https://www.icr.org/article/6188/
No.
Quote from: Murat_Devekusu on December 17, 2016, 03:14:29 AM
https://www.icr.org/article/6188/
First: "ICR.ORG"? Not wasting my time.
Second: See "First".
Quote from: Murat_Devekusu on December 17, 2016, 03:14:29 AM
https://www.icr.org/article/6188/
My eyes! Can't unseen that article ;-)
The only thing more pernicious than the idea that Jews are undermenschen ... is the idea that Jews are ubermenschen.
Actually Genesis is correct, in the original Hebrew only. In Kabbalah, the universe is made up not of atoms or numbers, but the Hebrew letters (however Hebrew letters are also numbers). Therefore every verse of the Hebrew Bible ... is a formula for gematria. Modern genetics only proves that some, not all, Jewish genetic lines were preserved thru in-group marriage. But that doesn't prove theism, it only proves the murderous nature of Gentiles.
I'm not giving page views to ICR.
Equal opportunity butt-stabber.
No, but I give the author kudos for pretending to sound all sciency and stuff. He should fool the lemmings quite easily.
I have approximately zero interest in anything icr has to say other than admitting they're full of shit. Short of that..zip.
https://youtu.be/35K6vQRt67g
No quotation, no reading.
No. Genesis disproves itself.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 17, 2016, 07:34:55 PM
No. Genesis disproves itself.
Iron age poetry is just poetry. It isn't right or wrong. Is "itsy bitsy spider" right or wrong? It is something a child recites.
Quote from: Baruch on December 17, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
Iron age poetry is just poetry. It isn't right or wrong. Is "itsy bitsy spider" right or wrong? It is something a child recites.
When people think that poetry is the literal truth of the world, it needs to be treated as a claim.
Quote from: Murat_Devekusu on December 17, 2016, 03:14:29 AM
https://www.icr.org/article/6188/
so, are you actually going to provide a discussion with us? or are you going to spam links and duck out of each thread you create?
Just the fact that it comes from ICR is sufficient to debunk it. That's how bad ICR's reputation is. Kind of like AIG, Breitbart and InfoWars. Sources of utter BS.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on December 18, 2016, 12:13:28 AM
When people think that poetry is the literal truth of the world, it needs to be treated as a claim.
This is the problem I have with atheists. When ape men take something literally, or try to use it as a fact claim, or try to use it as an excuse for tyranny ... you laugh, you don't treat them as anything more than childish ape men .. Bedtime for Bonzo.
Quote from: Baruch on December 17, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
Iron age poetry is just poetry. It isn't right or wrong. Is "itsy bitsy spider" right or wrong? It is something a child recites.
Okay. But I have not heard of anybody getting killed over 'Itsy bitsy spider'.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 18, 2016, 09:01:46 AM
Okay. But I have not heard of anybody getting killed over 'Itsy bitsy spider'.
Maybe some stupid kid was doing this routine in the street without looking for traffic ;-(
People are bad, so blame their memes. This works in many areas of politics. Even Christians say, condemn the sin, not the sinner. Well I condemn the sinner.
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2016, 09:08:58 AM
Maybe some stupid kid was doing this routine in the street without looking for traffic ;-(
People are bad, so blame their memes. This works in many areas of politics. Even Christians say, condemn the sin, not the sinner. Well I condemn the sinner.
Generally speaking, I don't think people are bad; I think the average guy would prefer to do 'good' as opposed to 'bad'. And , yes, those two words are loaded--what is good and what is bad. And I guess it depends upon what the 'sin' is. I condemn both the person and the act if his name is Manson. If the 'sin' is a 12 yr. old boy jerking off in his room, I blame the 'sin'.
Said like someone who might support US foreign policy for the last 35 years ... starting with Al Qaida in Afghanistan. Our freedom fighters are their terrorists. I don't accept that kind of relativism.
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2016, 12:04:37 PM
Said like someone who might support US foreign policy for the last 35 years ... starting with Al Qaida in Afghanistan. Our freedom fighters are their terrorists. I don't accept that kind of relativism.
What???
No, this article has a few issues:
first, if we believe evolution, the current theory is that we all started in Africa, and eventually migrated around the world. If this is true, than it makes sense that people in Israel and the Middle East would have distant African ancestry. Also, this article is talking about a study analyzing sub-Saharan Africa. The fact that Jacob married an Egyptian is irrelevant, because Egyptians are not Sub-Saharan. The article also uses a leap of faith when it claims that because Jewish people mixed with North Africans, it is likely that they mixed with other African populations. Again, this is just an assumption. Africa is close to present day Israel on the map, so there is no surprise that there was mixing. This article is looking for parallels between religion and science. At best, the article proves that the bible is correct in stating that there was mixture with Jewish populations and African populations. That is one parallel, it does not mean that all of science and religion are now parallel. The world was not created in 6 days, and is not only 6000 years old. We can look at geology to debunk that. Therefore, this article is wishful thinking, and has no grounds as being considered a fact.
Fifa-girl ... have you made an introduction post yet? Please do, I am looking forward to it ;-)
There is genetic diffusion, cultural diffusion and language diffusion ... all overlapping. They don't always match each other. Language wise ... the original Israelites were Semites, like the Arabs. The Egyptians were Hamites, similar to the Berbers. The Hamites and Semites split off from each other during the Ice Ages, entering the non-African areas after the Mt Toba explosion in 75,000 BC. Homo Erectus didn't survive that, but the Neanderthals in Europe and Near East did ... along with modern humans in Africa. When one branch of modern humans left Africa via Yemen, they ended up in Australia eventually. The Sahara was a watered savannah ... pre-Hamites lived there. When the Sahara returned to being a desert, part of the Hamites were isolated on the Sub-Saharan area, and in E Africa. Others were isolated to the N African coast (Berbers), the others migrated to the Nile valley, becoming the first Egyptians. Some of those Egyptians migrated thru the Sinai to the N East and the Semites (people left behind nearest Africa) migrated thru the Sinai to Egypt (more than once). These migrations back and forth across the Sinai, and military expeditions, are the basis for the 1st thru 5th books of the Jewish Bible aka Books of Moses. These aren't histories or even genealogies, they are a complex hagiography and foundation myth, that has been reworked multiple times. All three forms of diffusion, went back and forth between the Near East/Egypt and Yemen/Ethiopia. This is pretty much who Jews were 2000 years ago.
Quote from: Murat_Devekusu on December 17, 2016, 03:14:29 AM
https://www.icr.org/article/6188/
These kinds of things aren't meant to persuade unbelievers of the truth of the Bible or religion. They are merely put out there so the flock can feel it has good rational reasons for its belief. Why they bring such silliness here only their God knows...
Quote from: Baruch on December 18, 2016, 09:08:58 AM
Even Christians say, condemn the sin, not the sinner. Well I condemn the sinner.
That's like saying "condemn the murder, not the murderer." Just more silly prattling.