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Title: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Hydra009 on April 11, 2017, 10:06:09 PM
(http://www.browsecontrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/block-porn.gif)

QuoteConservative lawmakers in over a dozen states are pushing a bill that would force consumers to pay a ransom to access pornography.

The Human Trafficking Prevention Act, if passed, would apply a pornography filter to any device, from laptops to cellphones to routers, that connects to the internetâ€"and would levy a $20 tax to remove it from each one. The bill mandates all manufacturers of internet-connected devices maintain separate, 24-7 call centers to make sure obscene material is appropriately labeled.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/11/anti-porn-warrior-behind-the-porn-filter-bill-has-a-tangled-legal-history.html

Confusingly, this bill has the exact same name as a 2014 bill which seems intended to actually help fight human trafficking.

This bill (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/04/06/bill-would-block-access-porn-alabama/100142500/) (or rather, these bills, since multiple states have proposed their own versions) is not like that bill in the same way that Circus Balls Cereal is not like Trix.  It's an cheap imitation, it's not fooling anyone, and it's totally not worth saving 50¢ at checkout.

Instead of fighting human trafficking, bills like this (http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess122_2017-2018/bills/3003.htm) are intended to fight "the growing epidemic of dissemination of pornographic images and the resulting demand for human trafficking" - there are a hell of a lot of assumptions here that are just plain wrong. 

First off, calling it an "epidemic" is a tad hyperbolic.  If no one actually has to go to the hospital except one guy who unwisely tried a 36-hour marathon, calling it an epidemic is a bit misleading.  Second, thanks for using "dissemination" in that sentence.  The jokes practically write themselves.  Third, the resulting demand for human trafficking??  I don't what you guys think is going on, but I'm reasonably sure that looking at some NSFW artwork doesn't result in anyone getting abducted.  I'm pretty sure the only people getting hurt by this are the artist's wrist and possibly other people's wrists.

And even if these bills weren't absolutely mental (not to mention at odds with the Republican portrayal of themselves as against government regulation and pro individual freedom) enforcing this sort of jackbooted moral guardianship (at taxpayer expense) could be very hard difficult to implement.

QuoteWilliams said 13 other states including South Carolina are also currently looking at bills to block porn access on devices sold in-state. The problem is how to accomplish that. Either an arrangement would have to be struck with electronics companies to implement hardware or software to block explicit web content or it would have to be done by someone else further along the consumer chain. Williams said that he's aware of the challenges of implementing a statewide block on content that couldn't be circumvented by getting a VPN, proxy, or a computer shipped from another state.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2017/04/06/bill-would-block-access-porn-alabama/100142500/

Apparently, this block would not only be a headache for manufacturers and consumers, it'd be trivially easy to break.  Aggravating, ineffectual, and kinda authoritarian - just like the current state of the Republican Party.  Have fun standing up for Jeezus, tilting at whatever windmill is your villain today.  Just don't be surprised when you guys have to pack your bags in 2-4 years.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2017, 10:47:30 PM
Hahaha ... the worst porn of all is political ideology.  Implicit fear porn and snuff porn.  We need the barbarian armies to come and cut off the male gonads of the male puritans, so they can forget having normal sex, and thus be sinless ... bwahaha ... and they can be made useful as servants in our harems ;-)

On another planet, Bill Gates has trademarked "e" ... everyone using "e" will have to pay him a dollar, each time they use it (that sentence just cost me $13).
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: GrinningYMIR on April 11, 2017, 11:09:42 PM
I look at a lot of porn. Take that away from me and I'll be mad.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Atheon on April 12, 2017, 12:00:38 AM
Another reason to hate Republicans.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: fencerider on April 12, 2017, 01:48:05 AM
conservatives were always good at mental masterbation, but they don't ever call it that....

human traffickin is mostly to do with forcing underage girls into prostitution by holding some kind of threat over their heads. I guess thats a little bit of hillbilly logic to connect porn with trafficking. Or maybe somebody just got mad about all those porn videos slowin down their internet connection.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 12, 2017, 02:14:59 AM
All this work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Munch on April 12, 2017, 02:50:49 AM
Hello Tor and deep web
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 12, 2017, 03:04:50 AM
A friend of mine has been on the deep web once.

It sounds like a scary place.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Munch on April 12, 2017, 03:08:24 AM
Sure, but it's also a way of blocking your I.P, just with the risk of coming across something disturbing

If conservatives are gonna go Orwellian on us, it becomes a necessity to take such risks
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Cavebear on April 12, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
If the Republicans name a Bill, it 100% means the opposite.  When the Democrats name a Bill, it is at least 50/50 to mean what it says.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 07:04:21 AM
Quote from: Munch on April 12, 2017, 02:50:49 AM
Hello Tor and deep web

Good thing SEC and CIA like to watch porn during working hours.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 07:28:19 AM
DISH, Direct, etc., provide plenty of softcore porn. And the underground will find ways around this. I know folks who would pay $40 to avoid giving the misadministration $20.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2017, 10:11:16 AM
God bless the Republicans for their priorities.  Meanwhile, other standards of living continue to decline.  But that doesn't seem to be a concern.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
The internet, in spite of the porn, was just to popular to the public without the government demanding a share, be it for the potential revenue or the obsession to exert control in something big.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on April 12, 2017, 10:55:20 AM
Small GovernmentTM*

*offer does not apply to nonwhites, women, poor, LGBT, nonchristians, or immigrants.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2017, 10:14:38 AM
The internet, in spite of the porn, was just to popular to the public without the government demanding a share, be it for the potential revenue or the obsession to exert control in something big.

Last time I looked, 1/2 of the Internet traffic was spam email, the other half was porn.  We are advancing to the stars, any day now ;-)
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Solomon Zorn on April 12, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
The War On Porn...coming to a legislature near you. I'll be sure to attend the townhall meeting, in a trenchcoat, and dark sunglasses...
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Jason78 on April 12, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
In the entire history of mankind, since the first cavemen drew the first boobs on the first cave wall, it has been impossible to keep teenage boys away from pornography.   They couldn't hide it in back street stores requiring ID, and they couldn't hide it behind credit card paywalls.  Teenage kids knew how to pick the lock on the tacklebox with the playboys in it, and today they know the wifi router password so they can turn off the parental block (if the parent was even smart enough to set one).   

You can bet the porno filter wont be on at the ISP level, because dad wants redtube and mom wants hbo.   

Americans also have guns.   And I don't know about you but when I've not had a wank in a while I get cranky.  I seriously doubt the wisdom in taking away the porn of literally thousands of angry yank wankers with guns.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 12, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on April 12, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
Americans also have guns.   And I don't know about you but when I've not had a wank in a while I get cranky.  I seriously doubt the wisdom in taking away the porn of literally thousands of angry yank wankers with guns.

Squeeze the snake, not the trigger!
Blow your cock, don't cock to blow!
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 05:16:22 PM
Need to stock up on my manatee-trampoline-amputee porn, I think.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 06:26:58 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on April 12, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
The War On Porn...coming to a legislature near you. I'll be sure to attend the townhall meeting, in a trenchcoat, and dark sunglasses...

That is OK, as long as you are nude under the trench coat.  I am sure you can excite the octogenarians if you try ;-))
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on April 12, 2017, 07:59:20 PM
I've decided that if this ever goes through I will pay the fine. After that I will email, snail mail, and call my republican representative with the website, title, and actor names (if I can find them) of every single piece of pornography I consume. I'll do this for both my state representative, and my congressman. I'm a young man...I watch a lot of porn, but because they take such interest in what I do in private, I might as well do my civic duty and let them know.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Hydra009 on April 12, 2017, 08:56:20 PM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 12, 2017, 07:59:20 PMI've decided that if this ever goes through I will pay the fine. After that I will email, snail mail, and call my republican representative with the website, title, and actor names (if I can find them) of every single piece of pornography I consume. I'll do this for both my state representative, and my congressman. I'm a young man...I watch a lot of porn, but because they take such interest in what I do in private, I might as well do my civic duty and let them know.
I guarantee that if any of these bills were passed, manufacturers would refuse to implement it.

Not only would they have to install a porn-blocker on each computer they manufacture, they'd have to "maintain separate, 24-7 call centers to make sure obscene material is appropriately labeled".  If you think your job sucks, just imagine having to take those calls.  Yikes.

And all consumers would have to do to get around it is buy a computer manufactured in a state without these laws.  And if I were in charge of any of these computer companies, I would only manufacture computers in states without these laws.  These legislators would just be chasing jobs out of their own states.  Geniuses, through and through.

Lucky for them that this stuff is never going to come to fruition.  It exists only as symbolic gesture - a big show to the faithful that the legislators are on the side of the angels.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 12, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: fencerider on April 12, 2017, 01:48:05 AM
human traffickin is mostly to do with forcing underage girls into prostitution by holding some kind of threat over their heads.

A lot of the human trafficking here in the US involves forced labor. It's a successful business model, and it has made a lot of people rich.
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2017, 05:13:17 AM
Speaking of the Anti porn Loons I have a thought because I often download porn pic a lot, is loli porn gonna be an issue? Or better yet porn pictures of cartoon characters that are underage and maybe 5? Are cartoon furries okay like D r. Comet? I know the goverment sees my shit everyday so i keep thinking are they coming to tell me I'm a pedo for masturbating to cartoons I watched as a child and wanted to fuck at 12?
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 13, 2017, 06:04:07 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2017, 05:13:17 AM
Speaking of the Anti porn Loons I have a thought because I often download porn pic a lot, is loli porn gonna be an issue? Or better yet porn pictures of cartoon characters that are underage and maybe 5? Are cartoon furries okay like D r. Comet? I know the goverment sees my shit everyday so i keep thinking are they coming to tell me I'm a pedo for masturbating to cartoons I watched as a child and wanted to fuck at 12?

https://youtu.be/MpPvGlrqhdA
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2017, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 13, 2017, 06:04:07 AM
https://youtu.be/MpPvGlrqhdA

I got ben ten porn, kim possible porn, danny phantom porn, dragon ball porn, naruto porn, shogeki no souma porn, familiar of zero porn, sword art online porn, one piece porn, fairy tail porn, legend of zelda porn and thats about it if I dont find more. The drawing people make to make it sexy are fucked up but im fucked up for fapping to it i guess
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2017, 09:44:11 PM
Early Naruto ... sexy transform
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxz7UoC5jM

The sophomoric ways of Naruto ;-)
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on April 14, 2017, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2017, 08:43:57 PM
I got ben ten porn, kim possible porn, danny phantom porn, dragon ball porn, naruto porn, shogeki no souma porn, familiar of zero porn, sword art online porn, one piece porn, fairy tail porn, legend of zelda porn and thats about it if I dont find more. The drawing people make to make it sexy are fucked up but im fucked up for fapping to it i guess
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 13, 2017, 06:04:07 AM
https://youtu.be/MpPvGlrqhdA
Title: Re: Republicans preparing to charge you $20 to view porn on your own computer
Post by: Cavebear on April 17, 2017, 02:33:25 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 07:28:19 AM
DISH, Direct, etc., provide plenty of softcore porn. And the underground will find ways around this. I know folks who would pay $40 to avoid giving the misadministration $20.

Checked out the soft porn on cable once.  Too boring.