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Title: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 09:33:40 PM
I remember all this shit! Tell me if I'm crazy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmRmuyUgvU

Do you remember any of this stuff or am I alone!
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Shiranu on November 17, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
Okay, I just got to the Bernstein bears bit and I am slightly freaked out now.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 09:51:31 PM
no shit what else changed when I wasn't looking? Probably lots of stuff! NO one noticed yet!
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 09:54:47 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 09:51:31 PM
no shit what else changed when I wasn't looking? Probably lots of stuff! NO one noticed yet!

the deeper I go down the rabbit whole the crazier this shit gets. And I feel like a freak because I remember all of it!
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Shiranu on November 17, 2016, 09:57:14 PM
That said, I'm sure it's just a young mind vs old mind changing small details, rather than anything too extreme...


Still creepy as shit though. The Volvo and Volkswagen both though I don't remember any other way than the "new" way. The Oscar Meyer pisses me off though, because I KNOW it was meyer... I own several replica weiner mobiles ffs and saw it in person several times...
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 09:58:06 PM
no no there's too much for this to not be real. I REMEMBER ALL OF IT and I'm not crazy.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:15:08 PM
the mandela effect dont real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJpSz21Ru4
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:17:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5NVS6z8S_U

yeah F armoured skeptic he doesn't know what he's talking about. I REMEMBER very clearly most of the stuff talked about now how the hell is that possible?

NO NO NO he does not know what he's saying! I KNOW For a fact that history is changing! I don't know why some people can't notice and others do but It's real. armoured skeptic doesn't know because he doesn't remember. He's not effected by the mandela effect. So how would he know what he's talking about? HE doesn't!
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Shiranu on November 17, 2016, 10:22:00 PM


Even James Earl Jones remembers "Luke..." rather than, "No...".

Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:17:01 PMyeah F armoured skeptic he doesn't know what he's talking about. I REMEMBER very clearly most of the stuff talked about now how the hell is that possible?
Memory is one of the most malleable things in the human brain. I stopped at the "Berenstein Bears" conspiracy and looked it up. Guess what? It's a misconception born of the fact that so many names at the time ended in "-stein," thus people's brains silently replaced the "a" with an "e." This same misconception is why some products have the "-stein" spelling as well: manufacturers got confused.

Quote from: Shiranu on November 17, 2016, 10:22:00 PMEven James Earl Jones remembers "Luke..." rather than, "No...".
See above. With all due respect to Mr. Jones, his memory is just as fallible as anyone else's.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:27:07 PM
Memory is one of the most malleable things in the human brain. I stopped at the "Berenstein Bears" conspiracy and looked it up. Guess what? It's a misconception born of the fact that so many names at the time ended in "-stein," thus people's brains silently replaced the "a" with an "e." This same misconception is why some products have the "-stein" spelling as well: manufacturers got confused.
See above. With all due respect to Mr. Jones, his memory is just as fallible as anyone else's.

Yep you don't get it yet. I'm not making this up. I would not fing lie about this. I remember these things, all of them. If I miss remembered one ok no big deal. I miss remembered all of them?( ok not the obscure things like the islands that I didn't even know existed) And so did half the population?

Are you telling me that star wars fans, Star wars buffs got it wrong? And so did the actor said those lines? I'm sorry but that's pretty assholic to just chuck this up to memory loss. This IS real accept it or don't, But it is happening!
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
Three years ago I was doing Godzilla's theme by ear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EE6B6eGhXg

At 0:23 the strings hit a C note 6 times. I could have sworn it was supposed to be 5, but I listened to the source material and it was indeed 6. A little later the same thing is done with a D note: could've sworn it should be 5, it was actually 6. Naturally, I concluded that this was the result of me entering a parallel universe where Akira Ifukube had composed the song with a different tempo... no wait, I actually realized I had just never listened that closely to the song and was simply mistaken.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:36:40 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:34:22 PM
Yep you don't get it yet. I'm not making this up. I would not fing lie about this. I remember these things, all of them. If I miss remembered one ok no big deal. I miss remembered all of them?( ok not the obscure things like the islands that I didn't even know existed) And so did half the population?

Are you telling me that star wars fans, Star wars buffs got it wrong? And so did the actor said those lines? I'm sorry but that's pretty assholic to just chuck this up to memory loss. This IS real accept it or don't, But it is happening!
If you actually watched Armoured Skeptic's video, he clearly explains how this happens. I'm not going to repeat the statements of the video, just watch the damned thing.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:36:40 PM
If you actually watched Armoured Skeptic's video, he clearly explains how this happens. I'm not going to repeat the statements of the video, just watch the damned thing.

Thank you and I've watched his video. Sure that could be an explanation but that is not what is happening! This is not a I"m messing with your memory kind of thing. This is a straight up history has been changed sort of thing. Like I said you don't remember so you don't have to believe it but some of these things are BURNED into your memory. You don't forget them. Ever! Especially the star wars quote.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:43:08 PM
Thank you and I've watched his video. Sure that could be an explanation but that is not what is happening! This is not a I"m messing with your memory kind of thing. This is a straight up history has been changed sort of thing. Like I said you don't remember so you don't have to believe it but some of these things are BURNED into your memory. You don't forget them. Ever! Especially the star wars quote.
The Star Wars quote is just your brain inserting a word that makes the stand-alone quote make more sense. The fact that a large number of people do this is evidence of nothing more than the fact that this is a species-wide trait.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 17, 2016, 10:59:41 PM
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 17, 2016, 10:49:34 PM
The Star Wars quote is just your brain inserting a word that makes the stand-alone quote make more sense. The fact that a large number of people do this is evidence of nothing more than the fact that this is a species-wide trait.

That doesn't even make sense. So my brain just inserted a word from the time I was a kid until now? This is an ICONIC phrase! It is in no way a miss quote. If it was you can bet your ass starwars junkies would have made a note of it long ago! I'm not miss remembering, armoured skeptic can be a skeptic that's fine but I know, what I know and I KNOW what was said in the star wars movies. I remember HEARING it over and over again when I was a child and forced to watch it. And believe me my memory was much better than it is now.

OK time to get off the starwars quote. Explain to me why FROOT LOOPS makes more sense than FRUIT LOOPS? It has always been FRUIT LOOPS. Why would I say that if it wasn't true? If I didn't remember I'd just say dude I don't remember, but I do remember that's the insane part!

This isn't deja vu, this isn't just a feeling like I remember something I actually fucking remember it! GOT IT!

Now I know I can't prove it but I'm not just remembering incorrectly.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Solomon Zorn on November 18, 2016, 03:45:04 AM
There are few bigger Star Wars fans than me. I can say, with absolute certainty, that it has always been, "No, I am your father," not the always-misquoted, "Luke, I am your father." Just as you think you remember it that way, because you have heard it repeatedly misquoted, I have been correcting those mis-quoters all these years.

Reality shift would be unnoticeable anyway, unless you were somehow impervious to it yourself.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 18, 2016, 04:02:29 AM
memes can mutate as they replicate. Doesn't mean the original is what you remember, and nog even what you are taught. Luke sounds better than 'no'. So the misquote got more popular, it probably got stuck more in the minds of those who heard it first, increasing the likelihood of it Being repeated. And so a misstake flourishes.
I don't know about you, but as much as i like star wars, i don't remotely see empire strikes back as often as i hear that quote. It's natural that my brain Will come to believe the quote I'm told much more often.

Always ask yourself, which is the less complicated answer? That i am wrong? Or that the universe is wrong?
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Baruch on November 18, 2016, 05:23:29 AM
As an older guy, I can testify that the memory is the first thing to go ... by the time you are 30.

Individual memory isn't a tape recorder, it is a dynamic paraphrase, the builder of your personality.

Social memory is a construct, history is converted to legend immediately, that is how culture is made.

Fiction is converted to fact ... by repetition and political will.

Your grasp of reality ... is egotistic.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Solomon Zorn on November 18, 2016, 07:33:54 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 18, 2016, 04:02:29 AM
memes can mutate as they replicate. Doesn't mean the original is what you remember, and nog even what you are taught. Luke sounds better than 'no'. So the misquote got more popular, it probably got stuck more in the minds of those who heard it first, increasing the likelihood of it Being repeated. And so a misstake flourishes.
I don't know about you, but as much as i like star wars, i don't remotely see empire strikes back as often as i hear that quote. It's natural that my brain Will come to believe the quote I'm told much more often.

Always ask yourself, which is the less complicated answer? That i am wrong? Or that the universe is wrong?
"Luke" sounds better than, "No," when a person is taking it out of context, as a stand-alone quote. "No" sounds better in context...recalling from memory...VADER: "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."  LUKE: "He told me you killed him."   VADER: "No, I am your father!"

If you don't say, "Luke" when using it as a stand-alone, it's not as easy to understand, for everyone hearing it.

Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 18, 2016, 07:35:45 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 18, 2016, 07:33:54 AM
"Luke" sounds better than, "No," when a person is taking it out of context, as a stand-alone quote. "No" sounds better in context...recalling from memory...VADER: "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father."  LUKE: "He told me you killed him."   VADER: "No, I am your father!"

If you don't say, "Luke" when using it as a stand-alone, it's not as easy to understand, for everyone hearing it.

Good point. :p
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Solomon Zorn on November 18, 2016, 07:41:47 AM
If you want to know about the mind playing tricks on you, though, I can attest that they seem very real. Malleability of memory is the least of the phenomena I've seen.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: SGOS on November 18, 2016, 09:17:58 AM
Finally, something that  explains why I'm probably still right about the things I got wrong.  This is reassuring.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 18, 2016, 09:59:08 AM
By the way, I distinctly remember Trump losing the 2016 election.

Somebody should get on rectifying that.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hydra009 on November 18, 2016, 10:27:36 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on November 17, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
Okay, I just got to the Bernstein bears bit and I am slightly freaked out now.
That really threw me for a loop.  I had a bunch of those books as a kid and I distinctly remember it as Berenstein because I wondered if the author was Jewish.  There's no way I would've gotten that impression by reading Berenstain.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 18, 2016, 12:09:41 PM
He's a bottle blond.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: doorknob on November 18, 2016, 03:03:10 PM
I don't care what sounds better. If you're gonna go by that then what about looney tunes? It makes more sense if it's looney toons as in cartoons,. Looney tunes as in music doesn't make sense now does it? There's something to this like it or not.

If I was unsure at all even a little bit I wouldn't be raising such a stink. But I clearly remember. If you don't that's fine but for me this IS happening. And I'm not the only one who remembers. I don't expect you to believe me actually but I will still say what I think and I think this is real.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: TrueStory on November 18, 2016, 03:25:45 PM
Most all of these are when things are not spelled they way you think they should be that somehow things are wrong.    Things get spelled wrong all the time and then persist on, very common with early hand drawn maps and translations.

Do you remember what you were doing and where you were at 9/11/2001?  I'm sure most people would say yes but 40% of people have conflicting memories just 10 years later.

http://time.com/3739786/memory-september-11/
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: TrueStory on November 18, 2016, 03:33:02 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 18, 2016, 03:03:10 PM
I don't care what sounds better. If you're gonna go by that then what about looney tunes? It makes more sense if it's looney toons as in cartoons,. Looney tunes as in music doesn't make sense now does it? There's something to this like it or not.

If I was unsure at all even a little bit I wouldn't be raising such a stink. But I clearly remember. If you don't that's fine but for me this IS happening. And I'm not the only one who remembers. I don't expect you to believe me actually but I will still say what I think and I think this is real.

It is real in the sense that you do have those memories about those items, just as real as any other memory but in this case they are just wrong.   The first time you experienced those items your brain sorted it in a way that was palatable to you and it stuck.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Solomon Zorn on November 18, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
Speaking of Looney Tunes...
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Unbeliever on November 18, 2016, 05:56:47 PM
I've lately been feeling as though the world and the cosmos are contrived, but in the absence of a Creator God, who could've contrived it, and why? Perhaps the Mandella effect can be explained by positing intelligent beings in a previous universe?

http://evodevouniverse.com/wiki/Selfish_biocosm_hypothesis
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on November 18, 2016, 06:03:30 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 18, 2016, 03:03:10 PMIf I was unsure at all even a little bit I wouldn't be raising such a stink. But I clearly remember. If you don't that's fine but for me this IS happening. And I'm not the only one who remembers. I don't expect you to believe me actually but I will still say what I think and I think this is real.
Randy, is that you? :lol:
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 18, 2016, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 18, 2016, 03:03:10 PM
I don't care what sounds better. If you're gonna go by that then what about looney tunes? It makes more sense if it's looney toons as in cartoons,. Looney tunes as in music doesn't make sense now does it? There's something to this like it or not.

Yes, it actually makes more sense. That's probably why your brain stored it that way and why you remember it as such. Still doesn't mean that's how it really was.

Doorknob, I Like you. I really do.
But you are acting in the very way you've called out on this forum in the past: putting personal experience and opinion before the facts that reality presents. You are not just sure in absence of evidence of your claim, but in oposition of evidence against your claim. I am not saying this is insanity, but you are acting Like a religious person of faith.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 18, 2016, 11:53:35 PM
I must be stuck in only one reality because I remembered all those accurately. I find it odd that people don't remember Volvo's logo has a male symbol because that seems distinctive.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hydra009 on November 19, 2016, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 18, 2016, 05:56:47 PMI've lately been feeling as though the world and the cosmos are contrived, but in the absence of a Creator God, who could've contrived it, and why?
It seems too flawed to be contrived.  Too messy, too inexact.  Weird, pointless stuff like random, fleeting pain and bizarre mutations.

I can spot the artifice of man-made virtual worlds very easily - straight lines, pristine landscapes (even wastelands are pristinely desolate), conservation of detail, objects placed with obvious purpose, etc.

The world is definitely in the former category.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: SGOS on November 19, 2016, 12:37:33 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 18, 2016, 11:53:35 PM
I must be stuck in only one reality because I remembered all those accurately. I find it odd that people don't remember Volvo's logo has a male symbol because that seems distinctive.

What's interesting to me is that remembering inaccurately in specific ways is a group characteristic, and not just the product of isolated individuals.  This should not be surprising.  The logo of something or the spelling of something may be close enough to a commonly understood or perceived counterpart.  People would tend to gravitate toward the more familiar of the two, and perceive both as the more familiar.

I've never actually heard of the Berenstein Bears, but to read "Berenstein" correctly jars my brain.  To even pronounce it correctly jars my brain.  I have this flag go up that says, "No, no.  This is wrong."  So my brain intercedes and fixes the problem for me subconsciously, and stores it away.  When I pull it up later, I'm going to remember it wrong, apparently with a whole bunch of other people, and a conspiracy of sorts begins suggesting that someone has changed it since it was first introduced.

It reminds me of the seductive quality of logical fallacies.  It's easy to understand why a logical fallacy is wrong, but they are so universally appealing in the right circumstances that people automatically use them without closely examining how they are being incorrectly applied.  And they are so universally appealing that over the years experts in logic have identified them and actually named them.  Talk about universal appeal.

It's the curse of homo sapiens, one of the first species to have evolved a uniquely cognitive brain.  It's a good brain as brains go, and everyone wants one, but geologically speaking, it just hit the market and is fraught with design errors, and it's going to take a long time to perfect.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: SGOS on November 19, 2016, 12:58:39 AM
This thread jars something else from memory.  I remember many years ago wrestling with something I was writing about Oscar Mayer Wieners.  I don't know if someone pointed out the misspelling or what, but I remember looking for an image of the brand to confirm the correct spelling (not so easy to do before the internet).  I remember the experience as intellectually painful, but milder than that.  Part of the problem was that because of the advertising blitz on TV, "Mayer" was actually pronounced "Meyer", and the jingle that played in everyone's head was much more dominant than the visualization of the product logo.  Spelling it "Mayer" just became wrong in my mind, so my brain changed it and stored it for me the way I wanted it.

In fact, it's possible that the advertising jingle may have actually said "Mayer", which my brain also "fixed" and stored the auditory version in my memory.  I'd have to listen to the jingle again and see how it actually was pronounced.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 19, 2016, 02:00:21 AM
I just had a weird memory experience. I saw an article reporting the cause was finally discovered of a mysterious fog in 1952 that killed 12,000 people in London over five days. My first reaction was that this wasn't a true story. How could such a terrible event have happened and I never heard of it? I looked it up and the story is obviously true. I swear I can't recall it but it seems so unlikely I would miss 12,000 Londoners dying from killer fog. Did I really never know this or did I know it and forget it?
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: GrinningYMIR on November 19, 2016, 02:24:07 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 19, 2016, 02:00:21 AM
I just had a weird memory experience. I saw an article reporting the cause was finally discovered of a mysterious fog in 1952 that killed 12,000 people in London over five days. My first reaction was that this wasn't a true story. How could such a terrible event have happened and I never heard of it? I looked it up and the story is obviously true. I swear I can't recall it but it seems so unlikely I would miss 12,000 Londoners dying from killer fog. Did I really never know this or did I know it and forget it?


I've never heard about that either

Ever
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Hydra009 on November 19, 2016, 07:39:54 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 19, 2016, 02:00:21 AMI just had a weird memory experience. I saw an article reporting the cause was finally discovered of a mysterious fog in 1952 that killed 12,000 people in London over five days. My first reaction was that this wasn't a true story. How could such a terrible event have happened and I never heard of it? I looked it up and the story is obviously true. I swear I can't recall it but it seems so unlikely I would miss 12,000 Londoners dying from killer fog. Did I really never know this or did I know it and forget it?
Yeah, I just heard about that a few days ago and I'm pretty well read on disasters.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 19, 2016, 02:00:21 AM
I just had a weird memory experience. I saw an article reporting the cause was finally discovered of a mysterious fog in 1952 that killed 12,000 people in London over five days. My first reaction was that this wasn't a true story. How could such a terrible event have happened and I never heard of it? I looked it up and the story is obviously true. I swear I can't recall it but it seems so unlikely I would miss 12,000 Londoners dying from killer fog. Did I really never know this or did I know it and forget it?

Were you there at that time?  I don't remember details from the Eisenhower administration, thought I was alive then.  My earliest definite historical memory is the Kennedy assassination.  I did hear about on the Internet, about the killer fog in London, probably not more than 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: chill98 on November 19, 2016, 08:45:58 AM
Quote from: SGOS on November 19, 2016, 12:58:39 AM
This thread jars something else from memory.  I remember many years ago wrestling with something I was writing about Oscar Mayer Wieners.  ... I remember the experience as intellectually painful, but milder than that.  ...Spelling it "Mayer" just became wrong in my mind, so my brain changed it and stored it for me the way I wanted it.

The Oscar Mayer mindgame is a pre-internet memory for me - this one I learned (and forgot) many years ago.  Several others I had been aware of, such as the ford curly in the logo, volvo, froot loops but can't recall the source.

A simple example on the fallibility of eye-witness testimony.  I still file Mayer as Meyer and Froot as Fruit.  Oh, I will be good for a while now that I have been reminded - but it won't take long for a mental defrag to rename these files once again.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: FaithIsFilth on November 19, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
I thought it was Berenstein too. I went back and listened to the theme song for the show and Dolly Parton pronounced it first as Berenstein and then correctly as Berenstain later in the song. That's probably partly why I remember it wrong.

Here is proof that the Mandela effect is real though  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qb8Ai273wI  (jk but still pretty weird).

Mandella effect is a fun idea but pretty silly.
Title: Re: Oh MY GOD I"M going crazy!
Post by: FaithIsFilth on November 19, 2016, 01:08:30 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 18, 2016, 03:03:10 PM
I don't care what sounds better. If you're gonna go by that then what about looney tunes? It makes more sense if it's looney toons as in cartoons,. Looney tunes as in music doesn't make sense now does it? There's something to this like it or not.
Probably remembering Tiny Toons? Looney Tunes was given that name because the main focus was the tunes AKA music.

From wikipedia - 'Drawing inspiration for its name from Walt Disney's then-concurrent musical series Silly Symphonies, Looney Tunes initially showcased Warner-owned musical compositions through the adventures of cartoon characters such as Bosko and Buddy. '