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Title: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Jannabear on March 01, 2017, 03:58:42 PM
I saw this from demsoc01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-4gsDjAKg
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Depends on if you are a Chinese communist, and if you consider Chang Kai-shek as the alternative.  Both leaders killed millions of their own people, both before, during and after the Japanese-Chinese war.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 04:54:04 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Depends on if you are a Chinese communist, and if you consider Chang Kai-shek as the alternative.  Both leaders killed millions of their own people, both before, during and after the Japanese-Chinese war.

A childhood Mao death might have saved the world a LOT of grief... 
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 07:05:59 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 04:54:04 AM
A childhood Mao death might have saved the world a LOT of grief...

True, but I would say that of every baby.  Just ask the mother who has to birth them.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 07:05:59 AM
True, but I would say that of every baby.  Just ask the mother who has to birth them.

No, some babies became doctors, scientists, and even some politicians who actually did good things.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
No, some babies became doctors, scientists, and even some politicians who actually did good things.

Says you.  The trauma of one mother's labor isn't worth the whole of the human race.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
Says you.  The trauma of one mother's labor isn't worth the whole of the human race.

Definite road to extinction.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Shiranu on March 05, 2017, 02:16:55 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 02, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
Says you.  The trauma of one mother's labor isn't worth the whole of the human race.

Many mother's disagree with you.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2017, 04:10:47 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on March 05, 2017, 02:16:55 AM
Many mother's disagree with you.

The Mother's labor
Brings forth some who will repeat
The cycle of life...
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: trdsf on March 05, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 04:54:04 AM
A childhood Mao death might have saved the world a LOT of grief...
There are a lot of world leaders about whom you could make that charge, past and current.  Mao is hardly unique, even among totalitarians.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Shiranu on March 05, 2017, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: trdsf on March 05, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
There are a lot of world leaders about whom you could make that charge, past and current.  Mao is hardly unique, even among totalitarians.

Unique in scale, not in action.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: aitm on March 05, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
There is thought that the nazi's torturing methodology led to many beneficial medical breakthroughs. This is open to great argument, but ask yourself truthfully...should your little one lay dying and the method to save was produced by brutal...brutal methods....... Spock?
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Atheon on March 06, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Because of Mao, the Internet is censored in China. At least Taiwan has totally uncensored Internet.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Baruch on March 06, 2017, 12:24:14 PM
Quote from: Atheon on March 06, 2017, 10:06:49 AM
Because of Mao, the Internet is censored in China. At least Taiwan has totally uncensored Internet.

And I hope that continues.  It is clearly the intent of Henry Kissinger and the other tupper-ware sleeping zombies ... that the US should become like mainland China.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: etienne on March 16, 2017, 09:04:46 AM
Mao was, IMO, the most profound and influential human being in the history of civilization.  He took Marxism and DIDDIT on a yooge scale!  Good vid, thanks for posting it, Jason Unruhe vids re Mao are better.

(p.s., I wipe my ass with Foxaganda)
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: etienne on March 16, 2017, 09:16:55 AM
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 06:09:16 PM
Depends on if you are a Chinese communist, and if you consider Chang Kai-shek as the alternative.  Both leaders killed millions of their own people, both before, during and after the Japanese-Chinese war.
Seriously, you dont know shit on the subject, so why dont you just stop.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: etienne on March 16, 2017, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: aitm on March 05, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
There is thought that the nazi's torturing methodology led to many beneficial medical breakthroughs. This is open to great argument, but ask yourself truthfully...should your little one lay dying and the method to save was produced by brutal...brutal methods....... Spock?
Sure, murder 100s of 1000s of concentration camp victims, so your kid can live.  Makes perfect sense, why should you give a shit, right?  Just Jews, right?  It's all history, anyway, and Baruch says history doesn't exist or mean anything.  The connections between Mendele's brutal experiments amd modern medicine are dubious.  Buy hey, get you Mendele ON:

Quote
Josef Mendele, an ardent Nazi, served as medical officer with the Waffen SS during WW2, and was appointed chief doctor at the Auschwitz concentration camp where Jews were selected either for labour, extermination or medical experimentation. He became known as the ‘Angel of Death’, in charge of vast numbers of fatal, bizarre and brutal medical experiments which killed over 400,000 victims.

(http://i.imgur.com/g1MyAgB.jpg)

http://imgur.com/gallery/Ps1LL



Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Atheon on March 16, 2017, 10:26:45 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 05, 2017, 01:59:31 AM
Definite road to extinction.
Yet despite the tribulation of labor, we have persisted for millions of years since the time we looked more like apes.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Atheon on March 16, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: etienne on March 16, 2017, 09:16:55 AM
Seriously, you dont know shit on the subject, so why dont you just stop.
Both leaders were brutal dictators, but Mao was far, far worse. He had some good ideas in the early days, but later he implemented disastrous policies like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, and millions died as a result. China remains an oppressive regime (just ask the Tibetans... hell, just ask anyone trying to get on Facebook or YouTube in China). Taiwan, on the other hand, is one of Asia's most vibrant democracies, plus we have lightning-fast and unrestricted Internet here!
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 16, 2017, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: etienne on March 16, 2017, 09:04:46 AM
Mao was, IMO, the most profound and influential human being in the history of civilization.  He took Marxism and DIDDIT on a yooge scale!  Good vid, thanks for posting it, Jason Unruhe vids re Mao are better.

(p.s., I wipe my ass with Foxaganda)

Mao is in the grave like Hitler and Stalin.  I think he (like they) did nothing useful and much great harm.  Dead and I wish it had come earlier.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: etienne on March 16, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
Quote from: Atheon on March 16, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
Both leaders were brutal dictators, but Mao was far, far worse. He had some good ideas in the early days, but later he implemented disastrous policies like the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, and millions died as a result. China remains an oppressive regime (just ask the Tibetans... hell, just ask anyone trying to get on Facebook or YouTube in China). Taiwan, on the other hand, is one of Asia's most vibrant democracies, plus we have lightning-fast and unrestricted Internet here!
Wrong, guess you didnt watch the vid.  The Tibetans Lamas are a fascist theocracy that liked Hitler and used slave labor.  The slaves rebelled, Mao helped them.  The Dalai Lama is an fing idiot.  Nice try though.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2017, 11:01:40 PM
Quote from: etienne on March 16, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
Wrong, guess you didnt watch the vid.  The Tibetans Lamas are a fascist theocracy that liked Hitler and used slave labor.  The slaves rebelled, Mao helped them.  The Dalai Lama is an fing idiot.  Nice try though.

He is so wise, he realizes he is the last Dalai Lama .. and that is as it should be, not a tragedy.
Title: Re: thoughts on Mao Zedong?
Post by: Cavebear on March 18, 2017, 03:36:45 AM
Quote from: etienne on March 16, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
Wrong, guess you didnt watch the vid.  The Tibetans Lamas are a fascist theocracy that liked Hitler and used slave labor.  The slaves rebelled, Mao helped them.  The Dalai Lama is an fing idiot.  Nice try though.

Did you notice that Tibet is not China?  We were discussing China.