Trump begin his term of office with some serious violations of the separation of Church and State in his inaugural address.
He continued his quest on Feb 2,2017 speaking at a national prayer breakfast ( I think that the President going to a prayer breakfast as a guest or visitor and not saying anything is ok. Or if the President is a guest at a synagogue or a mosque is ok too. But when the President gets up to speak in support of that religion, that is not ok. That is a violation of the separation of Church and State.
Add on to this his announcement at the prayer breakfast that he is going to get rid of the Johnson ammendment (first time I heard of it; is a law that makes it illegal for priests and pastors to get involved in politics)
Presidents don't make laws. Unless they're dictators, which is what he is aiming for.
Curb your enthusiasm. You have four years to go (at least). If not eight.
Your TDS is becoming an OCD.
Fuck, wanted to get in here before pr or Munich started making excuses for Trump :\.
Quote from: fencerider on February 03, 2017, 05:21:07 AM
Add on to this his announcement at the prayer breakfast that he is going to get rid of the Johnson ammendment (first time I heard of it; is a law that makes it illegal for priests and pastors to get involved in politics)
Basically, yeah. It's the law that prohibits politicking from the pulpit and would revoke a church (or other charity's) tax-exempt status if they started endorsing candidates. Basically he wants to allow Pat Robertson and his kind to be able to run free infomercials for the Talebangelical wing of the Republican Party. You can tack onto that this earlier effort to legalize homophobia nationally (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2802) that seems to be resurfacing now that Asshole is in.
Ironically, when the Johnson Amendment was first proposed and passed in the 1950s, it was almost entirely non-controversial: people used to understand that the church and the state are two separate entities.
Not to worry..GAWD is only concerned about the outcome of the super bowl and not the decisions of the dicktaster in chief.. Divine intervention: will God decide Super Bowl 51?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2017/feb/03/god-super-bowl-51-patriots-falcons?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
This is just one more step toward the coming theocracy. Expect it to get worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Xkcl3bXp0
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Quote from: AristotleA tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.
Quote from: John Ashcroft, 5/8/99Unique among the nations, America recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not being civic and temporal. And because we have understood that our source is eternal, America has been different. We have no king but Jesus.
Quote from: Jerry FalwellThe idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
Quote from: Ralph ReedWhat Christians have got to do is take back this country one precinct at a time, one neighborhood at a time, and one state at a time...I honestly believe that in my lifetime we will see a country once again governed by Christians.
This is
not going to be fun to live through.
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I'm afraid the religious right fundamentalist fanatics want to force the end of the world so they can make Jesus come again. They believe that's all he's waiting for, the destruction of human civilization, and then he'll be here and rapture all his loving children - and punish the rest of us in burning hell forever.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 03, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
Fuck, wanted to get in here before pr or Munich started making excuses for Trump :\.
I've never made excuses for trump darling, merely pointing bs on both sides.
That said, you guys really have a problem, however this might lead to some hilarious events, if trump pushes this, what's to stop someone who isn't a Christian, say a Muslim, or a Satanist, from calling rules into practice.
Quote from: Munch on February 03, 2017, 03:05:00 PMif trump pushes this, what's to stop someone who isn't a Christian, say a Muslim, or a Satanist, from calling rules into practice.
I'll let you know when we get someone in high office who isn't a Christian. My guess is that they wouldn't marry religion and politics like the Republicans do.
I expect them to institute religious tests for such office, so that only Christians of the Dominionist persuasion can be in office - ever.
Though, of course, it can't happen here...
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Quote from: fencerider on February 03, 2017, 05:21:07 AM
Trump begin his term of office with some serious violations of the separation of Church and State in his inaugural address.
He continued his quest on Feb 2,2017 speaking at a national prayer breakfast ( I think that the President going to a prayer breakfast as a guest or visitor and not saying anything is ok. Or if the President is a guest at a synagogue or a mosque is ok too. But when the President gets up to speak in support of that religion, that is not ok. That is a violation of the separation of Church and State.
Add on to this his announcement at the prayer breakfast that he is going to get rid of the Johnson ammendment (first time I heard of it; is a law that makes it illegal for priests and pastors to get involved in politics)
The Johnson amendment, was put in at the behest of the Catholic Church, to silence liberal Catholics.
It was only semi-legal to be gay since I turned adult, and fully legal only a couple years ago. Before I turned adult it was illegal. While I don't support going backwards on this ... and I am a variant myself ... I understand a temporary reversal isn't going to put us back in the Stone Age, only back to circa 1987. I considered Edward Meese to be Satan back then. If you are gay married, then I think you should definitely move to Canada for awhile, rather than put up with moralist bullshit ... hopefully you can come back some day. Draft protestors had to do this before you.
QuoteI've never made excuses for trump darling, merely pointing bs on both sides.[/quoote]
Bs on both sides... so long as it's the side you disagree with. Aight.
Shiranu, despite what you think, I'm not pro trump, or pro conservative. And just because someone disagrees with extremist left doesn't automatically put them in the far right camp.
I know you think the world's out to get you, but it really isn't. The world isn't quite as black and white as that.
QuoteI know you think the world's out to get you...
Then you know nothing, Jon Snow.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 04, 2017, 05:27:51 AM
Then you know nothing, Jon Snow.
Game of Thrones for real ... it is kill or be killed, snowflakes. And keep an eye out for dragons.
It goes back further. Bush Sr was once asked about atheists and he said he didn't consider they should be considered citizens.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 05:20:05 AM
It goes back further. Bush Sr was once asked about atheists and he said he didn't consider they should be considered citizens.
That was posted elsewhere ... but in the context of Communism.
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 09:09:20 AM
That was posted elsewhere ... but in the context of Communism.
Bush said it Robert Sherman at a formal press conference at Chicago's O'Hare airport in which Mr. Bush, then vice president, said that he didn't think atheists should be considered citizens or patriots since, "we are one nation under God." It has been confirmed in later statements as fact.
At that time, in the popular imagination, Communism and atheism were the same thing. Of course to the Founding Fathers ... deity was the Freemasonry kind ... not Abrahamic, more like Mithraism.
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 11:54:54 AM
At that time, in the popular imagination, Communism and atheism were the same thing. Of course to the Founding Fathers ... deity was the Freemasonry kind ... not Abrahamic, more like Mithraism.
Bush Sr wasn't THAT long ago, LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 01:17:25 PM
Bush Sr wasn't THAT long ago, LOL!
Tell that to his poor gerontologist ;-( My mother is only a few years younger than he is. Doesn't look fun being a living fossil, a coelacanth.
Quote from: Baruch on February 03, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
If you are gay married, then I think you should definitely move to Canada for awhile, rather than put up with moralist bullshit ... hopefully you can come back some day. Draft protestors had to do this before you.
Yeah, Canada's going to have to build their own wall, to keep out American refugees. I wonder if they can get America to pay for it?
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:33:18 PM
Yeah, Canada's going to have to build their own wall, to keep out American refugees. I wonder if they can get America to pay for it?
Just found this:
Canadians want to build a wall, too â€" to keep Americans out (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/09/the-extreme-lengths-canadians-will-go-to-keep-americans-out/?utm_term=.6bfdfe44a397)
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:33:18 PM
Yeah, Canada's going to have to build their own wall, to keep out American refugees. I wonder if they can get America to pay for it?
Trump might as well build them both at the same time. Maybe he will outsource both of them to the Russians, who have some experience, but Ronald Reagan told them to "Tear down that wall," in an order he issued to Gorbachev, but by the time he issued the order, it was already pretty much demolished by the Kremlin, so it was kind of a silly order, but Reagan had forgotten that it was already gone because he had Alzheimer's; The Chinese have also built a dandy wall, but that was a while ago, and now it's just a tourist attraction. Trump will issue a bunch of one way permits for those who want to leave. And Trump will make the Canadians pay for it.
Walls do make a lot of sense, because nobody could ever climb over a wall. It just can't be done.
The wall of Jericho didn't work,
The Great Wall of China didn't work,
Hadrian's Wall didn't work,
The Berlin Wall didn't work,
So I bet Chump's Wall won't work, either...
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 09:08:17 PM
Just found this:
Canadians want to build a wall, too â€" to keep Americans out (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/09/the-extreme-lengths-canadians-will-go-to-keep-americans-out/?utm_term=.6bfdfe44a397)
What about Americans of Canadian descent? Can we have a some sort of right of return deal, like Jews and Israel?
I already like snow and hockey and pepper "eh?" in my sentences. I also hold doors open for people who are over
20 feet 6 meters away. And I could finally become fully fluent in French if that sweetens the deal. If the answer is still no, just let me say one last thing:
I'm sorry.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
The wall of Jericho didn't work,
The Great Wall of China didn't work,
Hadrian's Wall didn't work,
The Berlin Wall didn't work,
So I bet Chump's Wall won't work, either...
Yes, but killing barbarians (brown folk) didn't work either. Enjoy your new Visigoth masters.
One problem with walls, even the really high ones made out of thick bunker grade reinforced concrete, is that they require massive military forces to defend them. Why not just line up our guys on the border and shoot anyone trying to cross? In fact, without the wall, you might even be able to see Mexico from your house. You could see the drug runners and the immigrants coming long before they get to the border and mow them down at a greater distance, and at great savings, which we could then funnel into real estate development.
Quote from: SGOS on February 09, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
One problem with walls, even the really high ones made out of thick bunker grade reinforced concrete, is that they require massive military forces to defend them. Why not just line up our guys on the border and shoot anyone trying to cross? In fact, without the wall, you might even be able to see Mexico from your house. You could see the drug runners and the immigrants coming long before they get to the border and mow them down at a greater distance, and at great savings, which we could then funnel into real estate development.
The US is always about crooked real estate development, since Jamestown.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 08, 2017, 11:55:26 PM
What about Americans of Canadian descent? Can we have a some sort of right of return deal, like Jews and Israel?
I already like snow and hockey and pepper "eh?" in my sentences. I also hold doors open for people who are over 20 feet 6 meters away. And I could finally become fully fluent in French if that sweetens the deal. If the answer is still no, just let me say one last thing:
I'm sorry.
And soon the climate of Canada will be ever so much more tropical! Just think, Arctic beaches!
Quote from: SGOS on February 09, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
One problem with walls, even the really high ones made out of thick bunker grade reinforced concrete, is that they require massive military forces to defend them. Why not just line up our guys on the border and shoot anyone trying to cross? In fact, without the wall, you might even be able to see Mexico from your house. You could see the drug runners and the immigrants coming long before they get to the border and mow them down at a greater distance, and at great savings, which we could then funnel into real estate development.
I don't know why they don't just use land mines, like they've done in so many other places. Maybe "nucyular" land mines - yeah, that's the ticket!
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 08, 2017, 11:55:26 PM
What about Americans of Canadian descent? Can we have a some sort of right of return deal, like Jews and Israel?
I already like snow and hockey and pepper "eh?" in my sentences. I also hold doors open for people who are over 20 feet 6 meters away. And I could finally become fully fluent in French if that sweetens the deal. If the answer is still no, just let me say one last thing:
I'm sorry.
I am only a generation removed from northern Italy (and three from the south), surely that should be enough to go back? Maybe change my name back to Italian, convert to Islam or something, and get deported back?
When you get back to Italy ... convert from Islam to Catholicism ... because that is your ticket to the monastery. Just don't burn the library down like in Name Of The Rose.
Sr Bush saying atheist aren't Americans is a really ironic Holier-than-thou attitude. Don't forget papa Bush was a big CIA hitman. The conspiracies say he was made president to make sure that the statute of limitations for Iran contras and Nixon ran out under a friendly boss.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
The wall of Jericho didn't work,
The Great Wall of China didn't work,
Hadrian's Wall didn't work,
The Berlin Wall didn't work,
So I bet Chump's Wall won't work, either...
But they were all built, and at great cost. Futility doesn't stop the waste and the wasted effort.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 01:44:08 AM
But they were all built, and at great cost. Futility doesn't stop the waste and the wasted effort.
Life is a wasted effort, marriage is a wasted effort, gainful work is a wasted effort, children are a wasted effort. But I choose to do it anyway. Government programs are to burn taxpayer money ... not a wasted effort, even if digging holes and filling them back up again.
Quote from: Baruch on February 11, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
Life is a wasted effort, marriage is a wasted effort, gainful work is a wasted effort, children are a wasted effort. But I choose to do it anyway. Government programs are to burn taxpayer money ... not a wasted effort, even if digging holes and filling them back up again.
I am saddened by your pessimism and misery. How about I tell you a nice joke to bring a smile to you?
Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson went on a camping trip. After a good meal and a bottle of wine they lay down in the tent for the night, and went to sleep. Some hours later, Holmes awoke and nudged his faithful friend.
"Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see."
Watson replied, "I see millions and millions of stars."
"What does that tell you?" Watson pondered for a minute.
"Astronomically, it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo. Horologically, I deduce that the time is approximately a quarter past three. Theologically, I can see that God is all powerful and that we are small and insignificant. Meteorologically, I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. What does it tell you?â€
Holmes was silent for a minute, then spoke. "Watson, someone has stolen our tent!"Better?
nah we don't need a wall. Obama already proved that drones work. Stop pesterin Pakistan and put those drones by Sonora, Nogales, Las Cruses, and Calexico.
Quote from: Baruch on February 11, 2017, 09:35:50 AM
Life is a wasted effort, marriage is a wasted effort, gainful work is a wasted effort, children are a wasted effort. But I choose to do it anyway. Government programs are to burn taxpayer money ... not a wasted effort, even if digging holes and filling them back up again.
Yeah, as Darrow pointed out:
QuoteWe are born and we die; and between these two most important events in our lives more or less time elapses which we have to waste somehow or other. In the end it does not seem to matter much whether we have done so in making money, or practicing law, or reading or playing, or in any other way, as long as we felt we were deriving a maximum of happiness out of our doings.
And even that ... hedonism is a trap for suckers!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 11, 2017, 04:20:55 PM
Yeah, as Darrow pointed out:
Darrow was thoughtful and even profound on occasions... Life is what you do with it that matters to you so far as it harms no one.