketed in a thick, black/grey fog of burning coal.
Yeah, I remember when my hometown of Dayton Ohio was once just as filthy as the other coal fired cities.
I remember looking out over the city seeing all those smoke stacks pumping out black clouds.. Ahhh, the good old days.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Unbeliever on July 06, 2017, 06:56:43 PM
Yeah, we have a right to breathe mercury day and night!
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: fencerider on July 07, 2017, 03:37:14 AM
unbeliever I am unbelievin your post. I suppose you have to expect that kind of crap from Pat Robertson. what happens when brain-fried people start believing pat the con?

how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? as many as you want.

If Hillary won the coal miners would be in the same place. One of those new coal mines Trump is bragging about is going to automation. 5 times as much coal with 1/10 the number of workers or something like that.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2017, 05:51:34 AM
Quote from: fencerider on July 07, 2017, 03:37:14 AM
unbeliever I am unbelievin your post. I suppose you have to expect that kind of crap from Pat Robertson. what happens when brain-fried people start believing pat the con?

how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? as many as you want.

If Hillary won the coal miners would be in the same place. One of those new coal mines Trump is bragging about is going to automation. 5 times as much coal with 1/10 the number of workers or something like that.

More automation in coal mining is good.  A classmate of mine died in an Illinois coal mine, shortly after graduation.  Mines are incredibly dangerous for people.  The stadium where I graduated from HS ... is built over a small coal mine, that closed 100 years ago, after a dozen men died in it ... and remain in it.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on July 10, 2017, 09:41:22 PM
Coal is not the way to the future. When was the last time you saw a coal-powered rocket, real or proposed?
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 10, 2017, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 10, 2017, 09:41:22 PM
Coal is not the way to the future. When was the last time you saw a coal-powered rocket, real or proposed?

The future is a return to the Stone Age ... resource exhaustion, pollution, genetic manipulation stupidity ... a bunch of Morlochs you all are.  You aren't even Eloi, because you won't even taste good.
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 05:56:36 AM
Clean energy just surpassed coal by 2.5 to 1 in terms of jobs...
Title: Re: Why we need coal, Trump the saviour
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2017, 07:21:13 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 05:56:36 AM
Clean energy just surpassed coal by 2.5 to 1 in terms of jobs...

China is making all our wind power and solar power.  Go China!