Berkley university students are intolerant to ideas that doesn't agree with them.
Is that where you want to be, America?
https://youtu.be/y3z_jqbLCz0
https://youtu.be/UXigavix4UQ
My father, who witnessed the event, said "The fire ... was well outside the building, and started when a police-supplied floodlight caught on fire."
By the way, do you know what Milo does? He incites violence in his speeches; he singles people out, shows poster-sized photos of them, bullies them and then calls on people to attack them. This falls outside what it normally accepted as free speech, and it is why people protest him.
Milo is an "out" gay man who thinks that gay people shouldn't be "out". He incites violence, but whines when people protest him. He's basically hypocrisy on legs. Oh, and he works for Breitbart, a white supremacist propaganda site that trolls benevolent organizations with a view to destroying them.
The rioting wasn't started by Berkeley students either; it was started by anarchists who had nothing to do with the protests.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/2/2/14482840/anarchists-uc-berkeley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears
I've been to a number of protests in the San Francisco Bay Area (where I spent much of my life), and it always happens: unaffiliated anarchist groups with nothing better to do show up and cause trouble. If there's violence and vandalism, it;s them, not the protestors. I have seen them being arrested on a number of occasions after starting trouble.
I can certainly see why people would protest this piece of shit, but really, when you get destructive or violent about it that only serves to make him out to be the good guy. This type of behavior certainly seems to validate his "regressive left" propaganda and only serves to feed the paranoia he spreads. The douchebag is trying to incite just this type of behavior just so that he can use it as evidence that he's right. This helps noone but him.
https://youtu.be/hwzffeICkP8
Heres the thing people don't get about this. This is the authoritarian left striking out in their frustration to all recent events, unstable people with a political agenda of there own, but express it in this kind of manner. What nobody thinks about, as Dave Cullen made a point of, is when you have these kind of violent 'protesters' standing for the liberal left, in the foreground, doing things like this, speaking the same messages as the left do, it makes the left look like the assholes, and it makes people gravitate towards people like Milo or Trump.
In the same sense that its idiotic for any woman living in the west to support Isis or Sharia law, it should just as much have people on the left calling these psychotic cunts out on their bullshit, and not leaving it to right wing news outlets to blanket your entire side with the same image.
If the college admin chooses not to invite Milo, that is fine. The point is, the students consider themselves to be the college admin, only they aren't doing a sit in in the Dean's office, they are Yippies from the Democratic National Convention circa 1968. Yes, the Left, partying like it is 1848 and Marx just wrote the Communist Manifesto.
Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2017, 01:01:18 PMIn the same sense that its idiotic for any woman living in the west to support Isis or Sharia law
...which I have never seen an instance of.
Quote from: Atheon on February 02, 2017, 01:07:21 PM
...which I have never seen an instance of.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11429118/What-is-luring-Western-women-to-Syria-to-join-Isil.html
http://uk.businessinsider.com/european-women-who-join-isis-almost-never-leave-2015-5
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/06/the-isis-online-campaign-luring-western-girls-to-jihad.html
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/isis-brides-secret-world-jihad-western-women-syria
http://www.allenbwest.com/michele/tragic-teen-girl-joins-isis-learns-horrific-lesson-others-should-heed
http://nypost.com/2015/02/22/why-are-girls-flocking-to-isis/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29507410
http://abcnews.go.com/International/young-women-join-isis/story?id=29112401
http://www.icsve.org/brief-reports/isis-recruitment-of-western-women/
Quote from: pr126 on February 02, 2017, 10:15:24 AM
Berkley university students are intolerant to ideas that doesn't agree with them.
Is that where you want to be, America?
Certainly proves we're all just like that, don't it.
Who were those black-clad people, anyway? Could they have been agents provocateur bent on disrupting a peaceful demonstration? Could they have been Chump supporters bent on showing how "violent" the peaceful protesters are? How do we know who the hell those guys were?
Quote...it should just as much have people on the left calling these psychotic cunts out on their bullshit...
And we do. These people are idiots. They also don't represent the larger cause.
Guess what? That's the exact same shit I and others have been saying for years and you ignore.
It's not about people calling them out, it's about closing your ears, saying lalala and only seeing what you want to see.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 02, 2017, 04:56:27 PM
And we do. These people are idiots. They also don't represent the larger cause.
Guess what? That's the exact same shit I and others have been saying for years and you ignore.
It's not about people calling them out, it's about closing your ears, saying lalala and only seeing what you want to see.
Do you really care so much about what I think. Well if you do awww thats so sweet. But regardless even if it did matter, whats more important, one British guy acknowledging it, or the message being made public to the america public so they won't vote in someone like trump.
Well thats mote, since they already did, but maybe in four years they will get a better idea. Remember in americas political system, you will have your right and left wingers, its the rest that need to be won over and tilt the balance.
QuoteDo you really care so much about what I think.
We are on a forum, I care about what almost everyone thinks. If I didn't, I would not come here. Why would I read posts from people whom opinion I do not care?
Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2017, 05:17:15 PM
But regardless even if it did matter, whats more important, one British guy acknowledging it, or the message being made public to the america public so they won't vote in someone like trump.
The American people DID NOT vote in someone like Chump - he was placed in the office by the wealthy criminal class.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 06:04:12 PM
The American people DID NOT vote in someone like Chump - he was placed in the office by the wealthy criminal class.
Like everyone back to Jack Kennedy at least.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 03:40:07 PM
Who were those black-clad people, anyway? Could they have been agents provocateur bent on disrupting a peaceful demonstration? Could they have been Chump supporters bent on showing how "violent" the peaceful protesters are? How do we know who the hell those guys were?
If you mean the black clad guys at the Inauguration, I already posted on that. There is a highly organized (satire) system of anarchists who have been around for 20 years or so. See the post I copied on this from Sargon of Akkad.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 06:04:12 PM
The American people DID NOT vote in someone like Chump - he was placed in the office by the wealthy criminal class.
from my understanding, Hillary had more dirty dealings in the background then he did, or did he have more just not yet revealed?
Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2017, 08:02:16 PM
from my understanding, Hillary had more dirty dealings in the background then he did, or did he have more just not yet revealed?
Different class of criminal mind. NYC real estate vs Campaign contributions aren't bribes. I bet both know mafiosi in the Big Apple ... Hillary was a temporary US senator from NY. Generally speaking, you can't get anything done, in the US or in any other Third World Country ... with out baksheesh.
Real estate and politics are close relatives ... George Washington speculated on Ohio river lands, between the French-Indian War and he American Revolution.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 03:40:07 PM
Who were those black-clad people, anyway? Could they have been agents provocateur bent on disrupting a peaceful demonstration? Could they have been Chump supporters bent on showing how "violent" the peaceful protesters are? How do we know who the hell those guys were?
Black Bloc. They're anarchist troublemakers who go to protests to cause chaos. Many of them are anarchists in the true sense of the word: they just want the entire system torn down. I've seen them with my own eyes at protests. At the big anti-war protest in San Francisco in 2004, they showed up near the end of the march and started rioting, but were quickly surrounded by the police, unmasked and arrested. When I saw them unmasked, they looked like ordinary young people, both men and women, mostly white (whether that is significant, I don't know).
It's certainly possible that Milo may have invited them to come, but it is not necessarily the case, because they alert each other to large protests.
Why is Milo so detested by the left?
Because he holds up a mirror to them showing their hypocrisy, their lies, their brainwashed idiocy.
The left is taught to hate their culture, their country and most of all themselves.
Especially if they are "privileged" white males.
They are set against each other, fragmented, grouped by gender, color, sexual orientation, any which way, while screaming equality for all.
They purport to be tolerant and understanding while in reality they are authoritarian fascist.
Some call them selves ironically anti fascist.
This is the result of more than five decades of leftist indoctrination, starting at the first grade level, through the colleges and universities.They are also using mass migration from low IQ countries to speed up destabilization of western societies.
All designed to destroy western civilization, and to prepare for globalism.
One ring to rule them all,
one ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them..
It will not work. Every time someone started to create a utopia, many millions have died.
QuoteWhy is Milo so detested by the left?
Hmmm... can't imagine why...
(https://gendertrender.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/milo.jpg)
Nope, can't put my finger on it...
(http://image.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/pgmain/img/annarbornews_impact/photo/19814561-standard.png)
What could it be...
Glenn Beck on him: "You want the truth Milo? You are a hurt 13 year old boy. I don't know what pain you had to go through to make you so cold and distant from any feelings of compassion and basic kindness but causing hurt makes you into the monster you are running from."
But yes, I am sure it's just the left that get tired of his intentional trollish shenanigans and acting like a victim when people don't agree with him.
:roll:
"Women don't work as hard."
How many women are holding jobs like miners, sewage workers, trash collectors, road builders, steel industry, in effect something requires heavy, unsafe labor?
How about time off for looking after a new born? Men and women are biologically different.
If women paid less, then why would employers not choose women only for their labor force?
Well, that is what illegal immigrants are for.
As for Harry Potter and rape culture, yes it is made up. It is fantasy.
If you want to see real rape culture, come to Western Europe. Here it is real.
Just Google. You can't miss it.
Article about Black Bloc disrupting the Berkeley protests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/02/black-bloc-protests-return-for-trump-era-leaving-flames-broken-windows-from-dc-to-berkeley/?utm_term=.eed2fb6d9695
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyC80feMcgU
Quote from: pr126 on February 02, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Why is Milo so detested by the left?
Because of his hate speech, lies, mean-spiritedness, and odious, bigoted views. He spreads hateful messages about Muslims, transgender people, women, and even gay people (despite being gay himself). He also sees nothing wrong with rape.
But we oppose his speaking events because he
incites violence. He holds up posters of innocent people (often transgender students on the campuses where he speaks) and provides personal information about them and encourages people to attach them.
He's an asshole on 'roids. (You decide whether 'roids mean steroids or hemorrhoids.)
More on Black Bloc.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/02/what-black-bloc/97393870/
Quote from: Atheon on February 03, 2017, 12:19:33 AM
Because of his hate speech, lies, mean-spiritedness, and odious, bigoted views.
Pretty much, though I get the impression that a lot of that is just shit-stirring and he doesn't actually hold those views. Trolling, in the internet-savy youth vernacular.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnyiESKXgAANXb4.jpg)
Let's take a minute to really appreciate how messed up you have to be to get into a twitter slapfight with Onision and make Onision look good in comparison.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 03, 2017, 12:44:41 AM
Pretty much, though I get the impression that a lot of that is just shit-stirring and he doesn't actually hold those views. Trolling, in the internet-savy youth vernacular.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnyiESKXgAANXb4.jpg)
Let's take a minute to really appreciate how messed up you have to be to get into a twitter slapfight with Onision and make Onision look good in comparison.
Eh. This is not the best example imo. I think anyone that pisses on onision is funny when they piss on onision
But I do agree that Milo is a pretty shitty person
(http://www.rantpolitical.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/The-Guilty-As-Charged.jpg)
So far I've not seen anything milo yiannopoulos has done to be so hated, except by the more clueless alt left who can't take criticism. Maybe it's because his fans attack people on Twitter? Maybe he went to far with something he said once. He doesn't seem to be any worse then the amazing atheist.
I mean if his presence has caused students to go on a rampage and burn down things in their own town, he must have said some things to make them go that crazy, right?
Quote from: Munch on February 03, 2017, 04:20:40 AM
So far I've not seen anything milo yiannopoulos has done to be so hated, except by the more clueless alt left who can't take criticism. Maybe it's because his fans attack people on Twitter? Maybe he went to far with something he said once. He doesn't seem to be any worse then the amazing atheist.
I mean if his presence has caused students to go on a rampage and burn down things in their own town, he must have said some things to make them go that crazy, right?
No. He wasn't even able to say anything.
Hate speech is in the eye (ear) of the beholder.
If he is of a different opinion, then it is hate speech.
Do not dare disagree with liberals.
They can get pretty nasty. Like Ashley Judd.
More on Milo ... love him or hate him ...
http://bostonreview.net/politics-gender-sexuality/daniel-penny-milosexual-and-aesthetics-fascism
The left are promoting love, inclusiveness, tolerance, equality, and peace for all.
With violent rioting. Fighting imagined "fascist" with real fascist methods. (Projecting.)
Liberal Fascism (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Liberal-Fascism-History-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0141039507/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486194246&sr=1-1&keywords=liberal+fascism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHUNoxywvg
https://youtu.be/Saqo9FGvVlc
Canadian conservative, that has a ring to it.
I chose him to explain, so he cannot be labeled a white supremacist nazi.
Although I may be mistaken. The liberals are very inventive with their slurs.
He is certainly of a different opinion. That is enough reason to punch him in the face. Right?
QuoteHe is certainly of a different opinion. That is enough reason to punch him in the face. Right?
Different opinion seems good enough reason to handcuff a 5 year old boy, or turn down refugees. I don't approve of the Nazi being punched, but it's peanuts to what you advocate.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 04, 2017, 07:42:52 AM
Different opinion seems good enough reason to handcuff a 5 year old boy, or turn down refugees. I don't approve of the Nazi being punched, but it's peanuts to what you advocate.
The death camps are just getting started ...
"Patient, meine Schneeflocke"
Quote from: pr126 on February 02, 2017, 11:18:28 PM
Why is Milo so detested by the left?
Because he holds up a mirror to them showing their hypocrisy, their lies, their brainwashed idiocy.
The left is taught to hate their culture, their country and most of all themselves.
Especially if they are "privileged" white males.
They are set against each other, fragmented, grouped by gender, color, sexual orientation, any which way, while screaming equality for all.
They purport to be tolerant and understanding while in reality they are authoritarian fascist.
Some call them selves ironically anti fascist.
This is the result of more than five decades of leftist indoctrination, starting at the first grade level, through the colleges and universities.They are also using mass migration from low IQ countries to speed up destabilization of western societies.
All designed to destroy western civilization, and to prepare for globalism.
One ring to rule them all,
one ring to find them,
One ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them..
It will not work. Every time someone started to create a utopia, many millions have died.
To hold up a mirror to the Hard Right they'd have to sit on it.
Agent provocatuers are nothing new. It's been going on for a long long time. They were featured in the 1940s movie, The Grapes of Wrath. They were largely responsible for the downfall of the Union movement and on and on. History is littered with these types of people and the public has always fallen for it.
That aside there have been times when violent protest plays in the favor of the public. Occasionally it actually requires people willing to shed blood for what they know to be right. At this point in time someone giving his or her life to stop the current regime should be hailed as a national hero if given the opportunity. Think about this, when a soldier dies on the field of battle the public generally will hail them as a hero, right or wrong. When the same person is a civilian they're generally regarded as criminals even if the goal is exactly the same.
I don't condone violence and neither do most who fall on the left side of the fence. So don't pin that on "The Left". Lumping all characteristics of all groups together is not productive, accurate or particularly helpful. This is the kind of shit that is dividing our country and we are in a crisis.
That being said, Fuck Milo with a pineapple. He is a fucking pig, and Breitbart is nothing short of a hate publication. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/15/heres-why-there-ought-to-be-a-cap-on-women-studying-science-and-maths/
QuoteFuck Milo with a pineapple.
Exactly what is your beef against pineapples? I'd say fuck him with a rusty anvil.
This aside, I think we're headed towards times where violence isn't going to be avoided and those not willing to lay their lives on the line probably ought not bother protesting to begin with.
It sounds counter intuitive, but unfortunately there are many people who understand one thing and one thing only, violent repression. Does anyone realistically believe that to stop a violent regime all that's required is a handful of happy signs and chants?
I say this not because I desire violence. I most certainly do not and to a large degree I'm too old to get involved, but it may come down to either be willing to use force or just get out of the way and let the worst elements of society have their way.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 04, 2017, 10:55:31 AM
Agent provocatuers are nothing new. It's been going on for a long long time. They were featured in the 1940s movie, The Grapes of Wrath. They were largely responsible for the downfall of the Union movement and on and on. History is littered with these types of people and the public has always fallen for it.
That aside there have been times when violent protest plays in the favor of the public. Occasionally it actually requires people willing to shed blood for what they know to be right. At this point in time someone giving his or her life to stop the current regime should be hailed as a national hero if given the opportunity. Think about this, when a soldier dies on the field of battle the public generally will hail them as a hero, right or wrong. When the same person is a civilian they're generally regarded as criminals even if the goal is exactly the same.
Thank you, John Wilkes Booth.
Please protest every little thing ... so that your opposition is spread thin and trivialized. So when the new government actually does something egregious, you will be too weak and disregarded to be effective. Also please run better candidates, and nominate and run them in a more honest and democratic manner.
What the left is doing with their unreasonable volent riots, yes riots, - this is way passed normal demonstrations, - is that they are pawing the way for Trump second term.
More and more Americans will switch from democrats to republicans or something else.
They will not want to associate with undisclipined hysterical rabble rousers.
Behaving like spoiled brats, without any moral fibre.
The world is watching with dismay.
But the paid agent provocateurs ... ka-ching!
Quote from: pr126 on February 04, 2017, 12:12:31 PM
What the left is doing with their unreasonable volent riots, yes riots, - this is way passed normal demonstrations, - is that they are pawing the way for Trump second term.
More and more Americans will switch from democrats to republicans or something else.
They will not want to associate with undisclipined hysterical rabble rousers.
Behaving like spoiled brats, without any moral fibre.
The world is watching with dismay.
you are making the violent protesters out to be the norm. They are not.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 04, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
you are making the violent protesters out to be the norm. They are not.
No, there not the norm. But unfortunately, the media puts them in the limelight, and makes it that much easier for everyone else to think 'this is the standard for the left now'.
Quote from: Munch on February 04, 2017, 02:00:14 PM
No, there not the norm. But unfortunately, the media puts them in the limelight, and makes it that much easier for everyone else to think 'this is the standard for the left now'.
Well, that's interesting to see you admit that.
What then do you propose the left do to change that? If we denounce, it's ignored. If we tried to get them out, we are violent towards anyone who disagrees with us. It seems no matter what action is taken, it's a lose-lose situation.
The power is in the media's hand, if you believe they are focusing too much on the violent left (which I am not sold on, I think it is a small portion of the media and the larger portion is either indifferent or sympathetic), then what power do the "good guys" have? Is it not up to the average person to not over-saturate misinformation rather than to expect the media to change?
Not sure when I gave the impression I thought otherwise.
This is simply a rage filled hormonal culture war at the moment, that the media films and puts out. When you have the loudest of these people screaming into a camera and waving their arms, anyone who has a rational point to make won't be heard. The only possible solution is to wait for them to burn out and die down, when things are calmer, to start pushing for more rational solutions.
The ones in these protests have no solutions, its why they are raging and burning things, because thats what chimps do when they feel threatened
Quote from: pr126 on February 04, 2017, 01:58:23 AM
The left are promoting love, inclusiveness, tolerance, equality, and peace for all.
With violent rioting. Fighting imagined "fascist" with real fascist methods. (Projecting.)
Liberal Fascism (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Liberal-Fascism-History-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0141039507/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1486194246&sr=1-1&keywords=liberal+fascism)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHUNoxywvg
https://youtu.be/Saqo9FGvVlc
It's liberal marxism/communism. Fascism is a conservative thing.
Please know what you're talking about if you're going to be all whiny about it.
Quote from: Munch on February 04, 2017, 05:18:30 PM
Not sure when I gave the impression I thought otherwise.
I think it was your ugly digs at feminists.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 04, 2017, 07:26:44 PM
I think it was your ugly digs at feminists.
Maybe some feminists shouldn't have such ugly thoughts then, else be called out on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYCaSJ45dC4
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 07:08:01 PM
Like everyone back to Jack Kennedy at least.
I ask for evidence... It won't be as convincing as you hope.
Oh, oh, don't forget pr, it's just "some liberals" that do this, you know like "not all Muslims".
Phew, dodged a bullet there.
Quote from: Munch on February 05, 2017, 06:10:32 AM
Oh, oh, don't forget pr, it's just "some liberals" that do this, you know like "not all Muslims".
Phew, dodged a bullet there.
Sure, let's blame the liberals for everything. Ending slavery, granting women the vote, setting working hours for laborers, reducing the percentage of rats in foods, stopping leaded paint and leaded gasoline, etc.
(Not hitting you)
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 06:07:12 AM
I ask for evidence... It won't be as convincing as you hope.
Every President since Eisenhower has been shit. I don't need more evidence.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 06:14:57 AM
Sure, let's blame the liberals for everything. Ending slavery, granting women the vote, setting working hours for laborers, reducing the percentage of rats in foods, stopping leaded paint and leaded gasoline, etc.
(Not hitting you)
Past liberals all did good things. But its like sugar, it tastes good, it makes thing sweeter, but if you keep eating it, it will end up making you sick, or worse. Gotta have it in moderation. Otherwise, you get Linda Sarsour's.
Alright. We will just take environmental responsibility, an emphasis on education, working for shorter work weeks like the rest of the world, working on socialized medicine, an emphasis on fair trade policies rather than free trade, laws stopping corporate exploitation, anti-corruption laws, yada yada back since a few liberals hurt your little feelings. Those things aren't that important anyways.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 05, 2017, 11:22:47 AM
Alright. We will just take environmental responsibility, an emphasis on education, working for shorter work weeks like the rest of the world, working on socialized medicine, an emphasis on fair trade policies rather than free trade, laws stopping corporate exploitation, anti-corruption laws, yada yada back since a few liberals hurt your little feelings. Those things aren't that important anyways.
My feelings are intact hun, usually it just makes me laugh and I call out how ridiculous certain beliefs are. Liberalism makes things progressive, open and ahead of the times, but people take that belief and can go to far with it, until you have stuff like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0diJNybk0Mw
This, like when feminism goes to far and creates feminazis who hate all men, needs criticism thrown at it, to bring it back to a rational level that people can get behind.
Being real here, it's fucking irritating, to see those who should be the sane, rational ones, standing against assholes like trump and religious doctrine, being just as bad as the ones their fighting against. If the answer is you have to be as bad as the ones your against, then fuck it, I'd sooner be apathetic
Jesus. You really have issues.
Quote from: Munch on February 05, 2017, 11:51:56 AMLiberalism makes things progressive, open and ahead of the times, but people take that belief and can go to far with it, until you have stuff like this.
I agree and obviously, I'm no fan of SJWs. So here's the gameplan: fight for liberal values but don't go full retard about it. Super simple stuff.
QuoteBeing real here, it's fucking irritating, to see those who should be the sane, rational ones, standing against assholes like trump and religious doctrine, being just as bad as the ones their fighting against.
This I don't agree with. Yeah, the left has an odious fringe. Just as bad? We've already discussed this. These people are nowhere near power. The same thing can't be said of the right.
The sane, rational thing to do is to reprioritize. There are bigger fish to fry. You don't have to forgive and you certainly don't have to forget, but you do have to move on.
QuoteIf the answer is you have to be as bad as the ones your against, then fuck it, I'd sooner be apathetic
That's not the answer though, or at least not my answer. I want to preserve American secularism. I want a freer and more egalitarian society. And I want to go about fixing things with as much support as possible. If you're done with liberalism because some SJW says something stupid, then the opponents of liberalism win.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 04, 2017, 07:21:42 PM
It's liberal marxism/communism. Fascism is a conservative thing.
Please know what you're talking about if you're going to be all whiny about it.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/google_redefines_fascism_as_right_wing_movement.html
Quote from: Shiranu on February 05, 2017, 11:22:47 AM
Alright. We will just take environmental responsibility, an emphasis on education, working for shorter work weeks like the rest of the world, working on socialized medicine, an emphasis on fair trade policies rather than free trade, laws stopping corporate exploitation, anti-corruption laws, yada yada back since a few liberals hurt your little feelings. Those things aren't that important anyways.
All good things, but neither side of the Dark Force will get you there.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 12:01:15 PM
Jesus. You really have issues.
Go on, do tell. Given that empathy and sarcasm are hard to rend over an internet forum.
Quote from: pr126 on February 05, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/google_redefines_fascism_as_right_wing_movement.html
That was necessary to point out, because people like some here, want to define all authoritarianism as Right ... that the only Left is hard anarchist. Well that used to be called Left anarchism in my day. I guess Right anarchism is kicked out of the Big Tent ;-)) of the Occupy version of the D party. I oppose authoritarianism myself, but I ain't no anarchist, but a "pragmatic" statist. And some people are always doing the Twist to avoid being tarred by undesirable labels.
Quote from: Munch on February 05, 2017, 12:30:34 PM
Go on, do tell. Given that empathy and sarcasm are hard to rend over an internet forum.
Emoticons are you friend, and the emojies are the future of New Speak.
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
Emoticons are you friend, and the emojies are the future of New Speak.
just the mention of those makes me rage at the idea someone produced a movie about them... whyyyyyyy...
Quote from: Munch on February 05, 2017, 12:37:17 PM
just the mention of those makes me rage at the idea someone produced a movie about them... whyyyyyyy...
Angry Birds ... the app, the game, the movie ... just for snowflakes. Too bad we raised the current youth on Care Bears and Rainbow Bright.
Its not just a fringe element on the left. This is from the womans march Jan 21. He recently did a 30 min interview on infowars.com Kevin Martin if one is inclined to check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmRCs60otNc
I've personally never understood the Liberals jerking off to islam. It doesn't make sense to me.
Why would Liberals, a group of people that are for equal rights, so supportive of a belief set that teaches women to cover their bodies? It's not a normal belief. It's not a healthy belief. This is not just in the middle east that women are wearing full burkas. I've seen women, groups of women at a time, in full burkas. If you are going to try and tell me that I'm an asshole for saying that is an unhealty belief, that these women are brainwashed to thinking that they *need* to wear something that covers them because of their religion, you're backwards. I don't understand how feminists seem to support Islam either, for the same reason. The hijab and burka are worn to cover up and reduce sexual urges in the men, because if they aren't covered, in regards to *their religion* it's the woman's fault for the man's hornyness and also the woman's fault for being raped, if it happens. Isn't that the direct opposite of what feminists (and anyone else that is semi-logical) would say is a good thing? Pinning rape and the men's sexual desires on the women? It's retarded.
There are some other issues I have with islam and why it doesn't make sense as a culture/belief/etc, but this one takes the cake. It's the reason that not only directly conflicts my values and SJW/Feminists Values, but SJWs and Feminists don't seem to catch on to it.
I've in the past few months had a change of heart towards feminists as a whole, talking to a friend of mine that is feminist, but also an mra. Probably one of the most reasonable people I know of. I disagree on a few points, but the main thing is the thing I already knew, but forgot about. Feminists get a bad rap from the same usual reason any other group gets a bad rap. The people that are visible are always the most toxic. Sometimes that changes the face of a movement. My friend's feminism is not the same brand of feminism that I hate. It's completely different than the toxic sludge that we normally see. Shit that a ton of people have drank the kool-aide from. Sorry Shir, but you're one of those people that drank the toxic feminist/sjw kool-aide. You have a lot of great points, but they get watered down by shitty, unrealistic and demonizing rhetoric. I appreciate the good points you do bring up though.
Another thing to point out is that the saying "Islam is to isis as Chrisitanity is to the KKK" is only partly true. It is true that only a small amount of the people that believe this religion actually are going around blowing shit up/being terrorists/beheading people. But the KKK is not seeking out nuclear warheads. Isis is more akin to our military, which is another conversation all together. ISIS also has more power than the KKK. They didn't start calling it the Islamic *State* of Israel for no reason at all, after all. Over here, if you hear "KKK", the most that you're going to think is "the KKK are retarded racists" They're mostly laughed off. If you'r darker skinned though, not even necessarily black, it's a little more frightening, but not nearly as frightening as it is over in the middle east with ISIS towards their own people. ISIS aren't targeting light skinned people only. They are targeting muslims too. Muslims are afraid of ISIS. For that reason and many others, it's important to recognize ISIS as a small(er) part of islam and not islam as a whole.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 05, 2017, 12:56:03 PM
I've personally never understood the Liberals jerking off to islam. It doesn't make sense to me.
At the crux is free choice. If that is what you want to practice, that's your choice. People should not attempt to control the lives of other people. This is a basic liberal tenet.
Quote from: pr126 on February 05, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/google_redefines_fascism_as_right_wing_movement.html
That site looks like a some kid's middle school project. You expect me to take it seriously?
Also with articles like "Anti-Trumpistas need two aspirins and a glass of water" It's pretty clear that it's far right in it's bias and isn't good at filtering out bullshit.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 12:59:23 PM
At the crux is free choice. If that is what you want to practice, that's your choice. This is a basic liberal tenet.
In no way am I arguing that they should not have the choice. I understand that, but the belief directly conflicts with their morals. Do you deny that?
I am talking about criticizing their belief. This somehow makes anyone that does, the bad guy. They insist that you turn a blind eye to their actions. Remember Charlie Hedbo? Liberals were coming out of the cracks in the walls to say things like "well don't criticism islam. They asked to be shot up". Are you kidding me?? This is like saying "well don't make fun of neo-nazis and they won't put you in a gas chamber" I call bullshit.
The belief teaches women to make them think they need to cover up because they are to blame for men raping them if they aren't and the men get sexual desire. Doesn't that directly conflict with feminism/basic justice? If a man rapes, it's the man's fault. Not "what was she wearing". Come on, mermaid....
Now, I'm not in any way saying it would be a good thing to ban burkas or hijabs, but it's important to talk about these things and criticize them. Muslims have the right to wear them or not wear them, if they choose. This is good. BUT the fact that they feel compelled to wear them because it's "their fault if they get raped; not the man's" is a belief that directly contradicts what feminists argue that it's not the woman's fault. I agree with feminists/sjws on that. That it's not "what was she wearing". But at the same time, feminists and sjws have some sort of hard-on for this extremely backwards belief.
"Most" (there were a few that wore it for cultural reasons) of the women I have talked to who wear the hijab wear it because they feel it makes men look at them more as people than just for their looks, and they enjoy that added level of professionalism. It's not because they are afraid of being raped or whatever, it's just nice to be taken seriously at work and in public.
Of course, then men just see them for the scarf and not them... so I don't know how solid of argument that really is, but that is the reason they use and I think that perfectly melds with feminism. And I would say of the Muslims I know from work and school, maybe 10% wear any type of head covering... the rest dress in tight-ish jeans, t-shirts and button ups that show off their curves and act like any other girl. Obviously not all Muslims in the United States are like that... but like any immigrant population they are becoming more and more "Americanized" with each generation.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 05, 2017, 01:17:38 PM
"Most" (there were a few that wore it for cultural reasons) of the women I have talked to who wear the hijab wear it because they feel it makes men look at them more as people than just for their looks, and they enjoy that added level of professionalism. It's not because they are afraid of being raped or whatever, it's just nice to be taken seriously at work and in public
Pretty certain in the west that doesn't fly, since in most jobs they expect you to show your face and not cover it up, for security, and because in the west we tend to make more of a rapport with people when you can actually see their faces. You can't seriously believe the forced, indoctrinated religious rule of making women wear that is anything otherwise in the country it came from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg3m3t87-dk
Its no wonder from a young age girls are made to think that covering up everything from the world is a 'good thing'
QuoteOf course, then men just see them for the scarf and not them... so I don't know how solid of argument that really is, but that is the reason they use and I think that perfectly melds with feminism. And I would say of the Muslims I know from work and school, maybe 10% wear any type of head covering... the rest dress in tight-ish jeans, t-shirts and button ups that show off their curves and act like any other girl. Obviously not all Muslims in the United States are like that... but like any immigrant population they are becoming more and more "Americanized" with each generation.
last I checked, seeing someone who's parading around their religious symbolism in a workplace isn't what gets them hired. Here, in the uk, its a country with a rooted christian belief, but I don't see women working in supermarkets or offices dressed as nuns or having a big silver cross hung around their neck, most places I've worked in tell you to dress professionally and not cover yourself up or in bling.
I will always argue the point across, if you want to move to another country, be prepared to adapt into it. If you bring and try to force in your cultures belief into a new country you move to, then expect it to be shot down, because if you can't adapt, keep out.
Pickelledegs wroteQuoteI've personally never understood the Liberals jerking off to islam. It doesn't make sense to me.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
If you want to destroy America and western civilisation, you need all the help you can get.
Islam is just the right ideology for the job.
Oddly enough there was a time when very few women would be seen in public without wearing either a scarf or other kind of head covering. Same with men.. Watch just about any old black and white movie from the 1920s through the 50s and even beyond and most people covered their heads.
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q490/atheola/118.jpg)
Notice very few people didn't have their heads covered..
Hell, go to a baseball game..even Trump wore his silly assed hat..
Quote from: pr126 on February 05, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/02/google_redefines_fascism_as_right_wing_movement.html
Interesting. I wonder when google decided to redefine this. Before or after the election?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Daily caller goes into more detail (speculation) than thinker:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/04/google-redefines-the-word-fascism-to-smear-conservatives-protect-liberal-rioters/
Quote from: Shiranu on February 05, 2017, 01:17:38 PM
"Most" (there were a few that wore it for cultural reasons) of the women I have talked to who wear the hijab wear it because they feel it makes men look at them more as people than just for their looks, and they enjoy that added level of professionalism. It's not because they are afraid of being raped or whatever, it's just nice to be taken seriously at work and in public.
Of course, then men just see them for the scarf and not them... so I don't know how solid of argument that really is, but that is the reason they use and I think that perfectly melds with feminism. And I would say of the Muslims I know from work and school, maybe 10% wear any type of head covering... the rest dress in tight-ish jeans, t-shirts and button ups that show off their curves and act like any other girl. Obviously not all Muslims in the United States are like that... but like any immigrant population they are becoming more and more "Americanized" with each generation.
Yes, shir. There are exceptions to every rule. The issue of Muslims wearing hijabs is no different. But the fact remains that they exist and that they are primarily worn because the islamic culture ingrains in their minds that they should for the reasons I already stated. That "Virtue makes you beautiful" music video is a pretty good Christian equivalent of faith making people think women need to be covered up because sexual desire is bad.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 05, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
In no way am I arguing that they should not have the choice. I understand that, but the belief directly conflicts with their morals. Do you deny that?
I am talking about criticizing their belief. This somehow makes anyone that does, the bad guy. They insist that you turn a blind eye to their actions. Remember Charlie Hedbo? Liberals were coming out of the cracks in the walls to say things like "well don't criticism islam. They asked to be shot up". Are you kidding me?? This is like saying "well don't make fun of neo-nazis and they won't put you in a gas chamber" I call bullshit.
The belief teaches women to make them think they need to cover up because they are to blame for men raping them if they aren't and the men get sexual desire. Doesn't that directly conflict with feminism/basic justice? If a man rapes, it's the man's fault. Not "what was she wearing". Come on, mermaid....
Now, I'm not in any way saying it would be a good thing to ban burkas or hijabs, but it's important to talk about these things and criticize them. Muslims have the right to wear them or not wear them, if they choose. This is good. BUT the fact that they feel compelled to wear them because it's "their fault if they get raped; not the man's" is a belief that directly contradicts what feminists argue that it's not the woman's fault. I agree with feminists/sjws on that. That it's not "what was she wearing". But at the same time, feminists and sjws have some sort of hard-on for this extremely backwards belief.
Nope, not denying it. But I can't tell someone else how to live their life.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 02:35:24 PM
Nope, not denying it. But I can't tell someone else how to live their life.
Ah. Ok, I thought you were in disagreement.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 05, 2017, 02:42:27 PM
Ah. Ok, I thought you were in disagreement.
I don't think that happens a lot. But is it wrong to make that statement? That it's a left wing value to stay out of everyone's business, and for everyone to stay out of ours?
It's a far left value to demonize someone for simply criticizing a mindset or belief, more specifically and more frequently when it's Islam. I mentioned Charlie Hedbo a post or so back...
Liberals hated that Charlie Hedbo even put a picture of Muhammad on their cover, something that Islam does not allow. Like I said, they were saying things such as "well you provoked it by putting the picture of Muhammad. Don't do that and you won't get bombed / shot up" that's fucking ridiculous.
How are we supposed to progress as a culture if we have the far right and the far left restricting us from even talking about this stuff. The far left with Islam and "everyone is special, don't citizens themâ,,¢" and "don't say these words, they are offensive â,,¢" and the far right with their own brand of the same thing with different topics.
Sent from your mom.
Again, I'm in no way saying Muslims or anyone can't believe what they believe, or wear what they want to wear, but it's important to also allow criticism of these things. Especially when the criticism is realistic. Like how the belief oppresses women and somehow makes them think they can shoot up a French Publisher's headquarters. But since I brought up Charlie Hedbo and feel like it's a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. It seems now that the far left feel that Muslims are justified that they can shoot up the magazine hq because they made fun of Islam and Muhammad.
Yeah. The publishers totally had it coming to them. They deserved to be murdered by butthurt muslims. *sarcasm*
You can't seriously say that this is acceptable behavior
I guess the distinction is the word "Far". I think it's a mistake to pin the actions of every individual in the press on one wing or the other.
I support Muslims in the same way I support Christians or practitioners of any other religion, I would object to ANY discrimination based on religion. It is wrong and Un-American. Muslims seem to be the hot topic of the day, so people are vocal about it. Criticism is one thing, but outright discrimination is what is happening today. I think Christians are moronic, but I don't want them banned from traveling, blacklisted, or prevented from wearing crosses in public.
What you practice is your business. Don't make me spend my tax dollars on your religion, and don't enact laws that uphold your particular brand of religious scripture, either though.
Quote...but I don't see women working in supermarkets or offices dressed as nuns...
Probably because most women aren't sisters. Same reason you don't see most men wearing cassocks or shaving the centre of their head.
Quote... or having a big silver cross hung around their neck...
Just because that's how your culture is doesn't mean it's so in the rest of the West. Thinking about my coworkers, I can name 4 off the top of my head that wear cross necklaces showing, and pretty much any store you go into you will see the same.
Quote... most places I've worked in tell you to dress professionally and not cover yourself up or in bling.
Do you feel the same way about Sikh men covering their hair at work? There is literally no difference between a woman wearing a hijab (except covering her neck as well) and a Sikh man wearing his dastar to take focus off of his hair and make all men look more equal and uniform because it's expected of him due to his religion and his culture.
QuoteI will always argue the point across, if you want to move to another country, be prepared to adapt into it.
Maybe it's just an American thing, but fuck that. What made and makes our country great is how many cultures coexist here and who, more or less, maintain more of their own culture than assimilating to the dominant culture.
QuoteIf you bring and try to force in your cultures belief into a new country you move to, then expect it to be shot down, because if you can't adapt, keep out.
So wearing what clothing you want is, "forcing your culture belief" on the new country... even though it's a personal choice that you are asking for the right for you to do... with nothing about forcing the "natives" to do as well.
I'm sorry, but again... fuck that. That is, bluntly, stupid af.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 03:37:00 PM
I guess the distinction is the word "Far". I think it's a mistake to pin the actions of every individual in the press on one wing or the other.
I support Muslims in the same way I support Christians or practitioners of any other religion, I would object to ANY discrimination based on religion. It is wrong and Un-American. Muslims seem to be the hot topic of the day, so people are vocal about it. Criticism is one thing, but outright discrimination is what is happening today. I think Christians are moronic, but I don't want them banned from traveling, blacklisted, or prevented from wearing crosses in public.
What you practice is your business. Don't make me spend my tax dollars on your religion, and don't enact laws that uphold your particular brand of religious scripture, either though.
Allow me to make a correction: I think Christianity is moronic, not Christians. I know a lot of Christians that I really respect.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 04:02:41 PM
Allow me to make a correction: I think Christianity is moronic, not Christians. I know a lot of Christians that I really respect.
I knew what you meant. No worries.
I feel the same way. And feel the same way towards muslims/islam, jews judaism.
Anything can go too far. But basic things like providing good education, feeding children, and keeping the environment working haven't gone far enough. Climate change is allowing insects to attack trees formerly beyond their reach, we are depleting our ocean fish supplies, and pretty soon my daily supply of hummingbird tongues will be threatened! I'll have to eat CHICKEN!
Right wingers would NEVER employ agent provocateurs to stir up shit the same way they have done for years.
It's not difficult in the least to pay "thugs" to come in and start violence and claim to be part of the protests..but just keep on believing it's the non-violent protesters deciding suddenly to become violent for no other reason than to discredit themselves.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 15, 2017, 03:41:46 AM
Right wingers would NEVER employ agent provocateurs to stir up shit the same way they have done for years.
It's not difficult in the least to pay "thugs" to come in and start violence and claim to be part of the protests..but just keep on believing it's the non-violent protesters deciding suddenly to become violent for no other reason than to discredit themselves.
The Left does this too. Pot calling kettle black.
Trump's Cabinet is filled with people dedicated to destroying the agencies they are selected to lead, his supporters want to destroy government, and his supportors don't realize yet that his policies will harm them.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 17, 2017, 01:44:42 AM
Trump's Cabinet is filled with people dedicated to destroying the agencies they are selected to lead, his supporters want to destroy government, and his supportors don't realize yet that his policies will harm them.
Typical voters?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 17, 2017, 06:10:55 AM
That is your stated view.
Voters vs candidates ... laugh or cry, your choice. I don't support democracy ... since Ancient Athens. This is Sparta!
Quote from: Baruch on February 17, 2017, 01:13:48 PM
Voters vs candidates ... laugh or cry, your choice. I don't support democracy ... since Ancient Athens. This is Sparta!
If you want the US to be "Sparta", I am very sad for you. It was a cruel place dedicated to warfare. Children were subjected to withheld love, taught to endure daily restrictions. That is no way for children to be raised.
"Holding your shield or carried on it" is no way to live.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2017, 02:14:09 AM
If you want the US to be "Sparta", I am very sad for you. It was a cruel place dedicated to warfare. Children were subjected to withheld love, taught to endure daily restrictions. That is no way for children to be raised.
"Holding your shield or carried on it" is no way to live.
Said like a true Athenian ... bet you paint beautiful pottery too ;-) Reality is cruel, you standup to it (a mammoth trying to defend itself from your hunting party, because you have family back at the cave) or you starve.
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2017, 06:53:44 AM
Said like a true Athenian ... bet you paint beautiful pottery too ;-) Reality is cruel, you standup to it (a mammoth trying to defend itself from your hunting party, because you have family back at the cave) or you starve.
Athenians did more for human civilization than the Spartans ever did.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 20, 2017, 12:04:54 AM
Athenians did more for human civilization than the Spartans ever did.
Then go back in time, enjoy the gay sex (in either town).
Quote from: Baruch on February 20, 2017, 07:27:20 AM
Then go back in time, enjoy the gay sex (in either town).
(http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/300+gay+men+from+greece+meet+the+spartans+_caccbfeff39c3b830605d597c19ef494.jpg)
Yes, at least Spartans were Real Men (tm). Athenians were all bottoms (no prejudice intended for men who prefer that). Spartans say ... Athenian men make good wives ;-)
Quote from: pr126 on February 02, 2017, 10:15:24 AM
Berkley university students are intolerant to ideas that doesn't agree with them.
Is that where you want to be, America?
So much hate, and none of it directed where it belongs. You are a parody of the hard right. Do keep it up, I pass your posts along.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 20, 2017, 11:31:54 PM
So much hate, and none of it directed where it belongs. You are a parody of the hard right. Do keep it up, I pass your posts along.
OK, please pass this one on as well. Let everyone know. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3NDeyR_1-U
Quote from: pr126 on February 03, 2017, 12:04:02 AM
"Women don't work as hard."
How many women are holding jobs like miners, sewage workers, trash collectors, road builders, steel industry, in effect something requires heavy, unsafe labor?
How about time off for looking after a new born? Men and women are biologically different.
If women paid less, then why would employers not choose women only for their labor force?
Well, that is what illegal immigrants are for.
As for Harry Potter and rape culture, yes it is made up. It is fantasy.
If you want to see real rape culture, come to Western Europe. Here it is real.
Just Google. You can't miss it.
And how many men are stuck raising children all by themselves? Just come to the US to find out!
By the by, the garbage at my home is, in fact, picked up by a woman. Another woman drives the #817 bus through town. I've also seen women on construction crews on the various road works projects going on throughout Monmouth County. At least in the US, women are slowly making their way into the dirtier, heavier jobs. I know a woman who drives a tractor-trailer cross country. The majority of people working in meat-packing plants are now women. And women have worked in factories since the late 19th Century, often under horrendous conditions. Ever hear of the Triangle Shirt-Collar Factory Fire? Many women perished in that fire because they were locked in the building and could not escape the flames. Around the World, women work in sweatshops for scant wages, so don't tell me that women don't work as hard as men - that's just bullshit!
If men took care of their women properly, fewer would be distracted from raising children. Not that all women need to do that. The goal of putting all women into the sweat shop ... was designed to destroy the families of blue collar workers. Professional white collar worker families, not so much, but we had our own consumer stresses. No matter how much income you have, there is always more shopping.
Quote from: pr126 on February 21, 2017, 02:00:55 AM
OK, please pass this one on as well. Let everyone know. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
Can add this one too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkFQohIKNI
Quote from: pr126 on February 21, 2017, 02:00:55 AM
OK, please pass this one on as well. Let everyone know. Thanks in advance for your efforts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3NDeyR_1-U
Yeah, prize stupid is always a treat. Thanks.
Why? Feminists get discounted gas/petrol at the Saudi owned gas/petrol station?
Quote from: Baruch on February 21, 2017, 06:55:43 AM
If men took care of their women properly, fewer would be distracted from raising children. Not that all women need to do that. The goal of putting all women into the sweat shop ... was designed to destroy the families of blue collar workers. Professional white collar worker families, not so much, but we had our own consumer stresses. No matter how much income you have, there is always more shopping.
what is this fuckery?
Quote from: Mermaid on February 21, 2017, 07:02:08 PM
what is this fuckery?
Why are so many women, man haters? (rhetorical question). Yes, you gals all go be Amazons.
> that face when Milo just resigned from Brietbart because of video and former interviews were exposed where he quite energetically defended pedophila and child molestation.
Feelsgoodman.jpeg. let the internet troll and sicko go back into the obscurity he belongs in.
Edit - oh, and the people screaming the loudest for him to be fired? Right wingers.
Damn you, tolerant right!
oh well, he was as bad as the people he spoke out against, so could only have gone this way.
Still, he's clearly fucked in the head and needs to seek some professional help, not make public talks or release books.
Guess the right will have to look elsewhere to someone to counter the regressive left other then the bottom of a chum barrel.
Sky News (http://news.sky.com/story/first-ever-modest-fashion-show-suitable-for-muslims-held-in-london-10773485)
QuoteEvent organiser Romanna Bint-Abubaker, founder of modest fashion website Haute Elan, told Sky News: "The fastest growing global consumer is at the moment the Muslim market.
"One in three people - by 2030 - will be a Muslim in the world - that's a huge population."
(http://gatesofvienna.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bracken-fashion.jpg)
Unfortunately, for most women over 25, they should cover their face. Not that I care at my age.
Quote from: marom1963 on February 21, 2017, 03:29:22 AM
And how many men are stuck raising children all by themselves? Just come to the US to find out!
By the by, the garbage at my home is, in fact, picked up by a woman. Another woman drives the #817 bus through town. I've also seen women on construction crews on the various road works projects going on throughout Monmouth County. At least in the US, women are slowly making their way into the dirtier, heavier jobs. I know a woman who drives a tractor-trailer cross country. The majority of people working in meat-packing plants are now women. And women have worked in factories since the late 19th Century, often under horrendous conditions. Ever hear of the Triangle Shirt-Collar Factory Fire? Many women perished in that fire because they were locked in the building and could not escape the flames. Around the World, women work in sweatshops for scant wages, so don't tell me that women don't work as hard as men - that's just bullshit!
I'm not sure who is crazier. You or the previous poster...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 23, 2017, 07:40:41 AM
I'm not sure who is crazier. You or the previous poster...
Right ... the women are a minority ;-) And powerless ;-)) Have you ever been married? Ever had a mother? And you have triggered me, I will have to watch out for maron1963 ... the Spice Must Flow. There is only one Quizach Shaderach!
Quote from: Baruch on February 23, 2017, 12:39:35 PM
Right ... the women are a minority ;-) And powerless ;-)) Have you ever been married? Ever had a mother? And you have triggered me, I will have to watch out for maron1963 ... the Spice Must Flow. There is only one Quizach Shaderach!
The difference is that the Spice is fiction and the "Quizach Shaderach" is a eugenist fantasy. And did you read the series to the end to see how horrible the results were?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 04:59:32 AM
The difference is that the Spice is fiction and the "Quizach Shaderach" is a eugenist fantasy. And did you read the series to the end to see how horrible the results were?
Yes, even 10,000 years from now humans have learn't nothing from history. Spice is oil. Fremen are Arabs. Quizzical Shaderach is the usual desert Messiah ... Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2017, 09:00:09 AM
Yes, even 10,000 years from now humans have learn't nothing from history. Spice is oil. Fremen are Arabs. Quizzical Shaderach is the usual desert Messiah ... Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.
Yeah, to be honest, that pretty much turned me off of the books. The fremen fanaticism was a lot better on paper than in reality.
And it's not "Quizzical Shaderach". ;)
Indeed, the book Dune has a lot of reference to the Arab words, culture.
There is a glossary at the end of the book explaining Arabic terms.
Even the word jihad is in the book.
Emperor Saddam? Paul becomes Muad'dib (Muhammad?)
The desert of Arrakis is Iraq.
If I remember Frank Herbert spent some time in Iraq.
Quote from: pr126 on February 26, 2017, 11:26:51 AM
Indeed, the book Dune has a lot of reference to the Arab words, culture.
There is a glossary at the end of the book explaining Arabic terms.
Even the word jihad is in the book.
Emperor Saddam? Paul becomes Muad'dib (Muhammad?)
The desert of Arrakis is Iraq.
If I remember Frank Herbert spent some time in Iraq.
The books had real villains that almost everyone would agree about. That's why the books were popular. The society they are modeled on has less certain and even imaginary villains.
“MORE AND MORE, IT SEEMS TO ME, MODERN INDIVIDUALISM ASSUMES THE FORM OF A DESPERATE DENIAL OF THE FACT THAT, THROUGH MIMETIC DESIRE, EACH OF US SEEKS TO IMPOSE HIS WILL UPON HIS FELLOW MAN, WHOM HE DESPISES....EVERYWHERE AND ALWAYS, WHEN HUMAN BEINGS EITHER CANNOT OR DARE NOT TAKE THEIR ANGER OUT ON THE THING THAT HAS CAUSED IT, THEY UNCONSCIOUSLY SEARCH FOR SUBSTITUTES, AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEY FIND THEM.†RENÉ GIRARD, THE ONE BY WHOM SCANDAL COMES
An interesting quote. We are all Hitlers. There is a whole in each human soul, but not in the shape of G-d, but in the shape of a guy who looks like, but isn't Charlie Chaplain.
VP candidate's youngest son arrested for rioting ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/08/sen-tim-kaines-son-among-several-arrested-after-protesters-disrupt-trump-rally-in-minnesota/?utm_term=.f8eb7ce5a540
Good for him, it seems the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Kane seems like a really great guy, not even comparable to the bigotry of our new VP. Was really looking forward to a Spanish speaker at the (almost) top, even if he wasn't a Latino. Instead we got a homophobic theocrat. Yay.
I hope I still live here to vote for our first Latino and Asian candidates, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Quote from: Baruch on March 08, 2017, 12:43:40 PM
VP candidate's youngest son arrested for rioting ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/03/08/sen-tim-kaines-son-among-several-arrested-after-protesters-disrupt-trump-rally-in-minnesota/?utm_term=.f8eb7ce5a540
Suspicion =/= charged =/= convicted.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 08, 2017, 01:56:52 PMI hope I still live here to vote for our first Latino and Asian candidates, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Me, too. Though I hope to live in a society where we vote for candidates that have good policies and whether or not they're ethnic minorities isn't particularly relevant.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 08, 2017, 05:02:01 PM
Suspicion =/= charged =/= convicted.
According to Jesus, we are all innocent, if we will just pull his finger ;-))
Quote from: Shiranu on March 08, 2017, 01:56:52 PM
Good for him, it seems the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Kane seems like a really great guy, not even comparable to the bigotry of our new VP. Was really looking forward to a Spanish speaker at the (almost) top, even if he wasn't a Latino. Instead we got a homophobic theocrat. Yay.
I hope I still live here to vote for our first Latino and Asian candidates, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
Guantanamo for all the Democrats ... good riddance ;-) After all, torture is bipartisan approved.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 08, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
Me, too. Though I hope to live in a society where we vote for candidates that have good policies and whether or not they're ethnic minorities isn't particularly relevant.
Why not both?
I want a Latino/a president because I want someone who looks like me to make it to the top. Same for asian Americans, because they're heavily underrepresented in our society.
It's the same thing as liking an actor because he is Irish or a basketball player because he came from China, a musician coming out of Compton or Corpus Christi... It's not a deal maker or breaker, because if they are shit then no one cares about them. But if they are good, it's just a good feeling to see someone like you making it big.
Yeah, were are all the 7 ft tall Jewish basketball stars!
Quote from: Baruch on March 08, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
Yeah, were are all the 7 ft tall Jewish basketball stars!
Omri Caspi, though not 7 foot, is an Israeli one. Landry Fields was, but couldn't keep his knee in one piece, now a youth scout for the Spurs. Amari Stoudamire is pretty devout, his mom was Jewish iirc.
Farmar was, but he sucks and seems like a douche.