FBI director was questioned for 2 1/2 hrs be the Senate intelligence committee in open session. He was questioned immediately after in a classified meeting. Steele and Ungar said listen to how he answers if he says I don't know there's nothing there. If he says he can't answer in an open session, he knows something. Judging by the number of times he refused to answer outside of a classified session both Jeff Sessions and Michael Flynn are going to be in trouble.
Trump wasn't yet under investigation when he was fired.... Muller is just starting the investigation of the Trump campaign; no sayin where it will go
Quote from: fencerider on June 08, 2017, 11:27:20 PM
FBI director was questioned for 2 1/2 hrs be the Senate intelligence committee in open session. He was questioned immediately after in a classified meeting. Steele and Ungar said listen to how he answers if he says I don't know there's nothing there. If he says he can't answer in an open session, he knows something. Judging by the number of times he refused to answer outside of a classified session both Jeff Sessions and Michael Flynn are going to be in trouble. Trump wasn't yet under investigation when he was fired.... Muller is just starting the investigation of the Trump campaign; no sayin where it will go
Comey said ... journalist speculate on things that are classified. Then when the FBI or others say ... they can't say more, that means ... conspiracy theory. Why is conspiracy theory only a problem when directed against D party, but not against R party? Didn't Obama as a child, claim to be Muslim, when his Muslim father sent him to Indonesia for education? Not that I think Obama is religious at all, he is a grifter, money, fame and power are his trinity ... like many others like him.
So, for public consumption, you want all things declassified? If they did that, not only would our enemies know things we don't want them to know, but the public would then say ... but the real story is ...
Comey didn't say ... Trump is a Russian agent ... you must impeach him. Too bad, you D folk. And I really think that Gore had the 2000 election stolen. But that is just a conspiracy theory.
What isn't a conspiracy theory is that the Republicans have really only one defense of Trump as president and that is that he's merely incompetent and lies to the nation for our own good..
Well, now that's a ringing endorsement if ever there was one, eh?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 09, 2017, 04:18:49 AM
What isn't a conspiracy theory is that the Republicans have really only one defense of Trump as president and that is that he's merely incompetent and lies to the nation for our own good..
Well, now that's a ringing endorsement if ever there was one, eh?
Why would a D care what an R thinks? Do either of them think before they spout off, or act? (not saying that personally to you). It is like two ex husbands of a beauty queen, staring jealous eyes at each other. America the beautiful ... if you ignore the politicians that is.
Quote from: fencerider on June 08, 2017, 11:27:20 PM
Muller is just starting the investigation of the Trump campaign; no sayin where it will go
No telling where it will go, but most of these investigations don't lead anywhere. They do have political consequences, but not usually enough to change anything. At most someone gets a black eye. Hillary may have survived without her email investigation, but I couldn't be sure of that. It will be interesting, and I'll keep an eye open, but I'm not expecting anything dramatic.
Quote from: SGOS on June 09, 2017, 09:47:27 AM
No telling where it will go, but most of these investigations don't lead anywhere. They do have political consequences, but not usually enough to change anything. At most someone gets a black eye. Hillary may have survived without her email investigation, but I couldn't be sure of that. It will be interesting, and I'll keep an eye open, but I'm not expecting anything dramatic.
The current standard: Have an investigation ... so you can create questions about someone, get intimate details ... but don't prosecute, having them as blackmail victims is far more useful ... useful idiots that is.
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
The current standard: Have an investigation ... so you can create questions about someone, get intimate details ... but don't prosecute, having them as blackmail victims is far more useful ... useful idiots that is.
Yeah, outside of the political sphere, they are not very helpful to the public, other than to distract us from how much isn't getting done.
Quote from: SGOS on June 09, 2017, 01:23:13 PM
Yeah, outside of the political sphere, they are not very helpful to the public, other than to distract us from how much isn't getting done.
Or to distract us from how much
is getting done - that we'd never stand for, if we knew about it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Or to distract us from how much is getting done - that we'd never stand for, if we knew about it.
Sheeple take a crap when they are scared. They don't work for us. Don't worry, at least as lamb chops, you will be both tasty and nutritious, to someone ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on June 09, 2017, 06:48:27 PM
Sheeple take a crap when they are scared. They don't work for us. Don't worry, at least as lamb chops, you will be both tasty and nutritious, to someone ;-)
Yeah - Chthulu...
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Or to distract us from how much is getting done - that we'd never stand for, if we knew about it.
how bout this
last night the house passed a law that guts Dodd-Frank. Mr T will be able to fire the director (warren).
banks will get waivers on capital requirements. And investment advisors will no longer be required to do what is in the best interest of the client.
Quote from: fencerider on June 09, 2017, 08:17:40 PM
how bout this
last night the house passed a law that guts Dodd-Frank. Mr T will be able to fire the director (warren).
banks will get waivers on capital requirements. And investment advisors will no longer be required to do what is in the best interest of the client.
Investment advisors have always screwed their clients .. where have you been? Yes, always watch what Congress is doing when no one is covering them!
There is only one investment advice ... if you have any money to invest, don't try to predict the future ... diversify, diversify and diversify.
Elizabeth Warren sold us out to Hillary ... get rid of her, and Jill Stein too.
Banks have been getting waivers of capital requirements since 2008. What do you think QE is?
QE is a low and slow bbq of our financial system.
it was illegal for about 5 years for advisors to screw over their clients, but now they will get to do it legally
dont need a crystal ball to predict the future is screwed up
I wonder if Muller will get Comey for anything or if he considers him getting fired enough. I am surprised to hear Trump so angry... maybe he realizes the investigation is one step closer to the truth. Maybe somebody told him the only way to make it go away is to release his tax records and show there is nothing there; but also show he's as broke as a joke
I was stunned that Dodd-Frank was thrown out so fast since we are still recovering from the financial meltdown of 2008. Considering what the banks did to the country, either through unlawful conspiracy or complete incompetence, why would leaders want to give them free license to do the same thing over again? And even at that, when Dodd-Frank was explained to me, it was described as watered down bank regulations that didn't have the teeth to curb the thoughtless or harmful effects of the banking system in the first place.
Alan Greenspan was supposedly this genius that should have alerted authorities to the activities of the banks. Of course, no one wants to be alerted during the giddy days of a euphoric financial bubble, so I can understand his reluctance, and his explanation for looking the other way was that he never thought the banks themselves would ever engage in anything so nefarious as selling worthless bonds. Can a financial regulator that is so brilliant that Wall Street hangs on his every word have such a poor understanding of human behavior that he actually believed his own bullshit?
It's as if Congress wants to return to the giddy euphoria the country was in just days before the collapse, when bankers were blowing cocaine out of their ears and partying at the expense of people with a lot less money to blow than they had..
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 09, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
Or to distract us from how much is getting done - that we'd never stand for, if we knew about it.
Yeah, it works in both scenarios. The stuff that isn't getting done is the stuff that isn't stopping the stuff that is getting done.
Quote from: fencerider on June 09, 2017, 11:10:06 PM
QE is a low and slow bbq of our financial system.
it was illegal for about 5 years for advisors to screw over their clients, but now they will get to do it legally
dont need a crystal ball to predict the future is screwed up
I wonder if Muller will get Comey for anything or if he considers him getting fired enough. I am surprised to hear Trump so angry... maybe he realizes the investigation is one step closer to the truth. Maybe somebody told him the only way to make it go away is to release his tax records and show there is nothing there; but also show he's as broke as a joke
Kabuki theater. If they have anything on Comey, they will blackmail him (as I said earlier in this thread). Making Comey dress as a furry and do "donkey love" with a male donkey ... while Bill Clinton and Hillary watch ... is much better than Vince Fostering him, or Seth Riching him.
Yes, Trump is broke, but he has access to power, for many years. That is the way to go. All Federal dollars, including the ones you and I have, are debt instruments. Last time I checked, being in debt meant you were broke. The US has been broke since 1965 - 1971. As Dick Cheney says ... So!
Quote from: SGOS on June 10, 2017, 07:01:25 AM
I was stunned that Dodd-Frank was thrown out so fast since we are still recovering from the financial meltdown of 2008. Considering what the banks did to the country, either through unlawful conspiracy or complete incompetence, why would leaders want to give them free license to do the same thing over again? And even at that, when Dodd-Frank was explained to me, it was described as watered down bank regulations that didn't have the teeth to curb the thoughtless or harmful effects of the banking system in the first place.
Alan Greenspan was supposedly this genius that should have alerted authorities to the activities of the banks. Of course, no one wants to be alerted during the giddy days of a euphoric financial bubble, so I can understand his reluctance, and his explanation for looking the other way was that he never thought the banks themselves would ever engage in anything so nefarious as selling worthless bonds. Can a financial regulator that is so brilliant that Wall Street hangs on his every word have such a poor understanding of human behavior that he actually believed his own bullshit?
It's as if Congress wants to return to the giddy euphoria the country was in just days before the collapse, when bankers were blowing cocaine out of their ears and partying at the expense of people with a lot less money to blow than they had..
Greenspan quote ... "Irrational exuberance" ... Greenspan used to be a gold nut and an Ayn Randist. He is total shit, and will say whatever he is paid to say (same as any other Washington grifter). Yes, the bankers are doing it again, they just want to be sure not to go to jail ... the elimination of Dod-Frank is clear that they have bad stuff on their books, including white collar crime, same as always. Banking is what banking does - Forrest Gump. You will be afraid, very afraid - Yoda. Right now, they say ... we are at a combination of 1997 (Asia), 2000 (dot com) and 2008 (inflated assets, both real estate and financial instruments). They can make money going up and going down. And they control when and how much ... so yes, soon they will make it all go down, on their timing and terms, and make a mint (they run that too, and the Fed). Do you not know that Goldman-Sachs was a white collar crime outfit involved in the runup to the 1929 crash? Kabuki, all of it.
The entire Trump administration is dedicated to the proposition that all rich people should get richer and to hell with the rest. ObamaCare is being gutted for tax benefits, the environmental regulations are being scrapped for tax benefits, and the banking regulations are being scrapped for tax benefits. For the wealthiest.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 18, 2017, 06:35:35 AM
The entire Trump administration is dedicated to the proposition that all rich people should get richer and to hell with the rest. ObamaCare is being gutted for tax benefits, the environmental regulations are being scrapped for tax benefits, and the banking regulations are being scrapped for tax benefits. For the wealthiest.
Yes. So? (Dick Cheney). Don't like it, then get wealthy yourself, otherwise sour grapes in the lucky sperm game.
Comey's testimony was very, uh, stimulating:
Pornhub says Washington D.C. stopped watching porn during Comey testimony
(http://www.newsweek.com/james-comey-pornhub-washington-dc-627548)
The more I think about it the reason congress has opened the flood gates to everyone being able to buy guns is once enough people decide to start open rebellion it gives the military a green light to begin attacking citizens with all their military toys.
There seems to be the notion that we can defeat the military with nothing but small arms. Billy Bub and his buddies with their rifles and handguns would stand no chance against Abrams tanks, F-whatever fighters and hellfire missiles fired from drones from 150,000 feet up could level entire cities in minutes, but your handy AK47 can fend off the best equipped military on earth because... Well.. TV and movies and video games say so..
Somehow I almost expect this scenario to play out once enough people start to realize Trump and his henchmen in congress are hell bent on screwing all of us..it's all a horrible setup..
How's that for your run of the mill conspiracy theory? A complete military takeover of the entire population of the US..
Well, perhaps not..I get just as giddy as the next nut whenever I start going all tin foilish.. lol
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 20, 2017, 07:35:55 PM
Comey's testimony was very, uh, stimulating:
Pornhub says Washington D.C. stopped watching porn during Comey testimony
(http://www.newsweek.com/james-comey-pornhub-washington-dc-627548)
Political porn is like snuff films ... reputations murdered on live TV ...
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 20, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
The more I think about it the reason congress has opened the flood gates to everyone being able to buy guns is once enough people decide to start open rebellion it gives the military a green light to begin attacking citizens with all their military toys.
There seems to be the notion that we can defeat the military with nothing but small arms. Billy Bub and his buddies with their rifles and handguns would stand no chance against Abrams tanks, F-whatever fighters and hellfire missiles fired from drones from 150,000 feet up could level entire cities in minutes, but your handy AK47 can fend off the best equipped military on earth because... Well.. TV and movies and video games say so..
Somehow I almost expect this scenario to play out once enough people start to realize Trump and his henchmen in congress are hell bent on screwing all of us..it's all a horrible setup..
How's that for your run of the mill conspiracy theory? A complete military takeover of the entire population of the US..
Well, perhaps not..I get just as giddy as the next nut whenever I start going all tin foilish.. lol
If the Vietcong can do it, so can we!
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 20, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
The more I think about it the reason congress has opened the flood gates to everyone being able to buy guns is once enough people decide to start open rebellion it gives the military a green light to begin attacking citizens with all their military toys.
There seems to be the notion that we can defeat the military with nothing but small arms. Billy Bub and his buddies with their rifles and handguns would stand no chance against Abrams tanks, F-whatever fighters and hellfire missiles fired from drones from 150,000 feet up could level entire cities in minutes, but your handy AK47 can fend off the best equipped military on earth because... Well.. TV and movies and video games say so..
Somehow I almost expect this scenario to play out once enough people start to realize Trump and his henchmen in congress are hell bent on screwing all of us..it's all a horrible setup..
How's that for your run of the mill conspiracy theory? A complete military takeover of the entire population of the US..
Well, perhaps not..I get just as giddy as the next nut whenever I start going all tin foilish.. lol
Interesting point. You can't have a coup de etat with a rebellion first.
Quote from: Cavebear on June 23, 2017, 04:01:29 AM
Interesting point. You can't have a coup de etat with a rebellion first.
Error ... coups come from disgruntled colonels ... not from privates. Privates create rebellions. Why don't you just go out and kill Republicans? Rhetorical question, don't answer, don't do. Get counseling, if you match the profile of the baseball diamond shooter.
Correction: I meant "without" a rebellion first. Sorry.