QuoteSULLIVAN, Ind. - Some parents, students and clergy in an eastern Indiana city want a separate high school prom banning gay and lesbian students.
A group of supporters met Sunday at the Sullivan First Christian Church, in Sullivan County, to plan a separate "traditional prom" for Sullivan High School students that would prohibit gays from attending, WTWO reported .
"We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.
"If we can get a good prom, then we can convince more people to come and follow what they believe," student Kynon Johnson told WTWO.
Among the supporters is Diana Medley, a special education teacher at nearby North Central Jr./Sr. High School in the Northeast School Corporation, who told WTWO she doesn't believe anyone is born gay.
"We don't agree with [homosexuality], and it's offensive to us," she said. "Homosexual students come to me with their problems, and I don't agree with them, but I care about them. It's the same thing with my special needs kids. I think God puts everyone in our lives for a reason."
When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."
"A gay person isn't going to come up and make some change unless it's to realize that it was a choice and they're choosing God," Medley told WTWO.
Area pastors are also voicing support for the separate prom movement.
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
A Facebook page supporting the "traditional prom" had been pulled down Monday morning, and a counter campaign had been launched called Support the Sullivan High School Prom for All Students .
National gay rights advocate Dan Savage also blasted the separate prom movement on his blog .
"There's no way to stop the haters at Sullivan High School from holding an independent prom for the special bigoted kids," he wrote. "But here's what we can do: we can make a noise so loud enough that all the queer kids at Sullivan High School hear it. Those kids need to know that there are people -- a lot of people -- who think this (expletive) is wrong."
Messages seeking comment were left Monday for Southwest School Corporation Superintendent Chris Stitzle and for Northeast School Corporation Superintendent Mark Baker.
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So just a few of my thoughts on this:
1. How the fuck can Christians continue to try to get away with this "I love you, but I think that you should be discriminated against" bullshit? I would've thought it would have become cliche by now.
2. I hope they have their little traditional prom. I hope it's fucking magical. I hope it's the best "traditional" prom one could even think of. I want those kids to have the best time of their lives. Then, 9 months later when all the girls give birth because condoms are evil (so is premarital sex, but damn these hormones!), I want them to think about what "traditional" values really mean.
3. There is no point number 3 - fuck these people in their overly tight assholes with a rusty pole.
Eh, churches around here used to do "prom alternatives" for Christians who felt convicted by the "sinful atmosphere" of public school prom. They all sucked ass and I'm sure this "prom alternative" will too.
20 years from now it'll be like talking to your grandparents about segregated bathrooms.
Fundies been pulling stuff like this for years, with mixed results. Mostly, it just whips up a shitstorm and organizers usually bail or become targets of public scorn for forever. But these people sure seem to love playing the role of pious martyrs, so it could go either way. Expect the "traditional" prom to be very light on attendees, if they even do it at all.
I'd go, but I'd blast
this song on a boombox until I got kicked out. If it doesn't work just copy paste the URL.
<<< "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO. >>>
Wait a moment here! I will change one word here ...
"We want to make the public see that we love the TERRORISTS, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.
It doesn't make sense to love the TERRORISTS and they shouldn't be accepted.
Why would it make sense to believe that those hypocrite Christians could love the HOMOSEXUALS while they shouldn't accept them?
Basically! Stop saying that you love the homosexuals if you can't accept them.
Quote from: "speakoutpierre"Basically! Stop saying that you love the homosexuals if you can't accept them.
I agree, though I think the terrorism analogy is flawed.
1. They DO love terrorists, and they love them the exact same way they love homos.
2. This legitimizes the argument that homosexuality is harmful, even if unintentionally.
They have an internal disconnect between what they call love, and what love actually is. They CLAIM they follow the bible, but ignore 1 Cor 13 when it requires them to treat "unsavory" people as humans. They love gays, until it is time to treat gays as people and extend them the same rights that they give everyone else. Their love for people who are different is the kind of internal love that really means fuck all in the real world.
"We love blacks/Mexicans/women, but we don't think they should be accepted." These people will go down in history as assholes on a level with slave owners of the past.
Christian tradition - 2,000 years of bigotry.
That's what I take away from their request.
I thought the days of "Separate but equal" was over, but it never ceases to astound me how much history repeats itself despite progress.
FUCK your "traditional" prom, it is 2013, same shit was said about inter racial marriage, this is not the 1950s, grow the fuck up assholes.
Quote from: "Brian37"I thought the days of "Separate but equal" was over, but it never ceases to astound me how much history repeats itself despite progress.
FUCK your "traditional" prom, it is 2013, same shit was said about inter racial marriage, this is not the 1950s, grow the fuck up assholes.
The thing that
really astounds me is how many black people are against gay rights, particularly older ones that still remember the civil rights movement of the 60's. You'd think they wouldn't want to be on the other side of such a similar issue that they/their ancestors went through.
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "Brian37"I thought the days of "Separate but equal" was over, but it never ceases to astound me how much history repeats itself despite progress.
FUCK your "traditional" prom, it is 2013, same shit was said about inter racial marriage, this is not the 1950s, grow the fuck up assholes.
The thing that really astounds me is how many black people are against gay rights, particularly older ones that still remember the civil rights movement of the 60's. You'd think they wouldn't want to be on the other side of such a similar issue that they/their ancestors went through.
Well you go far enough into the future you can see even atheists looking at a new minority and doing the same thing, so it still amounts to the evolutionary fear of change. Humans see a pattern and when it works long enough they don't like any change even if that change is good.
I think the cure is to always remind ALL HUMANS that we are NOT a separate species and what bad might have been done to us in the past we ourselves if we forget, can potentially do to some other group in the future.
Discrimination against Kimmie?
(Sharpens knives)
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"The thing that really astounds me is how many black people are against gay rights, particularly older ones that still remember the civil rights movement of the 60's. You'd think they wouldn't want to be on the other side of such a similar issue that they/their ancestors went through.
It comes under the heading of "I got mine, so screw you".
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"The thing that really astounds me is how many black people are against gay rights, particularly older ones that still remember the civil rights movement of the 60's. You'd think they wouldn't want to be on the other side of such a similar issue that they/their ancestors went through.
It comes under the heading of "I got mine, so screw you".
I don't honestly think this is the case. Black people, especially ones old enough to remember the civil rights battles, are almost always EXTREMELY religious. There is no biblical basis for racism, nowhere does the bible say "black folks aint people". The bible DOES say "kill homos". There was never a way to claim that one can choose not to be black, but there is an easy way to claim homosexuality is a choice, even if it's biologically erronous to do so. It's ironic, but it's not terribly far-fetched that it's not a selfish idea on their part.
I read "traditional" as meaning pig's blood.
I saw that movie. it sucked. The book was much better.
Quote from: "_Xenu_"Discrimination against Kimmie?
(Sharpens knives)
Hand me a couple.
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When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."
She doesn't understand it. So she wants to kill it with fire.
Typical redneck reaction to something a little different.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"When shall these idiots learn that they are clearly not the 'city hall' to make rules?
With rednecks? The universe won't last long enough. Everything has to be their way - because they're right. (And too willfully stupid to understand why they're wrong.)
Quote from: "buttfinger"I don't honestly think this is the case. Black people, especially ones old enough to remember the civil rights battles, are almost always EXTREMELY religious. There is no biblical basis for racism, nowhere does the bible say "black folks aint people". The bible DOES say "kill homos". There was never a way to claim that one can choose not to be black, but there is an easy way to claim homosexuality is a choice, even if it's biologically erronous to do so. It's ironic, but it's not terribly far-fetched that it's not a selfish idea on their part.
But there ARE many verses where slavery is justified, and even commanded, by the God of the Bible. Slave owners used these verses to bolster their view that slavery was ordained by God, and therefore right and proper. So while there is nothing specifically about dark-skinned people from Africa, there is a lot about the proper place of slaves, which is what millions of Africans became once they were captured by Bible-believing white folks. I guess for me, the real wonder is that blacks accepted a white man's religion that placed them on a level with cows and horses--animals that served a purpose and could be abused at will.
Xtianity has always appealed most to those who benefit financially and the uneducated underclass that support them. Aren't younger and more educated black people turning away from their church, like Infidel Guy, for instance? (I've always thought it would be really cool to actually meet him in person some day.)
Quote from: "Brian37"Quote from: "_Xenu_"Discrimination against Kimmie?
(Sharpens knives)
Hand me a couple.
This one should work fine.(//http://www.mynewoldschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5459sharp_knife.jpg)
Quote from: "NonXNonExX"Xtianity has always appealed most to those who benefit financially and the uneducated underclass that support them. Aren't younger and more educated black people turning away from their church, like Infidel Guy, for instance? (I've always thought it would be really cool to actually meet him in person some day.)
I think that's simply younger and more educated people from all demographics are turning away from the church. The funny thing (particularly in light of the thread on "Christian persecution") is that they've done more to cause it themselves than any skeptic or other religion's groups ever could. Between the crimes against humanity of the Catholic church and whackjob fundies forcing their way into politics and education particularly starting with the Dubya administration & Congress at the time, they've completely turned off anyone with half a brain. The internet is rapidly speeding up the process, though it also gives them the means to spread propaganda slowing things slightly.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"When shall these idiots learn that they are clearly not the 'city hall' to make rules?
With rednecks? The universe won't last long enough. Everything has to be their way - because they're right. (And too willfully stupid to understand why they're wrong.)
Be carefull bashing "rednecks" Hillbilly prides himself on being a "redneck" and I can tell you, no one gets you to write a poem about music you hate(I wrote a poem about Woodie Guthry) because of Hillbilly Atheist, who rightfully pointed out to me much to my horror, that not all "rednecks" are racist homophobes.
Woodie Guthry was a country bluegrass star during the great depression advocating for the working class and working poor. Willy Nelson has collaborated with Snoop Dog, and also has a country song about advocating for gays.
I think it is more a politics and class. The rich and the right are great at dividing people along race and demographics.
Click on the link in my sig and go to the 4th or 3rd to last page. Or google "Dusty Banjo" by Brian37. That was both an Ode to Woodie Guthry and HB. Keep in mind I hate country and bluegrass.
Every time I see this thread I read the title as 'traditional porn'.
I wouldn't object to traditional porn, though i'm not really fond of porn in general.
Quote from: "NonXNonExX"I wouldn't object to traditional porn, though i'm not really fond of porn in general.
So how does it feel being an alien disguised as a human?
Are you saying aliens should not be allowed to attend a traditional prom either?
Quote from: "NonXNonExX"Are you saying aliens should not be allowed to attend a traditional prom either?
LOL.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "NonXNonExX"Are you saying aliens should not be allowed to attend a traditional prom either?
Well if they are not students of that school they shouldn't. But what's the policy? Can students bring someone from outside as a partner? If that's allowed, they can also bring an alien with them of course. Why not?
As long as the alien is of the different sex. We don't want homo aliens ruining our traditional proms!
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"As long as the alien is of the different sex. We don't want homo aliens ruining our traditional proms!
I'm pretty sure sex is an Earth type phenomenon. I don't know how you are supposed to determine the sex of an alien, anyhow. Not that they aren't interested, of course. You can't tell me all that disrobing and probing they put us through isn't about sex.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"As long as the alien is of the different sex. We don't want homo aliens ruining our traditional proms!
I'm pretty sure sex is an Earth type phenomenon. I don't know how you are supposed to determine the sex of an alien, anyhow. Not that they aren't interested, of course. You can't tell me all that disrobing and probing they put us through isn't about sex.
:shock: You are definitely onto something here!
They have been trying to understand what's the so big fucking deal about all that people going mad on who puts his penis where whose butt, when the butt AND the penis in question even don't belong to themselves. They have already got how primitive our culture is AND they are looking for a cure!
OR may be they are just bored of their own sex lives and looking for new fantasies.
Or all that probing is some sort of a marginal fetish in alien world. "Oh him? He is one of them you know, loves probing human ass. He doesn't want to go out with it though. It might be a problem at his work... "
Maybe they are just signaling us of their peaceful intentions, because they know we like it so much.
^^
Bullshit! I've been trying to reach out to them for years, and to this day I haven't been probed by some green man.
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"^^
Bullshit! I've been trying to reach out to them for years, and to this day I haven't been probed by some green man.
Apparently, they're still focused on Iowa and Nebraska, and aren't finished there yet.
I keep seeing prom as porn.