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Title: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
"POLITICAL PARTIES EXIST TO SECURE RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT AND TO EXECUTE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. FROM THESE GREAT TASKS BOTH OF THE OLD PARTIES HAVE TURNED ASIDE. INSTEAD OF INSTRUMENTS TO PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE, THEY HAVE BECOME THE TOOLS OF CORRUPT INTERESTS WHICH USE THEM IMPARTIALLY TO SERVE THEIR SELFISH PURPOSES. BEHIND THE OSTENSIBLE GOVERNMENT SITS ENTHRONED AN INVISIBLE GOVERNMENT, OWING NO ALLEGIANCE AND ACKNOWLEDGING NO RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PEOPLE." THEODORE ROOSEVELT, AUG 1912

The American people have been asleep sheep for over 100 years now.  Ask "What is the Federal Reserve".  It was created the year after the 1912 election, by President Wilson, a Democrat.

"WE ARE AT THE PARTING OF THE WAYS. WE HAVE, NOT ONE OR TWO OR THREE, BUT MANY, ESTABLISHED AND FORMIDABLE MONOPOLIES... WE HAVE COME TO BE ONE OF THE WORST RULED, ONE OF THE MOST COMPLETELY CONTROLLED AND DOMINATED, GOVERNMENTS IN THE CIVILIZED WORLD--NO LONGER A GOVERNMENT BY FREE OPINION, NO LONGER A GOVERNMENT BY CONVICTION AND THE VOTE OF THE MAJORITY, BUT A GOVERNMENT BY THE OPINION AND THE DURESS OF SMALL GROUPS OF DOMINANT MEN." WOODROW WILSON, THE NEW FREEDOM, 1913

This one is often misquoted, but the above is the actual record.  From the same document:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."


Elsewhere he wrote:

"We must have a currency, not rigid as now, but readily, elastically responsive to sound credit, the expanding and contracting credits of everyday transactions, the normal ebb and flow of personal and corporate dealings. Our banking laws must mobilize reserves; must not permit the concentration anywhere in a few hands of the monetary resources of the country or their use for speculative purposes in such volume as to hinder or impede or stand in the way of other more legitimate, more fruitful uses. And the control of the system of banking and of issue which our new laws are to set up must be public, not private, must be vested in the Government itself, so that the banks may be the instruments, not the masters, of business and of individual enterprise and initiative." - Woodrow Wilson, in advocating for the Federal Reserve. 

But in fact, this is what "didn't" happen in 2008 and on other prior occasions.  In trying to squelch the speculations of the smaller banks, we were handed to the tender mercies of the big banks.  Eventually thru the BIS and other trans-national banking, we were thrown onto the tender mercies of old world finance.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2017, 09:26:22 AM
More relevant quotes:

“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” - Thomas Jefferson

"THE RESULT IS AN OLIGARCHY OF PRIVATE CAPITAL, THE ENORMOUS POWER OF WHICH CANNOT BE EFFECTIVELY CHECKED EVEN BY A DEMOCRATICALLY ORGANIZED POLITICAL SOCIETY. THIS IS TRUE SINCE THE MEMBERS OF LEGISLATIVE BODIES ARE SELECTED BY POLITICAL PARTIES, LARGELY FINANCED OR OTHERWISE INFLUENCED BY PRIVATE CAPITALISTS WHO, FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES, SEPARATE THE ELECTORATE FROM THE LEGISLATURE...AND CONTROL, DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, THE MAIN SOURCES OF INFORMATION." ALBERT EINSTEIN, 1949

On NYC of Washington DC ...

"...A CITY IN WHICH JUSTICE AND HONOR WERE FOR SALE IN THE MARKETPLACE, AND HUMAN BEINGS WRITHED AND FOUGHT AND FELL UPON EACH OTHER LIKE WOLVES IN A PIT; IN WHICH LUSTS WERE RAGING FIRES, AND MEN WERE FUEL...FOR THE GAME HAD NEVER BEEN FAIR, THE DICE WERE LOADED. THEY WERE SWINDLERS AND THIEVES OF PENNIES AND DIMES, AND THEY HAD BEEN TRAPPED AND PUT OUT OF THE WAY BY THE SWINDLERS AND THIEVES OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.” UPTON SINCLAIR, THE JUNGLE
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SGOS on April 08, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
Our country was founded by an elite group of slave owners with extraordinary brilliance, but overshadowed by self interest.  On paper, the ideology was intoxicating, minus the shadow of slavery, but ideologies get tweaked in such a way that the powerful will bend the system to suit their needs.  These days it's effectively done through convincing propaganda, rather than direct rule.  Once established, inertia sets in and it becomes the norm.  No one in their right mind would allow that to happen without the propaganda.  Madison Avenue turned it into a business.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 08, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
I love a good conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SGOS on April 08, 2017, 11:11:20 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 08, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
I love a good conspiracy theory.
During the Iraq invasion, NPR did an interview with a guy that outlined how Bush was manipulated by his cabinet, heavily weighted by members of New American Century (the neocons), who were able to convince him to invade the Mideast.  The interviewer said, "So you are saying this was a conspiracy."  They guy being interviewed said, "Oh no.  It wasn't a conspiracy.  They had been openly advocating a Mideast invasion since the Elder Bush Administration, as well as the Clinton Administration, but were brushed aside by both administrations as foolish ideologues.  You can go to their website, and read their original plan for invading the Mideast.  It was nothing done in secret, just something few people were paying attention to."
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 08, 2017, 10:26:56 AM
I love a good conspiracy theory.

Founding fathers were conspirators.  Ignore multiple presidents, if you wish.  They were space aliens.

Still working for Allen Dulles?
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gilgamesh on April 11, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
About 6 months ago I got into the truther community. I can't even talk to anyone who doesn't believe there exists a deep state/shadow government anymore. Their understanding of this world is fundamentally different than mine. The sheep will continue to choose sides among the false, manufactured left-right paradigm.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Solomon Zorn on April 11, 2017, 01:54:29 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on April 11, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
About 6 months ago I got into the truther community. I can't even talk to anyone who doesn't believe there exists a deep state/shadow government anymore. Their understanding of this world is fundamentally different than mine. The sheep will continue to choose sides among the false, manufactured left-right paradigm.
Hell  yeah! It's right there on the back, of the inside of Mike Pence's skull...a proper scalping will reveal your mission...enter the maze...
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2017, 06:08:21 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on April 11, 2017, 01:54:29 AM
Hell  yeah! It's right there on the back, of the inside of Mike Pence's skull...a proper scalping will reveal your mission...enter the maze...

Yes ... an actual spy technique from ancient times ... writing on head after head shave, then grow hair back, then go thru enemy lines.

Personally it isn't clear to me, what happened on 9/11, but the idea that George W and Dick are innocent ... is the main conspiracy theory, by the majority.  They aren't choir boys.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2017, 06:10:28 AM
Quote from: Gilgamesh on April 11, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
About 6 months ago I got into the truther community. I can't even talk to anyone who doesn't believe there exists a deep state/shadow government anymore. Their understanding of this world is fundamentally different than mine. The sheep will continue to choose sides among the false, manufactured left-right paradigm.

The actions by the commercial and government leaderships so so bizarre .... I have to at least think they are pulling our legs, if not chopping them off (Procrustes).  Our friends here of course enjoy their red/blue pill ... gotta just smile at that.  Drunkards don't drink too much, just ask any alcoholic.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on April 12, 2017, 03:41:57 AM
Quote from: SGOS on April 08, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
Our country was founded by an elite group of slave owners with extraordinary brilliance, but overshadowed by self interest.  On paper, the ideology was intoxicating, minus the shadow of slavery, but ideologies get tweaked in such a way that the powerful will bend the system to suit their needs.  These days it's effectively done through convincing propaganda, rather than direct rule.  Once established, inertia sets in and it becomes the norm.  No one in their right mind would allow that to happen without the propaganda.  Madison Avenue turned it into a business.

Most people weren't slave-owners.  The majority worked for themselves.  It is typical that people follow the politics of the wealthiest.  And that is not a good way of thinking.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Slave-owning is  bad now. For most of history it just was. Retrofitting today's morality on the 1700s is rather bizarre.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 12, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
These guys control all the world, not just America;
and have control over all kind of media, including the internet; but the most importantly, they have control over the technology...

The reason they spread these things that seem like conspiracy is that they want you to know that they lead the world like they want and you can't do anything as one person...
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 12, 2017, 09:26:51 AM
If they wish you didn't even know about the conspiracy that has been talked to...
The minister of Truth wouldn't let you know... : )
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Gotta love a good conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 12:52:53 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Slave-owning is  bad now. For most of history it just was. Retrofitting today's morality on the 1700s is rather bizarre.

SJWs retrofit present shibboleths to the 1950s, let alone the 1750s.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 12:54:17 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 12, 2017, 09:26:51 AM
If they wish you didn't even know about the conspiracy that has been talked to...
The minister of Truth wouldn't let you know... : )

Even the CIA understands reverse psychology, as part of narrative control.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2017, 12:55:46 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Gotta love a good conspiracy theory.

There is nothing good about human beings.  We are good at patting ourselves on the back, and ticking a shiv in the back of others.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on April 17, 2017, 02:47:19 AM
Slavery is terrible.  But it might be worth remembering that slavery was not originated in the southern US.  Slavery is far more ancient.  People have been enslaved since records of conquests began.  The Romans enslaved individuals from many conquered peoples.  The Moslems valued foreign slaves (the Quaran forbids enslaving fellow moslems).  The Africans enslaved conquered tribes, it goes on and on. 

Slavery has no explicit origin and no culture has been free of it.  In some places, it continues to this day.  It must end.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 17, 2017, 05:24:49 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 17, 2017, 02:47:19 AM
Slavery is terrible.  But it might be worth remembering that slavery was not originated in the southern US.  Slavery is far more ancient.  People have been enslaved since records of conquests began.  The Romans enslaved individuals from many conquered peoples.  The Moslems valued foreign slaves (the Quaran forbids enslaving fellow moslems).  The Africans enslaved conquered tribes, it goes on and on. 

Slavery has no explicit origin and no culture has been free of it.  In some places, it continues to this day.  It must end.

Yes, humanity must end, in the name of stopping the inhumanity.  Are you going to end wage slavery and debt slavery?  You can't be Lincoln, you aren't Obama.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: fencerider on April 20, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
I pledge allegiance to the FED of the United States Corporation. and to the bankers for which it stands, one nation under contract, insoluble. With hubris, ligations, and crisis for all
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on April 21, 2017, 05:00:32 AM
Quote from: fencerider on April 20, 2017, 12:44:29 AM
I pledge allegiance to the FED of the United States Corporation. and to the bankers for which it stands, one nation under contract, insoluble. With hubris, ligations, and crisis for all

One never knows quite how to interpret a weird statement like that...  B+ on the humor, C- on the clarity of meaning.  ;)
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 21, 2017, 06:57:16 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 11:43:43 AM
Gotta love a good conspiracy theory.

Well Assange probably has committed unforgivable crimes ... so the Deep State isn't always wrong.  No government likes transparency.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: fencerider on April 22, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 21, 2017, 05:00:32 AM
One never knows quite how to interpret a weird statement like that...
It means that the conspiracy theories run deep, there are so many that one is likely to be true, and maybe Baruch know more about the matter than he lets on....

If you want to find out for yourself, you'll have to read a good book or two about the creation of the FED and if you got time to fry your brain may as well download the text of the 1913 law that created the FED. Its a nasty piece of work without any conspiracy theories attached.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 22, 2017, 11:20:26 PM
Quote from: fencerider on April 22, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
It means that the conspiracy theories run deep, there are so many that one is likely to be true, and maybe Baruch know more about the matter than he lets on....

If you want to find out for yourself, you'll have to read a good book or two about the creation of the FED and if you got time to fry your brain may as well download the text of the 1913 law that created the FED. Its a nasty piece of work without any conspiracy theories attached.

All Americans are genius founders ... starting with Sir Walter Raleigh and the Roanoke colony ... on down to whatever Democrat is in office today ;-)  Thus whatever did happen in 1913 ... it was for the best ... because geniuses (but not the Pope) approved of it at the time.  Charles Lindberg's father, in Congress at the time, did not.  Take the blue pill or the red pill ... but you must take at least one, if not both.

The US government is currently overrun with Israeli agents ... but Israel doesn't exist ... if you think they do, you have a tin foil hat on.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 23, 2017, 08:13:08 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 21, 2017, 05:00:32 AM
One never knows quite how to interpret a weird statement like that...  B+ on the humor, C- on the clarity of meaning.  ;)
In Baruchistan statement interpret you!
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 23, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 23, 2017, 08:13:08 AM
In Baruchistan statement interpret you!

More true that you might think.  You head is filled with memes from childhood on ... many having been deeply embedded and not discarded or superseded.  You are an ogre, not a parfait.  And it is courtesy of those memes, that you think, speak and write ... including about yourself, and the world around you.  So GS statement interpret GS ... tautology.

The actual statement Cavebear is quoting, is from Fencerider, not moi.  But glad to see Fencerider is one of those who aren't sheeple.

White sheeple, white sheeple, have you any assets ... yes boss, yes boss three banks full.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 23, 2017, 04:43:13 PM
The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word ‘war’, therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist.

â€" George Orwell, 1984

That was written in 1948 ... but it started under Hitler in 1933, and under Churchill and FDR in 1940.  What started in 1940 is ongoing, no matter what President or PM you elect.  That is why Isolationist Trump so quickly became Globalist Trump.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on April 24, 2017, 06:03:31 AM
I looked, but can't find the meaning of "FED" in this context...
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 06:57:14 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 24, 2017, 06:03:31 AM
I looked, but can't find the meaning of "FED" in this context...

Context ...
Great Britain is planning WW I, is building the British Empire, is partnered with the Rothschilds since the founding of the BoE, is trying to reclaim the US per Cecil Rhodes.  They know that a clash with Kaiser Wilhelm (cousin to King George) is inevitable.  Young Winston Churchill is raising an alarm over a "naval gap" that would allow the Kaiser to land troops in Britain during a surprise raid over the North Sea (later he would do the same concerning the rebuilding of the Luftwaffe in the 1930s).

Solution ...
Rebuild central bank for the US (FED), that has been demolished twice before, the last time by President Jackson.  Use that central bank to help finance the war, use the US to help supply the arms and other economic supplies outside the reach of the Kriegsmarine.  Bottle up the Kriegsmarine in the North Sea.

Result ...
Near disaster by 1917, need to jinn up or modify a German diplomatic telegram because French and British manpower is exhausted by the slaughter.  Zimmerman telegram is slipped to the Americans, giving President Wilson his opening for American mobilization against Germany.  If that hadn't happened, then given the Bolshevik Revolution in the Russian Empire, the Germans freed from fighting on two fronts, would have not only had the 1918 spring offensive in France, but they would have won.

The original conspiracy was bringing William of Orange to England, to overthrow King James in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.  The combination of Dutch and English banking produced the BoE.  And the BoE led to the British Empire, and the defeat of Napoleon.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 07:55:16 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 24, 2017, 06:03:31 AM
I looked, but can't find the meaning of "FED" in this context...
Look under "banking".
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SGOS on April 24, 2017, 10:44:53 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 12, 2017, 03:41:57 AM
Most people weren't slave-owners.  The majority worked for themselves.  It is typical that people follow the politics of the wealthiest.  And that is not a good way of thinking.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2017, 07:47:39 AM
Slave-owning is  bad now. For most of history it just was. Retrofitting today's morality on the 1700s is rather bizarre.
I agree, but my point was that the country was set up by the self interests of those who stood to make a lot more money, not the country as a whole, and much of the country was even opposed to setting up a new type of government.  Slavery as you say, "just was",  and remained so, because blacks had no say in the structure of the new government, not because of any moral questions then or now. 

In retrospect, I should not have included the part about slavery, because it implies moral issues were heavily involved in the thought process.  They were to some extent, but it was mostly about the financial gain of the wealthy, which remains at the forefront of our political structure today.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
Most of the people back then didn't expect to have a say in the government or any changes to the governance.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SGOS on April 24, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
Most of the people back then didn't expect to have a say in the government or any changes to the governance.
Judging by today's interest in voting it might be pretty much the same today, I never voted until late in my 20s, mostly because I didn't think I could make any difference.  I still feel that.  Voting for me is mostly out of sense of obligation, but still feels much like a exercise in futility.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: SGOS on April 24, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Judging by today's interest in voting it might be pretty much the same today, I never voted until late in my 20s, mostly because I didn't think I could make any difference.  I still feel that.  Voting for me is mostly out of sense of obligation, but still feels much like a exercise in futility.
The Grim Old Party approves of your attitude.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 12:40:04 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
Most of the people back then didn't expect to have a say in the government or any changes to the governance.

They were realists, and idealists got the rack ;-(
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
Quote from: SGOS on April 24, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Judging by today's interest in voting it might be pretty much the same today, I never voted until late in my 20s, mostly because I didn't think I could make any difference.  I still feel that.  Voting for me is mostly out of sense of obligation, but still feels much like a exercise in futility.

Slavery didn't end.  Lincoln failed on a number of points.  Wage slavery has grown, as had debt slavery.  Chattel slavery continues mostly for prostitutes.  Rich people are slaves to their greed.  Everyone in America was a slave, and still is.  There are no free people here, just idealists with their heads up their asses.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
How old is the Depp state?
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
Slavery did not end, i was modernized,
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 03:25:33 PM
Slavery did not end, i was modernized,
Was you computerized too?
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 03:57:18 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Was you computerized too?

ahahaha

I made a spelling mistake...

Slavery did not end, it was just modernized.
The money the major propotion the people of the world\ or specifically of American people earn is enough only to live from hand to mouth...
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 03:57:18 PM
ahahaha

I made a spelling mistake...

Slavery did not end, it was just modernized.
The money the major propotion the people of the world\ or specifically of American people earn is enough only to live from hand to mouth...
Money's our way of keeping score. And most humans are just a burden on the system anyway.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 04:09:08 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:04:08 PM
Money's our way of keeping score. And most humans are just a burden on the system anyway.

i expected you have approach the problem from the humanist point of view.

do you also believe that depopulation is necessary?

When looking at the rise in the popolation of humans, world will not be supply the water and food required.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 04:09:08 PM
i expected you have approach the problem from the humanist point of view.

do you also believe that depopulation is necessary?

When looking at the rise in the popolation of humans, world will not be [ABLE TO] supply the water and food required.
I think depopulation is inevitable, we're working hard to kill ourselves off.

And, please, proofread your posts, they don't parse easily. See the brackets above and tell me if that's what you meant.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:13:55 PM
I think depopulation is inevitable, we're working hard to kill ourselves off.

And, please, proofread your posts, they don't parse easily. See the brackets above and tell me if that's what you meant.

Thanks for the correction. What i meant was that.

The natural supply of the world will not be able to meet the population need.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
Thanks for the correction. What i meant was that.

The natural supply of the world will not be able to meet the population need.

Yep. Every few years mice in Australia reach plague proportions and literally eat their environment to the point where it can't support them. Millions of mice become millions of starving mice, then millions of dead mice. And this on a local scale, not a global one.

I've seen studies that say Earth could sustain 50,000,000,000 humans. But that presumes that we don't ruin the planet before then.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 01:36:53 PM
How old is the Depp state?

Johnny Depp .. has to be less than 100 years old ;-)  The Deep State goes back to Pharaoh, and his Freemasonic henchmen ;-)
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 07:20:35 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 24, 2017, 04:04:08 PM
Money's our way of keeping score. And most humans are just a burden on the system anyway.

Said like a Deep State Republican ... got a Swiss bank account, or a Paraguay ranch?
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 24, 2017, 07:22:02 PM
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on April 24, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
Thanks for the correction. What i meant was that.

The natural supply of the world will not be able to meet the population need.

Malthus was right, and Darwin was wrong.  Our Malthusian destiny was only delayed, and we can't evolve into our better angels soon enough.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on April 30, 2017, 06:43:40 AM
There are many ways to feed an increased population.  Even now, there is enough overall food to keep everyone from starving.  And there is arable land under-utilized.  The problem is partly inefficient and unprofitable systems. 

And no, I am not a communist.  My dinner choices are beef, chicken, shrimp, pork, and lamb (with lots of veggies).  There are people starving because I will not give up those choices.  I know that.  But I still want my steak once a week.  I want my nice life.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on April 30, 2017, 07:49:21 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on April 30, 2017, 06:43:40 AM
There are many ways to feed an increased population.  Even now, there is enough overall food to keep everyone from starving.  And there is arable land under-utilized.  The problem is partly inefficient and unprofitable systems. 

And no, I am not a communist.  My dinner choices are beef, chicken, shrimp, pork, and lamb (with lots of veggies).  There are people starving because I will not give up those choices.  I know that.  But I still want my steak once a week.  I want my nice life.

Americans throw out enough leftovers (at restaurants) to feed another nation half our size.  Eat at home, cook your own, eat what is on your plate, put leftovers in fridge but don't forget them as a biology experiment.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: missingnocchi on May 01, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Happy May Day everybody

We can win if we can just find a way to cure the cancer that's so contagious among latin american socialists
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on May 01, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Quote from: missingnocchi on May 01, 2017, 06:56:35 PM
Happy May Day everybody

We can win if we can just find a way to cure the cancer that's so contagious among latin american socialists

Pinochet is controlled opposition from the Right ... isn't Maduro controlled opposition from the Left?  The common link would be Henry Kissinger.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: missingnocchi on May 01, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Quote from: Baruch on May 01, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Pinochet is controlled opposition from the Right ... isn't Maduro controlled opposition from the Left?  The common link would be Henry Kissinger.

Maduro came to power when a certain perennial CIA target fought and lost against the big C. Five years later, millions of Venezolanos are fleeing into Colombia.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on May 02, 2017, 05:53:27 AM
Quote from: missingnocchi on May 01, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Maduro came to power when a certain perennial CIA target fought and lost against the big C. Five years later, millions of Venezolanos are fleeing into Colombia.

Correct, his career might be a fantasy taken off a tabloid at the grocery store ... Bat Boy meets Godzilla.  And Maduro's wife reminds me of Hillary.  No similarity to the US at all.  President Chavez tried to do right by Venezuela.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: fencerider on May 06, 2017, 04:56:05 PM
dont forget we still have Cuba to play with; just because Obama gave them a break doesnt mean McConnell or McCain want to
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on May 06, 2017, 05:36:23 PM
Quote from: fencerider on May 06, 2017, 04:56:05 PM
dont forget we still have Cuba to play with; just because Obama gave them a break doesnt mean McConnell or McCain want to

Capitalists sadist need to keep their Marxist boy-toys around ;-(
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on May 07, 2017, 07:04:57 AM
Real Deep State ... 1963 - 1990

http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/former_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_cias_history_faulty_intelligence_20170428

The story correlates with all the other stuff I have read ... USA = Mordor
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Cavebear on May 09, 2017, 04:39:38 AM
South America is becoming perilously close to becoming like Africa.  Fanatical left and right wing politics, economic failure, currency problems, desperate emigration, and social inequality.  It varies from country to country, but I do not envy them.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Baruch on May 09, 2017, 06:28:20 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on May 09, 2017, 04:39:38 AM
South America is becoming perilously close to becoming like Africa.  Fanatical left and right wing politics, economic failure, currency problems, desperate emigration, and social inequality.  It varies from country to country, but I do not envy them.

Always a toss up.  Local corruption creates bad results, or Yankee interference creates bad results.  The US and Canada aren't as far from that as one might hope.
Title: Re: Deep State now past 100 years old ...
Post by: Unbeliever on May 09, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: fencerider on April 22, 2017, 05:32:07 PM
It means that the conspiracy theories run deep, there are so many that one is likely to be true,

Ha! That's one of the things I've heard from Christians - there are so many arguments for God's existence that one of them must be true... :headscratch: