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Title: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Rob4you on November 11, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Hello everyone, I've been absent for a while, but after last Tuesday, I couldn't avoid remembering you guys.  The new president of USA, Donald Trump has said and done highly controversial things, I just hope that all that is just part of his campaign and not his true self, you now like putting on an act.  I certainly was surprised when I heard some of the things that he said, but I was even more dumbfounded when he got the position of republican candidate, then not much when he won the election, but still I hoped that the people of USA would not really choose a man like him, and yet... *sigh* Well, let's just hope that it turns out right in the end, for you and for us in the rest of the world...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 11, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
As a non-american, it's hilarious in a sad, discomforting, twilight-zone'esque, deeply horrifying, sickening, scary way.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 11, 2016, 04:32:30 PM
I'll just copy and paste what I put on Facebook.

My thoughts on the election:
- The great thing about democracy is that people get to choose who they want to represent them. Out of dozens of initial presidential hopefuls the majority of voters, through primaries and now Electoral College, decided that Donald Trump was the best candidate to represent their interests and values. Trump doesn’t represent MY interests or values but I recognize that I’m in the minority. Many other people don’t feel either candidate represent their values and have said in dismay “How did we end up with Clinton and Trump?” Easy, you voted for them.
- Or not. Only 29% of Americans voted in the primaries. An estimated 46.6 percent of voters couldn’t be bothered to fulfill even the most basic civic duty and go to the polls for the presidential election. Excuses for not voting are just that, excuses. When voting is a priority you figure out a way to make it happen.
- Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan said today repealing the Affordable Care Act is a high priority. Because I work in healthcare I am eager to see the details of new government’s “repeal and replace” plan and if they will be able to provide affordable healthcare to all Americans. I sincerely wish them success.
- Now that the Republicans control the executive, legislative and eventually the judicial branches of the government there seems little preventing them from fulfilling their promise of repealing same-sex marriage and enacting “religious freedom” laws so businesses can deny service to LGBT people. If a business owner doesn’t want my money, fine, but the idea of having my marriage to Leo invalidated is infuriating.
- Then there is the matter of Donald Trump as president. I see nothing in his experience or character that indicates he would be a good leader or distinguished representative of the USA. Still, I am willing to keep an open mind and give him a chance to demonstrate that 25.5% of my fellow Americans voted for him with good reason and intention.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
He'll be the death of the GOP.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 11, 2016, 05:20:12 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
He'll be the death of the GOP.

That would be nice! But there are still too many old 'deplorables' out there. I have a sense that his presidency won't last very long. If he does what he said he will, it's lights out for the US. But first things first. After reversing Roe vs. Wade, building a 3,000 km wall, getting a Jesus freak into the Supreme Court, deporting 11 million Mexicans, Nuking Isis, torturing Rosie O'Donnell, getting Hillary incarcerated, shutting down CNN and the NY Times and getting Intelligent Design into school curriculum, he won't have time to grab all the p*#&^s he can as President.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: aitm on November 11, 2016, 07:03:40 PM
I am not sure yet...so I stuck a carrot up  my butt....rather uncomfortable.....will let you know later....
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 11, 2016, 07:06:30 PM
I don't feel much about him, I feel more about the Americans that believed his behaviour is what befits a president and the Americans who feel vindicated and supported in their bigotry since it's now represented at the highest office.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 11, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
I am deeply mortified, angry and disgusted. It has left me disoriented and feeling betrayed by my fellow countrymen.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 11, 2016, 07:35:59 PM
As an American, I'm scared shitless. I see rights (such as abortion and gay marriage) being stripped away, the economy falling into ruin, 80 years of progress (all the way back to Social Security) being undone, brutal racism becoming the norm, wars starting, and dictatorship (the ultimate goal of the Republican Party) replacing democracy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 11, 2016, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
He'll be the death of the GOP.
I hope you're right. I would rather have killed the GOP by a Hillary landslide, though.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 11, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
Donald Trump is a seventy-year-old man-child, with no filter with which to stop his explosive mouth diarrhea from constantly spewing out. His morality is as bankrupt as his businesses, and he acts like an uncultured buffoon. I am appalled that the American people would even consider an idiot like him to join the ranks of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. I expect that he will do everything in his power to set this country back 20 years or more, and have little doubt that he will go down in history as the worst President in US history.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 07:47:55 PM
Quote from: Atheon on November 11, 2016, 07:37:06 PM
I hope you're right. I would rather have killed the GOP by a Hillary landslide, though.
They would just claim they were robbed. This way they have to suffer until they understand the system they've created just ... won't ... work.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: trdsf on November 11, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
I may be white and middle-aged, but I'm also a gay atheist, so I'm not in the *least* looking forward to the next four years (or however long it takes for him to do something so appalling even the GOP decides to impeach him... unfortunately, Pence is a homophobic  sack of shit so he's not going to be an improvement).

For the moment, I'm actually ashamed to be an American.  My country is supposed to be better than this.  And the next Trumpie who tells me that "Oh, he can't really believe all those horrible things he said" gets punched because they will also turn around and complain that Hillary "always lies".  So they went and voted for someone on the *hope* he was lying?  Fuck.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 11, 2016, 10:11:04 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 11, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
As a non-american, it's hilarious in a sad, discomforting, twilight-zone'esque, deeply horrifying, sickening, scary way.
And as an American, it is the same.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 12, 2016, 01:32:13 AM
Imagine for a second if Sarah Palin were President.  Now strip away her political experience and give her even more outrageous quotes.  We're talking repugnant to the point that big names in the Republican Party have openly criticized her.  Now imagine she gets to name not only a Cabinet but also at least one Supreme Court justice.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 12, 2016, 03:35:37 AM
I feel like urinating on his head and then taking a dump in his mouth. That would give me satisfaction.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 12, 2016, 08:50:47 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 12, 2016, 01:32:13 AM
Imagine for a second if Sarah Palin were President.  Now strip away her political experience and give her even more outrageous quotes.  We're talking repugnant to the point that big names in the Republican Party have openly criticized her.  Now imagine she gets to name not only a Cabinet but also at least one Supreme Court justice.
The one thing, and ONLY one thing, that Trump has going for him is that he's not an uber Christian lunatic. For that, I am grateful.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 12, 2016, 09:06:24 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 12, 2016, 08:50:47 AM
The one thing, and ONLY one thing, that Trump has going for him is that he's not an uber Christian lunatic. For that, I am grateful.

Until that 'being an uber Christian lunatic' proves to earn big money and help him stay in power. That man has no values, no principles. He doesn't believe anything but himself and the profit he can get for himself. He'll shape into anything to stay there, he doesn't have to hold the fanatic view himself.

From this angle, actually we would know where we stand with a religious freak and America has experience to fight with that. It's old news. 

It's not just Trump who has no experience in directing a country, it is also American people have no experience with being directed by a man like Trump which translates to a scale of uncertainity and fear the country has never lived through before, esp. because now this is happening after Obama. From economy to social life, basic domestic issues first everything will be in a dark, uncertain atmosphere.

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 12, 2016, 09:12:09 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 12, 2016, 09:06:24 AM
Until that 'being an uber Christian lunatic' proves to earn big money and help him stay in power. That man has no values, no principles. He doesn't believe anything but himself and the profit he can get for himself. He'll shape into anything to stay there, he doesn't have to hold the fanatic view himself.

From this angle, actually we would know where we stand with a religious freak and America has experience to fight with that. It's old news. 

It's not just Trump who has no experience in directing a country, it is also American people have no experience with being directed by a man like Trump which translates to a scale of uncertainity and fear the country has never lived through before, esp. because now this is happening after Obama. From economy to social life, basic domestic issues first everything will be in a dark, uncertain atmosphere.


You don't have to tell me. I am absolutely appalled.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 12, 2016, 09:28:24 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 12, 2016, 08:50:47 AMThe one thing, and ONLY one thing, that Trump has going for him is that he's not an uber Christian lunatic. For that, I am grateful.
Yeah, but a lot of the people he's going to sweep into power will be.  And then we can kiss much of the progress that has been made in the last 8 years goodbye.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 12, 2016, 09:34:27 AM
Yup. Instead of draining the swamp, he's filling it with sewage from the worst dregs of the Republican rogues gallery.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 12, 2016, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 12, 2016, 03:35:37 AM
I feel like urinating on his head and then taking a dump in his mouth. That would give me satisfaction.

That is very Pussy Riot of you ... and Mr Putin, a real leader, doesn't like that!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:15:22 AM
It is the people who voted for him that I worry about more.  Trump will be gone soon.  They will remain.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:17:10 AM
It is is not Trump I worry about so much.  It is his supporters.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 13, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:17:10 AM
It is is not Trump I worry about so much.  It is his supporters.

Check out this blog post: https://www.allthink.com/1902322

I've started following James A. Lindsay but I haven't read his books yet.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:45:57 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 13, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
Check out this blog post: https://www.allthink.com/1902322

I've started following James A. Lindsay but I haven't read his books yet.

Tell us a reason to click the link.  If you can't say why, I'm not going to bother.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 13, 2016, 04:48:23 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:45:57 AM
Tell us a reason to click the link.  If you can't say why, I'm not going to bother.

It discusses how conservatives are generally good people and progressive liberalism has been moving too fast for their sensibilities to keep up, creating the pendulum swing that has resulted in Trump. It is an appeal for progressives look from the social conservative perspective.

... Social conservatives have been put under tremendous pressure to accept an awful lot of progressive social upheaval very quickly. As social psychologist Jonathan Haidt has pointed out, the Civil Rights movement was merely 50 years ago; the Gay Rights movement began just 20 years ago and is reaching its successful conclusion now; and, in just the last 3 years, most Americans have gone from almost complete unawareness of transgendered individuals to their identity politics being one of the most contested cultural and political battlegrounds in the nation. That's fast. (For comparison, it took the US from its time as a collection of British colonies until 1863, almost 250 years, just to end slavery and another 90 years to initiate a real effort for civil rights, and it needed nearly 300 years to give women the vote and another 70 to embrace the notion of women's equal employment outside of the home.)

Progressives often insist that there is great moral force in the fact that marginalized and oppressed communities cannot psychologically bear the oppression, and they're right. Social progressives seem simultaneously completely unconcerned that conservatives may face similar psychological difficulty with accepting change more quickly than they are able. Because of the difference in civil liberties at hand, I don't mean to suggest that there is complete parity between these circumstances; there's not. Still, demanding that one group deal with more than they can bear at the behest of the rights of another is precisely what makes identity politics so divisive, and the blade cuts both ways. ...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 13, 2016, 05:34:37 AM
Trump is a greaseball businessman who only cares for profit, that concerns me less then what his right hand evil VP represents, and the thought that someone like that could control america with just one bullet to trumps fat head.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 13, 2016, 07:34:47 AM
(http://rationalia.com/z/help1.gif)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 13, 2016, 07:39:17 AM
I hate to say it, but I've been feeling somewhat suicidal lately.  Usually I cope pretty well with the feelings, but this week has been a real test.  My sisters kids and grandkids have been assaulted in Texas.
In SC things haven't really changed much that I've noticed yet.
I think this administration is going to crash and burn, but sadly take most of us with them into poverty and war. Time will tell, but I'm not entirely sure I'll be around for all of it. If I don't start getting some sleep I'll be a basket case in no time. I just lay awake with a sense of dread 24/7. I want to ignore it, but I can't. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 09:35:30 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
He'll be the death of the GOP.

Optimist ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 12, 2016, 08:50:47 AM
The one thing, and ONLY one thing, that Trump has going for him is that he's not an uber Christian lunatic. For that, I am grateful.

President Pence is waiting in the wings ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 13, 2016, 03:15:22 AM
It is the people who voted for him that I worry about more.  Trump will be gone soon.  They will remain.

They have been around, since before the US Civil War.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 13, 2016, 09:44:40 AM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 13, 2016, 07:39:17 AM
I just lay awake with a sense of dread 24/7. I want to ignore it, but I can't. 

Push it out of your mind.  When it creeps back in, push it out again.  When it gets to the point that it seems it will never go away, push it out again, and again, and again.  This works for me, and I have actually gotten better with it with time.  Eventually, it goes away.  There is nothing helpful in dwelling in that place.

And the kicker is that things could be worse.  The corollary of that is that things are never as bad as they seem.  Sometimes it seems like they are.  But you can't solve these problems.  You can only ignore them.

I've often wondered if this isn't training ourselves to repress feelings and memories, which is seldom looked as healthy in the world of psychology.  I've decided I don't care.  Not one person among us is without psychological defense mechanisms.  As stupid and shallow as they are, those mechanisms exist as an alternative to insanity.  Choose repression in an emergency.  It's really no different than obsession or rationalization, or all the rest of the stuff we fool our minds with.

Or as the song says, "Don't worry.  Be happy."  That little song was much more than just a playful tune. My God!  It's more like a personal message from the Dalai Lama.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 13, 2016, 09:55:47 AM
I'm just glad I'm not living in the US right now. I am still scared. Nothing Trump has done so far has reassured me this won't lead to the US becoming a fascist dictatorship. These aren't Reagan Republicans or even George W. Bush Republicans. These are alt-right and the Religious Right. They care nothing for the Constitution, and have all the checks and balances on their side.

America is in deep trouble, and I don't know what to do.

The funny thing is that I saw this coming since I was in high school. I saw this frightening tendency - the desire for dictatorship and a hatred for freedom - in the Republicans even back in the Reagan years. This is (one main reason) why I have always been vehemently opposed to the Republican Party.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 13, 2016, 09:55:47 AM
I'm just glad I'm not living in the US right now. I am still scared. Nothing Trump has done so far has reassured me this won't lead to the US becoming a fascist dictatorship. These aren't Reagan Republicans or even George W. Bush Republicans. These are alt-right and the Religious Right. They care nothing for the Constitution, and have all the checks and balances on their side.

America is in deep trouble, and I don't know what to do.

Get another citizenship, seriously.  For your own health and sanity (see Canada).  The US needs a Holocaust ... just to show that we aren't that exceptional or un-German ... we need to be taken down a rung or two.  Russia and China are the future.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jack89 on November 13, 2016, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 13, 2016, 03:42:24 AM
Check out this blog post: https://www.allthink.com/1902322

I've started following James A. Lindsay but I haven't read his books yet.
Excellent article. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 13, 2016, 10:59:52 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 09:58:32 AM
Get another citizenship, seriously.  For your own health and sanity (see Canada).  The US needs a Holocaust ... just to show that we aren't that exceptional or un-German ... we need to be taken down a rung or two.  Russia and China are the future.

Yep, the system needs to be flushed and renewed. Not to be condescending but it seems the election of Trump might be a sign of the degeneration of values and ethics. Besides that, if you look at the statistics of US rates of asthma, autism, diabetes, ADHD, arthritis and such, they are doubling and tripling in the last 30 years only! Is this a ticking time bomb also? Is the US on the way out politically, economically and degenerating at the same time?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 01:17:02 PM
Quote from: reasonist on November 13, 2016, 10:59:52 AM
Yep, the system needs to be flushed and renewed. Not to be condescending but it seems the election of Trump might be a sign of the degeneration of values and ethics. Besides that, if you look at the statistics of US rates of asthma, autism, diabetes, ADHD, arthritis and such, they are doubling and tripling in the last 30 years only! Is this a ticking time bomb also? Is the US on the way out politically, economically and degenerating at the same time?

Yes.  But not because I am a conservative (I am centrist) and not because of gays (I am pro-gay).  Corruption knows no skin color, no class, no sexuality.  As Livy proposed about the Roman Republic becoming the Roman Empire ... it is the corruption, stupid!  The Roman Republic was too successful 146-30 BCE.  The US has been too successful 1945-2061?  Or a little shorter ... it is an American Century myth, but which start date?  From the start of the First Punic War to the end of the Third Punic War ... Rome had an existential threat, so they had to get real or die (264 - 146 BCE).  The expansion of Rome from then until the end of the Republic ... was pretty much inevitable, given that they had no serious enemies (other than Persia, but Persia could never give a knock-out blow, even until the time of the Arab Conquest, it was a permanent war for Rome like the PNAC).  The have-nots on the rest of the periphery who wanted to be Roman (for all the wrong reasons) ... were a constant threat.  Roman imperial history was a self contradiction (like the Soviet Union) ... which can continue for a long time on inertia ... but the Soviet Union, had a constant threat of China and Nato, neither of which were an existential challenge, but kept eating up resources.  The Soviet Union failed as much to internal corruption as internal contradiction.  Military intervention in civilian affairs, military expenses, and monetary failure were fatal.

As Livy would also say ... the rot starts from the top, with the ruling class.  You can see this since Eisenhower's administration and the growth of the MIC and financial shenanigans since 1971 (going off the gold standard).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 13, 2016, 10:40:55 PM
Sam Harris describes Trump "The Most Powerful Clown" taking office from Obama. Starts at 25:30.

https://soundcloud.com/samharrisorg/51-the-most-powerful-clown#t=25:30
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 07:07:13 AM
https://youtu.be/TsRxWty5SlI


https://youtu.be/1d9lm-T87AQ




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxIw9SBXgAA6Ktl.jpg)
Title: FFS
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 14, 2016, 07:52:30 AM
How does one fund a protest? What did he do, pay everyone one by one to gather and get out to protest and act like they hated the result of the election? If people agree and joined in how is that fake?

Of course advocacy groups will organise them. All protests get organised, otherwise you have violent riots but nothing else.

Yes, pr. Because Americans looooved the government and they didn't have any anti- sentiments before Turmp, right?

Oh yeah and nonwhite people had nothing to fear or even feel bad to protest if it wasn't for Soros' push.

These protests are NOT real, guys. It's the first phase of a conspiracy to take over the United States government.

Holy fucking' Carlin!







Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 08:48:41 AM
George Soros is starting to organize his 2017 destructive campaign (riots) for the Netherlands.
Be prepared, in case Geert Wilders is going to win the elections in March.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxJ8fj8W8AE7ix7.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 14, 2016, 09:46:48 AM
Yeah the scribbling has worked very good. Nobody has an idea how to reach to the Gender Concern International; genderconcerns.org about what now. Please share that in all the social media accounts you have. People should learn the truth.

Please don't forget to add the following detail from the notice to take attention better. Young people 'who are highly motivated to be part of this initiative for change' GO FOR genderconcerns.com.

I support you % 100. I bet a few guests interested in the protests will even see that here. Let's repeat the post.

Quote from: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 08:48:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxJ8fj8W8AE7ix7.jpg)

:lol:
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 09:59:17 AM
https://youtu.be/FkKWqlBJsU0
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 14, 2016, 10:08:05 AM
Hahahahah! Because Soros is behind eeeeeverything. Alex Jones sez so.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 14, 2016, 11:26:09 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 14, 2016, 10:08:05 AM
Hahahahah! Because Soros is behind eeeeeverything. Alex Jones sez so.
That would be funnier if Alex Jones wasn't a distinguished friend of the incoming administration.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Youssuf Ramadan on November 14, 2016, 11:46:13 AM
As a Brit, I was hoping this was a The Onion sketch that got out of hand....
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
The world is watching the terrible trainwreck America has become.
Is this how democracy should work?

Are you out of your collective minds?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 14, 2016, 12:50:30 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
The world is watching the terrible trainwreck America has become.
Is this how democracy should work?

Are you out of your collective minds?

You were wrong to expect anything good from rebellious commoners ;-)
Title: Re: FFS
Post by: Baruch on November 14, 2016, 12:52:19 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 14, 2016, 07:52:30 AM
How does one fund a protest? What did he do, pay everyone one by one to gather and get out to protest and act like they hated the result of the election? If people agree and joined in how is that fake?

Of course advocacy groups will organise them. All protests get organised, otherwise you have violent riots but nothing else.

Yes, pr. Because Americans looooved the government and they didn't have any anti- sentiments before Turmp, right?

Oh yeah and nonwhite people had nothing to fear or even feel bad to protest if it wasn't for Soros' push.

These protests are NOT real, guys. It's the first phase of a conspiracy to take over the United States government.

Holy fucking' Carlin!

Every hear of Mossadeq?  This is standard CIA practice.  But will the FBI and DoD let them get away with it?

The EU was originally a conspiracy of Charles DeGaulle ... but he is dead ... how long for the EU to die?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: FaithIsFilth on November 14, 2016, 01:05:11 PM
Quote from: Atheon on November 14, 2016, 10:08:05 AM
Wikileaks sez so.
Fixed.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 14, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
The world is watching the terrible trainwreck America has become.
Is this how democracy should work?

Are you out of your collective minds?


Out of all the countries in the world, Britain is the absolute last one that should cast that first stone.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: widdershins on November 14, 2016, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on November 11, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
As a non-american, it's hilarious in a sad, discomforting, twilight-zone'esque, deeply horrifying, sickening, scary way.
"Hilarious" is how I may describe it in 10 or 20 years.  The hilarity of it is more one of those "looking back" kind of situations.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on November 14, 2016, 05:20:39 PM
Quote from: widdershins on November 14, 2016, 05:13:44 PM
"Hilarious" is how I may describe it in 10 or 20 years.  The hilarity of it is more one of those "looking back" kind of situations.

"The shit closest to home..." I guess.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 14, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 14, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
The world is watching the terrible trainwreck America has become.
Is this how democracy should work?

Are you out of your collective minds?
Yeah--pretty much. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 15, 2016, 01:42:00 AM
Those were the days my friend, we thought they'll never end... (Mary Hopkins)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-ot_vChlU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjC6MXSWi0
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 02:56:42 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 14, 2016, 05:57:38 PM
Yeah--pretty much. 
Yes.

But I'm not. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general. The maximally sane strategy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 15, 2016, 03:06:30 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on November 14, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
Out of all the countries in the world, Britain is the absolute last one that should cast that first stone.

LOL I was about to write something like that.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2016, 06:09:33 AM
England is the Mother, America is the Father ... and Nato are their rebellious children.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 15, 2016, 06:44:40 AM
I have a theory how the game was lost.

The Hill allowed Trump to run to the very end because they assumed that Trump has a snowballs chance in hell getting elected.

The same reason that McCain and later Romney was allowed to be nominated. Because they wanted Obama. It worked on both those occasions.

This time the  inconceivable happened, the people chose Trump not because he is better qualified, but because most Americans had enough of the Democratic party, the lies, the corruption, the misrule.

The shock was  devastating. They just simply could not accept the people's choices.

Since the results all sort of "RentaMob " mobilized to create as much mayhem as possible all over the states.

The President and his mob looks on, rubbing their hands in glee, and not trying to stop it.
So much for the Democrats democracy.

All those "safe place" snowflakes are out rioting, destroying property, beating up people.
For $15 per hour, and free Bus rides wherever they needed.

Good luck America, you need it.


Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 15, 2016, 06:53:27 AM
You are a genius, honey. Everyone is speechless.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 15, 2016, 07:22:33 AM
It's on youtube, so it must be true.





Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 15, 2016, 07:54:20 AM
QuoteRussia and China are the future.
Which is what makes me wonder if the democratic party is ripe for a takeover by external forces such as the Chinese Communists or another bunch.. I'm not particularly predicting it, but there could be a case made that the rise of trump could push people from the left into their laps..
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 15, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
Quote from: pr126 on November 15, 2016, 06:44:40 AM
I have a theory how the game was lost.

The Hill allowed Trump to run to the very end because they assumed that Trump has a snowballs chance in hell getting elected.

The same reason that McCain and later Romney was allowed to be nominated. Because they wanted Obama. It worked on both those occasions.

This time the  inconceivable happened, the people chose Trump not because he is better qualified, but because most Americans had enough of the Democratic party, the lies, the corruption, the misrule.

The shock was  devastating. They just simply could not accept the people's choices.

Since the results all sort of "RentaMob " mobilized to create as much mayhem as possible all over the states.

The President and his mob looks on, rubbing their hands in glee, and not trying to stop it.
So much for the Democrats democracy.

All those "safe place" snowflakes are out rioting, destroying property, beating up people.
For $15 per hour, and free Bus rides wherever they needed.

Good luck America, you need it.



No, the right wing has had a relentless campaign of smear tactics against anyone from the left for many years and the majority of the news media, especially television is controlled by right wing ideologs. They were able to give trump almost endless free publicity and by the time anyone realized the shit storm he was bringing it was too late. It gets to the point sometimes where even bad publicity is good publicity. His name was kept in front of the public 24/7. So much for the idea of a free and independent press. That idea died a very long time ago.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 08:14:06 AM
America has put a gun to its temple and pulled the trigger. Dictatorship is coming, mark my words. If dictatorship doesn't come by the time Trump's term(s) is(are) over, America will be badly weakened. America, basically, is toast. Hillary was our last, best chance.

The only satisfaction I have is that I was not complicit.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 15, 2016, 08:22:50 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 02:56:42 AMI voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general. The maximally sane strategy.
Same here.  I'm amazed that this strategy wasn't more popular.  I follow a bunch of people on Youtube and there are lots of election reactions - but only a few of them voted that way or voted at all.  Many disliked Clinton as much as Trump and went third party or stayed home.  Some even supported Trump.  In the near future, we're going to see just how wise those strategies were.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 15, 2016, 09:11:13 AM
All the whining about the 'tyranny of Obama' over the past 8 years is going to feel like grandma kissing us on our collective cheeks when its all said and done. The idiots who thought HRC and Obama were the tyrants are in for a very rude shock. While people might be fine watching 1000s of Muslims getting deported i wonder how they're going to feel when half or more of their immediate families are locked away or just vanish in the middle of the night never to be seen or heard from again.   
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 15, 2016, 09:14:17 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 15, 2016, 08:22:50 AM
Same here.  I'm amazed that this strategy wasn't more popular.  I follow a bunch of people on Youtube and there are lots of election reactions - but only a few of them voted that way or voted at all.  Many disliked Clinton as much as Trump and went third party or stayed home.  Some even supported Trump.  In the near future, we're going to see just how wise those strategies were.
I'm not sure voting Bernie in the primary and Clinton in the general was so much a strategy as dog chasing tail..
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 15, 2016, 10:27:31 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 02:56:42 AM
Yes.

But I'm not. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general. The maximally sane strategy.
That's what I did.  But right now I need to get over my feeling of dread.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 15, 2016, 10:36:59 AM
OK, after the temper tanrums, hissy fits, riots, destruction, what is the next step?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 15, 2016, 10:38:15 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 02:56:42 AM
Yes.

But I'm not. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and Hillary in the general. The maximally sane strategy.

Me too. My husband was as appalled at my voting for Sanders as I was at him voting for Trump. Fortunately he changed his mind and voted for Hillary in the presidential election.

https://youtu.be/jyoQpLVrhGI
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 15, 2016, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: pr126 on November 15, 2016, 10:36:59 AM
OK, after the temper tanrums, hissy fits, riots, destruction, what is the next step?


Here is a suggestion.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/how-the-loyal-opposition-will-work-in-trumps-america.html
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 15, 2016, 10:49:50 AM
I predicted elsewhere that there would be an asterisk by the years 2001-2008 with a footnote "President's office vacant." I suspect that will come around again.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2016, 12:48:55 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 15, 2016, 10:49:50 AM
I predicted elsewhere that there would be an asterisk by the years 2001-2008 with a footnote "President's office vacant." I suspect that will come around again.

If President Trump makes Trump Towers into the new San Clemente ... then yes, he won't be in that office very often.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2016, 12:50:52 PM
Quote from: Atheon on November 15, 2016, 08:14:06 AM
America has put a gun to its temple and pulled the trigger. Dictatorship is coming, mark my words. If dictatorship doesn't come by the time Trump's term(s) is(are) over, America will be badly weakened. America, basically, is toast. Hillary was our last, best chance.

The only satisfaction I have is that I was not complicit.

You could have always made Obama dictator ;-)  Who needs elections?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 15, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Okay, I didn't see this one coming. Carson thought he was qualified to be president but not take a position in government?

Ben Carson declines role in Trump administration because he 'feels he has no government experience'

http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-donald-trump-administration-2016-11
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 15, 2016, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 15, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Okay, I didn't see this one coming. Carson thought he was qualified to be president but not take a position in government?

Ben Carson declines role in Trump administration because he 'feels he has no government experience'

http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-donald-trump-administration-2016-11
Wasn't there a election primary scandal that Carson endorsed Trump in exchange for a seat in his administration?  Seems like he could've faced some tough questions if he had taken a spot.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 15, 2016, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Rob4you on November 11, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Hello everyone, I've been absent for a while, but after last Tuesday, I couldn't avoid remembering you guys.  The new president of USA, Donald Trump has said and done highly controversial things, I just hope that all that is just part of his campaign and not his true self, you now like putting on an act.  I certainly was surprised when I heard some of the things that he said, but I was even more dumbfounded when he got the position of republican candidate, then not much when he won the election, but still I hoped that the people of USA would not really choose a man like him, and yet... *sigh* Well, let's just hope that it turns out right in the end, for you and for us in the rest of the world...

The "people of America" didn't choose a man like him. He was picked long ago by the billionaires, and I think he must have known the fix was in. I doubt he would've said such outrageous things unless he knew the fix was in, and that he was the billionaires\'s choice. He knew he could do or say anything at all and still "win."

Clinton apparently got about 2 million more votes than Chump (which I'll continue to call him until he's out of office, or until they execute me for it), and yet he's going to occupy the Oval Office. Interesting how this is only the second time since the 1800s that this has happened, and both times a Republican was installed. Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 15, 2016, 06:03:44 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 15, 2016, 03:36:05 PM
Okay, I didn't see this one coming. Carson thought he was qualified to be president but not take a position in government?

Ben Carson declines role in Trump administration because he 'feels he has no government experience'

http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-donald-trump-administration-2016-11

Who cares about Carson's experience? Look at who he'd be working for.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 15, 2016, 06:11:36 PM
Yeah, Chump has only triple Xperience...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 15, 2016, 04:04:42 PM
Wasn't there a election primary scandal that Carson endorsed Trump in exchange for a seat in his administration?  Seems like he could've faced some tough questions if he had taken a spot.

That wouldn't be a scandal, that would be normal politics ... how do you think Hillary became SoS?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 16, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
I wonder how much did it cost to the parents for a college to indoctrinate - sorry, I mean educate the millennials  to become loyal democrat voters?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 16, 2016, 10:22:49 AM
The great satan of higher education strikes again.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 16, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
I wonder how much did it cost to the parents for a college to indoctrinate - sorry, I mean educate the millennials  to become loyal democrat voters?

Well, this was a long time in coming.  The Marxist rats have been in the Academy since the 60s.  So really they have had 2 generations of authority over education.  Mostly goes under the title of Neo-lib rather than Trotsky-ite.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 16, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
Small consolation, but when Trump voters kids have all been dragged off to ego driven wars, their life savings (if they ever had any to begin with) are all gone, homes taken by foreclosure vultures and the price of gasoline over $6 a gallon, etc and so on they can't go complaining that they weren't warned ahead of time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 16, 2016, 05:00:12 PM
Wanna bet?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2016, 07:29:42 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 16, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
Small consolation, but when Trump voters kids have all been dragged off to ego driven wars, their life savings (if they ever had any to begin with) are all gone, homes taken by foreclosure vultures and the price of gasoline over $6 a gallon, etc and so on they can't go complaining that they weren't warned ahead of time.

Will happen, no matter who you vote for.  There is no escaping Dr Death.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 16, 2016, 05:00:12 PM
Wanna bet?

Never bet, never bluff ... just do what needs to be done!

I bet you nobody will help that little old lady to cross the street.

I will help that little old lady to cross the street, if you don't.

Help the little old lady to cross the street, already!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 17, 2016, 03:41:56 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 15, 2016, 06:03:44 PM
Who cares about Carson's experience? Look at who he'd be working for.

He and his kind think the Presidency is like Kingship.  Just making Grand Decisions.  Lesser jobs are way too detailed for such grand minds.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 18, 2016, 04:49:24 PM
Trump won because apparently enough people in our country are drooling idiots. Americans are not who I thought we were. I was giving us far too much credit.

Now we have him appointing white nationalists to his cabinet.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 18, 2016, 05:58:29 PM
Yeah, he's not exactly draining the Swamp - he's fouling it even more than it already was!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 18, 2016, 06:43:22 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2016, 04:49:24 PMTrump won because apparently enough people in our country are drooling idiots. Americans are not who I thought we were. I was giving us far too much credit.
That's been my experience as well.  I thought that American society had progressed more than it actually has.  Maybe this is just a hiccup on the road rather than a full-fledged reversal.  One can hope.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 18, 2016, 07:16:25 PM
I guess The Donald-in-Chief thought "drain the swamp" meant taking away Hawkeye's still...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 18, 2016, 07:57:55 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 18, 2016, 05:58:29 PM
Yeah, he's not exactly draining the Swamp - he's fouling it even more than it already was!

Would you rather have former contestants on The Apprentice instead ;-)  I would prefer contestants from Dating Naked ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 18, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2016, 04:49:24 PM
Trump won because apparently enough people in our country are drooling idiots. Americans are not who I thought we were. I was giving us far too much credit.

Now we have him appointing white nationalists to his cabinet.

Complacency is not your friend.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 19, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 18, 2016, 04:49:24 PM
Trump won because apparently enough people in our country are drooling idiots. Americans are not who I thought we were. I was giving us far too much credit.

Now we have him appointing white nationalists to his cabinet.

Yeah. I've heard people try to explain Trump's victory in a lot of different ways, but most of the answers give Americans too much credit, I think. He won the Presidency for the same reason he won the Republican primaries. It's because most voters are idiots. They believed Trump's lies, they believed the bologna that Fox News spread about Hillary, and they voted for the person who was most recognizable due to constant media attention. Hell, even if people didn't trust Hillary, they didn't have to vote straight ticket Republican to keep her out. They could have elected Trump but Democrat the rest of the way. But they didn't think through the consequences of their actions, and now we have Republicans in control of all three branches of government.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 20, 2016, 12:50:31 AM
I usually vote against incumbents, but I voted against every D I saw on the ballot, because the DNC did such a great job shoehorning Hillary thru the process ... so any D other than Hillary that I voted against, are collateral damage to wanting to destroy the DNC.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 20, 2016, 05:40:49 AM
From BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) to TDS?

Pace it out guys, you have 4 years to go yet. Easy there.



Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 05:44:05 AM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 16, 2016, 01:17:56 PM
Small consolation, but when Trump voters kids have all been dragged off to ego driven wars, their life savings (if they ever had any to begin with) are all gone, homes taken by foreclosure vultures and the price of gasoline over $6 a gallon, etc and so on they can't go complaining that they weren't warned ahead of time.

Obama did it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 05:49:06 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 19, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
Yeah. I've heard people try to explain Trump's victory in a lot of different ways, but most of the answers give Americans too much credit, I think. He won the Presidency for the same reason he won the Republican primaries. It's because most voters are idiots. They believed Trump's lies, they believed the bologna that Fox News spread about Hillary, and they voted for the person who was most recognizable due to constant media attention. Hell, even if people didn't trust Hillary, they didn't have to vote straight ticket Republican to keep her out. They could have elected Trump but Democrat the rest of the way. But they didn't think through the consequences of their actions, and now we have Republicans in control of all three branches of government.

When I watched the election returns turn with greater and greater certainty towards a Trump victory, one of the panelists pointed out that such a big turnout for Trump would destroy any possibility of the Dems winning the Senate.  I had to think about that for awhile.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 05:55:22 AM
Quote from: pr126 on November 20, 2016, 05:40:49 AM
From BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) to TDS?

Pace it out guys, you have 4 years to go yet. Easy there.


The grief period is running it's course throughout the country, and people ARE settling in.  It actually seems evident in the forum too.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 20, 2016, 07:54:33 AM
Grief period?  HRC is still alive, I think.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 08:41:57 AM
Quote from: pr126 on November 20, 2016, 07:54:33 AM
Grief period?  HRC is still alive, I think.

Grief is not only about death.  In discussion with Democrats, many have described their emotions over the election as losing a relative or their dog.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 20, 2016, 09:16:00 AM
Quote from: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 08:41:57 AM
Grief is not only about death.  In discussion with Democrats, many have described their emotions over the election as losing a relative or their dog.
True.  But I do see Trump winning as a death; the death of the last vestige of respect for the average American and that whatever shred of values this country held is now gone, dead. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
I think people voted for him because he's not a politician and they are sick and tired of politicians since all they do is lie and protect their selves. It probably has more to do with that and far less to do with supporting his views. All though I'm sure many people do share his views just not that many.

As far as what I think, I think he's a large piece of SH!T. But at the very least I will be amused at how the politicians scramble to control this idiot.


I've heard people say america can't get much worse but they'll be in for a shock when it does I'm sure. Actually I'm waiting to go homeless. I'm picking out my bridge to live under accept the cop must have cleaned out the well know one. Because all the hobo tents are gone now.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 20, 2016, 10:27:43 AM
Quote from: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
I think people voted for him because he's not a politician and they are sick and tired of politicians since all they do is lie and protect their selves.
How ironic for them that in voting for Trump, they voted for someone who is now a politician, and all he does is lie and protect himself.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 10:38:19 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 20, 2016, 10:27:43 AM
How ironic for them that in voting for Trump, they voted for someone who is now a politician, and all he does is lie and protect himself.

too true too true.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
Quote from: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 09:17:39 AMI think people voted for him because he's not a politician and they are sick and tired of politicians since all they do is lie and protect their selves.

I, for one, am tired of people with experience in their field. Now please excuse me while I go get my wisdom teeth removed by Alex from Target. He's not a dentist, so I know I can trust him.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on November 20, 2016, 11:47:41 AM
Ya'll need a sign:

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/150434662/large.jpg)

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on November 20, 2016, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 11:10:32 AM
I, for one, am tired of people with experience in their field. Now please excuse me while I go get my wisdom teeth removed by Alex from Target. He's not a dentist, so I know I can trust him.

I had my wisdom teeth removed by a dentist.  PoS cracked both molars next to the teeth.  Now they have fallen apart and I will need surgery to remove one of them.  Wish I would have NOT allowed the dentist to remove the teeth.  Maybe if I would have waited until they were a problem, they would have come out easier.

Maybe Alex from Target would have suggested I wait.  He probably isn't more concerned about killing a trophy lion.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 20, 2016, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: chill98 on November 20, 2016, 11:47:41 AM
Ya'll need a sign:

(http://data.whicdn.com/images/150434662/large.jpg)
Yes, we do need a sign.  But it should read--The End Is Upon Us!!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Aletheia on November 20, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
With the path America has been following, I feel that Trump is an accurate representation of America as it currently is. It has more self-confidence than it has skills sets, spends money unwisely, only cares about human rights so long as it is convenient, places more stock in what "feels right" than what is factual, tries to intimidate anyone who doesn't think it's awesome, complains when things don't go its way, often times is rather inappropriate, and uses resources like there's no tomorrow.

*Slow claps*

Bravo America. Bravo.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 20, 2016, 01:23:21 PM
Quote from: Aletheia on November 20, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
With the path America has been following, I feel that Trump is an accurate representation of America as it currently is. It has more self-confidence than it has skills sets, spends money unwisely, only cares about human rights so long as it is convenient, places more stock in what "feels right" than what is factual, tries to intimidate anyone who doesn't think it's awesome, complains when things don't go its way, often times is rather inappropriate, and uses resources like there's no tomorrow.

*Slow claps*

Bravo America. Bravo.
Quoted for truth.

At least people REALLY understand this now. I know I do.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
Quote from: Aletheia on November 20, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
With the path America has been following, I feel that Trump is an accurate representation of America as it currently is. It has more self-confidence than it has skills sets, spends money unwisely, only cares about human rights so long as it is convenient, places more stock in what "feels right" than what is factual, tries to intimidate anyone who doesn't think it's awesome, complains when things don't go its way, often times is rather inappropriate, and uses resources like there's no tomorrow.

*Slow claps*

Bravo America. Bravo.

I agree with you. I didn't say people were smart when they voted for trump or that I agree with their thinking. I just think most people are so fed up, even the religious ones would vote for Satan him self to send  a message. Only to realize later that they miscalculated something very important. Actual I feel like I trust Satan more than trump at this point.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
I agree with you. I didn't say people were smart when they voted for trump or that I agree with their thinking. I just think most people are so fed up, even the religious ones would vote for Satan him self to send  a message. Only to realize later that they miscalculated something very important. Actual I feel like I trust Satan more than trump at this point.

Satan was the first anti-establishment politician. He thought that God's ways were corrupt and that he could've done a better job. Considering how God revealed himself to be in the Bible, perhaps Satan really was the good guy. (At least that's the basis of the plot of a novel I plan to write soon.)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: Aletheia on November 20, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
With the path America has been following, I feel that Trump is an accurate representation of America as it currently is. It has more self-confidence than it has skills sets, spends money unwisely, only cares about human rights so long as it is convenient, places more stock in what "feels right" than what is factual, tries to intimidate anyone who doesn't think it's awesome, complains when things don't go its way, often times is rather inappropriate, and uses resources like there's no tomorrow.

*Slow claps*

Bravo America. Bravo.

Somehow this scene from Portal 2 seems more relevant now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcnpZYmNAuI
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 02:44:11 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 02:37:47 PM
Satan was the first anti-establishment politician. He thought that God's ways were corrupt and that he could've done a better job. Considering how God revealed himself to be in the Bible, perhaps Satan really was the good guy. (At least that's the basis of the plot of a novel I plan to write soon.)

I'll read your book, but prepare to have the catholic church ban it. Which I think actually makes people go out and buy it. So if you're lucky they will ban it.

I've often wondered if Satan isn't the good guy and god the monster. Well we already know christian god is a monster.

Great now I'm following the GlaDOS rabbit whole. I never finished portal 2 because it blew up my computer literally. Then I was to afraid to put it back in the tray.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 02:44:11 PM
I'll read your book, but prepare to have the catholic church ban it. Which I think actually makes people go out and buy it. So if you're lucky they will ban it.

I've often wondered if Satan isn't the good guy and god the monster. Well we already know christian god is a monster.

I'd love for my work to receive enough attention to warrant a ban. I'd consider it a great honor, especially from the Catholic church. But somehow I think that the Pope himself wouldn't take too much issue with a work of fiction.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 02:56:25 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 20, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
I'd love for my work to receive enough attention to warrant a ban. I'd consider it a great honor, especially from the Catholic church. But somehow I think that the Pope himself wouldn't take too much issue with a work of fiction.

Oh really? I guess you've never heard of" http://archive.postdesk.com/banned-books-list-reasons-why-censorship "  Damn it those weren't all banned by the catholic church. Oh well.

Point is they still ban stuff 'cause there dumb asses. I'm sure the pope would care about a book that portrays Satan as a hero and god as the bad guy. There was another book banned for portraying Jesus as a sinner even though it was to prove a point about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins or what ever nonsense. point is if they had read the book they would have realized that it was actually supporting Christianity not the other way around.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 20, 2016, 03:39:23 PM
I have been hesitating to post on this thread a while because I needed to collect my actual feelings on the matter. I think think this election is good, in the long run. I'm not gonna lie, we're gonna get fucked, hard. The economy will tank, people will die, we will have a horrid 4 years. We need to get fucked though, we need to kill the apathy that is like a cancer on this nation. I've seen very respectful people say that politics don't matter. I don't blame them, they have good lives, politics in general hasn't had an effect on them. Maybe when their lives are affected they'll start thinking about politics. Maybe people will wake up. Maybe Trump will make America great again by making America horrible again.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 20, 2016, 03:39:23 PM
I have been hesitating to post on this thread a while because I needed to collect my actual feelings on the matter. I think think this election is good, in the long run. I'm not gonna lie, we're gonna get fucked, hard. The economy will tank, people will die, we will have a horrid 4 years. We need to get fucked though, we need to kill the apathy that is like a cancer on this nation. I've seen very respectful people say that politics don't matter. I don't blame them, they have good lives, politics in general hasn't had an effect on them. Maybe when their lives are affected they'll start thinking about politics. Maybe people will wake up. Maybe Trump will make America great again by making America horrible again.

George Bush already tried that, and things just got worse.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 20, 2016, 03:52:37 PM
Quote from: SGOS on November 20, 2016, 03:45:31 PM
George Bush already tried that, and things just got worse.
We were marginally fucked, we need to get completely fucked for the morons to wake up.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 20, 2016, 05:00:06 PM
So lets weigh up his pros and cons so far.

Pros:
- He's kind of honest and doesn't sugar coat what he says

Cons:
- He's extremely thinned skinned and reacts to any critisim with no level of tact
- He's also incredibly impulsive, making his thin skin even more of an issue
- He's recruited some of the most backwards candidates for his party, some worse then he is
- He may or may not be racist, homophobic and your typical church supporting fascist, but he flops around the issue
- Money is his only goal, but he's gone bankrupt twice with his own business.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 20, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
oh, just for something else.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/15036163_10101486530867284_8351507748611654957_n.jpg?oh=3cc75ac063c5e83595f661bdeb6e85bd&oe=58B6CB80)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 20, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VYo8mxGGUQ

Oh man, this theater stuff is a veritable gold mine of hypocrisy.  This guy isn't even in office yet and he's already messing up.

And to think, I thought the left-wing SJWs would screw us up when actually the most brittle crybaby to ever take to social media is none other than President Trump.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 20, 2016, 07:33:22 PM
This gives me some level of hope, in that it perhaps, in his greed and want for power, being president is going to break donald trump. Of course, that would, again, put the emotionless slug creature wearing human skin mike pence as leader if that happened, and trump will run americas economy into the ground, but maybe then all those cunts who voted for him will learn a lesson.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 20, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
I despise TAA's style with a passion, but I did get just the very slightest of enjoyment of him rant about this.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 20, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 20, 2016, 03:52:37 PM
We were marginally fucked, we need to get completely fucked for the morons to wake up.

This is like a drunk, who can't stop drinking, until he hits bottom, but I hope not!  Once you hit bottom you can attend AA (atheists anonymous) ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 20, 2016, 07:47:53 PM
Quote from: doorknob on November 20, 2016, 02:56:25 PM
Oh really? I guess you've never heard of" http://archive.postdesk.com/banned-books-list-reasons-why-censorship "  Damn it those weren't all banned by the catholic church. Oh well.

Point is they still ban stuff 'cause there dumb asses. I'm sure the pope would care about a book that portrays Satan as a hero and god as the bad guy. There was another book banned for portraying Jesus as a sinner even though it was to prove a point about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins or what ever nonsense. point is if they had read the book they would have realized that it was actually supporting Christianity not the other way around.

In 1983 I made a pilgrimage to Greece, and part of that was a pilgrimage to the grave of Kikos Katzazakis.  He isn't buried in a Church cemetery because he was excommunicated over that book (and movie).  The Last Temptation Of Christ.  I liked him because of Zorba The Greek.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 20, 2016, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Munch on November 20, 2016, 07:33:22 PMThis gives me some level of hope, in that it perhaps, in his greed and want for power, being president is going to break donald trump.
Very few people can handle the office, given the intense scrutiny and boundless criticism.  Dubbya Bush sat down as Stephen Colbert absolutely reemed him out.  Obama caught flak from all sides and for months had his citizenship questioned by some orange buffoon whose name I can't recall.  It takes a very thick-skinned person to endure that for years.  Trump is the kind of guy who gets deeply upset over a insult about his hands and once threatened to sue the Onion.  He's not going to last.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 20, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 20, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
Oh man, this theater stuff is a veritable gold mine of hypocrisy.  This guy isn't even in office yet and he's already messing up.

And to think, I thought the left-wing SJWs would screw us up when actually the most brittle crybaby to ever take to social media is none other than President Trump.

I'm frustrated that so many people don't see through Trump's manipulations.

Liberals Keep Falling for Donald Trump’s Tricks

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/20/liberals-keep-falling-for-donald-trump-s-tricks.html

By attacking cultural elites on Sunday, Donald Trump managed to shift attention from his multi-million dollar fraud settlement and his controversial selections for his administration. ...

Trump will continue to harp on SNL and Hamilton for as long as people are paying attention. Trump will seize on dispatches from the culture wars that further the notion that this country consists of a salt of the earth cheated white us versus a snotty, wealthy, coddled urban dwelling them. The source of Trump’s faux-populist smokescreen rage won’t be Hamilton next time; maybe it will be the Oscars, or the Emmys, or the Tony awards. Maybe it will be a thousand dollar a plate fundraiser, or the White House correspondents’ dinner, or the Met ball. And it will serve the same function then as it does now: a way to keep the public focused on issues that froth up Trump’s base, and a way to keep what’s really concerning about Trump’s leadership buried beneath a layer of petty bullshit.

If we on the coasts are so smart, we should know better than to keep falling for it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 20, 2016, 11:17:13 PM
Leftists are smart ... they support Robespierre, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro etc.  Such a bunch of whiners ... I meant winners ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 21, 2016, 03:22:30 AM
Quote from: Aletheia on November 20, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
With the path America has been following, I feel that Trump is an accurate representation of America as it currently is. It has more self-confidence than it has skills sets, spends money unwisely, only cares about human rights so long as it is convenient, places more stock in what "feels right" than what is factual, tries to intimidate anyone who doesn't think it's awesome, complains when things don't go its way, often times is rather inappropriate, and uses resources like there's no tomorrow.

*Slow claps*

Bravo America. Bravo.

That's not a 'current' path. You have described the only American path and the common American identity of the majority in the country in a politically correct way that has always been. So lets' not go on supporting the delusion in another level. It's how the sensible part of the rest of the world has always looked at America and got blamed with being anti-American. A lot of even sensible Americans have seen it differently before, because it was their identity too, because the world was 'different'; it was huge and it was somewhere beyond the Misty Mountains.

Now that world is very small, very crude. Now that identity shrunk so badly and ugly, that world vision within that identity comes out as an abomination. It's almost like the difference between a fantasy model globe and the real world. Unfortunately, the gap to be reached between depends on the capacity of individuals that makes the masses of people.

A man like Trump is like a punch in the face. The real question is, is that part of America going to punch back when its their turn. Because this man has a good chance of winning the second round.


Now a lot of you are 'anti-American'. Welcome to the rest of the world. You know what, this is a huge fucking progress when you actually realise 'what was and what is', however you look at it. Hang in there.


Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on November 21, 2016, 03:31:17 AM
I have seen his twits 'demanding' apology for Pence after the play. I can't find it funny even a little bit, because it is too familiar to me. That's Turkey 10 years ago.

Erdogan started the same. Then he evolved to suing caricaturists, writers, and eventually to prison journalists and finally anyone who criticises him or digs down some facts behind his policies or the consequences of them to inform people. Don't make the usual mistake of thinking that wouldn't happen in the US as you seem so often to do.



Title: Re: Hamilton Actors
Post by: chill98 on November 21, 2016, 06:35:59 AM
If I would have done that to a customer, singled him out for a talking to, I likely would be fired.

That kind of behavior would be considered, by my boss, as unprofessional.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 21, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
Kakistocracy: rule by the shittiest people. That's what is coming up.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 21, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
Quote from: Atheon on November 21, 2016, 07:25:18 AM
Kakistocracy: rule by the shittiest people. That's what is coming up.

The primary output of humanity is shit and piss ... what could possibly be the result?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 21, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 21, 2016, 07:26:39 AM
The primary output of humanity is shit and piss ... what could possibly be the result?

Let's not forget bitterness, regret, sweat, gas, baby butter, in some cases milk and verbal diarrhea.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 21, 2016, 01:12:32 PM
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I will now inaugurate myself as a member of the Repube Party by reciting the Repube Pledge:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Confederate States of Murica, and to the Republicans for which it stands, one nation under Jesus, divisible, with liberty and justice for some. Amen."

Now let's go and shoot us some minorities! And tax the poor! Round up and "deport" (wink wink!) the Meskins and the Mooslims! Poison the rivers! Pave the forests! Constitution? Who needs that when we have the BIBBLE! Let's go take away some FREEDOM!!

"Would you like to send our colored cousins home again, my friend? All you have to do is follow the worms!"
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 21, 2016, 02:32:18 PM
Atheon, I saw this today and thought of you.

https://vimeo.com/191751334
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on November 21, 2016, 03:27:52 PM
What I find amusing, in a cynical way, I've mentioned him before, a gay porn star I use to enjoy, Colby Keller, who said publicly that he voted for trump, and his reason was because he felt having trump as president would shake the foundation of American culture so much that it would cause only positive effects with the president after him.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/10/colby-keller-im-going-vote-trump/
QuoteI’m going to vote for Trump! I think he’s a destabilizing force. I’m skeptical of him, too, and who exactly is behind Trump. But given that there’s eternal dissent in the Republican Party, that leads me to believe that whatever he represents might be a destabilizing force. And he’s made a lot of overtures to Russia and China, which in some ways could be thought of as an encouraging thing. I don’t support or endorse any of Trump’s policies. I just think it’ll escalate the problem, which is the best we can hope for. I hope at the very least he’d turn the White House into a reality show. America would tune in, right? And then he could do something nice, like give the money to the National Park Service, because they’re trying to defund it.

But, the thing I'm thinking now is, why would the American culture that seemed to be doing pretty well in the last 8 year need to be destabilized? It was actually going somewhere, and while the growth of extreme left wing sjw/feminazi/blm has been a problem, it wasn't as bad as what the republicans under trump intend to now set back because of their position to do so. If anything, it will cause those authoritarian left extreme groups to act even more irrational because of it.

The arrogance of a gay white guy saying this, when he won't be feeling the pinch it will cause just really put me off liking the guy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 21, 2016, 04:09:27 PM
"I don’t support or endorse any of Trump’s policies. I just think it’ll escalate the problem, which is the best we can hope for. I hope at the very least he’d turn the White House into a reality show. America would tune in, right? And then he could do something nice, like give the money to the National Park Service, because they’re trying to defund it."

No logic whatsoever.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 21, 2016, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 20, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
I'm frustrated that so many people don't see through Trump's manipulations.

Liberals Keep Falling for Donald Trump’s Tricks

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/20/liberals-keep-falling-for-donald-trump-s-tricks.html
Thanks for the info, though I'm not sure he threw off the scent about his appointments.  I didn't notice much of a dip in coverage there.  And of course, the real fireworks is going to be when he tries to formally appoint these people.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 21, 2016, 06:01:19 PM
Trump can have any cabinet members he wants, as long as they are related to the Bush clan, the Cheney clan and the Rove clan ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 21, 2016, 06:32:25 PM
So....

does any one know where I can find an abandon underground bunker? I'm almost homeless now so I was thinking I could just move into one of those and then when the Apocalypse comes I'll be the president of the bunker. Or queen which ever I decide sounds better. I will start squirling away food and resources now so that I'm heavily stocked and prepared when the time comes. All of you are invited. Just tell the guards you know doorknob or neyamiko and they'll fetch me so I can let you in.

Well I have to find the bunker first so.....
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 21, 2016, 06:44:25 PM
Hide in plain sight ;-)  You are most invisible that way.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cocoa Beware on November 21, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 20, 2016, 10:23:52 PM
I'm frustrated that so many people don't see through Trump's manipulations.

Liberals Keep Falling for Donald Trump’s Tricks

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/20/liberals-keep-falling-for-donald-trump-s-tricks.html

By attacking cultural elites on Sunday, Donald Trump managed to shift attention from his multi-million dollar fraud settlement and his controversial selections for his administration. ...

Trump will continue to harp on SNL and Hamilton for as long as people are paying attention. Trump will seize on dispatches from the culture wars that further the notion that this country consists of a salt of the earth cheated white us versus a snotty, wealthy, coddled urban dwelling them. The source of Trump’s faux-populist smokescreen rage won’t be Hamilton next time; maybe it will be the Oscars, or the Emmys, or the Tony awards. Maybe it will be a thousand dollar a plate fundraiser, or the White House correspondents’ dinner, or the Met ball. And it will serve the same function then as it does now: a way to keep the public focused on issues that froth up Trump’s base, and a way to keep what’s really concerning about Trump’s leadership buried beneath a layer of petty bullshit.

If we on the coasts are so smart, we should know better than to keep falling for it.


I don't understand how that could work. That being said, I've been astonished how much of Trump's idiocy has been effective to this point.

Yesterday I heard Trump was considering appointing Jerry Falwell as secretary of education, and I find that kind of thing much, much more concerning then any of Trump's childish antics.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 21, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Cocoa Beware on November 21, 2016, 07:10:28 PMYesterday I heard Trump was considering appointing Jerry Falwell as secretary of education, and I find that kind of thing much, much more concerning then any of Trump's childish antics.
Door-in-the-face technique?  Make an extreme request and then when it's turned down, make a less extreme request that will more likely to be viewed as reasonable and accepted.  It's like putting $200 jeans on "sale" at $75.  Either price is idiotic, but the buyer feels better about the purchase because he/she avoided the outrageous original price.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 21, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
I despise Trump personally.  I fear his Presidency.  But I am going to wait to see what he actually DOES before taking to the street...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on November 22, 2016, 12:53:15 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 21, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Door-in-the-face technique?  Make an extreme request and then when it's turned down, make a less extreme request that will more likely to be viewed as reasonable and accepted.  It's like putting $200 jeans on "sale" at $75.  Either price is idiotic, but the buyer feels better about the purchase because he/she avoided the outrageous original price.

Maybe. But I think you're probably giving Trump too much credit. I think he's just a moron who got extremely lucky.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cocoa Beware on November 22, 2016, 01:33:07 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 21, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Door-in-the-face technique?  Make an extreme request and then when it's turned down, make a less extreme request that will more likely to be viewed as reasonable and accepted.  It's like putting $200 jeans on "sale" at $75.  Either price is idiotic, but the buyer feels better about the purchase because he/she avoided the outrageous original price.

I have to admit that is an unnerving possibility, and in any case I think it's a good idea to monitor situations like this very closely over the next few months.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on November 22, 2016, 04:22:09 AM
I know, I am not politically correct. Never have been.

Read it if you dare.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/watching_the_snowflakes_melt.html
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 22, 2016, 07:06:21 AM
Quote from: Blackleaf on November 22, 2016, 12:53:15 AM
Maybe. But I think you're probably giving Trump too much credit. I think he's just a moron who got extremely lucky.

Yes, politicians are mostly morons who got extremely lucky.  Hillary wasn't very lucky.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 22, 2016, 07:25:19 AM
Quote from: pr126 on November 22, 2016, 04:22:09 AM
I know, I am not politically correct. Never have been.

Read it if you dare.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/watching_the_snowflakes_melt.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/watching_the_snowflakes_melt.html)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 22, 2016, 04:50:51 PM
Quote from: pr126 on November 20, 2016, 05:40:49 AM
From BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) to TDS?

Pace it out guys, you have 4 years to go yet. Easy there.

Yeah, we've got years of great comedy to enjoy! Those Republicans he's in bed with, as well as all those world leaders, are going to run rings around the Chump-in Chief. It's bad for Ameica and the world, but great for our entertainment (and CNN). After all, someone said that life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those who think.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on November 22, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on November 21, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
I despise Trump personally.  I fear his Presidency.  But I am going to wait to see what he actually DOES before taking to the street...

The racists, bigots and science deniers he's floated so far for positions of authority are all the doing I need to see him do, to know that it's going to be spectacularly awful.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 22, 2016, 08:01:46 PM
If the D party has a bad time ... it is their own fault.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 22, 2016, 08:14:05 PM
I knew we should've elected Pat Paulson while we had the chance...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 24, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15109387_10209600026969995_3421223652300285748_n.jpg?oh=7843a2175cb5951a79fae28fcf83d277&oe=58B7B814)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
If people elected their meteorologist ... then they would get the weather they deserve ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllRight on November 25, 2016, 05:34:20 AM
I have been deeply disturbed by his election to the presidency. I have lost friends over it and my own father has not spoken to me since before the election. I'm trying to look at the bright side, but as a mother of an adult son with a disability I am very concerned about the future of Medicare and Social Security, two things Trump led his supporters to believe that he did not want to change. This election has changed the way I think of my friends, family and country. The first few days I was really afraid for my safety. As a known Hillary supporter I work with rabid Trump supporters. Women are outnumbered in the building I work in by 10 to 1 and I could see the attitudes change the day after the election. The obvious leering, the emboldened racist and sexual comments, and the outright gleeful celebration that this creep won and he will finally put the evil woman in prison for her emails (smh). I have a feeling many of his supporters are going to be very disappointed that he lied to them. Maybe I'm wrong and they just have a blind faith in him but he already seems to be back peddling on so many of the core issues he ran on.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on November 25, 2016, 06:36:10 AM
I still see no indication that Chump's likely presidency is going to be nothing other than a country-destroying disaster. I hope the more mainstream Republicans are going to be embarrassed to the point that they turn on Trump and his Naziesque supporters.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 07:45:27 AM
Quote from: AllRight on November 25, 2016, 05:34:20 AM
I have been deeply disturbed by his election to the presidency. I have lost friends over it and my own father has not spoken to me since before the election. I'm trying to look at the bright side, but as a mother of an adult son with a disability I am very concerned about the future of Medicare and Social Security, two things Trump led his supporters to believe that he did not want to change. This election has changed the way I think of my friends, family and country. The first few days I was really afraid for my safety. As a known Hillary supporter I work with rabid Trump supporters. Women are outnumbered in the building I work in by 10 to 1 and I could see the attitudes change the day after the election. The obvious leering, the emboldened racist and sexual comments, and the outright gleeful celebration that this creep won and he will finally put the evil woman in prison for her emails (smh). I have a feeling many of his supporters are going to be very disappointed that he lied to them. Maybe I'm wrong and they just have a blind faith in him but he already seems to be back peddling on so many of the core issues he ran on.

I am so sorry this event has traumatized you.  I didn't vote for Trump, but for most voters who didn't vote for Hillary, it is not our intention to challenge you over this, just an inevitable change of power (hopefully peaceful) and a swing of the political pendulum.

I am also depending, in my family, on Medicare, Medicaid and SS.  My daughter is adult handicapped.  Every challenge to those programs is a threat to my family members.  I consider all politicians as threats to the status quo ... they have a tendency to change things, not always for the better.

If you are in work environment where the other employees are "challenging" ... I am sorry for that also.  Fortunately there is no recrimination at my place of work, for not voting for Trump.  The majority who voted there, did vote for Trump, because they are very conservative.  Of course all elected officials will prove disappointing in many ways.  Obama did IMHO.  Your coworkers must have been jerks before the election though.  If friends break because of this, they weren't real friends.  My best work-friend is a rabid Sarah Palin supporter (I just hold my nose if she speaks of it).

I hope that your father will get over it.  I wouldn't have argued or chastised my daughter if she had voted for Hillary.  Turns out we both voted for Johnson.  My Ex and her husband I suspect voted opposite ... my Ex for Hillary and her husband for Trump.  So a family divided three ways ... but hopefully not argumentative.

The closest I have come to your experience ... my mother voted for George Wallace in 1968.  I couldn't vote yet.  Had a hard time reconciling her choice (but no problem with her personally, I can separate politics from personal relationship).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on November 25, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 24, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
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This makes me want to drill through my forehead.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on November 25, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
This makes me want to drill through my forehead.

Then elect the local TV meteorologist ;-)  You think any President has ever been a scientist?

And yes, there is junk science, though most of it is in psychiatry (50% non-reproducible) and medicine (33% non-reproducible).  The idea that in geoscience you can do controlled experiments ... is not true.  You can make multiple observations of constantly changing phenomena ... though most of it doesn't change as fast as the weather (continental movement is very slow).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on November 25, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
You think any President has ever been a scientist?

I expect world leaders to have basic knowledge of top issues and communicate effectively. Obviously the general public sets the bar lower.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 25, 2016, 12:02:51 PM
The good news is if someone does manage to shoot trump with one of the many easily available off the shelf assault rifles the rubes will suddenly go whole hog on gun control laws and blame Obama for not doing it when he had the chance. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 25, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
I expect world leaders to have basic knowledge of top issues and communicate effectively. Obviously the general public sets the bar lower.

Do you have a college professor that you admire?  Then vote for him.  I am sure the rest of the academic seminar attendees will be happy to intelligently argue with you over your choice vs theirs.

I would run myself, but the 99% won't vote for anyone intelligent, and the 1% will only vote for themselves ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 25, 2016, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Atheon on November 25, 2016, 06:36:10 AMI still see no indication that Chump's likely presidency is going to be nothing other than a country-destroying disaster. I hope the more mainstream Republicans are going to be embarrassed to the point that they turn on Trump and his Naziesque supporters.
Yeah.  If there's a silver lining here, it's that this disaster-elect is going to ultimately ruin the Republican cause.  Remember when W Bush had a 90% approval rating after 9/11?  Fast forward a few years and his name was practically an epithet?  Trump's in for a similar treatment.  By the end of his term, he'll look even worse than he already does (http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-approval-rating-after-election-since-disapproval-favorable-unfavorable-polls-poll-opinion-right-wrong-track/), which is pretty awful compared to other president-elects prior to taking office.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 11:06:29 PM
Trump is a unique experiment in political leadership.  He isn't a politician, has never been elected before.  He is flaky like former President of Venezuela ... Hugo Chavez.  He is a businessman, not a lawyer.  He hires lawyers.  America simply decided to cut out the middlemen ... the lawyers.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 26, 2016, 06:05:37 AM
Secretary of Education is a creationist. Fuck  you, science.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 07:53:30 AM
Like Populism yet?  Maybe the Queen would still take us back ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 26, 2016, 08:44:06 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 26, 2016, 06:05:37 AM
Secretary of Education is a creationist. Fuck  you, science.
And Secretary of State might very well be a guy who never saw a war he didn't like (http://rare.us/story/rand-paul-will-donald-trump-betray-voters-by-hiring-john-bolton/).  Trump can say whatever he wants - we'll know his real purpose by his actions. If/when he makes terrible appointments like that, there will be a backlash.  It'll be yuge.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 09:13:59 AM
Never saw a war they didn't like ... like Obama and Hitlery?

Sheesh, comrade ... don't make bastion of truth, Washington Post, put Atheistforums.com on hit list of transparent Russian agitprop ... we have to fly under Capitalist radar.  Fearless Leader might send Boris and Natasha for visit.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 26, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 09:13:59 AM
Never saw a war they didn't like ... like Obama and Hitlery?
This guy makes even your most distorted and monstrous versions of them look like Gandhi and Jane Addams respectively.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 26, 2016, 09:36:29 AM
This guy makes even your most distorted and monstrous versions of them look like Gandhi and Jane Addams respectively.

People are nasty, particularly when they have power.  I don't seen any reason to distinguish one ape from another ... unless you subscribe to the Planet of the Apes theory, that champs, orangutans and apes are culturally different ;-)

We will never know what really happened in Libya or Syria ... or Iraq or Afghanistan before that.  But can't accept that the Ds are Left, when they clearly support war, war and more war ... way back to Thomas Jefferson.  MLK wasn't a D or an R ... and Gandhi is rejected by Indian political parties both in his time and since.  They aren't political leaders.  Pacifists never are.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: doorknob on November 26, 2016, 02:38:58 PM
disagree. Not all of us apes were created equal. I do believe that some where is a leader with integrity. That person just doesn't have a snowflakes chance in hell of becoming president.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 26, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 02:22:22 PM
People are nasty, particularly when they have power.  I don't seen any reason to distinguish one ape from another ...
Is this another one of those highly objectionable things you say, presumably seriously, that you'll claim I shouldn't take seriously when I call you on it?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 26, 2016, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 26, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Is this another one of those highly objectionable things you say, presumably seriously, that you'll claim I shouldn't take seriously when I call you on it?

Call me on it?  If you believe in evolution, then you know humans are apes.  And is the fact that people are bigoted or ideological, news?  If I choose not to distinguish between one kind of ape or another ... why is that a problem?  Or do you not believe that power corrupts, and absolute power ... absolutely?

If I said that children are the incarnate future (as beings of Being) ... then don't necessarily take that as praise.  I don't despise the animal or plant kingdoms.  But people here do despise poetry.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 27, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 25, 2016, 11:55:29 AM
I expect world leaders to have basic knowledge of top issues and communicate effectively. Obviously the general public sets the bar lower.
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 11:06:29 PM
Trump is a unique experiment in political leadership.  He isn't a politician, has never been elected before.  He is flaky like former President of Venezuela ... Hugo Chavez.  He is a businessman, not a lawyer.  He hires lawyers.  America simply decided to cut out the middlemen ... the lawyers.

Yes, but he is unethical and lies like a drunken sailor. If you read his tweets, you think a 10 year old is typing. Now he claims that millions voted illegally, otherwise he would have won the popular vote handily. So the 'rigged' line is on again.
I dread the thought of January 20th. Hopefully he gets impeached quickly. I won't give him more than 1 to 2 years; he'll dig his own political grave with some stupid stunt.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on November 27, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
Quote from: reasonist on November 27, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
he'll dig his own political grave with some stupid stunt.
I'd amend this to 'stunts'.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason78 on November 27, 2016, 05:43:10 PM
I think this is the funniest thing I've seen americans do in a long time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on November 27, 2016, 05:55:59 PM
http://shareblue.com/trump-fails-his-first-diplomatic-test/ (http://shareblue.com/trump-fails-his-first-diplomatic-test/)

Trump vs Obama...

Trump (Via Twitter):

QuoteFidel Castro is dead!

Obama:

QuoteAt this time of Fidel Castro’s passing, we extend a hand of friendship to the Cuban people. We know that this moment fills Cubans â€" in Cuba and in the United States â€" with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives, families, and of the Cuban nation. History will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure on the people and world around him.

For nearly six decades, the relationship between the United States and Cuba was marked by discord and profound political disagreements. During my presidency, we have worked hard to put the past behind us, pursuing a future in which the relationship between our two countries is defined not by our differences but by the many things that we share as neighbors and friends â€" bonds of family, culture, commerce, and common humanity. This engagement includes the contributions of Cuban Americans, who have done so much for our country and who care deeply about their loved ones in Cuba.

Today, we offer condolences to Fidel Castro’s family, and our thoughts and prayers are with the Cuban people. In the days ahead, they will recall the past and also look to the future. As they do, the Cuban people must know that they have a friend and partner in the United States of America.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 27, 2016, 06:36:46 PM
Just shows you: One is a statesman, the other a toxic clown.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 27, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on November 27, 2016, 05:43:10 PMI think this is the funniest thing I've seen americans do in a long time.
Just wait until it starts affecting our foreign relations.  That'll be a blast.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 27, 2016, 08:03:45 PM
Reasonist ... every election is stolen, the question is was the theft effective (did it steal enough votes to matter).  Voting is too important to be left to the Hoi Polloi.

You might not understand the American ennui toward Castro ... and how important the Cuban exile, Bacardi (millionaires in rum) and organized crime (who ran casinos in Cuba) are to ... elections here.  The Cuban Missile crisis isn't forgotten, though it turned out to be ... not an apocalypse, barely.

Our enemies might be statesmen, but we want them dead just the same.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 27, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
Quote from: Baruch on November 27, 2016, 08:03:45 PM
Reasonist ... every election is stolen, the question is was the theft effective (did it steal enough votes to matter).  Voting is too important to be left to the Hoi Polloi.

You might not understand the American ennui toward Castro ... and how important the Cuban exile, Bacardi (millionaires in rum) and organized crime (who ran casinos in Cuba) are to ... elections here.  The Cuban Missile crisis isn't forgotten, though it turned out to be ... not an apocalypse, barely.

Our enemies might be statesmen, but we want them dead just the same.

I meant Obama vs. Trump. I know you are not a fan but I think he is one of the better Presidents you had. Sure one of the smartest. Probably too nice for the job.
You are right, voting IS important. To see that over 2 million votes don't even count is outrageous. That is the reason why so many people get disillusioned. Even in a constitutional republic every vote should count. It's just a different branch of democracy anyhow. So majority vote should decide. Apparently it does not take a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, that buck can be passed to the individual States. Don't know if that's true. I am still trying to find a country that has the same system as you. So far no luck.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 27, 2016, 10:40:10 PM
Quote from: reasonist on November 27, 2016, 09:13:23 PM
I meant Obama vs. Trump. I know you are not a fan but I think he is one of the better Presidents you had. Sure one of the smartest. Probably too nice for the job.
You are right, voting IS important. To see that over 2 million votes don't even count is outrageous. That is the reason why so many people get disillusioned. Even in a constitutional republic every vote should count. It's just a different branch of democracy anyhow. So majority vote should decide. Apparently it does not take a constitutional amendment to get rid of the electoral college, that buck can be passed to the individual States. Don't know if that's true. I am still trying to find a country that has the same system as you. So far no luck.

I love your contributions by the way ;-)  The Electoral College I do think is part of the Constitution (article 2), it is the two-party system that is not part of the Constitution.  George Washington warned, and was ignored, regarding partisan politics, in his farewell speech.  The exact implementation is often statutory ... the details are to be worked in legislation.  The amendment that created the Federal Reserve ... you won't find the Federal Reserve mentioned in it at all ... strictly covered by "enabling" legislation.  I was shocked!  I expected ordinary legislation to be sloppy, but an amendment sloppy!!  Anyway, I am surprised you don't see the precedent ... regardless of the arguments in the Federalist Papers ... the Electors of the Holy Roman Empire.  Of course our electors are popularly selected, they aren't German noblemen.  As far as popular vote goes, the past and never ending brouhaha over the current Presidential election is so horrible to my eyes, I would abolish the popular vote for both Senators (returning it back to the states) and even for the President/VP.  I would let the Senate (upper house) be the decider (like the Roman Senate vis a vis the two Consuls).  All the popular politics should be in the House.  I don't think massive votes over vast geography work at all ... and yes, we could increase the number of people in the House, so that each representative covers fewer people.  There are lots of ways the House could be improved, say avoiding gerrymandering by letting the state judiciary decide voting districts, not the state legislature.  I am simply no longer in favor of popular democracy in the modern age ... beyond a Congressional House district that is.  The people aren't up to it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on November 28, 2016, 12:50:13 AM
There are so MANY idiot Republicans to choose from as "very very bad" choices.  Trump, Palin, Carson, Cain, etc.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on November 28, 2016, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 27, 2016, 10:40:10 PM
I love your contributions by the way ;-)  The Electoral College I do think is part of the Constitution (article 2), it is the two-party system that is not part of the Constitution.  George Washington warned, and was ignored, regarding partisan politics, in his farewell speech.  The exact implementation is often statutory ... the details are to be worked in legislation.  The amendment that created the Federal Reserve ... you won't find the Federal Reserve mentioned in it at all ... strictly covered by "enabling" legislation.  I was shocked!  I expected ordinary legislation to be sloppy, but an amendment sloppy!!  Anyway, I am surprised you don't see the precedent ... regardless of the arguments in the Federalist Papers ... the Electors of the Holy Roman Empire.  Of course our electors are popularly selected, they aren't German noblemen.  As far as popular vote goes, the past and never ending brouhaha over the current Presidential election is so horrible to my eyes, I would abolish the popular vote for both Senators (returning it back to the states) and even for the President/VP.  I would let the Senate (upper house) be the decider (like the Roman Senate vis a vis the two Consuls).  All the popular politics should be in the House.  I don't think massive votes over vast geography work at all ... and yes, we could increase the number of people in the House, so that each representative covers fewer people.  There are lots of ways the House could be improved, say avoiding gerrymandering by letting the state judiciary decide voting districts, not the state legislature.  I am simply no longer in favor of popular democracy in the modern age ... beyond a Congressional House district that is.  The people aren't up to it.

Hey Baruch, thanks for the encouragement, I return the compliment. We all can suckle on your knowledge and insight.
I agree with you, but what would be a viable, more inclusive alternative for a popular democracy? I still like a direct democracy, it makes the most sense to me.
You mentioned the Fed. That's another uniquely American institution. Basically privately owned, controlling all the money flow, interest rates, Bond rates etc., printing and lending money to the govt., it should be another govt. branch, like a Central bank in other countries without private ownership. Or part of the Ministry of Finance.
What was the thinking behind this set up? Why have private ownership with such sensitive issues? Are the control mechanisms enough?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 28, 2016, 12:51:27 PM
There are a lot of problems with the origin and operation of the Federal Reserve.  Early American Presidents killed its prior incarnations.

A kind of public-private partnership, still very popular today.  We don't trust government and we don't trust business, so we try to force them together (fascism) so that they can counter-balance each other, like Hegelian dialectic.

North Dakota has public banks, and suffered not at all from the 2008 downturn.  Wonder why?

At one time, we had postal banks at each post office (a public institution, not private) that was the bank for anyone who wasn't credit worthy to bank at a private bank.  We got rid of those in my lifetime ... because all Americans are now creditworthy ;-)

When I was little, we had three kinds of currency; Federal Reserve Notes, Silver Certificates, and United States Notes.  We got rid of all our silver, so we can't do silver certificates (thanks LBJ).  We could still do United States Notes (issued by the Treasury, without going thru the Federal Reserve), but powerful people wouldn't like that, just like they didn't like Silver Certificates (or earlier Gold Certificates or earlier commercial bank currency).  Might get a trip to Dallas if you mess with the Federal Reserve ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason78 on November 28, 2016, 06:21:03 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 27, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Just wait until it starts affecting our foreign relations.  That'll be a blast.

It already has.   Have you seen what Nigel Farage is up to?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 28, 2016, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Jason78 on November 28, 2016, 06:21:03 PM
It already has.   Have you seen what Nigel Farage is up to?
You mean Trump saying he'd be a great ambassador to the US (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/22/nigel-farage-uk-ambassador-us-donald-trump)?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason78 on November 28, 2016, 06:33:39 PM
Yep, that's exactly what I mean.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on November 28, 2016, 06:39:45 PM
Yeah, I can see that not going over very well with sane brits.  Plus, Trump should worry more about his own country's appointments.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on November 28, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
Y'all need to capitalistically invest in Che t-shirts and berets.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on November 30, 2016, 09:29:57 PM
The whole world's on the edge of its seat, waiting with bated breath for every word that proceeds from the mouth (or wherever) of the POTUS-select.

I think the current uncertainty alone is enough to psychologically damage the world.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 01, 2016, 04:42:46 AM
Gotta admitt, haven't really thought about it for a few days.

This is the world now. It's absurd to be sure, but this is reality.

We will survive.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2016, 07:26:19 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 01, 2016, 04:42:46 AM
Gotta admitt, haven't really thought about it for a few days.

This is the world now. It's absurd to be sure, but this is reality.

We will survive.

Study Camus.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 01, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Truthiness Trump surrogate Scott Nell Hughes breaks it down:

"Well, I think it's also an idea of an opinion. And that'sâ€"on one hand, I hear half the media saying that these are lies. But on the other half, there are many people that go, 'No, it's true.' And so one thing that has been interesting this entire campaign season to watch, is that people that say facts are factsâ€"they're not really facts. Everybody has a wayâ€"it's kind of like looking at ratings, or looking at a glass of half-full water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth, or not truth. There's no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts.

"And so Mr. Trump's tweet, amongst a certain crowdâ€"a large part of the populationâ€"are truth. When he says that millions of people illegally voted, he has someâ€"amongst him and his supporters, and people believe they have facts to back that up. Those that do not like Mr. Trump, they say that those are lies and that there are no facts to back it up."

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a51152/trump-surrogate-no-such-thing-as-facts/
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 01, 2016, 04:52:54 PM
Yeah, they discussed Chump's tweets this morning on Democracy Now! (https://www.democracynow.org/) and mentioned how there's no longer anything factual, all is mere opinion. The Donald-in-Chief is very good at manipulating the media to his benefit.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2016, 08:12:09 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 01, 2016, 04:52:54 PM
Yeah, they discussed Chump's tweets this morning on Democracy Now! (https://www.democracynow.org/) and mentioned how there's no longer anything factual, all is mere opinion. The Donald-in-Chief is very good at manipulating the media to his benefit.

That is how he uniformly tricked them into supporting Hillary, because his prophetic powers told him that would backfire on Hillary?

Politics isn't about truth, it is about putting a plausible fiction together that works (King George III bad, George Washington good).  The problem for the Democrats is that their current fictions aren't working.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 02, 2016, 12:03:53 AM
Was Trump approved by the Saudi king or the Muslim Brotherhood? No? Then his election is not valid.

I know HRC was their choice, they even paid a handsome sum towards her election.
Don't let that go to waste!

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 12:23:00 AM
Trump is all NOW.  He shows no sense of yesterday or tomorrow.  Most of us react to events in all 3 times; Trump does not.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on December 02, 2016, 11:20:45 AM
What we have learned in the last 8 years is that a black man and a con man can be elected President of the US.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on December 02, 2016, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: reasonist on December 02, 2016, 11:20:45 AM
What we have learned in the last 8 years is that a black man and a con man can be elected President of the US.

Being a factual statement, that is true.  But is it a USEFUL statement?

I am reminded of an old joke about a helicopter lost in a Seattle fog.  They hover near a building and flash a "where are we" sign.  The office workers say they are 300" up and 50' away from the building.  The helicoptor pilot immediately heads due south. 

"Because" he said, "It had to be the Microsoft Building.  Their information was utterly correct and completely useless".

Your information is completely useless...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on December 02, 2016, 01:54:49 PM
If you don't have enough brains to get what I meant, go back to your cave.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 02, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 01, 2016, 08:12:09 PM
That is how he uniformly tricked them into supporting Hillary, because his prophetic powers told him that would backfire on Hillary?

What, you believed Chump when he said “The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary,”



QuotePolitics isn't about truth, it is about putting a plausible fiction together that works (King George III bad, George Washington good).  The problem for the Democrats is that their current fictions aren't working.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention "their current fictions."

Care to elucidate?

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 02, 2016, 04:21:49 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 02, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention "their current fictions."

Care to elucidate?

He means that winning an election requires a good marketing, something similar to workings of a 'fiction' as in creating a general image, like the mechanism of actors fitting into a story with the usual material at hand. (It doesn't change much, actually it hasn't changed much in thousands of years in the big picture.)

Like a story that appeals people with its protagonist that can cause them imagine themselves in it; as a part of what is offered. It's about creating an illusion of something actually to be done, it is not a lie either, but the difference against another enough to conivnce the majority.

Baruch says Dems cannot do this right now.

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 02, 2016, 04:35:01 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 02, 2016, 04:21:49 PM
"winning an election requires a good marketing"

Well, it apparently also requires purging voters from the rolls, requiring voters to provide ID, making few voting places available, and whatever else it takes to win, which is all any of them care about - winning at any (repeat ANY) cost.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 06:50:36 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 02, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
What, you believed Chump when he said “The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary,”

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention "their current fictions."

Care to elucidate?

It was proven by the Pedestal emails, her campaign manager, that the media was completely complicit in her campaign.

Neoliberalism ... or the Deplorables don't matter, even if we don't prevent them from voting

"Neoliberalism is a policy model of social studies and economics that transfers control of economic factors to the private sector from the public sector. ... Neoliberal policies aim for a laissez-faire approach to economic development." ... aka Hoover, in short, the opposite of FDR.

And the wonderful "it's time for a woman President, no matter which woman she we choose for you".

Drunkenshoe is completely correct ... to elect someone, you have to create a new narrative, that appeals to people.  Without a new narrative, it isn't possible to elect a new politician ... since Obama can't run again.  This is why Hillary had no strong vote from African-Americans.  She would have had to show that she was even Blacker than Obama, which actually wouldn't have been to hard, since Obama is such an Oreo anyway.  Even Bill Clinton has been called the first Black President, and he is White.  Obama is so elite and cold, he is simply a dark Republican.  The Dems can't create a narrative at present, and if they do, it doesn't appeal to people (just to bankers and war mongers).  A coalition party like the Dems, always has a problem building a unified narrative.  That is why a narrower party (and hence problem getting enough votes in the general election) can have greater ideological discipline aka the Republicans.  But the Republicans let their narrative get hijacked by a grifter.  The Democrats prevented that, by shafting Bernie.

The ultimate politics is like the early history of the Nazi party.  Originally Hitler wasn't even a Nazi.  He was sent there as a agent provocateur, by Ernst Rohm, his old boss from the Wehrmacht days ... Rohm was running an early version of Blackwater aka Academi aka Xi.  Hitler was too successful in his mission ... he was able to seize control of the Nazi party (including changing its name to Nazi) and thru purging the existing membership and bringing in fanatical loyalists ... was able to totally change and energize the ideology and mission of the Party.  Eventually he is a bigger deal than Ernst Rohm, and Ernst Rohm dies, along with the Brownshirts ... in the Night of the Long Knives purge where the SS were in the ascendent.  Erik Prince is a real Ernst Rohm .. he founded Blackwater.  It isn't yet clear who would be the Hitler equivalent.  Somebody charismatic.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on December 02, 2016, 07:14:46 PM


Is it still to early to judge him?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2016, 07:28:41 PM
With or without Twitter?  He is likely to get banned like some other irritating folks ... then we will never know what little he has on his mind ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Aletheia on December 03, 2016, 12:55:51 AM
All joking and bickering aside, there is cause for concern when a democratic society votes for a leader who fans the fires of their fear and bigotry. The Germans learned the hard way that this is the Achilles heel of a Democratic Republic. For me, this is like waiting at the precipice, uncertain if this will be an inconvenient embarrassment for America, or the start of another horrific atrocity that leads to the death of millions and thwarts the advancement of science for decades, or even centuries.

That uneasy laugh we all have, indicates that uncertainty we all feel right now. This wasn't supposed to happen. Americans were never supposed to be this gullible, apathetic, or stupid. Sure, we joked about it, but we honestly didn't believe it. And yet, the voice of the people have spoken, and it's full of hate, ignorance, and fear. We dare call ourselves the home of the brave? What brave? We sent the brave off to die, silenced them to protect religious freedoms, trampled them in our competitive rush for the all mighty dollar, and planted garbage in the minds of their children with under-funded education programs and vapid Saturday morning cartoons that taught them being cool or winning at all costs was more important than solving problems, facing adversity, and working together as a team.

I don't want to see people die because we were all complacent, but my generation will not be the first, and I fear, it won't be the last to see this lesson in history repeat itself.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pato15 on December 03, 2016, 12:57:34 AM
I think future historians will start with the Trump presidency when they discuss the decline and fall of the US empire.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 01:09:43 AM
Quote from: pato15 on December 03, 2016, 12:57:34 AM
I think future historians will start with the Trump presidency when they discuss the decline and fall of the US empire.
No, the decline and fall started decades ago.
Now it is just clinging to the wreckage.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 01:14:50 AM
Quote from: pato15 on December 03, 2016, 12:57:34 AM
I think future historians will start with the Trump presidency when they discuss the decline and fall of the US empire.

President Woodrow Wilson ...

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President
   [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....
   the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."
   -- Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

This was a quote from the father of Charles Lindbergh, the aviator.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on December 03, 2016, 11:29:01 AM
I still do not know if Trump will be good or bad for me/mine in the long run. 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/01/trump_there_is_no_global_flag_no_global_currency_no_global_citizenship_we_are_united_as_americans.html

But I am a working class citizen. 

Hate him all you want; I did.  But I have a friend who is a huge Trump supporter, who I spent time discussing the differences.   I looked at her links to his positions, I went on youtube and found old interviews where he is talking about the 'big picture' and I find his positions have not changed significantly. 

So how can you listen to the above clip and not figure out why Trump was elected?

Will he come through with his promises?  I don't know.  He has two years before congress comes up for election again and he has staked the most important thing in the world to him on his success, that being the Trump name.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 11:36:19 AM
Is Trump a flash in the pan like Occupy, or a movement?  If he can get Congress to cooperate over the next two years, and continue to eviscerate the RNC in the next Congressional elections (with Tea Party candidates) ... then he is a movement.

If he were another Ronald Reagan, then he would do OK for the economy, not great, but better than Obama (yes, blame Congress if you want).  But economists say ... he doesn't have the "leg room" to do what Ronnie did, because we are in much more debt (so we can't stimulate fiscally) and the interest rates are low (so we can't stimulate by lowering them further).  Ronnie and those who came after him, got us to the current dance .. it isn't 1980 all over again.

If you believe in Manifest Destiny of the EU, or China or Russia ... then the best he can do is slow the fall of the US into poverty and powerlessness.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 12:10:46 PM
My take on Trump.
He is not a politician. That is I think a plus. Politicians are by nature devious, liers, self serving bastards who are going into office to get rich quick. Pover hungry control freaks.

Trump is a billioneer, and one has to be good in business to get as high as he has done. Maybe he can figure out the economy better than the other candidate would have.

There is a lot of propaganda from the media agains Trump, and it will continue to be.

He likes America, unlike the present incumbent who has made some (lots) of bad decisions, good riddens.
There will be a lot of work to straighten up America, and Trump needs all the help to make it happen.

While I expect that the left will throw the spanners in the works just in spite.
They don't want him to  succeed, the don't want America to succeed.

We'll see what happens.

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on December 03, 2016, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 11:36:19 AM
Is Trump a flash in the pan like Occupy, or a movement?  If he can get Congress to cooperate over the next two years, and continue to eviscerate the RNC in the next Congressional elections (with Tea Party candidates) ... then he is a movement.

If he were another Ronald Reagan, then he would do OK for the economy, not great, but better than Obama (yes, blame Congress if you want).  But economists say ... he doesn't have the "leg room" to do what Ronnie did, because we are in much more debt (so we can't stimulate fiscally) and the interest rates are low (so we can't stimulate by lowering them further).  Ronnie and those who came after him, got us to the current dance .. it isn't 1980 all over again.

If you believe in Manifest Destiny of the EU, or China or Russia ... then the best he can do is slow the fall of the US into poverty and powerlessness.
sorry but raygun was the gatekeeper of the current problem.  He's not my hero, but I do now understand he was suffering from dementia during his time in office. 

Trump is likely a flash in the pan, but I do expect him to use twitter/etc to shame reluctant republicans into supporting the ideas that may go against their personal enrichment schemes.  Paybacks are a bitch and I doubt he will forget the push against him by the GOP during the election.  I think he will be willing to twitter his support of an opposing candidate who runs on a palatable platform should that run be against a republican that thwarts 'the Donalds' plan for the future.  One thing about trump, I don't think he cares what party you are, as long as you agree with him :)

China has been awful quiet about Trump. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 01:16:55 PM
Ronnie had lots of problems, but the DNC wouldn't put forward a good candidate to run against him (incumbent the first time, then the former incumbent's VP the second time).  These are the same folks who ran HHH and McGovern.  Carter was a good choice, too bad he wasn't up to the job.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 01:41:53 PM
The DNC wants Keith Ellison for the leader.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2016/1203/Is-Keith-Ellison-the-future-of-the-DNC
One from the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/5708/ipt-exclusive-in-private-fundraiser-ellison#

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Blackleaf on December 03, 2016, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 12:10:46 PM
My take on Trump.
He is not a politician. That is I think a plus. Politicians are by nature devious, liers, self serving bastards who are going into office to get rich quick. Pover hungry control freaks.

Trump is a billioneer, and one has to be good in business to get as high as he has done. Maybe he can figure out the economy better than the other candidate would have.

Right. Billionaires aren't devious, lying, self-serving bastards who just want to make a lot of money as fast as possible. They aren't control freaks.

Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 12:10:46 PMThere is a lot of propaganda from the media agains Trump, and it will continue to be.

There is no propaganda against Trump. Trump says stupid things, media talks about it.

(http://crooksandliars.com/files/images/16/08/2016-08-11.jpg)

The only media outlet that is selling propaganda is Fox News, which tries to convince everyone that he's the messiah, and that he's totally not a racist, womanizing, lying, dumbass.

Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 12:10:46 PMHe likes America, unlike the present incumbent who has made some (lots) of bad decisions, good riddens.
There will be a lot of work to straighten up America, and Trump needs all the help to make it happen.

(https://notalwaysright.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/images-1.jpeg)

Straighten up America? You mean go back to the days when Christians decided what everyone else could or couldn't do? Perhaps you'd like it if he took away the rights of homosexual couples to marry? Maybe you'll enjoy it when he starts jailing the press for saying things he doesn't like. That'll be REALLY retro.

Quote from: pr126 on December 03, 2016, 12:10:46 PMWhile I expect that the left will throw the spanners in the works just in spite.
They don't want him to  succeed, the don't want America to succeed.

Oh, yeah. Unlike Republicans, who totally never opposed anything Obama did just because he was Obama.

http://ivn.us/2013/09/27/obamacare-was-originally-proposed-by-republicans/
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 02:58:26 PM
Go to the White House, propose to one of Obama's daughters ... then you can be in his family.  Maybe then you can see his college transcript.

If you are young enough, I hope Chelsea has kids, and you get to marry one.  Welcome to the new plutocracy.

Of course millionaires lie ... everyone does.  Ah yes, Fox News (I hate them too, but I don't think they have super powers).

Pr126 ... I like Rep Keith Ellison as DNC chair ... but I don't think anyone can save the POS that the Democrat Party is.  Trump can't save the POC that the Republican Party is either, but he might be effective in demolishing it further.  Rep Nancy Pelosi is more of the same scoop of failure they have been doing for years now ... so steady as she goes ;-)  Washington DC now rewards failure ... so expect to see more of that.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 03, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
A prelude of things to come:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYCAYUkbols

The committee is chaired by Lamar Smith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_S._Smith), who publicly denies climate change and sponsored SOPA.  These are the sorts of people who will shortly be in charge of policy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 08:47:05 PM
If government programs and policies are ineffective anyway ... nothing to worry about?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 03, 2016, 09:59:18 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 08:47:05 PMIf government programs and policies are ineffective anyway ... nothing to worry about?
Those are quite a lot of things of widely varying effectiveness.  So yeah, we still have an awful lot left to lose.

It'd take a very special (and horribly misled) person to seriously believe that things are so bad in the US that it doesn't matter who's calling the shots.

If you really feel that way (and I sincerely doubt you actually do), I suggest a field trip to Somalia or Sudan to do a little compare and contrast.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 10:53:59 PM
Posed a question, didn't make a statement.  I don't need chauvinism to get supper.  I simply take advantage of my environment, like any other animal.  In that sense, any country with people in it, has the same basic problems.  Would I prefer 50 years ago?  Maybe yes, maybe no.

I can worry about something I can't change, or not.  I choose not to.  That isn't to say I don't enjoy wild speculation as to what color underwear Trump wears (I suspect he wears a green-dollar-note print).  Watching politics for me, is a guilty pleasure like watching a car crash.

Does it matter who is calling the shots?  Sure ... but I ain't a big shot.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 03, 2016, 11:34:15 PM
Quote from: Baruch on December 03, 2016, 10:53:59 PMPosed a question, didn't make a statement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elRxbGJuCw8

I sometimes forget that you aren't supposed to be taken seriously.  Sorry.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 04, 2016, 12:17:43 AM
I don't post for my health, just for my sanity.  If you don't find my contributions ... interesting, someone else might.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 04, 2016, 02:08:34 AM
QuoteIt'd take a very special (and horribly misled) person to seriously believe that things are so bad in the US that it doesn't matter who's calling the shots.
Apparently it doesn't matter at all. As long as he / she is from the Democratic party. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: FaithIsFilth on December 04, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on December 03, 2016, 02:52:11 PM
There is no propaganda against Trump. Trump says stupid things, media talks about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa0Og9TILiM

That video sums up the entirety of the election coverage.

As for the question in the OP, I think Trump and Pence is Bush and Cheney all over again. You're in for a very rough eight years.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 04, 2016, 02:14:48 PM
Maybe .. if the insurgency of the Tea Party is just a good-cop/bad-cop tool of the Elite/Bushites ... then we will have a Bush/Cheney WH, minus Bush or Cheney, but pretty much the same policies.  Not that I am fond of the Tea Party platform.  Reactionary stuff has been bad since FDR gave the Republicans a bad case of the Nazis.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on December 04, 2016, 03:16:35 PM
More like a Reagan / Bush I WH (imho). 

Cheney ruled over the baby Bush.  I don't think Pence has that kind of influence over Trump.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on December 05, 2016, 02:14:55 PM
(http://www.kgbreport.com/images/electoral.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 05, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Al Gore to hold climate talks with Trump. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38211695)

A real meeting of the minds.  Well, one mind.  Here's to hoping that sanity prevails, but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 05, 2016, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 05, 2016, 04:05:53 PM
Al Gore to hold climate talks with Trump. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38211695)

A real meeting of the minds.  Well, one mind.  Here's to hoping that sanity prevails, but don't hold your breath.

Gore and Trump can chew the fat ... Gore's fat or Trump's fat?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on December 09, 2016, 06:06:32 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 02, 2016, 04:21:49 PM
He means that winning an election requires a good marketing, something similar to workings of a 'fiction' as in creating a general image, like the mechanism of actors fitting into a story with the usual material at hand. (It doesn't change much, actually it hasn't changed much in thousands of years in the big picture.)

Like a story that appeals people with its protagonist that can cause them imagine themselves in it; as a part of what is offered. It's about creating an illusion of something actually to be done, it is not a lie either, but the difference against another enough to conivnce the majority.

Baruch says Dems cannot do this right now.

LOL!  I'm pretty sure that isn't what he meant by "fiction".  He meant imaginary crazy thoughts and I don't agree.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 09, 2016, 07:21:31 AM
Fiction = control of narrative by distortion of facts and invention of new popular memes.  Standard totalitarian stuff.  The D totalitarians are having technical difficulties ... like in the old broadcast TV days (now there was propaganda) when a storm rolled in and you adjusted the rabbit ears in vain ;-)  The R totalitarian branding is temporarily in the ascendent.  I don't know anyone who wants to be Hillary Clinton, but I do know someone who wants to be Sarah Palin.  I am sure plenty of guys (not gentlemen of course) wouldn't mind being Trump.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 11:17:18 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monsters_Are_Due_on_Maple_Street

Just saw this episode for the first time yesterday.  This exactly describes the US in 1960 ... and in 2001 and today ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I am starting to hope the electoral college votes against him, but hope is a dangerous thing.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 11:19:22 AMI am starting to hope the electoral college votes against him, but hope is a dangerous thing.
I would be extremely surprised if the electoral college votes don't give Trump a win.  Then again, his election night victory was exactly that sort of surprise, so who knows.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
Btw, can you imagine the outrage if the electoral college delegates voted against the people's wishes?  Having the will of the people subverted by a relative handful runs completely against the purpose of the electoral college! [insert irony punctuation here]
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 02:55:56 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
Btw, can you imagine the outrage if the electoral college delegates voted against the people's wishes?  Having the will of the people subverted by a relative handful runs completely against the purpose of the electoral college! [insert irony punctuation here]
I can. What I can't imagine is what would happen next. Who would sit in the oval office?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I am starting to hope the electoral college votes against him, but hope is a dangerous thing.

If they were to vote against any candidate, in violation of applicable Federal or state law (I think state law rules here) ... then they would be arrested.  I do think that there is some flexibility in how they vote, after the first round.

But never fear, there will be a coup de etat before then perhaps?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 04:23:11 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 02:55:56 PM
I can. What I can't imagine is what would happen next. Who would sit in the oval office?

Obama would declare dictatorship ... and de-citizen anyone who isn't a black-hispanic-asian-surnamed-transexual ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 02:55:56 PMI can. What I can't imagine is what would happen next. Who would sit in the oval office?
If Clinton were picked, she'd be so blindslided by it that she'd have no real gameplan at first.  She might even make a couple crazy cabinet picks in haste.  So basically, not much of a difference initially.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 04:42:37 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
If Clinton were picked, she'd be so blindslided by it that she'd have no real gameplan at first.  She might even make a couple crazy cabinet picks in haste.  So basically, not much of a difference initially.

Then the FBI does their nuclear option, all of her emails!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 10, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
If Clinton were picked, she'd be so blindslided by it that she'd have no real gameplan at first.  She might even make a couple crazy cabinet picks in haste.  So basically, not much of a difference initially.
I doubt it. She knows her way around stuff.
Let me clarify that I don't think that would happen, I am not that naive. But it would sure be nice.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 13, 2016, 06:36:51 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2016, 11:19:22 AM
I am starting to hope the electoral college votes against him, but hope is a dangerous thing.
I'd be interested to see how his supporters would react to such an eventuality, but I don't think they'd be very accepting of it.

I'm pretty sure it won't happen though, since the fix is in, and has been for a year or more.

If we even hold another "election" in four years I'll be surprised. I think we're that through.

But I'm a cynical pessimist, and so I may be biased toward the negative. And I really hope I'm wrong about how bad the next several years will be.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 13, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Fuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 13, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 13, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Fuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuck.

just what Jack Kennedy, and Bill Clinton ... have said a lot of times ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 14, 2016, 01:01:49 AM
Trigger-warning! Microaggression in progress.

Just think of the novelty. Your next president for a long time who wasn't bought by Arab petrodollars.

I read that Hillary was given by the Saudis 20% of her election budget which incidentally was $1.2 billion.Wasted.
Lots of donors are quite upset, I think. Will they ask their investment back?

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01381/obama_bow_1381505c.jpg) (http://www.subvertednation.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bush-saudi-king-249x300.jpg)

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on December 14, 2016, 01:28:19 AM
Oh, that makes it okay then.

I'll be sure to tell the LGBT community, women... don't feel like repeating this, you know who. I am sure they will all be ecstatic.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2016, 06:29:36 AM
Right ... are you assuming that straight people or men automatically support Trump's nominees?  Support and rejection cover all segments of society ... to say "it is all men, all women, all gays, all Blacks, all Whites etc" is DNC policy to division.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 14, 2016, 12:45:01 PM
Why have a two party system at all?
Dismantle the hated Republican party, just have the Democratic party.
Repeal amendment 22, have a tyrant for life, then you wont have any unpleasant surprises.
One man, one vote, one time.
Wait, don't bother with elections at all. Saves a lot

Just a thought.



Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 14, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Quote from: pr126 on December 14, 2016, 12:45:01 PM
Why have a two party system at all?
Dismantle the hated Republican party, just have the Democratic party.
Repeal amendment 22, have a tyrant for life, then you wont have any unpleasant surprises.
One man, one vote, one time.
Wait, don't bother with elections at all. Saves a lot

Just a thought.

I already told them they needed to be more Republican Roman than the Founding Fathers (of the US) ... have a senate, and have the senate elect a senior and junior consul ... that is what they were thinking of anyway, when the created the Pres/VP arrangement, in the context of Commander in Chief.  All of the Founding Fathers would have read Polybius, a Greek historian who was gaga over how wonderful the Roman government was.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 14, 2016, 07:52:01 PM
Fuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuuuuuuuu-uuuuuuu-ck
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
Chin up .. we can always hope that Trump's wife's astrologer is calling the shots ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on December 16, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Syphfester Stallbone for Chairman of the National Endowment of the Arts?

You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 12:52:56 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 16, 2016, 11:23:58 AM
Syphfester Stallbone for Chairman of the National Endowment of the Arts?

You gotta be fucking kidding me.

When you are President, you can pick your own people.  I suppose you want to choose who the senior executives at Exxon are too ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 16, 2016, 04:38:08 PM
Exxon doesn't pretend to be a democracy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 16, 2016, 06:15:28 PM
At least we now have a pretty good idea (if we didn't before...) of just what the Republicans want to accomplish:

Gingrich brags that Republicans are coming for everything FDR accomplished (https://thinkprogress.org/gingrich-brags-that-republicans-are-coming-for-everything-fdr-accomplished-28a1b1d46224#.fk2qsc7hp)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 16, 2016, 04:38:08 PM
Exxon doesn't pretend to be a democracy.

Neither should the US.  It is a corporatocracy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 06:52:08 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 16, 2016, 06:15:28 PM
At least we now have a pretty good idea (if we didn't before...) of just what the Republicans want to accomplish:

Gingrich brags that Republicans are coming for everything FDR accomplished (https://thinkprogress.org/gingrich-brags-that-republicans-are-coming-for-everything-fdr-accomplished-28a1b1d46224#.fk2qsc7hp)

Gingerich isn't much of a prophet.  He couldn't even tell his first two marriages were going to fail.

Yes, there are revanchists, still trying to reverse the mistakes of President Andrew Jackson.  Cheese/nut balls.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 17, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 16, 2016, 06:50:53 PM
Neither should the US.  It is a corporatocracy.
Oligarchy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 17, 2016, 11:41:39 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 17, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
Oligarchy.

Yes, we are a nation of country club, by country club, for country club.  I was born into that class, but my parents fell from grace, they weren't crooked enough to stay there.  But in Trump's class ... they not only are members of the country club, they own or build their own golf courses.  This is required for all royalty after King James brought his golf clubs with him from Edinburgh to London, when he moved from Scotland to England.

So, what are the stinking peasants up to, today?  Being caddies for the wealthy I suspect.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on December 18, 2016, 12:39:20 AM
what do i think of Trump???? How does a good old boy who is as dumb as a brick make it to 70 yrs? A better question would be did anybody vote for Trump because they thought he is smarter than they are?
The last time we had someone so unprepared become president was Harry Truman in the middle of WW2. (at least he admitted he was unprepared when he was chosen as VP). What did Truman get us? the cold war, by appointing scum to run the CIA and FBI he created problems and hatred around the world for the U.S. that we are still dealing with today. let's not forget he was sitting in the big chair. when all the generals on the ground; except the one in charge of the bomb, were telling him we didn't need to use it because Japan would fall in less than 2 weeks, Truman decided that we had to bomb Japan just to show Russia what we could do.

Truman got into office already hating Russia and quickly undermined all the work Roosevelt put into making a friendly relationship with Russia.

You watchin the tube? I think Trump is going into office with some hatred as well. and his brain is as small as Truman. It isn't a big stretch to think he will cause some kind of incident that will royally screw the U.S.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 20, 2016, 06:22:01 PM
This is why so many lawyers become politicians, I guess:


Lying sets up a liar's brain to lie more (https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/lying-sets-liars-brain-lie-more)

At least Chump's no lawyer, but he certainly seems quite the capable liar. Practice makes perfect...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2016, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: fencerider on December 18, 2016, 12:39:20 AM
what do i think of Trump???? How does a good old boy who is as dumb as a brick make it to 70 yrs? A better question would be did anybody vote for Trump because they thought he is smarter than they are?
The last time we had someone so unprepared become president was Harry Truman in the middle of WW2. (at least he admitted he was unprepared when he was chosen as VP). What did Truman get us? the cold war, by appointing scum to run the CIA and FBI he created problems and hatred around the world for the U.S. that we are still dealing with today. let's not forget he was sitting in the big chair. when all the generals on the ground; except the one in charge of the bomb, were telling him we didn't need to use it because Japan would fall in less than 2 weeks, Truman decided that we had to bomb Japan just to show Russia what we could do.

Truman got into office already hating Russia and quickly undermined all the work Roosevelt put into making a friendly relationship with Russia.

You watchin the tube? I think Trump is going into office with some hatred as well. and his brain is as small as Truman. It isn't a big stretch to think he will cause some kind of incident that will royally screw the U.S.

Truman had help, he had Churchill take him under his wing ;-)  Half of the government (including Truman) was opposed to siding with Stalin in the first place ... they did a bit of a policy coup circa Fall 1944 ... to get rid of the Red VP, and to replace the proposed plan (to keep post-war Germany in the Stone Age) with the more practical .. lets use Germany as a bulwark against Stalin.  That also stopped the The Werwolves.  Truman let an open door exist for escaping Nazis, and brought many war criminals to the US (his last name is German-American).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 20, 2016, 07:12:49 PM
Quote from: fencerider on December 18, 2016, 12:39:20 AM
what do i think of Trump???? How does a good old boy who is as dumb as a brick make it to 70 yrs? A better question would be did anybody vote for Trump because they thought he is smarter than they are?
All he'd have to do would be to say that he's the smartest person alive twenty times a day and that'd be enough for some people.

QuoteThe last time we had someone so unprepared become president was Harry Truman in the middle of WW2.
Imo, we've never had someone so unprepared, at least as far as I can tell.  He wasn't exactly a policy wonk (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283023-trump-my-voters-dont-care-about-lack-of-policy-specifics) on the campaign trail, which is typically a very bad sign.

QuoteTruman got into office already hating Russia and quickly undermined all the work Roosevelt put into making a friendly relationship with Russia.

You watchin the tube? I think Trump is going into office with some hatred as well. and his brain is as small as Truman. It isn't a big stretch to think he will cause some kind of incident that will royally screw the U.S.
We won't know that for sure until it happens, but yeah, I think that's likely.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: reasonist on December 21, 2016, 11:27:45 AM
With a little help from my friends...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/donkeyhotey/28512617446
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2016, 12:37:15 PM
Wouldn't work the other way ... Putin is buff, Trump is not.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: widdershins on December 21, 2016, 12:48:00 PM
Quote from: trdsf on November 11, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
I may be white and middle-aged, but I'm also a gay atheist, so I'm not in the *least* looking forward to the next four years (or however long it takes for him to do something so appalling even the GOP decides to impeach him... unfortunately, Pence is a homophobic  sack of shit so he's not going to be an improvement).

For the moment, I'm actually ashamed to be an American.  My country is supposed to be better than this.  And the next Trumpie who tells me that "Oh, he can't really believe all those horrible things he said" gets punched because they will also turn around and complain that Hillary "always lies".  So they went and voted for someone on the *hope* he was lying?  Fuck.
Isn't it amazing how this statement seems to come up when there's a Republican in office?  I remember saying it last when Bush was in office and legitimizing torture.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 21, 2016, 05:49:36 PM
If Reagan was considered "the Teflon president," I wonder what Chump's presidential nickname will be? Maybe "the quasicrystal president," or maybe even "the BAM president."

http://interestingengineering.com/bam-slipperiest-material-world/


QuoteBAM: Almost as hard as diamond while stealing the title for the world’s most slippery material ever created is more slippery than Teflon and makes components last many times  longer.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on December 21, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 20, 2016, 06:22:01 PM
This is why so many lawyers become politicians, I guess:


Lying sets up a liar's brain to lie more (https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/lying-sets-liars-brain-lie-more)

At least Chump's no lawyer, but he certainly seems quite the capable liar. Practice makes perfect...
Worse, he hires sleazy lawyers to lie for him. A sleazy lawyer may be a blood sucking leech, but they only do what they're paid to do. The people who hire the leeches are worse.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on December 21, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
I can only hope that Trump will be a one-term footnote footnote in history.  Like a Buchanan or Pierce.  A transitional anomaly...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 22, 2016, 06:41:14 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on December 21, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
I can only hope that Trump will be a one-term footnote footnote in history.  Like a Buchanan or Pierce.  A transitional anomaly...

Don't diss Buchanan, he was our first gay President ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on December 26, 2016, 12:45:29 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 22, 2016, 06:41:14 AM
Don't diss Buchanan, he was our first gay President ;-)

Buchanan ignored the financial depression of 1857, ignored the obvious signs of Southern secessionism and did nothing, and refused to support Federal forts in southern States, leading to a perception of governmental weakness that to the Civil War.

That's enough to "dis" him.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 30, 2016, 11:57:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEYN9Pj9wK4

As someone who's mildly computer literate, this really annoys me.  Granted, he's 70 so I don't expect him to be super familiar with the series of tubes that is the interwebs, but god damn, this is some Dubya-level crap right here.

I'm not even sure I could translate it to basic english if my life depended on it.  If someone held me over a bridge and told me to paraphrase what Trump was talking about in that clip or they'd drop me, my best bet would be to try to grow wings.

And people from other countries look at this guy as a representative of Americans in general.  This is the face of America to those people.  Holy shit.

Granted, a reporter asked Hillary about wiping her server and she feigns ignorance and asks if the reporter meant "like with a cloth or something?" so I guess neither option would super great.  But when I hear her speak, she doesn't come across as such an ignoramus that I start to worry that she might confuse the nuke button with the computer power button.  Trump kinda gives off that impression.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 07:15:23 AM
"she feigns ignorance" ... bwahah!  I haven't met an executive leader yet who could find their own way to the executive rest room (they have to ask their secretary)  But the leader of my work place ... doesn't need to know about computers ... she has an IT department for that.  Fortunately the CIO knows a thing or two (he isn't me).  The CIO is smart enough to delegate to me those things he doesn't care about, or know about ... that he knows from experience I can deal with for him.  That way the executive can deal with the things she needs to deal with (usually having to do with leading others to do their jobs).

So is someone stupid if they drive a car, but aren't their own auto mechanic?  Both Trump and Hillary are executives, and both are attempting to be leaders (and failing badly).  You could have had Gary Johnson, but noo ...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 09:48:40 AM
I'm coining a new phrase: "Trump-Chump," for anyone who supports or voted for Donald Trump.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 09:48:40 AM
I'm coining a new phrase: "Trump-Chump," for anyone who supports or voted for Donald Trump.

That's fine ... but I am a Johnson Jingo thanks very much ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 10:06:25 AM
That's fine ... but I am a Johnson Jingo thanks very much ;-)
Or maybe a Johnson-"Johnson." Either way it spells DICK. :raspberries:
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on December 31, 2016, 11:14:21 AM
Trumpophobia?

https://youtu.be/Iim-m0Az77Y
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 11:27:37 AM
Old news.  Rioting is hard work, and the snowflakes aren't interested in hard work ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
Or maybe a Johnson-"Johnson." Either way it spells DICK. :raspberries:

Well at least I didn't vote for Bernie nor Elizabeth nor Jill.  They all turned out to be closet Clinton-Koch suckers ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
Well at least I didn't vote for Bernie nor Elizabeth nor Jill.  They all turned out to be closet Clinton-Koch suckers ;-(
I would hardly equate Clinton with Koch(The Koch brothers are Republican), but anyway, we all know Hillary has no skills in that area, thus Monica.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 31, 2016, 11:58:02 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I would hardly equate Clinton with Koch(The Koch brothers are Republican), but anyway, we all know Hillary has no skills in that area, thus Monica.
I know this was meant to be funny, but...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 11:59:15 AM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I would hardly equate Clinton with Koch(The Koch brothers are Republican), but anyway, we all know Hillary has no skills in that area, thus Monica.

Recent Republican Presidents ... Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Barak Obama ...

Warmongering and Wall Street mongering isn't Democrat.  Barak's Democrat bonafides are as good as his Nobel Peace Prize ;-)

Who suggested to Donald Trump, that he should run for President ... drumroll please ... Bill Clinton.  You have all been had.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on December 31, 2016, 11:58:02 AM
I know this was meant to be funny, but...
It seemed like the level in the room.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I would hardly equate Clinton with Koch(The Koch brothers are Republican), but anyway, we all know Hillary has no skills in that area, thus Monica.

My suspicion is ... Hillary prefers Ms Abedin ... once you have been under the burkah, there is no going back ;-)  Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 12:04:11 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
It seemed like the level in the room.

A tilted room?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb_X91HU-Pw ... a typical Democrat household ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on December 31, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
The Kochs financed a lot of 2016 republican campaigns...

Hydra I think what the guy said in your DonRump video was that he doesn't know anything about computers so he's going to talk to Congress who also doesnt know anything about computers
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
Government is like a computer ... garbage in, garbage out ;-))

The plutocracy finances both sides, just in case the election isn't as controlled as they hope.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on December 31, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 12:00:42 PM
It seemed like the level in the room.
An excellent point.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 01, 2017, 03:55:20 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
Government is like a computer ... garbage in, garbage out ;-))

The plutocracy finances both sides, just in case the election isn't as controlled as they hope.

Jail the plutocrats...  Assumption of bribery...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 03, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Quote from: Baruch on November 25, 2016, 11:16:24 AM
You think any President has ever been a scientist?

Jimmy Carter trained for nuclear engineering.  Hoover had a degree in geology.  And Thomas Jefferson did a fair amount of noodling around in the sciences, particularly archaeology and mathematics, and served as president of the American Philosophical Society, which was the leading scientific association of the day.

So yes.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on January 03, 2017, 11:49:12 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 01, 2017, 03:55:20 AM
Jail the plutocrats...  Assumption of bribery...
Jail?

As long as we name this "jail":

(https://assets.merriam-webster.com/mw/images/gallery/gal-home-edpick-lg/top-10-words-from-peoples-names-guillotine-251@1x.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 03, 2017, 12:11:15 PM
https://youtu.be/eNV_uMAR7Eo
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2017, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 03, 2017, 11:41:52 AM
Jimmy Carter trained for nuclear engineering.  Hoover had a degree in geology.  And Thomas Jefferson did a fair amount of noodling around in the sciences, particularly archaeology and mathematics, and served as president of the American Philosophical Society, which was the leading scientific association of the day.

So yes.

So when any of those three guys run for office again (don't forget Benjamin Franklin) ... vote early, vote often ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason78 on January 03, 2017, 01:27:47 PM
Quote from: Rob4you on November 11, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
The new president of USA

Tbh, they only had two good songs, Lump and Peaches.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 03, 2017, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on December 31, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I would hardly equate Clinton with Koch(The Koch brothers are Republican), but anyway, we all know Hillary has no skills in that area, thus Monica.

I heard Lewinsky wanted to move to Cuba 'cause Castro had bigger cigars (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/09/what_exactly_is_the_cigar_story.html)...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 04, 2017, 05:14:32 AM
I need to go to the toilet and squeeze a Trump out of my rectum. It needs to be flushed.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 04, 2017, 05:54:01 AM
Gawd, this thread... :lol:
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 04, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 04, 2017, 05:54:01 AM
Gawd, this thread... :lol:

Americans hate each other, and are sore losers.  I don't mind that my candidate lost, and I don't hate anyone (a former opponent might be a future ally).  Now excuse me while I go hide for in my "safe space".
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 04, 2017, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 04, 2017, 06:27:53 AM
Americans hate each other, and are sore losers.

There was a horse called Broad Brush that I wagered on once upon a time, which went off at 16 to 1 on the tote board. It beat out 2 former Kentucky Derby winners, Ferdinand and Snow Chief, and I actually handicapped the race correctly and picked Broad Brush!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAEZ-QRAts8


So I'm a bit partial to broad brushes, but not when I and my fellow Americans are painted with one.


Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 04, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 12, 2016, 01:32:13 AM
Imagine for a second if Sarah Palin were President.  Now strip away her political experience and give her even more outrageous quotes.  We're talking repugnant to the point that big names in the Republican Party have openly criticized her.  Now imagine she gets to name not only a Cabinet but also at least one Supreme Court justice.

But much better looking (8 years ago) than The Donald ;-)

Unbeliever - without overgeneralization, people have nothing to talk about ;-)  I am not a sore loser, and I don't hate anyone ... so per Not A True Scotsman ... I can't be a real American ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 04, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
Trump dismisses US intelligence agencies.  When he fails in the first crisis, maybe he will learn.  Maybe it will take 2 crises. Or 3.  How many can we afford?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hakurei Reimu on January 05, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
He managed to bankrupt himself 6 times. That is, he failed to learn the first five times, and may not have learned the sixth. I'm not hopeful.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2017, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 04, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
Trump dismisses US intelligence agencies.  When he fails in the first crisis, maybe he will learn.  Maybe it will take 2 crises. Or 3.  How many can we afford?

That is assuming they are legit.  If the Dallas conspiracy is true (and Congress admitted to it in the 1970s) ... then a defenestration is in order ... or we can stop voting, and just have the CIA install a Fearless Leader.  Everyone fails in their first crisis, including George W and Barak ... genius, both of them.

Per the spooks, who are paranoid by profession, only WW III and the elimination of all enemies (most of humanity) can get the US to a safe space.  That price is too high.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2017, 12:56:28 PM
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 05, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
He managed to bankrupt himself 6 times. That is, he failed to learn the first five times, and may not have learned the sixth. I'm not hopeful.

Experience is better than good luck.  He may do better as President, than as a businessman.  This was true of Truman.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 05, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
If you want to really be scared, just remember this: Congress has just told him he can govern by tweet, in the haste with which they backed down from their proposed ethics office rules.  Never mind that it was (inexplicably) the right thing to do, they have told the bully that they are willing to be bullied.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 05, 2017, 04:37:02 PM
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 05, 2017, 10:20:43 AMHe managed to bankrupt himself 6 times.
Technically, his companies went bankrupt (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/21/hillary-clinton/yep-donald-trumps-companies-have-declared-bankrupt/), not him.  And a lot of those were tied to the struggling Atlantic City gambling industry.

But yeah, he's not all that great of a businessman.  In fact, his main skill seems to be marketing.  He might've made money as a businessman, but his true wealth was made by selling his name.

Ultimately, the businessman angle is irrelevant.  It wouldn't matter if he was the best CEO on the planet - being President is an entirely different ballgame.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2017, 07:11:56 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 05, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
If you want to really be scared, just remember this: Congress has just told him he can govern by tweet, in the haste with which they backed down from their proposed ethics office rules.  Never mind that it was (inexplicably) the right thing to do, they have told the bully that they are willing to be bullied.

Congress has been chicken shit for 2000 years, except to President Andrew Johnson, and President Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2017, 07:26:37 AM
When Trumpette is sworn in he will be the Establishment. I'm going have fun watching him drain his own swamp.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 06, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
More fun, I suppose, than watching him drain his own lizard...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 06, 2017, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2017, 07:26:37 AM
When Trumpette is sworn in he will be the Establishment. I'm going have fun watching him drain his own swamp.

Opposite impossible problem, to boot-strapping yourself upward.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 06, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 06, 2017, 02:14:11 PM
More fun, I suppose, than watching him drain his own lizard...

Some contortionists can auto-fellatio.  I suspect some politicians can do that too.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on January 07, 2017, 01:55:26 AM
oh yes donald trump barnkruptcy artist. so history is repeating. last dunce in the big chair Harry Truman bankrupted every biz he tried to start before a rich friend of the family got him chosen as a senator. I dont think liquidating Trump Tower will be enough to offset the disaster of DonRump sitting in the big chair
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2017, 09:39:53 AM
Quote from: fencerider on January 07, 2017, 01:55:26 AM
oh yes donald trump barnkruptcy artist. so history is repeating. last dunce in the big chair Harry Truman bankrupted every biz he tried to start before a rich friend of the family got him chosen as a senator. I dont think liquidating Trump Tower will be enough to offset the disaster of DonRump sitting in the big chair

I would take Truman back in an Independence Missouri minute!  And Ike ... I Like Ike!  You simply have no taste in corrupt politicians (they are all corrupt).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on January 07, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
i know, i know. corruption is a job requirement for politicians.

and getting rid of Trump by impeachment isnt gonna change much. we might go from someone wrecking things because he doesnt know what he is doing to someone wrecking things that does know what he is doing. is it worse to have president Trump or president Pence?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 07, 2017, 09:18:28 PM
Quote from: fencerider on January 07, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
i know, i know. corruption is a job requirement for politicians.

and getting rid of Trump by impeachment isnt gonna change much. we might go from someone wrecking things because he doesnt know what he is doing to someone wrecking things that does know what he is doing. is it worse to have president Trump or president Pence?
Pence is a homophobic cunt.  Trump is a bigoted cunt.  Either way, we're stuck with a cunt.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 08, 2017, 02:35:37 AM
Keith Olbermann Has A Message To Share With Your Trump-Supporting Friends

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/keith-olbermann-trump-supporters_us_586f0eede4b02b5f858825ca

Short video. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 03:59:58 AM
Negative advocacy ranting ... not convincing at all.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 08, 2017, 04:17:18 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 03:59:58 AM
Negative advocacy ranting ... not convincing at all.

OK. What is it that he is trying to convince people and why is he not convincing?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 03:59:58 AM
Negative advocacy ranting ... not convincing at all.
Of course not to you.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 08, 2017, 10:57:11 AM
(http://img.memecdn.com/Haters-Gonna-Hate_o_105051.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
QuoteRe: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Suddenly, survivalism makes sense.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
Suddenly, survivalism makes sense.

The Left was planning on exterminating the Right ... but you can't do that, without destroying the common person who lies between both hands.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Of course not to you.

Why is this the worst of all possible worlds to you, oh anti-Leibniz?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:15:46 AM
Quote from: pr126 on January 08, 2017, 10:57:11 AM
Image of bearded young man in fox skin

Should be a wolf skin, not a fox skin.  Ancient Roman ephebes wore wolf skins when they went into battle, it was their totem.  Something about Romulus and Remus I think ;-)  Nothing like Romans hating you, just ask Carthage.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:18:39 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 08, 2017, 04:17:18 AM
OK. What is it that he is trying to convince people and why is he not convincing?

Olberman?  Ranting much.  If you don't have something nice to say, STFU.  If you want to convince many people, go negative.  But it doesn't work on me ... it just identifies person X as enemy of person Y.  Trump should send Olberman et al to Guantanamo.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
The Left was planning on exterminating the Right ... but you can't do that, without destroying the common person who lies between both hands.
That's not a problem, I'm working with Hard Left and Hard Right. The moof-milkers in the middle never count.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 11:40:40 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 11:14:17 AM
Why is this the worst of all possible worlds to you, oh anti-Leibniz?
There are worlds much worse than this--and you know that.  Trump has put us on a path down toward a much worst world. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 11:40:40 AM
There are worlds much worse than this--and you know that.  Trump has put us on a path down toward a much worst world.

Yes, people who aren't religious or even Jewish think they are prophets ;-)  Just admit you are a pessimist, and get some therapy.  Particularly work on your sense of omniscience ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: BettaPonic on January 08, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
I will be honest. I have grown indifferent to a a Trump presdidency.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2017, 07:07:18 AM
Quote from: BettaPonic on January 08, 2017, 07:02:32 PM
I will be honest. I have grown indifferent to a a Trump presdidency.

You get A+ for sanity, unless you are one of his cabinet nominees ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sal1981 on January 11, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Reactionary forces got Trump elected president.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 11, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/938096fd825f9b33c6223608d347b981.png)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 11, 2017, 05:15:49 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 08, 2017, 10:24:57 AM
Of course not to you.





(http://www.brunswick.k12.me.us/hdwyer/files/2012/11/brin216l.png)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 11, 2017, 08:03:58 PM
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 11, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
Reactionary forces got Trump elected president.

They had something to react against ... the sans culottes need to put on pants.  We are tired of watching their nakedness.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 12, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2017, 08:03:58 PM
They had something to react against ... the sans culottes need to put on pants.  We are tired of watching their nakedness.

What do you mean "we" paleface?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2017, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
What do you mean "we" paleface?

The Media is basically a social medium for voyeurism.  I only like certain kinds of nakedness ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 13, 2017, 06:21:24 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
What do you mean "we" paleface?
He means everybody in Baruchistan.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 14, 2017, 04:06:22 AM
https://youtu.be/GzGqfN2q2QE
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 14, 2017, 08:53:08 AM
In the utter hypocrisy category:

QuoteI have opened this tread for discussion about the man who will Make America Great Again, the future 45th President of the United States.

God bless America and save the President!

Please, consider this #1 post as a placeholder. More text is to follow.

May I ask those who do not endorse Trump to be considerate, at least for the 1st 100 days of his presidency.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GXHMppAZBuA/TJEoXd6rLjI/AAAAAAAAADM/kjgWN50QJPw/s320/bs_meter.gif)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on January 14, 2017, 12:19:10 PM
Somehow I have a feeling that if someone plants a bullet between the ears of the tiny handed one that someone will be heralded as a true patriot in due time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 12:41:20 PM
Perhaps disappointed voters should routinely take matters into their own tiny hands?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hg9mvE1FA4

Hell to pay!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 14, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
Quote from: pr126 on January 14, 2017, 04:06:22 AM
https://youtu.be/GzGqfN2q2QE

I'll be the first to admit I didn't see his actual election to president coming.
But whatever. It is what it is.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 14, 2017, 07:27:36 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 14, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
I'll be the first to admit I didn't see his actual election to president coming.
But whatever. It is what it is.
Same here.  My roommate compared his surprise win to The Mule from the Foundation Series.  The Foundation could use a hand from the Second Foundation asap.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 14, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 14, 2017, 08:53:08 AM
In the utter hypocrisy category:
Quote
God bless America and save the President!

Please, consider this #1 post as a placeholder. More text is to follow.

May I ask those who do not endorse Trump to be considerate, at least for the 1st 100 days of his presidency.
Yeah.  He gets from me all the courtesy, respect and coöperation the Repubs gave President Obama.

You can imagine how much that means I think The Asshole should get.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 14, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 14, 2017, 07:27:36 PM
Same here.  My roommate compared his surprise win to The Mule from the Foundation Series.  The Foundation could use a hand from the Second Foundation asap.

The Foundation are Deep State fascists.  Unpredictability is good for the market and for freedom.  Slaves and monopoly are much more predictable.  Scientific historical prediction works, if your Deep State manipulates things to work out the way "predicted", as the Atreides did on Dune.  It is magic.  You didn't mean the Clinton Foundation did you?  They are now laying off everyone (the money has gotten to the Cayman Islands) as its immediate plans are to shutter its doors now that it has completed its true Mission Accomplished.  It is magic, just like the fiat money people clamor for.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 01:56:45 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 11, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
He'll be the death of the GOP.
People said the same about Reagan and GW Bush.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 17, 2017, 05:03:43 PM
A Taxonomy of Trump Tweets (http://www.wnyc.org/story/taxonomy-trump-tweets/)
QuoteAs we all know, Donald Trump's tweets have become a potent force in our new era. On the one hand, a single tweet can cripple opponents, activate supporters, move markets, and subsume the news cycle. On the other, they're a window into Trump's wee-hours, unfiltered id. But when his tweets are full of half-truths, distortions, and often bold-faced lies, should journalists treat them as normal presidential utterances, or something else? Cognitive linguist George Lakoff believes that the press must understand how Trump uses language if we're to responsibly report on his tweets, not just magnify their misinformation. He talks with Brooke about the categories he's come up with for thinking about Trump tweets.




https://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/14/1620543/--On-the-Media-takes-on-Trump-s-tweets


QuoteGeorge Lakoff, a cognitive linguist, on the taxonomy of Trump’s tweets â€" in other words, how to analyze the techniques Trump uses in his tweets.

Lakoff identifies these Trump tweeting techniques:
•Pre-emptive framing
•Diversion
•Trial Balloon
•Deflection
•Arguing from the specific to the general
•Direct vs. systemic causation

Lakoff advises journalists to handle Trump’s tweets by telling the truth first, then mentioning and dissecting the tweet, and, finally, continuing to go back to the substance and truth.


It seems to me that the whole "fake news" meme has been purposely foisted on America precisely as a form of this very "pre-emptive framing" that Lakoff discusses. If, for example, Russia (or anyone else) really did have some compromising information on The Donald, all he has to do now is call it fake news repeatedly, and just keep on keeping on, because it's already in America's mind set. Whatever damning news comes out about him it will all be called fake news and dismissed out of hand.

We have at least 4 years of this sort of thing to look forward to.


Apparently we also have years of ad hominem attacks to look forward to, since that seems to be the only way the Narcissist-in-Chief can defend himself or any of his positions.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 17, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
With His Choice Of Inauguration Prayer Leaders, Trump Shows His Values (http://www.npr.org/2017/01/13/509558608/with-his-choice-of-inauguration-prayer-leaders-trump-shows-his-values)



QuoteThe six faith leaders President-elect Donald Trump has invited to pray at his inauguration come from diverse backgrounds, but they have something in common: All have personal ties to Trump or his family or have in some way signaled their approval of him, his politics or his wealth.



When these folks pray it's only a form of giving a speech and calling it "prayer." I bet they have to practice in front of mirrors just like anyone else who gives an important speech.


(http://cdn1.relevantmediagroup.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_header/public/field/image/Prosperity.jpg?itok=uEJQcSLT)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c0/b7/22/c0b7220071dc1d4ba0a10c4734dcd73b.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 17, 2017, 05:53:39 PM
I focus on Trump's use of Internet, like Twitter, to demolish the MSM.  The MSM is so 1960s ... time to put them on an ice raft in the Arctic Ocean.

See, if you are going to be lied to anyway, he may as well do it himself, and cut out the middle man, including Fox.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 17, 2017, 06:03:03 PM
Yeah, we can certainly forget about freedom of the press. We'll never again have any of that. I expect to lose the rest of the first amendment as well. In fact, the only portion of the Constitution we won't lose is the 2nd amendment.



Also, there's the psychology of the narcissist-in-Chief:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/



http://www.shrinktank.com/psychologists-analysis-donald-trump/
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 17, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
Anyone who wants to be Emperor of the Known Universe ... is narcissist, and has to deal with Muad' Dib ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqX3VXOaiIU
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 04:22:46 PM
We're worried about the environment, as well we should be.
We're worried about criminal justice, as well we should be.
We're worried about healthcare, as well we should be.

But...


The coming administration brings with it a grave danger of Dominionist theocracy:


President-Elect Trump Promises Christian Theocracy (http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/11/president-elect-trump-promises-christian-theocracy/)


Neocons, War Criminals & White Nationalists: Jeremy Scahill on Trump's Incoming Advisers & Cabinet (https://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/21/neocons_war_criminals_white_nationalists_jeremy)


Blackwater's Prince Has GOP, Christian Group Ties (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14659780)


Onward Christian Cabinet: Trump’s White House Picks Are a Christmas Gift for the Religious Right (http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.758733)


In thy name of God - Prince, DeVos and Mike Pence, the coming American Theocracy (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/24/1603902/-In-thy-name-of-God-Prince-DeVos-and-Mike-Pence-the-coming-American-Theocracy)


Mike Pence Will Be the Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in U.S. History (https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/mike-pence-will-be-the-most-powerful-christian-supremacist-in-us-history/)


I will not live on my knees! I truly hope America can get through this, but the religious right is primed and ready to commit all-out war on the secular nation - and that means us, people!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 05:39:53 PM
Hell, as long as I'm making silly predictions, I might as well state that I fully expect America and Russia to team up for a war against China, sometime in the next 4 years.


I sure hope I'm full of shit...






Just remember, you heard it hear first.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 06:05:02 PM
Trump’s Biggest Lie: ‘I’m The Most Militaristic Person’ In This Race (http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/17/trumps-biggest-lie-im-the-most-militaristic-person-in-this-race/)


If he's really as militaristic as he claims to be, the whole world is in big trouble, not just America!






On a lighter note, I think we'll soon have to invent a lot more superlatives, since Chump will run out of them soon...




(http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Getty_superlative-154954029.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2017, 06:55:55 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 05:39:53 PM
Hell, as long as I'm making silly predictions, I might as well state that I fully expect America and Russia to team up for a war against China, sometime in the next 4 years.


I sure hope I'm full of shit...

Three way is very stable.  The US plays the Russia Card, the Russians play the China Card, the Chinese play the US Card ... just like Yu-Gi-Oh!






Just remember, you heard it hear first.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 06:05:02 PM

If he's really as militaristic as he claims to be, the whole world is in big trouble, not just America!

On a lighter note, I think we'll soon have to invent a lot more superlatives, since Chump will run out of them soon...


Obama just sent more Nato troops to the border with Russia ... damn pacifist! ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 10:14:52 AM
Trump proposes Communist-style military parades.

America does NOT parade its military hardware, Trump. That's what dictators do.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2017/01/18/trump-proposes-military-parades-in-dc/
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
24 hours to go, and the great rape of America will begin.

Kiss goodbye to your freedom.
Kiss goodbye to your money.
Kiss goodbye to your health.
Kiss goodbye to your equality.
Kiss goodbye to your livelihood.
Kiss goodbye to everything you hold dear.

The Republicans are coming to steal them all.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 18, 2017, 05:39:53 PM
Hell, as long as I'm making silly predictions, I might as well state that I fully expect America and Russia to team up for a war against China, sometime in the next 4 years.
Living in Taiwan, this makes me shit some bricks.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 19, 2017, 01:57:44 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
24 hours to go, and the great rape of America will begin.

Kiss goodbye to your freedom.
Kiss goodbye to your money.
Kiss goodbye to your health.
Kiss goodbye to your equality.
Kiss goodbye to your livelihood.
Kiss goodbye to everything you hold dear.

The Republicans are coming to steal them all.

https://youtu.be/O5zGkqAWsWE
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 19, 2017, 02:59:15 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 01:16:42 PM
Living in Taiwan, this makes me shit some bricks.
There have been some worrying barbs exchanged between Trump and China with China preparing to retaliate to a possible trade war (http://www.businessinsider.com/china-says-its-ready-to-hit-back-if-trump-starts-a-trade-war-2017-1).  Whoever was idiot enough to think that a Trump administration would ease tensions with other countries is in for a rude awakening.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
It's not like we're going to wake up Saturday morning and suddenly find we're now living in a theocracy. The religious right has already been heating the water in which the frog sits, it's just that now they'll turn the heat way up. We may not even notice the next few incremental steps taken, but after a certain point the frog won't be able to jump out of the pot, and it'll be boiled until the meat falls off the bones.


I also expect that sometime during the next 4 years either we will use nukes or we will push our enemies to use them. After all, we've always been at war with East Asia...






And besides, Chump's not going to be America's president, he'll be the CEO of America, inc., so he'll do whatever he thinks is good for profit, just like any other capitalist CEO.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUrPvUHQqAU
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 19, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 01:56:45 AM
People said the same about Reagan and GW Bush.
"You know that cancer people get well from when they have it? I ain't got that kind."
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 15, 2017, 01:56:45 AM
People said the same about Reagan and GW Bush.
Third time's the charm?



(https://encourageupliftandinspire.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/quotation-sarah-dessen-life-right-charm-time-meetville-quotes-74359.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/10vz8e.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 05:24:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3xL8K74Tkw
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 03:12:08 PM
It's not like we're going to wake up Saturday morning and suddenly find we're now living in a theocracy. The religious right has already been heating the water in which the frog sits, it's just that now they'll turn the heat way up. We may not even notice the next few incremental steps taken, but after a certain point the frog won't be able to jump out of the pot, and it'll be boiled until the meat falls off the bones.

I also expect that sometime during the next 4 years either we will use nukes or we will push our enemies to use them. After all, we've always been at war with East Asia...

And besides, Chump's not going to be America's president, he'll be the CEO of America, inc., so he'll do whatever he thinks is good for profit, just like any other capitalist CEO.

I have had frog legs.  Not much to-do about.  Maybe voters legs will be better? ;-)  Been waiting for flash fried Americans my whole life.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/10vz8e.jpg)

After lax security by Podesta and DNC (and probably Hillary) led to it being posted there ;-)  No need to hack President Trump ... he puts his thoughts right out there on Twitter.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 19, 2017, 02:59:15 PM
There have been some worrying barbs exchanged between Trump and China with China preparing to retaliate to a possible trade war (http://www.businessinsider.com/china-says-its-ready-to-hit-back-if-trump-starts-a-trade-war-2017-1).  Whoever was idiot enough to think that a Trump administration would ease tensions with other countries is in for a rude awakening.

Give him a Nobel Peace Prize freebie and everything will be all right ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
I'm wearing black today in mourning for American freedom.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 19, 2017, 09:34:11 PM
I'm wearing black today in mourning for American freedom.

You should be doing that for the coup-de-etat led by Washington and Franklin against the Articles of Confederation ;-)  The current Constitution originated as part of a coup.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on January 20, 2017, 01:44:24 AM
tommorrow the guy with less brains in his head than the average 16 yr old working at mc donalds, is gonna sit in the big chair.

short evaluation: the biggest security threat to the U.S. is Donald Trump. hope we can get off this ride in one piece.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 06:05:33 AM
Many of my cousins are refusing to believe they put an immigrant in the White House. This is going to be a sadistic kind of fun for the next four years.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 07:12:46 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 06:05:33 AM
Many of my cousins are refusing to believe they put an immigrant in the White House. This is going to be a sadistic kind of fun for the next four years.

They do what they want.  The CIA doth protest too much.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 07:12:46 AM
They do what they want.  The CIA doth protest too much.
Once again, please, but rationally?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 20, 2017, 03:27:33 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
Been waiting for flash fried Americans my whole life.

Yeah, unlike Bernard Baruch, who tried to keep The Bomb out of anyone's hands but America's.



Different Baruch, I guess...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 20, 2017, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 19, 2017, 09:48:18 PM
You should be doing that for the coup-de-etat led by Washington and Franklin against the Articles of Confederation ;-)  The cucoup d' etatrrent Constitution originated as part of a coup.
There's been a coup d' etat all right - a corporate coup d' etat. With Exxon's CEO in the state department, they'll have America, inc.'s whole military apparatus to help them make even more money. And Chump wants to beef that military up even more than it already is.

Trump on Tillerson: "He Goes into a Country, Takes the Oil, Goes into Another Country…" (https://www.democracynow.org/2017/1/18/headlines/trump_on_tillerson_he_goes_into_a_country_takes_the_oil_goes_into_another_country)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 06:47:21 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
Once again, please, but rationally?

US Historian Who Works For The CIA says ... there is no such thing as the CIA.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 07:29:17 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 06:47:21 PM
US Historian Who Works For The CIA says ... there is no such thing as the CIA.
I worked for No Such Agency.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 20, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
Just for the record, I want Trump to be a decent President and pursue a relatively moderate platform compared to the platform he staked out during the primaries and general election.

I don't want him to fail.  And I certainly don't want America to suffer as a result of bad policy.

I hope Trump does well.  I really do.  In fact, I hope he does such a great job that he earns my re-election vote.  And I support non-Republicans like Bernie Sanders working together with him towards common goals.

That said, Trump's statements and appointments don't exactly inspire confidence.  If and when this White House stint goes horribly, horribly wrong, just remember my position and remember the position the Republicans took 6 years ago (http://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on January 20, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 20, 2017, 08:49:02 PM
Just for the record, I want Trump to be a decent President and pursue a relatively moderate platform compared to the platform he staked out during the primaries and general election.

I don't want him to fail.  And I certainly don't want America to suffer as a result of bad policy.

I hope Trump does well.  I really do.  In fact, I hope he does such a great job that he earns my re-election vote.  And I support non-Republicans like Bernie Sanders working together with him towards common goals.

That said, Trump's statements and appointments don't exactly inspire confidence.  If and when this White House stint goes horribly, horribly wrong, just remember my position and remember the position the Republicans took 6 years ago (http://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311).
Trump will be a great president.  If you are a CEO of a corp he likes.  And that has helped him.  He will run this country as he has run his businesses.  He has one goal in mind--make money.  All those that help him, are rewarded.  Those who don't are not rewarded--and if he really thinks you are against him, the he goes for revenge 10 times over.  I don't think he has a particularly repub or conservative social bent, but he just really doesn't care.  Pence helped him, swallowed what Pence has purported as his morals and Trump will now support him and his agenda as a reward.  If you help him he will reward you; if you stand in his way, he will do his best to destroy you.  If he bankrupts the country, it will not affect him in the least--just like his company bankruptcies did not personally hurt him either.  He will spend money on the military because it is a reward to those corps that helped him--big oil and all those that make money in the time of war or build up to war. 

After four years I hope I am so fucking wrong that you label me as crazy.  I really, really hope so.  But I have this horrid feeling that the next four years will be very, very difficult.  And the left over damage will make Bush look like Abe Lincoln.     
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 20, 2017, 07:29:17 PM
I worked for No Such Agency.

That is what you expect them to say ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 21, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
Trump's coronation crowd pales in comparison to Obama's inauguration crowd in 2009. But Trump and his propagandists are trying and failing to lie about it, claiming it was the yugest ever.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38707722

Meanwhile, there have been massive anti-Trump protests across the US and even around the world. The protests in DC even dwarfed Trump's coronation crowd.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38705586

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
Too bad neither Bernie nor Hillary could draw crowds that big, before the election.  Not saying Trump did all that well either.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 22, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
That is what you expect them to say ;-))
I said it for years.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 22, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 22, 2017, 10:11:45 AM
I said it for years.

What?  That the CIA are Eagle Scouts?  Surely the opposite.  Jason Bourne, all of them.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 22, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 22, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
What?  That the CIA are Eagle Scouts?  Surely the opposite.  Jason Bourne, all of them.
You just don't listen or deliberately wander into the Elysian Fields?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 23, 2017, 12:10:25 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 22, 2017, 09:12:45 PM
You just don't listen or deliberately wander into the Elysian Fields?

Some people make Shaolin responses, and when I don't get it, they think I am not ready to leave the monastery.  Sorry Master, I am still unable to snatch that pebble out of your hand ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 23, 2017, 12:46:12 AM
The new "administration" (cough) has been engaging in an out-and-out campaign of lies. "Alternative facts" they call it now.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, they proudly claim that the turnout at the coronation was the yugest in history, and the protest marches over the weekend were rallies of support for Trump.

Even the Wall Street Urinal has called them out about it.

Fascism has come to America.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 23, 2017, 07:11:59 AM
The media, some of them, have pointed out that large protest crowds are normal with a new President in office, including 2009.  So the king is dead, long live the king.

Unless people do something productive, after they get home from their protest ... like do the hard work of forming a third party, or reforming the two old ones ... they we are just watching exhibitionism ... as voyeurs.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 23, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
What do I think of DT?

Pure, unadulterated evil. Corrupt, deceitful, loathsome. The Devil incarnate.

I would piss on his head, but I think he'd like it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 23, 2017, 03:55:52 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 23, 2017, 07:11:59 AM
The media, some of them, have pointed out that large protest crowds are normal with a new President in office, including 2009.  So the king is dead, long live the king.
These are the most massive protests in US history. People were pissed off when Bush stole the 2000 election, and the right-wingers were all having the vapors when a black man became president, but there was nothing like this. This is unpresidented (sic).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 23, 2017, 06:58:42 PM
I'm not saying America is done for, but if it was a router, it'd be sending out syslog severity 1 messages right now.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 23, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 23, 2017, 12:10:25 AM
Some people make Shaolin responses, and when I don't get it, they think I am not ready to leave the monastery.  Sorry Master, I am still unable to snatch that pebble out of your hand ;-(
"Keep your hands away from my snatch"? Got it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 05:50:21 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 23, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
"Keep your hands away from my snatch"? Got it.

Sorry, but I didn't vote for Trump.  A gentleman would never say what he says, and I am a gentleman.  I always ask before I grab your pussy.
Title: A Manifesto
Post by: trdsf on January 24, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
One: Donald Trump deserves as much respect as the Republicans gave President Obama over the last eight years. To wit: I am perfectly within my rights to refer to him as “The Asshole” or “President Asshole” or “He’s Not My President” or “Fuck him, he didn’t really win” or any derogatory term of my choice.

Two: Pursuant to that, I am free to question his legitimacy at will - especially since he lost the popular vote, and not by a small margin.

Three: Taking into account the fact that Republicans lost the popular vote for the Presidency, and lost seats in the House, and lost seats in the Senate, any claims of a “mandate” may be met with uproarious laughter, followed by derision of the idiot daring to claim a “mandate”.

Four: I am free to disclaim any claims of “alternative facts”. Facts are facts. They are not to be confused with opinions. If your opinions are at variance with the facts, the problem is with your opinions, not with the facts.

Five: If you don’t like it, fuck you. I don’t care about your pathetic little “feelings”. Your feelings are bullshit if they run counter to demonstrable facts.

Six: I refuse to listen to complaints that the “media is trying to delegitimise Trump’s presidency” from the supporters of a man who started his political career by trying to delegitimise Obama’s presidency with racist rhetoric.
Title: Re: A Manifesto
Post by: Mike Cl on January 24, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
Quote from: trdsf on January 24, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
One: Donald Trump deserves as much respect as the Republicans gave President Obama over the last eight years. To wit: I am perfectly within my rights to refer to him as “The Asshole” or “President Asshole” or “He’s Not My President” or “Fuck him, he didn’t really win” or any derogatory term of my choice.

Two: Pursuant to that, I am free to question his legitimacy at will - especially since he lost the popular vote, and not by a small margin.

Three: Taking into account the fact that Republicans lost the popular vote for the Presidency, and lost seats in the House, and lost seats in the Senate, any claims of a “mandate” may be met with uproarious laughter, followed by derision of the idiot daring to claim a “mandate”.

Four: I am free to disclaim any claims of “alternative facts”. Facts are facts. They are not to be confused with opinions. If your opinions are at variance with the facts, the problem is with your opinions, not with the facts.

Five: If you don’t like it, fuck you. I don’t care about your pathetic little “feelings”. Your feelings are bullshit if they run counter to demonstrable facts.

Six: I refuse to listen to complaints that the “media is trying to delegitimise Trump’s presidency” from the supporters of a man who started his political career by trying to delegitimise Obama’s presidency with racist rhetoric.
^This^
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President. So, going by the precedent that Obama set by drone striking American citizens, you could be next.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 12:42:16 PM
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President. So, going by the precedent that Obama set by drone striking American citizens, you could be next.

Only if he is Hispanic ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on January 24, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
I'm interested in what thoughts on this is.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-expected-sign-executive-orders-immigration-230259644.html
Quote
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump was expected to sign several executive orders restricting immigration on Wednesday, at the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, according to several congressional aides and immigration experts briefed on the matter.

Trump's orders were expected to involve restricting access to the United States for refugees and some visa holders from Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, said the aides and experts, who asked not to be identified.

Isn't this kind of a UN deal?

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on January 24, 2017, 09:16:29 PM
You know...congress can remove him from office without impeachment.
https://youtu.be/Gnnj_YjdJgs
Will they or will they merely rubber stamp it all and lie to us and tell us what a great job he's doing after the economy has completely tanked?
I might be wrong, but I fully expect our economy to hit rock bottom while they tell us it's never been better.
Once we're firmly entreched as an isolationist nation and nobody willing to buy US goods or services and the press completely throttled and journalism becomes the most dangerous job in the country..
Oh good times ahead!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 24, 2017, 09:33:47 PM
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President. So, going by the precedent that Obama set by drone striking American citizens, you could be next.
You're welcome to your opinion on that matter.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on January 24, 2017, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President. So, going by the precedent that Obama set by drone striking American citizens, you could be next.

Oh fuck me with a cactus, not this bullshit again.

QuoteIsn't this kind of a UN deal?

The UN has no real legal authority over sovereign states, just authority when the countries agree to be authorized... especially in regards to issues of citizenship.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President.
If they meant it literally, which they don't.  It's a show of disapproval, nothing more.  I think it's kinda stupid, tbh, but that's just how things are now.  It happened when Dubya was elected, it happened Obama was elected, and it happened when Trump was elected.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
Quote from: Munch on January 24, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
I'm interested in what thoughts on this is.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-expected-sign-executive-orders-immigration-230259644.html
Isn't this kind of a UN deal?
Afaik, the UN has no authority over a country's immigration policy.  A President could close the borders altogether and there isn't much the UN could do about it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: Munch on January 24, 2017, 08:30:06 PM
I'm interested in what thoughts on this is.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-expected-sign-executive-orders-immigration-230259644.html
Isn't this kind of a UN deal?

Nobody follows UN treaties.  Part of Brexit is rejection by the English of he EU court system.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
If they meant it literally, which they don't.  It's a show of disapproval, nothing more.  I think it's kinda stupid, tbh, but that's just how things are now.  It happened when Dubya was elected, it happened Obama was elected, and it happened when Trump was elected.

With three 2-way splits in a row, that should divide us into 8 different nations, all hating each other.  Maybe stop voting?  None of us are good losers ... or winners.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 11:24:57 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:29:41 PM
Afaik, the UN has no authority over a country's immigration policy.  A President could close the borders altogether and there isn't much the UN could do about it.

Japan does it all the time, and Europe too, until recently.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 12:45:26 AM
Trump and the Republicans are currently like a bunch of gorillas armed with baseball bats running around the carefully built ship of state that over the centuries has led us to increasing stability and success, and are trashing it from the inside.

They are destoying everything decent and good about America and are paving the way for dictatorship.

I saw it coming a gigaparsec away. I predicted it even as far back as 1982 (coincidentally, when I read the book 1984): this is what will happen if we keep voting Republicans into power.

I hate to say "I told you so", but "I told you so."

So if you are an American voter and did not vote for Hillary, fuck you. If you still love Trump now, fuck you. The downfall of America is your fault. So fuck you.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 12:56:26 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 12:45:26 AMI predicted it even as far back as 1982 (coincidentally, when I read the book 1984)
How did you read it before it was published?  :P  (kidding)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 03:43:04 AM
My predictions of future horror, and my absolute greatest fears in the world, are:

1. The American passport severely declining in utility as once-friendly nations impose visa restrictions;
2. The total illegalization of abortion (which essentially would signal the final nail in America's coffin);
3. The formation of theocratic dictatorship in the USA under the Republican Party;
4. Nuclear war.

Look for the once-great US to become a third-world shithole and a source of refugees to other countries if the first three take place.

Look for the extinction of the human species should the fourth come true.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on January 25, 2017, 04:26:01 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 12:45:26 AM

So if you are an American voter and did not vote for Hillary, fuck you. If you still love Trump now, fuck you. The downfall of America is your fault. So fuck you.

You know some people voted for trump in order to shake up the status quo, since it became too one sided, and doing so would make people take it more seriously in the next elections.

I think your jumping the shark btw, America's not going to be destroyed by republican rule. It's had many republican presidents in the past and it survived all those. Sometimes you need to inject a virus into a body to help it grow its immunity. Sure all the shitting and puking is horrible, but you come out stronger for it the other end.

What you should be hoping for now is the democrats to get a new representative who isn't as bad as Hillary.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 04:42:47 AM
This crop of Republicans is different. It's far more radicalized than before, and they are wasting no time turning the steering wheel hard to the right so that we will crash straight into a wall. Trump's Administration is so far to the right that it makes Bush Jr. look like Kennedy. Bush was in league solely with the neocons, but Trump does the bidding of the Religious Right, who pose the greatest danger to American freedom.

We survived other Republican administrations mainly because we had majority Dems in Congress and a Supreme Court that was not teetering on the brink, and we had Republicans who weren't all bible-thumping fascists.

I mean, they are going after Medicare and Social Security, as well as our national parks and national forests. They're going after Native Americans (who have more claim to this land than anyone) and handicapped people. What's next, the Smithsonian? (Shhh, I shouldn't give them ideas!) And they lie shamelessly and blatantly, but somehow that's OK with the Republicans (except for Lindsey Graham, who is showing a spine, but he'll be beaten back, for sure.)

Shake up the status quo? The status quo was pretty damn good. Voting Trump in is turning America into a fascist hellhole for the first time ever, and it is happening now as we speak.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on January 25, 2017, 04:59:13 AM
If trump is so bad he causes such damage to his own country, then he will be impeached. Though I do believe he choose Mike Pence purely on the fact of knowing he was a grotesque human being, and the best kind of insurance he could find because of it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 05:21:09 AM
Quote from: Munch on January 25, 2017, 04:59:13 AM
If trump is so bad he causes such damage to his own country, then he will be impeached. Though I do believe he choose Mike Pence purely on the fact of knowing he was a grotesque human being, and the best kind of insurance he could find because of it.
Impeachment and conviction would require the cooperation of the Republican Congress, including a 2/3 vote of the Senate. It won't happen. The Republicans, with a few notable exceptions, think the sun shines out of his ass. For the most part, the destruction Trump is causing is what the Republicans want.

And even if he is impeached, we get Pence, who IS the Religious Reich.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 06:58:40 AM
Well I guess y'all can move on down to the Confederate state of California ... playing a new tune on your banjo ... but only with your Left hand ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 09:17:54 AM
Quote from: Munch on January 25, 2017, 04:59:13 AM
If trump is so bad he causes such damage to his own country, then he will be impeached. Though I do believe he choose Mike Pence purely on the fact of knowing he was a grotesque human being, and the best kind of insurance he could find because of it.
No he won't.  The Republican leadership in Congress will turn a blind eye to everything he does.  The only way they will turn on him is if it looks like they're going to get decimated in the 2018 midterms -- and that won't happen because of the gerrymandered advantage they've given themselves in Congress.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on January 25, 2017, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 24, 2017, 05:50:21 AM
Sorry, but I didn't vote for Trump.  A gentleman would never say what he says, and I am a gentleman.  I always ask before I grab your pussy.
It's such a humorous topic! See all the women across the country laughing?

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on January 25, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
QuoteIf trump is so bad he causes such damage to his own country, then he will be impeached.

That of course assumes that the checks and balances don't all agree with him, and think that damage is not damage but progress.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Munch on January 25, 2017, 04:59:13 AM
If trump is so bad he causes such damage to his own country, then he will be impeached. Though I do believe he choose Mike Pence purely on the fact of knowing he was a grotesque human being, and the best kind of insurance he could find because of it.
Also, Pence is not a grotesque human being in the eyes of the Repub majority in the House and Senate -- I think many of them would consider him preferable to Asshole, and he has the advantage of actually having experience in a political executive office.  I think he's an odious little theocratic bigot, but the Repubs like theocratic bigots.

This is the major wild card out there right now: the more Asshole goes shooting off his mouth about... well, everything, really, the more his VP looks like a preferable option to the Republicans in Congress.  And while I have no use for Pence, I will not say he is utterly unqualified to hold office, unlike his boss.

This is actually a dangerous scenario for the Dems -- if Asshole gets so toxic that even Ryan and McConnell are ready to throw him overboard, that means keeping him in office is politically to the Democrats' advantage.  And unlike Nixon, Asshole is highly unlikely to resign even in the face of assured removal from office.  But they do not want to be in a position to vote to keep him in office, and they have enough votes in the Senate to prevent a conviction on an impeachment.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 10:49:40 AMThis is actually a dangerous scenario for the Dems -- if Asshole gets so toxic that even Ryan and McConnell are ready to throw him overboard, that means keeping him in office is politically to the Democrats' advantage.  And unlike Nixon, Asshole is highly unlikely to resign even in the face of assured removal from office.  But they do not want to be in a position to vote to keep him in office, and they have enough votes in the Senate to prevent a conviction on an impeachment.
So he should be blocked but not prematurely removed from power.  Question is, will the Dems make enough of a comeback in the midterms to make that happen?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on January 25, 2017, 11:03:10 AM
There is heavy talk that Trump will be cutting funds to the National Endowment of the Arts & Humanities... particularly NPR and PBS, which both opposed him. Silence any media that doesn't agree with you.

Is it still too early to judge Trump? And is it really the SJW silencing people who disagree with them that's a threat, when the president of the United States is the one actually successfully doing it?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 10:54:38 AM
So he should be blocked but not prematurely removed from power.  Question is, will the Dems make enough of a comeback in the midterms to make that happen?
I don't know.  But given their track record for allowing themselves to be run roughshod over, I don't care to make any optimistic predictions.  The best I can offer is the hope that by the midterms, Asshole will be so spectacularly unpopular that the Dems make gains despite their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 10:54:38 AM
So he should be blocked but not prematurely removed from power.  Question is, will the Dems make enough of a comeback in the midterms to make that happen?

Not if they continue to double down with the same failed strategy.

PS - new theory about Watergate, was it was a setup orchestrated by the Bush bunch, to punish Nixon for choosing Agnew over George H W for VP.  So how does that kind of machination fit into your naive view of politics?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 10:49:40 AM
Also, Pence is not a grotesque human being in the eyes of the Repub majority in the House and Senate -- I think many of them would consider him preferable to Asshole, and he has the advantage of actually having experience in a political executive office.  I think he's an odious little theocratic bigot, but the Repubs like theocratic bigots.

This is the major wild card out there right now: the more Asshole goes shooting off his mouth about... well, everything, really, the more his VP looks like a preferable option to the Republicans in Congress.  And while I have no use for Pence, I will not say he is utterly unqualified to hold office, unlike his boss.

This is actually a dangerous scenario for the Dems -- if Asshole gets so toxic that even Ryan and McConnell are ready to throw him overboard, that means keeping him in office is politically to the Democrats' advantage.  And unlike Nixon, Asshole is highly unlikely to resign even in the face of assured removal from office.  But they do not want to be in a position to vote to keep him in office, and they have enough votes in the Senate to prevent a conviction on an impeachment.

Ah, for the good old days of President McCain and VP Palin ;-))  At least Palin is easier on the eyes than Pence.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 25, 2017, 04:26:16 PM
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on January 24, 2017, 12:28:48 PM
"Not my President" is technically saying "I no longer consider myself an American" because that's the only way he could not be your President.

Chump's not the president of the United States of America, he's the CEO of the Incorporated States of America. A fine distinction, you say? Just a nuance, you say?

No, a complete change in the running of this country. This country is not, and has never been, a business, and it cannot be run like a business. But we'll soon see if I'm wrong about that.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 12:29:59 PMI don't know.  But given their track record for allowing themselves to be run roughshod over, I don't care to make any optimistic predictions.  The best I can offer is the hope that by the midterms, Asshole will be so spectacularly unpopular that the Dems make gains despite their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only realistic option, terrible as it is.  It's baffling to me how the Dems do so poorly despite their policies having widespread support, federally-funded healthcare (http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx) for example.

This last election should've been a gimme.  A lot of the stuff that Republicans hang their hats on - opposing gay marriage, making abortion illegal, supporting creationism intelligent design (God design wink wink), opposing combating (or even recognizing) climate change - these are not winning positions.  There is no conceivable scenario where abortion is illegal again and the public is cool with that.  So you have candidates with deeply unpopular positions and somehow making out like bandits on election night.  I don't get it.

When the Democrats go up to bat, can we at least tape the bat to their hand so they don't embarrass themselves?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 06:48:52 PM
Politics is a spectator sport, like the Superbowl.  Why do you take it so seriously?  It is Luche Libre.  The candidates should costume like Mexican wrestlers ... I think if they did, Bernie would have won the primaries quickly against Hillary (she would not only be a sight in spandex, she wouldn't even be able to do the fake throws).  The public clearly doesn't take it seriously.  Or it is a conspiracy theory by Independent voters like myself, to get the Ds and Rs to kill each other off ... ehehehe
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on January 25, 2017, 07:35:27 PM
They don't have to impeach. They can merely decide he's unable to fulfill his duties and appointment Pence as interim acting president and that doesn't require the majority, just the main players, VP, Speaker and president pro temore can unilaterally decide to depose Trump.
QuoteWhenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
So in essence it would only take Pence, Orin Hatch and Ryan to shitcan Trump. They of course won't because they're far more loyal to their party than the nation. They would never do anything that pisses off the party to protect the rights of the citizens of the nation.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on January 25, 2017, 07:35:27 PM
They don't have to impeach. They can merely decide he's unable to fulfill his duties and appointment Pence as interim acting president and that doesn't require the majority, just the main players, VP, Speaker and president pro temore can unilaterally decide to depose Trump. So in essence it would only take Pence, Orin Hatch and Ryan to shitcan Trump.

Ooo, that is an interesting prospect.  Of course, Asshole would immediately declare himself capable and the coup leaders would have to scramble to get 2/3 of both the House and Senate to back them -- and I don't think they can.

If they do try to pull this, you can bet they've lined up the necessary votes ahead of time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
Yes, the only one who can save the Democrats is Strom Thurmond arising from the dead ... bwahaha.  Please massa Jefferson Davis, please save us from the party of Lincoln ;-))  The Democrats have always exploited their hired or purchased help.

If all the Southern Republicans would move in and take over the zombie Left Democrat party ... like they did to the zombie Right Republican party after Watergate, then all the baddies can be in the same sack together again ... and Republicans can shrieve their souls of the Southern Strategy.  Nixon was liberal compared to the politicians today.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on January 25, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
Quote from: trdsf on January 25, 2017, 07:43:51 PM
Ooo, that is an interesting prospect.  Of course, Asshole would immediately declare himself capable and the coup leaders would have to scramble to get 2/3 of both the House and Senate to back them -- and I don't think they can.

If they do try to pull this, you can bet they've lined up the necessary votes ahead of time.
You can bet that if they try to play the 25th ammendment card they'll have the votes, but the question would be if Democrats would be willing to play along. If republicans decide to turn on the Duckster you can bet he would do an about face and become a democrat all over again.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 06:46:03 AM
I would love if Bernie were President, then declared himself Independent.  Same thing with Ronald Dump ;-)  Kill both parties.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on January 26, 2017, 07:50:42 AM
The breaches of ethics and common decency are coming at us so fast, we can't keep up with them. I felt disgusted, disenfranchised, demoralized and fucking angry at the stabs at women's healthcare and immigration, but the gag orders on the EPA and USDA and threats to the media outlets? That is nothing short of bone-chilling terrifying.

Terrifying.

Remember when there was a giant uproar about censorship when Tipper Gore wanted to put stickers on record albums with naughty words in them? Doesn't that seem like a day at the fair right about now?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on January 26, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
So, it looks like the Wall has been approved... and it will be paid for with taxpayer money.

As someone who lives near the border, I know very few people in favour of this. It's all (*ahem*) white people who live further away, where they don't expect to actually see Mexicans, who are in favour of it.

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: PopeyesPappy on January 26, 2017, 09:45:59 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 26, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
So, it looks like the Wall has been approved... and it will be paid for with taxpayer money.

As someone who lives near the border, I know very few people in favour of this. It's all (*ahem*) white people who live further away, where they don't expect to actually see Mexicans, who are in favour of it.

I'm white, live closer to the Canadian border than the Mexican one by a few hundred miles, and see Mexicans every day. Hispanics and Latinos anyway as I assume many of them are from places like El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras as well as Mexico.

The states with the lowest percentages of Mexicans are mostly Northeastern blue states.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on January 26, 2017, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 26, 2017, 09:45:59 AM
I'm white, live closer to the Canadian border than the Mexican one by a few hundred miles, and see Mexicans every day. Hispanics and Latinos anyway as I assume many of them are from places like El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras as well as Mexico.

The states with the lowest percentages of Mexicans are mostly Northeastern blue states.

I didn't mean that far north, I meant like Dallas, Louisiana, Missouri, Alabama etc..
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on January 26, 2017, 10:12:51 AM
What's he gonna do when people figure out how to get on airplanes and boats or just go to Canada? I know...just build a giant inpenatrable bubble over the entire country which of course would have the added benefit of keeping all that nasty Canadian cold air out . I think it's all that Canadian air that causes all our problems. Eliminate air and we will never have to worry about crime or jobs or, well, anything ever again.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on January 26, 2017, 07:50:42 AM
The breaches of ethics and common decency are coming at us so fast, we can't keep up with them. I felt disgusted, disenfranchised, demoralized and fucking angry at the stabs at women's healthcare and immigration, but the gag orders on the EPA and USDA and threats to the media outlets? That is nothing short of bone-chilling terrifying.

Terrifying.

Remember when there was a giant uproar about censorship when Tipper Gore wanted to put stickers on record albums with naughty words in them? Doesn't that seem like a day at the fair right about now?

Don't fret, the D-media never wanted to keep you informed anyway.  You have to check the Internet, every single day, to keep up ... since about 2000.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 26, 2017, 08:28:11 AM
So, it looks like the Wall has been approved... and it will be paid for with taxpayer money.

As someone who lives near the border, I know very few people in favour of this. It's all (*ahem*) white people who live further away, where they don't expect to actually see Mexicans, who are in favour of it.

We will see.  The last two walls ... two walls ... were just porkbarrel.  Also President Trump will make Mexico pay for it, with tariffs on all their goods coming North ... maybe.  They didn't say how long it would take ... the current Chinese Wall took 1700 years to build.  That is a lot of moo shoo pork ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 12:44:08 PM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on January 26, 2017, 10:12:51 AM
What's he gonna do when people figure out how to get on airplanes and boats or just go to Canada? I know...just build a giant inpenatrable bubble over the entire country which of course would have the added benefit of keeping all that nasty Canadian cold air out . I think it's all that Canadian air that causes all our problems. Eliminate air and we will never have to worry about crime or jobs or, well, anything ever again.

That would be a Democrat proposal .. they aren't very good with technology ... like the OPM break-in and the Hillary email server ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 26, 2017, 12:51:58 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
If they meant it literally, which they don't.  It's a show of disapproval, nothing more.  I think it's kinda stupid, tbh, but that's just how things are now.  It happened when Dubya was elected, it happened Obama was elected, and it happened when Trump was elected.
Simply a sign of disdain, and that I can count.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 26, 2017, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 25, 2017, 05:18:24 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much the only realistic option, terrible as it is.  It's baffling to me how the Dems do so poorly despite their policies having widespread support, federally-funded healthcare (http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx) for example.

This last election should've been a gimme.  A lot of the stuff that Republicans hang their hats on - opposing gay marriage, making abortion illegal, supporting creationism intelligent design (God design wink wink), opposing combating (or even recognizing) climate change - these are not winning positions.  There is no conceivable scenario where abortion is illegal again and the public is cool with that.  So you have candidates with deeply unpopular positions and somehow making out like bandits on election night.  I don't get it.

When the Democrats go up to bat, can we at least tape the bat to their hand so they don't embarrass themselves?


I call it a bloodless coup...


(http://mychal-massie.com/premium/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/bloodless-coup.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
Every election is a bloodless coup ... those are better than the bloody kind (the only other way to change government).

People object to their status quo being upset, both R and D people.  On the other hand, the only way for change to happen, good or bad, is for the status quo to be upset.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 26, 2017, 06:07:50 PM
120 Most Insulting Donald Trump Jokes (http://ijr.com/2016/03/568896-120-most-insulting-donald-trump-jokes/)


Some of these are pretty funny...


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/af/1e/06/af1e06a3692a24e2428cde47ae4952f9.jpg)



(http://jokes4laugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Donald-Trump-Jokes-Images-9.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 29, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
Donald Trump's Eight Best Lines Ever (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423003/)


QuoteI would hit [ISIS] so hard your head would spin


Oh boy! A brand new source of energy - all those spinning heads would generate oodles of power!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 29, 2017, 08:46:56 PM
Trump "visibly enraged" by Women's March. (http://www.dailydot.com/irl/donald-trump-angry-womens-march/)

An ego as large as it is fragile.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 29, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
It's increasingly evident that Chump has no idea what he's doing and is just a puppet for the white-supremacist nutcase Bannon, whose stated mission is to send the US government crashing to the ground (which makes him a traitor).

It's heartening to see the People rising up en masse with the most persistent protests against a "president" I have ever seen. Protests at airports against Chump's un-American policies.

We must resist the kakistocracy with all our energy to prevent the US from becoming the fascist dictatorship that Bannon and the Religious Right want it to be.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: mauricio on January 29, 2017, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 29, 2017, 09:02:56 PM
It's increasingly evident that Chump has no idea what he's doing and is just a puppet for the white-supremacist nutcase Bannon, whose stated mission is to send the US government crashing to the ground (which makes him a traitor).

It's heartening to see the People rising up en masse with the most persistent protests against a "president" I have ever seen. Protests at airports against Chump's un-American policies.

We must resist the kakistocracy with all our energy to prevent the US from becoming the fascist dictatorship that Bannon and the Religious Right want it to be.

Why do you believe this to be true?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 29, 2017, 11:51:01 PM
Because his actions so far, which are extremist and very xenophobic, are part of Bannon's stated anti-American agenda.

Bannon is a known white supremacist whose goal is to cause the US government to come crashing down. Thankfully we are seeing resistance from multiple quarters. I urge everyone to donate to the ACLU, Planned Parenthood and other groups fighting for our freedom.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:05:47 AM
Now if Trump appoints David Duke chief inquisitor .. then I would be worried.  Bad enough he wants the sister of Erik Prince as Sec of Education.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on January 30, 2017, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2017, 08:34:09 PM
Donald Trump's Eight Best Lines Ever (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423003/)



Oh boy! A brand new source of energy - all those spinning heads would generate oodles of power!

oh yeah. tape some equally spaced magnets on those heads and we're taking gigaWatts of power.


I suppose we could all go to the sporting goods store and buy knee pads, elbow pads, and a helmet, then say "Ok Trump I'm ready for you now!!!".

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 04:42:08 AM
Even the Kochs are speaking out against the Muslim ban:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316776-koch-network-criticizes-trumps-immigration-order
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 05:22:44 AM
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/

The media is playing you like a violin.


https://youtu.be/4OsWWEgWwoc
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president in USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 06:33:55 AM
Quote from: trdsf on November 11, 2016, 07:50:54 PM
I may be white and middle-aged, but I'm also a gay atheist, so I'm not in the *least* looking forward to the next four years (or however long it takes for him to do something so appalling even the GOP decides to impeach him... unfortunately, Pence is a homophobic  sack of shit so he's not going to be an improvement).

For the moment, I'm actually ashamed to be an American.  My country is supposed to be better than this.  And the next Trumpie who tells me that "Oh, he can't really believe all those horrible things he said" gets punched because they will also turn around and complain that Hillary "always lies".  So they went and voted for someone on the *hope* he was lying?  Fuck.

Some may have voted for Trump for that reason, but you are being an optimist.  It is because most people hate atheists and hate gays.  Americans really are bigots.  Bantustans aka Dominionism aka general theory of White S Africa.  So let all the atheists move to Atheist Island, all the gays move to Gay Island, unfortunately for you, you get to live in the shark infested waters in between ;-(  Atheists and gays will always be despised minorities (according to history).  This only gets better in scifi land.  Watch more scifi channel, ignore more reality around you.  This isn't how I would have people behave, but none of you voted for me ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 06:36:09 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 04:42:08 AM
Even the Kochs are speaking out against the Muslim ban:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/316776-koch-network-criticizes-trumps-immigration-order

I bet the Koch family loves their illegal immigrants too.  Most plutocrats agree.  I would fix that ... put the plutocrats in Guantanamo.

And yes, there are some Americans, like some Europeans, who want a billion Chinese, a billion Muslims, a billion Indians to move to GB or to the US ... why?  Leftists.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 06:42:11 AM
I think everyone should be allowed to go wherever the fuck they want. We're all human beings.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 06:42:11 AM
I think everyone should be allowed to go wherever the fuck they want. We're all human beings.

Human beings are dog food.  But feed the cat first ;-)  I think I shouldn't have to work for a living, I am a human being ;-)

I happen to support immigration, but the Schengen in the EU was insane ... it helped encourage the refugees to go from Turkey to Greece ... because they knew they wouldn't have to stay there, but go all the way to Sweden or GB.  This is why you got Brexit.  I can't wait for a hundred million Chinese from the mainland move to Taiwan.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 06:53:01 AM
Quote from: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 06:42:11 AM
I think everyone should be allowed to go wherever the fuck they want. We're all human beings.
As long as they can privide for themselves and not start any mayhem.
Or are you prepared to pay for them in perpetuity?

Immigrating to a country is  a privilege, not a right.




Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 07:21:17 AM
Quote from: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 06:53:01 AM
As long as they can privide for themselves and not start any mayhem.
Or are you prepared to pay for them in perpetuity?

Immigrating to a country is  a privilege, not a right.

Even visiting a country, is a privilege, not a right.  How is that Soros color revolution coming in GB?  The one in the US is going like gang-busters.  Can't wait for those Ukrainian death squads ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 07:27:05 AM
Atheon wrote

Quotewe are all human beings

What, even Trump supporters?

I recommend a book from George Orwell. Animal Farm
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
Personally, I'd like to see the entire world be like a United States of Earth, where going from one country to another is like going from Minnesota to Wisconsin.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 30, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
Trump's initial approval rating (http://www.gallup.com/poll/202811/trump-sets-new-low-point-inaugural-approval-rating.aspx) is lower than any other President in living memory.

W started out at 57%, Obama started out at 68%, Trump is currently at 42% (http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx).  Over half the people asked about him disapproved of how he's handling his job.  If only they had the foresight to make their disapproval known 3 months ago.

(http://i.imgur.com/Lj4Hy09.png)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 30, 2017, 12:30:06 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 06:07:13 PM
Every election is a bloodless coup ... those are better than the bloody kind (the only other way to change government).
An orderly transition of power is not a coup d'main.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:30:59 PM
Quote from: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
Personally, I'd like to see the entire world be like a United States of Earth, where going from one country to another is like going from Minnesota to Wisconsin.

Some day.  Just help the Chinese conquer it.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 30, 2017, 12:30:06 PM
An orderly transition of power is not a coup d'main.

Yes, but don't use big words here ;-)  and besides, French words only work in France ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: MooHamHead on January 30, 2017, 09:28:56 PM
It is refreshing to have someone who loves America. That is the fundamental difference between obama and the Honorable President Trump. That is why approval for Trump is Spiking and obozo had lower approval than Nixon or W.  Trump is currently at 57%. The big danger now is the intolerance, violence, hate, and fascism of the progos.

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Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 30, 2017, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: MooHamHead on January 30, 2017, 09:28:56 PM
It is refreshing to have someone who loves America. That is the fundamental difference between obama and the Honorable President Trump. That is why approval for Trump is Spiking and obozo had lower approval than Nixon or W.  Trump is currently at 57%. The big danger now is the intolerance, violence, hate, and fascism of the progos.
A connoisseur of alternative facts, I see.

I posted this earlier (http://www.gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx), but who knows, maybe the second time's a charm.

The dark green line is the disapproval line, just fyi.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: MooHamHead on January 30, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/24/rasmussen-president-trumps-approval-index-booms-since-inauguration/

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Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 11:00:20 PM
After the mess of this last election, I am surprised anyone still believes in polls or Poland ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 30, 2017, 11:27:08 PM
LOL@breitbart link.  Gallup or Brietbart, who's more trustworthy?  The politically neutral and reputable site or the far right lie machine with white nationalist leanings.  What a tough call!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 04:23:16 AM
Yeah, tough call.  Let me think for .5 nanoseconds...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
Gallup is a CIA asset, anything from before 1991 is, and a lot since is also.  Yes, trust the spooks.  Did Gallup predict a Hillary win or not?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
Gallup is a CIA asset, anything from before 1991 is, and a lot since is also.  Yes, trust the spooks.  Did Gallup predict a Hillary win or not?

Anyone who invokes the CIA to support their claim is probably not someone who has that information.  Does "conspiracy" ring a bell?  LOL!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
Anyone who invokes the CIA to support their claim is probably not someone who has that information.  Does "conspiracy" ring a bell?  LOL!

So the CIA doesn't exist .. a conspiracy theory?  Conspiracy is the full time job of the (un)intelligence agencies.  Did they prevent 9-11?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 12:59:30 PM
So the CIA doesn't exist .. a conspiracy theory?  Conspiracy is the full time job of the (un)intelligence agencies.  Did they prevent 9-11?

Did I suggest the CIA doesn't exist?  How very Trumpian of you...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on January 31, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 06:53:52 AMGallup is a CIA asset
(http://i.imgur.com/iQhcAOu.gif)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:15:04 PM
Every media, including AP and UP ... were infiltrated as part of the Cold War, way back in 1950.  They still are.  Gloria Steinem was a CIA asset, so is Bob Woodward (of Watergate).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 08:43:31 AM
Anyone who invokes the CIA to support their claim is probably not someone who has that information.  Does "conspiracy" ring a bell?  LOL!
I see you don't understand Baruchistani.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/iQhcAOu.gif)

LOL!  But if that were true, neither Fox nor MSNBC would be on the air.  Oh wait, Greta is now on MSNBC...  Hmmm...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:17:29 PM
LOL!  But if that were true, neither Fox nor MSNBC would be on the air.  Oh wait, Greta is now on MSNBC...  Hmmm...
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
I see you don't understand Baruchistani.

And you defend the Intel Agencies ... all 17?  If they are working for the US people, and are all powerful and Boy Scouts ... then why didn't they prevent 9-11?  You are like a French peasant ... who when told what the Queen said, went and got some cake for lunch.

Why do you think Fox or MSNBC is allowed?  Do you think the CIA is R or D or neither?  They are Neither Party.  They are the permanent government that lets us pretend to elect buffoons.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:18:31 PM

Why do you think Fox or MSNBC is allowed?  Do you think the CIA is R or D or neither?  They are Neither Party.  They are the permanent government that lets us pretend to elect buffoons.

They would never have allowed Trump, so your premise is faulty...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
And you defend the Intel Agencies ... all 17?
Where the fuck did I say that? Can you do ANYTHING but strawmen?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:36:45 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
Where the fuck did I say that? Can you do ANYTHING but strawmen?

That's Baruch's game...  I hear that he is angling for a Trump Admiistration position.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 31, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:36:45 PM
That's Baruch's game...  I hear that he is angling for a Trump Admiistration position.
It's tedious.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 06:33:55 AM
Atheists and gays will always be despised minorities (according to history).
I really doubt that anyone can judge what "always will be" by looking at history. The future is unwritten, and doesn't exactly repeat the past.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:30:59 PM
Some day.  Just help the Chinese conquer it.
Speaking of the Chinese, I guess Chump could just buy the Great Wall of China, and have it shipped here piece by piece, then he could get Chinese laborers to put it back together, and then dump them south of the thing when they've finished it.


By the way, I don't call him Chump merely to be insulting. I call him Chump to hopefully avoid any algorithm that may be searching for and classifying every online use of his real name in order to find any negative mention of him, and to punish those who don't like him. I intend to make it very plain that I hate him with every fiber of my being.

I've never had an enemy, never truly hated anyone at all. But I truly hate Chump - not just for what he's done so far, but for the things I fully expect him to do going forward.

The Democratic party already wants to impeach Chump, so the GOP cannot ever allow the Democratic party to take over power in the House or Senate, or he will be impeached, or brought up on war crimes charges (by then he'll have many war crimes to worry about being convicted of). How far will they go to keep that from happening? How will they hold onto power? Just how much control can they garner?


When the next mid-term election rolls around in a couple of years, if there's any chance at all that the dems might get enough votes to gain the majority in the House and/or Senate, we may well be involved in some sort of "national emergency" so that it will give Chump an excuse to suspend the elections.

I wonder what will be our version of a burning Reichstag?



Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:34:54 PM
I wonder what our new 1st Lady thinks about her husband, and what he thinks about her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLCo58CCFo


He apparently said something to her that was devastating - she looks like she might break down in tears.  Just look at that smug, smarmy look on his face!

 
Maybe it's a fake video, like that video manipulation stuff that was posted by AllPurposeAtheist the other day. (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=11255.msg1163880#msg1163880) How could we tell?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
He's pissed off
China
Europe
Mexico
Muslims
women
the media
the CIA
Native American

Who's next?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 31, 2017, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
He's pissed off
China
Europe
Mexico
Muslims
women
the media
the CIA
Native American

Who's next?

Martians.

Then we'll be royaly fucked.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 06:05:49 PM
Nah, we have granny's Slim Whitman music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSbigjiKLoU
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:18:14 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 31, 2017, 06:03:20 PM
Martians.

Then we'll be royaly fucked.

There are at least 200 million more Americans to piss off.  We need to get it out of our system, before we go and kill more Brown people ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:19:12 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
They would never have allowed Trump, so your premise is faulty...

So Trump is already a body double Trump.  Is this as bad as the original, or Memorex?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:19:59 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 31, 2017, 01:36:45 PM
That's Baruch's game...  I hear that he is angling for a Trump Admiistration position.

Only if I get to "carp" at them ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:21:09 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 04:44:52 PM
I really doubt that anyone can judge what "always will be" by looking at history. The future is unwritten, and doesn't exactly repeat the past.

You apparently haven't been paying attention for the last 5000 years ... but optimism is OK, just don't get it on my carpet ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:24:04 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
Speaking of the Chinese, I guess Chump could just buy the Great Wall of China, and have it shipped here piece by piece, then he could get Chinese laborers to put it back together, and then dump them south of the thing when they've finished it.


By the way, I don't call him Chump merely to be insulting. I call him Chump to hopefully avoid any algorithm that may be searching for and classifying every online use of his real name in order to find any negative mention of him, and to punish those who don't like him. I intend to make it very plain that I hate him with every fiber of my being.

I've never had an enemy, never truly hated anyone at all. But I truly hate Chump - not just for what he's done so far, but for the things I fully expect him to do going forward.

The Democratic party already wants to impeach Chump, so the GOP cannot ever allow the Democratic party to take over power in the House or Senate, or he will be impeached, or brought up on war crimes charges (by then he'll have many war crimes to worry about being convicted of). How far will they go to keep that from happening? How will they hold onto power? Just how much control can they garner?


When the next mid-term election rolls around in a couple of years, if there's any chance at all that the dems might get enough votes to gain the majority in the House and/or Senate, we may well be involved in some sort of "national emergency" so that it will give Chump an excuse to suspend the elections.

I wonder what will be our version of a burning Reichstag?

We never convicted Bill Clinton, George W/Cheney or Obama of war crimes ... why Trump?  You simply have R-phobia.  You will have to type "suffeXing succotash".  It is kind of Japanese, you could substitute "L".  "suffeling succotash" ... very manga.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Just came across this by chance, but I don't know the source, so I can't vouch:

Donald Trump’s closest advisor ‘said America will be at war with China soon’ (http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/01/donald-trumps-closest-advisor-said-america-will-be-at-war-with-china-soon-6421320/)


Hmm...I wonder if China knows about this?

Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:24:04 PM
We never convicted Bill Clinton, George W/Cheney or Obama of war crimes ... why Trump?  You simply have R-phobia.  You will have to type "suffeXing succotash".  It is kind of Japanese, you could substitute "L".  "suffeling succotash" ... very manga.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 07:21:09 PM
You apparently haven't been paying attention for the last 5000 years ... but optimism is OK, just don't get it on my carpet ;-)
Trying to use the past to predict the future smacks, to me, of the gamblers' fallacy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2017, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:44:06 PM
I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

I have waited for 16 years for Bill Clinton to go to jail.  I have waited for 8 years for George W or Dick to go to jail.  I expect I will have to wait a long time before Obama is seen at The Hague.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:46:19 PM
Trying to use the past to predict the future smacks, to me, of the gamblers' fallacy.

You can't win, without gambling ... loser ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on February 01, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
So Betsy DeVos was just appointed.

Still too early to judge?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on February 01, 2017, 10:58:55 PM
So much for diplomacy. Apparently Australia is also on Trump's shit list for wanting us to honor refugee policy we agreed to, but will make Trump look bad politically.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpaustralia-815pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba16495af33d
This isn't going to be the only one. I have a feeling we'll have zero friends around the world in short order.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 01, 2017, 11:27:15 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 01, 2017, 05:43:26 PMJust came across this by chance, but I don't know the source, so I can't vouch:

Donald Trump’s closest advisor ‘said America will be at war with China soon’ (http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/01/donald-trumps-closest-advisor-said-america-will-be-at-war-with-china-soon-6421320/)

Hmm...I wonder if China knows about this?
Pretty scary stuff, but until there are more substantive provocations than tweets, I'll take it with a grain of salt.  Though judging from Trump's disposition, it might not be long until there is some sort of diplomatic incident with China.

We have a really tense relationship with China right now.  Starting shit with them is definitely not something we should be doing.  Any military clash in the South China Sea would not end well for anyone.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on February 02, 2017, 01:08:08 AM


Where is Batman when you need him?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 02, 2017, 01:26:43 AM
I don't know if you guys heard about this, because it didn't show up in the news, but during Trump's "giving power back to the people" speech I personally made a few new laws.

1) NC minimum wage is now $12/hour instead of $7.25/hour.
2) A state mandate to generate 80% of its energy from non-carbon sources (wind, solar, nuclear, etc) by 2036.
3) The stupid bathroom bill has been abolished.

I had the power and that's what I did with it.  That's how it works, isn't it?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on February 02, 2017, 01:44:53 AM
An accurate picture of Il Douche if he gets his way:

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/323388/story_image/FASCISM-OF-TRUMP.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 03:52:59 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
So Betsy DeVos was just appointed.

Still too early to judge?

No, I judge the Senate and the dickiess Democrats.  Are any Democrats named ... Richard?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 03:55:32 AM
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on February 01, 2017, 10:58:55 PM
So much for diplomacy. Apparently Australia is also on Trump's shit list for wanting us to honor refugee policy we agreed to, but will make Trump look bad politically.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/no-gday-mate-on-call-with-australian-pm-trump-badgers-and-brags/2017/02/01/88a3bfb0-e8bf-11e6-80c2-30e57e57e05d_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpaustralia-815pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba16495af33d
This isn't going to be the only one. I have a feeling we'll have zero friends around the world in short order.

Good ... the NZ folks are stuck up, and corrupt (lots of white collar crimes based there (there is a lot of competition elsewhere too)) and Australia has sucked up too close to China, in order to rape all the minerals from the Aborigines.  I can put in a good word for Canada, and I suspect they wouldn't mind a new NAFTA that doesn't have Mexico in it.  GB may get free, with May at the helm, from the Eurocrats.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 03:56:53 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on February 02, 2017, 01:08:08 AM


Where is Batman when you need him?

Playing patty cake with Robin ;-(  Ironman is such more Republican.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 02, 2017, 03:08:34 PM
The former CEO of Exxon/Mobile Rex Tillerson is now Secretary of State.  You're welcome, America.

QuoteAsked to state his position on climate change during his confirmation hearing, Tillerson replied that the increases in greenhouse gas concentrations “are having an effect,” but said “our ability to predict that effect is very limited.”

When asked whether climate change causes storms or extreme weather events, Tillerson replied that “there’s some literature out there that suggests that; there’s other literature that says it’s inconclusive.”
QuoteU.S. oil companies have long enjoyed a close relationship with the State Department, which aggressively promotes the industry’s interests abroad.
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/01/four-democratic-defectors-join-gop-to-confirm-exxon-ceo-as-secretary-of-state/
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 04:30:34 PM
(http://toto.lib.unca.edu/findingaids/mss/schochet/fri004_mod.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
President Trump Warns Mexico He Might Send U.S. Troops to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres' (http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/)
QuoteWASHINGTON) â€" President Donald Trump warned in a phone call with his Mexican counterpart that he was ready to send U.S. troops to stop "bad hombres down there" unless the Mexican military does more to control them, according to an excerpt of a transcript of the conversation obtained by The Associated Press.




Well, who could've predicted this?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
The current Mexican government does a terrible job, even by Mexican standards.  More corrupt that Gringos.  Tell us about those student protestors massacred down there, and the perpetrators covered by the local government.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
So, we should annex Mexico, perhaps?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 02, 2017, 07:02:37 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
President Trump Warns Mexico He Might Send U.S. Troops to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres' (http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-bad-hombres/)
A year ago, I'd have thought that was a joke from The Onion.  5 years ago, I'd have asked you what you were smoking.  Today...today is a very different day.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
So, we should annex Mexico, perhaps?

Bad idea ... Gringos only make things worse.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on February 02, 2017, 07:16:49 PM
As someone who lives on, has family, friends and loved ones on both sides of the border... I just want to once again give a nice, large "go fuck yourself" to anyone who tries to justify this guy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on February 03, 2017, 06:08:54 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on February 02, 2017, 07:16:49 PM
As someone who lives on, has family, friends and loved ones on both sides of the border... I just want to once again give a nice, large "go fuck yourself" to anyone who tries to justify this guy.
And as someone who lives overseas and travels frequently, including to Islamic-majority countries... I just want to once again give a nice, large "go fuck yourself" to anyone who tries to justify this guy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 03, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 02, 2017, 06:59:49 PM
So, we should annex Mexico, perhaps?
Or let Mexico have Texas back, with an enclave for Austin.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 03, 2017, 03:20:53 PM
Arnold Schwarzenegger fires back at Trump jab: How about 'I take over your job'? (http://www.businessinsider.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-responds-trump-apprentice-ratings-comment-2017-2)


QuoteSchwarzenegger 

Following president Donald Trump's  remarks at the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday, in which he took a swipe at Arnold Schwarzenegger for his ratings as the new host of "Celebrity Apprentice" (which Trump previously hosted), the action idol has rapidly taken to Twitter in a video to respond.

In his remarks, Trump said he wanted "to just pray for Arnold" to have better ratings.

"Hey Donald, I have a great idea," Schwarzenegger said in the video. "Why don't we switch jobs? You take over TV, because you're such an expert in ratings, and I take over your job. Then people can finally sleep comfortably again."

(http://www.morrisonrobertne1740.com/images/conanb)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 03, 2017, 03:45:22 PM
Schwarzenegger would actually be better.

Sam Harris made a half-serious joke that if you took a random adult US citizen and made him/her President, that person would be a better President than Trump because they'd be so awed by the position and would know how ill-prepared they are to handle it that they'd rely heavily on experts.

Trump, on the other hand, is worse because the Kruger-Dunning effect and his habit of surrounding himself with Yes Men leads him to falsely believe he's awesome at everything and doesn't need to listen to the experts.  In fact, Stephen "wormtongue" Bannon is one of the very few people Trump listens to these days.  You don't need a crystal ball to see disaster on the horizon.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 03, 2017, 03:53:00 PM
Yeah, I see a bad star rising...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 03, 2017, 06:16:50 PM
Go Sauron!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on February 04, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
I am absolutely sure that having a new captain for the Titanic and following his directive to rearrange the deck chairs will solve everything.  *glub* *glub*  Yep, those pesky deck chairs.  *glub* *glub*
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 04, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 04, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
I am absolutely sure that having a new captain for the Titanic and following his directive to rearrange the deck chairs will solve everything.  *glub* *glub*  Yep, those pesky deck chairs.  *glub* *glub*

The first class passengers have decided to head for the life boats ... don't tell the steerage classes.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 05:14:39 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2017, 05:51:48 PM
He's pissed off
China
Europe
Mexico
Muslims
women
the media
the CIA
Native American

Who's next?

You left off us atheists...  ;)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 09:11:08 AM
That wouldn't be serious, pissing off atheists ... since the man is clearly profane.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 11:06:08 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 09:11:08 AM
That wouldn't be serious, pissing off atheists ... since the man is clearly profane.

Repubs are always happy to do that...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 11:06:08 AM
Repubs are always happy to do that...

A non-Left atheist is as much a contradiction as a gay Republican.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 01:15:06 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
A non-Left atheist is as much a contradiction as a gay Republican.

There are gay Repubs,  Why, I don't know, but there are.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 01:15:06 PM
There are gay Repubs,  Why, I don't know, but there are.

They are called Log Cabin Republicans ... the gay victim in the re-do of  Stepford Wives was turned into one.  Sounds like something involving freebasing maple syrup [-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
A friend of mine is an avid Trump supporter and is gay. I don't really get it, but whatever.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 04:39:07 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
A friend of mine is an avid Trump supporter and is gay. I don't really get it, but whatever.

The hair?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on February 05, 2017, 06:26:02 PM
(//)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on February 05, 2017, 10:49:44 PM
Quote from: Mermaid on February 05, 2017, 04:28:42 PM
A friend of mine is an avid Trump supporter and is gay. I don't really get it, but whatever.
Stockholm syndrome. He loves Big Brother.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 06, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
A non-Left atheist is as much a contradiction as a gay Republican.
So the Republican atheists I know don't exist?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on February 06, 2017, 04:28:17 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 06, 2017, 01:57:58 PM
So the Republican atheists I know don't exist?
No!  They are a fig newton of your immigration.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 04, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
I am absolutely sure that having a new captain for the Titanic and following his directive to rearrange the deck chairs will solve everything.  *glub* *glub*  Yep, those pesky deck chairs.  *glub* *glub*
Chump's not the captain of the Titanic - he's the iceberg that sunk her!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 05, 2017, 05:14:39 AM
You left off us atheists...  ;)
Well, we're not pissed off, we're pissed on - or will be during the coming theocracy.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 04:22:26 PM
They are called Log Cabin Republicans ... the gay victim in the re-do of  Stepford Wives was turned into one.  Sounds like something involving freebasing maple syrup [-)
Maybe that's what the maple syrup heist was all about:

In $18 Million Theft, Victim Was a Canadian Maple Syrup Cartel (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/business/arrests-made-in-maple-syrup-theft-from-quebec-warehouse.html)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on February 08, 2017, 07:54:59 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 07:42:19 PM
Maybe that's what the maple syrup heist was all about:

In $18 Million Theft, Victim Was a Canadian Maple Syrup Cartel (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/business/arrests-made-in-maple-syrup-theft-from-quebec-warehouse.html)

So I guess you could say they were the .. Sticky Bandits?

(https://www.diggityjr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/sticky-bandits-tee-2.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 08:08:50 PM
It was a very sticky wicket...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwj_CGFaEU
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 10:08:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS4Lw2yMmuA



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECooRLihkHg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl53JI3MF3c
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 10:10:42 PM
Apparently Chump's wife wants to make millions and millions for being the First Lady. I guess that's the only way she could ever get free of the orange guy.


Melania Trump’s $150 million libel suit is based on a falsehood (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/08/melania-trumps-150-million-libel-suit-is-based-on-a-falsehood/?utm_term=.c08da286bec6)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 09, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2017, 09:03:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwj_CGFaEU

That there are 50 crazy things after only 20 days in office only underscores the need to trigger Article 4 of the 25th Amendment.  Pence is no prize either, but at least he understands that you can't govern by petulant tweet.  And as demonstrated with his "Protect Religious Homophobic Bigotry" law in Indiana, he can be made to back down.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 09, 2017, 01:37:49 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.
Yeah, the low-brow approach is appropriate, isn't it?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 07:30:59 PM
The average human being isn't a Mensa member, and I wouldn't trust a Mensa member if I dealt with one ... too smart for his/her own good.  Like a card counter in Vegas.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 09, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.
I dunno, it kinda bugs me that the White House archives will now have such masterpieces as "I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!" alongside actual presidential speeches.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Mike Cl on February 09, 2017, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.
You think Trump is a bar room brawler????  He does not come close---he hires those types; he is a rich bully who keeps his riches by bulling those he controls.  He is accurate when he boasts that he does get revenge and at a ten to one ratio. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 09, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 07:30:59 PM
The average human being isn't a Mensa member, and I wouldn't trust a Mensa member if I dealt with one ... too smart for his/her own good.  Like a card counter in Vegas.
In Baruchistan nobody trusts anybody. With good reason.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:29:54 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 09, 2017, 08:59:08 PM
I dunno, it kinda bugs me that the White House archives will now have such masterpieces as "I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!" alongside actual presidential speeches.

Yea, too bad we don't have the shenanigans of the Harding administration as official records ;-(  Oh oh ... and the Bill the Dick administration.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:30:50 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 09, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
In Baruchistan nobody trusts anybody. With good reason.

You are older than me, and you still don't lock your doors when you leave home?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 10, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:30:50 AM
You are older than me, and you still don't lock your doors when you leave home?
Where's the fun in that? My Dobies are expensive to feed.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Shiranu on February 10, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:30:50 AM
You are older than me, and you still don't lock your doors when you leave home?

Alot younger, but I cant say I ever lock my house or car when I am gone. Never had any reason to.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on February 10, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
Alot younger, but I cant say I ever lock my house or car when I am gone. Never had any reason to.

We all make our choices .. and I lock pragmatically, not because I am paranoid ... I just happen to have no reason to trust apes.  I hope what you do works out for you ... I would say that to anyone.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.
Someone like a boy named Sue? Or will any old drunken hillbilly do?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 07:30:59 PM
The average human being isn't a Mensa member, and I wouldn't trust a Mensa member if I dealt with one ... too smart for his/her own good.  Like a card counter in Vegas.
I'm qualified for MENSA, but, like Groucho, I'd never join a club that would have me for a member.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
I expect that within a week there will be an attack somewhere in America that will be blamed on Muslims in order to prove Chump's point about the so-called judges. No telling where it will happen, maybe in Chump-land, so those who support him can be even more afraid than they already are.

So, consider it predicted. I'm no psychic, since no such thing exists, but I can see what I think is likely to happen. I could be wrong, and I sincerely hope I am. We'll just have to wait and see.


Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
This is of some interest, perhaps:



Trump Twitter Archive (http://www.trumptwitterarchive.com/#/)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:42:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTzBZuPx1lQ
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 06:37:10 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
Someone like a boy named Sue? Or will any old drunken hillbilly do?

In a democracy, almost everyone is qualified for public office, including Trump.  Maybe you are ready for Sparta?  Molon labe!

If you like politicians, you get someone like Pericles, who was a narcissistic sociopath.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#62972b112740

Without psychology, humans know nothing.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 10, 2017, 04:20:56 PM
I expect that within a week there will be an attack somewhere in America that will be blamed on Muslims in order to prove Chump's point about the so-called judges. No telling where it will happen, maybe in Chump-land, so those who support him can be even more afraid than they already are.

So, consider it predicted. I'm no psychic, since no such thing exists, but I can see what I think is likely to happen. I could be wrong, and I sincerely hope I am. We'll just have to wait and see.

Christians would say (I know some) that you don't want to "will evil events into existence".  Like being psychic, but more like telekinetic.  There are attacks in America every day, mostly by Americans.  So we need a wall to keep the Americans out ;-))
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 10, 2017, 06:43:31 PM
 :arghh:
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 10, 2017, 06:43:31 PM
:arghh:

The OP three months ago?  And no, the CIA, using HARP, causes earthquakes ... exploiting existing faults.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 01:45:26 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 05, 2017, 04:22:26 PM
They are called Log Cabin Republicans ... the gay victim in the re-do of  Stepford Wives was turned into one.  Sounds like something involving freebasing maple syrup [-)

Do you even READ what you type?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 01:50:45 AM
Trump is pulling a "momism".  You know, "Don't drop that". As if you were intending to.  But when you eventually DO drop something, she gets to blame you for "not listening to her".

So, if Trump blames others for allowing "something" bad to happen and eventually something WILL happen, he can do the "I Told You So" routine.  Assign blame on others often enough, and eventually something will happen to support it...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 06:34:02 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 10, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
The OP three months ago?  And no, the CIA, using HARP, causes earthquakes ... exploiting existing faults.
WTF
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 06:34:42 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 01:45:26 AM
Do you even READ what you type?
You don't read Baruchistani, I note.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 06:36:08 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 06:34:02 AM
WTF
Illogic knows no bounds...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 06:37:52 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 06:36:08 AM
Illogic knows no bounds...
He's just a random quote generator.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 07:06:15 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 06:37:52 AM
He's just a random quote generator.

OK, for clarity, I have to know if "he" is me.  If so, we can discuss that.  If not,specify "he".
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 11, 2017, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 07:06:15 AM
OK, for clarity, I have to know if "he" is me.  If so, we can discuss that.  If not,specify "he".
I was referring to the same person you were referring to.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 11, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 06:36:08 AM
Illogic knows no bounds...

You worked for the government.  You believe that party X is telling the truth?  You don't think the government has secret V weapons?  Here is the 4th Reich ... that is pretty vunderbar!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 09:07:03 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 11, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
You worked for the government.  You believe that party X is telling the truth?  You don't think the government has secret V weapons?  Here is the 4th Reich ... that is pretty vunderbar!

My experience in "government" showed me that the regular workers were both dedicated to the concept and politically neutral.  Its the Appointed Ones that are all crazy about agendas.

I don't think that any political party tells the truth.  But there is a really big difference between "crazy" and "involved".  Suppose one person you met said they saw a bear and another said they saw a unicorn. Which might you give some credence to?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on February 11, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 11, 2017, 09:07:03 AM
Suppose one person you met said they saw a bear and another said they saw a unicorn. Which might you give some credence to?
Which one appears to be more drunk? But then again, if you're working for Trump, you might be telling the truth but feel the need to fet drunk to forget about your boss.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 15, 2017, 01:41:05 AM
Quote from: fencerider on February 11, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
Which one appears to be more drunk? But then again, if you're working for Trump, you might be telling the truth but feel the need to fet drunk to forget about your boss.

If you see a bear, you might or might not be sober.  There ARE bears, after all.  If you see a unicorn, you most assuredly are not.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on February 24, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
I think the President using Twitter is brilliant.  I would prefer a bar room brawler to a gentleman any day.

He's bypassing the media and talking directly to the people.  That rather annoys the media.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 24, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Well, I expect calling the media "the enemy of the American people" would annoy the media, too.

That's just downright scary!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on February 24, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 24, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Well, I expect calling the media "the enemy of the American people" would annoy the media, too.

That's just downright scary!


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/trump-calls-the-news-media-the-enemy-of-the-people.html?_r=0

The FAKE NEWS media.... 




Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 24, 2017, 07:31:33 AM
He's bypassing the media and talking directly to the people.  That rather annoys the media.
And he has no filters, so the public is getting the bullshit direct from the ... source.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sorginak on February 24, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
What I think of Trump is that he is a spoiled child who will destroy the country in getting what he wants rather than making it a better place for everyone.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 24, 2017, 06:18:38 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
And he has no filters, so the public is getting the bullshit direct from the ... source.
Plus, con-men do better one-on-one.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: chill98 on February 24, 2017, 06:30:18 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 24, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Well, I expect calling the media "the enemy of the American people" would annoy the media, too.

That's just downright scary!
Like "what happened in Sweden last night"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sorginak on February 24, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Regarding Trump referring to "fake news" just makes me think of him as America's Hitler.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:36:23 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on February 24, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Regarding Trump referring to "fake news" just makes me think of him as America's Hitler.

Just what Comrade Stalin said ... just can't make a non-aggression pact with those Americans!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 24, 2017, 04:01:40 PM
Well, I expect calling the media "the enemy of the American people" would annoy the media, too.

That's just downright scary!

Hope he pulls the corporate charter of CNN etc, and cancels their very existence.  Execution of corporate "persons" by firing squad (of pens, pencils whatever it takes to cancel their corporate charter).  Of course we should liquidate Fox News too.  Kill one D MSM for each R MSM we kill.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:39:20 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
And he has no filters, so the public is getting the bullshit direct from the ... source.

Just the way I like it.  Having the shit filtered first by English major dropouts is so ... useless.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Sorginak on February 24, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
What I think of Trump is that he is a spoiled child who will destroy the country in getting what he wants rather than making it a better place for everyone.

Don't worry, France wants Obama to be their President, you can move there at a snail's pace.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: chill98 on February 24, 2017, 06:30:18 PM
Like "what happened in Sweden last night"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw

According to Swedish and German politicians, all named Sgt Schultz, we saw nothing, nothing ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q

TV turned into reality, but reality turned into TV ... 1960s sitcom TV.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
Hope he pulls the corporate charter of CNN etc, and cancels their very existence.  Execution of corporate "persons" by firing squad (of pens, pencils whatever it takes to cancel their corporate charter).  Of course we should liquidate Fox News too.  Kill one D MSM for each R MSM we kill.
You say any stupid shit that come up, don't you?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2017, 08:44:25 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 24, 2017, 08:33:14 PM
You say any stupid shit that come up, don't you?

Aren't you mad as hell yet, are you still going to take it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Munch on February 25, 2017, 02:55:40 PM
(http://cdn.pinknews.co.uk/images/2017/02/troll1.jpg)

Pleasant dreams tonight >:)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 03:11:18 PM
It looks to me like Chump and his cronies, the G.O.P., are trying to destroy the entire first amendment.

QuoteCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
This will go.




Quoteor abridging the freedom of speech,
This will go.






Quoteor of the press;
This will go.






Quoteor the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
This will go.






Quoteand to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
And this will go.



After that, I expect other amendments to be more easily done away with, as well.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 03:39:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwfaeAOogZI




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwbacadgBgc
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 25, 2017, 04:24:24 PM
Okay, this is entertaining, especially as I am not only a former Christian but a former Wiccan: there is to be a monthly spell cast until Asshole is out of office.  Cue Christians (who had no problem praying the same against Obama) to flip their shit (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39090334).  XD
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Haha ... Trump is so scary it is making atheists religious (no atheists in Faux News holes?).

Unbeliever - prior years, polls show that the American people want to get rid of the Bill of Rights ... they just disagree on what parts to drop ;-(
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 25, 2017, 04:38:46 PM
Quote#magicresistance.
Catchy, but kinda misleading since that term normally refers to the likelihood of the target to not be affected by a spell.

QuoteThe development has sparked fury among Christian conservatives, who have accused the witches of "declaring spiritual war".
Gotta hand it to the conservatives for being dumb enough to take magic seriously.

Quote"Their bippity-boppity-boo isn't more powerful than the name of Jesus!" he declared in an online video.
Impending magic-off?  I feel like atheists would be a natural choice for referee.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 04:41:12 PM
An Officially Christian America Sounds Just Right To Most Republicans (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/republicans-christian-america_n_6754032.html)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 04:48:26 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 04:41:12 PM
An Officially Christian America Sounds Just Right To Most Republicans (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/republicans-christian-america_n_6754032.html)

Rethugs have thought this since they sold their souls to the Evangelical devils, back in the 80s.  They don't know what communion wafer they are biting on.  The only way to do this is to become Roman Catholic (Protestants are heretics) ... and to have the whole thing policed by the Jesuits and Dominicans.  But nobody ever expects ... dududuh ... the Spanish Inquisition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqreRufrkxM
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 04:52:55 PM
Maybe no one expects the Spanish Inquisition, but I expect an American inquisition soon.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 04:52:55 PM
Maybe no one expects the Spanish Inquisition, but I expect an American inquisition soon.

Where have you been Senator McCarthy?  And he wasn't the first.  President John Adams started this, with the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.  Reinforced by President Wilson with the Sedition Act of 1918.  Those have never been repealed.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Yes, there is precedent for this president to do whatever he can get away with - which will be whatever he wants to do. It remains to be seen how far he and his G.O.P. cronies can go.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Yes, there is precedent for this president to do whatever he can get away with - which will be whatever he wants to do. It remains to be seen how far he and his G.O.P. cronies can go.

Cronies?  Does the RNC dog wag the Trump tail or vice versa?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
It's a long term conspiracy to get rid of all of our constitutional protections.

I hope I'll never be able to tell you that "I told you so." I really hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm not.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2017, 05:22:34 PM
It's a long term conspiracy to get rid of all of our constitutional protections.

I hope I'll never be able to tell you that "I told you so." I really hope I'm wrong, but fear I'm not.

The American people are doomed, I tell you!  iPod people, thanks Apple ;-(

I am not expecting good things from the RNC nor from Trump.  Now we will never know what Hillary and the Hillarybots would have done, and that is a good thing.  I can only manage one dystopia at a time.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 25, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 25, 2017, 04:38:46 PM
Impending magic-off?  I feel like atheists would be a natural choice for referee.
I was thinking more or less the same thing.  Although I'll admit up front I would be biased towards the Wiccans, so I probably wouldn't be the best ref.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2017, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: trdsf on February 25, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
I was thinking more or less the same thing.  Although I'll admit up front I would be biased towards the Wiccans, so I probably wouldn't be the best ref.

It would be fine with me if you turned the Ds into toads, and the Rs into snakes.  Turn the Is (and me) into unicorns please.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on February 26, 2017, 01:16:21 AM
Trump has a little magic spell called Twitter. Every time he casts a Twitter spell people jump. Some are pleased and some say ouch!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
How do I feel about Trump as President?  Well, if completely natural events (and I emphasize that) caused his and Pence's demise, I would dance a little jig of happiness.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
How do I feel about Trump as President?  Well, if completely natural events (and I emphasize that) caused his and Pence's demise, I would dance a little jig of happiness.

If Zeus sent lightning bolts to fry the Bush family and the Clinton family, I would sacrifice a goat to Zeus.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2017, 08:51:34 AM
If Zeus sent lightning bolts to fry the Bush family and the Clinton family, I would sacrifice a goat to Zeus.

I MIGHT offer you a match to start the fire.  Could we throw the Trumps on it?

2 matches if Batton is the fatwood...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: SGOS on February 26, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
I find Trump's labeling of the media as "the enemy of the people" and his subsequent boycott oddly chilling.  I'm not a fan of mainstream media, but "enemy of the people" is an extraordinary claim, and reminiscent of infamously undemocratic regimes.  Also, Trump's comment about inheriting a mess is perplexing.  I agree it's a mess.  We are the United States.  We have been a mess for most of my life.  Supposedly, the job of the president would be to fix the mess, or at a minimum, not make it worse.  But whining about it is probably not the best approach to the problem.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 09:31:55 AM
Quote from: SGOS on February 26, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
I find Trump's labeling of the media as "the enemy of the people" and his subsequent boycott oddly chilling.  I'm not a fan of mainstream media, but "enemy of the people" is an extraordinary claim, and reminiscent of infamously undemocratic regimes.  Also, Trump's comment about inheriting a mess is perplexing.  I agree it's a mess.  We are the United States.  We have been a mess for most of my life.  Supposedly, the job of the president would be to fix the mess, or at a minimum, not make it worse.  But whining about it is probably not the best approach to the problem.

Thank you.  The routine first action of any wannabe dictator is to attempt to diminish the respect of the free press.  The next is to start making citizens suspicious of reports of governmental actions.  Trump and his spokespeople are working on both.

I'm not saying that Trump and his spokespeople are deliberately seeking a dictatorship, but they might find it convenient for their own purposes to be moving in that direction.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 26, 2017, 06:38:31 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 09:31:55 AM
I'm not saying that Trump and his spokespeople are deliberately seeking a dictatorship, but they might find it convenient for their own purposes to be moving in that direction.
I don't know about deliberately, but they don't seem to mind taking steps in that direction.

And don't forget the infamous quote from Dubya (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html): " If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."  It's a line of thinking that's clearly embedded in the modern party -- and no, Baruch, unless you can come up with a modern American Democratic president saying essentially the same thing, you may not claim that it's both parties and they're all the same like you always do.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: SGOS on February 26, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
I find Trump's labeling of the media as "the enemy of the people" and his subsequent boycott oddly chilling.  I'm not a fan of mainstream media, but "enemy of the people" is an extraordinary claim, and reminiscent of infamously undemocratic regimes.
Yeah, it's disturbing to me and I'm used to this American politics circus.  I can't imagine what that looks like from the vantage point of a citizen of our close allies.

QuoteAlso, Trump's comment about inheriting a mess is perplexing.  I agree it's a mess.  We are the United States.  We have been a mess for most of my life.  Supposedly, the job of the president would be to fix the mess, or at a minimum, not make it worse.  But whining about it is probably not the best approach to the problem.
It's a lot less of a mess than when Obama took office.  Two major military conflicts with lots of boots on the ground and an economy in the toilet.  Trump was handed a veritable bouquet of roses in comparison.  But as always, we do have significant problems that remain unsatisfactory addressed (healthcare, energy/environmental policy, criminal justice, drug policy, abortion rights, LGBT rights, and last but certainly not least, corruption issues)

And of course, what Trump considers problems and actual problems don't coincide very often.  Lots of type 1 errors (imagined problems e.g. milllions of illegals voting for Clinton) and type 2 errors (thinking that things are okay that aren't.  e.g. energy/environmental policy)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2017, 08:23:33 PM
Quote from: SGOS on February 26, 2017, 09:20:08 AM
I find Trump's labeling of the media as "the enemy of the people" and his subsequent boycott oddly chilling.  I'm not a fan of mainstream media, but "enemy of the people" is an extraordinary claim, and reminiscent of infamously undemocratic regimes.  Also, Trump's comment about inheriting a mess is perplexing.  I agree it's a mess.  We are the United States.  We have been a mess for most of my life.  Supposedly, the job of the president would be to fix the mess, or at a minimum, not make it worse.  But whining about it is probably not the best approach to the problem.

It should be chilling.  The US has been undemocratic since the coup of 1787.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2017, 08:25:13 PM
Quote from: trdsf on February 26, 2017, 06:38:31 PM
I don't know about deliberately, but they don't seem to mind taking steps in that direction.

And don't forget the infamous quote from Dubya (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0012/18/nd.01.html): " If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."  It's a line of thinking that's clearly embedded in the modern party -- and no, Baruch, unless you can come up with a modern American Democratic president saying essentially the same thing, you may not claim that it's both parties and they're all the same like you always do.

Dubya didn't screw interns.  He at least was a gentleman, stupid ... but a gentleman.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 26, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
President Trump’s budget outline calls for a surge in military spending and sharp cuts to nondefense agencies, including the E.P.A.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:02 PM EST
President Trump will instruct federal agencies on Monday to assemble a budget for the coming fiscal year that would include sharp increases in Defense Department spending; major cuts to other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency; and no reductions to the largest entitlement programs, Social Security and Medicare, according to four senior administration officials.
The outline, drafted by Office of Management and Budget director, Mick Mulvaney, is the first volley to the federal agencies.
Read more » (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/us/politics/trump-budget.html?emc=edit_na_20170226&nl=breaking-news&nlid=60854848&ref=cta)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
I always find it odd that Republicans are so eager to cut federal spending but also so gung ho on feeding the military-industrial war machine.   Do they actually want a lean government?  Cause the words and actions aren't lining up.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: trdsf on February 27, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
I always find it odd that Republicans are so eager to cut federal spending but also so gung ho on feeding the military-industrial war machine.   Do they actually want a lean government?  Cause the words and actions aren't lining up.
It never has.  That's kind of the whole point.  Republicans always promise their base everything, then fuck them over as soon as they have the chance.

George Dumbass Bush swore that he was going to be the "pro-life" (HAH!  Look at his record on the death penalty and try that line again!) president, and did fuck-all for the Talebangelicals even when he had a GOP House and Senate both.  The closest he got was coming down on stem cell research.  He never did anything more than piss and moan about abortions, and trim funding at the edges.  He made no serious effort to do anything about Roe v Wade.  Even the wingnuts have actually noticed that little fact (http://prolifeprofiles.com/george-w-bush-abortion).

So yeah.  Words and actions have traditionally been two completely different things to Republicans.  Democrats aren't guiltless here, but they haven't been so blatantly and vastly hypocritical as the GOP.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 06:40:34 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
I always find it odd that Republicans are so eager to cut federal spending but also so gung ho on feeding the military-industrial war machine.   Do they actually want a lean government?  Cause the words and actions aren't lining up.

Republicans always lie.  So who knows what they want, when the claim some policy direction.  And yes, similar yet different the Democrats are.  It is all smoke filled rooms of plutocrats, all the way down.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 06:42:53 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 26, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
President Trump’s budget outline calls for a surge in military spending and sharp cuts to nondefense agencies, including the E.P.A.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:02 PM EST
President Trump will instruct federal agencies on Monday to assemble a budget for the coming fiscal year that would include sharp increases in Defense Department spending; major cuts to other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency; and no reductions to the largest entitlement programs, Social Security and Medicare, according to four senior administration officials.
The outline, drafted by Office of Management and Budget director, Mick Mulvaney, is the first volley to the federal agencies.
Read more » (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/us/politics/trump-budget.html?emc=edit_na_20170226&nl=breaking-news&nlid=60854848&ref=cta)

Yep, looks ugly.  Right butt cheek or Left butt cheek.  And don't think Republicans are pro DoD ... because they are actually anti-VA.  They like wars, but not the veterans it produces.  War profiteering.  Evil.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: trdsf on February 27, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
It never has.  That's kind of the whole point.  Republicans always promise their base everything, then fuck them over as soon as they have the chance.

George Dumbass Bush swore that he was going to be the "pro-life" (HAH!  Look at his record on the death penalty and try that line again!) president, and did fuck-all for the Talebangelicals even when he had a GOP House and Senate both.  The closest he got was coming down on stem cell research.  He never did anything more than piss and moan about abortions, and trim funding at the edges.  He made no serious effort to do anything about Roe v Wade.  Even the wingnuts have actually noticed that little fact (http://prolifeprofiles.com/george-w-bush-abortion).

So yeah.  Words and actions have traditionally been two completely different things to Republicans.  Democrats aren't guiltless here, but they haven't been so blatantly and vastly hypocritical as the GOP.

Tossing bones to the political dogs.  Shameless they are.  Like the Slave Party giving the African-Americans no choice but to vote for them (and the Lincoln party being maximally un-Lincoln).
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Snowblo on February 27, 2017, 06:52:29 AM
He has some good points. But i wish you could have a socialist who is anti terrorist and border control and stuff while helping people overseas like refugees in the best way possible atleast.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 07:03:49 AM
Quote from: Snowblo on February 27, 2017, 06:52:29 AM
He has some good points. But i wish you could have a socialist who is anti terrorist and border control and stuff while helping people overseas like refugees in the best way possible atleast.

Your politics is more interesting than your bigotry.  But the current crop of Millenial SJWs are a mess.  You would be a minority among a minority with your position.  Actually not too different from my own position ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 27, 2017, 10:05:23 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 10:33:29 PM
I always find it odd that Republicans are so eager to cut federal spending but also so gung ho on feeding the military-industrial war machine.   Do they actually want a lean government?  Cause the words and actions aren't lining up.
They are in favor of spending that supports their benefactors. This is what Ike warned us about.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 27, 2017, 10:06:44 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 06:42:53 AM
Yep, looks ugly.  Right butt cheek or Left butt cheek.  And don't think Republicans are pro DoD ... because they are actually anti-VA.  They like wars, but not the veterans it produces.  War profiteering.  Evil.
You aren't making sense again. Pro-DoD doesn't mean pro-veteran. We're as discardable as the embryos they think so much of once they're born.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
I prefer to produce fewer veterans, but my fellow Americans don't agree.  They love war, as long as it happens to someone else.  Evil.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sorginak on February 28, 2017, 05:01:32 PM
His adult sons are spending taxpayer money on vacationing, but that's just fake news right?
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
Quote from: trdsf on February 25, 2017, 07:11:27 PM
I was thinking more or less the same thing.  Although I'll admit up front I would be biased towards the Wiccans, so I probably wouldn't be the best ref.
I think James Randi would be the guy; or maybe Penn & Teller.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sorginak on February 28, 2017, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 27, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
I prefer to produce fewer veterans, but my fellow Americans don't agree.  They love war, as long as it happens to someone else.  Evil.

War is evil, but Republicans love it because it generates money for the one percent.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:10:02 PM
Quote from: fencerider on February 26, 2017, 01:16:21 AM
Trump has a little magic spell called Twitter. Every time he casts a Twitter spell people jump. Some are pleased and some say ouch!
Yeah, he's the Twit-in Chief, all right...I've never seen a bigger twit than him in office, and I'm 60 years old! I remember Dan (the potato[e]) Quayle!
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 28, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
I see he ran out of handwavium before he got a replacement for the ACA on paper. :lol:
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
How do I feel about Trump as President?  Well, if completely natural events (and I emphasize that) caused his and Pence's demise, I would dance a little jig of happiness.
Quote from: Mark Twain? Clarence Darrow? Overland Monthly? Anonymous?
I Have Never Killed Any One, But I Have Read Some Obituary Notices with Great Satisfaction


Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 09:31:55 AM
I'm not saying that Trump and his spokespeople are deliberately seeking a dictatorship,
I'm afraid that's exactly what their agenda is - though accomplishing same is an entirely different fish. But they may destroy America in the process of failing to achieve their agenda. That's what really scares me, that they'll go to ANY lengths to get all the power.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Sorginak on February 28, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
That's what really scares me, that they'll go to ANY lengths to get all the power.

Especially considering that Trump has the mentality of a spoiled child who must get his way or else. 
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:21:54 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 26, 2017, 10:07:22 PM
President Trump’s budget outline calls for a surge in military spending and sharp cuts to nondefense agencies, including the E.P.A.
Sunday, February 26, 2017 7:02 PM EST
President Trump will instruct federal agencies on Monday to assemble a budget for the coming fiscal year that would include sharp increases in Defense Department spending; major cuts to other agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency; and no reductions to the largest entitlement programs, Social Security and Medicare, according to four senior administration officials.
The outline, drafted by Office of Management and Budget director, Mick Mulvaney, is the first volley to the federal agencies.
Read more » (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/us/politics/trump-budget.html?emc=edit_na_20170226&nl=breaking-news&nlid=60854848&ref=cta)
Yeah, I heard about this, and he wants to increase the size and capability of our "nookyuler" forces...my bet is that they'll be used sometime in the near future.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
Quote from: trdsf on February 27, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
It never has.  That's kind of the whole point.  Republicans always promise their base everything, then fuck them over as soon as they have the chance.

George Dumbass Bush swore that he was going to be the "pro-life" (HAH!  Look at his record on the death penalty and try that line again!) president, and did fuck-all for the Talebangelicals even when he had a GOP House and Senate both.  The closest he got was coming down on stem cell research.  He never did anything more than piss and moan about abortions, and trim funding at the edges.  He made no serious effort to do anything about Roe v Wade.  Even the wingnuts have actually noticed that little fact (http://prolifeprofiles.com/george-w-bush-abortion).

So yeah.  Words and actions have traditionally been two completely different things to Republicans.  Democrats aren't guiltless here, but they haven't been so blatantly and vastly hypocritical as the GOP.
I doubt the G.O.P. wants to really do away with Roe v. Wade, since it's one of their best hot-button issues, one that really stirs up their base. Though maybe they can invent some different issues with which to infuriate their base...
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2017, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on February 28, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
I see he ran out of handwavium before he got a replacement for the ACA on paper. :lol:

Congressional Republicans finally realized that ACA was a Republican plan after all.  But it is still spiraling into failure month by month.  It will auger in if they don't fix it, and there is no way to fix it, that will gather more votes ... so auger in it will.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Hydra009 on February 28, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:26:14 PM
I doubt the G.O.P. wants to really do away with Roe v. Wade, since it's one of their best hot-button issues, one that really stirs up their base. Though maybe they can invent some different issues with which to infuriate their base...
They got people to scream in front of Target stores last year.  Whipping morons into a frenzy is not difficult for them.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Atheon on February 28, 2017, 10:33:09 PM
Worst president in US history.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on February 28, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
DonRump just made a speech to Congress 2/28 6pm. said ge's gonna cut FDA regulation. seriously? I heard the FDA is so corrupt that an audit would probably get 50% of them fired. They already approve drugs that kill people in the name of profits and now he wants more??? This dude is so stupid that he has no idea the level of brain-washing that has been put in his head.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: fencerider on February 28, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
DonRump just made a speech to Congress 2/28 6pm. said ge's gonna cut FDA regulation. seriously? I heard the FDA is so corrupt that an audit would probably get 50% of them fired. They already approve drugs that kill people in the name of profits and now he wants more??? This dude is so stupid that he has no idea the level of brain-washing that has been put in his head.

Yep, the President is just as ignorant as the people he is governing.  And yes, all drugs, including aspirin, should be banned as harmful.  That solves the "drug expense" problem.  But y'all think Obama and Hillary are geniuses.  Just because they agree with you ;-)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 05:19:07 AM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2017, 05:16:46 PM
I'm afraid that's exactly what their agenda is - though accomplishing same is an entirely different fish. But they may destroy America in the process of failing to achieve their agenda. That's what really scares me, that they'll go to ANY lengths to get all the power.

The US was destroyed already, in 1865.  It deserved to die.  Been in a zombie state ever since.  Per the gothic movie, Lincoln was a vampire hunter, not a zombie slayer.  But Lincoln was a zombie maker.  That is why the US, ever since, has been in search of brains.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Unbeliever on March 01, 2017, 05:03:19 PM
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2017, 05:17:28 AM
Yep, the President is just as ignorant as the people he is governing.  And yes, all drugs, including aspirin, should be banned as harmful.

Could be, which is why I haven't taken so much as an aspirin for about 10 years or so. I don't take any pharmaceutical drugs. Haven't seen a doctor for about 15 years, when I got drunk and hurt my leg, and had to get it sewed up. I'm not getting any younger, though, so I don't know how much longer I can do without medical care.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cocoa Beware on March 02, 2017, 12:21:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/yc9yL1D.png)
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: fencerider on March 02, 2017, 12:51:45 AM
nah Hillary was an old worn out sock. Obama got his 2terms.

Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John Cassic all better choices than Trump. hell even Herman Cain gots more brains then that Trump guy.

The regs are meant to protect the people from the wealthy. If the wall st ceos are the ones complaining about regs, i think they are doing their job. and making things easier for the job creators is another trip around the trickle down economic trash can. Sorry but the joke about trickle down economics actually working stopped being funny at least 15 years ago.
Title: Re: How do you feel about the new president of USA?
Post by: Cavebear on March 02, 2017, 04:39:41 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 26, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
Yeah, it's disturbing to me and I'm used to this American politics circus.  I can't imagine what that looks like from the vantage point of a citizen of our close allies.
It's a lot less of a mess than when Obama took office.  Two major military conflicts with lots of boots on the ground and an economy in the toilet.  Trump was handed a veritable bouquet of roses in comparison.  But as always, we do have significant problems that remain unsatisfactory addressed (healthcare, energy/environmental policy, criminal justice, drug policy, abortion rights, LGBT rights, and last but certainly not least, corruption issues)

And of course, what Trump considers problems and actual problems don't coincide very often.  Lots of type 1 errors (imagined problems e.g. milllions of illegals voting for Clinton) and type 2 errors (thinking that things are okay that aren't.  e.g. energy/environmental policy)

Trump (and the Republicans) should be grateful to Obama. The economy is rippingly good after the  didater of Bush Jr years and that's not anything the Repubs did...