https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrXXe8T158o
A Medieval system of law, from a rather puritanical society (Sunni Islam). Not at all attractive to me. But authoritarians always love something like it.
I have a beard. It's not a great beard. I'm thinking of shaving it off.
Had be wondering where he was going until he started telling the fact about it. This is the problem with this kind of group think when it comes to liberties, people who advocate for freedoms, such as the freedom to practice whatever belief system they want, can't recognize what sharia is actually trying to do. its not just a religious belief, but a political system that controls people, and it wants to force this system into the west to replace its current democratic system of politics, justice and order.
People need to become more critical, instead of thinking "We need to listen to what the people from war torn countries say more then our own government", people need to question and actually look at the problems it creates when they bring this kind of system over with them.
Quote from: Munch on May 30, 2017, 01:34:06 PM
Had be wondering where he was going until he started telling the fact about it. This is the problem with this kind of group think when it comes to liberties, people who advocate for freedoms, such as the freedom to practice whatever belief system they want, can't recognize what sharia is actually trying to do. its not just a religious belief, but a political system that controls people, and it wants to force this system into the west to replace its current democratic system of politics, justice and order.
People need to become more critical, instead of thinking "We need to listen to what the people from war torn countries say more then our own government", people need to question and actually look at the problems it creates when they bring this kind of system over with them.
It didn't help that Western government in general, and Western intel in particular, has completely discredited itself, thru corruption and partisan ideology. At this point I would trust Attila the Hun over any Western leader.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/237487.Leadership_Secrets_of_Attila_the_Hun
Quote from: Baruch on May 30, 2017, 07:15:33 PM
It didn't help that Western government in general, and Western intel in particular, has completely discredited itself, thru corruption and partisan ideology. At this point I would trust Attila the Hun over any Western leader.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/237487.Leadership_Secrets_of_Attila_the_Hun
Thats true, infact its more scary when those we elect in and who are meant to uphold that democratic system are almost ready to let it go for 'progressiveness' in allowing a racial ideology to fester in their own lands.
I mean this is how they make it work, sharia is a political system disguised as a religious one, if the government of the country like Sweden, France or Germany try to put a stop to any groups spreading sharia and acting against their own system, these people then make claim its an act against their religious freedoms, causing said governments to back away, and so it spreads even more.
Islam relies on people's ignorance about their ideology.
I do not say faith because it is more of a totalitarian political system than a religious one.
The religious aspect of it is there to command unquestioning obedience.
Let's not forget all the non Muslims in governmental institutions, the academia, the media, whom are defending and promoting Islam all over the western world.
Case in point: ACLU opposes Maine bill criminalizing female genital mutilation (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/aclu-opposes-maine-bill-criminalizing-female-genital-mutilation)
Leave it to PR to outright lie or bend the truth yet again. Before liking his posts, or even taking them remotely seriously, I strongly urge people to do even a 10 second fact check after reading anything he says. Shit, take a 10 second fact check after reading anything anyone says in regards to politics, religion, or hating one another, including me. This is not the first, the second, the third time that he has to be called on sharing outright lies, and it's time for people to stop having to calling him on his lies and rather for people to look up what he is selling before they buy it, because what he is selling is often unfortunately nothing but misinformation and hatred.
I'll go through your blog's source first, then address the blog, to keep things organized.
A. Check your f***ing sources for once in your life.
-The two outlets "reporting" this story are, "The Daily Caller" (A tabloid) and "The Mainely Media". No other outlet, and no legitimate outlet (legitimate as in recognized as an actual news agency, not legitimate in terms of if I agree with their ideology or not), is reporting this story that has now been out for 6 days. Shit, not even FOX News thinks it's a story.
B. CHECK YOUR F****ING SOURCES FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE
-The "Mainely Media" article that is referenced, and which "The Daily Caller" sites as the source for this information, does not appear anywhere on google as an actual establishment, nor is their a link within the article to the site. It for all intents and purposes does not exist in any verifiable way. Forget politics and ideology, lets apply that to anything; science? That shit wouldn't fly. History? That shit wouldn't fly. Selling a car that, "you cant see the car, but trust me this guy I know who is selling it? Great guy. Great car. Just give me the money and it's yours!".
Edit- B2... Jesus Christ, check your Fucking sources.
-The writer of that article was not staff, but rather a reader. That means that he is neither paid to represent them nor contractually obligated to uphold any standard of journalism, assuming tabloids have any such standards (which may be one of the largest assumptions against the odds in my life). Given this and future information in this post, the gut reaction that this guy posted this article because the woman "looked" and sounded Muslim (she is south east Indian most likely) and thus it was "more believable" seems even more likely.
...End edit...
C. There is no public statement from either the ACLU, the ACLU Chapter in Maine, nor from Oamshri Amarasingham opposing the bill
-Checking both the ACLU website and googling Ms. Amarasingham, there is not a single press release or statement from either the organization or her saying the ACLU is opposed to this law. While I was going to break down other issues with this article, I think any rational human being here already sees that there is no reason to do so; the "source" does not exist, the second "source" reporting on it is a tabloid, and neither the ACLU nor the woman in question has made any public statements of the such.
Before I get to the "Jihadwatch" bullshit, I would also like to point out the FGM is, under federal law, a criminal offense with a maximum sentence of 5 years, which I think is too short. So even in this false reality created, the statement that the ACLU is "opposed to banning FGM" is simply bullshit, since they have never made statements opposing the federal ban on the act.
Now, lets get to the really juicy bullshit of "Jihadwatch".
D. FGM is NOT common around the world.
-Contrary to what JW would have you believe, FGM is neither common around the world nor an Islamic practice. Of the 29 countries and 1 region that practice FGM, 27 of them are in the Central African belt (the other 3 being Indonesia, Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan.[1] Alternatively, that is an estimated 200 million women out of the roughly 3.6 billion women in the world. Either way you slice it, that is not even remotely quantifiable as "common". The rate is also declining as education standards and standards of living increase in this region.
E. Female Genital Mutilation is not Islamic
-Female Genital Mutilation has zero mention with in the Quran, only through the Haddiths which only apply to sects that follow them. (I'm not going to quote the full article as would be required to really give you the impact it deserves, but for those interested in one of these cult-like sects, here is a really interesting read from someone who had it performed because of her Bohra Islam faith [http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/genital-cutting-indian-doctor-women-khatna]) . Secondly, the regions that practice this act have been practicing it long before Muhammad was even a sperm in his daddies' testies. It would be like calling Halloween or Easter "Christian", except instead of sexy costumes and eggs you get crippling mutilation to a child. They are both technically Christian holidays, but they are simply rebranded pagan beliefs that predate them by hundreds and thousands of years.
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What does this all mean then?
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For one... it means check your fucking sources. This took me all of 20 seconds to learn it was complete bullshit, yet at least one person here lapped it up without one thought of, "I wonder if this is reality." And why does this matter? Munich I assume is a perfectly rational human being who is not going to read this article, and more like it, and think, "You know what, fuck it! I am going to go teach a Muslim a lesson for bringing this shit into my country!".
The problem is people DO read these articles and think that, or think, "I need to share this on facebook NAO!" and thus start a cycle of hatred based on out-right lies. And let's set aside the fact that you are propagating millions of people believing misinformation and normalizing hatred for your own political agendas and the immorality of that, as these people share these lies, less-hinged people begin to soak them up and then start harassing Muslims on trains and trams, start stabbing people for who stand up for them, start going into Sikh places of worship because they "looked" like Muslims and shooting them, start firebombing mosques and vandalizing Muslim houses and businesses.
I strongly urge you pr to take a look in a mirror today and tell me you don't see the reflection of what you hate staring back at you. And if you don't, then I really urge you to at the very least start broadening your sources and fact checking them before you share them. Because like it or not, you are a proponent of a very hateful and very misleading ideology and, to be held to your own standards, are thus even more then a silent accompanist to terrorism.
These are the victims of your ideology you share, pr...
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Recent graduate, well respected by everyone. Last words? ""Tell everyone on this train I love them."
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_720_noupscale/592b1ed0150000210015bc89.jpeg)
23 years in the U.S. Army, Republican who refused to take contributions in his political campaign, father of 4.
The worst part? These aren't even the two latest victims of the ideology you share.
For everyone else, if you are so interested, look at the slogans Christian spewed and his history. It is deeply, deeply disturbing stuff that I refuse to share, but the worst part is how eerily familiar it sounds.
We cannot keep giving in to this hatred. This has to stop.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation) (under prevalence)
Quote from: pr126 on May 30, 2017, 12:55:14 AM
Fucking christ, not even a minute in and he is linking CAIR to the Muslim Brotherhood and terrorism. How many drugs did you do when you were younger, pr?
Still defending Islam Shiranu? Why?
Quote from: Munch on May 30, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Thats true, infact its more scary when those we elect in and who are meant to uphold that democratic system are almost ready to let it go for 'progressiveness' in allowing a racial ideology to fester in their own lands.
I mean this is how they make it work, sharia is a political system disguised as a religious one, if the government of the country like Sweden, France or Germany try to put a stop to any groups spreading sharia and acting against their own system, these people then make claim its an act against their religious freedoms, causing said governments to back away, and so it spreads even more.
Unfortunately ... multiculturalism and religious tolerance mostly worked, if at all, between people of pretty much the same race and culture ... like between Scottish Presbyterians, Catholic Irish and English Anglicans ... after they got tired killing each other, and y'all agreed that London, not Dublin, not Edinburgh ... was running the show. How many centuries, how many victims do you think it will take, for Indian Hindus and Arab Muslims ... added to this mix, will achieve toleration? SJW - we want idealism, and we want it right now!
Quote from: pr126 on May 31, 2017, 11:13:09 AM
Still defending Islam Shiranu? Why?
So outright lies are acceptable when they are about someone you don't like.
Are you secretly 12?
The left's fascination with Islam is puzzling.
What they fail to understand, is that "There Can Be Only One."
A zero sum game which the left will lose for sure.
Islam Uber Alles. You are welcome to it.
The concept of "COEXIST" in not known in Islam.
Quote from: pr126 on June 01, 2017, 12:10:06 AM
The left's fascination with Islam is puzzling.
What they fail to understand, is that "There Can Be Only One."
A zero sum game which the left will lose for sure.
Islam Uber Alles. You are welcome to it.
The concept of "COEXIST" in not known in Islam.
So outright lies are acceptable when they are about someone you don't like.
Are you secretly 12?
Quote from: Shiranu on June 01, 2017, 12:25:19 AM
So outright lies are acceptable when they are about someone you don't like.
Are you secretly 12?
You are lying to yourself.
Is 1400 years of Islamic history not enough proof for you?
Quote from: pr126 on June 01, 2017, 12:28:45 AM
You are lying to yourself.
Is 1400 years of Islamic history not enough proof for you?
So what your saying is outright lies are acceptable when they are about someone you don't like.
Are you secretly 12?
EDIT - Fuck, I wanted to keep on carrying on with doing to you what you do to everyone who disagrees with you (and shit, even people who agree with you at times) by ignoring everything they say and droning on like a broken record, but this part is too great...
QuoteThe concept of "COEXIST" in not known in Islam.
Followed one post later by...QuoteIs 1400 years of Islamic history not enough proof for you?
You are a special type of stupid, mate.
Infact, I will take it one step further...
I will concede that Islam is the most vile ideology to have ever blotted the Earth, that Muslims are all potential radicals or at the very least silent supporters of terrorism, and that the Koran is completely and utterly filled with hatred and bigotry, on one condition...
...give me one good reason I should take you seriously when you post outright lies and then refuse to have even once owned up to them, over a span of several years.
A single, valid reason (and I'll spice it up even more; a single, valid reason approved by Munich and two other posters of your choosing) that you have an iota of integrity, and I will never call your shit again. I will once a week post an article from Jihadwatch, Breitbart or FuckMuslims.com showing how evil they really are.
So please, tell me one good reason that I should ever take a thing you say seriously, when even when you tell half-truths you bury them under mounds and mounds of horse shit.
Shiranu wrote:Quote...give me one good reason I should take you seriously when you post outright lies and then refuse to have even once owned up to them, over a span of several years.
Could you be more specific?
BTW,
You do not have to take me seriously at all. I do not post for you personally.
It is for the forum.
You have the right to ignore any and all of my posts.
QuoteCould you be more specific?
Literally 12 posts scrolling up, the "Library book burning for Islam in Germany", and about 60+% of your posts that I have posted in, since no one else seems to want to fact check hatred.
QuoteBTW, You do not have to take me seriously at all. I do not post for you personally.
Again, literally 12 posts scrolling up addresses this.
QuoteIt is for the forum.
The irony there is strong, if you read my post.
Shit, you have absolutely nothing to lose...
Shiranu wrote:QuoteShit, you have absolutely nothing to lose...
You are absolutely correct.
I'll be long dead by the time your kind of utopia is realised. But you will have to live it.
Good luck with that.
There's never been and never will be a utopia, human beings will always either self implode or find something to war over.
Quote from: Munch on June 01, 2017, 04:57:43 AM
There's never been and never will be a utopia, human beings will always either self implode or find something to war over.
It is the 60s all over again. But this time, draft all the Millennials ... including close all the colleges. They need the exercise. This would have prevented Rove and Cheney and Clinton.
Quote from: pr126 on June 01, 2017, 04:26:22 AM
Shiranu wrote:
You are absolutely correct.
I'll be long dead by the time your kind of utopia is realised. But you will have to live it.
Good luck with that.
Damn, you are really that scared of admitting you were a liar.
#Sad
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hashtags are another reason why we're never have a utopia.
Quote from: Munch on June 01, 2017, 07:25:00 AM
hashtags are another reason why we're never have a utopia.
#PrayForUtopia #IAmHashtag
Shiranu, please specify the lies. Chapter and verse.
BTW, just because you won't believe it, that does not necessarily makes it a lie.
For example if you tell a religious person that heaven and hell does not exist, he will tell you that is a lie.
Quote from: pr126 on June 01, 2017, 08:08:14 AM
Shiranu, please specify the lies. Chapter and verse.
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I'll give you a hint: it's the long post, pictures, bold text, referenced several times on the last page, hard to miss.
DOJ: CAIR's Unindicted Co-Conspirator Status Legit (https://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#)
The Muslim Mafia (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Muslim-Mafia-Underworld-Conspiring-Islamize-ebook/dp/B01EB23FPO/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1496329522&sr=8-1)
QuoteYou've heard about the courageous young investigators who covertly videotaped officials of ACORN advocating illegal activities. Now, get ready for an undercover expose even more daring: a six-month penetration of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations that resulted in the collection of thousands of pages of smoking-gun documents from this terror-supporting front group for the dangerous, mob-like Muslim Brotherhood. This is what Muslim Mafia delivers. It has all the elements of a top-flight mystery novel, but the situations and conversations are real. The book's frightening allegations are supported by more than 12,000 pages of confidential CAIR documents and hundreds of hours of video captured in an unprecedented undercover operation. This trail of information reveals the seditious and well-funded efforts of the Brotherhood under the nonprofit guise of CAIR to support the international jihad against the U.S. Follow intern Chris Gaubatz as he courageously gains the trust of CAIR's inner sanctum, working undercover as a devoted convert to Islam, and blows the whistle on the entire factory fueling the wave of homegrown terrorism now plaguing America.
Shiranu hun, calling everything he's posted a lie doesn't back the claim so well, might want to specify a little more
Quote from: Munch on June 01, 2017, 11:09:13 AM
Shiranu hun, calling everything he's posted a lie doesn't back the claim so well, might want to specify a little more
-See: post #7 or so on page 1
Do I really need to quote a several paragraph post with multiple pictures from page one on a two page thread since people can't seem to find it, even when it was a one page thread and I said specifically how many posts up it was? Fuck it, I'll just answer my own question and say yes.
Here it is... again...
Quote from: Shiranu on May 31, 2017, 08:41:19 AM
Leave it to PR to outright lie or bend the truth yet again. Before liking his posts, or even taking them remotely seriously, I strongly urge people to do even a 10 second fact check after reading anything he says. Shit, take a 10 second fact check after reading anything anyone says in regards to politics, religion, or hating one another, including me. This is not the first, the second, the third time that he has to be called on sharing outright lies, and it's time for people to stop having to calling him on his lies and rather for people to look up what he is selling before they buy it, because what he is selling is often unfortunately nothing but misinformation and hatred.
I'll go through your blog's source first, then address the blog, to keep things organized.
A. Check your f***ing sources for once in your life.
-The two outlets "reporting" this story are, "The Daily Caller" (A tabloid) and "The Mainely Media". No other outlet, and no legitimate outlet (legitimate as in recognized as an actual news agency, not legitimate in terms of if I agree with their ideology or not), is reporting this story that has now been out for 6 days. Shit, not even FOX News thinks it's a story.
B. CHECK YOUR F****ING SOURCES FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE
-The "Mainely Media" article that is referenced, and which "The Daily Caller" sites as the source for this information, does not appear anywhere on google as an actual establishment, nor is their a link within the article to the site. It for all intents and purposes does not exist in any verifiable way. Forget politics and ideology, lets apply that to anything; science? That shit wouldn't fly. History? That shit wouldn't fly. Selling a car that, "you cant see the car, but trust me this guy I know who is selling it? Great guy. Great car. Just give me the money and it's yours!".
Edit- B2... Jesus Christ, check your Fucking sources.
-The writer of that article was not staff, but rather a reader. That means that he is neither paid to represent them nor contractually obligated to uphold any standard of journalism, assuming tabloids have any such standards (which may be one of the largest assumptions against the odds in my life). Given this and future information in this post, the gut reaction that this guy posted this article because the woman "looked" and sounded Muslim (she is south east Indian most likely) and thus it was "more believable" seems even more likely.
...End edit...
C. There is no public statement from either the ACLU, the ACLU Chapter in Maine, nor from Oamshri Amarasingham opposing the bill
-Checking both the ACLU website and googling Ms. Amarasingham, there is not a single press release or statement from either the organization or her saying the ACLU is opposed to this law. While I was going to break down other issues with this article, I think any rational human being here already sees that there is no reason to do so; the "source" does not exist, the second "source" reporting on it is a tabloid, and neither the ACLU nor the woman in question has made any public statements of the such.
Before I get to the "Jihadwatch" bullshit, I would also like to point out the FGM is, under federal law, a criminal offense with a maximum sentence of 5 years, which I think is too short. So even in this false reality created, the statement that the ACLU is "opposed to banning FGM" is simply bullshit, since they have never made statements opposing the federal ban on the act.
Now, lets get to the really juicy bullshit of "Jihadwatch".
D. FGM is NOT common around the world.
-Contrary to what JW would have you believe, FGM is neither common around the world nor an Islamic practice. Of the 29 countries and 1 region that practice FGM, 27 of them are in the Central African belt (the other 3 being Indonesia, Yemen and Iraqi Kurdistan.[1] Alternatively, that is an estimated 200 million women out of the roughly 3.6 billion women in the world. Either way you slice it, that is not even remotely quantifiable as "common". The rate is also declining as education standards and standards of living increase in this region.
E. Female Genital Mutilation is not Islamic
-Female Genital Mutilation has zero mention with in the Quran, only through the Haddiths which only apply to sects that follow them. (I'm not going to quote the full article as would be required to really give you the impact it deserves, but for those interested in one of these cult-like sects, here is a really interesting read from someone who had it performed because of her Bohra Islam faith [http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/genital-cutting-indian-doctor-women-khatna]) . Secondly, the regions that practice this act have been practicing it long before Muhammad was even a sperm in his daddies' testies. It would be like calling Halloween or Easter "Christian", except instead of sexy costumes and eggs you get crippling mutilation to a child. They are both technically Christian holidays, but they are simply rebranded pagan beliefs that predate them by hundreds and thousands of years.
---------------------------------
What does this all mean then?
---------------------------------
For one... it means check your fucking sources. This took me all of 20 seconds to learn it was complete bullshit, yet at least one person here lapped it up without one thought of, "I wonder if this is reality." And why does this matter? Munich I assume is a perfectly rational human being who is not going to read this article, and more like it, and think, "You know what, fuck it! I am going to go teach a Muslim a lesson for bringing this shit into my country!".
The problem is people DO read these articles and think that, or think, "I need to share this on facebook NAO!" and thus start a cycle of hatred based on out-right lies. And let's set aside the fact that you are propagating millions of people believing misinformation and normalizing hatred for your own political agendas and the immorality of that, as these people share these lies, less-hinged people begin to soak them up and then start harassing Muslims on trains and trams, start stabbing people for who stand up for them, start going into Sikh places of worship because they "looked" like Muslims and shooting them, start firebombing mosques and vandalizing Muslim houses and businesses.
I strongly urge you pr to take a look in a mirror today and tell me you don't see the reflection of what you hate staring back at you. And if you don't, then I really urge you to at the very least start broadening your sources and fact checking them before you share them. Because like it or not, you are a proponent of a very hateful and very misleading ideology and, to be held to your own standards, are thus even more then a silent accompanist to terrorism.
These are the victims of your ideology you share, pr...
(https://1k95i3bqziq3bboq03r87f8x-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DA2W-asXUAADewd-718x960.png)
Recent graduate, well respected by everyone. Last words? ""Tell everyone on this train I love them."
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_720_noupscale/592b1ed0150000210015bc89.jpeg)
23 years in the U.S. Army, Republican who refused to take contributions in his political campaign, father of 4.
The worst part? These aren't even the two latest victims of the ideology you share.
For everyone else, if you are so interested, look at the slogans Christian spewed and his history. It is deeply, deeply disturbing stuff that I refuse to share, but the worst part is how eerily familiar it sounds.
We cannot keep giving in to this hatred. This has to stop.
[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation) (under prevalence)
Quote from: pr126 on June 01, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
DOJ: CAIR's Unindicted Co-Conspirator Status Legit (https://www.investigativeproject.org/1854/doj-cairs-unindicted-co-conspirator-status-legit#)
The Muslim Mafia (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Muslim-Mafia-Underworld-Conspiring-Islamize-ebook/dp/B01EB23FPO/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1496329522&sr=8-1)
Irish Mafia, Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia ... Jewish Mafia ... why so prejudiced?
Having any luck getting those EVIL MOOSLAMS out from under your bed, PR?
My post #7 is not a lie, it is an onservation, and an opinion:
QuoteIslam relies on people's ignorance about their ideology.
I do not say faith because it is more of a totalitarian political system than a religious one.
The religious aspect of it is there to command unquestioning obedience.
Let's not forget all the non Muslims in governmental institutions, the academia, the media, whom are defending and promoting Islam all over the western world.
Case in point: ACLU opposes Maine bill criminalizing female genital mutilation
Feel free to refute any of it point by point.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on June 01, 2017, 11:21:29 PM
Having any luck getting those EVIL MOOSLAMS out from under your bed, PR?
Tragic, isn't it. That's islamophobia for you.
There is hope I think. I am getting treatment.
@ ShiranuChecking my sources:1: FGM is Islamic: Islamic Law on Female Circumcision (http://answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html)
Quote4.3 Circumcision is obligatory (O: for both men and women. For men it consists of removing the prepuce from the penis, and for women, removing the prepuce (Ar. Bazr) of the clitoris (n: not the clitoris itself, as some mistakenly assert). (A: Hanbalis hold that circumcision of women is not obligatory but sunna, while Hanafis consider it a mere courtesy to the husband.)"
The Arabic word bazr does not mean "prepuce of the clitoris", it means the clitoris itself (cf. the entry in the Arabic-English Dictionary). The deceptive translation by Nuh Hah Mim Keller, made for Western consumption, obscures the Shafi’i law, given by ‘Umdat al-Salik, that circumcision of girls by excision of the clitoris is mandatory. This particular form of female circumcision is widely practiced in Egypt, where the Shafi’i school of Sunni law is followed.
2: FGM is widespread from Morocco to the Fillipines.
Don't believe everything your Muslim friends tell you.
They are obligated to lie to the unbeliever to defend Islam. It is called takiyya (http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx)
When checking sources, ALWAYS check the Muslim sources, Quran, Hadiths, Sirat, Sharia Laws.QuoteFor one... it means check your fucking sources. This took me all of 20 seconds to learn it was complete bullshit, yet at least one person here lapped it up without one thought of, "I wonder if this is reality." And why does this matter?
All of 20 seconds to find
misinformation.
As I have said in my post #7: Islam relies on people's ignorance about their ideology.
Easy job when people prefer to stay ignorant.
All the Muslim texts are available on the net, if one could be bothered. Or remotely interested.
Muslims rely on it that you rather didn't.
Shiranu, ease off with your ad hominems. Your animosity is getting the better of you.
I feel like people need to be reminded of this, after all this is an atheist forum, so often we've criticized other religions for their practices and beliefs, like Christianity or lesser wide spread cults, how their indoctrinating and people who believe in them ate followers of make believe and some are just deplorable.
Yet when Islam comes into it, there seems to be a stance here were some of us regard criticism of Islam to be racist. Perhaps that stems from the fact that Islam is so heavily and fundamentally engrained in the society of people from the middle east that any criticism of their faith is like making criticism of their skintone.
Seriously, try and separate the religion from the people and maybe your not be wanting to regard people like PR so harshly. And yes, even moderate Muslims are still just as indoctrinated by said cult. And no, it isn't racist to call out Islam for being a disgusting set of beliefs and theocracy
Unfortunately it is very difficult to separate people from their religions.
Without people there are no religions / ideologies / cults.
But there are ideologies that are destructive to society. Islam is one of those.
Quote from: Munch on June 02, 2017, 05:30:30 AM
I feel like people need to be reminded of this, after all this is an atheist forum, so often we've criticized other religions for their practices and beliefs, like Christianity or lesser wide spread cults, how their indoctrinating and people who believe in them ate followers of make believe and some are just deplorable.
Yet when Islam comes into it, there seems to be a stance here were some of us regard criticism of Islam to be racist. Perhaps that stems from the fact that Islam is so heavily and fundamentally engrained in the society of people from the middle east that any criticism of their faith is like making criticism of their skintone.
Seriously, try and separate the religion from the people and maybe your not be wanting to regard people like PR so harshly. And yes, even moderate Muslims are still just as indoctrinated by said cult. And no, it isn't racist to call out Islam for being a disgusting set of beliefs and theocracy
SJW aka Cultural Marxism aka Leftists ... want to destroy society, particularly Western society. So of course they are OK with Muslim terrorism, even if they aren't OK with Islam. They have a perfect ideal, that requires destruction of all existing human relationships (which are shitty). Like curing a sick person by killing them. Destroy parenting, destroy marriage (no, gays aren't a part of this, they also want stable supporting relationships), destroy religious, political and business institutions. Ultimately like ISIS, it will be necessary to destroy all culture, like destroying archeological items and sites and paintings, music, statues etc. People need to realize that Rousseau was an evil POS ... Lenin was just copying him.
QuoteMy post #7 is not a lie...
Holy fuck, you are actually illiterate.
QuoteAll of 20 seconds to find misinformation.
Without actually posting any sources. I can do that to.
Quote"Pr likes to sleep with Muslim boys."
Well, I just quoted it, so it must be true.
QuoteYet when Islam comes into it, there seems to be a stance here were some of us regard criticism of Islam to be racist.
No scheisskopf, it's when people share articles that have literally ZERO reality to them and then refuse to take an iota of responsibility for it when they are called on it that you and one or two other people pull this game of, "Suddenly we are illiterate and have the mental capacity of a three year old!" and then start insinuating that everyone disagrees with you because they are brainwashed, idiot facists. That is what happens.
Get the fuck out of here with, "Hur dur, when Christianity..." ... do you think if any fucking topic was brought up where there were zero sources linked, no one would call them on that?
The fuck is wrong with you two?
Quote from: Shiranu on June 02, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
Holy fuck, you are actually illiterate.
Without actually posting any sources. I can do that to.
Well, I just quoted it, so it must be true.
No scheisskopf, it's when people share articles that have literally ZERO reality to them and then refuse to take an iota of responsibility for it when they are called on it that you and one or two other people pull this game of, "Suddenly we are illiterate and have the mental capacity of a three year old!" and then start insinuating that everyone disagrees with you because they are brainwashed, idiot facists. That is what happens.
Get the fuck out of here with, "Hur dur, when Christianity..." ... do you think if any fucking topic was brought up where there were zero sources linked, no one would call them on that?
The fuck is wrong with you two?
You are taking yourself to seriously.
Take anvalium to calm you down.
Again, slow down with the ad hominems.
BTW, it is only you who is throwing a tantrum here. Why is that?
Maybe because I'm the only trying to hold a serious conversation about someone chronically spewing lies to stir fear and hatred, and being met with arguments fit for a toddler.
Assuming you see this post and don't have elective illiteracy again, you might be able to see why that would be so frustrating.
Also, only one of those was an ad hom, the rest were just insults with no actual bearing to the article and just simple vents of annoyance.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 02, 2017, 10:53:03 AM
Maybe because I'm the only trying to hold a serious conversation about someone chronically spewing lies to stir fear and hatred, and being met with arguments fit for a toddler.
Assuming you see this post and don't have elective illiteracy again, you might be able to see why that would be so frustrating.
Also, only one of those was an ad hom, the rest were just insults with no actual bearing to the article and just simple vents of annoyance.
I think you should take a couple of days off. To cool down.
So what do you think about FGM not being islamic?
The Sharia says yes, it is islamic. I did provide a link.
And that FGM is all over the planet where ever Muslims live.
The problem is that you are dismissing a lot of information as lies, because they contradict your preconcieved ideas.
That is closed mindednes and willful ignorance.
No way to win an argument.
The last person to ask about Islam is a Muslim.
Think about that.
QuoteThe problem is that you are dismissing a lot of information as lies, because they contradict your preconcieved ideas.
No, my problem is I am dismissing information that contradicts what actual research says, and you can't accept that.
My problem is that people here buy articles like you posted about Islam, about Christians, about republicans, about democrats without spending 10 second to see if they even ever happened.
My problem is this stupidity has real, tangible consequences that no one wants to take responsibility for.
But Real News (TM) comes from shitty academics (agents of the State), advertising by corporations (we know they have your good at heart) or propaganda by the State (reeee). I am starting to admire the Kekistanis. When I was a little boy, I had a toy rubber frog, who I called "froggy". Little did I know it was an ancient holy relic from Kekistan ;-))
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Shiranu wrote:QuoteMy problem is this stupidity has real, tangible consequences that no one wants to take responsibility for.
People cannot think for themselves? They want your opinion? No.
Shiranu, people simply don't give a flying fuck what you or I think.
Deal with it.
Quote from: pr126 on June 02, 2017, 01:49:57 PM
Shiranu wrote:
People cannot think for themselves? They want your opinion? No.
Shiranu, people simply don't give a flying fuck what you or I think.
Deal with it.
And it all continues to fly right above your head. That, or you truly do have no sense of personal accountability.
It's not about you, pal. Never has been. I'm sorry I ever gave you that idea.
People DO give a shit about the hatred you spread. Or were those murdered in your ideologies name all just faces on the internet and not real people?
People can think for themselves, so your lies to influence them towards hate are justified? I ask again, the Fuck is wong with you two?
People can think for themselves, so why do you give a shit about Islam? Just deal with it.
Don't think that just because everyone knows you as a sheister, that is the norm for everyone else. It's just you.
Do you two really not see the irony of telling people not to express themselves on a public forum?
Quote from: pr126 on June 02, 2017, 01:45:01 AM
My post #7 is not a lie, it is an onservation, and an opinion:
Feel free to refute any of it point by point.
Perhaps you are not worth the time. Ever consider that?
I'm not even sure what is to refute in his 7th post since my multi-paragraph rebuttal of his lie, which I have now posted twice, was before his 3rd or fourth.
Shiranu wrote:QuotePeople can think for themselves, so your lies to influence them towards hate are justified? I ask again, the Fuck is wong with you two?
Hate you say? Have you read the Quran? The Hadiths? Sirat?
Where do you think jihadist get their ideas from?
What is wrong with me?
I have never had the leftist brainwashing sessions that is prevalent in all western education system.
But tell me again, is FGM Islamic or not?
Since this is only a Pr126 - Shiranu flame ... I would be happy to provide the holy Kekistani scriptures in this thread ... I gave an edit to reply 44 in this string, to show you I can ;-) Maybe both of you can pull a Rumpelstiltskin? I think the general sense of outrage has gone too far. I will still ... comment satirically, but with better humor, less bitterness.
Quote from: Baruch on June 01, 2017, 12:58:24 PM
Irish Mafia, Italian Mafia, Russian Mafia ... Jewish Mafia ... why so prejudiced?
Because those gangsters say "Your money OR your life", while these [Muslim Mafia] say "Your money AND your life".
Quote from: pr126 on June 04, 2017, 06:13:09 AM
Because those gangsters say "Your money OR your life", while these [Muslim Mafia] say "Your money AND your life".
True. Fortunately most criminals are just stupid, not suicidal. See my response under "London Terror Attack". Basically nobody should be allowed to travel for any reason, outside their home country (to protect the children of course). Deport all visitors, because there are no legitimate visitors. Then Muslim crimes, stay in Muslim countries ... except for the ones where you already gave them citizenship. That is your own problem. But to be fair, you have to ban all international travel ... basically everyone is presume guilty of terrorism, without trial ... and why would you allow a terrorist to get a visa? If the tourist industry doesn't like that, jail them for terrorism support. If the employers of foreign labor don't like that, jail them for terrorism support. Jailing whole governments for terrorist support (and you know they do) ... is harder.
PR believes that Islam is actual voodoo that turns you into a zombie even worse than a Christian religious robot. He believes that the Quran is a book that is warded to resist change, and that any attempt to do so will cause the ink to run from its pages and leave the words unsullied.
That's right. He believes in actual magic.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 05, 2017, 11:42:12 PM
PR believes that Islam is actual voodoo that turns you into a zombie even worse than a Christian religious robot. He believes that the Quran is a book that is warded to resist change, and that any attempt to do so will cause the ink to run from its pages and leave the words unsullied.
That's right. He believes in actual magic.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
Let me know when a Christian religious robot is engaging in random mass murder in the name of Jesus - world wide.
(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg)
Christian religious robots? not that many.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 05, 2017, 11:42:12 PM
PR believes that Islam is actual voodoo that turns you into a zombie even worse than a Christian religious robot. He believes that the Quran is a book that is warded to resist change, and that any attempt to do so will cause the ink to run from its pages and leave the words unsullied.
That's right. He believes in actual magic.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
The magic of which you speak, is the real magic. The power of demigods to believe, whether connected to any facts or not. Then to actually modify themselves and their environment based on these fictions (see patriotism). The ability of memes (mostly thanks to writing) to propagate on their own from person to person into great outbreaks of mementos. Reality is the fiction we believe, not Plato's ass. You have seen what Mentos do to Cola, right? Reeeeeeee
Quote from: pr126 on June 06, 2017, 03:29:51 AM
Let me know when a Christian religious robot is engaging in random mass murder in the name of Jesus - world wide.
(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/TROP.jpg)
Christian religious robots? not that many.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
2 billion of them, breathing in my oxygen, polluting with CO2 and farts .. just stop already, Christians! Remember, all Europeans (Christian or not) are Kurgan barbarians, more or less. Like the Semitic barbarians, just less hot ;-) Ice people with souls of ice. To free my Kekistan, we must destroy the EU and their Nato running dogs. Kek-exit my fellow simple meme farmers.
Sharia is Islamic Law the same way Canon Law is Christian Law. I suppose there is a term for Hindu and Buddhist laws too. My point is that the various silly religious laws are true only in themselves to their followers and can be stretched ex extremis absurdis by anyone.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on June 05, 2017, 11:42:12 PM
PR believes that Islam is actual voodoo that turns you into a zombie even worse than a Christian religious robot. He believes that the Quran is a book that is warded to resist change, and that any attempt to do so will cause the ink to run from its pages and leave the words unsullied.
That's right. He believes in actual magic.
Explains rather a lot, doesn't it?
Come on now hakurei, whatever PR feels about it, there is no denying the ever present fact that the religion of
terrorism peace has directly effected the culture of people living in its theocracy, and the only reason country's who were many Christian no longer execute people for not following it's faith is because those countries evolved while Islamic countries have yet to.
Take this for example, I know people don't like the guy, but get past the presenter and read what these people are saying about gay Muslims getting married.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D6OZVPIQkQU
The only way to break people away from this kind of belief in which they think executing gays is acceptable is to confront them on ground level and tell them what they believe is a vile system that only teaches hate. Being Islamic is not what a person is, anymore then being Christian, both are belief systems that anyone on this forum can attest to being able to break away from.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 08:13:26 AM
Sharia is Islamic Law the same way Canon Law is Christian Law. I suppose there is a term for Hindu and Buddhist laws too. My point is that the various silly religious laws are true only in themselves to their followers and can be stretched ex extremis absurdis by anyone.
Same as civil law ... the law is blind .. .the law is an ass ... are some to the things lawyers say about their own profession.
Sharia is Sunni, there are four schools of law, and the most extreme sect of the most extreme school ... is Salafism. Basically, since Muhammad didn't drive a car to work, all cars are verboten. Idolatry of what may well be a make believe person (Muhammad created from the Quran according to some scholars). Jews do the same thing with Moses, Christians with Jesus, or Paul or Constantine.
It would be best if adherents to various religions broke free of the tyranny of the fanatics, but that is a lot easier in nations with democratic laws and habits. So what would YOU do in a theocracy when your family's lives were threatened. Go all Rambo and get them all killed (or worse) or settle in to keep them alive?
You KNOW the answer...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 14, 2017, 01:06:12 PM
It would be best if adherents to various religions broke free of the tyranny of the fanatics, but that is a lot easier in nations with democratic laws and habits. So what would YOU do in a theocracy when your family's lives were threatened. Go all Rambo and get them all killed (or worse) or settle in to keep them alive?
You KNOW the answer...
Per Camus, isn't the only reasonable way to deal with the absurdity of human existence ... suicide?
Quote from: Baruch on July 14, 2017, 12:58:20 PM
Same as civil law ... the law is blind .. .the law is an ass ... are some to the things lawyers say about their own profession.
Sharia is Sunni, there are four schools of law, and the most extreme sect of the most extreme school ... is Salafism. Basically, since Muhammad didn't drive a car to work, all cars are verboten. Idolatry of what may well be a make believe person (Muhammad created from the Quran according to some scholars). Jews do the same thing with Moses, Christians with Jesus, or Paul or Constantine.
Way I see these different secs of Islam I think of in the same way as the different mafia groups around the world. They all operate in their own way, but the idea is pretty much the same concept