It seems we cannot learn from history...are we doomed as a species, because of our tribal instincts?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/camillo-zacchia-phd/identity-politics_b_13744352.html
On a long enough timeline, we're all doomed.
Quote from: Jason78 on December 23, 2016, 09:28:01 AM
On a long enough timeline, we're all doomed.
That's why I converted to kaiju.
Quote from: reasonist on December 23, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
It seems we cannot learn from history...are we doomed as a species, because of our tribal instincts?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/camillo-zacchia-phd/identity-politics_b_13744352.html
Says George Soros. We can have multiple tribes, we just need to not kill each other over it. But not of the same tribe per Caligula, who wanted all humanity to share one neck, so he could slash it's throat. George Soros has a history as a throat slasher.
Doomed = the socialist panacea de sure will not bring on utopia? Doomed for sure.
Doomed = humanity is simply too stupid and too violent? Not doomed ... life will be harder for the new generation, but every day I work with members of the new generation, I still have hope, even if I don't see change.
"de sure"?
Certain subsects of society would certainly want you to believe so. I don't particularly buy it.
Not doomed, just an especially unstable beta version.
Unstable for sure. I could never understand that 'us vs. them' mentality. The East vs. West, White vs. Black, Muslims vs. Christians a.s.o. We will be extinct like 99% of all species before us, but will it be of our own making? Because of stupid labeling and focusing what separates us instead what unites us, we are in real danger of ending our existence way before nature would end it anyway. The ignorance about Global warming within the new administration and the renewed arms race won't improve our odds either. It's like a slow motion auto destruct movie right in front of our eyes.
I am not a doomsday sayer but reading and watching the news makes me feel very uneasy about our future.
Every day you don't die ... is a miracle. Get used to that.
The Obama 2016 budget has the increase for nuclear deterrence overhaul ... Trump is just agreeing with it. Obama is no pacifist.
We do have things in common, but consistency isn't it. We have inconsistency in common, within and between each other.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 23, 2016, 04:13:50 PM
Not doomed, just an especially unstable beta version.
So Microsoft was in charge of G-d's creative work? Perpetual beta ... that explains a lot. Too bad at some point, a giant "error 404" will shoot across the sky, and we will all disappear.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 23, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
"de sure"?
Latin "more definite tense" that de jure ;-) As in soup, not as in law.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 04:04:35 PM
Certain subsects of society would certainly want you to believe so. I don't particularly buy it.
Capitalist survivalists selling tin foil hats ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2016, 07:15:59 PM
Latin "more definite tense" that de jure ;-) As in soup, not as in law.
And people wonder if the aliens are here yet.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 24, 2016, 06:38:32 AM
And people wonder if the aliens are here yet.
We Greco-Romans don't call people aliens, we call them barbarians ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 08:48:48 AM
We Greco-Romans don't call people aliens, we call the barbarians ;-)
"Ba-ba-ba-ba...."
Quote from: reasonist on December 23, 2016, 07:02:06 PM
Unstable for sure. I could never understand that 'us vs. them' mentality. The East vs. West, White vs. Black, Muslims vs. Christians a.s.o. We will be extinct like 99% of all species before us, but will it be of our own making? Because of stupid labeling and focusing what separates us instead what unites us, we are in real danger of ending our existence way before nature would end it anyway. The ignorance about Global warming within the new administration and the renewed arms race won't improve our odds either. It's like a slow motion auto destruct movie right in front of our eyes.
I am not a doomsday sayer but reading and watching the news makes me feel very uneasy about our future.
This--I am not a doomsday sayer but reading and watching the news makes me feel very uneasy about our future.
I have stopped watching the news, except for sports. The daily news is such a downer that I simply prefer to go ostrich right now.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 24, 2016, 10:22:10 AM
This--I am not a doomsday sayer but reading and watching the news makes me feel very uneasy about our future.
I have stopped watching the news, except for sports. The daily news is such a downer that I simply prefer to go ostrich right now.
I stopped watching the new when we invaded Iraq. The world spins on.
Every man, woman and child on the face of the earth IS GOING TO DIE along with every other living thing. If that doesn't spell doom nothing does. Now, we're not all going to die at the same time thank goodness for that, but considering that your time is almost up anyway, at least on a geological scale yes, we're fucking doomed AND WE'RE GETTING STUPIDER. Hard right wing governments are essentially taking over the planet so please don't start with the bullshit about us getting smarter.
For fuck sake, Sunday football and Kim Kardasion's fat ass is more important than who is about to take over the white house
The highest average IQ is among New Guinea people, who live a fairly primitive life. The more civilized you are, the more people who would have not survived, manage to survive and reproduce.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 24, 2016, 10:23:30 AM
I stopped watching the new when we invaded Iraq. The world spins on.
That's what I should have done.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 24, 2016, 03:19:57 PM
That's what I should have done.
Everything has turned rhetorical, like the bloody glove, in the trail of OJ ;-( What is the evidence? Has the evidence been tampered with? Is the real to be found in the Law Court, or in the Court of Public Opinion?
The Internet Lynch Mob is in full bay.
(http://rationalia.com/forum/images/smilies/angrymob2.gif)
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 05:23:47 PM
Everything has turned rhetorical, like the bloody glove, in the trail of OJ ;-( What is the evidence? Has the evidence been tampered with? Is the real to be found in the Law Court, or in the Court of Public Opinion?
What are you talking about????
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 24, 2016, 05:35:59 PM
What are you talking about????
I was commenting on your need to abandon MSM already. Cable TV in particular. The Alt-Media is a big tent, kind of like what the Democrats were, before the Clintonistas infected it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 24, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
Okay
You brought me here in the first place, Agent 13 ;-) You know the Cone Of Silence never works :-p
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
You brought me here in the first place, Agent 13 ;-) You know the Cone Of Silence never works :-p
It does when I use it one me.
QuoteAre we doomed?
No, we are not. The form of thinking by itself is religious. It doesn't exist. Doomsday, Apocalypse...The End Times...etc. It doesn't mean anything. Humans have been thinking and talking about it since they are able to perform those acts. They kinda love to fantasise on their own death.
World orders get set and then they collapse and gets set again and again. Human civilisation is so new and tiny, we don't have the proper espression to describe it. So it will always be very new. It can perish because of itself or some other catastrophie or go on in very different ways. Our whole existence is barely momentary in our made up time scale.
In any way, considering the scale of nature; the universe keeps creating-recreating itself consantly in a scale our minds can't even remotely -remotely, remotely...- grasp, we are so indescribably insignificant as an event, it is just mindbreakingly boring to speculate on how it is gonna end or if it is gonna learn.
Then the question should be: is it going to be our own doing? As Mammalians we are no exception to the rule of temporary existence, but are we bringing on our own demise?
Hawkins gives Earth less than a thousand years. That's a flicker in geological terms. If we don't nuke ourselves to extinction, we will run out of finite resources. Not to mention natural disasters like a meteorite, volcanoes or earthquakes. Can we evolve in time to forego superstition, greed and tribal sentiments? In time to plunder other planets and maybe even relocate? Maybe instead of spending trillions to 'defend' ourselves from our own species, we should invest heavily in technology that allows us to continue our existence in case of a catastrophe. (The universe doesn't care one way or another and would be better off without us anyway.) But I am continuously surprised by the apathy displayed when it comes to preparation for events outside our control, like natural disasters. Our survival instinct is misdirected by concentrating on humans for the source of destruction.
I like to wish all fellow posters a happy Festivus and belated solstice! Health and happiness always!
"In the long run, we are all dead" is a truism that tends to prevent action. "In the short run, I still have to hunt mammoth" is much more motivational.
People who live in the future, or the past, aren't alive today. Be alive today.
Big issue thinking, only works if you are a world leader, and have totalitarian powers. People idly waste their time, imagining what it would be like, how much better it would be, if they were a world leader.
We are not doomed. Unless Trump starts WWIII. Then we are. He could. Or couldn't. Depends on his tweets. And Putin. Or N Korea. Or Pence. Who knows. Anyway, I'm not building bomb shelter. Who wants to live after WWIII?
Of course we're on the eve of destruction, we have been since I was fourteen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9gHuAwxwAs
Yeah ... biology isn't too important, compared to political/economics ;-( I remember the first Earth Day ... and we don't even celebrate it any more. The D-party could have gone Left with McGovern, but instead triangulated into a R-me-too party under the Clintons.
I've said it a hundred times. We're fucked. Why? Because we're people and we fuck shit up, its what we do.
Quote from: Johan on December 27, 2016, 06:29:03 AM
I've said it a hundred times. We're fucked. Why? Because we're people and we fuck shit up, its what we do.
And yet we've soldiered on for hundreds of thousands of years. The current flail is just a ripple on that pond.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 27, 2016, 07:10:55 AM
And yet we've soldiered on for hundreds of thousands of years. The current flail is just a ripple on that pond.
Since life and death have no meaning ... does that give you confidence? Life has soldiered on ... species don't.
Quote from: Baruch on December 27, 2016, 08:16:34 AM
Since life and death have no meaning ... does that give you confidence? Life has soldiered on ... species don't.
♫ Oh, ah, ting, tang, walla-walla bing bang. ♫
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 27, 2016, 08:23:38 AM
♫ Oh, ah, ting, tang, walla-walla bing bang. ♫
Chanted like a true witchdoctor.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 27, 2016, 09:07:34 AM
Chanted like a true witchdoctor.
Heard that first time around on the radio.
For some reason I have that song and the Purple People Eaters connected. If I think of one, I automatically think of the other. One of life's mysteries.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 27, 2016, 09:14:47 AM
For some reason I have that song and the Purple People Eaters connected. If I think of one, I automatically think of the other. One of life's mysteries.
Nope, they were contemporaries on the radio back in the day. Easy association to make.
"Running Bear" and "Sink the Bismark", same-same.
Now we know why humanity became extinct ... spent too much time posting meaningless comments on the Internet ;-)
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 27, 2016, 09:30:53 AM
Nope, they were contemporaries on the radio back in the day. Easy association to make.
"Running Bear" and "Sink the Bismark", same-same.
I hadn't thought of those two in quite some time. It is interesting how we attach certain memories to certain songs. Born to be Wild--and the Army. Boy, what a weird connection, eh?
Quote from: Baruch on December 26, 2016, 09:43:10 PM
Yeah ... biology isn't too important, compared to political/economics ;-( I remember the first Earth Day ... and we don't even celebrate it any more. The D-party could have gone Left with McGovern, but instead triangulated into a R-me-too party under the Clintons.
We are biology. We depend on it, not the other way around. Hopefully we realize that before it is too late.
The N Pole is 50 degrees F hotter than normal ... if it is that way this Summer, there won't be any land life above ground left alive. Pretty much peak human over the cliff ;-(
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2016/1221/North-Pole-expected-to-reach-50-degrees-warmer-than-normal
Well, apparently on Friday, November 13, 2026, the world's population growth will become infinite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_von_Foerster#Doomsday_equation), so we'll certainly be doomed by then.
Also, of course, there's a doomsday argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument) that may be of interest to those of you who haven't seen it before.
Calculating Doomsday â€" An interesting but ultimately meaningless probability game (https://ktwop.com/2013/03/21/calculating-doomsday-an-interesting-but-ultimately-meaningless-probability-game/)
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 27, 2016, 12:18:33 PM
I hadn't thought of those two in quite some time. It is interesting how we attach certain memories to certain songs. Born to be Wild--and the Army. Boy, what a weird connection, eh?
Age of Aquarius and the Navy, quite logically.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 27, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Age of Aquarius and the Navy, quite logically.
Age of Aquarius and strippers. That's logical, too..............I guess.
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/satireknight/images/5/53/Motiv_-_the_logic_burns.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141105215307)
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 27, 2016, 06:28:24 PM
Age of Aquarius and strippers. That's logical, too..............I guess.
Redundant, I already said "Navy", so strippers are automatic in the package.
Another nail in the coffin or reason for hope?
I watched this for 5 minutes and got horrified:
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
Quote from: reasonist on December 28, 2016, 09:52:11 PM
Another nail in the coffin or reason for hope?
I watched this for 5 minutes and got horrified:
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
A new fool is born every minute ... so that means an always increasing supply of marks for the elite grifters. But then there is periodic culling of the herd ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2016, 10:25:46 PM
A new fool is born every minute ... so that means an always increasing supply of marks for the elite grifters. But then there is periodic culling of the herd ;-(
Looks like 'self culling'...
why are we degenerating so fast????
http://metrocosm.com/map-world-obesity/
Quote from: reasonist on January 05, 2017, 09:53:30 AM
Looks like 'self culling'...
why are we degenerating so fast????
http://metrocosm.com/map-world-obesity/
Human social evolution has proceeded much faster than biological evolution. We are outstripping our biology ... and we won't be moving to brains in a jar to escape that limitation, any time soon. Modern society is bad for you ... Stone Age San people (while they still hunted for a living) are superior to modern people.
Quote from: Baruch on January 05, 2017, 12:42:18 PM
Human social evolution has proceeded much faster than biological evolution. We are outstripping our biology ... and we won't be moving to brains in a jar to escape that limitation, any time soon. Modern society is bad for you ... Stone Age San people (while they still hunted for a living) are superior to modern people.
So there is no way to avoid disaster, since we can't turn back the time clock? If we continue at this rate, this species is on it's way out sooner than we think? How can we turn this tide?
Somehow I think that we have a self destruct gene, either through violence or through degeneration. Other than big brother controlling individual calorie intake and regulating birth rates, we have no other options? To watch this all rather helpless is frustrating because it seems that politicians don't care about future generations, just the next election. As individuals we have a responsibility to care and act but our power is pretty much limited to elections. And the last one showed that many of us just don't give a damn about the world we leave for our children.
I really fail to see what difference it makes if the world and all aboard it are doomed to annihilation. Would someone like to enlighten me as to why I should care?
I refuse to fall into despair just because the world and the universe don't meet up to my (or your) desires.
MY desires? Really? How silly of me that I care in which world my children and grandchildren grow up!
Well, maybe I'd feel similarly if I had any children or grand-children, but I don't. So what's my stake in the future of the world? Am I being totally selfish by not feeling an obligation to care?
That doesn't mean that I don't care, I just don't see any good reason to have to care. If I let myself care too much, though, I'd be so torn up emotionally I couldn't function.
Quote from: reasonist on January 05, 2017, 01:21:25 PM
So there is no way to avoid disaster, since we can't turn back the time clock? If we continue at this rate, this species is on it's way out sooner than we think? How can we turn this tide?
Somehow I think that we have a self destruct gene, either through violence or through degeneration. Other than big brother controlling individual calorie intake and regulating birth rates, we have no other options? To watch this all rather helpless is frustrating because it seems that politicians don't care about future generations, just the next election. As individuals we have a responsibility to care and act but our power is pretty much limited to elections. And the last one showed that many of us just don't give a damn about the world we leave for our children.
The clock will be turned back, to 75,000 BCE ... when we almost became extinct after the eruption of Mt Toba. That and a few Ice Ages and that prehistoric squirrel may finally catch that acorn ;-)
Back in the day, when survival was at stake, parents killed and ate their children (it is in the Bible), because they could replace them later, but if the parents died, the children would die anyway. Maslow's hierarchy of needs. If you are at the bottom of that pyramid, then pretty much anything is expendable.
I do think we are doomed. It will most likely be too late if we try to set up a colony on another planet to save our species. Trying to expand to other planets in general will be a hard thing to get support for in the first place because there will be plenty who will see it as pointless. We are most likely screwed though, we humans like killing each other and waiting till the last minute to try and save ourselves even though it is pointless.
Quote from: Journey_To_Mars on January 05, 2017, 11:11:55 PM
I do think we are doomed. It will most likely be too late if we try to set up a colony on another planet to save our species. Trying to expand to other planets in general will be a hard thing to get support for in the first place because there will be plenty who will see it as pointless. We are most likely screwed though, we humans like killing each other and waiting till the last minute to try and save ourselves even though it is pointless.
See Thelma and Louise going over the cliff ... wheee
Again with the end of the world? Really?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2017, 06:53:07 AM
Again with the end of the world? Really?
Not in my opinion. See earlier post in this string. But a deflation of inflated expectations, is more precious than a Capital One credit card ;-( Utopia will continue to recede. Human survival will always be in a knife edge. The Millennials better get to work.
The worst thing about being a historian is seeing the same shit over and over again.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2017, 06:53:07 AM
Again with the end of the world? Really?
Yeah, but we won't go out with a bang, only a tiny whimper...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 06, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
Yeah, but we won't go out with a bang, only a tiny whimper...
I see we're all "bypassing" the cause of the end of the world...
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 06, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
Yeah, but we won't go out with a bang, only a tiny whimper...
Because Millennial snowflakes ... an alternative to Nuclear winter.
Quote from: reasonist on December 25, 2016, 10:48:04 AM
Then the question should be: is it going to be our own doing? As Mammalians we are no exception to the rule of temporary existence, but are we bringing on our own demise?
Hawkins gives Earth less than a thousand years. That's a flicker in geological terms. If we don't nuke ourselves to extinction, we will run out of finite resources. Not to mention natural disasters like a meteorite, volcanoes or earthquakes. Can we evolve in time to forego superstition, greed and tribal sentiments? In time to plunder other planets and maybe even relocate? Maybe instead of spending trillions to 'defend' ourselves from our own species, we should invest heavily in technology that allows us to continue our existence in case of a catastrophe. (The universe doesn't care one way or another and would be better off without us anyway.) But I am continuously surprised by the apathy displayed when it comes to preparation for events outside our control, like natural disasters. Our survival instinct is misdirected by concentrating on humans for the source of destruction.
I like to wish all fellow posters a happy Festivus and belated solstice! Health and happiness always!
We will breed so fast and efficiently -as we perfectly proved that we can- the planet will not be able to sustain us and we'll kill and eat each other like rats. There will be no space or resources of any kind, no clean water. It won't be a sudden event. It will take a 'looong' time, in human time. And the life we know will be very different. Probably there will be scattered violent battles and wars everywhere around the world for food, water and anything basic at some point.
I dont mean wars between cultures or soveriegn nations, countries we are already in that phase, I mean the phase after that. A demography too high, famine too harsh traditional power zones will collapse one by one, because they won't survive. The order of the world will change fundamentally.
Any group of people will get armed in some way and attack around. And the winner will control any sort of resource or land. We call this terrorism today, because we still have a society life; states and organisations that large populations living under, a some sort of an order. Now imagine what would happen if the world was divided into countless little terrorist groups killing and plundering, because the demography is too high, famine is too common and harsh.
That's the 'end' of the world you are talking about, but it is not the end of the world, it is the end of the way of living as we know it. This is why this concept of end of humanity or the world is problematic. We are not equipped to speculate about our extinction realistically, because first it is a religious concept in root and it is the life style and order which means the same to us. It's just a different life. It's actually our past in a different setting and form. So when I try to look forward and forward I see that.
I don't see a nuclear war wiping out human even it happens which is unlikely imo. I wish it would be a clean extinction level event caused by a global killer hit, random chance. Scenarios like a deadly virus spread by a mad man sounds too much of a hollywood scenario and not enough to 'end' anything to me.
So that is it imo. Hundreds of billions of people and a world map consisted of thousands of tiny little groups moving around in constant battle.
Yes, a return to hunter-gatherer phase, where there are many small groups in competition with each other, but in a world of diminished biology. Please don't beat me over the head, Club of Rome!
Shoe, you can be the overly smart cave woman, from Clan of the Cave Bear ;-)
There are thousands of novels that deal with this subject. I love them, and have read hundreds of them. Currently reading The Passage series, by Cronin. Very well done. Anyway, the world ends in hundreds of ways in these books--take your pick and there is most likely a book that deals with it.
Cultural evolution is an evolutionary side-effect of big brains. Of course we have no chance.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 09:47:33 AM
There are thousands of novels that deal with this subject. I love them, and have read hundreds of them. Currently reading The Passage series, by Cronin. Very well done. Anyway, the world ends in hundreds of ways in these books--take your pick and there is most likely a book that deals with it.
The Earth Abides,
Alas, Babylon.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2017, 03:39:35 PM
The Earth Abides, Alas, Babylon.
Yep--loved them both. Level 7 is bit different--takes place in the 7th level of a Colorado bunker built into the Rockies.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 04:09:57 PM
Yep--loved them both. Level 7 is bit different--takes place in the 7th level of a Colorado bunker built into the Rockies.
I wrote one about a family that is "testing" a super bunker for the father's very rich boss. They get a huge sum for spending a year there, with no contact with the outside world. But one month in to the year the supervising computer reports that all humans have disappeared from the Earth.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2017, 04:59:06 PM
I wrote one about a family that is "testing" a super bunker for the father's very rich boss. They get a huge sum for spending a year there, with no contact with the outside world. But one month in to the year the supervising computer reports that all humans have disappeared from the Earth.
Did you ever get it published???
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 05:41:11 PM
Did you ever get it published???
The conclusions disturbed too many people.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2017, 05:49:16 PM
The conclusions disturbed too many people.
Sounds like my kind of read.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 06:29:39 PM
Sounds like my kind of read.
You'll have to contact my widow.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2017, 06:42:38 PM
You'll have to contact my widow.
Really? You're dead? How'd I miss your funeral???????
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2017, 09:21:24 PM
Really? You're dead? How'd I miss your funeral???????
You didn't check my facebook page, obviously. But I meant that nothing will be published until I'm dead. Publisher grumbled a bit (quite a bit), but nothing he can do.
:lol:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 07, 2017, 04:19:24 AM
We will breed so fast and efficiently -as we perfectly proved that we can- the planet will not be able to sustain us and we'll kill and eat each other like rats. There will be no space or resources of any kind, no clean water. It won't be a sudden event. It will take a 'looong' time, in human time. And the life we know will be very different. Probably there will be scattered violent battles and wars everywhere around the world for food, water and anything basic at some point.
I dont mean wars between cultures or soveriegn nations, countries we are already in that phase, I mean the phase after that. A demography too high, famine too harsh traditional power zones will collapse one by one, because they won't survive. The order of the world will change fundamentally.
Any group of people will get armed in some way and attack around. And the winner will control any sort of resource or land. We call this terrorism today, because we still have a society life; states and organisations that large populations living under, a some sort of an order. Now imagine what would happen if the world was divided into countless little terrorist groups killing and plundering, because the demography is too high, famine is too common and harsh.
That's the 'end' of the world you are talking about, but it is not the end of the world, it is the end of the way of living as we know it. This is why this concept of end of humanity or the world is problematic. We are not equipped to speculate about our extinction realistically, because first it is a religious concept in root and it is the life style and order which means the same to us. It's just a different life. It's actually our past in a different setting and form. So when I try to look forward and forward I see that.
I don't see a nuclear war wiping out human even it happens which is unlikely imo. I wish it would be a clean extinction level event caused by a global killer hit, random chance. Scenarios like a deadly virus spread by a mad man sounds too much of a hollywood scenario and not enough to 'end' anything to me.
So that is it imo. Hundreds of billions of people and a world map consisted of thousands of tiny little groups moving around in constant battle.
damn you get me aroused when you talk like that.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 05:30:31 AM
You didn't check my facebook page, obviously. But I meant that nothing will be published until I'm dead. Publisher grumbled a bit (quite a bit), but nothing he can do.
Haven't been on facebook in years, so missed that. So, you are the modern Mark Twain, I see. Only problem is that I will probably beat you to that situation of being dead.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Haven't been on facebook in years, so missed that. So, you are the modern Mark Twain, I see. Only problem is that I will probably beat you to that situation of being dead.
And the race is on!
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 05:30:31 AM
You didn't check my facebook page, obviously. But I meant that nothing will be published until I'm dead. Publisher grumbled a bit (quite a bit), but nothing he can do.
Too bad he is chicken shit ;-( There was a TV movie once ... a post Apocalypse. The elite had gotten into a spaceship and took a long relativistic trip, to come back a couple hundred years later. Meanwhile there was a guy in stasis, before the End. The survivors woke him up, because they needed his technical expertise. They had a weapon to blow up a meteorite heading to Earth. So he helps them destroy it. Only later he figures out, this was the spaceship of the Elite, getting karma.
I can't quite parse out why he's a chicken-shit. Other publishers wouldn't touch that story, he said it was "interesting".
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 11:35:12 AM
I can't quite parse out why he's a chicken-shit. Other publishers wouldn't touch that story, he said it was "interesting".
If I understand it correctly, Mark Twain had many many books he had to submit many, many times before they were published. So, get on with it................
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
If I understand it correctly, Mark Twain had many many books he had to submit many, many times before they were published. So, get on with it................
As I said, I have a publisher. I won't allow publication until after I'm dead. I won't be arguing about anything I wrote with anyone.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 12:04:24 PM
As I said, I have a publisher. I won't allow publication until after I'm dead. I won't be arguing about anything I wrote with anyone.
Well, spoken, Mark.......................
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
Well, spoken, Mark.......................
More appropriately,
Grumbles From The Grave II.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
More appropriately, Grumbles From The Grave II.
A couple of years ago, I purchased the double volume of Mark Twain memoirs. He had stipulated that he was to be dead for 100 years I think before it could be published.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 12:04:24 PM
As I said, I have a publisher. I won't allow publication until after I'm dead. I won't be arguing about anything I wrote with anyone.
Tell that to Oliver Cromwell. They dug up his body, tried and executed him, and hung his cadaver up for all to see, as if he had recently died. Can't be too careful with Roundhead zombies ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 05:30:24 PM
Tell that to Oliver Cromwell. They dug up his body, tried and executed him, and hung his cadaver up for all to see, as if he had recently died. Can't be too careful with Roundhead zombies ;-)
If I have any complaints I'll voice them at that time.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 05:46:48 PM
If I have any complaints I'll voice them at that time.
You will have your own TV series. Americans love their zombie porn. But I don't, just keep the sexy zombie scenes in the funeral home ;-) Don't ask, don't decay!
I seriously doubt that Mr Cromwell was aware of the insults to his corpse...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 12:36:31 PM
I seriously doubt that Mr Cromwell was aware of the insults to his corpse...
It wasn't for him, it was to "put fear into his associates". People back then were worried about corpse desecration. At that time, if you were a highway robber, they would hang you, and then put your corpse on a jibbit next to the highway, to rot a long time ... and feed the crows.
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
It wasn't for him, it was to "put fear into his associates". People back then were worried about corpse desecration. At that time, if you were a highway robber, they would hang you, and then put your corpse on a jibbit next to the highway, to rot a long time ... and feed the crows.
I rather suspect they weren't so much concerned about "corpse desecration" as a fear they would be next... Seeing a out-law punished horribly causes a wonderful focus on the benefits of obedience.