It's disgraceful that in 2017 we have to have commercials and organizations informing Americans that a group of people that have been in the U.S. for 100-something years aren't terrorists, Muslims, or scary others because they have repeatedly had their property vandalized and have been assaulted and killed.
Sikhs are derivative of Guru Nanak ... who borrowed from both Islam and Hinduism. Both of which are fundamentally un-American. But I do think that the beards and turbans of Sikh men are cool ;-)
Where I live we have a large population of Sikhs. I do remember that there was a big dust-up about their carrying a kirpan (small knife). The red-necks of the area thought it was horrible that they could carry knives. Anyway, it soon became a non-issue.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2017, 07:36:36 PM
Where I live we have a large population of Sikhs. I do remember that there was a big dust-up about their carrying a kirpan (small knife). The red-necks of the area thought it was horrible that they could carry knives. Anyway, it soon became a non-issue.
Yeah, red necks never carry knives (think Crocodile Dundee).
Quote from: Baruch on June 10, 2017, 07:38:05 PM
Yeah, red necks never carry knives (think Crocodile Dundee).
Of course red-necks carry knives. They just don't want anybody else to.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 10, 2017, 10:09:16 PM
Of course red-necks carry knives. They just don't want anybody else to.
Like police shoot people how have permits to carry guns... You get stopped and declare you have a gun and a permit? You are dead.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 18, 2017, 06:30:03 AM
Like police shoot people how have permits to carry guns... You get stopped and declare you have a gun and a permit? You are dead.
I see you like that myth. A rabid cop hater at AF.org provided the data to show that on any given day in the US you have 1/110,000,000 chances of being killed by a policeman.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 18, 2017, 06:56:24 AM
I see you like that myth. A rabid cop hater at AF.org provided the data to show that on any given day in the US you have 1/110,000,000 chances of being killed by a policeman.
The odds don't matter if you are the ONE stopped by a cop who shoots in panic hearing a person stating honestly when questioned that he has a gun even legitimately. The defense was that the policeman had a right to panic upon hearing there was a gun in the car.
Would the driver have been shot if he was white and looked like a PI? Really?
No, and that's the rub.
When black guys get shot for carrying a gun IN STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY ONE OPENLY or with permits, something is seriously wrong. And when the police get off for killing a law-abiding citizen, that is wrong. I want that cop in jail for murder.
And I'm not in favor of every yahoo carrying guns for no good reason.
I'm a older white guy. But I'll be damned if I will accept the police acting like they have a 007 license-to-kill!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on June 18, 2017, 06:56:24 AM
I see you like that myth. A rabid cop hater at AF.org provided the data to show that on any given day in the US you have 1/110,000,000 chances of being killed by a policeman.
Life is 100% fatal. I don't fear cops, I have a nephew who is a cop. But I respect anyone carrying heat. Including the nice gate guard at work carrying a loaded M-16.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 18, 2017, 07:17:05 AM
The odds don't matter if you are the ONE stopped by a cop who shoots in panic hearing a person stating honestly when questioned that he has a gun even legitimately. The defense was that the policeman had a right to panic upon hearing there was a gun in the car.
Would the driver have been shot if he was white and looked like a PI? Really?
No, and that's the rub.
When black guys get shot for carrying a gun IN STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY ONE OPENLY or with permits, something is seriously wrong. And when the police get off for killing a law-abiding citizen, that is wrong. I want that cop in jail for murder.
And I'm not in favor of every yahoo carrying guns for no good reason.
I'm a older white guy. But I'll be damned if I will accept the police acting like they have a 007 license-to-kill!
Sorry you are triggered ;-( All Americans are guilty ... see IRS law. When I am stopped by the police anywhere, I simply freeze in a relaxed way, do nothing, say nothing. Panic isn't a good idea, it makes you look guilty (and you are). And yes, police are imperfect. Just ask the DoD ... we bomb weddings and hospitals all the time (oops!).
He is sick...
cops are supposed to be guilty until proven innocent... and somehow that has been forgotten and changed into let's all kiss the cops ass.
4th ammendment says that a judge can not give a cop a warrant without some kind of proof you committed a crime. Habeus Corpus says that when you get picked up you have a right to demand the cop prove to the judge that you were involved in a crime.
I've been stopped enough times for no reason to know that they all need to take a chill pill and get off their adrenaline high. Even got stopped 3 times just walking down the street. I am white but so what. I still say fire every last one of those assholes and start over again from scratch with people who are going to earn respect instead of demand it
Sikhs are still Muslim in my eyes, and all Muslims are a Judah branch which they are cousin to Christianity and therefore shit.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 03:10:27 AM
Sikhs are still Muslim in my eyes, and all Muslims are a Judah branch which they are cousin to Christianity and therefore shit.
Part Hindu also. Sikhs are a merger between Muslims and Hindus. Bahai people are also an offshoot of Islam, as are the Druze.
Quote from: fencerider on July 15, 2017, 02:21:08 AM
cops are supposed to be guilty until proven innocent... and somehow that has been forgotten and changed into let's all kiss the cops ass.
4th ammendment says that a judge can not give a cop a warrant without some kind of proof you committed a crime. Habeus Corpus says that when you get picked up you have a right to demand the cop prove to the judge that you were involved in a crime.
I've been stopped enough times for no reason to know that they all need to take a chill pill and get off their adrenaline high. Even got stopped 3 times just walking down the street. I am white but so what. I still say fire every last one of those assholes and start over again from scratch with people who are going to earn respect instead of demand it
Unfortunately, the Bill of Rights is suspended for the duration of the war ... which started for the US, before Pearl Harbor ... in 1940.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 03:10:27 AM
Sikhs are still Muslim in my eyes, and all Muslims are a Judah branch which they are cousin to Christianity and therefore shit.
Then you have no understanding of Sikh philosophy, which is much more heavily influenced by Hinduism and Buddhism than being just Islamic (and the Abrahamic faiths). Also take into account that area was also heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism... you may think all of those are shit, which is perfectly fine, but they are not remotely the same thing. Sikhism is just as much Dharmic as it is Abrahamic, and is really interesting in itself to just lump in with others.
Racists and Islamophobes are neither intelligent nor educated, so they won't understand the message. Too many big, polysyllabic words.
Plus that one guy keeps pronouncing it "sick" instead of "seek", which can cause confusion.
I find it funny that all Y'all are defending a religion. Seriously? We are atheist! Fuck religion! And the Judiah who resulted in all these branches like Sikhs.Sure the culture is intresting but they act just like Muslims who say they are a "religion of peace" and turn around and do something fucked up.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
I find it funny that all Y'all are defending a religion. Seriously? We are atheist! Fuck religion! And the Judiah who resulted in all these branches like Sikhs.Sure the culture is intresting but they act just like Muslims who say they are a "religion of peace" and turn around and do something fucked up.
Sikhs are only terrorists in India, against Hindus and PM who shoot up their Golden Temple.
Phobic people are sick. Republican-Phobes are sick. Democrat-Phobes are sick ... see how that works!
What I hate about the SJW is that they are White-Phobic and Male-Phobic and American-Phobic ... they need a padded cell and some medication, stat!
When I see that sikh all I hear is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
I find it funny that all Y'all are defending a religion. Seriously? We are atheist! Fuck religion! And the Judiah who resulted in all these branches like Sikhs.Sure the culture is intresting but they act just like Muslims who say they are a "religion of peace" and turn around and do something fucked up.
Except the majority of Sikh tradition, again, comes from Dharmic instead of Abrahamic teachings.
Also, you are mistaking atheist for anti-theist, which is like mistaking Sikhs for Muslims. It's ignorant and inaccurate.
Also, Sikhs are overwhelmingly positive influences in their societies... so... yeah...
This is one thing that has driven me away from identifying as atheist... The vocal atheists who are proudly ignorant about what they dislike give the rest of us a bad name.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 15, 2017, 03:17:37 PM
Except the majority of Sikh tradition, again, comes from Dharmic instead of Abrahamic teachings.
Also, you are mistaking atheist for anti-theist, which is like mistaking for Sikhs for Muslims. It's ignorant and inaccurate.
Also, Sikhs are overwhelmingly positive influences in their societies... so... yeah...
Athiests are anti theist
All religions are the same don't say they are not that makes you ignorant
Sikh still has abrahamic shit
"Athiests are anti theist"
No, they aren't.
"All religions are the same..."
Not even remotely.
"Sikh still has abrahamic shit"
So do you, to provably more extent than they, so don't cast stones lest you break that glass house.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 18, 2017, 07:17:05 AM
The odds don't matter if you are the ONE stopped by a cop who shoots in panic hearing a person stating honestly when questioned that he has a gun even legitimately. The defense was that the policeman had a right to panic upon hearing there was a gun in the car.
Would the driver have been shot if he was white and looked like a PI? Really?
No, and that's the rub.
When black guys get shot for carrying a gun IN STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY ONE OPENLY or with permits, something is seriously wrong. And when the police get off for killing a law-abiding citizen, that is wrong. I want that cop in jail for murder.
And I'm not in favor of every yahoo carrying guns for no good reason.
I'm a older white guy. But I'll be damned if I will accept the police acting like they have a 007 license-to-kill!
That's a good SJW.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 03:21:16 PM
Athiests are anti theist
All religions are the same don't say they are not that makes you ignorant
Sikh still has abrahamic shit
You have facial hair envy and turban envy ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 15, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
"Athiests are anti theist"
No, they aren't.
"All religions are the same..."
Not even remotely.
"Sikh still has abrahamic shit"
So do you, to provably more extent than they, so don't cast stones lest you break that glass house.
Ah! So your so ignorant of religion you probably buy into that religion of peace bullshit!
Let me educate you. All religions are the same because they all have a fantasy world with a higher being and have followers that are faithful enough to believe in their delusions to twist reality around to a point where they justly kill, rape or manipulate a person.
The definition of a atheist is person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. So yes because we don't believe in god or gods, we don't believe in a religion and therefore we are against religion. In our title "Atheist" we have an a which when added to a word in our language means anti. So all in all we are by definition anti theist and anti religion.
Yes I have Abrahamic names, what of it? At-least I know its bull shit.
Also because we are a minority we have learned to co exist with religions often in hiding for fear of oppression, and segregation and even death.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 03:21:16 PMAthiests are anti theist
Hi, actual antitheist here.
I don't hate Sikhs or religious people in general. I do despise the superstitious and dangerous beliefs that theists often hold. But I don't lump all religions together, some are definitely worse than others. I find Sikh beliefs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_philosophy) to be more progressive than most other religions. Also, Sikhs themselves don't strike me as a particularly violent or intolerant people.
So, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 08:45:33 PM
Ah! So your so ignorant of religion you probably buy into that religion of peace bullshit!
Let me educate you. All religions are the same because they all have a fantasy world with a higher being and have followers that are faithful enough to believe in their delusions to twist reality around to a point where they justly kill, rape or manipulate a person.
The definition of a atheist is person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. So yes because we don't believe in god or gods, we don't believe in a religion and therefore we are against religion. In our title "Atheist" we have an a which when added to a word in our language means anti. So all in all we are by definition anti theist and anti religion.
Yes I have Abrahamic names, what of it? At-least I know its bull shit.
Also because we are a minority we have learned to co exist with religions often in hiding for fear of oppression, and segregation and even death.
There are all sorts of ways to be Black in a White society, and having to pass as White. We Jews know about this. You have my sympathy ... life sucks.
Quote from: Baruch on July 15, 2017, 11:32:47 PM
There are all sorts of ways to be Black in a White society, and having to pass as White. We Jews know about this. You have my sympathy ... life sucks.
Except I'm not black.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 15, 2017, 10:56:08 PM
Hi, actual antitheist here.
I don't hate Sikhs or religious people in general. I do despise the superstitious and dangerous beliefs that theists often hold. But I don't lump all religions together, some are definitely worse than others. I find Sikh beliefs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_philosophy) to be more progressive than most other religions. Also, Sikhs themselves don't strike me as a particularly violent or intolerant people.
So, I have no idea what you're talking about.
So yous a weak atheist eh? Also I have no problem with culture if it is social reasoning, it's the religion I'm opposing. Yes some religions are more shitty than others for I like Buddhism the best, but like Buddhism, Sikh, and other less shitty choices they all have bullshit and they all have fanatic followers. I can understand people like Baruch because hes not too far in his own shit, to have more logical aspects and reasoning. However when your defending a religious group of nuts calling defenders of their own religious truth I'd say your looney too.
Also I take pride that as a third gen anti religion man, than a 1st gen telling I'm fake.
Islam is not and never was an abrahamic faith.
Muhammad pretended for the reason to give himself an ancestry, and to gain converts from the Jews and Christians living then in Arabia.
They did not want to convert, so Muhammad fought them and banished them from Arabia.
All the Muslim customs and rituals are of Arabian pagan origins, to attract the pagan Arabs to Islam.
Allah is not and never was the god of the Jews or Christians.
Allah originally was a pagan rock god in the Kaaba.
There is no indications in the bible of either Allah or Muhammad.
Don’t have to believe me, research it for yourselves.
.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 15, 2017, 11:51:35 AM
I find it funny that all Y'all are defending a religion. Seriously? We are atheist! Fuck religion! And the Judiah who resulted in all these branches like Sikhs.Sure the culture is intresting but they act just like Muslims who say they are a "religion of peace" and turn around and do something fucked up.
I, for one, am defending the people, not the religion. I do the same with Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. (as long as they are not harming anyone).
All religions are false. Many religions (particularly in their extreme forms) are downright evil. But for the most part, the people are good.
Quote from: pr126 on July 16, 2017, 06:36:12 AM
Islam is not and never was an abrahamic faith.
Muhammad pretended for the reason to give himself an ancestry, and to gain converts from the Jews and Christians living then in Arabia.
They did not want to convert, so Muhammad fought them and banished them from Arabia.
All the Muslim customs and rituals are of Arabian pagan origins, to attract the pagan Arabs to Islam.
Allah is not and never was the god of the Jews or Christians.
Allah originally was a pagan rock god in the Kaaba.
There is no indications in the bible of either Allah or Muhammad.
Don’t have to believe me, research it for yourselves.
.
Neither Christianity nor Judaism are legitimate either. Abraham wasn't Jewish .. most likely Hurrian.
Draconic Aiur ... anyone in American who isn't like the majority, is Black. It is the idea, not the skin color. As an alien in an alien land, it is natural for you to be alienated.
"There is no indications in the bible of either Allah or Muhammad. "
...are you on drugs?
QuoteAh! So your so ignorant of religion you probably buy into that religion of peace bullshit!
So the guy who thinks Sikhs are basically Muslims is calling me ignorant about religion.
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QuoteAll religions are the same because they all have a fantasy world with a higher being...
Wrong again, Bob.
QuoteThe definition of a atheist is person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods...
Correct.
QuoteSo yes because we don't believe in god or gods, we don't believe in a religion and therefore we are against religion.
Awww, you were doing so good. That aint how it works.
QuoteIn our title "Atheist" we have an a which when added to a word in our language means anti. So all in all we are by definition anti theist and anti religion.
Actually, in "our" language (actually, in Latin) the a- prefix stands for "without". Without-theism, not anti-theism.
Anti- in Latin means "Against".
(For fun's sake, in our language a- means "on", "in", "into"... so I don't think that helps you either :P)
QuoteYes I have Abrahamic names, what of it? At-least I know its bull shit.
Not what I said. I said you have "Abrahamic shit" in regards to you saying they have Abrahamic beliefs. As an American, much of your beliefs are heavily influenced by Abrahamic morals and standards, even if you don't realise it. More than likely you are more heavily influenced by Abrahamic traditions than Sikhs are, who are more heavily influenced by Dharmic tradition.
QuoteAlso I take pride that as a third gen anti religion man, than a 1st gen telling I'm fake.
You're not fake, you're just wrong.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2017, 08:12:42 AM
"There is no indications in the bible of either Allah or Muhammad. "
...are you on drugs?
Depends on what magic ingredients he adds to his baking ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on July 16, 2017, 10:55:59 AM
Depends on what magic ingredients he adds to his baking ;-))
Some people feel more comfortable with lies and propaganda.
It’s their problem.
Getting educated about Islam from Muslims. Politicians do it all the time.
All they have to do is read their books. Who wants to bother with that?
I would like some proof that the bible contains a valid reference to Allah or Muhammad.
Without the word plays and mental gymnastics.
http://www.menorah.org/allahtrc.html
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 16, 2017, 12:42:34 AMSo yous a weak atheist eh?
I do not think that word means what you think it means, given the context of my post. But yes, weak atheist (someone who doesn't believe in any deity but doesn't assert that deities do not exist) would be accurate.
Quotethey all have bullshit and they all have fanatic followers.
To greater or lesser degrees, let's say that's true. What response should I have besides criticizing religious faith as I have already been doing for many years?
QuoteHowever when your defending a religious group of nuts calling defenders of their own religious truth I'd say your looney too.
Is that what I'm doing? And here I thought I was just asserting that Sikhism and Sikhs themselves don't seem particularly terrible compared to their peers.
QuoteAlso I take pride that as a third gen anti religion man, than a 1st gen telling I'm fake.
:eh: You know that's not heritable, right?
Quote from: Shiranu on July 16, 2017, 08:43:08 AM
So the guy who thinks Sikhs are basically Muslims is calling me ignorant about religion.
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Wrong again, Bob.
Correct.
Awww, you were doing so good. That aint how it works.
Actually, in "our" language (actually, in Latin) the a- prefix stands for "without". Without-theism, not anti-theism.
Anti- in Latin means "Against".
(For fun's sake, in our language a- means "on", "in", "into"... so I don't think that helps you either :P)
Not what I said. I said you have "Abrahamic shit" in regards to you saying they have Abrahamic beliefs. As an American, much of your beliefs are heavily influenced by Abrahamic morals and standards, even if you don't realise it. More than likely you are more heavily influenced by Abrahamic traditions than Sikhs are, who are more heavily influenced by Dharmic tradition.
You're not fake, you're just wrong.
Shut up! Your the wrong one defending a religious sect that is Sikhs!
Quote from: pr126 on July 16, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
Some people feel more comfortable with lies and propaganda.
It’s their problem.
Getting educated about Islam from Muslims. Politicians do it all the time.
All they have to do is read their books. Who wants to bother with that?
I would like some proof that the bible contains a valid reference to Allah or Muhammad.
Without the word plays and mental gymnastics.
http://www.menorah.org/allahtrc.html
Ask a rabbi ... it is all word plays and mental gymnastics ... that is a prime qualification to be a rabbi ;-))
Pre-Roman Christianity, early Islam, rabbinic Judaism ... all come from the same general Semitic matrix ... as influenced by Hellenism, Zoroastrianism and Indic thought. But don't accept the myth of origin of any religion ... including rabbinic Judaism. If any miracles are claimed, you know they are ... telling mere stories. Alaha is the Aramaic word for "god". Muhammad specialized it into "Allah" to meet his political requirements. Just as Hellenistic Jews specialized "meshiach" into "Christos".
I will confess that I don't know the details about every religion and religious culture, but I can tell you from a atheist point of view theey are all the same with their religious hoobuju and their shitty logic. Based on what I learned about Sikhs, they are people who are defenders of truth, what truth you ask? The belief in god of course.
QuoteShut up! Your the wrong one defending a religious sect that is Sikhs!
I thought atheists were suppose to be the rational ones...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2017, 06:29:10 AM
I thought atheists were suppose to be the rational ones...
Rational is over-rated. All apes are irrational. But an SJW is all pro all the time, never anti .. unless it is White Male.
I put up with any religion that doesn't force it's shit in people's faces, that however doesn't make even the mild versions of said faiths any better, it's like comparing mouse shit to elephant shit, ones far bigger and got a wider aura of funk, but it's all still the same waste.
Most Sikhs I know are better people than atheists, and a large part of it has to do with their religious customs. If mouse shit can produce a better person than a clean ass, than perhaps mouse shit is better.
Atheon wrote:QuoteI, for one, am defending the people, not the religion. I do the same with Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. (as long as they are not harming anyone).
Interesting virtue signaling.
What makes you think that a religious person needs defending by an atheist?
Defending them from whom, exactly? Other atheists?
Do you think they would reciprocate?
Wait. Christians in Iraq need defending (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjRvwIyAI5M) Can you help?
"Do you think they would reciprocate?"
Is that what we should base our being decent human beings on? What's in it for us.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2017, 01:35:07 PM
"Do you think they would reciprocate?"
Is that what we should base our being decent human beings on? What's in it for us.
That is what "natural law" hypothesizes. We imagine if everyone did X, would X be of benefit to society as a whole. So if you bless, you get blessed. If you curse, your are cursed. There are no decent human beings as you describe them (Christian saints they are called, and they are fake).
Quote from: fencerider on July 15, 2017, 02:21:08 AM
cops are supposed to be guilty until proven innocent... and somehow that has been forgotten and changed into let's all kiss the cops ass.
4th ammendment says that a judge can not give a cop a warrant without some kind of proof you committed a crime. Habeus Corpus says that when you get picked up you have a right to demand the cop prove to the judge that you were involved in a crime.
I've been stopped enough times for no reason to know that they all need to take a chill pill and get off their adrenaline high. Even got stopped 3 times just walking down the street. I am white but so what. I still say fire every last one of those assholes and start over again from scratch with people who are going to earn respect instead of demand it
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Cops too. But they must not be pronounced innocent when there is video proof of guilt. That turns evidence on its head and suggests that cops are above the law.
You can't claim fear for your life just because a person announces they have a legal gun in their car. Facing THAT is part of the job.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 18, 2017, 05:48:32 AM
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Cops too. But they must not be pronounced innocent when there is video proof of guilt. That turns evidence on its head and suggests that cops are above the law.
You can't claim fear for your life just because a person announces they have a legal gun in their car. Facing THAT is part of the job.
Cops, conservatives, the IRS all disagree with you.
If you have a legal right to have a gun,
You can't be killed for having one.
But wait, it seems that yes you can
If color scares that armed policeman.
The laws are writ for those, they say,
Who armed with badges rule the day,
But licensed killers sure to know
Their blueshirt brethren love them so.
And if a one should come to trial,
Their buddies there will shade and lie,
And friends invent outrageous tales
That conteravent the camera's truth
That nary gun was ever seen or found,
Raised in anger, on the ground
Or hidden with decept intent,
But faked to be though cameras show
Upon the graveyards of the dead,
The lines of markers showing that,
To be minority meaning as it did
Poor chance chance to older grow than "kid".
This is not a poem, see?
It is a rant in anger.
That too many minorities
See youth a path to death,
It starts out "them"
And If I do not scream loudly enough,
Some day they'll
Feel free to shoot me...
So I will scream loudly
But maybe not loudly enough,
And then I'll wish
I had screamed louder
Dontre Hamilton
Eric Garner
John Crawford III
Michael Brown Jr
Ezell Ford
Dante Parker
Tanisha Anderson
Akai Gurley
Tamir Rice
Rumain Brisbon
Jerame Reid
Tony Robinson
Phillip White
Eric Harris
Walter Scott
Freddie Gray
Many policemen = former war veteran with PTSD, that goes into "combat mode" when triggered by a civilian confrontation. Your rights don't protect shit.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 17, 2017, 06:29:10 AM
I thought atheists were suppose to be the rational ones...
We are! You are defending a non rational religious sect because they can be very peaceful. And I'm saying they still have darkness in them because they are religious and you're like defending that darkness saying its good.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 18, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
We are! You are defending a non rational religious sect because they can be very peaceful. And I'm saying they still have darkness in them because they are religious and you're like defending that darkness saying its good.
Their good outweighs the average atheists good in my experience, so to judge them for flaws in their ideology is hypocritical and impractical.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 18, 2017, 03:08:36 PM
We are! You are defending a non rational religious sect because they can be very peaceful. And I'm saying they still have darkness in them because they are religious and you're like defending that darkness saying its good.
The Abyss lies in all. And I am not lying ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on July 18, 2017, 06:31:07 PM
Their good outweighs the average atheists good in my experience, so to judge them for flaws in their ideology is hypocritical and impractical.
Okay Mr. nutty fruitcake.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on July 19, 2017, 01:28:52 AM
Okay Mr. nutty fruitcake.
For some reason, that doesn't seem too insulting coming from someone taking pride in being ignorant and insisting atheists have a set ideology and anyone who disagrees is not a "True Atheist"...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2017, 08:36:39 AM
For some reason, that doesn't seem too insulting coming from someone taking pride in being ignorant and insisting atheists have a set ideology and anyone who disagrees is not a "True Atheist"...
I may have made a mistake or too from ignorance I will admit that, but I will never accept religion or think religious people should be accepted when they think in a fantasy world. I cannot this is reality not the world of imagination and their religion has no business coming in between science and histories moral laws.
Also I'm Militant Atheist
Quote...but I will never accept religion or think religious people should be accepted when they think in a fantasy world.
Again, if that fantasy world is one that leads them to being better human beings than the average atheist, than I have no place to judge them.
QuoteI cannot this is reality not the world of imagination and their religion has no business coming in between science...
Completely agreed. However for the overwhelming majority of scientists, this is not an issue, particularly in developed countries (even the ones that are still deeply religious. If you look at the top 40 countries by scientific output, you see no concrete correlation between religiosity of a country and their output; Ireland, U.S., Spain, Portugal, Greece, etc. are up there with more secular countries.).
Edit: If you want to check quality of research and not just quantity, the United States comes out on top, as do countries like Italy, India and Spain. So again, no real correlation.
Blaming religion for holding science back is blaming a symptom for the disease.
Quote...and histories moral laws.
I'm going to need some clarification here, because histories moral laws ARE religion, and when they weren't they were often very... unpleasant... as well. Of course in those cases you can just say, "Well, but the politics or sociology became a religion in themselves!" but then you are ignoring the fact that the exact same argument can be made about the religious sins.
QuoteAlso I'm Militant Atheist
My condolences?
It is OK to be militant. I am not a pacifist either. Under some circumstances, I would approve of killing other human beings, or even doing it myself.
The problem I have is with arrogance. People think because their are theist, that they are someone special. Some atheists think this way too ;-)
In my case, I try not to look down on fellow human beings, however ape like their behavior. I would be hypocritical if I did, unless I want to be self hating.