#NOTALLMUSLIMS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl6_6eNCMTM&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5O1WeD-k-Q
He was a man, so kick all men out of the UK.
The UK which taught the US how to be corrupt ... can't be trusted. So to what extent was this an attempt by the Powers That Be to prevent Brexit?
Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2017, 07:04:30 AM
The UK which taught the US how to be corrupt ... can't be trusted. So to what extent was this an attempt by the Powers That Be to prevent Brexit?
I don't see how this act helps or hinders Brexit. If there is a government conspiracy here, it must have been planned by someone with a PhD in the Psychology of Convoluted Mental Dynamics and Mob Motivation. But then, I'm just a lightweight when it comes to Mob Psychology.
Of course none of this has anything to do with the peaceful and tolerant Islam.
However: open to interpretation,
QuoteQuran 9:111 â€" “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.â€
Quote from: Atheon on March 23, 2017, 05:41:45 AM
He was a man, so kick all men out of the UK.
He also had hair I betya. You know what "those" people are like.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
Of course none of this has anything to do with the peaceful and tolerant Islam.
However: open to interpretation,
I've only read a couple of articles, but the only thing I've read is that police suspect terrorism. I haven't read that the perp is a Muslim, or if he is tied to some organization, or if he was just your garden variety maniac. The media so far has been avoiding speculation, and what I've read seems to be limited to the information provided by the police. I don't get TV so I'm not bombarded by a constant flow of opinion, although I'm guessing Google might be sorting out what they feed me through some algorithm determined by my personal internet patterns.
Once it is confirmed that he is a Muslim, I'm guessing I'll start seeing opinion feeds, but they haven't shown up yet.
Well, I have read that the perp was a member of the religion of peace.
Naturally the MSM wants to keep this part out of the narrative.
But, if it was a Right wing Christian, you would have read it on the front page of every news outlet even before the bodies got cold.
I bet a years pension that he was a Muslim.
See the photo of the perp on the gurney receiving medical attention, and pay attention to the beard.
Thats a giveaway.
(https://cdn.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/London-attacker.jpg)
Whoops! I spoke to soon. I just read this:
QuoteQuoteLONDON â€" A British-born man who was once investigated for connections to violent extremism carried out the deadly attack outside Parliament in London on Wednesday, according to Prime Minister Theresa May...
officials were not ready to release the man’s name, but she added that “there was no prior evidence of his intent or of the plot†and that “our working assumption is that the attacker was inspired by Islamist ideology.â€
So now the cat is coming out of the bag. I, apparently like most others, try not jump to Islamic terrorism anytime there's a mass murder, at least not in public statements, but you can't help wondering what the cat is going to look like when it comes out. And it does seem that 9 times out of 10, it's related to Islam.
That is the first photo, where the man's face was actually shown, but I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of that guy's feet sticking out from the hover of attendants. And for some reason, I figured that he must have been the perp. Not sure why, maybe because the photos of all the other victims were being helped by civilians without so much police attention.
QuoteUnsurprisingly for a multicultural city like London â€" where a moment of silence was held at 9:33 a.m. on Thursday, to be followed by a vigil in the evening â€" people from several nationalities were among the victims, Mr. Rowley said. He appealed for calm, saying, “We must not allow terrorists to sow discord and fear in our city.â€
Of course, it does sow discord and fear. That's kind of the point. Strange business, terrorism. I guess it's effective, although it seems like a poor strategy long term.
Always best to wait for the reasoning behind it. One could make the assumption this was islamic terrorism, but they need more information. If the man was mentally ill or an escapee from a mental asylum, then even if this was motivated by belief, their could be many more contributing factors involved. Wait for more info to come out.
Years ago when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead, the press accused him of being a suicide bomber, but it was later confirmed he wasn't. And while this current case the assailant was out to kill, you could make up anything about his motivations before the facts come out.
That said, if it was religiously motivated, the government will try to cover it up as not to 'offend anyone'.
A moment of silence and a vigil. Possibly with candles, flowers, and teddy bears.
Yeah, that will help a lot. We are good at that. Practice makes perfect.
Until the next time. Then wash, rinse, repeat.
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/03/GettyImages-517041348.jpg)
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 08:25:11 AM
A moment of silence and a vigil. Possibly with candles, flowers, and teddy bears.
Yeah, that will help a lot. We are good at that. Practice makes perfect.
Until the next time. Then wash, rinse, repeat.
shits always gonna go down like this, regardless of what someones beliefs or opposing beliefs are.
Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
Always best to wait for the reasoning behind it. One could make the assumption this was islamic terrorism, but they need more information. If the man was mentally ill or an escapee from a mental asylum, then even if this was motivated by belief, their could be many more contributing factors involved. Wait for more info to come out.
Years ago when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead, the press accused him of being a suicide bomber, but it was later confirmed he wasn't. And while this current case the assailant was out to kill, you could make up anything about his motivations before the facts come out.
That said, if it was religiously motivated, the government will try to cover it up as not to 'offend anyone'.
Right. here is the form.
Some suggestions:
[_] Lone wolf
[_] Mental problems
[_] Disenfranchised
[_] Socio economic reasons
[_] Misinterpreted the Quran
[_] Hijacked the peaceful religion
[_] Not a true Muslim
[_] Nothing to do with Islam
[_] Trump's fault
One of the largest terrorist groups in the US is the KKK. They're Christians.
The KKK? of course they are.
Since 9/11 the KKK have perpetrated more than 30,499 (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) terrorist attacks in the US alone.
The media has kept it quiet. Why the cover up?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 23, 2017, 08:39:58 AM
One of the largest terrorist groups in the US is the KKK. They're Christians.
Yeah, but these days, I'm not sure what they are up to. Go to meetings and hear the Grand Exalted Poobah nostalgically reminisce about the old days, and afterwards everyone plays cards wearing their spooky outfits?
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 08:46:14 AM
The KKK? of course they are.
Since 9/11 the KKK have perpetrated more than 30,499 (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) terrorist attacks in the US alone.
The media has kept it quiet. Why the cover up?
Because it's not news. Dog bites man.
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Yeah, but these days, I'm not sure what they are up to. Go to meetings and hear the Grand Exalted Poobah nostalgically reminisce about the old days, and afterwards everyone plays cards wearing their spooky outfits?
I can get you into a KKK meeting, my cousin's are members.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on March 23, 2017, 08:51:52 AM
I can get you into a KKK meeting, my cousin's are members.
That would be interesting for sure, but I think I'm going to pass on that one. I know how this works: You show up as the new guy, and the next thing you know, they've got you going door to door shooting people.
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 08:56:39 AM
That would be interesting for sure, but I think I'm going to pass on that one. I know how this works: You show up as the new guy, and the next thing you know, they've got you going door to door shooting people.
Don't forget the burning of crosses on the front lawn. And the lynchings. Hangings.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Don't forget the burning of crosses on the front lawn. And the lynchings. Hangings.
I'm only really interested in the outfits, but I'd only wear one around the house when I'm watching television.
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
I'm only really interested in the outfits, but I'd only wear one around the house when I'm watching television.
You must have high ceilings.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 09:34:36 AM
You must have high ceilings.
Maybe I'd only wear the hat when I'm sitting down.
Holy week in Spain
The origin of the KKK outfit.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&hl=en&q=spain%20holy%20week&ved=0ahUKEwi0xICS4uzSAhWmD8AKHXx8At8QsKwBCCsoAzAB&biw=1024&bih=729&dpr=2#imgrc=nN-vAODVO-vp4M:
Ha! I never made the connection, but it does look plausible.
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 08:56:39 AM
That would be interesting for sure, but I think I'm going to pass on that one. I know how this works: You show up as the new guy, and the next thing you know, they've got you going door to door shooting people.
Not so much. They're pretty much cowards, so they'd be shooting a long gun from the next hill.
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 10:36:16 AM
Ha! I never made the connection, but it does look plausible.
You should attend a Robert Langdon lecture some time!
Yo, PR, another hyphenated American in the new for making bomb threats! Check the NYT.
And in Antwerp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4342446/Man-arrested-trying-drive-car-crowd.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
And in Italy
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2017/03/22/north-african-runs-road-block-stabs-police_a0e288d4-85e1-4a0b-a238-d80e630ed9c6.html
I really wanna know when any of the regular posters here have said Islam is a religion of peace.
Well, the favorite mantra is #NOTALLMUSLIMS.
There are just a tiny minority TM of misunderstanders hijacking the noble religion. No one knows why.
The vast majority (99.999999%) is peaceful. Nothing to worry about.
There are two versions of the Quran. One edition is for the "radicals" and the other is for the rest.
Once again, who the fuck among us has propped up Islam as some noble religion? Most of us have explicitly said it's a horrible religion. We just can't get on board with this "every Muslim is a jihadist ready to cut off your fucking head" mentality you seem to have.
But you know, go on hiding in the bushes. Those Muslims and cultural Marxists are hiding behind every corner, in every shadow. Don't sleep, because once you close your eyes they'll get you!
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 23, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
Once again, who the fuck among us has propped up Islam as some noble religion. Most of us have explicitly said it's a horrible religion? We just can't get on board with this "every Muslim is a jihadist ready to cut off your fucking head" mentality you seem to have.
But you know, go on hiding in the bushes. Those Muslims and cultural Marxists are hiding behind every corner, in every shadow. Don't sleep, because once you close your eyes they'll get you!
Cultural Marxist Muslims ... oh my!
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 23, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
I really wanna know when any of the regular posters here have said Islam is a religion of peace.
Not even I. Humans are killer apes ... no peace there.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 09:55:15 AM
Holy week in Spain
The origin of the KKK outfit.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&hl=en&q=spain%20holy%20week&ved=0ahUKEwi0xICS4uzSAhWmD8AKHXx8At8QsKwBCCsoAzAB&biw=1024&bih=729&dpr=2#imgrc=nN-vAODVO-vp4M:
The burning cross is Scottish (to rally the clans). So you don't like other Europeans now?
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 08:50:18 AM
Yeah, but these days, I'm not sure what they are up to. Go to meetings and hear the Grand Exalted Poobah nostalgically reminisce about the old days, and afterwards everyone plays cards wearing their spooky outfits?
Shuffleboard and bingo.
Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2017, 12:46:49 PM
Cultural Marxist Muslims ... oh my!
Jesus Christ that is terrifying.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 23, 2017, 12:50:08 PM
Jesus Christ that is terrifying.
I knew you were heading for the monastery ;-) Usually though, monks are mostly afraid of nuns.
Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
Always best to wait for the reasoning behind it. One could make the assumption this was islamic terrorism, but they need more information. If the man was mentally ill or an escapee from a mental asylum, then even if this was motivated by belief, their could be many more contributing factors involved. Wait for more info to come out.
Years ago when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead, the press accused him of being a suicide bomber, but it was later confirmed he wasn't. And while this current case the assailant was out to kill, you could make up anything about his motivations before the facts come out.
That said, if it was religiously motivated, the government will try to cover it up as not to 'offend anyone'.
It was confirmed that he was a bad dude, known to the police, and convicted of crimes previously. A thug, with a beard ... and "death by cop". People do that, not just Muslims.
As much as you all know I think pr is a crazy paranoid old fart, it's pretty hard to ignore the high rate of Muslims that are carrying out these large scale attacks.
And of course I do not imply that all Muslims are this extreme. A very large percentage aren't.
If there is a connection to the fact that they belong to the Islamic faith, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on the correlation and the causation. But the high rate of people that belong to Islamic faith is undeniable. And we also know, by looking at their middle east, where Islam is not only the majority, it's the law, it's even worse. They're a mess in their own countries that they come from.
But I dare not mention that...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 23, 2017, 12:58:34 PM
As much as you all know I think pr is a crazy paranoid old fart, it's pretty hard to ignore the high rate of Muslims that are carrying out these large scale attacks.
And of course I do not imply that all Muslims are this extreme. A very large percentage aren't.
If there is a connection to the fact that they belong to the Islamic faith, I don't know. I'm not going to comment on the correlation and the causation. But the high rate of people that belong to Islamic faith is undeniable. And we also know, by looking at their middle east, where Islam is not only the majority, it's the law, it's even worse. They're a mess in their own countries that they come from.
But I dare not mention that...
Cruelty of numbers. Say you have one million Muslim immigrants. Say 1% are crazy murdering fuckers. That means you have 10,000 guys out to decapitate you or burn you alive ... not a happy prospect. This worked great for the Brown Shirts in Germany.
There is a sort of solidarity among Muslims on the basis of religion, especially among Sunnis. It's sort of like a national identity almost. Not every Muslim is going to respond, but some of the more religious ones or loner types will easily pick up on this idea that these foreign powers are killing innocent Muslims.
Think about how fucking pissed most Americans were after 9/11. We may not have ever been to New York or known anyone affected, but they were Americans dammit!
Now imagine a Muslim who identifies just as strongly with other Muslims reading about weddings being bombed. Of course this doesn't explain all jihadists. I don't know the solution to this, but it's not to treat them like shit.
Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
Cruelty of numbers. Say you have one million Muslim immigrants. Say 1% are crazy murdering fuckers. That means you have 10,000 guys out to decapitate you or burn you alive ... not a happy prospect. This worked great for the Brown Shirts in Germany.
My point is that the demographic of people carrying out these very violent and large scale attacks have been Muslim, and increasingly so. I'm in no way saying to ban them as a whole, but it's also not a good idea to ignore this.
I saw some tweet last night that I liked
' "That zebra's white!"
"That zebra's black AND white"
"Are you saying that zebra's black???" '
By simply mentioning there is additional things to include, you're seen as someone that is saying something completely contrary and in complete disagreement. It's fallacious. This can not keep going. We need to look at this objectively.
That tweet isn't just something that represents liberals. It's representational of conservatives too. In fact it's representational of people as a whole. If we hear something that doesn't 100% confirm our statement, we tend to, for the most part, see it as a disagreement and we then need to defend our biases. That is an emotional response though. This is not a time for emotional responses. We need some compassion for the people trying to flee their volatile country, yes, but we still need to take care of this with an analytic mindset.
Well, I don't howl with the pack.
I guess that makes me an outcast. And an individual. No groupthink for me.
Do I care? Not at all.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Well, I don't howl with the pack.
I guess that makes me an outcast. And an individual. No groupthink for me.
Do I care? Not at all.
*gets called out for stupidity*
"Durr I'm a free thinker can't handle muh freeze peach I don't care!"
Every time
Free thinking.
Apprently it is verboten on the college campus.
Free thinking = whining like a little baby every time you get called out, saying "I don't care", bitching that your opponent asked you to use a reputable source, and assuming everyone who disagrees with you must either be a college student or have some boner for Islam. Got it.
Called out? On what? Am I telling lies? Making things up?
No. This is just difference of opinions. I have mine, you have yours.
No cry baby involved.
https://youtu.be/k-hjTQMtqU0
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 23, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
Once again, who the fuck among us has propped up Islam as some noble religion? Most of us have explicitly said it's a horrible religion. We just can't get on board with this "every Muslim is a jihadist ready to cut off your fucking head" mentality you seem to have.
But you know, go on hiding in the bushes. Those Muslims and cultural Marxists are hiding behind every corner, in every shadow. Don't sleep, because once you close your eyes they'll get you!
No one is propping up Islam, but some have summarized the problem as being almost all about culture rather than a specific religion which can seem like they are defending Islam when they really aren't, but I would agree that they are giving Islam itself too much of a pass when talking about culture. No doubt culture plays a huge part in things, and Muslims are of course capable of becoming moderate like many have in the West, but when it comes down to it, I still think that Islam is the worst religion out there at this moment in time and that we should acknowledge that.
As far as a solution to the terrorist attacks Muslims carry out in the West? There is no solution because there is no problem. The West bombs Muslims around the world, Muslims naturally get pissed off and hit back. Win win for Western governments. You bomb them and you profit, they hit you back and you profit by getting to take away more civil liberties and ramping up even more support for the wars.
Don't forget those sweet arms deals.
When one says the west bombed muslims, I understand that the governments and its military bombed them without the civilians consent or approval.
The Muslims are in response terrorizing, killing civilians with the...ahem... governments approval.
Is that just ok? Is it then deserved? We the civilians jus take it, and have no say in the matter?
How so?
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on March 23, 2017, 02:01:28 PM
No one is propping up Islam, but some have summarized the problem as being almost all about culture rather than a specific religion which can seem like they are defending Islam when they really aren't, but I would agree that they are giving Islam itself too much of a pass when talking about culture. No doubt culture plays a huge part in things, and Muslims are of course capable of becoming moderate like many have in the West, but when it comes down to it, I still think that Islam is the worst religion out there at this moment in time and that we should acknowledge that.
As far as a solution to the terrorist attacks Muslims carry out in the West? There is no solution because there is no problem. The West bombs Muslims around the world, Muslims naturally get pissed off and hit back. Win win for Western governments. You bomb them and you profit, they hit you back and you profit by getting to take away more civil liberties and ramping up even more support for the wars.
Almost fully agreed, except religion is culture so you can't really call them two things.
Also, it's not just bombing; we, and particularly the British, have been overthrowing their governments and exploiting their economies, amongst all other sorts of corruption and fuckery, for generations. That is not a wound that heals quickly.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 02:33:08 PM
When one says the west bombed muslims, I understand that the governments and its military bombed them without the civilians consent or approval.
The Muslims are in response terrorizing, killing civilians with the...ahem... governments approval.
Is that just ok? Is it then deserved? We the civilians jus take it, and have no say in the matter?
How so?
Yes, you do just have to take the attacks and have no say in the matter. Sadly, I don't see the wars in the middle east stopping any time soon, so the terrorist attacks won't either. No, it's not deserved, but life isn't fair. This attack in London was a tragedy for the victims and their families and there's nothing wrong with being angry about it because these attacks suck. Islam sucks too, but the west is kind of at war with a lot of Muslims right now, so I think the bombing and wars might have something to do with these attacks happening, rather than "They did it because of their religion." I wish they didn't go after civilians either, but what can be expected when the west bombs hospitals and weddings? Going after civilians is more terrorizing to the public at large, so that's probably part of the reason the Muslim terrorists do that. They're also easier targets.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 23, 2017, 04:49:21 PM
Almost fully agreed, except religion is culture so you can't really call them two things.
Also, it's not just bombing; we, and particularly the British, have been overthrowing their governments and exploiting their economies, amongst all other sorts of corruption and fuckery, for generations. That is not a wound that heals quickly.
Does that give justification for citizens in America and the UK to die because of that?
Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
Does that give justification for citizens in America and the UK to die because of that?
Not sure how you extrapolated that from my comments, but okay.
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 01:18:52 PM
Well, I don't howl with the pack.
I guess that makes me an outcast. And an individual. No groupthink for me.
Do I care? Not at all.
Particularly when the pack is lemmings, not wolves, and they are heading for the cliff!
Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2017, 05:55:36 PM
Does that give justification for citizens in America and the UK to die because of that?
Should Churchill surgically kill only SS members? You are at war, and are deluded into not thinking you are (I think the US is more deluded and isolated than Britain of course). Civilians always die in wars, it is why there are wars. To reduce the excess population and to act as a lesson for "the others". Had I been alive then, I would be perfectly fine killing German, Italian or Japanese civilians. It is more efficient to kill their military ... just ask their military to all stand still in one place, so we might more easily accomplish that. Also stop with the righteousness ... that other Europeans are so much superior to the Germans/Italians. We aren't. The first concentration camps against civilians, were against the Boers, in the Boer war ... and were built by the British. The US was waterboarding prisoners during the Philippine Insurrection over 100 years ago.
Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
Should Churchill surgically kill only SS members? You are at war, and are deluded into not thinking you are (I think the US is more deluded and isolated than Britain of course). Civilians always die in wars, it is why there are wars. To reduce the excess population and to act as a lesson for "the others". Had I been alive then, I would be perfectly fine killing German, Italian or Japanese civilians. It is more efficient to kill their military ... just ask their military to all stand still in one place, so we might more easily accomplish that. Also stop with the righteousness ... that other Europeans are so much superior to the Germans/Italians. We aren't. The first concentration camps against civilians, were against the Boers, in the Boer war ... and were built by the British. The US was waterboarding prisoners during the Philippine Insurrection over 100 years ago.
does that mean hiroshima was a good idea? That was the ultimate solution after all.
An extremist carried out a religiously-motivated terrorist attack? Pff, next you'll be telling me that bears shit in the woods.
When I watched theresa may's speech, it honestly didn't feel that remarkable, just pretty much like a word salad as a means to calm the citizenry down, which as a political leader is kind of expected, but nothing much else. The irony being though that while she talked about london being such a mixed community and how terrorism won't stop it being so, as if to express the freedoms london upholds, it feels quite jarring that should someone so much as criticize the direct influence of this terror attack, then such 'freedoms' would be shot down to express it.
After all she said it herself, it was a terror attack, and she did bring up multiculturalism into it.. just.. you know, all except what the cause of it actually was. #religionofpeace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtBLS1QY-A&t=0s
Quote from: pr126 on March 23, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
Well, the favorite mantra is #NOTALLMUSLIMS.
So you agree nobody's said "Islam is a religion of peace."
Quote from: SGOS on March 23, 2017, 07:57:45 AM
A British-born man who was once investigated for connections to violent extremism ....
but she added that “there was no prior evidence of his intent or of the plotâ€
:confused3:
Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
does that mean hiroshima was a good idea? That was the ultimate solution after all.
Unfortunately yes ... as has been argued here before. A necessary tragedy. I would prefer if the Japanese would have chosen proper Buddhism ... 20 million Chinese wouldn't have died. If the Germans had been as civilized as Beethoven, 26 million Russians/Jews wouldn't have died. Before Hiroshima, Britain and the US bombed Hamburg, Dresden and Berlin to ashes. The US by itself burned Tokyo and other major Japanese cities to ashes ... deliberately with incendiaries. Hiroshima was left untouched, to specifically maximize the effect of the Bomb on Japanese psychology. War is nasty business, tragically necessary. Would you prefer to die in a Nazi death camp for the crime of being gay ... as would have happened in Britain, if y'all weren't good old vicious killers? The US wouldn't have allied with Britain, unless y'all got rid of Neville ... and stood up to the Vichy French. Churchill was a born killer. The only one who could stand up to Hitler at that time. The original intent was to use the Bomb on the Germans, because they had a particular justice coming ... but they surrendered too soon, thanks to the efforts of Uncle Joe.
Quote from: aitm on March 23, 2017, 09:16:33 PM
:confused3:
Usually this happens in the US, when the FBI coaxes some idiots into a false flag (that then gets nipped at the last minute). Without coaching by the authorities, most criminals don't talk before hand.
Woo calm thy hooves, this feels like the most aggressive I've seen you get, which is great, but let me just validate my position. War is hell, anyone knows that, and world peace is a delusion thought up by potheads, but that doesn't mean one can't look at the contributing factors of societal discord.
I am of the nihilistic opinion that there's just to many human beings on the planet fucking everything else up, but I don't like seeing people suffer either, so there's no happy medium. I'm surprised I've not turned to pot like my brother has.
I hate aggression and violence too ... but am prepared to temporarily suspend my personal preferences when called for. Hiroshima wasn't humane. But things had gotten way past humane. The servicemen and servicewomen are the first (but not the last) to suffer when the politicians get stupid. Good thing Germany was led by a corporal, Italy by a journalist, and Japan by a marine biologist. Shia LaBeouf seems to match Mussolini, as does Trump.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on March 23, 2017, 01:37:20 PM
Free thinking = whining like a little baby every time you get called out, saying "I don't care", bitching that your opponent asked you to use a reputable source, and assuming everyone who disagrees with you must either be a college student or have some boner for Islam. Got it.
Crybaby? Me? Projecting much? LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZ1vMc6CNQ&spfreload=10
when reality contradicts your delusions
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Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 01:48:51 AM
Crybaby? Me? Projecting much? LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZ1vMc6CNQ&spfreload=10
When everyone sees the same thing besides you, you might desire to take a bit more time for some introspection.
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 01:48:51 AM
Crybaby? Me? Projecting much? LOL.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeZ1vMc6CNQ&spfreload=10
when reality contradicts your delusions
Stressed much? (http://eagnews.org/universities-offer-play-doh-therapy-dogs-coloring-books-safe-spaces-for-students-hurt-by-election/)
I don't think you realize how irrational you look when you post bullshit like this, pr
So is anyone else going to acknowledge the fact that these large scale attacks are primarily carried out by muslims? No? OK.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 02:10:55 AM
So is anyone else going to acknowledge the fact that these large scale attacks are primarily carried out by muslims? No? OK.
I will (in terms of attacks in the West, anyways). I just think there are deeper causes than them being Muslim.
Edit: And since a previous statement was apparently interpreted as saying I support it...
>>>That does not mean I think Islam is not a factor, just not the cause or a primary factor<<<
Edit Edit: Actually, I will say it's a primary factor, just not in the way a lot of people mean that.
QuoteI don't think you realize how irrational you look when you post bullshit like this, pr
More irrational as the people in the video?
Quote from: Shiranu on March 24, 2017, 02:12:27 AM
I will (in terms of attacks in the West, anyways). I just think there are deeper causes than them being Muslim.
That's all I'm asking for.
Like I said. I cannot say it's just at the face-value of them being muslim, but the fact remains that this is the demographic.
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 02:12:49 AM
More irrational as the people in the video?
I think you meant "than" in place of "as".
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 02:12:49 AM
More irrational as the people in the video?
Yes. Because seem to think that it's the norm, which it is not.
So yes. Absolutely more irrational.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 02:15:26 AM
Yes. Because seem to think that it's the norm, which it is not.
So yes. Absolutely more irrational.
No, I do not think is is the norm. Thankfully, it isn't.
But there are enough irrational people on the other side of the pond.
The video I have posted in reply to The Skeletal Atheist calling me a crybaby. That is all.
Read into it what you will.
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 02:35:34 AM
Read into it what you will.
That you're a crybaby.
You're welcome.
Quote from: Sorginak on March 24, 2017, 02:37:07 AM
That you're a crybaby.
You're welcome.
Well said.
He is well sad.
The irrelevance of the peaceful majority.
Brigitte Gabriel (ACT) explains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbs81tzH9oc
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 03:12:59 AM
The irrelevance of the peaceful majority.
Brigitte Gabriel (ACT) explains:
I am not going to watch a video.
Seriously, have you become so intellectually retarded that you can no longer explain anything in your own words?
Do you see me posting videos?
No, it is because I know how to use my words to convey what I want.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 02:10:55 AM
So is anyone else going to acknowledge the fact that these large scale attacks are primarily carried out by muslims? No? OK.
I didn't quote you directly, but I did acknowledge it and even offered a potential explanation for this phenomenon (aside from Islam being a shit religion, which plays into it) on the same page you made that observation.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 02:10:55 AM
So is anyone else going to acknowledge the fact that these large scale attacks are primarily carried out by muslims? No? OK.
I did. Kind of. I think the
root cause is extremism, which tends to be stirred up by desperation. I think it's important to note that these Muslim terrorists are coming from places where they are personally oppressed; whether that oppression comes from other Muslims, or from people irrationally suspicious of Muslims. You see them from the Middle East, Europe, and now increasingly from the United States, but not so much from Indonesia or India.
Now why is it Muslims specifically? Well there is evidence that the more views two people have in common, the easier it is for one to convince the other to change their views. In a religion numbering well over 1 billion adherents, combining this factor with my above observation creates this fantastic little daisy-chain of people able to radicalize one another, leading to more terrorist attacks causing more suspicion prompting more people to radicalize.
I have suddenly forgotten where I was going with this, so I'll leave it at that for now.
Quote from: Sorginak on March 24, 2017, 03:15:46 AM
I am not going to watch a video.
Seriously, have you become so intellectually retarded that you can no longer explain anything in your own words?
Do you see me posting videos?
No, it is because I know how to use my words to convey what I want.
No one is forcing you to do anything. Was your post really necessary?
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 24, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
I did. Kind of. I think the root cause is extremism, which tends to be stirred up by desperation. I think it's important to note that these Muslim terrorists are coming from places where they are personally oppressed; whether that oppression comes from other Muslims, or from people irrationally suspicious of Muslims. You see them from the Middle East, Europe, and now increasingly from the United States, but not so much from Indonesia or India.
Now why is it Muslims specifically? Well there is evidence that the more views two people have in common, the easier it is for one to convince the other to change their views. In a religion numbering well over 1 billion adherents, combining this factor with my above observation creates this fantastic little daisy-chain of people able to radicalize one another, leading to more terrorist attacks causing more suspicion prompting more people to radicalize.
I have suddenly forgotten where I was going with this, so I'll leave it at that for now.
The world is strangely incurious as why from all the religions of the world it is Islam that behaves so.
What is in this ideology that makes it so dangerous to other beliefs or non beliefs?
Why are all debates, examinations, criticism forbidden in the public arena?
Theresa May, British PM after the recent London terrorist attack:
Quote“It is Islamist terrorism,†she said. “It is a perversion of a great faith.â€â€¦
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 24, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
I did. Kind of. I think the root cause is extremism, which tends to be stirred up by desperation. I think it's important to note that these Muslim terrorists are coming from places where they are personally oppressed; whether that oppression comes from other Muslims, or from people irrationally suspicious of Muslims. You see them from the Middle East, Europe, and now increasingly from the United States, but not so much from Indonesia or India.
Now why is it Muslims specifically? Well there is evidence that the more views two people have in common, the easier it is for one to convince the other to change their views. In a religion numbering well over 1 billion adherents, combining this factor with my above observation creates this fantastic little daisy-chain of people able to radicalize one another, leading to more terrorist attacks causing more suspicion prompting more people to radicalize.
I have suddenly forgotten where I was going with this, so I'll leave it at that for now.
I got lost too. You started out in a direction that might have gone some place, but I did have some doubts about the first paragraph, which I expected you to resolve. The second paragraph didn't do that, however.
I began to question the first paragraph with " I think the root cause is extremism, which tends to be stirred up by desperation."
By desperation? I won't say it's not possible, but I don't sense desperation in terrorism. It seems more like a control issue, and it also seems to me that the Middle East is rife with control issues. Do control issues lead to desperation? I think they can, but what I see in terrorism doesn't seem like desperation, just a need to control.
Mideast power shifts seem to result in a new controlling interest taking over, with consequences that lead to brutal methods of keeping control, and the stakes are always high, with retribution for dissenters, and no sense of cooperation. It's iron fisted control. It needs to be, because if you can't control, the consequence is death. It's win or lose, with the consequences of either outcome being exaggerated compared to western standards, where (so far) the opposition seems to muddle through until it's their turn at bat.
This may not be the case in Indonesia or India, where the opposition can muddle through without being killed off. But I'm speculating here. It's quite possible that I'm all wrong. So I was looking forward to you presenting something less speculative. The problem is that we are discussing the human species, which is harder to understand than a "universe from nothing." I will never understand the human psyche very well.
Being momentarily materialist ... can a toaster understand a toaster?
Yes to tendency to radicalism (see culture/religion)
Yes to desperation (they can see the fantasy of W Civilized living standard)
Yes to control issues (they are pirates of the desert ... they need to board your camel, take your stuff, and make you walk the plank)
Many people from India (but not Pakistan/Bangladesh), from Indonesia, from Malaysia ... were under or originated Indian culture. This isn't ME nor European. The ME and Europe have been militant since time before time.
To get an idea what the ideology is, one should read the biography of the founder, Muhammad by Ibn
Ishaq.
The book is called Sirat rasool Allah and it is freely available on the net in .pdf format for download.
It is part of the Islamic trilogy, with the Quran and the hadiths.
http://www.justislam.co.uk/images/Ibn%20Ishaq%20-%20Sirat%20Rasul%20Allah.pdf
The Quran commands Muslims to follow Muhammad's example no less than 91 times.
Hindu terrorism is kinda a big deal as well. We just don't hear about it because it happens, "over there".
And much like Islamic terrorism, it's rooted in much the same causes and excuses. Is Hinduism by it's nature a violent religion?
To be fair to the people who don't want a lot of Muslims coming into their country, I don't think they're all bigots. Muslim terrorist attacks in the west are quite rare, but I suppose one could make the argument that the more Muslims you have, the more likely a terrorist attack is to happen, so you lose more and more civil liberties after these attacks happen. I can understand that point of view, but my take on this is that the civil liberties are going to be taken away eventually anyways, so might as well get it over with. Although I can understand their point of view to an extent, when you have someone (say Trump, for example), fear mongering about Muslims and trying to ban them from the country, that of course ramps up the hate and abuse Muslims have to deal with, which in turn is probably just helping radicalise more and more of them, so I'm against the anti-Muslim rhetoric from the alt-right and I'm happy to have Muslim refugees come into my country.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 24, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
Hindu terrorism is kinda a big deal as well. We just don't hear about it because it happens, "over there".
And much like Islamic terrorism, it's rooted in much the same causes and excuses. Is Hinduism by it's nature a violent religion?
Yeah, but we're not talking about over there; we're talking about right here. The country we live. Maybe it's less of a priority for you, but I am in NYC pretty frequently. Those serial bombing attacks that happened this past year could have happened to me. It's easy to think of this as something else, when you aren't directly dealing with it.
Banning all muslims is an emotional response, and the wrong response, but at that same note, allowing vast floods of muslims in is also an emotional response and the wrong response. There needs to be a middle ground and I still don't think we've found it yet.
QuoteThe world is strangely incurious as why from all the religions of the world it is Islam that behaves so.
Maybe because the rest of the world isn't so deluded to believe that it is.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 04:02:06 PM
Yeah, but we're not talking about over there; we're talking about right here. The country we live. Maybe it's less of a priority for you, but I am in NYC pretty frequently. Those serial bombing attacks that happened this past year could have happened to me. It's easy to think of this as something else, when you aren't directly dealing with it.
Banning all muslims is an emotional response, and the wrong response, but at that same note, allowing vast floods of muslims in is also an emotional response and the wrong response. There needs to be a middle ground and I still don't think we've found it yet.
I mention Hindu terrorism in regards to this idea that only Islam can be violent, not that it is relevant to us. That said...
The odds of being involved in a Muslim terrorist attack, or any terrorist attack, are astronomically small, and letting in refugees is not going to change that. It's not a matter of location (unless I went to say Kabul, Aleppo, Mali, etc), it's a matter of "indifference" because it is a non-factor.
Should we heavily vet Muslim immigrants? Yes. Should we heavily vet ANY immigrant? Yeah, probably. But I am not going to sit in my bed, pissing myself with gun in lap, and sell my humanity because, "Oh mah gawd, teh Muslooms are cumming for me!" (which when taking that misspelling literally becomes much more frightening). I am far more likely to die in a car wreck, or from alcohol poisoning, or drowning in the river than I am from a Muslim... yet I don't sell my car, stop drinking and stay away for the river, nor do I call anyone who drives a car a "potential threat, even if the vast majority of car drivers are safe drivers" and start proposing we ban people from being able to drive.
To put it into more cultural terms; I have been to Juarez a few times. It's not a "safe" city by any means. I know Mexicans who a drug dealers and violent criminals. But I don't therefor assume that any Mexican is a potential threat to my safety, and if they come here they could kill someone or if I go to Mexico I could be killed, and thus think that Mexicans should be banned because, while some Mexicans are good, there is something within their cultural ideology that turns them into bad people.
I also want to say this...
>>>When I accuse cowardice towards Pr, I legitimately believe that he is a spineless coward. That does not mean I think people who agree with him are the same, I just think there are certain powers-that-be within our society that both wittingly and unwittingly try their hardest to scare people, and there is no shame in buying into it. We are all a product of the information we are fed, and I personally just don't find that message to warrant changing my personal morality to appeal to that fear.<<<
Quote from: Shiranu on March 24, 2017, 01:46:10 PM
Hindu terrorism is kinda a big deal as well. We just don't hear about it because it happens, "over there".
And much like Islamic terrorism, it's rooted in much the same causes and excuses. Is Hinduism by it's nature a violent religion?
Actually the followers of King Rama and Charioteer Krishna say yes. Just label your Hindu opponents as Kurus and your non-Hindu opponents as Ravanas. Then whatever incarnation of Vishnu you are dealing with, like the G-d of Job, says ... kill if I tell you to, don't kill if I don't tell you. Red light/Green light. I played that as a kid.
The separation of muslims and islam is a long road. The only way I see it that such a thing can occur is for people who come from a deeply islamic region to find ground in secular countries and are prepared to adapt to it. They don't even have to forego islam, just do what happened with Christianity and hopefully that disconnect between the two will occur.
I would sooner have a group of people claiming to follow the quran but only take snippets from it as their ritual like Christians do with the bible, then having the pure ideology itself being brought over to secular countries.
Quote from: Munch on March 24, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
The separation of muslims and islam is a long road. The only way I see it that such a thing can occur is for people who come from a deeply islamic region to find ground in secular countries and are prepared to adapt to it. They don't even have to forego islam, just do what happened with Christianity and hopefully that disconnect between the two will occur.
I would sooner have a group of people claiming to follow the quran but only take snippets from it as their ritual like Christians do with the bible, then having the pure ideology itself being brought over to secular countries.
Easier said than done, when the U.S. and UK keep overthrowing secular governments and propping up radical regimes like the Saudis (that then export the radical ideology to both the Arab League and the EU).
Quote from: Munch on March 24, 2017, 07:34:50 PM
The separation of muslims and islam is a long road. The only way I see it that such a thing can occur is for people who come from a deeply islamic region to find ground in secular countries and are prepared to adapt to it. They don't even have to forego islam, just do what happened with Christianity and hopefully that disconnect between the two will occur.
I would sooner have a group of people claiming to follow the quran but only take snippets from it as their ritual like Christians do with the bible, then having the pure ideology itself being brought over to secular countries.
I do not think it is possible to separate Muslims from Islam.
First, it is their sole identity.
Without Islam they are worthless like the kufar. And of course it is apostasy, punishable by death.
Also, the Quran forbids "cherry picking". The Quran must be obeyed in its entirity. It is the words of Allah, immutable, sacred.
Islam rules by fear.
6 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:35 pm
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/783955 ... ead-injury
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3180485/essex-road-islington-hit-and-run-horror-crash/
We do not know who was arrested, but it goes like this. If the perpetrators were non Muslims, their names and photos would be spread all over the media within an hour.
If it kept quiet, it is a good chance that it was .... well, guess. My money is on the Amish.
Quote from: pr126 on March 26, 2017, 10:39:24 AM
6 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:35 pm
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/783955 ... ead-injury
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3180485/essex-road-islington-hit-and-run-horror-crash/
We do not know who was arrested, but it goes like this. If the perpetrators were non Muslims, their names and photos would be spread all over the media within an hour.
If it kept quiet, it is a good chance that it was .... well, guess. My money is on the Amish.
Yes the Amish ... always sowing terrorism by horse and buggy ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on March 26, 2017, 11:44:28 AM
Yes the Amish ... always sowing terrorism by horse and buggy ;-)
Yes the Amish... wacky but loveable.
And I've got admit. I think their outfits are adorable.
Quote from: SGOS on March 26, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
Yes the Amish... wacky but loveable.
And I've got admit. I think their outfits are adorable.
Tim Allen .. For Richer Or Poorer ... think Don and Ivana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vanu_y5NY6s
I wonder if the Amish ever compliment each other's outfits: "Oh, I love that dress," or "Hey, nice hat you're wearing today."
Quote from: SGOS on March 26, 2017, 02:23:14 PM
I wonder if the Amish ever compliment each other's outfits: "Oh, I love that dress," or "Hey, nice hat you're wearing today."
That would be too worldly for them, probably. The existence of the cell phone is destroying women's place in their culture. Gossip is the main use, and as a Hasidic Jew could tell you, gossip is the second worst sin after murder.
Quote from: pr126 on March 24, 2017, 11:31:37 PM
I do not think it is possible to separate Muslims from Islam.
First, it is their sole identity.
Without Islam they are worthless like the kufar. And of course it is apostasy, punishable by death.
Also, the Quran forbids "cherry picking". The Quran must be obeyed in its entirity. It is the words of Allah, immutable, sacred.
Islam rules by fear.
well like I say, this is where secular thinking needs to come into focus. First its needs to have a taking no crap rule from these mosques in the uk and america supporting and supplying radicals, have them come under investigation heavily, the same as you would expect a catholic church fucking with minors coming under heavy investigation.
Then crack down on any religious fundamentalism in schools, no adapting because people from middle eastern countries are 'sensitive' if an institution isn't set up the way they want it, its the same rule for all, school is for learning, not indoctrination.
Of course this is very much pipe dreaming, the major factors of this entire thing comes down to major government influencing lesser governments, and major governments don't give a shit about whats happening on ground level, so long as they have places like Saudi Arabia and other middle eastern regions in a deal for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZPaTyde47I&t=0s
This is honestly terrifying. One of the things I will stand up for anyone, no matter what it might be, even if its against my own beliefs, is there freedom to criticise. To criminalize the freedom to express ones disdain for another nation, order, religious or social group, goes against any sense of liberty.
Leftist PC is just another chance for England to make a bitch of Ireland. They only think they are free from London, but the London banks own their leprechaun pots of gold.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 24, 2017, 02:10:55 AM
So is anyone else going to acknowledge the fact that these large scale attacks are primarily carried out by muslims? No? OK.
Right now, Muslims are carrying out a sizable portion of terrorist attacks. Often against other Muslims. But the daily drip, drip, drip from Iraq or Syria or Pakistan is easier to ignore then the occasional attack in the west.
Communist/anarchist terrorism is really out of vogue. Irgun and Lehi were long ago absorbed and dissolved. The Troubles are in the past--even the Real IRA/New IRA hardly make the news anymore. The Klan is a shadow of its former self. Anti-colonial terrorism lost its motivation. ETA claims to be totally disarmed. Tamil Tigers were crushed. Aum Shinrikyo was a (deeply troubling) flash in the pan. The Oklahoma City bombing and Atlanta Olympic bombings, even the Austin IRS attack, are a distant specter. Environmental terrorism is surprisingly common and destructive, but rarely ends in a fatality or news coverage. Who did I forget?
That leaves Muslim terrorists. Perhaps what's unique about Muslims isn't their willingness to use terrorism but simply their persistence.
Because Allah (the sock puppet of Muhammad) commanded it 1400 years ago.
Not that it has anything to do with Islam.
There must be a serious cognitive dissonance for Muslims when they insist that the propet was a model of perfection to follow, while knowing that according to the scriptures he was a terrorist, a murderer, slaver, paedophile, sexual predator, pirate, torturer, a homicidal psychopath.
On second thought, there is no cognotive dissonance at all.
Muhammad's morals and ethics are proper and are followed by the assorted "radicals" such as ISIS, al qaida, al shabab and the hundreds of devout groups.
In essence, they are following the Quran to the letter.
Not that it has anything to do with the noble ad peaceful religion.
Hey, #NOTALLMUSLIMS. There. Feeling better already.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2017, 03:57:28 AM
Because Allah (the sock puppet of Muhammad) commanded it 1400 years ago.
Not that it has anything to do with Islam.
There must be a serious cognitive dissonance for Muslims when they insist that the propet was a model of perfection to follow, while knowing that according to the scriptures he was a terrorist, a murderer, slaver, paedophile, sexual predator, pirate, torturer, a homicidal psychopath.
On second thought, there is no cognotive dissonance at all.
Muhammad's morals and ethics are proper and are followed by the assorted "radicals" such as ISIS, al qaida, al shabab and the hundreds of devout groups.
In essence, they are following the Quran to the letter.
Not that it has nything to do with the noble ad peaceful religion.
Nice people don't found countries or religious ideology .. see Constantine.
Quote from: Baruch on March 27, 2017, 07:00:31 AM
Nice people don't found countries or religious ideology .. see Constantine.
Everyone looooves Constaintine!
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ2MzQzMjA2NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwODg1MTI4MjE@._V1_UY1200_CR93,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg)
oooh.. wait, you meant this guy.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/MMA_bust_02.jpg/220px-MMA_bust_02.jpg)
yeah not as good looking as the one above.
The first one is a demon fighter, and even fights Gabriel. The second one was a demon.
Baruch wrote:
QuoteNice people don't found countries or religious ideology .. see Constantine.
All I see is a tu quoque. Centuries old at that.
White Americans commit acts of terrorism everyday. We just don't call it what it is and say they were mentally ill, instead of calling them what they are; radicalized white people who adopt an extremist view of Americana White Superiority. Shit, we then go on to elect these people to office, and this even happens in the more enlightened Europe. You have neo-nazis running for office in some countries for Christ's sake, and you want to tell me terrorism is a middle eastern phenomenon? Bombings aren't the only way to terrorise, you know...
You just don't call them terrorists because you aren't the ones being terrorised.
Quote from: pr126 on March 27, 2017, 07:14:41 AM
Baruch wrote:
All I see is a tu quoque. Centuries old at that.
If status quo, didn't continue thru cultural continuity, for millennia .. you would be right. Nothing over a year old would be relevant. Did you know Adobe is one of the few words, but there are a few ... that made it into English. 5000 year old word (meme). And the influence of 500 year old memes is much stronger. Our modernity is strictly superficial.
And no, Constantine doesn't excuse Muhammad. But for you, you would ban all cultural/political revolutionaries ... you probably aren't fond of the French or Russian Revolutions either.
Quote from: Baruch on March 27, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
If status quo, didn't continue thru cultural continuity, for millennia .. you would be right. Nothing over a year old would be relevant. Did you know Adobe is one of the few words, but there are a few ... that made it into English.
Do you mean into the dictionary in recent years? Because I've had that word in my working vocabulary since early elementary school. Although, I don't think I ever looked for it in the dictionary.
I'm feeling stupid. I'm sure I'm missing something.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 27, 2017, 07:59:18 AM
White Americans commit acts of terrorism everyday. We just don't call it what it is and say they were mentally ill, instead of calling them what they are; radicalized white people who adopt an extremist view of Americana White Superiority. Shit, we then go on to elect these people to office, and this even happens in the more enlightened Europe. You have neo-nazis running for office in some countries for Christ's sake, and you want to tell me terrorism is a middle eastern phenomenon? Bombings aren't the only way to terrorise, you know...
You just don't call them terrorists because you aren't the ones being terrorised.
It's hard sometimes to detect sarcasm in the written word. If this is sarcasm or satire, then bravo. But for the sake of answering should it not be, the fact you've fallen on the neo nazi rhetoric that all white people who aren't liberals must by Nazis is quite indicative of a social justice narrative.
There's plenty of white people sure who have racist and nationalist points of view, but fact that you choose to lump whites and Nazism into the same paragraph (wonderful motion of the Godwin move there), doesn't that make yourself racist, to assume white people in there own land just being concerned with an invading ideology?
Of course the default here falls that because America and Britain has forces in the middle east is the problem causing this current crisis, however I recall asking you, should I blame you, yourself, for this, as it seems the notion the citizenry are to blame for what the military and government do, so really, it is the fault of the migrants themselves for this current crisis, and not the armies or warlords.
See it comes back on itself in a delicious irony.
"the fact you've fallen on the neo nazi rhetoric that all white people who aren't liberals must by Nazis is quite indicative of a social justice narrative. "
And that's where I stopped reading, because that is a streaming pile of horse shit and not remotely what I said.
Edit - wow, read another sentence where you are accusing me of calling people Nazis. Can you Fucking learn to read before insulting people? Gracias.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 27, 2017, 05:53:00 PM
"the fact you've fallen on the neo nazi rhetoric that all white people who aren't liberals must by Nazis is quite indicative of a social justice narrative. "
And that's where I stopped reading, because that is a streaming pile of horse shit and not remotely what I said.
Edit - wow, read another sentence where you are accusing me of calling people Nazis. Can you Fucking learn to read before insulting people? Gracias.
So just to keep tally: he's got Muslims under his bed, feminists in his closet, and now Nazis in his window. What's next, communists in his doorway?
Quote from: SGOS on March 27, 2017, 02:16:26 PM
Do you mean into the dictionary in recent years? Because I've had that word in my working vocabulary since early elementary school. Although, I don't think I ever looked for it in the dictionary.
I'm feeling stupid. I'm sure I'm missing something.
Aside to your aside ... of course "adobe" has been in American English since at least the 19th century ... per Texas and N Mexico. And it got there via Spanish. British English, not so much. I don't think they have any natural adobe buildings outside of dry climates ;-) Of course there are other words being added to the dictionary all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFzQSMSVgI
Terrorists who don't use Mercedes vehicles ... have no class, no jihadi pride! Always use German engineering (see Tiger tank) when trying to kill people.