well the people chose Trump. They have to live with the consequences.
Quote from: fencerider on April 13, 2017, 07:11:04 PM
well the people chose Trump. They have to live with the consequences.
Thump's a minority presidentish.
Quote from: fencerider on April 13, 2017, 07:11:04 PM
well the people chose Trump. They have to live with the consequences.
American voters don't live with the consequences, we always make foreigners do that ;-(
Great idea, the best idea even! Obviously the only reason the US has left North Korea mostly alone for so long is because we didn't have a wonderful
fuhrer like Trump! There is no reason for a containment strategy at all! It certainly couldn't lead to a geopolitical crisis because of complicated and conflicting interests, alliances and treaties, there's no way a situation like that would ever happen in Asia. Bring up the draft boys, we're going all in!
Quote from: Baruch on April 13, 2017, 09:51:34 PM
American voters don't live with the consequences, we always make foreigners do that ;-(
Some of those good ol boys in the military will get a first hand look at what "Making America Great Again" looks like firsthand. If China gets involved we might all get a taste of it. #winning
QuoteSome of those good ol boys in the military will get a first hand look at what "Making America Great Again" looks like firsthand. If China gets involved we might all get a taste of it. #winning
My Marine and Army acquaintances are going apeshit over the MOAB, thinking it's a sign we are provoking ISIS into... declaring war on us?... and that we will soon invade... ISIS-stan?... so they will get their chance to kill some freedom hating Muslims... er Arabs... er, uh... terrorists? I'm sure they would chomp at the bits to be shipped into the scenic, frozen hills of North Korea.
I get they have to be trained to want to rush head first into combat because they are the grunts and you gotta make them believe, but... I mean, if you want to go rush head first into battle, and get some limbs blown off or oorah your way into PTSD and dead friends... just go on your own time and leave the rest of us out of it.
Every time we have a Republican president, he wants to wage war as though he is a kid playing soldiers and Indians.
The realization that every Republican president, at least since I was born, are of low intelligence makes me fear for a country that continues to elect these idiots.
Do people seriously think that there will be no retaliation in war?
There is a reason that peace is preferential to war, due to the fact that war will only kill us all in the end.
There is no safety in war, for retaliation is most assuredly the outcome.
Hate and war merely breed more of the same.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 14, 2017, 12:01:40 AM
Great idea, the best idea even! Obviously the only reason the US has left North Korea mostly alone for so long is because we didn't have a wonderful fuhrer like Trump!
North Korea is a nuclear-powered IED that could turn ugly very quickly and very tragically.
Even our best Presidents would have a tough time dealing with it should the missiles start flying - minimizing civilian deaths, coordinating with our allies, and coaxing China into cooperating with or at least not hindering a US-led military coalition threateningly positioned on China's doorstep.
And that's just phase one. After the nail-biting military campaign, there's the daunting task of managing a postwar North Korea - dealing with the humanitarian crisis, building infrastructure, and re-introducing a populace traumatized and extensively brainwashed back to the rule of law and some semblance of democracy.
That's a hell of a task that would sorely try even our best and brightest. Trump is not our best. Trump typically isn't even the best in the room, and I'm including the time he spent on Pat Robertson's lap.
I despite the DPRK regime as much as anyone else. That country is run like one big concentration camp centered around a cult of personality. Severe human rights abuses have been going on there decade after decade. Sooner or later, it needs to end.
But it needs to be put to an end
extremely carefully. If we're just going to end up shooting from the hip, it would be better to just stay in harbor indefinitely.
Does anyone have a fallout shelter they wanna share? I promise I won't kill you, eat your flesh, and make some sort of weird skin suit to wear while I'm conquering the wastes.
But Hydra, this is a shoot from the hip nation! We're not worried about silly things like reality or what we do afterwards, it's all about winning bigly! Think of it now, friend, a sparkling TRUMP casino and hotel in the middle of downtown Pyongyang! If that doesn't bring a patriotic tear to your eye, then you must be a commie or a Muslim.
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 01:16:47 AMThere is a reason that peace is preferential to war, due to the fact that war will only kill us all in the end.
There is no safety in war, for retaliation is most assuredly the outcome.
Also, when nations go to war, their futures are pretty much up in the air for the duration of the war. War is inherently risky. Japan started a war in the Pacific and ended up the two-time victim of the most devastating weapon humans have ever produced. And US military experiences in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have proven to be very different from the initial expectation.
It bothers me how blasé (or worse, eager) American officials have often been towards military conflict. We recently launched a cruise missile strike at Syria and some journalists practically salivated over it. Insanity.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 14, 2017, 02:09:04 AM
We launched a cruise missile strike at Syria and we have journalists salivating over it. It's crazy.
Indeed.
Worse, most people who watch/read the news are also salivating over it.
Where is their humanity?
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
Indeed.
Worse, most people who watch/read the news are also salivating over it.
Where is their humanity?
I dunno. And the funny part is that I'm somewhat of an interventionist and this is too much even for me. Stuff like responding to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait - that I understand. Bombing for little rational reason, seemingly bombing just to get your rocks off? That I don't understand and pray I never understand.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 14, 2017, 02:27:55 AM
Bombing for little provocation or reason, seemingly bombing just to get your rocks off? That I don't understand and pray I never understand.
It is not as though there was any intelligence that ISIS, their excuse, was actually there in that area.
Trump just wanted to blow something up, which is precisely why he should not be president.
The Vortons came to the White House looking for intelligent life. Having found none, they then proceeded to....
Quote from: fencerider on April 14, 2017, 02:39:38 AM
The Vortons came to the White House looking for intelligent life. Having found none, they then proceeded to....
loop through eternity.
I seriously need to get my printer out of storage and send the Speaker a letter. The guy clearly never tried to understand the Constitution or he wouldn't be putting up with Trump's wild moves.
The power to declare war is given to Congress
The power to authorize covert operations is also given to Congress.
Congress can not write a law that violates the Constitution (i.e. Congress can not give away power to the President that the Constitution gives specifically to Congress)
In short all military action must be authorized by Congress....
and if you really want to get into the weeds and make a thorough study of the Constitution you find that Congress and not the President is in charge of foreign policy.
Congress has carte blanche authority to control trade, power to declare war, power to authorize covert operations (letters of marq and letters of reprisal- specific targets or targets of opportunity), power to approve or disapprove a treaty, power to maintain or disband the army, respnsibility to write the training manual for the military, power to make loans from foreign governments
and what does the President got? power to write but not approve a treaty, responsibility to lead the military when Congress calls for military action and thats it
well time to changed the subject I get seriously pisssed at how ignorant of the Constitutions that the leaders of Congress show every day
Funny how Congress did not declare war during Clinton or Obama, yet it did during Bush and Trump.
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 03:16:13 AM
Funny how Congress did not declare war during Clinton or Obama, yet it did during Bush and Trump.
Congress hasn't done anything since 1941. No war, including Korea, has ever been declared. Congress reserves the right to stop funding it, after it starts ... but they have no balls. Trump keeps trying to grab them by their pussy, but no luck so far.
Quote from: fencerider on April 14, 2017, 03:13:44 AM
I seriously need to get my printer out of storage and send the Speaker a letter. The guy clearly never tried to understand the Constitution or he wouldn't be putting up with Trump's wild moves.
The power to declare war is given to Congress
The power to authorize covert operations is also given to Congress.
Congress can not write a law that violates the Constitution (i.e. Congress can not give away power to the President that the Constitution gives specifically to Congress)
In short all military action must be authorized by Congress....
and if you really want to get into the weeds and make a thorough study of the Constitution you find that Congress and not the President is in charge of foreign policy.
Congress has carte blanche authority to control trade, power to declare war, power to authorize covert operations (letters of marq and letters of reprisal- specific targets or targets of opportunity), power to approve or disapprove a treaty, power to maintain or disband the army, respnsibility to write the training manual for the military, power to make loans from foreign governments
and what does the President got? power to write but not approve a treaty, responsibility to lead the military when Congress calls for military action and thats it
well time to changed the subject I get seriously pisssed at how ignorant of the Constitutions that the leaders of Congress show every day
Not ignorant, plausible deniability. If the war is good, they take credit, if the war is bad, they blame the President. Same as the damn budget.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 14, 2017, 12:01:40 AM
Great idea, the best idea even! Obviously the only reason the US has left North Korea mostly alone for so long is because we didn't have a wonderful fuhrer like Trump! There is no reason for a containment strategy at all! It certainly couldn't lead to a geopolitical crisis because of complicated and conflicting interests, alliances and treaties, there's no way a situation like that would ever happen in Asia. Bring up the draft boys, we're going all in!
Some of those good ol boys in the military will get a first hand look at what "Making America Great Again" looks like firsthand. If China gets involved we might all get a taste of it. #winning
The guys who want to bring back the draft, and this time with women, and no exclusion for college students ... are having blue balls right now. Hope you know a way to Canada. Yes, containment is for pussies, and our new President loves to grab reality by the pussy, not be one.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 14, 2017, 01:38:07 AM
North Korea is a nuclear-powered IED that could turn ugly very quickly and very tragically.
Even our best Presidents would have a tough time dealing with it should the missiles start flying - minimizing civilian deaths, coordinating with our allies, and coaxing China into cooperating with or at least not hindering a US-led military coalition threateningly positioned on China's doorstep.
And that's just phase one. After the nail-biting military campaign, there's the daunting task of managing a postwar North Korea - dealing with the humanitarian crisis, building infrastructure, and re-introducing a populace traumatized and extensively brainwashed back to the rule of law and some semblance of democracy.
That's a hell of a task that would sorely try even our best and brightest. Trump is not our best. Trump typically isn't even the best in the room, and I'm including the time he spent on Pat Robertson's lap.
I despite the DPRK regime as much as anyone else. That country is run like one big concentration camp centered around a cult of personality. Severe human rights abuses have been going on there decade after decade. Sooner or later, it needs to end.
But it needs to be put to an end extremely carefully. If we're just going to end up shooting from the hip, it would be better to just stay in harbor indefinitely.
Republicans want to refight the Korean War and the Vietnam War. Those were run by pussy Democrats. So expect Trump to also drop a MOAB on Hanoi.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 14, 2017, 01:44:36 AM
Does anyone have a fallout shelter they wanna share? I promise I won't kill you, eat your flesh, and make some sort of weird skin suit to wear while I'm conquering the wastes.
Learn contortionism from those Mongolian ladies, so you can manage to kiss your own ass goodbye.
Quote from: Hydra009 on April 14, 2017, 02:09:04 AM
Also, when nations go to war, their futures are pretty much up in the air for the duration of the war. War is inherently risky. Japan started a war in the Pacific and ended up the two-time victim of the most devastating weapon humans have ever produced. And US military experiences in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan have proven to be very different from the initial expectation.
It bothers me how blasé (or worse, eager) American officials have often been towards military conflict. We recently launched a cruise missile strike at Syria and some journalists practically salivated over it. Insanity.
The point isn't winning, it is war profiteering. See Zaibatsu in war time Japan. And please, D people ... stop having pacifist blue balls now that the war you would get with Hillary, you are getting anyway with Trump.
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
Indeed.
Worse, most people who watch/read the news are also salivating over it.
Where is their humanity?
Ape men aren't human. Go look at the first Planet of the Apes movie again. Gorillas all the way down ... orangutans and chimps ... not so much.
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 02:29:46 AM
It is not as though there was any intelligence that ISIS, their excuse, was actually there in that area.
Trump just wanted to blow something up, which is precisely why he should not be president.
Yes, per other news, ISIS is in many countries, including the US. MOAB will be used to sterilize the US, to restore our vital juices ;-( And remember, ISIS is created by the US, same as Al Qaida.
Quote from: Sorginak on April 14, 2017, 02:12:05 AM
Indeed.
Worse, most people who watch/read the news are also salivating over it.
Where is their humanity?
Adrenalin junkies ... they probably go to car crashes to look at the broken glass and bodies.
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Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2017, 12:55:53 AM
I get they have to be trained to want to rush head first into combat because they are the grunts and you gotta make them believe, but... I mean, if you want to go rush head first into battle, and get some limbs blown off or oorah your way into PTSD and dead friends... just go on your own time and leave the rest of us out of it.
Or maybe they're not that stupid?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 08:08:37 AM
Or maybe they're not that stupid?
No, these guys are.
I don't mean that as the average Enlisted is or isn't, but these are and have been since high school.
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2017, 11:08:11 AM
No, these guys are.
I don't mean that as the average Enlisted is or isn't, but these are and have been since high school.
Whenever it was brought up about charging head-long into the enemy I asked the speaker to consider the wonderful results obtained by the Japanese BANZAI! charges in the PTO during WWII.
Quote from: Atheon on April 14, 2017, 07:41:35 AM
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Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
Whenever it was brought up about charging head-long into the enemy I asked the speaker to consider the wonderful results obtained by the Japanese BANZAI! charges in the PTO during WWII.
During a proper war, I agree it has a place. We just haven't fought a proper war against a stable state in ages.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 14, 2017, 01:44:36 AM
Does anyone have a fallout shelter they wanna share? I promise I won't kill you, eat your flesh, and make some sort of weird skin suit to wear while I'm conquering the wastes.
I don't believe you...
Quote from: Atheon on April 14, 2017, 07:41:35 AM
To all who contributed to Trump's occupation of the White House, or who support him now, I offer a big, wet, fart-felt, piss-and-shit-filled FUCK YOU.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ....
Find a civil defense shelter ... Taiwan might be toast (collateral damage to rise of Mainland China).
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
During a proper war, I agree it has a place. We just haven't fought a proper war against a stable state in ages.
Vietnam ended 42 years ago, this month. I remember, you probably do not. Since then our enemies mostly live in caves or among human shields (I don't blame them).
Can we just go ahead and pin a fucking medal on Trump and send him back to NYC..? You're a fucking hero asswipe, now go home and show it to Melanoma ..
Quote from: Shiranu on April 14, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
During a proper war, I agree it has a place. We just haven't fought a proper war against a stable state in ages.
How likely are we to get into a war with a "stable state"?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 12:50:36 PM
How likely are we to get into a war with a "stable state"?
Not overly likely anytime soon I hope, thanks to the globalization of economies. A traditional war has become more and more a suicide sentence for both parties.
If a real war breaks out, there will likely be little left afterwards. This is why it is important to get rid of this mindset as soon as we can, because minor skirmishes and campaigns against stateless powers and places like north Korea risk escalation with their global power benefactors.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 12:50:36 PM
How likely are we to get into a war with a "stable state"?
It was highly likely in the leadup to WWI and WWII, moderately likely during the Cold War, but now is very unlikely. Nearly all military conflicts between two countries in living memory have been asymmetric wars - the relative military power of both countries isn't even close. Often, it's not even countries who are at war, but a country at war with a paramilitary or terrorist organization or a country experiencing civil war.
But to go back to your question, it's very unlikely, as this graph shows. And that's great because we're at the point that a conflict between two major powers would be a world-destabilizing event.
[spoiler](http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ourworldindata_percentage-of-years-in-which-the-great-powers-fought-one-another-1500%E2%80%932000.png)[/spoiler]
As much as I hate to say this, I think that Donald has dumbassed onto a bit of truth. We have a moral obligation to remove Kim from from power. Adolf Hitler committed lesser offenses than the Kims, and we need to do something about it. We in the United States have great military power, but with that power comes responsibility.
Great info!
So, we're left with fighting the lunatic-with-a-cause people. That's never pretty.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 14, 2017, 01:53:19 PM
As much as I hate to say this, I think that Donald has dumbassed onto a bit of truth. We have a moral obligation to remove Kim from from power. Adolf Hitler committed lesser offenses than the Kims, and we need to do something about it.
The power dynamics are unclear, at least to me, with regard to a sudden removal of the Great Leader. The people are programmed? They would/wouldn't go to the barricades if the king got chopped?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 01:55:46 PM
The power dynamics are unclear, at least to me, with regard to a sudden removal of the Great Leader. The people are programmed? They would/wouldn't go to the barricades if the king got chopped?
Machiavelli described s similar situation in the The Prince. North Koreams are passive and used to bowing to central authority, The Chinese could step in and install a strongman with no further problems to the US.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 14, 2017, 01:53:19 PMAs much as I hate to say this, I think that Donald has dumbassed onto a bit of truth. We have a moral obligation to remove Kim from from power. Adolf Hitler committed lesser offenses than the Kims, and we need to do something about it. We in the United States have great military power, but with that power comes responsibility.
And I agree with that for the most part. I guess my main objection is that it probably wouldn't be carried out with an appropriate level of care and foresight.
But a lot of people would disagree with any sort of intervention at all. Their main argument is that the US doesn't have the authority to dictate other sovereign nations' affairs. It's morally wrong for us to impose our will on some other country and to spoil for a fight against a country that has not attacked us. It's not the US's job to be the world police. This so-called "responsibility" argument is just self-serving imperialist rhetoric - a rehashed white man's burden. And where exactly do we draw the line? Which governments should be overthrown and which shouldn't? After we depose Kim Un, do depose Assad? Ayatollah Khamenei? Erdogan? The king of Saudi Arabia? Putin?
I don't agree with these people, but I can sympathize with their sentiment if not their position. They don't want to be drawn into conflict. They want an end to puppet governments and proxy wars and the ongoing turmoil of the Middle East. I feel much the same way. But on the other hand, there are situations where intervention is the right decision. The trick is to pull it off with the minimum loss of life and not having boots on the ground for any longer than necessary.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 01:55:46 PMThe power dynamics are unclear, at least to me, with regard to a sudden removal of the Great Leader. The people are programmed? They would/wouldn't go to the barricades if the king got chopped?
It's unclear to me, too. I'd like to imagine that most North Koreans don't truly believe the propaganda and would be relieved to be free of their tyrant. On the other hand, there might be a bone-deep hatred towards any perceived invader and they might conduct guerrilla campaigns for years against any occupying force. I just don't know how they'd react.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 14, 2017, 02:15:32 PM
Machiavelli described s similar situation in the The Prince. North Koreams are passive and used to bowing to central authority, The Chinese could step in and install a strongman with no further problems to the US.
Or the Japanese could dash in and renew that wonderful relationship they had with the Koreans before Hiroshima.
You know things are getting real over there when China starts worrying (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/world/asia/north-korea-china-nuclear.html).
Quote“The United States and South Korea and North Korea are engaging in tit for tat, with swords drawn and bows bent, and there have been storm clouds gathering,†China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, said in Beijing, according to Xinhua, the state news agency.
“We urge all sides to no longer engage in mutual provocation and threats, whether through words or deeds, and don’t push the situation to the point where it can’t be turned around and gets out of hand,†Mr. Wang said after meeting with his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Marc Ayrault, according to Xinhua.
Well said. And I've gotta say, it must be nice to have a leader who can speak in whole sentences.
Quote“No matter who it is, if they let war break out on the peninsula, they must shoulder that historical culpability and pay the corresponding price for this,†Mr. Wang said.
That part sounds pretty ominous.
QuoteThe Japanese news media reported that the government’s National Security Council had been discussing the possible evacuation of an estimated 57,000 Japanese citizens in South Korea, should war break out. “We will take all necessary steps to protect our people’s lives and assets,†said Yoshihide Suga, Japan’s chief cabinet secretary.
A prudent move.
QuoteIn South Korea, whose people have lived through saber-rattling involving the North for decades, there were few signs of panic. Nonetheless, the South Korean Foreign Ministry warned on Friday that if the North conducted another nuclear test or launched an intercontinental ballistic missile, it would suffer an “unbearably strong punishment.â€
Another ominous statement.
We're in for one pretty intense standoff in the coming days; U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Group 1 is en route to North Korea, North Korea may do another underground nuclear bomb test and VP Mike Pence is coming to South Korea for a 10-day tour. The center of the chessboard is filling with pieces.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 14, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
Or the Japanese could dash in and renew that wonderful relationship they had with the Koreans before Hiroshima.
Even if Japan wasn't bound by a pacifist Constitution, that would never be permitted, and I doubt Japan would be inclined to anyway because they don't have enough young people to do something like that. North Korea is so backwards and impoverished that its people have been known to eat grass and tree bark. Even China's authoritarian capitalism would be a huge improvement. And thats not even getting started on the multigenerational death camps...
Quote from: Baruch on April 14, 2017, 12:40:39 PM
Find a civil defense shelter ... Taiwan might be toast (collateral damage to rise of Mainland China).
All the more reason to say FUCK YOU to Trump supporters.
https://youtu.be/5_0OVHcIMh0
https://youtu.be/-5i4ZGVQGa8
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 15, 2017, 04:16:52 AM
Even if Japan wasn't bound by a pacifist Constitution, that would never be permitted, and I doubt Japan would be inclined to anyway because they don't have enough young people to do something like that. North Korea is so backwards and impoverished that its people have been known to eat grass and tree bark. Even China's authoritarian capitalism would be a huge improvement. And thats not even getting started on the multigenerational death camps...
Wasn't actually serious about that.
https://youtu.be/frAEmhqdLFs
Quote from: Atheon on April 15, 2017, 05:34:38 AM
All the more reason to say FUCK YOU to Trump supporters.
Assad and Un are Trump supporters? Who knew!
Meanwhile, I am going to go and have a breakfast burrito and a cup of coffee while I still can. You can't choose which historical era you are born into, what country you are born into. But you can choose how you react. In one POV, in a dream, I was a German soldier in WW II. If I was, I don't blame myself, even for being on the wrong side of history.
Quote from: Atheon on April 15, 2017, 05:34:38 AM
All the more reason to say FUCK YOU to Trump supporters.
I can tell you love that dumbass about as much as I do.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 15, 2017, 08:17:31 AM
I can tell you love that dumbass about as much as I do.
Try being a liberal in the south. Pretty hard, right? Now try being an anarchocommunist/syndicalist in the south. I keep my views to myself needless to say, otherwise I'd be like an alien down here.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 14, 2017, 01:53:19 PM
As much as I hate to say this, I think that Donald has dumbassed onto a bit of truth. We have a moral obligation to remove Kim from from power. Adolf Hitler committed lesser offenses than the Kims, and we need to do something about it. We in the United States have great military power, but with that power comes responsibility.
I mostly agree--but when, in the last 70 yrs has the US shown any kind of responsibility with it's military power???
China Warns of ‘Storm Clouds Gathering’ in U.S.-North Korea Standoff (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/world/asia/north-korea-china-nuclear.html)
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 15, 2017, 09:16:56 AM
I mostly agree--but when, in the last 70 yrs has the US shown any kind of responsibility with it's military power???
Talk about hyperfocused...
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 15, 2017, 08:41:11 AM
Try being a liberal in the south. Pretty hard, right? Now try being an anarchocommunist/syndicalist in the south. I keep my views to myself needless to say, otherwise I'd be like an alien down here.
Show me a functional communist state and I will join you. Nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing a bunch of corporate pigs rounded up and shot, but until we have an alternative we need to keep them around. This has been tried before, and North Korea was the result. The USSR collapsed from its own inefficiencies, and China gave up on communism completely. Cuba remains communist, but its dirt poor.
Quote from: Baruch on April 15, 2017, 07:32:13 AM
Assad and Un are Trump supporters? Who knew!
Kim most certainly is. Indeed, he endorsed Trump during the campaign. An apocalyptic war is his wet dream.
Quote from: Atheon on April 15, 2017, 10:06:23 AM
Kim most certainly is. Indeed, he endorsed Trump during the campaign. An apocalyptic war is his wet dream.
Hard to get dates so alternatives are necessary. How about this Facebook come-on ... "Evil dictator, murdered last girl friend" ... sheesh!
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 15, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
Show me a functional communist state and I will join you.
The Amana Colonies in Iowa were one of the most successful examples of communism. But that experiment failed eventually.
Communism only works on small scales. Once a community grows large enough so that its residents no longer know everyone within the community, and consequently no longer care about the well-being of everyone else equally, communism is doomed to fail.
Quote from: Atheon on April 15, 2017, 10:23:30 AM
The Amana Colonies in Iowa were one of the most successful examples of communism. But that experiment failed eventually.
Communism only works on small scales. Once a community grows large enough so that its residents no longer know everyone within the community, and consequently no longer care about the well-being of everyone else equally, communism is doomed to fail.
Right. Communism can be a great thing among small groups of related people, but trying to scale it up the level of a nation state leads to disaster. People are never going to care about strangers the way they care about their own families, and communist countries always become totalitarian shitholes trying to force them to. That and everyone starves just like in North Korea.
"From each according to what they can get away with, to each according what they can get away with."
Humans are the reason communism will never work. We're not Smurfs. Hell the Smurfs weren't Smurfs.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on April 15, 2017, 09:21:04 AM
Show me a functional communist state and I will join you. Nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing a bunch of corporate pigs rounded up and shot, but until we have an alternative we need to keep them around. This has been tried before, and North Korea was the result. The USSR collapsed from its own inefficiencies, and China gave up on communism completely. Cuba remains communist, but its dirt poor.
I think you missed the anarchist part of the equation. Nonetheless, I didn't mention that to argue politics though, that's a whole nother' tangent from the thread topic. I just mentioned it because fuck living in trump land, man.
Good news ... NorK missile launch fail. Bad news ... more aerospace engineers to be executed by feral dogs.
More news ... VP Pence went to visit the troops in S Korea. So ... he is the real President, as Cheney was under George W ... and Trump is the bullet catcher, as was George W himself.
The Korean War never ended (http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/24/armstrong.north.korea/)
And we're still burying people from that stupid war:
Korean War Soldier Receives Proper Burial In Mass. Hometown (http://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524473927/korean-war-soldier-receives-proper-burial-in-mass-hometown)
And now it looks very much like the war will be going strong soon.
Can they blame Obama or Clinton for this? I'm sure they'll try like hell.
Quote from: Unbeliever on April 18, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
The Korean War never ended (http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/24/armstrong.north.korea/)
And we're still burying people from that stupid war:
Korean War Soldier Receives Proper Burial In Mass. Hometown (http://www.npr.org/2017/04/18/524473927/korean-war-soldier-receives-proper-burial-in-mass-hometown)
And now it looks very much like the war will be going strong soon.
Can they blame Obama or Clinton for this? I'm sure they'll try like hell.
Different Democrat ... it was Truman's fault. Mostly for leaving our troops on the wrong side of the sea between Japan and Korea. Had our troops not been in S Korea, it would have been a fait accompli for Kim, and Mao and Stalin. It is also McArthur's fault for not anticipating the Reds for taking advantage of an obvious Western weakness ... unless of course we intended to sucker them in. But then his defense of the Philippines in 1941 was comically tragic.
I'm calling it: Chump is showing signs of Alzheimers. We have a brain-addled "president" leading us into war with Korea (and China).
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/donald-trumps-mental-lapses-rapidly-worsen-as-he-keeps-calling-paul-ryan-by-wrong-name/2352/
let's not forget that defense contractors will always push for action. No conflict => no profits...
Oh yeah Duh Trump just upped the military budget. He's gonna have to show some results for the extra money he is getting. It's too bad his brain is not as big as his yooge bigley talk
Quote from: Atheon on April 19, 2017, 12:38:43 AM
I'm calling it: Chump is showing signs of Alzheimers. We have a brain-addled "president" leading us into war with Korea (and China).
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/donald-trumps-mental-lapses-rapidly-worsen-as-he-keeps-calling-paul-ryan-by-wrong-name/2352/
"I don’t want to telegraph what I’m doing or what I’m thinking," says man well-known for doing just that on Twitter.
trump has alzheimer's? shouldn't that invoke the article where the pres is incapitated the vp takes over?
heard some lady married to a guy with ADD sayin "I'm tellin you Trump has ADD. He acts just like my husband"
Quote from: fencerider on April 20, 2017, 02:25:40 AM
trump has alzheimer's? shouldn't that invoke the article where the pres is incapitated the vp takes over?
heard some lady married to a guy with ADD sayin "I'm tellin you Trump has ADD. He acts just like my husband"
Already happened ... VP Pence went to S Korea, not Trump. Fortunately the qualifications to be President are few, and only Arnold Swartzenegger is disqualified ;-)
Quote from: fencerider on April 20, 2017, 02:25:40 AM
trump has alzheimer's? shouldn't that invoke the article where the pres is incapitated the vp takes over?
heard some lady married to a guy with ADD sayin "I'm tellin you Trump has ADD. He acts just like my husband"
Reagan had ALZ and finished out his second term. ALZ isn't instantly and totally debilitating, so an evaluation would be needed before moving on "incapacitated".
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 20, 2017, 07:58:35 AM
Reagan had ALZ and finished out his second term. ALZ isn't instantly and totally debilitating, so an evaluation would be needed before moving on "incapacitated".
But was Nancy's astrologer incapacitated? ;-)
I think Trump's astrologer is Ivanca. but if she becomes incapacitated he has money to get another astrologer
Quote from: fencerider on April 22, 2017, 01:48:53 AM
I think Trump's astrologer is Ivanca. but if she becomes incapacitated he has money to get another astrologer
Ivanka's husband is Jared Kushner. I hear he is a childhood friend of Bibi .. the Israeli PM. Rahm Emanuel was Obama's Mossad handler. General Patraeus had his Mossad handler as his main squeeze ;-) Don't consider the AIPAC folks as .. uninvolved.