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Title: RIP Batman
Post by: trdsf on June 10, 2017, 03:30:31 PM
At least my favorite Batman.  Adam West, dead at 88 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40235142).
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: SGOS on June 10, 2017, 03:42:11 PM
I remember that series as loads of fun.  When did Batman become so serious?
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2017, 04:25:14 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2017, 03:42:11 PM
I remember that series as loads of fun.  When did Batman become so serious?

I think the Batman comics started as serious, as Gothic (Gotham?).  The Adam West version as strictly child's play (Bop!, Pow!)
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Shiranu on June 10, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2017, 03:42:11 PM
I remember that series as loads of fun.  When did Batman become so serious?

When people realized how incredibly lame he was.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: GrinningYMIR on June 10, 2017, 05:55:30 PM
I liked the old bat man more than the new ones.


Rest In Peace adam west, won't forget him
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Munch on June 10, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on June 10, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
When people realized how incredibly lame he was.

And yet, they made an entire batman animated series off the cuff of that campy theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB3WXc6aDc

most of the early superheroes we know today came from a more light hearted and camp era they did bizarre stuff like supermans ever changing powers or wonder womans invisible plane. Adam wests batman came off the back of that era, so his show will always hold a place in the history of the batman mythos, even if there are people who are to edge lord of accept that version of him.

Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 10, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
I never liked Batman--nor Robin.  I wasn't really all that fond of Superman or Superboy or Supergirl.  Even as a kid, the old Superman show was really stupid.  Heckle and Jeckle were more real for than Superman.  My favorite type of hero was the Cisco and Poncho or Red Ryder and Little Beaver.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on June 10, 2017, 05:55:30 PM
I liked the old bat man more than the new ones.


Rest In Peace adam west, won't forget him

And the mayor of Springfield (Simpsons).
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Shiranu on June 10, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: Munch on June 10, 2017, 06:18:42 PM
And yet, they made an entire batman animated series off the cuff of that campy theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB3WXc6aDc

most of the early superheroes we know today came from a more light hearted and camp era they did bizarre stuff like supermans ever changing powers or wonder womans invisible plane. Adam wests batman came off the back of that era, so his show will always hold a place in the history of the batman mythos, even if there are people who are to edge lord of accept that version of him.



Hey, people use to believe all sorts of crazy things. I'm not saying it wasn't part of Batsies past, I'm just saying it was a stupid part of it. Kinda like super ripped jeans or ABBA.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: trdsf on June 10, 2017, 09:54:36 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2017, 03:42:11 PM
I remember that series as loads of fun.  When did Batman become so serious?
I blame Frank Miller.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 11, 2017, 02:56:33 AM
I liked silly batman.
I like serious batman.

I am just not a fan of the intermeadiate stages of 'Batman' (1989) up to 'Batman and Robin' (1997). Even those have good things in them, like Jack Nicholson as the Joker. And will hold a place in my heart for the nostalgia-factor alone. But looking at them as wholes, all these years later, I can't say they are good.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2017, 03:44:41 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 11, 2017, 02:56:33 AM
I liked silly batman.
I like serious batman.

I am just not a fan of the intermeadiate stages of 'Batman' (1989) up to 'Batman and Robin' (1997). Even those have good things in them, like Jack Nicholson as the Joker. And will hold a place in my heart for the nostalgia-factor alone. But looking at them as wholes, all these years later, I can't say they are good.
That's the way I am. The Adam West series was playfully over the top and an outright spoof, and clearly meant to be comedy, even slapstick.  I was already out of college then, and it was a huge hit with my age group.  Perhaps the success of that Batman lured Hollywood into thinking that all the superheroes of that middle era needed to indulge in the realm of the ridiculous to be successful.  Actually, one complaint about the first serious Superman, Superman Returns, was that it was perhaps "too dark and serious."  Although, I only heard that from one person.  Still Superman Returns had a ridiculous edge to it, but not ridiculous enough to be comedy, and not serious enough to seem more real.  Batman Begins was even more serious, and I welcomed that transformation in all the modern superheroes.  Batman of the middle is of so little interest to me that I don't even have one of those movies in my collection.  Although, I'm wondering if I should include one or two, just as representative of the superhero icons of that era.

When I worked at a University one of the student groups hosted a free movie each week, usually moderately older movies of high interest.  Somehow they found a serial called "Rocket Man with episodes that were perhaps 15 minutes long.  These episodes were ancient, absurdly hokey, and were on the order of the original Flash Gordon, even more absurd than Adam West.  They would show one episode before every feature film.  I would arrive at the hall which was always packed full.  They would start off with that weeks Rocket Man episode, after which half the hall would get up and leave, but always showing up again the following week.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2017, 07:48:03 AM
I liked the Disney update to Rocket Man as Rocketeer.  Yes, the stuff my parents watched in their youth were pretty silly and primitive.  When I was a kid, they ran B&W reruns of the stuff my parents watched 20 years earlier.  Do we really need a dark and serious version of Our Gang?
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: PopeyesPappy on June 11, 2017, 08:47:49 AM
RIP Adam West. What is Quahog going to do without you?

Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
I never liked Batman--nor Robin.  I wasn't really all that fond of Superman or Superboy or Supergirl.  Even as a kid, the old Superman show was really stupid.  Heckle and Jeckle were more real for than Superman.  My favorite type of hero was the Cisco and Poncho or Red Ryder and Little Beaver.

The early version of Superman fought most of his battles against corrupt government officials and gangsters. That lasted until the Joseph McCarthy era when it became dangerous to even look like you were being critical of the US government. Even in Comic books.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 09:42:11 AM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on June 11, 2017, 08:47:49 AM
RIP Adam West. What is Quahog going to do without you?

The early version of Superman fought most of his battles against corrupt government officials and gangsters. That lasted until the Joseph McCarthy era when it became dangerous to even look like you were being critical of the US government. Even in Comic books.
Neither Cisco or Red Ryder had to worry about commies.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2017, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 09:42:11 AM
Neither Cisco or Red Ryder had to worry about commies.

Didn't know about Red Ryder, did know about Cisco (in reruns).  For Westerns for kids, I saw Fess Parker as Daniel Boone.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2017, 12:41:35 PM
The 1940s and 50s movies and TV shows were mostly about the old west.  Then they disappeared for the most part.  It's interesting that a few people in those years actually grew up when the west was being settled, so I suppose there was a certain nostalgia that drove that focus.  My favorites were Roy Rodgers and in a pinch, Gene Autry.  Cisco and Poncho were probably number three on my list.  I didn't like it when the cowboys sang songs, though.  I put up with it, but that's about all.  I just didn't believe that cowboys sang that much when they weren't shooting bad guys or hanging out in the saloon.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
A great satirical Western is Rustler's Rhapsody featuring Rex O'Herlihan, The Singin' Cowboy. Tom Berenger is the good guy riding his trusty steed, Wildfire, from town to town, and Andy Griffith as the ruthless cattle baron.  Really, it's great fun.  You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 02:01:12 PM
Quote from: Baruch on June 11, 2017, 10:14:46 AM
Didn't know about Red Ryder, did know about Cisco (in reruns).  For Westerns for kids, I saw Fess Parker as Daniel Boone.
Yeah, so did I.  I listened to Cisco and Pancho on the radio--as well as the Lone Ranger, Buster Crabbe, Gunsmoke, The Whistler and tons of my grandmother's soaps.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 02:03:13 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 11, 2017, 12:41:35 PM
The 1940s and 50s movies and TV shows were mostly about the old west.  Then they disappeared for the most part.  It's interesting that a few people in those years actually grew up when the west was being settled, so I suppose there was a certain nostalgia that drove that focus.  My favorites were Roy Rodgers and in a pinch, Gene Autry.  Cisco and Poncho were probably number three on my list.  I didn't like it when the cowboys sang songs, though.  I put up with it, but that's about all.  I just didn't believe that cowboys sang that much when they weren't shooting bad guys or hanging out in the saloon.
I was not fond of the singing, either.  One of my favs was also Rex Allen.  I liked him better than both Gene Autry or Roy Rogers. 
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2017, 10:54:47 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 02:01:12 PM
Yeah, so did I.  I listened to Cisco and Pancho on the radio--as well as the Lone Ranger, Buster Crabbe, Gunsmoke, The Whistler and tons of my grandmother's soaps.

My dad ... Westerns.

My grandparents ... Lawrence Welk.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Baruch on June 11, 2017, 10:54:47 PM
My dad ... Westerns.

My grandparents ... Lawrence Welk.
My mom--Lawrence Welk and Liberace.  Dad--westerns.  My grandparents, the polka and the  schottische--Charlie Chapman.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: trdsf on June 11, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 11, 2017, 11:03:12 PM
My mom--Lawrence Welk and Liberace.  Dad--westerns.  My grandparents, the polka and the  schottische--Charlie Chapman.
Oh, hell, *I* know how to polka, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on June 12, 2017, 06:38:12 AM
All I can say is the last time I was getting beat up in a dark alley the last person I would have been hoping to come along to save me would have been wearing colorful tights and a cape.
That said dark alleys really get a bad rap. If you're wondering around at night looking for a safe place to hang out you can find no place safer. "The bad guys" looking to rob the casual stranger just don't hang out in dark alleys..  The reason is quite simple,  there's just nobody there to rob. 
As far as Adam West goes don't expect me to get all teary eyed. He was a pretty lousy actor at best. The dynamic dual looked like the kids in school who always got their asses kicked.
Anyone remember the crappy product Lawrence Welk sold on TV in the mid 70s? The Lawrence Welk Musical Spoons.. it was just a couple of cheap spoons held together with some spring loaded gizmo..    http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lawrence-Welk-Musical-Spoons-with-Red-Handle-/182285435859
Too bad that the crappy Lawrence Welk accent doesn't translate well in text.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 12, 2017, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 12, 2017, 06:38:12 AM
All I can say is the last time I was getting beat up in a dark alley the last person I would have been hoping to come along to save me would have been wearing colorful tights and a cape.
That said dark alleys really get a bad rap. If you're wondering around at night looking for a safe place to hang out you can find no place safer. "The bad guys" looking to rob the casual stranger just don't hang out in dark alleys..  The reason is quite simple,  there's just nobody there to rob. 
As far as Adam West goes don't expect me to get all teary eyed. He was a pretty lousy actor at best. The dynamic dual looked like the kids in school who always got their asses kicked.
Anyone remember the crappy product Lawrence Welk sold on TV in the mid 70s? The Lawrence Welk Musical Spoons.. it was just a couple of cheap spoons held together with some spring loaded gizmo..    http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lawrence-Welk-Musical-Spoons-with-Red-Handle-/182285435859
Too bad that the crappy Lawrence Welk accent doesn't translate well in text.
Lawrence Welk in the 70's??  I remember Lawrence Welk in the 50's.  My mom loved him--and back in the day, we got only one channel.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 12, 2017, 12:30:35 PM
Saw Lawrence Welk in the 60s ... he was around a long time.  And then syndicated reruns ever since.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: trdsf on June 12, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Well, fuck.  As if losing Adam West isn't bad enough, I just found out Peter Sallis -- the voice of Wallace in the Wallace and Gromit animations -- died last week.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 12, 2017, 02:37:30 PM
I wonder how Bruce Wayne is taking all of this...
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Baruch on June 12, 2017, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: trdsf on June 12, 2017, 12:34:32 PM
Well, fuck.  As if losing Adam West isn't bad enough, I just found out Peter Sallis -- the voice of Wallace in the Wallace and Gromit animations -- died last week.

One more time for old times sake ... "Cheese"!
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
My favorite type of hero was the Cisco and Poncho or Red Ryder and Little Beaver.

Oh, I thought you were taking about this fellow:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrN98wTYVA
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
This is among the funniest Adam West cameos I've seen - on News Radio:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYtb2k6OFkc
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
Batman and Robin met a hell of a lot of celebrities as they climbed walls - even Kernel Klink!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_CM3tvkys

Those used to be my favorite scenes - you never knew who they'd meet!
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 12, 2017, 08:36:18 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 07:38:01 PM
Oh, I thought you were taking about this fellow:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrN98wTYVA
Well--yeah!--he was a close second!!
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
Ah, I see you mean this guy:



(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1c/6d/b9/1c6db9f17578b394b0a0c201955563a6.jpg)
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Mike Cl on June 12, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 12, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
Ah, I see you mean this guy:



(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1c/6d/b9/1c6db9f17578b394b0a0c201955563a6.jpg)
And don't forget Little Beaver! :)
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: trdsf on June 15, 2017, 01:56:52 PM
I like this: LA will be firing up the Bat-Signal tonight (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/adam-west-bat-signal-shine-la-honor-1013680) in tribute to Adam West.
Title: Re: RIP Batman
Post by: Cavebear on June 18, 2017, 06:18:53 AM
I hated Adam West's Batman.  But he became a voice-over in animated shows and even made fun of himself.  So he did what he had to as Batman, and did better later.  Actors take the roles they can get.  I'll miss him.