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Title: Road Rage
Post by: Drew_2017 on July 02, 2017, 03:38:09 PM
A Pennsylvania man was arrested Sunday in last week’s killing of a teen during a road rage incident at a merge that authorities said turned into a high speed “cat-and-mouse game.”

David Desper, 28, of Delaware County in Pennsylvania, was charged with first degree murder in the death of 18-year-old Bianca Roberson after turning himself in to police.

He said Desper became enraged Wednesday afternoon as he and the teen, who had just graduated high school, jockeyed for position on a two-lane West Goshen road that merges into one lane.

“This defendant wasn’t happy with the way it was going and pulled out a gun and killed this young woman,” Hogan said.


I don't understand how anyone can become so enraged they make the mental decision to get a gun out of the car and shoot a pretty young lady in the head. He probably didn't consider all the ramifications of his decision at the time nevertheless he had to decide she deserved to die for her offense (perceived or otherwise). Some will blame the easy access to guns but it doesn't matter, in his total rage he could have strangled with his bear hands or run her over. The fact he turned himself in makes me think he was remorseful but now he has to face the fact his former life is officially over. Will he blame himself for being incarcerated or continue to blame his victim? Its entirely possible he believes its her fault...

 
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2017, 02:37:43 AM
We had a recent poster that was an actual example of this lack of ... sanity.  Myelin.  Nobody here thought he has the right of way, or that his outrage was appropriate, given that he was at fault, not the person angry with him for cutting in (a person on a motorcycle).
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 03, 2017, 03:32:22 AM
I swear, drivers be getting dumber and dumber by the year. Several times the last two months I have been nearly run off the road or rear-ended because people have no awareness what-so-ever of their surroundings, or worse are in such a hurry to get a second ahead of me that they put me, themselves and someone else in danger rather than waiting till it's clear to zoom by.

Yet when I drive a safe speed to make sure there is a mile or so between me and everyone else, I get pulled over for "driving too fast". Because speeding (and then slowing back down to the speed limit once you are in as big of gap as you can find) is apparently more dangerous (when I have had zero accidents in over 90,000+ miles) than trying to share a lane with someone following the law.

All that said, I have never been mad enough to take it out on someone else, though there has been one time I really wanted to ram my car straight up their ass. I can see where road rage comes from, but really what we just need is for people to learn how the fuck to drive.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2017, 08:31:40 AM
At least on highways, it is difference of speed aka passing, that is most dangerous.  As long as everyone is going the same speed and not passing, then things are fine.  It is never good driving to be in a hurry.  Always leave early relative to when you need to get there, or simply live with being late ... or be Late.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 03, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
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I swear, drivers be getting dumber and dumber by the year. Several times the last two months I have been nearly run off the road or rear-ended because people have no awareness what-so-ever of their surroundings, or worse are in such a hurry to get a second ahead of me that they put me, themselves and someone else in danger rather than waiting till it's clear to zoom by.

Yet when I drive a safe speed to make sure there is a mile or so between me and everyone else, I get pulled over for "driving too fast". Because speeding (and then slowing back down to the speed limit once you are in as big of gap as you can find) is apparently more dangerous (when I have had zero accidents in over 90,000+ miles) than trying to share a lane with someone following the law.

All that said, I have never been mad enough to take it out on someone else, though there has been one time I really wanted to ram my car straight up their ass. I can see where road rage comes from, but really what we just need is for people to learn how the fuck to drive.

I swear, the road rage is almost enough to keep me from driving drunk.  (j/k)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 03, 2017, 08:45:52 AM
As a matter of (formerly) professional interest I watch the "Russian dash cam" videos on Youtube. Empirically I think that most road ragers start their cars while in a foul mood.

And if the old fart didn't have a gun in his car he probably wouldn't be in as much trouble right now. Short tempers and easy murder make for a bad day.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 03, 2017, 08:47:02 AM
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I swear, drivers be getting dumber and dumber by the year. Several times the last two months I have been nearly run off the road or rear-ended because people have no awareness what-so-ever of their surroundings, or worse are in such a hurry to get a second ahead of me that they put me, themselves and someone else in danger rather than waiting till it's clear to zoom by.

Yet when I drive a safe speed to make sure there is a mile or so between me and everyone else, I get pulled over for "driving too fast". Because speeding (and then slowing back down to the speed limit once you are in as big of gap as you can find) is apparently more dangerous (when I have had zero accidents in over 90,000+ miles) than trying to share a lane with someone following the law.

All that said, I have never been mad enough to take it out on someone else, though there has been one time I really wanted to ram my car straight up their ass. I can see where road rage comes from, but really what we just need is for people to learn how the fuck to drive.
But you admit to speeding.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 03, 2017, 09:01:19 AM
A few decades ago, there was a spot on the commute where 6 lanes of traffic had to merge into 2 lanes to cross a narrow bridge.  Naturally tempers were routinely frayed.  I tried to take turns merging when some van insisted on following the car in front of them.  I stopped moving to let the idiot go past.

But she, not realizing I had stopped to let her push in line, brushed against MY side mirror, scratching her car.  And she tried to make a collision claim against ME for the damage. 

Fortunately, the paint scrape proved she was moving forward while I was not (well unless I was backing up, which was not possible).  And she chased me down the road on foot screaming and yelling after seeing her paint was scraped.

The world is full of very disturbed people.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2017, 11:14:59 AM
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But you admit to speeding.

In modern politics, is Shiranu guilty of terrorism or a hate crime?  If he has thought about road rage, but hasn't done it, is he still guilty of a thought crime?  What would the lead character from Minority Report say?  Puritans wanna know.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 03, 2017, 02:31:32 PM
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But you admit to speeding.

I admit to driving more safely than my peers, yes.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 03, 2017, 04:58:51 PM
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I admit to driving more safely than my peers, yes.
If you were speeding why are you complaining about getting a ticket?
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Drew_2017 on July 03, 2017, 11:10:23 PM
When I posted this I was thinking more about the rage that caused this guy to act so horrifically cruel. Did he think for even a moment that this act would mean his life as he knew it is over? I wonder about his state of mind after he committed this heinous act? How long before he came to his senses and realized what a devastating decision he made? I suspect when the rage subsided (probably in 15 minutes) fear and guilt set in.

7 ways to avoid road rage:
Move over if someone is tailgating you
Use an “I’m sorry” gesture (e.g. wave) to attempt to defuse the situation
Plan ahead; allow time for delays during your journey
Consider whether you’ve done something to annoy the other driver and adjust your driving accordingly
Listen to music you enjoy
Use your horn sparingly
Avoid eye contact with angry drivers and give them plenty of room

Leave your gun in the glove compartment.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 04, 2017, 12:00:13 AM
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If you were speeding why are you complaining about getting a ticket?

Because you shouldn't be penalized for driving safely at 75 when there are 18 wheelers doing 90 around you, people swerving inbetween traffic, people who have no awareness, etc. etc. (on country roads).

It's not just that; it's getting tickets, when I know person after person who gets pulled over with no punishment, who have been in wrecks before, who have driven tens of thousands of miles less than me.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2017, 12:27:06 AM
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Because you shouldn't be penalized for driving safely at 75 when there are 18 wheelers doing 90 around you, people swerving inbetween traffic, people who have no awareness, etc. etc. (on country roads).

It's not just that; it's getting tickets, when I know person after person who gets pulled over with no punishment, who have been in wrecks before, who have driven tens of thousands of miles less than me.

So life is unfair ... and the law is an ass?  Welcome to adulthood!
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 04, 2017, 09:30:26 AM
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Because you shouldn't be penalized for driving safely at 75 when there are 18 wheelers doing 90 around you, people swerving inbetween traffic, people who have no awareness, etc. etc. (on country roads).

It's not just that; it's getting tickets, when I know person after person who gets pulled over with no punishment, who have been in wrecks before, who have driven tens of thousands of miles less than me.
Really? "Everybody else does it!" wouldn't work in court.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 04, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
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Really? "Everybody else does it!" wouldn't work in court.

Not sure where I said I do those things, but alright.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2017, 10:14:13 AM
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Not sure where I said I do those things, but alright.

Interpreting GS ... ignorance of the law is no excuse, neither is the unequal application.  If a hundred cars speed, and the cop pulls just one of them over ... and gives the one a ticket ... the ticket isn't invalidated that the cop failed to pull over the other 99 cars.  But I get Shiranu too ... the lack of application of law, brings the law into disrepute.  Any of these three things ... pisses off judges.  Don't claim ignorance, unfairness ... or scofflaw.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 04, 2017, 11:33:54 AM
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Not sure where I said I do those things, but alright.
Paraphrased, but accurate.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 04, 2017, 06:46:53 PM
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Paraphrased, but accurate.

Except one causes accidents, the other doesn't (and actively prevents them). A small distinction, but one with a fair bit of importance.

I'm not saying the law should change, I'm just saying the way it is applied is stupid. Maybe give some leniency to people with 75k+ miles driven with not even a fender bender to their name. And I realise complaining about it won't fix anything, but I also realize not complaining about it will do nothing as well.

But when you have gotten a $200 fine for "improper seatbelt use", been pulled over twice where the police specifically told you they were looking for people who look like they would be carrying drugs to the coast... it's just hard to take anything the police say seriously. They aren't out there looking out for my safety, so I have to do that myself. And it's just a little fucked up that I have to worry about getting stopped for doing that, instead of stopping the people who have put my life, and others, in danger at least once or twice a week.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2017, 07:32:56 PM
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Except one causes accidents, the other doesn't (and actively prevents them). A small distinction, but one with a fair bit of importance.

I'm not saying the law should change, I'm just saying the way it is applied is stupid. Maybe give some leniency to people with 75k+ miles driven with not even a fender bender to their name. And I realise complaining about it won't fix anything, but I also realize not complaining about it will do nothing as well.

But when you have gotten a $200 fine for "improper seatbelt use", been pulled over twice where the police specifically told you they were looking for people who look like they would be carrying drugs to the coast... it's just hard to take anything the police say seriously. They aren't out there looking out for my safety, so I have to do that myself. And it's just a little fucked up that I have to worry about getting stopped for doing that, instead of stopping the people who have put my life, and others, in danger at least once or twice a week.

Fast trucks ... good for capitalism
Catching suspicious citizens ... tax revenue

You should be getting a car insurance discount for your good driving record
At least the cops who pulled you over didn't tazer or shoot you for fun!

Death and taxes are inevitable ... you have paid your fines, be glad you haven't paid with your life, yet.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 04, 2017, 07:39:09 PM
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Catching suspicious citizens ... tax revenue

100%, this is a cops first duty, which is an absolute shame.

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At least the cops who pulled you over didn't tazer or shoot you for fun!

No, and that's what always scares me. A guy walking at me with his hand on his gun has never made me feel safer.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 02:24:14 AM
That is your puritanism speaking.  Ever hear of Cato the Younger?  A very principled Roman.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 05, 2017, 02:42:40 AM
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That is your puritanism speaking.  Ever hear of Cato the Younger?  A very principled Roman.

I'll admit, the puratian remark is flying over my head, but of course I have heard of Cato. The Stoics who he followed are by far one of the greatest philosophical groups to emerge from Western thinking, even if it's hard to always live up to their principles, as well as some disagreement I have with them over the value of emotion.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 06:18:35 AM
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I'll admit, the puratian remark is flying over my head, but of course I have heard of Cato. The Stoics who he followed are by far one of the greatest philosophical groups to emerge from Western thinking, even if it's hard to always live up to their principles, as well as some disagreement I have with them over the value of emotion.

You demand perfection in yourself and others.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 05, 2017, 06:25:34 AM
Breaking the laws will cost you. I've never had a ticket, except on "over-time parking" ticket. I've been driving since 1966.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 06:50:01 AM
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Breaking the laws will cost you. I've never had a ticket, except on "over-time parking" ticket. I've been driving since 1966.

That's because your mom only let you drive the stationary car ride at the grocery store, and only when she had a spare quarter ;-)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 05, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
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Breaking the laws will cost you. I've never had a ticket, except on "over-time parking" ticket. I've been driving since 1966.

And again, it's silly that the law, which should be about protecting the safety and the life of the citizen, should punish you for protecting yourself when it fails. Which is applicable to more than just driving.

I am jealous. Like I said, I have received a $200 ticket, amongst others, for improper seatbelt usage (for medical reasons; I was sunburned to hell from roofing and couldn't rest it on my shoulders). Still had the belt on, just tucked under arm and across chest rather than over shoulder. After that, I simply cannot take driving laws as serious laws but rather a way for the PD to make some spare cash. Especially when I am surrounded by reckless drivers and there is never a cop to be seen to go after them, unless it's the very end of the month and they have to meet their quotas.

Edit: And I had forgotten a speeding ticket I got for "speeding" that was $400... was in the process of decelerating, was literally maybe 2 feet past the "35 mph" sign and going 38 when a motorcycle cop pulls me over. Most rude and asshole of cop I have ever met (even the one's who pulled me over for looking like I was carrying drugs to the coast were super polite, nice guys. Profiling or not, I am cool with them) who either was having a bad day or had to make that quota. Or was just a complete asshole. When people like him are the one's enforcing the law, I take no shame and see nothing wrong with "breaking" it because that's an impossible standard that, again, shows the law is not about protecting it's people but making cash for the state.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 05, 2017, 09:25:42 AM
"Silly" seems to mean anything that you get caught doing.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 05, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
A driving strategy that observes the law seems to be a workable strategy.  It's not perfect, but it gets you from point A to point B most of the time, and it's easier on the pocketbook.  Disregarding the law while still driving safely is not perfect either, but still gets you from point A to point B most of the time, but it is statistically going to get you more tickets.  You can't control other drivers, and you can't control the cops.  That's an unfortunate reality.  The only thing you have control over is your own driving, and we all drive under those parameters and should understand those parameters.  It shouldn't be more complicated than that.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 05, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
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A driving strategy that observes the law seems to be a workable strategy.  It's not perfect, but it gets you from point A to point B most of the time, and it's easier on the pocketbook.  Disregarding the law while still driving safely is not perfect either, but still gets you from point A to point B most of the time, but it is statistically going to get you more tickets.  You can't control other drivers, and you can't control the cops.  That's an unfortunate reality.  The only thing you have control over is your own driving, and we all drive under those parameters and should understand those parameters.  It shouldn't be more complicated than that.
I used to work for State Farm, handling auto accident claims. The things people will do is astounding. You can't control for other people's stupidity, but you can drive as to avoid adding to it. That's been my philosophy since high school. Driver's Ed back then was informative.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Mike Cl on July 05, 2017, 11:35:11 AM
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I used to work for State Farm, handling auto accident claims. The things people will do is astounding. You can't control for other people's stupidity, but you can drive as to avoid adding to it. That's been my philosophy since high school. Driver's Ed back then was informative.
Way back when, I learned that 10% of all drivers were driving drunk.  I then drove with that in mind; that the idiot driver around me, may be drunk.  And now with texting (don't know the % of that) I am aware that that idiot driver may be drunk and texting. 
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 05, 2017, 11:42:21 AM
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Way back when, I learned that 10% of all drivers were driving drunk.  I then drove with that in mind; that the idiot driver around me, may be drunk.  And now with texting (don't know the % of that) I am aware that that idiot driver may be drunk and texting. 
Back in 2000, before texting really took off, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reported that people were seven times more likely to be in an accident if they had a cell phone in the car. "In the car" because nobody admitted to being on the phone when an accident happened. Today it's much worse. I know of a man who got shot because he honked his horn after waiting several seconds for the driver ahead to drive on when the light turned green.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: pato15 on July 05, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
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And if the old fart didn't have a gun in his car he probably wouldn't be in as much trouble right now. Short tempers and easy murder make for a bad day.

If a 28 year old is an old fart, then I'm downright ancient  :eek:
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
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If a 28 year old is an old fart, then I'm downright ancient  :eek:

After 25 it is all down hill from there ... but that is OK, since I have no desire to climb up the hill of adolescence again ;-)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 05, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
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If a 28 year old is an old fart, then I'm downright ancient  :eek:
I'm sixteen, so yeah, you are.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
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I'm sixteen, so yeah, you are.

Since you claim many years of Navy service, you must be Benjamin Button ;-)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Mike Cl on July 05, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
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Back in 2000, before texting really took off, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reported that people were seven times more likely to be in an accident if they had a cell phone in the car. "In the car" because nobody admitted to being on the phone when an accident happened. Today it's much worse. I know of a man who got shot because he honked his horn after waiting several seconds for the driver ahead to drive on when the light turned green.
I've seen several times now while on a freeway a car weaving but mostly within his own lane; passed it and seen a phone in the person's hand.  I hate following cars doing that--but I hate passing them too; except when passed they are less dangerous to me.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Unbeliever on July 05, 2017, 05:51:42 PM
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"Silly" seems to mean anything that you get caught doing.
Well, getting caught is really the only thing that's illegal - or at least the only thing that results in punishment.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Unbeliever on July 05, 2017, 05:55:11 PM
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If a 28 year old is an old fart, then I'm downright ancient  :eek:
That's about the age when a person's forebrain becomes fully myelinated.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 04:36:32 AM
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Because you shouldn't be penalized for driving safely at 75 when there are 18 wheelers doing 90 around you, people swerving inbetween traffic, people who have no awareness, etc. etc. (on country roads).
1,  You can't drive safely at 75 mph on US roads.
2.  If 18 wheelers are driving 90, get out of their way.
3.  If people are swerving around you in traffic, you don't need to match their insanity.
4.  Let there be highway traffic cameras to catch the speeders.  Set the initial fee low but double it at each infraction.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 06, 2017, 05:32:51 AM
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Back in 2000, before texting really took off, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety reported that people were seven times more likely to be in an accident if they had a cell phone in the car. "In the car" because nobody admitted to being on the phone when an accident happened.
Most people answer the phone when it rings, even if they are doing something that requires normal concentration.  We have all experienced being cut off in mid sentence because someone's phone rings. A hand goes up signaling for you stop talking, while the other hand reaches for the phone.  People at the dinner table get up to see who is calling on the phone.  I can't think of what demands more immediate attention than a ringing phone.  Certainly not even a fire alarm.  And if a fire alarm does go off, some people have to call someone else just to tell them the fire alarm is going off.  It varies from a highest immediate priority for at least half of the human population to a large percentage that are clinically obsessed with their phones.  Driving a car does not stop people from answering the phone. 

People calling want to chat, but the person answering can become frantic to find out what it is about themselves that is so important that someone needs to call them on a phone: "Oh, this must be important."  Really?  How many phone calls today can be considered important?  It's not surprising people phone and text while they drive.  It's not a matter of being dangerous.  It is a result of loss of self control with their phone.  People have been informed that it's a danger, but it doesn't make any difference, because they become helpless as their urge to phone or text overpowers anything else that demands their full attention.

I know one person who refuses to admit he's doing anything dangerous.  He proudly claims to be "multi-tasking" as if it's an acquired skill, rather than the symptom of a short attention span.  And I'm certain others believe similar nonsense about their special ability to do two things at once.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Shiranu on July 06, 2017, 06:34:55 AM
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1,  You can't drive safely at 75 mph on US roads.

I see you have never been to Texas then... you cant drive safely under 75 miles per hour on I-10 or stretches of 35. Or even 123, which I am on the most with a speed limit of 65... if you go that speed, you are severely mismatched with the speed of everyone around you and create a higher risk of an accident happening. And yes, I get that's not my fault if they do hit me... but personally, I rather do what I can to not have a wreck in the first place than have a wreck and it not be my fault that I was severely injured or pushed into oncoming traffic and killing someone.


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2.  If 18 wheelers are driving 90, get out of their way.


Hard to do on one lane roads.

(90 is only a slight exaggeration; two days ago I was following an 18 wheeler at 80mph and he was slowly getting further away, so 90 is not too far off. To be fair to the cops, I have seen them pull over one or two 18 wheelers, but it's not enough to deter the rest of them. There are just too many industrial businesses along that stretch and not enough police to enforce the laws on the trucks and the commuters who use it.)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 06:39:30 AM
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Most people answer the phone when it rings, even if they are doing something that requires normal concentration.  We have all experienced being cut off in mid sentence because someone's phone rings. A hand goes up signaling for you stop talking, while the other hand reaches for the phone.  People at the dinner table get up to see who is calling on the phone.  I can't think of what demands more immediate attention than a ringing phone.  Certainly not even a fire alarm.  And if a fire alarm does go off, some people have to call someone else just to tell them the fire alarm is going off.  It varies from a highest immediate priority for at least half of the human population to a large percentage that are clinically obsessed with their phones.  Driving a car does not stop people from answering the phone. 

People calling want to chat, but the person answering can become frantic to find out what it is about themselves that is so important that someone needs to call them on a phone: "Oh, this must be important."  Really?  How many phone calls today can be considered important?  It's not surprising people phone and text while they drive.  It's not a matter of being dangerous.  It is a result of loss of self control with their phone.  People have been informed that it's a danger, but it doesn't make any difference, because they become helpless as their urge to phone or text overpowers anything else that demands their full attention.

I know one person who refuses to admit he's doing anything dangerous.  He proudly claims to be "multi-tasking" as if it's an acquired skill, rather than the symptom of a short attention span.  And I'm certain others believe similar nonsense about their special ability to do two things at once.

I don't answer the phone when it rings.  I don't have a cell phone, but I am at home almost all the time.  There, when the phone rings, I don't answer it.  I have 2 choices.  Check the display to see if there is a voice mail message, or not. 

But I have NoMoRoBo.  If it just rings once, it is a telemarketer and the call is cut off.  If it rings several times, there is a message.  99%n of the time (no joke) it is a pre-recorded message from a previously unkown telemarketer.

I could disconnect my telephone and not miss any calls from friends or family.  They email me. 

I have not had a telephone call for at least 15 years that had to be answered at once.  The last one I had that was important was a hospital that called saying they had my Dad and he could care for himself any more.  And THAT could have been a voice mail message because they were holding him for observation and just found my telephone number in his wallet.

Nothing is really urgent anymore, is it?
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 06, 2017, 07:08:54 AM
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Most people answer the phone when it rings, even if they are doing something that requires normal concentration.  We have all experienced being cut off in mid sentence because someone's phone rings. A hand goes up signaling for you stop talking, while the other hand reaches for the phone.  People at the dinner table get up to see who is calling on the phone.  I can't think of what demands more immediate attention than a ringing phone.  Certainly not even a fire alarm.  And if a fire alarm does go off, some people have to call someone else just to tell them the fire alarm is going off.  It varies from a highest immediate priority for at least half of the human population to a large percentage that are clinically obsessed with their phones.  Driving a car does not stop people from answering the phone. 

People calling want to chat, but the person answering can become frantic to find out what it is about themselves that is so important that someone needs to call them on a phone: "Oh, this must be important."  Really?  How many phone calls today can be considered important?  It's not surprising people phone and text while they drive.  It's not a matter of being dangerous.  It is a result of loss of self control with their phone.  People have been informed that it's a danger, but it doesn't make any difference, because they become helpless as their urge to phone or text overpowers anything else that demands their full attention.

I know one person who refuses to admit he's doing anything dangerous.  He proudly claims to be "multi-tasking" as if it's an acquired skill, rather than the symptom of a short attention span.  And I'm certain others believe similar nonsense about their special ability to do two things at once.
My phone is in my pocket when I'm driving, I can't get at it easily enough to answer a call.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 07:32:45 AM
The best next invention will be a device that creates a field blanking all cellular signals within 20'.  Restaraunts will hand them out for the duration of a visit.  Parents will buy them.  Carpoolers will buy them to prevent the driver from killing them on the way home.  Luxury cars (at first, then mass-market vehicles) will come equipped for driver control.  Then people will walk in shopping malls using them.  Theaters will buy whole-room versions...

More ideas for the uses?
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 06, 2017, 07:39:52 AM
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My phone is in my pocket when I'm driving, I can't get at it easily enough to answer a call.
I do that on purpose too.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 07:42:11 AM
"Officer, I have a license to carry a cell-phone, don't shoot...
  Bang!
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 06, 2017, 07:49:37 AM
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"Officer, I have a license to carry a cell-phone, don't shoot...
  Bang!
That's in the "news" for a reason.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 06, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
For God's sake!  Some people can't refrain from answering their phone when being held at gun point:  "Excuse me, Officer.  I have to take this."
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 08:04:42 AM
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For God's sake!  Some people can't refrain from answering their phone when being held at gun point:  "Excuse me, Officer.  I have to take this."
The sad thing is that I can well imagine that.  And the officer accepting it. 
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 06, 2017, 08:19:01 AM
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The sad thing is that I can well imagine that.  And the officer accepting it. 
Yes, that would be my logical conclusion to the situation.  You never ever fuck with someone's phone call.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 06, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
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Yes, that would be my logical conclusion to the situation.  You never ever fuck with someone's phone call.

I want a cell phone field nullifier...
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
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My phone is in my pocket when I'm driving, I can't get at it easily enough to answer a call.

Do you put it on vibe ;-)
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Unbeliever on July 06, 2017, 05:09:12 PM
It would be real torture to have your cell ringing while you're handcuffed. Worst than the Chinese water torture!
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: SGOS on July 06, 2017, 06:09:12 PM
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Do you put it on vibe ;-)
Yes, but only for the arousal.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 06, 2017, 07:06:53 PM
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For God's sake!  Some people can't refrain from answering their phone when being held at gun point:  "Excuse me, Officer.  I have to take this."
I see you know Teenage Negasonic Warhead.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Drew_2017 on July 06, 2017, 09:35:06 PM
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I have not had a telephone call for at least 15 years that had to be answered at once.  The last one I had that was important was a hospital that called saying they had my Dad and he could care for himself any more.  And THAT could have been a voice mail message because they were holding him for observation and just found my telephone number in his wallet.

Nothing is really urgent anymore, is it?

I think most young folks today would walk outside of the house nude before they walked out without a phone. I still brave going out without a phone, I'm a thrill seeker.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 06, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
As I was going to the grocery store today I noticed a line of cars stopped at a light. Four cars in a row, motionless. There was 3-4 car lengths from the first car to the crosswalk. The light was green for them. They were all bent over their phones.

I have no hope for civilization.
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 06, 2017, 11:37:53 PM
I've seen pictures of you posing in the latest fashions in stores Shiranu.. If I was a cop in your town I'd pull you over and give you ten tickets for..well..you know.. lol
I'm pretty sure there's some law about posing in the latest fashions whilst driving and if there isn't there oughtta be. They should make you take remedial posing in the latest fashions whilst driving classes..
Title: Re: Road Rage
Post by: Cavebear on July 11, 2017, 09:19:47 AM
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As I was going to the grocery store today I noticed a line of cars stopped at a light. Four cars in a row, motionless. There was 3-4 car lengths from the first car to the crosswalk. The light was green for them. They were all bent over their phones.

I have no hope for civilization.
I give a driver a 3 second count.  Then I hit the horn briefly.  Then LOUD if no response.  I just want distracted drivers to pull into a parking lot. 

What is the new version of "get a room"...?