Hello guys, I wanted to thank you so far for answering my questions, all answers are much appreciated and most were very logical and rational, which is what I was looking for.
Today I wanted to ask you guys what you think of OBEs. I am not exactly sure what to make of it. I have read that G Force pilots sometimes have OBEs while they are in flight simulator, as the brain loses blood, oxygen, and is confused. Therefore, from that it would make the most sense to assume that OBEs are a result of a confused brain, struggling to locate exactly where it is in relation to the body. However, I have noticed that some of these OBEs that you read about, from Dr. Jeffrey Long, from Peter Fenwick, sound a bit complicated. For example, people will report floating to another room and obtaining information that they could not have obtained. My aunt had an OBE where she apparently floating outside the hospital, and saw her son with a cigarette in his mouth. Apparently, that was the first time he ever did it, so it was believed that she could not have known that if it wasn't for the OBE. Other people claim to have left hospitals, gone to a friend's house, and confirmed later on that what they saw their friend doing actually occurred. One case was interesting where a guy dreamed that his friend died. She actually got into an accident that day, and he didn't know. Then she apparently had an OBE where she floated to his house and saw him sleeping.
It is experiences like this that make me wonder. They sound too complex for the brain to make up. What are your opinions?
Burden of proof on you.
You should go to a forum where people believe that sort of stuff.
I knew a girl whose cousin's aunt said she watched as her dad died 16 times on the table and he still lived and told her he walked with Abe Lincoln on the Titanic...so.....that's pretty fucking awesome too! How u splain dat bitches?
Quote from: aitm on April 06, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
I knew a girl whose cousin's aunt said she watched as her dad died 16 times on the table and he still lived and told her he walked with Abe Lincoln on the Titanic...so.....that's pretty fucking awesome too! How u splain dat bitches?
You're not messing around taken too many of those pills you've been working on, are you?
Quote from: aitm on April 06, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
I knew a girl whose cousin's aunt said she watched as her dad died 16 times on the table and he still lived and told her he walked with Abe Lincoln on the Titanic...so.....that's pretty fucking awesome too! How u splain dat bitches?
Easy. Holograms.
There was an actual experiment that tended to disconfirm such Out of Body Experiences. They had a person who might have such, lay on a bed, where there was a self above the head of the bead, that had something in it, that you couldn't see from the bed, but you could see if you were high above the bed. Presumably an Out of Body Experience would lead to the sick person looking down and seeing the object. People who did have Out of Body Experiences on that bed, never noticed that there was something interesting above their heads.
Quote from: Baruch on April 06, 2017, 11:13:22 PM
There was an actual experiment that tended to disconfirm such Out of Body Experiences. They had a person who might have such, lay on a bed, where there was a self above the head of the bead, that had something in it, that you couldn't see from the bed, but you could see if you were high above the bed. Presumably an Out of Body Experience would lead to the sick person looking down and seeing the object. People who did have Out of Body Experiences on that bed, never noticed that there was something interesting above their heads.
An actual experiment? Interesting, and yet I've read at least one anecdotal testimony (third or fourth hand) that the exact same feat was accomplished during one survivor's NDE. I wonder if he got the idea for the anecdote after hearing of the experiment? I even wonder if such a "he" actually existed? You can't argue with anecdotal testimony. If one says his second cousin actually did that, the experimental data must be overturned.
Quote from: SGOS on April 07, 2017, 06:25:14 AM
An actual experiment? Interesting, and yet I've read at least one anecdotal testimony (third or fourth hand) that the exact same feat was accomplished during one survivor's NDE. I wonder if he got the idea for the anecdote after hearing of the experiment? I even wonder if such a "he" actually existed? You can't argue with anecdotal testimony. If one says his second cousin actually did that, the experimental data must be overturned.
http://www.newser.com/story/103856/hospitals-try-to-prove-out-of-body-experiences.html
This was awhile ago ... no confirmation?
My opinion: they involve some damn good drugs.
I was a little boy the first time I had a dream about flying. How does the brain work? Somehow it can figure out how a house and tree look from above when one has no real idea what it would look like...and later life finds it to be perfect in it's vision. Da brain....pretty cool thing man...like...it's da bomb.
Clearly, we dream the craziest things when we are asleep. Heck, I even once had a nightmare where I was having sex with my mother.
When an individual is dying, the brain goes into overdrive with scenarios that are not realistic.
It is that simple.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/kkVcsMZkP2k
For the last fucking time! The brain does strange things when deprived of oxygen!
Quote from: Jason78 on April 08, 2017, 08:32:40 AM
For the last fucking time! The brain does strange things when deprived of oxygen!
Ultimately you die if deprived long enough. Then things get really weird, not just partly dead, but fully dead. And nobody reports on what that is like.
Quote from: Baruch on April 08, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Ultimately you die if deprived long enough. Then things get really weird, not just partly dead, but fully dead. And nobody reports on what that is like.
I recall an account of some medieval forerunner of science who was about to be sent to the gallows. He and a friend were wondering how fast death would come after the beheading. His friend helpfully offered that it would be instantaneous, and the scientist asked him to attend his beheading, and said he would attempt blink his eyes when his head was in the basket, and asked his friend to record the results. I can't remember what the results were, but I was impressed with the scientist's dedication to experimental test results.
Probably Lavoisier ... he was an inventor of chemistry. And as a royal tax collector, lost any further opportunities to advance science.
My mother's NDE.
She was in the hospital recovering from a knee replacement surgery. She was an insulin taking diabetic as well. The night nurse somehow managed to give her a double dose of her evening insulin shot. My mom recalled awaking and feeling very shaky (as one does when one's blood sugar dips too low) and very cold. She 'saw' Earth beneath her and she was slowly moving away. She picked up speed and the Earth and light began growing dimmer and dimmer. She was at the point when there would be no light and she realized with a start that she was not finished yet--her boys still needed her and she began what she said was a huge struggle to get back to earth before the dark swallowed her up totally. After what seemed a huge and very long struggle she made it back to her hospital bed, rang the nurse and explained how she was feeling. She recovered. Her NDE was sort of in reverse of the 'follow the light' types. She was following the dark and had to make an effort to get to the light which was her hospital room. She was not, before or after this incident, religious. She was not sure about reincarnation or life after death but figured the most likely thing is that we die and that is it. Both my grandfather (on my mother's side) and her told me that they would contact me if at all possible. So far, dead silence.
I've had many out of booty experiences. Six months at sea will do that to you.
Quote from: Baruch on April 08, 2017, 11:47:49 AM
Probably Lavoisier ... he was an inventor of chemistry. And as a royal tax collector, lost any further opportunities to advance science.
I read that account so long ago, not even that little jog helps. But it could have been him.
Quote from: SGOS on April 08, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
I read that account so long ago, not even that little jog helps. But it could have been him.
http://wtffunfact.com/post/80114469400/antoine-lavoisier-18th-century-french-chemist
When the brain is failing, odd connections happen. We "know" we should imagine past experiences the same way we "know" what aliens look like. There are common cultural references.