https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSD99ZoBtg
Watch from about 20 minutes onward ... MI6 influencing OSS (ancestor of CIA) bullshitting and blackmailing FDR ...
Pretty much what we have seen any number of countries and agencies doing in the past year ...
Yeah, I've heard that bullshit before.
So you agree with Henry Ford (whose greatest admirer was Adolph Hitler) that History is Bunk? Britain has been interfering since 1783 ... including Cecil Rhodes and his Rhodes scholars. The biggest Manchurian candidate wasn't Obama, but Bill Clinton (who was a Rhodes scholar). We will never know about Obama, because his college transcript is still classified.
FDR was a tough case, because he both wanted to be used by Churchill, but not used by Churchill ... and what about that Zimmerman telegram .. was that a British fake too? Wouldn't be surprised if the Lusitania was sunk by a British submarine ;-)) What are they called? Perfidious Albion?
I think you ate a history book and barfed that post. (And I'm being kind with "barfed".)
Quote from: Baruch on January 21, 2017, 12:21:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjSD99ZoBtg
Watch from about 20 minutes onward ... MI6 influencing OSS (ancestor of CIA) bullshitting and blackmailing FDR ...
Pretty much what we have seen any number of countries and agencies doing in the past year ...
And are you really matriculating at the University of Youtube?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 21, 2017, 09:56:55 PM
I think you ate a history book and barfed that post. (And I'm being kind with "barfed".)
Aw ... so you have your own narrative on US history (your favorite subject, right?) ... or are you just promoting something you were told to promote ;-))
I don't have a historical agenda, because I agree with Henry Ford ... history is lots of fun ... but it is just propaganda. Even contemporary events are opaque, unless you were in the room when Obama spent two hours with newly elected Trump. As they say ... fly on the wall ... but there are no such flies. I love history too, only I seed it all as historical fiction (though more realistic than Dune or LOTR).
So you dispute the use of the term NWO? What is your theory as to why George H W Bush (of Nazi ancestry) brought that term back into use in 1991? The Bush-Wallace family combine was running a Schindler's List in E Europe just before WW II broke out.
You know what *I* would like to read? College level World History books from other countries. In American English, of course. It would be fascinating.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 05:12:11 AM
You know what *I* would like to read? College level World History books from other countries. In American English, of course. It would be fascinating.
Agreed. There are academic you-tubes from German universities on a variety of subjects. One has to get outside he American fishbowl, to get any objectivity at all.
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 06:55:47 AM
Agreed. There are academic you-tubes from German universities on a variety of subjects. One has to get outside he American fishbowl, to get any objectivity at all.
I appreciate the you-tube idea, but it isn't quite what I meant. I would really like to read the versions of World History as taught in other countries. I think there would be lot to be learned from that.
To elaborate, my family moved from Massachusetts to Virginia when I was in school, and I was struck by how differently the US Civil War was viewed in State History classes. If we can view history in such different ways among ourselves (and I learned a LOT from the experience), surely different views of World History would be more informative and productive in international relations.
Amazon then. But only school books from Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia and NZ. To them, we are still the damn Yanks.
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:01:04 PM
Amazon then. But only school books from Britain, Ireland, Canada, Australia and NZ. To them, we are still the damn Yanks.
Well, then, I'll ask the Chinese and Germans and speak slowly and loudly so they will understand!
Quote from: Baruch on January 21, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
Aw ... so you have your own narrative on US history (your favorite subject, right?) ... or are you just promoting something you were told to promote ;-))
I don't have a historical agenda, because I agree with Henry Ford ... history is lots of fun ... but it is just propaganda. Even contemporary events are opaque, unless you were in the room when Obama spent two hours with newly elected Trump. As they say ... fly on the wall ... but there are no such flies. I love history too, only I seed it all as historical fiction (though more realistic than Dune or LOTR).
So you dispute the use of the term NWO? What is your theory as to why George H W Bush (of Nazi ancestry) brought that term back into use in 1991? The Bush-Wallace family combine was running a Schindler's List in E Europe just before WW II broke out.
I think you're a fringer.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
I think you're a fringer.
Historians are concerned about narrative. That puts you in bad company. But to each their own, I see humans as demons, not angels.
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:46:59 PM
Historians are concerned about narrative. That puts you in bad company. But to each their own, I see humans as demons, not angels.
You are quite adept at using sweeping generalizations. Easier than nuanced thinking, I suppose. Bludgeon away.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 01, 2017, 06:18:19 AM
You are quite adept at using sweeping generalizations. Easier than nuanced thinking, I suppose. Bludgeon away.
History is made up of sweeping generalizations, so pot calling kettle black. If you have a nuanced view of what Churchill was doing in FDR's bathroom at Hyde Park ... share it ... but I don't see how you can justify knowing it to be so. You are like an academic, who hates all other academics. But they say philosophers are even more abusive than historians. If you are trying to protect the British reputation, say so.
You are strawmanning again. Stupid habit you have.
Straw men shouldn't go near matches - Wicked Witch of the West
Drivel should not be posted every time the impulse arises.
Quote from: Baruch on February 01, 2017, 07:09:01 AM
History is made up of sweeping generalizations, so pot calling kettle black. If you have a nuanced view of what Churchill was doing in FDR's bathroom at Hyde Park ... share it ... but I don't see how you can justify knowing it to be so. You are like an academic, who hates all other academics. But they say philosophers are even more abusive than historians. If you are trying to protect the British reputation, say so.
This statement seems equally unsupported by fact. Just saying...
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 05:26:19 AM
This statement seems equally unsupported by fact. Just saying...
The only fact is ... you just posted that. What it means, is arguable, not factual. Even what you think your post means, because you could be delusional. You might think you are a bear, instead of a 17th century philosopher.
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 09:20:04 AM
The only fact is ... you just posted that. What it means, is arguable, not factual. Even what you think your post means, because you could be delusional. You might think you are a bear, instead of a 17th century philosopher.
You got me cold on this. I am a 17th century ursus spelaeus. Can't speak, can't think, dumb right out of hibernation. I'm a dream of a thought of a dream. I don't really exist.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 01:45:29 PM
You got me cold on this. I am a 17th century ursus spelaeus. Can't speak, can't think, dumb right out of hibernation. I'm a dream of a thought of a dream. I don't really exist.
Great ... if you are in a dream, and you are Brahman ... then don't wake up ... it ends the universe! At least you aren't delusional breakfast cereal (Lucky Charms) .... then you are dumb right out of the box ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 04:07:45 PM
Great ... if you are in a dream, and you are Brahman ... then don't wake up ... it ends the universe! At least you aren't delusional breakfast cereal (Lucky Charms) .... then you are dumb right out of the box ;-))
For the sake of you all, I will try to stay asleep...