I am really tired of people trying to tell me Islam is "The Religion of Peace".
No. It isn't. Not by a fucking longshot.
Jainism is a religion of Peace. Buddhism is a religion of Peace. Daoism [Taoism] is a religion of peace.
Islam is currently behind the endless oppression of woman in more than two dozen countries. It is behind violence against Jews, Christians, Atheists, Agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists, and anyone who isn't a Muslim. Syria is an endless bloody Civil War, Palestinians won't stop shooting random mortars and rockets into Israel (by the hundreds) and Iran can't wait to get their hands on a nuke while Pakistan can't wait to wipe out half of India.
Your thoughts?
Islam is the cult of Muhammad. A deranged narcissistic warlord.
Yes, there were madmen like him, but their madness died with them. Muhammad made a religion out of his madness.
Islam calls itself a religion, but it is a political doctrine of conquest, loot and slavery.
It regulates all aspects of life, to the minutes detail.
It is inseparable from politics, as the state must be Islamic, governed by its own laws, the sharia.
It is driven by lethal violence and fear.
Peaceful it certainly isn't.
Even if the whole planet was Muslim, they would still fight and kill each other to prove who is the real Muslim.
A curse on humanity, an abomination.
Quote from: "pr126"Islam is the cult of Muhammad. A deranged narcissistic warlord.
Yes, there were madmen like him, but their madness died with them. Muhammad made a religion out of his madness.
Islam calls itself a religion, but it is a political doctrine of conquest, loot and slavery.
It regulates all aspects of life, to the minutes detail.
It is inseparable from politics, as the state must be Islamic, governed by its own laws, the sharia.
Peaceful it certainly isn't.
Even if the whole planet was Muslim, they would still fight and kill each other to prove who is the real Muslim.
A curse on humanity, an abomination.
Sorry Shoezy, but this.
thoughts on islam?
fuck islam. i'll say that about all religions but islam is by far the worst.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Quote from: "pr126"Islam is the cult of Muhammad. A deranged narcissistic warlord.
Yes, there were madmen like him, but their madness died with them. Muhammad made a religion out of his madness.
Islam calls itself a religion, but it is a political doctrine of conquest, loot and slavery.
It regulates all aspects of life, to the minutes detail.
It is inseparable from politics, as the state must be Islamic, governed by its own laws, the sharia.
Peaceful it certainly isn't.
Even if the whole planet was Muslim, they would still fight and kill each other to prove who is the real Muslim.
A curse on humanity, an abomination.
Sorry Shoezy, but this.
Thanks for the video! What a wonderful and intelligent dog. Bill
I post a blog at Weareatheism.com and as a result I have received two death threats on my Facebook account. I have debated Muslims (again on Facebook) and had the discussion end with comments like:
"Fuck you motherfucker...we'll kill you and force your children to convert."
"In the end Allah will curse you and your hateful Buddhist & Atheist apostacy".
"Wait until we get the right weapons [meaning nukes I'm sure]."
These are not extremist views but the mainstream of Islamic thought....think of an entire nation of Tea-party lunatics getting their way in everything and that's basically Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan.
Islam is a huge mess. Running at the top of "pointless things fucking up the human race" in the 21st century.
Quote from: "Plu"Islam is a huge mess. Running at the top of "pointless things fucking up the human race" in the 21st century.
Indeed. Islam right now to me feels like where Christianity was about the 17th century when it was still struggling (and losing) against the Enlightenment.
Islam is indeed one of the worst religions in the world .
Quote from: "pr126"Islam is the cult of Muhammad. A deranged narcissistic warlord.
Yes, there were madmen like him, but their madness died with them. Muhammad made a religion out of his madness.
Islam calls itself a religion, but it is a political doctrine of conquest, loot and slavery.
It regulates all aspects of life, to the minutes detail.
It is inseparable from politics, as the state must be Islamic, governed by its own laws, the sharia.
It is driven by lethal violence and fear.
Peaceful it certainly isn't.
Even if the whole planet was Muslim, they would still fight and kill each other to prove who is the real Muslim.
A curse on humanity, an abomination.
Muhammad is a genius, died centuries ago yet still be able to fool millions of people centuries later. The concept, the doctrine, the continuation, the isolation. Perfect. I admit I envy him... a bit. =D>
QuoteThese are not extremist views but the mainstream of Islamic thought...
Funny, I have never met a Muslim out-side of the internet who professes this; infact most I know would consider this "un-Islamic" and painting a bad picture of your average Muslim (in the West). I must just live in an area of non-mainstream Muslims...
If perhaps you live in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Iraq... okay, maybe. But in the west, the people who do profess this are the minority, not the mainstream.
Quote from: "StupidWiz"Muhammad is a genius, died centuries ago yet still be able to fool millions of people centuries later. The concept, the doctrine, the continuation, the isolation. Perfect. I admit I envy him... a bit.
We'll probably be having this exact same conversation about L Ron Hubbard in a couple of hundred years.
Have a drink Shoezy, you're overreacting as you often do. What I wrote was only meant as a sign of respect, though I'm sure you're about to blow up and demonize me quite a bit in the process.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "StupidWiz"Muhammad is a genius, died centuries ago yet still be able to fool millions of people centuries later. The concept, the doctrine, the continuation, the isolation. Perfect. I admit I envy him... a bit.
We'll probably be having this exact same conversation about L Ron Hubbard in a couple of hundred years.
Wouldn't count on it. There's just too much damning information on the Internet.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"I'm sick of this hypocrisy and all the problem in the world is just one religion, anything else is fine bullshit.
You are a country watching your children shooting each other as if you are watching commercials; young girls being raped by a sports team is a fucking you tube video people comment on and while they hit like or unlike no one can stand up and do something about it. The war you created FROM NOTHING brought an unspeakable civilian death toll and still continues.
And you are trying to build 'arguments' about some fucked up religion, from a stupid line stating that some religion is a religion of peace. Please do bury your heads deeper... no deeper and when get pissed off in the forum to something, dump it on drunkenshoe.
Nice to meet you.
I'm not a hypocrite at all, Drunkenshoe. I am sickened by gun-loving Christians and their small-minded idiocy as much as anyone else! I hate the NRA and America's self-destructive love affair with it's own 2nd Amendment. The view that "Islam is the religion of peace" is indeed pure bullshit as much as the phrase "Jesus is Love".
Coming from someone with nearly 5,000 posts that sounds pretty disingenuous, Drunkenshoe.
You're in a bar bitching about people drinking. What do you expect us to discuss? Stamp collecting?
QuoteWhat do you expect us to discuss?
Science, maths, history, the future. There's plenty. Most people here are really intelligent and have quite a bit of knowledge of the world around them.
I understand that people occasionally want to vent about the nonsense that is religion, but some people have made it their mission in life to do nothing
but vent, and it gets annoying. (Fortunately I block most of them so it doesn't really bother me anymore, but I understand shoe's sentiment)
QuoteI understand that people occasionally want to vent about the nonsense that is religion, but some people have made it their mission in life to do nothing but vent, and it gets annoying.
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I'm going to assume it's a joke and you're not actually so dumb you can't figure out why what you said is really stupid.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "StupidWiz"Muhammad is a genius, died centuries ago yet still be able to fool millions of people centuries later. The concept, the doctrine, the continuation, the isolation. Perfect. I admit I envy him... a bit.
We'll probably be having this exact same conversation about L Ron Hubbard in a couple of hundred years.
Wouldn't count on it. There's just too much damning information on the Internet.
Has the internet run out of damning information about islam? :D
QuoteHas the internet run out of damning information about islam? :D
Most muslims grow up without the internet, though. And the ones that do have the internet mostly live in countries where everybody dislikes muslims, which gives them a good reason to stay muslims. (It's not like most of the people disliking would understand the difference between a middle eastern atheist or a middle eastern muslim. It's all about having a group of people that look the same and can be blamed for everything, after all)
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"-Islam is the only problem in the world,
-Every other religion is somewhat OK,
-Israel is just a victim and is right in everything it does, oh the 'evil' palestinians are the reason for everything!
-Picking something trivial and laughable to 'criticise' a fucked up religion as 'islam is a religion of peace' WHILE
-Completely ignoring the unjustified slaughter US created in the ME that reached the proportions of genocide and defining 'a side' with being the enemy of EARTH.
Why? "Oh but this is what our media and government tells us! Isn't it obvious, look at all the news?!"
Your gross mischaracterization of me and my post needs to be addressed at length:
1. I never said anything remotely close to "Islam is the only problem in the world". Do you deny that it's a problem at all?
2. I never said anything remotely close to "Every other religion is somewhat OK." I gave three specific examples of religions that espouse PEACE and can be show clearly to promote that.
3. The Palestinians have two completely untenable positions that will always make them completely unreasonable in my view. First, their attitude that Israel has no right to exist is completely unacceptable. Second, their demand that Israel give Jerusalem to them as their Capital is just as ridiculous. As long as they hold to those positions as well as periodic bombings than they get what they deserve.
4. I was not talking about US Foreign policy but I would be only too happy to talk about our wrongheaded adventures in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Kuwait and Iraq in the POLITICAL FORUM if that is your wish.
5. I don't remember ever saying that the "News media" is 100% right about anything.
Quote2. I never said anything remotely close to "Every other religion is somewhat OK." I gave three specific examples of religions that espouse PEACE and can be show clearly to promote that.
Buddhism actually has a few topics in here about how they're brutally fucking things up and not exactly "promoting peace". You can ignore them because you consider yourself a buddhist if you want, or apply the typical theist response of "but they're perverting it!" but it doesn't change that the word "buddhist" is used for, amongst other things, people doing things that are the exact opposite of peaceful.
Quote from: "Plu"Quote2. I never said anything remotely close to "Every other religion is somewhat OK." I gave three specific examples of religions that espouse PEACE and can be show clearly to promote that.
Buddhism actually has a few topics in here about how they're brutally fucking things up and not exactly "promoting peace". You can ignore them because you consider yourself a buddhist if you want, or apply the typical theist response of "but they're perverting it!" but it doesn't change that the word "buddhist" is used for, amongst other things, people doing things that are the exact opposite of peaceful.
I'm not one to run from that. However having studied Buddhism for more than a decade and taken more than a passing glance at Asian history I will say that it is disheartening to see that what the Buddha taught 2,600 years ago be reduced to formulas, myths, and to have little effect on sexism and the inhuman treatment of some Asian nations to their own citizens. I would respectfully point out that to my knowledge no Buddhist monk has ever blown up a building, killed others for having different beliefs in Death Camps, or cut off the heads and hands of thieves or people who happen to be gay. 8-)
Quote from: "Plu"Most muslims grow up without the internet, though. And the ones that do have the internet mostly live in countries where everybody dislikes muslims, which gives them a good reason to stay muslims. (It's not like most of the people disliking would understand the difference between a middle eastern atheist or a middle eastern muslim. It's all about having a group of people that look the same and can be blamed for everything, after all)
The fundamentalist muslim that I work with seems to be pretty sheltered and seems to prefer to stay that way.
Fundamentalists always prefer to be sheltered from what I've seen and heard; regardless of their personal choice of delusion. I've heard plenty of stories here of people being dropped like hot potatoes by family and friends the moment they used the words "I" and "atheist" in the same sentence.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteWhat do you expect us to discuss?
Science, maths, history, the future. There's plenty. Most people here are really intelligent and have quite a bit of knowledge of the world around them.
I understand that people occasionally want to vent about the nonsense that is religion, but some people have made it their mission in life to do nothing but vent, and it gets annoying. (Fortunately I block most of them so it doesn't really bother me anymore, but I understand shoe's sentiment)
You can always come to my threads, where you can improve your knowledge of physics. :-D
Have you missed the latest ones?
Einstein's Derivation of the Famous Equation, E=mc2 (//http://atheistforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=1043)
Relativistic Doppler Effect (//http://atheistforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=1139)
No, I like those kinds of threads but I haven't really had to time lately to invest the time to really understand them.
That's why I come to the religion bashing threads. They're easy, I can do those while I'm working :P
I would really appreciate it if you don't call me "honey". Unless we're either fucking or you're serving me drinks, that's inappropriate.
QuoteIsrael is the only country with nuclear weapons in the ME. If they didn't have the technology or the support they have now, they would be using the same tactics as Palestinians used.
Eh... Turkiye (shares them with [4?] other states, granted) and Pakistan?
(I get your point though).
QuotePrude...lol.
That's an American thing :P. Alot of our culture is still stuck in the late 1800's/early 1900's.
Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteThese are not extremist views but the mainstream of Islamic thought...
Funny, I have never met a Muslim out-side of the internet who professes this; infact most I know would consider this "un-Islamic" and painting a bad picture of your average Muslim (in the West). I must just live in an area of non-mainstream Muslims...
If perhaps you live in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or Iraq... okay, maybe. But in the west, the people who do profess this are the minority, not the mainstream.
One of my Muslim friends who I've known for years from school said on FB to me the other day that he thought the elimination of secularism in Turkey was a good thing becuase it showed the majoirty wanted Sharia.
He's always been a 'moderate' in my eyes and has never once said anything that has caused me to doubt it, until he said that. It was just an off the cuff remark that caused me to re-evaluate everything I've ever thought about him. Of course just anecdotal, but looking back through his FB debates with others, I notice that most if not all of this Muslim friends that comment on them agree with the Islamification [sic] of the societies that they talk about, as though it's a good thing. Of course from their perspective I guess it is, but it's the complete lack of empathy, and the desire to dominate wills through religious reasoning which really sounds alarm bells in my head.
Again, just anecdote, but I'm starting to think that moderate thought in Islam is a lot different to moderate thought in other elements of society, be they religious or political.
Quote from: "Jason78"Has the internet run out of damning information about islam? :D
While there's admittedly quite a bit, Islam existed long before the Internet had a chance to get established. Scientology won't get that chance. Besides, Islam was actually kind of progressive for its time, it just hasn't evolved much since.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Quote from: "Jason78"Has the internet run out of damning information about islam? :D
While there's admittedly quite a bit, Islam existed long before the Internet had a chance to get established. Scientology won't get that chance. Besides, Islam was actually kind of progressive for its time.
Just a shame that its time was centuries ago and it's still stuck there.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Just a shame that its time was centuries ago and it's still stuck there.
According to my fundie muslim friend, Islam was around from the dawn of time.
As PR has pointed out here on several occasions, the Islamic faith's political agenda and approach is built directly into the religion. Countries that are predominantly Muslim are under Sharia Law and politically very active against any other faith. The lack of such activity in countries not dominated by them is based entirely on numbers. Everywhere they have achieved sufficient numbers, they have tried to force their will on the populace. Even in Detroit, USA; they have tried to implement Sharia Law in neighborhoods they control. And these are the "good" Muslims, not the fundies. They have a growing presence all through Europe- Spain, Italy, France, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. And also in Southeast Asia, Australia- everywhere there is an influence there have been acts of violence and efforts to force their will on the populace.
Earth vs. Islam? I agree.
If the thread title had been Earth vs Catholicism, Earth vs Christianity, Earth vs Buddhism or Earth vs Hinduism I would've agreed to that also. Islam is a religion. It is the most violent, most intrusive and most politically strident of any religion. It is the biggest problem in the world today. Sorry if that offends you, but it is the truth.
Quote from: "stromboli"As PR has pointed out here on several occasions, the Islamic faith's political agenda and approach is built directly into the religion. Countries that are predominantly Muslim are under Sharia Law and politically very active against any other faith. The lack of such activity in countries not dominated by them is based entirely on numbers. Everywhere they have achieved sufficient numbers, they have tried to force their will on the populace. Even in Detroit, USA; they have tried to implement Sharia Law in neighborhoods they control. And these are the "good" Muslims, not the fundies. They have a growing presence all through Europe- Spain, Italy, France, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe. And also in Southeast Asia, Australia- everywhere there is an influence there have been acts of violence and efforts to force their will on the populace.
Earth vs. Islam? I agree.
I would have to agree that there is quite a bit of evidence to show that Islam has the same behavioral patterns as an infection. True, other religions have the same desire to indoctrinate, perpetuate, and repeat protocol, but on the modern stage, Islam is perhaps one of the most aggressive.
There isn't a single thing any religion can provide that a secular society wouldn't be able to provide, excluding a grand delusion of course. This includes both the good and bad qualities. It's just that in a secular society, you'd have fewer people subjugated or killed in the name of imaginary beings. Furthermore, a secular society stands a much better chance of finding a use for science than a religious society would, since secularism generally doesn't fill in the gap with "[insert imaginary being] did it."
However, making the mistake that removing religion from the planet would suddenly cure all of humanity's problems is naive at best. We still have so many political machines in place that are just as detrimental - such as the perversion of communism, socialism, capitalism, monarchy, oligarchy... etc. When we no longer have motivation to fight about that which is imaginary, then we will fight about that which is real. For example, America is morbidly obese while much of Africa is starved for the basic necessities of life, nobody wants to deal with the fact that as a species we really need to regulate our population in line with what is available for consumption, still waiting on that new energy source - you know, one that doesn't result in the Earth being uninhabitable for humans, and what the hell happened to space exploration?
I think we can all agree, Islam is perhaps one of the worst religions to come to mind given current events, but aren't all religions essentially bad in that they stunt the growth of scientific advancements, civil rights, and genuine altruism?
Quote from: "stromboli"If the thread title had been Earth vs Catholicism, Earth vs Christianity, Earth vs Buddhism or Earth vs Hinduism I would've agreed to that also. Islam is a religion. It is the most violent, most intrusive and most politically strident of any religion. It is the biggest problem in the world today. Sorry if that offends you, but it is the truth.
Islam combines politics with religion which is why it has to be included in BOTH religious and political topics. So, yes, Islam all by itself is a problem.
I'm not sorry that it offends anybody to make this perfectly clear. Quite frankly, in light of the aggressive nature of Islam, along with plenty of other politically based aggressive strategies for conquest, I don't think we have the luxury of rolling around in the political correctness just to keep from hurting someone's feelings. I doubt those subjugated by the tyranny of Islam give a damn about political correctness - particularly the women who have been mutilated because they didn't scream while they were being raped.
Enough is enough. Cry over something that is worth the tears - not over whether Islam or some political device is really to blame and being upset because people can't separate the two. You can't. That's the nature of Islam - it is a religiously based political device. Cry over those who are trapped in it.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"What I am saying is that NOBODY is OUT to finish islam. Nobody even intends to fight against islam. This is what we can't agree on.
How exactly would you "fight" against Islam? We can kill Muslims by the droves - but that doesn't ensure the ideology dies with them.
The only way to kill a religion is through education - challenging the very ideology with facts. Islam tries to take root in well-developed countries and it is here that it is shown to the world that it simply must change or it will have no place in advanced society.
Everybody is fighting Islam right now. The European countries are beginning to realize that Islam is anything but a religion of peace, and quite frankly, they seem to be growing tired of Islam's petulant ways. People are trying to encourage women's rights in the Middle East, and that is making quite the spectacle out of Sharia Law.
Yes, Islam has its apologists, but in order for them to appease the world, they are forced to have to defend Islam as being something it isn't. Given enough time, the religion of Islam will become a de-clawed kitten of its former self, much like the castration of the Christian religion in so many countries.
True, it's not happening fast enough, but dammit, Islam has a ton of followers, political processes have to work through the masses, and education tends to involve subsequent generations. Even I am a little concerned that things aren't moving fast enough to keep up with Islam's conversion rate.
QuoteIt is the biggest problem in the world today. Sorry if that offends you, but it is the truth.
I would like to know who sold you that bag of shit so I could learn from a master... doesn't so much offend me as amuse me.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"-The poor raped muslim women as if the rape culture is different in your country or anywhere else.
I'm not sure what was your point here. In the West, rape is a crime, and when you are caught doing it, you go to jail. OTOH, in Islamic countries, women who are raped and officially complained are often the ones sent to jail as being the ones who provoked.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"-The poor raped muslim women as if the rape culture is different in your country or anywhere else.
I'm not sure what was your point here. In the West, rape is a crime, and when you are caught doing it, you go to jail. OTOH, in Islamic countries, women who are raped and officially complained are often the ones sent to jail as being the ones who provoked.
Unless you are in the military, in which case you get fired and stigmatized. Or if you are in a place like Stubbenville, where they can't hold the people responsible to trial because football is more important. Or...
Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures, but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims, women and expecially men, like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"-The poor raped muslim women as if the rape culture is different in your country or anywhere else.
I'm not sure what was your point here. In the West, rape is a crime, and when you are caught doing it, you go to jail. OTOH, in Islamic countries, women who are raped and officially complained are often the ones sent to jail as being the ones who provoked.
Unless you are in the military, in which case you get fired and stigmatized. Or if you are in a place like Stubbenville, where they can't hold the people responsible to trial because football is more important. Or...
Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures, but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims, women and expecially men, like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.
The situation in the military has been horrible, but nonetheless when the five-star generals had to testify before Congress, they knew the cat was out of the hat, and things will not be allowed to continue as in the past. We don't have a perfect system, but the cry so far has been that in the words of one general, "When brave men and women volunteer to serve in our military, they know the risks involved. But sexual assault at the hands of a fellow service member should never be one of them."
Do we see that possibility of Islamic countries of being capable of such sweeping changes?
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"But they didn't even do anything serious to assimilate them. they were that absent.
We do the same thing to assimilate Muslims, Shoe, that we did to assimilate Catholics, Jews, the Irish, the Italians, etc. We give them the same rights and chances that we give everyone else. It worked for the Catholics. It worked for the Jews. It worked for the Irish. It worked for the Italians. Why isn't it working for the Muslims?
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"But they didn't even do anything serious to assimilate them. they were that absent.
We do the same thing to assimilate Muslims, Shoe, that we did to assimilate Catholics, Jews, the Irish, the Italians, etc. We give them the same rights and chances that we give everyone else. It worked for the Catholics. It worked for the Jews. It worked for the Irish. It worked for the Italians. Why isn't it working for the Muslims?
What about the Chinese and other Asian cultures that have a hard time assimilating into cultures and following their rules? They can't even blame it on their religion.
All the "races" above were of the same culture, and the one that isn't has had problems assimilating into society as well (Hasidic Jews).
Quote from: "Shiranu"Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures, but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims, women and expecially men, like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.
Ah, can't agree with you there. You mention a few instances as if this is common when it is not. Certainly due to the amount of rapes we have cases that make the news for the same reasons, but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries. I certainly think we can judge them on that. I can't for the life of me think of any case where a women in the US was sent to jail, or whipped or beaten for being raped.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Shiranu"Not saying women don't have it worse in Islamic cultures, but here in the U.S. anyways we tend to treat rape victims, women and expecially men, like shit... going as far as to often blame the victim in public (if not the court). So I don't think i can consider ourselves far enough ahead of the Muslim world to judge them on that.
Ah, can't agree with you there. You mention a few instances as if this is common when it is not. Certainly due to the amount of rapes we have cases that make the news for the same reasons, but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries. I certainly think we can judge them on that. I can't for the life of me think of any case where a women in the US was sent to jail, or whipped or beaten for being raped.
According to Leon Panetta, Defense Secretary, the number of assaults edged close to 19,000 just in the last year. That is not a small number. Less than one-fifth of reported cases end with charges, but of the near-19,000 estimated cases that aren't reported, an even smaller percentage of victims are seeing results (2.5%).
According to United States Department of Justice document Criminal Victimization in the United States, there were overall 191,670 victims of rape or sexual assault reported in 2005. That is REPORTED. According to the FBI, only 16% are reported, so that number is probably a good bit conservative.
1 out of 6 women have been raped or attempted to be raped. That is not a small number.
We have media personality, pastors and elected politicians saying that women ask for it, that rape isn't as bad as people say it is, that women should just sit back and enjoy it. We do not have a culture that allows raped women to try to get legal help because then they would be seen as "sluts who are trying to make an extra buck by screwing a guy over", or their job would be threatened or the rapist will hurt them if they report it.
So yes, it is maybe a bit better for raped women here, but not much. We are not a country that protects raped women. Just because we don't persecute them with our laws doesn't mean we don't persecute them with our actions, and as such we do not have a significantly different culture to judge them and say that we are any better.
I think that the title of the OP - Earth v Islam is wrongly worded.
What it should be, and this is consistent with the Islamic texts, Islam v Earth. Or rather Islam v all other religions, or lack of.
There are plenty of verses in the Quran and the hadits to affirm that.
Quran 2:193, 8:38, 47:4, 9:5, 9:29, 9:111 and the like.
Islam commands eternal warfare [jihad] against non believers. It is every Muslims religious duty.
Some people can't get their heads around that, and denies that it exist.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "Aletheia"How exactly would you "fight" against Islam? We can kill Muslims by the droves - but that doesn't ensure the ideology dies with them.
'You' are killing muslims by the droves right now. The amount of people killed in ME by US forces reached the proportions of genocide. It's just makes people more fundamental. Funny how you can't get that.
The troops were withdrawn from Iraq.
There are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?
You cannot have it both ways, if we are killing muslims in Afghanistan as you claim then you cannot claim the Taliban does not represent Islam or muslims
QuoteThere are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?
Are you assuming there is no such thing as collateral damage, or do you think assume that everyone killed by a US soldier was automatically a member of the taliban?
Just because they're fighting the taliban doesn't mean they aren't killing lots of muslims as collateral. Or igniting the already unstable situation even more, causing the taliban to kill more people as well.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteThere are troops in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban, are those the troops you claim are killing muslims by the droves, why are they not killing every muslim and only targeting the fundamentalists?
Are you assuming there is no such thing as collateral damage, or do you think assume that everyone killed by a US soldier was automatically a member of the taliban?
You did say you were not going to reply to me yet here you are replying to my posts, you are obviously not a man of your word.
Every shot fired from an aircraft is videotaped by several cameras, i know pilots who have had to abort bombing missions because of the potential for collateral damage causing innocent deaths so you must be assuming these pilots do not obey the rules of engagement.
Yes the muslims are mighty mujahideen with god on their side, they dont suffer from friendly fire incidents because allah rewards them with a full serve of houris and a everlasting erection to service them with,Allah's will guides everything so none of the firepower from the mujahideen ever goes off target and kills innocent people.
If a friendly fire incident from the mujahideen ever kills innocent muslims do you think they will blame America and the jews for that?
The al Durrah hoax along with the lebanese ambulance hoax are reasons why i would never take the word of a muslim and do my own research on WTF happened.
Warning.......videos show muslims killing and injuring other muslims in friendly fire incidents, all deaths were probably blamed on the USA and the coalition of the willing.This guy aims a mortar straight up, watch them run when they realise it might come back down, how many innocent people were hurt/killed during filming of this video?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5lzjH2mgns[/youtube:2rwwje7x]
This dickhead with a RPG probably hurt a few innocent people
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj0v1V3M10g[/youtube:2rwwje7x]
Look at these mujahideen from the safety of video,see if anyone can spot a basic error, it must be allah's will eh?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCXGzrEKW0[/youtube:2rwwje7x]
This mighty holy warrior takes out the cameraman, why do you never hear about friendly fire incidents from Allah's holy warriors?
[youtube:2rwwje7x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvRLzux-fL8[/youtube:2rwwje7x]
QuoteYou did say you were not going to reply to me yet here you are replying to my posts, you are obviously not a man of your word.
To be honest, I didn't even remember it was you. I guess there's something wrong with my blocklist. Let me fix that.
EDIT: much better
Quote from: "baronvonrort"Warning.......videos show muslims killing and injuring other muslims in friendly fire incidents, all deaths were probably blamed on the USA and the coalition of the willing.
Comedy Gold!
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"And Jason is this a comedy gold too?
No. But then that's not wannabe soldiers playing with high explosives.
Tell me you didn't laugh your arse off when that idiot with the mortar fired his round straight up into the air!
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"This was my point. The main subject entry for this point is 'how people of Western Cultures tend to see their problems as completely different than rest of the world, how they are manipulated to define theirs by contrast within those non western cultures, while there isn't really much of difference.
You have some very strange views about "Western Culture". You're painting with a very broad brush there and it obscures whatever point you're trying to make.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"-The poor raped muslim women as if the rape culture is different in your country or anywhere else.
I'm not sure what was your point here. In the West, rape is a crime, and when you are caught doing it, you go to jail. OTOH, in Islamic countries, women who are raped and officially complained are often the ones sent to jail as being the ones who provoked.
Oh yes in US they are not sent to jail, there are other 'punishments' rape victims -man or woman- to suffer in Western countries. The 'provocation rule' stands though.
It seems like you define yourself as 'smart'. Why don't you take a break from teaching 'high science' to AF members and make a little research about the general rape culture in the world. Start from recent Western reports. I am sure your intelligence would be enough to see -eventually if with sincere effort- that although this issue is accepted as something unique to certain cultures and countries -like some others- the real picture is not like that at all.
This was my point. The main subject entry for this point is 'how people of Western Cultures tend to see their problems as completely different than rest of the world, how they are manipulated to define theirs by contrast within those non western cultures, while there isn't really much of difference.
Shiranu, gave you some direct hints like what is going on in military or there are recent 'open' cases. You could have started there.
No I wasn't trying to make a full study of the rape situation in the entire world, I was trying to get clarification from
your statement. But thanks for being such an asshole.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.
As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.
=D>
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.
As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.
So asking you for your clarification is asking you to lower your standard?!? Wow, your logic is all screwed up. No wonder Turkey never produced any great scientists or mathematicians. Worse, you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide. But with the kind of logic you're demonstrating, it's no wonder your country is all screwed up.
This conversation is beautifully hilarious.
Quote from: "Plu"This conversation is beautifully hilarious.
Coming from someone who has shown so much hypocrisy is hilarious.
Apparently it doesn't show to you how this is exactly the same conversation we had yesterday, except with the roles reversed :) And you're acting exactly like we did. All that high and mighty attitude you think you have, apparently doesn't really work out in reality.
When you act like an asshole, people will act like an asshole back. And now you're doing the same thing.
Quote from: "Plu"Apparently it doesn't show to you how this is exactly the same conversation we had yesterday, except with the roles reversed :) And you're acting exactly like we did. All that high and mighty attitude you think you have, apparently doesn't really work out in reality.
When you act like an asshole, people will act like an asshole back. And now you're doing the same thing.
So you posted something that was 6-year old, I pointed that out, and you think I'm an asshole. If you don't know how ridiculous you sound, you're hopeless.
See how you're not even reading my posts anymore since I started acting like an asshole? How's that for "objectively judging people on the content of their posts" on your side. :)
Quote from: "Plu"See how you're not even reading my posts anymore since I started acting like an asshole? How's that for "objectively judging people on the content of their posts" on your side. :)
But you can't change the facts. You made a post of a news that was 6-year old. All I did is pointed that out. And from there, you accused me of being an asshole. And you can't admit, you were wrong.
QuoteAll I did is pointed that out.
No, I had been reading posts about you acting like an elitist asshole all day :) From
there on out, I accused you of acting like an asshole.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteAll I did is pointed that out.
No, I had been reading posts about you acting like an elitist asshole all day :) From there on out, I accused you of acting like an asshole.
And which posts would that be? If you are thinking about my post to
Solitary, in which I will admit I was rude, but that's because he had accused me wrongly that I was trying to fool him, when in reality I was trying to help him. If you don't know what was happening the decent thing is for you to stay out of it, or get yourself informed, instead of jumping to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
I don't see the relevance of what Solitary said. You were acting like an asshole to him in that thread, and then in his other thread, and then in mine as well.
If you act like an asshole to someone else acting like an asshole, that's not justification, it's just two people acting like assholes :) (And I'll freely admit that I like acting like an asshole from time to time as well. But at least I'm not going to pretend I'm better than anyone else.)
That said, I'm not in as bad a mood as yesterday, so I'm not really interested in arguing for arguing's sake right today. And since this is getting kinda offtopic, I'll just drop the subject and be nice to you again from here on out :)
Quote from: "Plu"I don't see the relevance of what Solitary said. You were acting like an asshole to him in that thread, and then in his other thread, and then in mine as well.
If you act like an asshole to someone else acting like an asshole, that's not justification, it's just two people acting like assholes :) (And I'll freely admit that I like acting like an asshole from time to time as well. But at least I'm not going to pretend I'm better than anyone else.)
That said, I'm not in as bad a mood as yesterday, so I'm not really interested in arguing for arguing's sake right today. And since this is getting kinda offtopic, I'll just drop the subject and be nice to you again from here on out :)
Fine. Peace.
But for the record, all I did is give
Solitary the calculation for the energy of a rocketship, what I got is this:
QuoteYou can fool people here with your equations and take what I say out of context instead of answering my questions by being disingenuous, but you don't fool me. Blah.....
viewtopic.php?f=81&t=1103&start=30 (http://atheistforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=81&t=1103&start=30)
I don't think that
Solitary was being fair. I know he is interested in that stuff, which is fine with me. But I was trying to give him more than what you would get from reading your run-of-the-mill website. I guess I will stay out of his little cocoon from now on.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Plu"See how you're not even reading my posts anymore since I started acting like an asshole? How's that for "objectively judging people on the content of their posts" on your side. :)
But you can't change the facts. You made a post of a news that was 6-year old. All I did is pointed that out. And from there, you accused me of being an asshole. And you can't admit, you were wrong.
No one here is wrong about accusing you of behaving like an asshole. [1]
Stop it. Be an expert in wherever your power lies. You'll get all the credit you deserve. You don't have to be a prick about it. Plu can get along with ANYbody and then some. Never a nicer person will you meet in your life.
jesus
[1] and I still cling to the hope that You are Not an asshole.......merely posing as one. For reasons unknown. :shock:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Plu"See how you're not even reading my posts anymore since I started acting like an asshole? How's that for "objectively judging people on the content of their posts" on your side. :)
But you can't change the facts. You made a post of a news that was 6-year old. All I did is pointed that out. And from there, you accused me of being an asshole. And you can't admit, you were wrong.
No one here is wrong about accusing you of behaving like an asshole. [1]
Stop it. Be an expert in wherever your power lies. You'll get all the credit you deserve. You don't have to be a prick about it. Plu can get along with ANYbody and then some. Never a nicer person will you meet in your life.
jesus
[1] and I still cling to the hope that You are Not an asshole.......merely posing as one. For reasons unknown. :shock:
Too late, I changed my
location to the appropriate place I come from. :twisted:
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So I guess these numbers are just Muslims killing Muslims as well...
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Note: Most strikes are signature strikes, where we don't know who we are killing. And then you can only be proven a non-combatant AFTER you have been killed and it requires an over-whelming amount of evidence that you were. This information has to come from your family, who are most likely peasants from north Pakistan or Yemen, and as such would have no means OF proving your innocence.
So that combatant to civilian ratio has to be far different, since civilian numbers are just "collateral damage". But I suppose that is just the funny Muslims flying those drones, killing other Muslims...
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.
As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.
So asking you for your clarification is asking you to lower your standard?!? Wow, your logic is all screwed up. No wonder Turkey never produced any great scientists or mathematicians. Worse, you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide. But with the kind of logic you're demonstrating, it's no wonder your country is all screwed up.
They didn't? That's news to me.
Also, many Turks DO recognize the Armenian genocide.
Nice racism though.
I think you two should just put each other on ignore, like I did recently with an individual who will remain unnamed.
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Good thing my wife is not around. She's Italian, hot with a volatile temper. You better not stick around my place. I won't be able to guarantee your safety. 8-)
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.
As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.
So asking you for your clarification is asking you to lower your standard?!? Wow, your logic is all screwed up. No wonder Turkey never produced any great scientists or mathematicians. Worse, you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide. But with the kind of logic you're demonstrating, it's no wonder your country is all screwed up.
They didn't? That's news to me.
Where have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_ ... ecognition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_recognition)
QuoteAlso, many Turks DO recognize the Armenian genocide.
Sure, you can count them on your two fingers.
QuoteNice racism though.
I didn't know that Turks constitute as a whole race. Now, that would be news!
QuoteWhere have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
The Turkish GOVERNMENT. You might not have noticed this, but government don't (hold your horses now) always represent their people.
QuoteSure, you can count them on your two fingers.
"I don't like you, therefor everyone in your nation is EBILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!"
I can count all the Americans that aren't 400 pound, gun-totting, arrogant ass fucks on two fingers too! What, that doesn't apply to you? NO TOO BAD, I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND YOU ARE AMERICAN/BRITISH/CANADIAN/WHOEVERIAN, THEREFOR YOU ARE STEREOTYPICAL INSULT FOR THAT NATIONALITY!
QuoteI didn't know that Turks constitute as a whole race. Now, that would be news!
Whatever, however you feel the need to justify bigotry. Racism is the word that would be commonly used, I disagree with it, but it is what it is.
QuoteWhere have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
By that logic, the US people support everything the US government pushes through as well.
I mean; the turkish people are at least protesting their government, while the US people take their government's commands up the ass without a peep. :)
Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteWhere have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
The Turkish GOVERNMENT.
QuoteSure, you can count them on your two fingers.
"I don't like you, therefor everyone in your nation is EBILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!"
I can count all the Americans that aren't 400 pound, gun-totting, arrogant ass fucks on two fingers too! What, that doesn't apply to you? NO TOO BAD, I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND YOU ARE AMERICAN/BRITISH/CANADIAN/WHOEVERIAN, THEREFOR YOU ARE STEREOTYPICAL INSULT FOR THAT NATIONALITY!
QuoteI didn't know that Turks constitute as a whole race. Now, that would be news!
Whatever, however you feel the need to justify bigotry. Racism is the word that would be commonly used, I disagree with it, but it is what it is.
Ok, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me. Even little Israel beat the shit out of them. Recall the Mavi Marmara ship fiasco, 3 years ago. They are still asking for restitution. Yeah, good luck on that.
QuoteOk, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me.
Well, they do have a nobel prize winner :D Just one, but then you only asked for one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhan_Pamuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhan_Pamuk)
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteOk, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me.
Well, they do have a nobel prize winner :D Just one, but then you only asked for one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhan_Pamuk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhan_Pamuk)
For literature??? :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: Sorry, that doesn't count.
However, the fact that they burned his books and tried to assassinate him multiple times, he has my entire sympathy. I'll be man enough to admit that I am wrong. There is ONE Turk that deserves some admiration.
Leave it to a beta student to underestimate how intelligent good writers are :)
Sometimes I think you're some sort of walking stereotype, or something. Which is quite rare on these boards.
Quote from: "Plu"Leave it to a beta student to underestimate how intelligent good writers are :)
Sometimes I think you're some sort of walking stereotype, or something. Which is quite rare on these boards.
Bet anything you haven't read any of his stuff, probably would hate his writing, yet you readily assume he is a good writer. Now look who is stereotyping?
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteWhere have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
The Turkish GOVERNMENT.
QuoteSure, you can count them on your two fingers.
"I don't like you, therefor everyone in your nation is EBILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!"
I can count all the Americans that aren't 400 pound, gun-totting, arrogant ass fucks on two fingers too! What, that doesn't apply to you? NO TOO BAD, I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND YOU ARE AMERICAN/BRITISH/CANADIAN/WHOEVERIAN, THEREFOR YOU ARE STEREOTYPICAL INSULT FOR THAT NATIONALITY!
QuoteI didn't know that Turks constitute as a whole race. Now, that would be news!
Whatever, however you feel the need to justify bigotry. Racism is the word that would be commonly used, I disagree with it, but it is what it is.
Ok, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me. Even little Israel beat the shit out of them. Recall the Mavi Marmara ship fiasco, 3 years ago. They are still asking for restitution. Yeah, good luck on that.
Holy mother of bigotry.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Ok, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me. Even little Israel beat the shit out of them. Recall the Mavi Marmara ship fiasco, 3 years ago. They are still asking for restitution. Yeah, good luck on that.
Holy mother of bigotry.
So obviously you don't know one smart Turk. You lose.
No comment accept this:
My last name is Lindblad and sounds like Sinbad, I know more than one Tukish person male and female from being at science and mathematic conferences in my day, and they are all smarter than any American I know, or knew, accept Stephen Hawking and Richard Feynman, and just maybe even John Rousopolous a friend from way back when.
Janet Akyüz Mattei
Paris Pi?mi?
Ali Akansu
Selman Akbulut
Cahit Arf
Attila A?kar
Kerim Erim
Feza Gürsey
Masatoshi Gündüz Ikeda
Mehmet Nadir
Salih Zeki
Arif Salimov
Halil Mete Soner
Ay?e Soysal
Tosun Terzio?lu
Ali Ülger
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Ismail Akbay
Engin Ar?k
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As?m Orhan Barut
Nihat Berker
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Hilmi Volkan Demir
Ordal Demokan
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Feza Gürsey
Ziya Burhanettin Güvenç
Ataç ?mamo?lu
Erdal ?nönü
Behram Kur?uno?lu
Ekmel Özbay
Turgay Uzer
Ahmet Y?ld?z
Oh! I'm sorry, that's more than one. :oops: :rollin: Bill
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Ok, if you know one smart Turk, please point him/her to me. Even little Israel beat the shit out of them. Recall the Mavi Marmara ship fiasco, 3 years ago. They are still asking for restitution. Yeah, good luck on that.
Holy mother of bigotry.
So obviously you don't know one smart Turk. You lose.
"Name ONE smart black person! "
"Dude, that's racist. "
"Ha, you didn't name one, therefore there are no smart black people!"
Yup, you really nailed me, killer...
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"So obviously you don't know one smart Turk. You lose.
"Name ONE smart black person! "
"Dude, that's racist. "
"Ha, you didn't name one, therefore there are no smart black people!"
Yup, you really nailed me, killer...
There are a lot of smart black people. Your ignorance is astounding.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"So obviously you don't know one smart Turk. You lose.
"Name ONE smart black person! "
"Dude, that's racist. "
"Ha, you didn't name one, therefore there are no smart black people!"
Yup, you really nailed me, killer...
There are a lot of smart black people. Your ignorance is astounding.
Not sure if trying to be cute or seriously a fucking moron...
josephpalazzo is a troll, a Poe, or just a huge bigot. I'm honestly not sure, but none of these solutions are really a good outcome.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu""Name ONE smart black person! "
"Dude, that's racist. "
"Ha, you didn't name one, therefore there are no smart black people!"
Yup, you really nailed me, killer...
There are a lot of smart black people. Your ignorance is astounding.
Not sure if trying to be cute or seriously a fucking moron...
So you get outsmarted and you're last resort is ad hominem attack. It won't help you. You still lose.
Quote from: "Plu"josephpalazzo is a troll, a Poe, or just a huge bigot. I'm honestly not sure, but none of these solutions are really a good outcome.
I'm all that, and much, much more... a lot more than your little brain can take.
Yeah, I thought so. I guess it was a mistake to not block you right away.
Quote from: "Plu"Yeah, I thought so. I guess it was a mistake to not block you right away.
:Hangman:
So you outsmarted me by completely misunderstanding me or pretending you are illiterate. Golly jee, you are good...
Edit: and in either case you proved my point, making you the idiot either way. Good job, mate.
Quote from: "Shiranu"So you outsmarted me by completely misunderstanding me or pretending you are illiterate. Golly jee, you are good...
Edit: and in either case you proved my point, making you the idiot either way. Good job, mate.
I know it's demanding a lot from your small IQ, but let's face the facts: it's not my fault if you can't show me one smart Turk.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"So you outsmarted me by completely misunderstanding me or pretending you are illiterate. Golly jee, you are good...
Edit: and in either case you proved my point, making you the idiot either way. Good job, mate.
I know it's demanding a lot from your small IQ, but let's face the facts: it's not my fault if you can't show me one smart Turk.
Okay, I will try to use small words for you.
-I changed word "Turk" to "Black".
-I used your question, but with "Turk" replaced with "Black".
-I used my response of, "That's racist/bigoted".
-You responded twice now that, because I did not name one smart Turk (black), there are no smart Turks (blacks).
With me so far? I know that was alot, but stay with me here...
Because I am not naming one smart Turk (which has already been done multiple [that means more than once] times) because your argument is inherently both flawed and bigoted does not validate your position. The comical part is that, when you say there are smart blacks... no shit, sherlock, that is the point. Just because you didn't name one didn't mean that all blacks are therefor idiots, and just because I didn't name one means that all Turks are therefor idiots. Likewise just because you say all Turks are idiots does not automatically mean that is correct.
So using your argument, you believe all blacks are idiots because you didn't name a specific black. Good job, racist.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"So you outsmarted me by completely misunderstanding me or pretending you are illiterate. Golly jee, you are good...
Edit: and in either case you proved my point, making you the idiot either way. Good job, mate.
I know it's demanding a lot from your small IQ, but let's face the facts: it's not my fault if you can't show me one smart Turk.
Okay, I will try to use small words for you.
-I changed word "Turk" to "Black".
-I used your question, but with "Turk" replaced with "Black".
-I used my response of, "That's racist/bigoted".
-You responded twice now that, because I did not name one smart Turk (black), there are no smart Turks (blacks).
With me so far? I know that was alot, but stay with me here...
Because I am not naming one smart Turk (which has already been done multiple [that means more than once] times) because your argument is inherently both flawed and bigoted does not validate your position. The comical part is that, when you say there are smart blacks... no shit, sherlock, that is the point. Just because you didn't name one didn't mean that all blacks are therefor idiots.
So using your argument, you believe all blacks are idiots because you didn't name a specific black. Good job, racist.
I could name you a hundred smart Black people, but you can't even name one smart Turk. You lose.
QuoteI could name you a hundred smart Black people, but you can't even name one smart Turk. You lose.
You didn't name one black person, all blacks are stupid. You lose.
:rollin:
You realize this has nothing to do with black people and all you are doing is CONTINUING to prove my point. Man, I feel bad for you now :.
He's just a troll. Don't bother with him.
Quote from: "Plu"He's just a troll. Don't bother with him.
Nothing better to do, this thread was ETD from the get-go. And if he is actually serious, then it is funny to see someone who is so full of himself because of his "massive intelligence" making a completely buffoon of himself.
Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteI could name you a hundred smart Black people, but you can't even name one smart Turk. You lose.
You didn't name one black person, all blacks are stupid. You lose.
:rollin:
You realize this has nothing to do with black people and all you are doing is CONTINUING to prove my point. Man, I feel bad for you now :.
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•Dizzy Gillespie
•Jimi Hendrix
•Billie Holiday
•Michael Jackson
•Robert Johnson
•Diana Ross
•Stevie Wonder
Quote from: "Validus"I would respectfully point out that to my knowledge no Buddhist monk has ever blown up a building, killed others for having different beliefs in Death Camps
You got to be a monk? Anyways, you should check out the history of buddhists in Japan massacring essentially any christians they could find.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteI could name you a hundred smart Black people, but you can't even name one smart Turk. You lose.
You didn't name one black person, all blacks are stupid. You lose.
:rollin:
You realize this has nothing to do with black people and all you are doing is CONTINUING to prove my point. Man, I feel bad for you now :.
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•Jimi Hendrix
•Billie Holiday
•Michael Jackson
•Robert Johnson
•Diana Ross
•Stevie Wonder
And again, you realize it has nothing to do with blacks right, but the fact that you are making a blanket statement and assuming that all Turks (blacks in my example) are idiots unless you prove me wrong.
Were these people idiots until you posted them on here? Was it the words posted on a thread that magically made these people intelligent?
You are saying that all Turks, because of your bigotry, are idiots unless you are proven wrong. Me posting any names (names that have been posted before or other names) will not magically make these people intelligent. And I have no reason to indulge in your bigotry and give it even a shred of credibility. YOU are the one claiming that an ENTIRE group, a group of millions of people, there is not a SINGLE smart one out there. That claim is as outrageous as me claiming all Americans are 400 lb, gun-totting, arrogant assholes or that all blacks are hood rat, uneducated gang bangers and don't deserve the time of day to be answered or even taken seriously.
So why should your position be treated with any more credibility? Because YOU say so?
Quote from: "aitm"but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries.
We did, through the first half of the 20th century. Any rape victim who pressed the matter with the police had to face almost as bad a situation as many Muslim women do today. If they weren't married or widowed or virgins when they were raped, it wasn't considered such a bad thing, since the woman was obviously of dubious moral character. If she dressed provocatively (which could mean a skirt 1/2" shorter than someone thought was appropriate), she was asking for it. If the "rapist" was her husband it wasn't rape, since a husband had the "right" to have sex with his wife.
About the only thing we didn't do was imprison or kill rape victims.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"You didn't name one black person, all blacks are stupid. You lose.
:rollin:
You realize this has nothing to do with black people and all you are doing is CONTINUING to prove my point. Man, I feel bad for you now :.
•Maya Angelou
•Ralph Ellison
•Alex Haley
•Lorraine Hansberry
•Langston Hughes
•Zora Neale Hurston
•Toni Morrison
•Walter Mosley
•Richard Wright
•Ella Baker
•Stokely Carmichael
•W.E.B. DuBois
•Medgar Evers
•Marcus Garvey
•Martin Luther King Jr.
•Malcolm X
•James Meredith
•Elijah Muhammad
•Rosa Parks
•Bobby Seale
•Fred Shuttlesworth
•Emmett Till
•Ida Bell Wells-Barnett
•Walter White
•Roy Wilkins
•Josephine Baker
•Halle Berry
•Bill Cosby
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•Morgan Freeman
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•Daniel Hale Williams
•Ralph Bunche
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•Minnie Joycelyn Elders
•Jesse Jackson
•Daniel "Chappie" James
•Thurgood Marshall
•Kwesi Mfume
•Colin Powell
•Clarence Thomas
•Andrew Young
•Coleman Young
•Marian Anderson
•Louis Armstrong
•Harry Belafonte
•Chuck Berry
•Ray Charles
•Nat King Cole
•Miles Davis
•Duke Ellington
•Aretha Franklin
•Dizzy Gillespie
•Jimi Hendrix
•Billie Holiday
•Michael Jackson
•Robert Johnson
•Diana Ross
•Stevie Wonder
And again, you realize it has nothing to do with blacks right, but the fact that you are making a blanket statement and assuming that all Turks (blacks in my example) are idiots unless you prove me wrong.
Were these people idiots until you posted them on here? Was it the words posted on a thread that magically made these people intelligent?
You are saying that all Turks, because of your bigotry, are idiots unless you are proven wrong. Me posting any names (names that have been posted before or other names) will not magically make these people intelligent. And I have no reason to indulge in your bigotry and give it even a shred of credibility. YOU are the one claiming that an ENTIRE group, a group of millions of people, there is not a SINGLE smart one out there. That claim is as outrageous as me claiming all Americans are 400 lb, gun-totting, arrogant assholes or that all blacks are hood rat, uneducated gang bangers and don't deserve the time of day to be answered or even taken seriously.
So why should your position be treated with any more credibility? Because YOU say so?
I don't think your reading skills are up to par. I'll repeat: can you name me one smart Turk? Dude, I can't simplifly more than this. You can extrapolate all you want from that question, but that's just your little brain which can't seem to process the right info.
As for the OP, and the overall discussion:
Is Islam a problem? Yes! The doctrines and philosophy causes and/or is used to excuse/command a lot of human suffering it would otherwise be hard to find justification for. Though all religions are problematic, yes, even the ones promoting peace Islam is currently the religion causing the most amount of damage.
Is Islam the biggest problem in the world? Hardly. What about poverty? What about hunger? What about lack of pure drinking water? What about essentially every government in the world lying and being corrupt to one degree or another? And there are a lot of categories like "intrusive governments" or "lack of education", etc. that would just as easily take a lot of the blame for the problems caused in Islamic countries that many will connect to the religion no matter what. This is a very complex picture, and there are a lot of different factors contributing to terrible situations all around the world.
Should Islam be fought? Yes! Intelectually rather than militarily of course. You can't shoot an idea, and ideology wise Islam is far more lucid than say Nazism. There are legions of muslim moderates, or muslims almost just in name only no more dangerous or problematic than Christian, Jewish, etc. moderates. But then I didn't say we should fight muslims, I said we should fight Islam, and then I am speaking of the doctrines within Islam. They need to be destroyed intelectually, and Islam need to see a broader moderation, just like Christianity in the west. And this will probably not be that far away. In say 50-100 years when the quality of life and resources in Islam-dominated countries are increased they are likely to follow the same model we have seen time and time again everywhere else. Education, questioning and opportunity are the key.
QuoteI don't think your reading skills are up to par. I'll repeat: can you name me one smart Turk? Dude, I can't simplifly more than this. You can extrapolate all you want from that question, but that's just your little brain which can't seem to process the right info.
I don't think YOUR reading skills are up to par. I'll repeat: Your question is one based on bigotry and faulty reasoning, and as such has zero reason to be treated with any legitimacy. I can't simplify it any more than this. You can cry about that all you want, but it's your arrogance and your bigotry that cant seem to process this info.
But I will ask again: What gives your bigoted question anymore credibility than asking me to prove that blacks are not all ghetto, uneducated gang bangers or all Italians or Jersey Shore, fist pumping wops?
@La Dolce Vita: Good post.
Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteI don't think your reading skills are up to par. I'll repeat: can you name me one smart Turk? Dude, I can't simplifly more than this. You can extrapolate all you want from that question, but that's just your little brain which can't seem to process the right info.
I don't think YOUR reading skills are up to par. I'll repeat: Your question is one based on bigotry and faulty reasoning, and as such has zero reason to be treated with any legitimacy. I can't simplify it any more than this. You can cry about that all you want, but it's your arrogance and your bigotry that cant seem to process this info.
But I will ask again: What gives your bigoted question anymore credibility than asking me to prove that blacks are not all ghetto, uneducated gang bangers or all Italians or Jersey Shore, fist pumping wops?
I ask you a simple question, then you go off on a tangent with wild speculation. You need to look at your own crazy stuff. Sorry, but you need to see a shrink.
Your question is inherently both flawed and bigoted, but instead of being a man and accepting it you throw a hissy-fit and act like a 10 year old who can't get his way.
There is no speculation in this, this is not a tangent; you propose a flawed argument that is by its nature bigoted, then there is no obligation for me to answer it. This doesn't therefor prove you are correct, it simply shows your question is wrong.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "aitm"but we don't have a religion/culture that actively, willingly and openly treat the raped women with such distain as moslem countries.
We did, through the first half of the 20th century. Any rape victim who pressed the matter with the police had to face almost as bad a situation as many Muslim women do today. If they weren't married or widowed or virgins when they were raped, it wasn't considered such a bad thing, since the woman was obviously of dubious moral character. If she dressed provocatively (which could mean a skirt 1/2" shorter than someone thought was appropriate), she was asking for it. If the "rapist" was her husband it wasn't rape, since a husband had the "right" to have sex with his wife.
About the only thing we didn't do was imprison or kill rape victims.
Oh! I thought we were talking about current events. My fault.
A list of the worlds top twenty intellectuals. #1 and #4 are from, ah, Turkey.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... s?page=0,0 (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/06/16/the_world_s_top_20_public_intellectuals?page=0,0)
Quote from: "Jmpty"A list of the worlds top twenty intellectuals. #1 and #4 are from, ah, Turkey.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... s?page=0,0 (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/06/16/the_world_s_top_20_public_intellectuals?page=0,0)
I am ......sure...that that is a ...er....perfectly reasonable list.
wait a minute...Al gore and Steven Colbert on the list? Ah, tis a joke....you silly you.
I don't get it... Al Gore definitely belongs there and Colbert is certainly an amazing satirist, which requires a high amount of intelligence.
I doubt very much that that list has anything to do with the ACTUAL top 20 intellectuals of the world. I doubt that any of those are actually on the list.
Quote from: "aitm"I doubt very much that that list has anything to do with the ACTUAL top 20 intellectuals of the world. I doubt that any of those are actually on the list.
Quote from: "aitm"I doubt very much that that list has anything to do with the ACTUAL top 20 intellectuals of the world. I doubt that any of those are actually on the list.
I will agree with you there, but there are two more examples of Turkish intellectuals he will dismiss because all Turks are evil idiots.
Shir, if there was a way of actually finding the top 20 I would hold that the world probably has never heard of any of them. The world is a popularity contest. I can imagine there are hundreds of true genius's that we will never know of.
Maybe you should actually read the article.
Quote from: "Jmpty"Maybe you should actually read the article.
Maybe you should. It most certainly is not a list of the worlds top intellectuals. It is a list of people who gathered enough votes to put them on a list called "top intellectuals". Still though, I think it is a piece by the Onion.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Jmpty"Maybe you should actually read the article.
Maybe you should. It most certainly is not a list of the worlds top intellectuals. It is a list of people who gathered enough votes to put them on a list called "top intellectuals". Still though, I think it is a piece by the Onion.
Not enough westerners on the list for you, I guess, as we all know that the west is the center of the universe. Did you happen to see the top 100 list that was mentioned in the article? Another Onion list?
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteWhere have you been? The Turkish government has actively lobbied dozens of countries not to pass any resolution to officially recognize the Armenian genocide.
By that logic, the US people support everything the US government pushes through as well.
I mean; the turkish people are at least protesting their government, while the US people take their government's commands up the ass without a peep. :)
I read the whole thread, and although there are lots of things I wanted to respond to, I think it is safer (for me), if I refrain.
I just wanted to comment on this one thing though. Americans ARE protesting our government, in droves! The Occupy Movement (which is often about economics, but can be about anything, is generally anti-war), is just being ignored by our own media, and therefore most other media as well.
Living near Portland Oregon, I've seen hundreds, and once over a thousand people marching in the streets with anti-war, anti-big business, or anti-whatever-the-hell-they are-mad-at-our-government-about protest signs, and recently, and for more than a year now. It is just that....it isn't doing anything because our media seems to be controlled mostly by our government now, or something.
Just wanted to clarify that, many Americans are actively protesting our government's actions. I do wish it were more, though. :-?
Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"As for the OP, and the overall discussion:
Is Islam a problem? Yes! The doctrines and philosophy causes and/or is used to excuse/command a lot of human suffering it would otherwise be hard to find justification for. Though all religions are problematic, yes, even the ones promoting peace Islam is currently the religion causing the most amount of damage.
Is Islam the biggest problem in the world? Hardly. What about poverty? What about hunger? What about lack of pure drinking water? What about essentially every government in the world lying and being corrupt to one degree or another? And there are a lot of categories like "intrusive governments" or "lack of education", etc. that would just as easily take a lot of the blame for the problems caused in Islamic countries that many will connect to the religion no matter what. This is a very complex picture, and there are a lot of different factors contributing to terrible situations all around the world.
Should Islam be fought? Yes! Intelectually rather than militarily of course. You can't shoot an idea, and ideology wise Islam is far more lucid than say Nazism. There are legions of muslim moderates, or muslims almost just in name only no more dangerous or problematic than Christian, Jewish, etc. moderates. But then I didn't say we should fight muslims, I said we should fight Islam, and then I am speaking of the doctrines within Islam. They need to be destroyed intelectually, and Islam need to see a broader moderation, just like Christianity in the west. And this will probably not be that far away. In say 50-100 years when the quality of life and resources in Islam-dominated countries are increased they are likely to follow the same model we have seen time and time again everywhere else. Education, questioning and opportunity are the key.
Also, all of this. It was nice to read a post that addressed the original topic very well.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Your question is inherently both flawed and bigoted, but instead of being a man and accepting it you throw a hissy-fit and act like a 10 year old who can't get his way.
There is no speculation in this, this is not a tangent; you propose a flawed argument that is by its nature bigoted, then there is no obligation for me to answer it. This doesn't therefor prove you are correct, it simply shows your question is wrong.
The question was right as it proves you know sweetfuckall about Turkey. A simple google search on Turkey and history would have screamed the name Atarturk. It would be like saying Abe Lincoln or George Washington to an American. He is an icon in Turkey, a great reformer who put Turkey on the map after its crushing defeat in WW1. But I couldn't figure out if you were dense, ignorant or you have embraced a political correctness that went awry. I believe it's all three in your case. You sound like those idiots upon hearing any criticism of Israel, the word "anti-semitism" comes out of their mouth. Do you have any idea how many people criticize the US on any given day? Of the 7 billion people on this planet about half or 3.5 billion criticizing the US. Are they bigot according your mental retarded brain? It's part of daily life to criticize anyone's culture, country, religion or belief you happen to disagree with.
BTW, I have been twice to Turkey. I can show you pictures of me and my wife shopping in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul or just strolling along the streets of Oran, or Ephesus. Over the years, I have taught dozens of young lads from Turkey. I kid around with them, they kid around with me.
Perhaps in a few months you will realize you've been had. I gave you enough rope to hang yourself, and you did a good job all by yourself.
Ciao bambino. Have a long and prosperous life.
Quote from: "Solitary"No comment accept this:
My last name is Lindblad and sounds like Sinbad, I know more than one Tukish person male and female from being at science and mathematic conferences in my day, and they are all smarter than any American I know, or knew, accept Stephen Hawking and Richard Feynman, and just maybe even John Rousopolous a friend from way back when.
Janet Akyüz Mattei
Paris Pi?mi?
Ali Akansu
Selman Akbulut
Cahit Arf
Attila A?kar
Kerim Erim
Feza Gürsey
Masatoshi Gündüz Ikeda
Mehmet Nadir
Salih Zeki
Arif Salimov
Halil Mete Soner
Ay?e Soysal
Tosun Terzio?lu
Ali Ülger
Turgay Uzer
Dogan Abukay
Ismail Akbay
Engin Ar?k
Bülent Atalay
As?m Orhan Barut
Nihat Berker
Gökhan Budak
Durmus A. Demir
Hilmi Volkan Demir
Ordal Demokan
Tekin Dereli
?smail Hakk? Duru
Feza Gürsey
Ziya Burhanettin Güvenç
Ataç ?mamo?lu
Erdal ?nönü
Behram Kur?uno?lu
Ekmel Özbay
Turgay Uzer
Ahmet Y?ld?z
Oh! I'm sorry, that's more than one. :oops: :rollin: Bill
What, no acknowledgment for my list of the very intelligent Turkish top scientist and mathematician I've known from the past, and a few now. I feel so avoided and lonely, it must be the meds. 8-[ :) :-D :rollin: 8-) Solitary
QuoteIn our last issue, we named the world's top 100 public intellectuals and asked readers to vote for those they deem most deserving of the top honors. Now, 500,000 votes later, we reveal the results of the reader poll. Plus, members of the Top 100 name the intellectuals they believe should have made the list.
Yeah, the article? Probably not very accurate.
(For starters, the list seems to be missing Stephen Hawking but includes Ayaan Hirshi Ali, when I'm pretty sure that the former is widely considered the greatest genius alive and the latter is just your average politician)
Not to mention that the list is "public intellectuals", which means that all the
real intellectuals probably aren't even on it, since most of them spend their time working on stuff instead of building their public image.
Now I wouldn't say that any of the people on this list aren't smart (and so it easily disproves joseph's non-point, although I really can't see why anyone bothers because if he'd been a theist he'd have been banned by now for being a bigoted arsehole) but I wouldn't exactly call a list of "public intellectuals" the same as a list of "greatest intellectuals".
Quote from: "Jmpty"Not enough westerners on the list for you, I guess, as we all know that the west is the center of the universe.
I am sure it is as accurate and factual as any survey taken at Oral Roberts University would include Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggart and Billy Graham as intellectuals or perhaps in Lousiana may have David Duke at the top of the list.
I like how the article also mentions that many actually pretty much begged for votes...unbiased I am sure.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Aww, what's wrong? You don't like to be patronised and treated as an ignorant? What a coincidence, most people don't.
As it is written in the post, my statement IS based on those studies mentioned. If you are going to claim something about it please inform yourself immediately. I cannot lower my standards to teach you common knowledge.
So asking you for your clarification is asking you to lower your standard?!? Wow, your logic is all screwed up. No wonder Turkey never produced any great scientists or mathematicians. Worse, you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide. But with the kind of logic you're demonstrating, it's no wonder your country is all screwed up.
He wrote this? :rollin:
I hate to break this to you joseph, but you are not as smart as you think. The 'logic demonstrated' in that post belongs to you. It's written to ridicule your common attitude. And your answer is not just pathetic, it is also hostile and bigoted.
What is "you're still in denial of the Armenian genocide" doing in this conversation? Do you know my opinion on the subject? Am I a government official? What's your logic here, if you have any that is?
I hate to break this to you but it's too bad you didn't take the trouble to read the whole thread. Like Shir, you've been had with your high horse of political correctness.
But your post is correct in one tiny part -"it is hostile". That's what was my intention, and that's because after I had ever replied to one of your post for the very first time, and all you could think is get on your high horse to give me a "morality" lesson, why because I was rude to somebody else, which had absolutely nothing to do with you, and showed you didn't know all the facts why I had been rude to that person, which means not only your political correctness is off the radar but you are gullible, impulsive to rush to judgment and full of shit.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Quote from: "Shiranu"Your question is inherently both flawed and bigoted, but instead of being a man and accepting it you throw a hissy-fit and act like a 10 year old who can't get his way.
There is no speculation in this, this is not a tangent; you propose a flawed argument that is by its nature bigoted, then there is no obligation for me to answer it. This doesn't therefor prove you are correct, it simply shows your question is wrong.
The question was right as it proves you know sweetfuckall about Turkey. A simple google search on Turkey and history would have screamed the name Atarturk. It would be like saying Abe Lincoln or George Washington to an American. He is an icon in Turkey, a great reformer who put Turkey on the map after its crushing defeat in WW1. But I couldn't figure out if you were dense, ignorant or you have embraced a political correctness that went awry. I believe it's all three in your case. You sound like those idiots upon hearing any criticism of Israel, the word "anti-semitism" comes out of their mouth. Do you have any idea how many people criticize the US on any given day? Of the 7 billion people on this planet about half or 3.5 billion criticizing the US. Are they bigot according your mental retarded brain? It's part of daily life to criticize anyone's culture, country, religion or belief you happen to disagree with.
So because I refused to answer a flawed question, I therefor knew nothing about the people referred to in the country? That I was expected to Google search Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and tell you about his establishment of the Secular Republic of Turkey (Turkiye Cumhuriyeti) in the 1920s (22-23' IIRC)? That because I didn't answer your flawed question, I obviously know nothing about Turkiye, even though it is in the Middle East... an area I have studied the culture and history of for quite awhile now? And given that it, Iran and Israel are my three favorite histories and cultures in the region... your right, I sure as shit don't know anything about Turkiye :roll:...
If you wanted me to give you a history lesson on Turkiye, I would have been fine with that. Maybe if you weren't on YOUR high horse you would notice this. I didn't answer you because you are a condescending asshole who asks a flawed and bigoted question that is not worthy of being answer, and what is response? "LOL NO U DA BIGOT!". THAT is why I didn't answer you. I doubt you will get off your own ego pony long enough to realize that though.
QuoteTW, I have been twice to Turkey. I can show you pictures of me and my wife shopping in the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul or just strolling along the streets of Oran, or Ephesus. Over the years, I have taught dozens of young lads from Turkey. I kid around with them, they kid around with me.
Perhaps in a few months you will realize you've been had. I gave you enough rope to hang yourself, and you did a good job all by yourself.
Ciao bambino. Have a long and prosperous life.
"Look guys, I have black friends so I can't be racist!"
(Personally, I don't think you are. But your question was, so...)
Yeah, you sure had me... asked a flaw question, get called on it, and reply, "LOL NO U!". You SUREEEEEE got me, teach...
What ever, if you feel like you won and that makes you feel good... by all means, enjoy your victory. You deserve it. Congrats.
Quote from: "Plu"josephpalazzo is a troll, a Poe, or just a huge bigot. I'm honestly not sure, but none of these solutions are really a good outcome.
Wow - so a couple of us called it on day one? lol Good job Plu.
(not to mention he has zero sense of humor so won't last here)
In case anyone cares - Drunzie lives in Turkey and I think she's pretty smart. I don't have to google some list of who-evers out there in Turkey to name a smart person. I already know her.
*shakes head*
Troll/trouble maker should be ignored. He's just NP with a slightly better vocab and some math under his belt. Big Whoop! Not even creative enough to warrant this much attention. We've had far more interesting trolls here before.
*yawn*
Surely this thread is not heading to a shit fest. Surely not.
QuotePlu is right though.
Of course I am 8-)
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"I really don't care or find offensive that someone thinking Turkiye not producing any scientists and present this as some sort of an accusation. The country cannot provide anything needed for its gifted citizens and not just for science, but to be successful and use their potential in the best way possible, they immigrate to united states. My sister is one of them for example. I also had the chance to meet one of those real brains immigrated to the US, because he is my father's classmate from university. We call that brain immigration. I have been called many names because I support what these people do. Good for them.
But the disgusting thing here is trying to attack someone with the place she was born in. That's the very definition of fascism.
I criticise every country's international policy harshly. To me Turkiye, US , Isreal, UK, France, Iran this and that country HAS NO DIFFERENCE when it comes to politics and policies, its government and state. They all have the same mechanism. But I never see or treat American people or this and that people responsible from any result of the policy their government forced upon them. On the contrary, I see -it's hard not to- that the same bullshit is going every square meter of this planet. For example, majority of my country's population is constituted of people I described above as 'American Idiot'. I also tried to emphasize this countless times by telling that states and govs do not serve for people that problems are the same problems everywhere with different makes ups and scales from rape to media and from freedom of speech to government manipulation.
People should be able to see that people are same everywhere, but just the scale, quality of oppression and power of the system they live under changes.
And thank you Bri.
You're welcome. Why do we spell Turkey differently? Am I using the Americanized version? Or am I just out of date as to the correct way to spell the name of your country?
Memo to me....... I DO need a new globe. Not sure I know the world anymore.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? .
Fuck Turkey if they don't have people smart enough to spell it right.
:popcorn:
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? .
Fuck Turkey if they don't have people smart enough to spell it right.
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
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Quote from: "drunkenshoe":lol: Well Bri, I keep typing it that way automatically, because it's easier for me as it is almost exactly written like that in Turkish. Türkiye. And also doesn't sound like a bird or a food name. Shiranu, adopted it a little I guess. So the name hasn't changed.
Yeah, I try to spell countries as people from there would, not the westernized versions. And it looks better as well...
Quote from: "aitm"Surely this thread is not heading to a shit fest. Surely not.
I find your optimism heartwarming :D
I'm fascinated when I see pictures from Turkey.........
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From the internet:
Turkey is a Eurasian country and has Ankara as its capital. The country stretches from the Anatolian peninsula in western Asia to Thrace (Rumelia) in the Balkan region of southeastern Europe. It is because of this strategic location of Turkey that it has become blessed with a unique blend of Eastern and Western traditions The country stands surrounded by eight countries, namely Bulgaria, Greece, Georgia; Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq and Syria. The Mediterranean Sea and Cyprus fall to the south of Turkey, while the Aegean Sea and Archipelago are in its west and Black Sea in the north. To get some more interesting information on Turkey, read on.
Fun & Interesting Facts about Turkey:
Turkey is officially known as the 'Republic of Turkey'.
Turkey is a democratic, secular, unitary and constitutional republic.
The Republic of Turkey was founded on October 29, 1923, under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
Turkey is a member of the Council of Europe (1949), NATO (1952), OECD (1961), OSCE (1973) and the G20 industrial nations (1999).
Turkey became an associate member of European Union 1963 and reached a customs union agreement in 1995.
The capital of Turkey is Ankara, while its largest city is Istanbul.
The major religion of Turkey is Islam, while its official language is Turkish. Kurdish, Dimli and Azeri are also spoken in the country.
The monetary unit of Turkey is New Turkish lira.
The part of Turkey in Europe is called 'Thrace', while the part in Asia is called 'Anatolia'.
The highest peak in Turkey is Mount Agri (5,166 m). It is also said to be the place where Noah's Ark came to rest.
The largest lake in Turkey is Lake Van.
Anatolia, the part of Turkey that is in Asia, was settled by Ionians (Greeks from Attica). It houses the Classical Greek Ionic column.
The Temple of Artemis (Diana), one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, was in Ephesus.
The Mausoleum at Halicarnassus, in southwestern Turkey, was one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.
St Paul (Saul) was born in Tarsus, situated to the east of Mersin.
Istanbul, initially Constantinople, was the capital of the Byzantine Empire and the Ottoman Empire.
St. Peter's Church, situated in Antioch (Antakya) - Turkey, is the first church built by man.
St. Nicholas was born in Demre, on the Mediterranean coast of Turkey.
It were the Turks who introduced coffee to Europe.
Istanbul is the only city in the world that is spread over two continents.
Cherry was first introduced to Europe from Giresun (Northern Turkey).
All the 'Seven Churches' of Apocalypse are situated in the Aegean region of Anatolia, namely Ephesus, Smyrna (Izmir), Pergamum, Thyatira (Nazilli), Sardis, Philadelphia (Alasehir) and Laodicea.
The oldest known human settlement is in Catalhoyuk, Turkey (dating back to 7th millennium BC).
It was in ancient Anatolia that writing was first used by people.
The oldest tin mine in the world has been found in Göltepe, 60 miles to the south of Tarsus.
Turkey is the only secular Muslim country amongst all the Muslim countries in the world.
Turkey is one of the few countries in the world that is agriculturally self-sufficient.
There are approximately 9,000 species of flowers in Turkey, out of which 3,000 are native.
Solitary
You didn't name a smart Turks. You lose.
(Okay, fine you named Ataturk... but fuck you, that's why.)
This topic goes on tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, and creeps in this petty pace from day to day to the last syllable of recorded time. And all its yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out! Out! Brief candle, life's but a walking shadow told by a poor player that struts frets its hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. We can hope. :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"I didn't know a few of them.
QuoteThe oldest known human settlement is in Catalhoyuk, Turkey (dating back to 7th millennium BC)
But there is an update related to this. We posted this link a few times before. This is 6000 years older than Stonehenge. I want to see that.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-a ... -tepe.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html)
I don't know what to say about Turks in general. I had to unlearn a lot about them just in the last two weeks. I thought something was dead in them, I was wrong. :shock:
Needlessly to say there are many backwards things in the country too.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"I didn't know a few of them.
QuoteThe oldest known human settlement is in Catalhoyuk, Turkey (dating back to 7th millennium BC)
But there is an update related to this. We posted this link a few times before. This is 6000 years older than Stonehenge. I want to see that.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-a ... -tepe.html (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/gobekli-tepe.html)
I don't know what to say about Turks in general. I had to unlearn a lot about them just in the last two weeks. I thought something was dead in them, I was wrong. :shock:
Needlessly to say there are many backwards things in the country too.
But doesn't every country have good and bad? (As it should be) Not like I can go America Bragging without someone being justified in pointing out our idiots and our massive mistakes. So.....
No country is perfect because no ONE is perfect.
my two cents worth you asked for not (Yoda speak)
God is perfect you dumb witch! signed: Jesus H. Christ.
Quote from: "Solitary"God is perfect you dumb witch! signed: Jesus H. Christ.
Listen jebsus: I realize that you've got a reputation to uphold but you're going about it all wrong. What you need to do is show up and have a little visit-poo with the human race if you want your deal to hold water. Your gig is simply outdated. So make an appearance and turn a few barrels of water into wine, make some blind people see again and revamp your mind warp. Your followers are getting more and more bizarre and not worth paying attention to. Only the really weird make the headlines nowadays and those priests are not pious but self righteous altarboy fondlers. Not pretty.
I think it was YOU who said 'he without sin can cast the first stone'. Want I should start to throw rocks at you?
Clean up your gig, man. Get er done. All this hocus-pocus just makes us witches look all the more sane for doing our own holy whatnots without your help. And daddy? Daddy is just an absentee landlord.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? .
Because she's foreign :popcorn:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Solitary"God is perfect you dumb witch! signed: Jesus H. Christ.
Listen jebsus: I realize that you've got a reputation to uphold but you're going about it all wrong. What you need to do is show up and have a little visit-poo with the human race if you want your deal to hold water. Your gig is simply outdated. So make an appearance and turn a few barrels of water into wine, make some blind people see again and revamp your mind warp. Your followers are getting more and more bizarre and not worth paying attention to. Only the really weird make the headlines nowadays and those priests are not pious but self righteous altarboy fondlers. Not pretty.
I think it was YOU who said 'he without sin can cast the first stone'. Want I should start to throw rocks at you?
Clean up your gig, man. Get er done. All this hocus-pocus just makes us witches look all the more sane for doing our own holy whatnots without your help. And daddy? Daddy is just an absentee landlord.
Hey! Give me a break, I saved the cross from the Twin Towers didn't I. Dog. Sorry! I'm dyslexic.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? Am I using the Americanized version? Or am I just out of date as to the correct way to spell the name of your country?
Memo to me....... I DO need a new globe. Not sure I know the world anymore.
Why do we call it Spain, not Espana? Why do we call it Germany, not Deutchland? Why do we call it Turkey, not Turkye?
Every language has its own version of place names. They change from language to language. It's been this way through recorded history - and probably since before that.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? Am I using the Americanized version? Or am I just out of date as to the correct way to spell the name of your country?
Memo to me....... I DO need a new globe. Not sure I know the world anymore.
Why do we call it Spain, not Espana? Why do we call it Germany, not Deutchland? Why do we call it Turkey, not Turkye?
Every language has its own version of place names. They change from language to language. It's been this way through recorded history - and probably since before that.
Damn... I do call Deutchland Germany and not Deutchland...
(To be fair to me, Germany sounds better...)
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Why do we spell Turkey differently? Am I using the Americanized version? Or am I just out of date as to the correct way to spell the name of your country?
Memo to me....... I DO need a new globe. Not sure I know the world anymore.
Why do we call it Spain, not Espana? Why do we call it Germany, not Deutchland? Why do we call it Turkey, not Turkye?
Because it's Espa
ña, Deut
schland and T
ürk
iye? 8-)
(Just teasing, Colanth...)
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Quote from: "Solitary":rollin: [-X Bill
I know, I'm such an asshole... :( :wink:
Erdogan claims Jewish investors behind protests (//http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4392414,00.html)
QuoteAt first he blamed opposition, hooligans, foreign governments, now Turkey's PM charges Western, Jewish financiers of scheming to topple economy through prolonged demos
Ooops, wrong thread. Just realized. :oops:
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"That fascist pm brought everyone together in many ways. I keep thanking pr ffs. :shock:
:lol:
Hey, get a room you two! :P