"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals.But Why has he created them then? 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
"Thou shalt not kill." 20:13
Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
It Really Bring Peace Upon The World ... A Last Statement Just To Contradict What I Just Said ...
"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" - Matthew 10:34 ...
That's one Peaceful God Right There ...
Right you are.
Feel free to make an intro thread. As a newby with les than ten Posts, that's actually THE only one you are supposed to make.
Welcome.
Because god is a made up character by desert dwellers who lived in a shit part of the world and were very bitter at just about everything, so their made up sky daddy reflected that bitterness.
Happy Easter :D
I am one of the pet theists here. And I can testify that G-d is a monster, worse than Cthulhu. And he hates chocolate bunny eaters most of all .. bwahaha.
I've always assumed that to be true, most seasons that are based on something religious has a split between the faith worship, and the associated holiday tradition, such as how much people of faith hate all the decorations and santa saying it detracts from the worship of their jesus.
I imagine the bunny does the same for easter.
God this, Jesus that....
Hint: It's all made up. It's NOT REAL.
Quote from: Munch on April 16, 2017, 08:21:30 AM
I've always assumed that to be true, most seasons that are based on something religious has a split between the faith worship, and the associated holiday tradition, such as how much people of faith hate all the decorations and santa saying it detracts from the worship of their jesus.
I imagine the bunny does the same for easter.
Christians have no room to complain, seeing as they stole the holidays from pagans in the first place. Don't think they're not trying to do the same with Halloween and Thanksgiving.
Quote from: Blackleaf on April 16, 2017, 10:01:36 AM
Christians have no room to complain, seeing as they stole the holidays from pagans in the first place. Don't think they're not trying to do the same with Halloween and Thanksgiving.
aye, I've regarded most holidays to be a long standing cluster of concepts down the generations thrown together into what we know now, so any complaint from faith worshipers just seems even more ridiculous when it was their previous ancestors who instilled those concepts to begin with.
Quote from: Atheon on April 16, 2017, 08:57:26 AM
God this, Jesus that....
Hint: It's all made up. It's NOT REAL.
But you bite the ears off a chocolate bunny, am I right? Cannibal ;-)
Quote from: Munch on April 16, 2017, 10:10:47 AM
aye, I've regarded most holidays to be a long standing cluster of concepts down the generations thrown together into what we know now, so any complaint from faith worshipers just seems even more ridiculous when it was their previous ancestors who instilled those concepts to begin with.
Catholics ... pagans in disguise
Protestants ... bad Catholics
Mormons ... bad Protestants
Wonder why I am more sympathetic to Jews?
Jehovah's Witnesses…bad Mormons?
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 16, 2017, 02:46:35 PM
Jehovah's Witnesses…bad Mormons?
Yes, in their original form ... only 140,000 saved. Also they are rumored to abuse their families (not usually true of most Mormons). Most Mormons aren't polygamists either, so I am not counting that against them.
Not to pick on religions ... but with Islam, even the Quran complains about Arabs being non-believing ... and about their hypocrisy. As I see it, as originally intended, Arab culture was chaotic and double dealing and vice ridden. Muhammad tried to establish order, establish integrity, and cut down on the vice (mostly drinking, gambling, girl infanticide, fortune telling). All the Abrahamic faiths originally supported slavery of course.
Quote from: TrueCreed on April 15, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals.But Why has he created them then? 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
"Thou shalt not kill." 20:13
Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
It Really Bring Peace Upon The World ... A Last Statement Just To Contradict What I Just Said ...
"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" - Matthew 10:34 ...
That's one Peaceful God Right There ...
Nice satire on the bible!
You want some Logic? Your wish is my command...
Thou shalt go out and buy lots of Chinese made crap every December and leave a half naked fake baby on your front lawn in the dead of winter along with a bunch of fake homeless people. And don't forget all the sparkly shit..gotta have the sparkly shit! -God
Quote from: TrueCreed on April 15, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
This always struck me as particularly problematic when I was still a theist.
When Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his son, Abraham has no problem accepting that it is indeed Yahweh. As if, asking him to kill his own son is completely within Yahweh's nature, as Abraham understand it.
Yet, when asking a modern Christian if god told them to kill their child, they would not do it, Saying instead, that god would not do that, it is not in his nature. But it was in his nature at one time, so, either the 'unchanging god' changed his nature, or it is still in his nature.
Many modern Christians say they would believe that it is a demon telling them to kill their child and refuse.
Then why didn't Abraham do the same thing?
Quote from: Simon Moon on April 17, 2017, 04:09:54 PM
This always struck me as particularly problematic when I was still a theist.
When Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his son, Abraham has no problem accepting that it is indeed Yahweh. As if, asking him to kill his own son is completely within Yahweh's nature, as Abraham understand it.
Yet, when asking a modern Christian if god told them to kill their child, they would not do it, Saying instead, that god would not do that, it is not in his nature. But it was in his nature at one time, so, either the 'unchanging god' changed his nature, or it is still in his nature.
Many modern Christians say they would believe that it is a demon telling them to kill their child and refuse.
Then why didn't Abraham do the same thing?
!. Abraham and Isaac are fictional characters
2. The character of Abraham and Isaac are an Iron Age version of a Bronze Age society ... and nomad ... not urban
3. In traditional interpretation, Abraham is being tested for blind obedience ... something also prominent in Islam
4. The Jesus of Christianity is an entirely different take on Isaac ... a meta-commentary on this story
5. In the Jesus story, Abraham is G-d and Isaac is Jesus
6. In this case, it is a test of G-d and Jesus, not Abraham and Isaac
7. The Christian believer is asked to put themselves in the place of Isaac ... in Judaism and Islam, one is put into the position of Abraham
8. So there are very real differences between Christian and Semitic culture
9. Today we live in a post-Christian society, not a never-Christian society
10. Christians understand that G-d doesn't seek blind obedience, but compassion
So is the point Jewish/Islamic vs Christian, or ME vs Western? Ultimately it comes down to cultural preference. Personally I straddle both.
Isaac means to laugh. Ishmael means God listens. Perhaps you have to be willing to sacrifice your need for entertainment in order to have a serious relationship with God?
Doesn't anybody look beyond the surface of these things anymore? Especially ancient documents written during a time when poetry and metaphor was an art form. When the king could kill you for speaking the truth, ciphers and codes were developed.
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 17, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Isaac means to laugh. Ishmael means God listens. Perhaps you have to be willing to sacrifice your need for entertainment in order to have a serious relationship with God?
Doesn't anybody look beyond the surface of these things anymore? Especially ancient documents written during a time when poetry and metaphor was an art form. When the king could kill you for speaking the truth, ciphers and codes were developed.
Isaac's name came from his mother laughing at the idea of becoming pregnant at her old age. That's it. There is no deep, hidden meaning in the story.
Quote from: Blackleaf on April 17, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Isaac's name came from his mother laughing at the idea of becoming pregnant at her old age. That's it. There is no deep, hidden meaning in the story.
There is if it's completely made up. Imho the Bible has far more value as a spiritual document/cipher than it does as a historical document.
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 17, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Isaac means to laugh. Ishmael means God listens. Perhaps you have to be willing to sacrifice your need for entertainment in order to have a serious relationship with God?
Doesn't anybody look beyond the surface of these things anymore? Especially ancient documents written during a time when poetry and metaphor was an art form. When the king could kill you for speaking the truth, ciphers and codes were developed.
Ananta, this is from the Metaphysical Bible Dictionary, by Charles Fillmore. (And he is a fully Western 'christian' of the Truth mold)
Isaac, I'-saac (Heb.)--He (God) laughs; He will laugh; laughter; joy; singing; leaping.
Son of Abraham and Sarah (Gen. 18:9-15; 21:1-7).
Metaphysical. Divine sonship. Isaac, meaning laughter, signifies the joy of the new birth and the
new life in Christ, which is the spiritual consciousness of relationship to God the Father. Man rejoices
greatly in his privilege of expressing as the son of God.
According to the text, Isaac was born after Sarah was past the age for bringing forth. Besides,
she was barren, so that there was no possibility of his conception under the natural course of things. So
we, when born of Spirit, are born, "not... of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." The
natural man has no power to bring forth "the new man" in Christ Jesus. So Hagar's son could not be the
chosen seed and heir. The new man is a "new creature," begotten by the divine seed, the Word. An
entirely new state of consciousness is formed, fulfilling the admonition, let "Christ be formed in you."
When Isaac was weaned, Ishmael, Hagar's son, mocked him. This is the experience of every one
in the new birth. The thoughts that are the fruit of the "mind of the flesh" rise up within and mock the
new man. Here the overcomer has a work to do. Hagar, the bondmaid and her son must be cast out.
Abraham grieves at this. So we sometimes grieve over giving up the fruits that we have brought forth in
the natural-man consciousness.
Isaac was not noted for his achievements; he represents the serenity, peace, and joy that man has
when he accepts spiritual things as real, and lives "as seeing him who is invisible."
At one time in my life I was a frequent user of this book and I also found I really liked Fillmore and his message. But I also found it was like my favorite chocolate--very sweet and easy to consume; but it has no lasting nutrition.
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 17, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
There is if it's completely made up. Imho the Bible has far more value as a spiritual document/cipher than it does as a historical document.
History = government approved Matrix ... not really that important to me, compared the the creative minds of others now and long ago.
logic??? hmmm
Noah's flood- god having a temper tantrum
Lot was just a sick parent. Even to this day people will still sell their baby girl to a brothel for a little money to buy food.
I don't bite off the ears of chocolate bunnies. I break off their head at the neck...
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 16, 2017, 02:46:35 PM
Jehovah's Witnesses…bad Mormons?
Well, the Russians certainly seem to think the JWs are bad...
Top Russian Court Bans Jehovah's Witnesses, Claiming 'Extremist Activities' (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/20/524906703/top-russian-court-bans-jehovah-s-witnesses-under-anti-extremism-law)
Good for them!
Quote from: Simon Moon on April 17, 2017, 04:09:54 PM
This always struck me as particularly problematic when I was still a theist.
When Yahweh tells Abraham to sacrifice his son, Abraham has no problem accepting that it is indeed Yahweh. As if, asking him to kill his own son is completely within Yahweh's nature, as Abraham understand it.
Yet, when asking a modern Christian if god told them to kill their child, they would not do it, Saying instead, that god would not do that, it is not in his nature. But it was in his nature at one time, so, either the 'unchanging god' changed his nature, or it is still in his nature.
Many modern Christians say they would believe that it is a demon telling them to kill their child and refuse.
Then why didn't Abraham do the same thing?
The Lord works in mysterious ways. For all Abraham knew, his child may have grown up to be the worst human being ever, so maybe God was saying he had to die for that reason perhaps.
Look at the worldwide flood. Obviously God had no problem drowning children who were probably going to grow up to be shitty perverts and idol worshippers like their parents.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 20, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
Well, the Russians certainly seem to think the JWs are bad...
Top Russian Court Bans Jehovah's Witnesses, Claiming 'Extremist Activities' (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/04/20/524906703/top-russian-court-bans-jehovah-s-witnesses-under-anti-extremism-law)
Good for them!
I agree. Those extremist Jehovah's Witnesses, and those extremist homosexuals, and those extremist atheists need to be dealt with.
'Of course, every religion has the right to criticize other faiths, but that should be done in a non-insulting manner, especially if you are talking about the faith of the majority.'
You are happy that they are getting in trouble for insulting the religion of the majority, on a site called atheistforums.com? My apologies if you were being sarcastic.
I suspect much of biblical names are defined after the fact. To fit the tales. Everytime I see a documentary that actually looks at biblical claims, the seem reverse-engineered in bad translation by what adherents want to hear.
Quote from: Cavebear on April 21, 2017, 04:48:54 AM
I suspect much of biblical names are defined after the fact. To fit the tales. Everytime I see a documentary that actually looks at biblical claims, the seem reverse-engineered in bad translation by what adherents want to hear.
The names in Genesis are built the Semitic way. But that doesn't mean the characters are historical. English names derived from the Bible, are reverse engineered to match human inertia, or to express a religious POV. That is how I named my daughter .. and of course now it is easy to pick a name based on its meaning.
Quote from: TrueCreed on April 15, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
"I will destroy ... both man and beast."
God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals.But Why has he created them then? 7:4
"All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
"Thou shalt not kill." 20:13
Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
It Really Bring Peace Upon The World ... A Last Statement Just To Contradict What I Just Said ...
"I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" - Matthew 10:34 ...
That's one Peaceful God Right There ...
Logic???
Maybe righteousness and what you understand to be morality are two different things.
I believe Christmas Day should be celebrated by abstinence, fasting, and day long meditation in 24 hour solitude without the encumbrance of family or loved ones.
Quote from: SGOS on June 23, 2017, 09:19:43 AM
I believe Christmas Day should be celebrated by abstinence, fasting, and day long meditation in 24 hour solitude without the encumbrance of family or loved ones.
Per the prior quote by Drich of TrueCreed ... really reaching here ... everyone should have to go into the Sinai desert for 40 years of purgatory.
Quote from: Drich0150 on June 23, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Maybe righteousness and what you understand to be morality are two different things.
Riiiight. Like demanding a womans hand be cut off for rushing to save her husband life? Like demanding that babies be killed and little girls be raped? Yeah,,,your god is one righteous piece of shit all right.
I hated that band... Creed.... *shudders*....
Quote from: Ananta Shesha on April 17, 2017, 07:54:03 PM
Isaac means to laugh. Ishmael means God listens.
Ishmael was born first so that means god listens and then he laughs.
I think we should have Neptune Day somewhere around the middle of June. Everyone must pay hommage by going swimming
Quote from: fencerider on June 25, 2017, 01:45:28 AM
Ishmael was born first so that means god listens and then he laughs.
I think we should have Neptune Day somewhere around the middle of June. Everyone must pay hommage by going swimming
Don't try this at home if you are named Ulysses (or Grant).
My ex is a librarian. On a few occasions she applied for a grant. Sometimes she was given a grant. I have no idea why I'm posting this.
Quote from: SGOS on June 25, 2017, 08:17:33 AM
My ex is a librarian. On a few occasions she applied for a grant. Sometimes she was given a grant. I have no idea why I'm posting this.
Who is buried in grants tomb? All the grants what were never approved ;-))
Quote from: TrueCreed on April 15, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
That's one Peaceful God Right There ...
Yeah...peaceful...
Quote from: Jeremiah 25:33And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 26, 2017, 05:02:21 PM
Yeah...peaceful...
Unfortunately the vision of Jeremiah did happen, and continues to happen. It is debatable if G-d wants this or not ... I tend to consider G-d to be more the irresponsible type than the evil type. Armageddon is based on the earliest battle we have details about .. between Pharaoh Thutmose and the Canaanites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(15th_century_BC)
Quote from: SGOS on June 23, 2017, 09:19:43 AM
I believe Christmas Day should be celebrated by abstinence, fasting, and day long meditation in 24 hour solitude without the encumbrance of family or loved ones.
Why celebrate "Christ Mass Day" at all? I don't. Its not like there is even any evidence that he existed at all. Basically, some scrub-up of various wandering preachers at the time written about a century later, I suspect.
I agree.
Hell, I don't even celebrate my own birthday - why would I celebrate that of some fictional character?
Well, I do note my own birthday. One day closer to the inevitable but logical end to my brain each year...
Quote from: Cavebear on June 29, 2017, 04:01:40 AM
Why celebrate "Christ Mass Day" at all? I don't. Its not like there is even any evidence that he existed at all. Basically, some scrub-up of various wandering preachers at the time written about a century later, I suspect.
Unless you are Catholic etc you don't celebrate Mass anyway ;-)
I don't know why Catholics don't call it mess - since they eat during it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 03, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
I don't know why Catholics don't call it mess - since they eat during it.
Last phrase of the Latin the priest says ... "dismissa est" ... you are dismissed. It is a very old joke.